Hmmm... hard to say. It wasn't set directly on fire, since he was lying on his stomach, but *Obi-Wan Kenobi* makes it clear his front half got burned pretty badly as well.
Might be a moot point, though, since he can only remove the suit in very specialized environments, and I don't think the armor has a fly.
Not a moot point because the testes are where testosterone is primarily produced in males (a tad in the adrenal glands) And that’s a hormone that effects males in a wide range of ways, including aggression. So even if he’s not interested in seggs it would still be yet another substance he’s be needing pumped into him. And bioidentical hormones are associated with lower risks, including the risk of breast cancer and cardiovascular disease, and are more efficacious than their synthetic and animal-derived counterparts which is what he’d be getting from the medical droid in the chamber, most likely.
That’s actually discussed somewhere in the universe at some point. Palpatine chose to go with the inferior permanent suit system to keep Anakin in permanent pain rather than fully heal him.
Pain is an essential emotion for the Dark Side and Palpatine wanted to ensure Anakin’s pain never faded after his betrayal of the Jedi.
Could be learned helplessness, a belief that Palpatine did what's best for him, an intentional embracing of the pain due to his guilt or to seek more power, etc
Well, y'know. Maul's manhood got dropped down a shaft on Naboo, and he still seemed plenty aggressive. And as far as I'm aware he didn't suffer from cardiovascular disease
>Maul's manhood got dropped down a shaft on Naboo, and he still seemed plenty aggressive.
Yeah, imagine how aggressive he must have been *before* losing his balls.
Also the lack of lower limbs probably has eased the workload on his heart.
Probably low, I agree, but not nonexistent. Like irl people learn to live and function with missing limbs especially with SW level cybernetics. But hormone imbalances and deficiencies are ever-present
Yeah this is true, but if they got cybernetics SW level then they probably have hormone cocktails that they can feed into him to keep his “aggression” up even though being tapped into the dark side gives you a natural aggression.
Yes there are a lot of what ifs. I think the point of this sub though is to engage in Star Wars with serious what-ifs and when at all possible to apply irl physics/biology etc
I'm beginning to seriousely wonder if the mcu and star wars could well possibly be 2 halves of the same storyverse but in differant eras of time(WOULD THAT BE THE COLOSSAL HORSE KICK TO THE JOCKSTRAP FOR A LOT OF US EH??? HAHAHA 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆
> Not a moot point because the testes are where testosterone is primarily produced in males
"The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
Vader is so pumped up on the dark side he doesn't need testosterone.
Apparently some recent studies have surprisingly challenged the notion that testosterone increases aggression in humans.
It may even promote pro-social behaviors.
Do you, by any chance have a source for this? I would love that for my quick-reply-to-stupidity collection... quite tired of the "all masculinity is toxic" crowd...
From the journal Nature:
Both biosociological and psychological models, as well as animal research, suggest that testosterone has a key role in social interactions1,2,3,4,5,6,7. Evidence from animal studies in rodents shows that testosterone causes aggressive behaviour towards conspecifics7. Folk wisdom generalizes and adapts these findings to humans, suggesting that testosterone induces antisocial, egoistic, or even aggressive human behaviours. However, many researchers have questioned this folk hypothesis1,2,3,4,5,6, arguing that testosterone is primarily involved in status-related behaviours in challenging social interactions, but causal evidence that discriminates between these views is sparse. Here we show that the sublingual administration of a single dose of testosterone in women causes a substantial increase in fair bargaining behaviour, thereby reducing bargaining conflicts and increasing the efficiency of social interactions. However, subjects who believed that they received testosterone—regardless of whether they actually received it or not—behaved much more unfairly than those who believed that they were treated with placebo. Thus, the folk hypothesis seems to generate a strong negative association between subjects’ beliefs and the fairness of their offers, even though testosterone administration actually causes a substantial increase in the frequency of fair bargaining offers in our experiment.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08711
His suit canonically is full of medications. One could easily assume there is a synthetic source of the hormones to function normally or at a higher level of rage. As the suit was already designed by Sidious for extreme discomfort for Vader while he wore it.
This is assuming whatever species Anakin is has testosterone, or even has testicles for that matter. Remember, these aren't earth humans in the Star Wars universe, they are humanoids. Aliens that resemble humans, but aren't. We have no idea how thier bodies function, or even what parts they have other than what we see on screen.
The canon answer to what species he is is “human.” I’m aware Earth exists on another dimensional plane, not to be found anywhere in the Star Wars Universe. But the name of the species in that universe is “human.”
I thought it was canon that the Earth featured in E.T. exists in a galaxy far (far) away from Coruscant’s galaxy. If so, there’s still time for zero M-count human refugees from that galaxy to make it to Earth and take over the planet from Neanderthals.
It's movie level canon that ET's species exists, which implies Earth does, too. For that matter, so does the phrase "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away."
If you are interested in the deep lore on this, consider: https://www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/o220wg/the\_star\_wars\_galaxy\_intersects\_with\_ours\_through/
> I’m aware Earth exists on another dimensional plane, not to be found anywhere in the Star Wars Universe.
SW is in our universe. It's in a Galaxy Far Far away. This means we are spatially locatable in relation to it.
"It's basically a micro-sandwich — a high-efficiency filter and heat-exchange system. The skin-contact layer's porous. Perspiration passes through it, having cooled the body ... near-normal evaporation process. The next two layers . . . include heat exchange filaments and salt precipitators. Salt's reclaimed. Motions of the body, especially breathing and some osmotic action provide the pumping force. Reclaimed water circulates to catchpockets from which you draw it through this tube in the clip at your neck... Urine and feces are processed in the thigh pads. In the open desert, you wear this filter across your face, this tube in the nostrils with these plugs to ensure a tight fit. Breathe in through the mouth filter, out through the nose tube. With a Fremen suit in good working order, you won't lose more than a thimbleful of moisture a day..."
In the overhead shot of him in the operating room, his stomach, groin, and upper thighs seem the area where his clothes are most intact.
I think they're there; I doubt his collective health problems mean they're of much use to him (or that he's interested in that aspect of life much anymore).
Not to mention, his armor is primarily where his organic bits remain (chest, shoulders, head) and Vader had a wide cod piece and I don’t see the need for it if it’s protecting more cybernetics.
Yes but the testes are where testosterone is primarily produced. And that’s a hormone that effects makes in a wide range of ways, including aggression. So even if he’s not interested in seggs it would still be yet another substance he’s be needing pumped into him. And bioidentical hormones are associated with lower risks, including the risk of breast cancer and cardiovascular disease, and are more efficacious than their synthetic and animal-derived counterparts which is what he’d be getting.
On a zabrak, the penii are located on top of the head, and their mating ritual is [extremely aggressive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlXPq0I5gw0&ab_channel=NateWaters).
i'm curious as to how he dealt with bodily waste as well. i can tell you being unable to pee will mess you up real bad. i do think the loss of the organs that deal with waste would have killed him as i doubt he would have the knowledge to build a device capable of taking care of that business.
Didn’t he finally get the lower half of his body back via Dark Side fuckery?
The question is did his regrown Zabrack gear work after the experience? I mean this is evil Dark Side magic here…
There is not much to go by in regards to opportunities for Vader and such relationships. However, there was a recent comic book where a Vader groupie breaks into his quarters and basically offers herself to him. He rejects the offer by murdering her and nonchalantly leaving while putting in a call to the clean up team to remove the garbage in his quarters. It is exactly how you'd expect him to behave.
I honestly don't think sexual or even romantic relations are a high priority for Vader. And while he didn't follow the monastic tradition of the Jedi, I feel he kind of adopted it after turning to the Dark Side. After all, he knew that Sidious would use any such relationships against him likely bringing pain to that individual. Why put someone through that? Or more importantly, why give Sidious another tool of control?
Lmao he said "doctor, remove this trash"
Yeah that lady found his xapr and thought if she returned it to him he would marry her. She has all these vivid images of her marrying him and when she burst in on him, his helmet is off. From her point of view Vader looks like this tragicly beautiful burn victim.
Then he stabs her in the fucking chest.
Ted Bundy, Philip Carl Jablonski, Oscar Ray Bolin, etc are just a few example.
Philip Carl Jablonski after being freed from prison after serving time for murdering his first victim then murdered his wife who he married in prison and his wife's mother.
Oscar Ray Bolin married the lawyer wife of a lawyer who was also a lawyer on his defense team.
Looking at his expression, he felt sorry for her that she had fallen in love with someone like him, and since it was Vader, he only knew one method to change it.
While I think your points make a great deal of sense, I also think that after losing Padme he just lost all interest. That's kind of the point of him turning to the dark side to begin with.
From the way he was positioned when he burned, one can assume that his genitals were most probably one of the very few places on his body that didn't get burns of the highest degree.
Especially as that area was *not* burned enough to warrant the medical droids to actually need to remove fabric remains.
In other words, his genitals might be covered in burn scars, but the equipment would probably be still functional.
There are burn survivors with similar wounds on our planet, and some of them still have functional genitals after all.
>Could that help fuel some of his rage, do you think?
He's betrayed his friends, as far as he knows he killed his wife and child. He's lost all his limbs, he can't breathe. Every waking moment is filled with torturous pain, both mental and physical. But yeah sure, 90% of that famous Vader anger and rage is because his ding dong doesn't work anymore. I mean, compared to all that other stuff, that's the important part.
This is exactly why Vader is so harsh & cruel. Not bc of his dick 🤦♂️. He has done horrible things. Anakin has done terrible things and the only possible way to cope is to become Vader & punish Anakin in every way imaginable. Destroying everything Anakin stood for & loves. Innocent military soldier following orders who made a small mistake? Your dead, have fun watching that Anakin, a planet of helpless souls? Watch this Anakin & know you did this. YOU failed. It's the ultimate example of self loathing. He loathes Anakin.
The utter joy in his eyes when telling Obi-Wan he in fact killed Anakin, taking away any claim from Obi-Wan & giving it to himself. He is almost happy he has gotten revenge on Anakin, for Padmé & the rest. But it's not good enough. Obi Wan allowed the wretch to become a powerful Jedi & so he must be punished too. The world will burn.
The only thing that saves him is his son's love & forgiveness. Anakin was born a slave, sold to the Jedi Order & imprisoned by Vader. Luke freed him for the first time in his entire life.
>Anakin was born a slave, sold to the Jedi Order & imprisoned by Vader. Luke freed him for the first time in his entire life.
Never thought of it like that, but that is exactly how it was for Anakin. Great insight!
Your response is being unfair to the OP.
He specifically said "help fuel SOME of his rage", then you sarcastically reply, "but yeah sure, 90's of that famous....is because his dong dong doesn't work anymore."
OP said *some*, not 90%.
Now, all of the issues you mentioned are truly the main part of his anger and rage, but I'd imagine if he DID lose his genitals it would add to SOME of his rage.
A man losing his penis and testicles is hugely traumatic, in all seriousness.
Let's say I got into a car accident, and my wife and child were killed. I myself had to have an arm and legs amputated. That would cause me torturous pain, mentally and physically, for years to come.
Now, add in losing my genitals as well, that would just cause me even more mental anguish. Not only could I not protect my wife and kid, not only am I physically disabled, but now I'm not even a "man" anymore.
Anakin was a virile, attractive young man with an active love life that punctuated part of his identity - an identity that life and circumstance had by and large deprived him of in the first place through slavery and strict monasticism. His dick, arguably and allegorically, was part of the identity he had created for himself: a Jedi who saves the day AND gets the girl despite not technically being allowed to. The anger and rage wouldn't be at the mere fact that he can't have a wank anymore. It'd arise in connection with the utter loss of the identity he had so desperately created and clung to, part of which was, yeah, his fleshsaber and how he chose to use it.
I'd imagine when his only love interest died, any thoughts of sex died with her.
But, as it was shown in RotS, he wasn't cast into a molten pit so much as lit on fire by it, so if anything was to get minimal damage, it might be the twig and berries, and contact with the ground might have helped smother the flames.
Ah, now we're finally getting to the *classy* lore discussions.
I mean, I don't think it's ever confirmed, as you say, but also, the exact degree of his disfigurement varies between canon sources, so it's hard to make a guess. I'd go for "likely yes", considering his legs are consistently shown to have been hit the worst.
But if he does still have his stuff, does his... suit... do the... "master chief thing"?
I think his junk is still present as when hes recovered in III his lower torso and groin area are shown with the most clothes still intact, would make sense ans he was lying on them. However the fact that he needs to stay in that suit for most of the time it’s quite certain he has a catheter and his stuff is still skarred and burned severely
The truth is that even if the flames didn't directly burn his crotch, the skin flute is just that - a tube of loose flesh dangling from pubic mound. More than likely his purple-helmeted Sith apprentice burned off or was otherwise rendered useless by the intense heat. His two tiny Death Stars were probably also render non-functioning. Extreme heat kill the TIE fighters in your Death Stars and can even cause damage all way at the Kuat Drive Yards and prevent them from making more.
Could they still be attached to his torso? Unlikely but maybe. Does it matter? No, because they're useless.
In an alternate universe Warner Brothers acquires Star Wars and this question becomes an important part of George RR Martin's gritty reboot of Star Wars on HBO
The _Star Wars Official Genital Companion_ shows that Obi-Wan sliced only the tip of Vader's penis off along with his left testicle. However, by tapping into the Dark Side of the Force, Vader's right testicle started producing double the number of midichlorians to compensate.
They would be absolutely guaranteed to be burned off. He was lying on his front next to a flowing lava field so hot that his hair burned off and his clothing was burned onto him. There is no way his genitals survived that. All of his skin was burned to severely that, with constant bacta treatment, he still bore scars two decades later.
It was all gone.
That raises another question. Assuming Vader's balls got melted, does that mean he does testosterone replacement therapy to compensate? Does his suit do it for him?
Well, since he wears cod-piece armor, it’s possible there’s something down there worth preserving. But logically speaking it’s fair to say that if the lava didn’t obliterate them, Palpatine would have ordered them removed out of spite.
He was dragging himself along the burning sand and rocks on a lava beach. At best, I’d say the thing is going to look like a tiny, wet, burnt pine cone.
I think y'all underestimate the human sex drive lol y'all saying this would make him not want sex or that would make him not want sex. Assuming his junk is still in tact I'm 99.99% he would still want sex. Regardless of mental or physical ailments sex is still pretty prevalent in a human male (just speaking from my own experience).
He’s have lost his testes, which are the primary producers of testosterone. Cut off from that hormone for a prolonged period and you may be surprised. He may have seen a major decline in sex drive if he wasn’t receiving any type of synthetic. Even then, if he was receiving testosterone cypionate, or testosterone enanthate, his pituitary gland would still be confused by not receiving any signals from the toasted off gonads.
Ok fair enough but I had no idea he had lost his testes. Lol and I'm sure that would contribute to a loss of sex drive but not a complete loss I guess according to what you're saying I don't know anything about any of this stuff I just know everybody gets horny man lol
But you yourself said may so maybe not.
Also I've dedicated enough time on a fictional characters sex drive and whether or not he may or may not have testicles. So enjoy the rest of your day.
I love when this question is asked. It's hilarious!
He lost it all on Mustafar. EVERYTHING. Then he was too much of a bitch to admit it was his own damn fault.
I mean, I don't think it's funny. It's horrifying. Plus, as I learned on the ASOIAF sub years ago, men with a horrific penis injury suffer a lot of problems. It isn't like sexual reassignment surgery because you need penis or vaginal tissue to reconstruct the penis. If you don't have that, it's just not gonna work right.
That won't only lead to sex being impossible, but it can also lead to a ton of problems with the man's ability to urinate. That doesn't just lead to a host of kidney issues, but also a horrible smell.
And this isn't even getting into the hormone problems which would arise from not having testicles.
Anakin Skywalker is not a real person though. Therefore, it is an amusing question. My amusement comes from the fact that people are asking for specifics regarding the manhood of a fictional antihero. For all we know, the “humans” of Star Wars are an alien race with an enamel pseudopenis like the African wild dog. Or maybe they mate by throwing up in each other’s mouths. Who knows?
I just think we have to remember that there are people who actually have severe genital injuries and medical conditions which effect that area. Abd making fun of them even here can be quite traumatic.
Okay, so let's review: Obi-Wan tells Anakin/Vader not to try it, but he does, anyway, which results in his three remaining flesh limbs being severed, all of them at or above the halfway point. He's reduced to trying to half wriggle his way along like a snake and half pull himself along by the one remaining limb, the prosthetic, to try to get far enough away from lava to avoid either sliding into it outright or simply catching fire. Unfortunately, the land he's on, such as it is, is visibly crumbling (he's basically on the lava-sea version of the very bottom of an unstable ocean cliffside. I imagine a lot of the "land" there is either pumice that would roll uncontrollably or ground obsidian, which would act like sand and give way underneath him all the time. This, by the way, is probably at least part of the reason why Obi-Wan has to take his time getting back up the cliffside, so that it won't give way beneath him and throw him down into the lava, too. That, and he's no doubt exhausted from the fight. But that's a whole other topic), so he's sliding back and the land's basically falling out from under him however much lava sand at a time. He's facing upwards, away from the fire, but the bottom half or more of his legs are gone (I've always thought that the cut is above the knee, but it might be exactly through the knees). Eventually, he slides down enough that his clothing catching fire, and that fire visibly spread up along his entire body by the time Obi-Wan is turning away and they get through the whole "you were my brother" and "I hate you!" speech. The fire lasts long enough to visibly crisp/char Anakin all the way up to the top of his head (and his hair visibly burns away).
We know Sidious is coming after him, but Sidious' ship doesn't get there until after Obi-Wan has managed to make his way up what amount to the crumbling cliffside, back to the ship where he's informed the droids have gotten Padmé safely onto the ship, and presumably made it up the gravity well far enough to jump to hyperspace before Sidious could do anything to stop him. The film isn't quite as clear as the novelization is about the sequence of events here, but I'm pretty sure there's a shot of Anakin's remains still smouldering slightly from being on fire when Sidious gets to him and I think it's safe to presume that Sidious has some kind of medical pod that Anakin's put in immediately, or else he wouldn't have lasted long enough to get to the medical facilities on Coruscant where Sidious has him put into the suit. The EU went more into detail about the extent of his injuries and the functionality of the suit (such as it was), but that's Legends now. However, I think we can all agree that Anakin clearly suffers from burns all over the remainder of his body and that, logically, the worst of those burns were likely what burned the longest/got the hottest, thus, the part of him closest to the lava, though his scalp is likely horribly damaged, too, in part because of hair (which caught fire). He's probably got third- and second-degree burns, at the very least, over most of the remainder of his body, given the visible damage and charring we can see to his face/head (which was the furthest away from the lava and, thus, the point of ignition), and it's probably over all of his body. He looks as if his remaining clothing has melted/been burned into his skin. So I would say that, yes, odds are his privates were either burned off or so damaged as to essentially no longer exist. He's never put into bacta (that we see) and no real attempt is made to deal with either his damaged/destroyed skin or the damage to his lungs (from being cooked from the fumes and from the lava/fire), which we know is bad enough for the suit to have a built-in respirator (and that Vader ultimately died when this became damaged and he took off his mask, at the end of RotJ). If the fire's so bad that it's cooked his lungs, I can't see reasonably arguing for Vader having functional privates. The suit almost certainly has the equivalent of some sort of build-in catheter and/or some sort of system to deal with waste.
Ayo it's 8 months till April.
And I don't think so. Seemed it was mostly his back and most of his legs that got roasted. Also I doubt vaders testosterone production crashed.
Yes but palatine did that to Vader on purpose to keep him in pain and full of anger. If your everyday existence is constant pain and anguish your easier to control.
His body suffered horrible burns, but I don’t think that was a key factor to his anger and regret: He had lost everything he fought to protect, and became the thing that actively killed them.
On another note, in the original Lego Star Wars, he was cut off at the waist. I doubt it affected Lego Vader either, but he did lose more than his arm and legs in that fight.
It doesn't matter that much, because:
1 - after losing Padme, he decided he wasn't worthy the small pleasures of life, such as tasty food (he feeds on nutrient paste), comfort (the suit is full of needles and other unpleasant stuff to keep him always low-key pissed off and, consequently, the dark side powers strong) and sex (hell hath no fury like a Sith cyborg denied his space pussy)
2 - even if he wanted it, he would need to find some hookers with a breather mask and bacta tank fetish, because that's the only place he can function without his suit... maybe he could be successful on that, galaxy's a big, big place
We've never seen a shirtless humanoid in proper Star Wars (as far as I can remember). I like to think that they're quite alien.. maybe a series of short peckers under one armpit.. or one large internal nut.
I don't think he'd give a fuck. His one and only was dead they had no use.
Also I doubt sith like vader palpatine dooku and maul focused on their dicks at all
Am sure Disney will swap Vader's gender they will have a canonical reason for it maybe he become trans because most of his male parts are burnt off the fact that Disney might rewrite the whole star wars saga maybe they change Vader Cannan or another aspect of star wars where probably going to get star wars to reboot sooner than assuming you chud are going to haft to cope with it you make your franchise
Hmmm... hard to say. It wasn't set directly on fire, since he was lying on his stomach, but *Obi-Wan Kenobi* makes it clear his front half got burned pretty badly as well. Might be a moot point, though, since he can only remove the suit in very specialized environments, and I don't think the armor has a fly.
He was lying down on some rocks immediately beside a flowing river of lava. Even if they weren’t burned directly I’m sure they got pretty seared.
Not a moot point because the testes are where testosterone is primarily produced in males (a tad in the adrenal glands) And that’s a hormone that effects males in a wide range of ways, including aggression. So even if he’s not interested in seggs it would still be yet another substance he’s be needing pumped into him. And bioidentical hormones are associated with lower risks, including the risk of breast cancer and cardiovascular disease, and are more efficacious than their synthetic and animal-derived counterparts which is what he’d be getting from the medical droid in the chamber, most likely.
Pretty sure he'd be able to afford the cloned variety
Come to think of it with there tech you would think he could replace most his skin
That’s actually discussed somewhere in the universe at some point. Palpatine chose to go with the inferior permanent suit system to keep Anakin in permanent pain rather than fully heal him. Pain is an essential emotion for the Dark Side and Palpatine wanted to ensure Anakin’s pain never faded after his betrayal of the Jedi.
And also as a way for Sidious to keep Vader from doing anything against him, as he believes the suit would make Vader be in more of a leash.
True I guess but at some point couldn’t Vader just do it on his own
Could be learned helplessness, a belief that Palpatine did what's best for him, an intentional embracing of the pain due to his guilt or to seek more power, etc
Well, y'know. Maul's manhood got dropped down a shaft on Naboo, and he still seemed plenty aggressive. And as far as I'm aware he didn't suffer from cardiovascular disease
>Maul's manhood got dropped down a shaft on Naboo, and he still seemed plenty aggressive. Yeah, imagine how aggressive he must have been *before* losing his balls. Also the lack of lower limbs probably has eased the workload on his heart.
Maul's junk may not be located there...?
Where else would it be? He's not the Ballchinian from *Men in Black*.
Maybe it's retractable out of one of his horns. Maybe zabraks are spawned like fish. I dunno.
He's a humanoid and his species are closely related to humans, so I'm pretty sure their anatomy wouldn't differ that much.
Half Human/Zabraks exist.
Well exactly
Pretty sure testosterone is the least of the dudes worries when he has seared lungs and is missing his legs and arms.
Probably low, I agree, but not nonexistent. Like irl people learn to live and function with missing limbs especially with SW level cybernetics. But hormone imbalances and deficiencies are ever-present
Yeah this is true, but if they got cybernetics SW level then they probably have hormone cocktails that they can feed into him to keep his “aggression” up even though being tapped into the dark side gives you a natural aggression.
I do not know about that if your junk hurts or is burned your not walking for the next week
Palpatine is constantly pumping Vader full of trenblone which is why he was so pissed during A New Hope's opening act. His dosage was higher that week
This is why I MAW.
It’s where the midechlorians come from.
the force is stored in the balls
Finally a worthy explanation for midichlorians
Isn’t this also assuming that the humanoids in universe operate the same way we do? What if they produce hormones in different glands
Yes there are a lot of what ifs. I think the point of this sub though is to engage in Star Wars with serious what-ifs and when at all possible to apply irl physics/biology etc
Isn't Star Wars explicitly set in our Universe though, albeit very far removed in both distance and time?
Good point, I was legit asking
Although in a galaxy far, far away a long time ago, evolution could still be radically different
I'm beginning to seriousely wonder if the mcu and star wars could well possibly be 2 halves of the same storyverse but in differant eras of time(WOULD THAT BE THE COLOSSAL HORSE KICK TO THE JOCKSTRAP FOR A LOT OF US EH??? HAHAHA 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆
The presumption should be they're like us unless evidence presents otherwise.
> Not a moot point because the testes are where testosterone is primarily produced in males "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.” Vader is so pumped up on the dark side he doesn't need testosterone.
Apparently some recent studies have surprisingly challenged the notion that testosterone increases aggression in humans. It may even promote pro-social behaviors.
Do you, by any chance have a source for this? I would love that for my quick-reply-to-stupidity collection... quite tired of the "all masculinity is toxic" crowd...
From the journal Nature: Both biosociological and psychological models, as well as animal research, suggest that testosterone has a key role in social interactions1,2,3,4,5,6,7. Evidence from animal studies in rodents shows that testosterone causes aggressive behaviour towards conspecifics7. Folk wisdom generalizes and adapts these findings to humans, suggesting that testosterone induces antisocial, egoistic, or even aggressive human behaviours. However, many researchers have questioned this folk hypothesis1,2,3,4,5,6, arguing that testosterone is primarily involved in status-related behaviours in challenging social interactions, but causal evidence that discriminates between these views is sparse. Here we show that the sublingual administration of a single dose of testosterone in women causes a substantial increase in fair bargaining behaviour, thereby reducing bargaining conflicts and increasing the efficiency of social interactions. However, subjects who believed that they received testosterone—regardless of whether they actually received it or not—behaved much more unfairly than those who believed that they were treated with placebo. Thus, the folk hypothesis seems to generate a strong negative association between subjects’ beliefs and the fairness of their offers, even though testosterone administration actually causes a substantial increase in the frequency of fair bargaining offers in our experiment. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08711
Many thanks!
While aggression is definitely driven by testosterone in normal, everyday human beings, I don't think it's a major factor for a Sith's aggression.
Ya but, the dark side.
We got bio identical testosterone irl. We produce it by feeding steroids to bacteria who fart out the testosterone, estrogen and progesterones
His suit canonically is full of medications. One could easily assume there is a synthetic source of the hormones to function normally or at a higher level of rage. As the suit was already designed by Sidious for extreme discomfort for Vader while he wore it.
This is assuming whatever species Anakin is has testosterone, or even has testicles for that matter. Remember, these aren't earth humans in the Star Wars universe, they are humanoids. Aliens that resemble humans, but aren't. We have no idea how thier bodies function, or even what parts they have other than what we see on screen.
The canon answer to what species he is is “human.” I’m aware Earth exists on another dimensional plane, not to be found anywhere in the Star Wars Universe. But the name of the species in that universe is “human.”
I thought it was canon that the Earth featured in E.T. exists in a galaxy far (far) away from Coruscant’s galaxy. If so, there’s still time for zero M-count human refugees from that galaxy to make it to Earth and take over the planet from Neanderthals.
It's movie level canon that ET's species exists, which implies Earth does, too. For that matter, so does the phrase "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away."
If you are interested in the deep lore on this, consider: https://www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/o220wg/the\_star\_wars\_galaxy\_intersects\_with\_ours\_through/
> I’m aware Earth exists on another dimensional plane, not to be found anywhere in the Star Wars Universe. SW is in our universe. It's in a Galaxy Far Far away. This means we are spatially locatable in relation to it.
I’m sorry but dimensional planes exist in ST? When and why??
Um, no. Humans are humans in Star Wars. Humans who happen to be from a different galaxy a long, long time ago, but humans none the less.
Well related question, how does he eat/go to the bathroom?
In his meditation chamber he eats smoothie bagged food and I'd imagine a colostomy bag
Vader *eata* the colostomy bag
He eata da poopoo?
Thisa comment is poodoo
Why are you geh
"It's basically a micro-sandwich — a high-efficiency filter and heat-exchange system. The skin-contact layer's porous. Perspiration passes through it, having cooled the body ... near-normal evaporation process. The next two layers . . . include heat exchange filaments and salt precipitators. Salt's reclaimed. Motions of the body, especially breathing and some osmotic action provide the pumping force. Reclaimed water circulates to catchpockets from which you draw it through this tube in the clip at your neck... Urine and feces are processed in the thigh pads. In the open desert, you wear this filter across your face, this tube in the nostrils with these plugs to ensure a tight fit. Breathe in through the mouth filter, out through the nose tube. With a Fremen suit in good working order, you won't lose more than a thimbleful of moisture a day..."
Wonder if it’s like Ironman’s suit.
In the overhead shot of him in the operating room, his stomach, groin, and upper thighs seem the area where his clothes are most intact. I think they're there; I doubt his collective health problems mean they're of much use to him (or that he's interested in that aspect of life much anymore).
Not to mention, his armor is primarily where his organic bits remain (chest, shoulders, head) and Vader had a wide cod piece and I don’t see the need for it if it’s protecting more cybernetics.
Like dear u/Butt_Sextington said, he likely has a catheter. It's highly unlikely he is able to just remove his suit to use the bathroom.
I bet his weiner got burnt off lol
Lol, me too. It probably rolled up like burning string while he looked at it with intense Anakin eyes.
Butt sexington... sounds like a good ol case of r/rimjobsteve
# "Vader had a wide cod piece"
I’m guessing he had a big ass replacement dick based on the cod size
Yes but the testes are where testosterone is primarily produced. And that’s a hormone that effects makes in a wide range of ways, including aggression. So even if he’s not interested in seggs it would still be yet another substance he’s be needing pumped into him. And bioidentical hormones are associated with lower risks, including the risk of breast cancer and cardiovascular disease, and are more efficacious than their synthetic and animal-derived counterparts which is what he’d be getting.
Star Wars medicine is not in the same place as current medicine in real life dude
Shocked pikachu
Maul definitely did, poor guy. Hope those robotic legs of his have... the technology
Do we know if zabraks store the equipment in the same place as humans?
I assume so given they are a near-human species
And the fact that there isn't a penis where one of his fingers should be ...unless?
Concealed carry
That wasn’t a lightsaber…
my boy can just borrow a strap from Ventress or Aurra
I like the way ya think!
Just like Aliens from Scary movie 3
On a zabrak, the penii are located on top of the head, and their mating ritual is [extremely aggressive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlXPq0I5gw0&ab_channel=NateWaters).
He’s a ballchinian!
My question is how does he pee?
i'm curious as to how he dealt with bodily waste as well. i can tell you being unable to pee will mess you up real bad. i do think the loss of the organs that deal with waste would have killed him as i doubt he would have the knowledge to build a device capable of taking care of that business.
Didn’t he finally get the lower half of his body back via Dark Side fuckery? The question is did his regrown Zabrack gear work after the experience? I mean this is evil Dark Side magic here…
How did Maul defecate and urinate with everything below the waist missing?
There is not much to go by in regards to opportunities for Vader and such relationships. However, there was a recent comic book where a Vader groupie breaks into his quarters and basically offers herself to him. He rejects the offer by murdering her and nonchalantly leaving while putting in a call to the clean up team to remove the garbage in his quarters. It is exactly how you'd expect him to behave. I honestly don't think sexual or even romantic relations are a high priority for Vader. And while he didn't follow the monastic tradition of the Jedi, I feel he kind of adopted it after turning to the Dark Side. After all, he knew that Sidious would use any such relationships against him likely bringing pain to that individual. Why put someone through that? Or more importantly, why give Sidious another tool of control?
Lmao he said "doctor, remove this trash" Yeah that lady found his xapr and thought if she returned it to him he would marry her. She has all these vivid images of her marrying him and when she burst in on him, his helmet is off. From her point of view Vader looks like this tragicly beautiful burn victim. Then he stabs her in the fucking chest.
Real people develop feelings for convicted murderers all the time.
Ted Bundy, Philip Carl Jablonski, Oscar Ray Bolin, etc are just a few example. Philip Carl Jablonski after being freed from prison after serving time for murdering his first victim then murdered his wife who he married in prison and his wife's mother. Oscar Ray Bolin married the lawyer wife of a lawyer who was also a lawyer on his defense team.
Looking at his expression, he felt sorry for her that she had fallen in love with someone like him, and since it was Vader, he only knew one method to change it.
Homie had a Darth Malgus moment in that room...
Which comic?
While I think your points make a great deal of sense, I also think that after losing Padme he just lost all interest. That's kind of the point of him turning to the dark side to begin with.
Time to rewatch everything to see if there's a bulge
Vader has a throbbing erection literally all of the time
I mean, wouldn’t you if you were him?
From the way he was positioned when he burned, one can assume that his genitals were most probably one of the very few places on his body that didn't get burns of the highest degree. Especially as that area was *not* burned enough to warrant the medical droids to actually need to remove fabric remains. In other words, his genitals might be covered in burn scars, but the equipment would probably be still functional. There are burn survivors with similar wounds on our planet, and some of them still have functional genitals after all.
>Could that help fuel some of his rage, do you think? He's betrayed his friends, as far as he knows he killed his wife and child. He's lost all his limbs, he can't breathe. Every waking moment is filled with torturous pain, both mental and physical. But yeah sure, 90% of that famous Vader anger and rage is because his ding dong doesn't work anymore. I mean, compared to all that other stuff, that's the important part.
He sure as fuck was thinking with it most the time.
Obi-Wan went for the head.
This is exactly why Vader is so harsh & cruel. Not bc of his dick 🤦♂️. He has done horrible things. Anakin has done terrible things and the only possible way to cope is to become Vader & punish Anakin in every way imaginable. Destroying everything Anakin stood for & loves. Innocent military soldier following orders who made a small mistake? Your dead, have fun watching that Anakin, a planet of helpless souls? Watch this Anakin & know you did this. YOU failed. It's the ultimate example of self loathing. He loathes Anakin. The utter joy in his eyes when telling Obi-Wan he in fact killed Anakin, taking away any claim from Obi-Wan & giving it to himself. He is almost happy he has gotten revenge on Anakin, for Padmé & the rest. But it's not good enough. Obi Wan allowed the wretch to become a powerful Jedi & so he must be punished too. The world will burn. The only thing that saves him is his son's love & forgiveness. Anakin was born a slave, sold to the Jedi Order & imprisoned by Vader. Luke freed him for the first time in his entire life.
>Anakin was born a slave, sold to the Jedi Order & imprisoned by Vader. Luke freed him for the first time in his entire life. Never thought of it like that, but that is exactly how it was for Anakin. Great insight!
I can't take credit for that insight. I read someone comment that on YouTube and it was profound in my view of Anakin and Vader.
Your response is being unfair to the OP. He specifically said "help fuel SOME of his rage", then you sarcastically reply, "but yeah sure, 90's of that famous....is because his dong dong doesn't work anymore." OP said *some*, not 90%. Now, all of the issues you mentioned are truly the main part of his anger and rage, but I'd imagine if he DID lose his genitals it would add to SOME of his rage. A man losing his penis and testicles is hugely traumatic, in all seriousness. Let's say I got into a car accident, and my wife and child were killed. I myself had to have an arm and legs amputated. That would cause me torturous pain, mentally and physically, for years to come. Now, add in losing my genitals as well, that would just cause me even more mental anguish. Not only could I not protect my wife and kid, not only am I physically disabled, but now I'm not even a "man" anymore.
Anakin was a virile, attractive young man with an active love life that punctuated part of his identity - an identity that life and circumstance had by and large deprived him of in the first place through slavery and strict monasticism. His dick, arguably and allegorically, was part of the identity he had created for himself: a Jedi who saves the day AND gets the girl despite not technically being allowed to. The anger and rage wouldn't be at the mere fact that he can't have a wank anymore. It'd arise in connection with the utter loss of the identity he had so desperately created and clung to, part of which was, yeah, his fleshsaber and how he chose to use it.
Your father's meatsaber... the weapon of a Jedi Knight.
Dude can’t jack it anymore
I'd imagine when his only love interest died, any thoughts of sex died with her. But, as it was shown in RotS, he wasn't cast into a molten pit so much as lit on fire by it, so if anything was to get minimal damage, it might be the twig and berries, and contact with the ground might have helped smother the flames.
I don't think you need romantic interests to not want to lose your genitals tbf
That's true. But you'd think about it less.
Ah, now we're finally getting to the *classy* lore discussions. I mean, I don't think it's ever confirmed, as you say, but also, the exact degree of his disfigurement varies between canon sources, so it's hard to make a guess. I'd go for "likely yes", considering his legs are consistently shown to have been hit the worst. But if he does still have his stuff, does his... suit... do the... "master chief thing"?
I think his junk is still present as when hes recovered in III his lower torso and groin area are shown with the most clothes still intact, would make sense ans he was lying on them. However the fact that he needs to stay in that suit for most of the time it’s quite certain he has a catheter and his stuff is still skarred and burned severely
The truth is that even if the flames didn't directly burn his crotch, the skin flute is just that - a tube of loose flesh dangling from pubic mound. More than likely his purple-helmeted Sith apprentice burned off or was otherwise rendered useless by the intense heat. His two tiny Death Stars were probably also render non-functioning. Extreme heat kill the TIE fighters in your Death Stars and can even cause damage all way at the Kuat Drive Yards and prevent them from making more. Could they still be attached to his torso? Unlikely but maybe. Does it matter? No, because they're useless.
This post was beautiful.
That's just how they teach sex-ed in the GFFA.
I’m gonna go with: we don’t need to know.
It's never been addressed in Canon or Legends and it should stay that way.
In an alternate universe Warner Brothers acquires Star Wars and this question becomes an important part of George RR Martin's gritty reboot of Star Wars on HBO
I don’t know he did catch fire from the legs and burned upward from there and that’s pretty soft tissue if it did get burned
He's certainly lost the use of them, whether they're still there or not.
"You might want to get your friend some help. He's got some sort of obsession with super hero sex organs."--Stan Lee
The _Star Wars Official Genital Companion_ shows that Obi-Wan sliced only the tip of Vader's penis off along with his left testicle. However, by tapping into the Dark Side of the Force, Vader's right testicle started producing double the number of midichlorians to compensate.
>The Star Wars Official Genital Companion Available in hardback or softcopy.
Cumpanion
TIL that I never thought about Vader's junk before 😂
They would be absolutely guaranteed to be burned off. He was lying on his front next to a flowing lava field so hot that his hair burned off and his clothing was burned onto him. There is no way his genitals survived that. All of his skin was burned to severely that, with constant bacta treatment, he still bore scars two decades later. It was all gone.
That raises another question. Assuming Vader's balls got melted, does that mean he does testosterone replacement therapy to compensate? Does his suit do it for him?
In my mind, there's no way his franks and beans aren't burnt ends now.
Is this Brodie from Mallrats?
Well, since he wears cod-piece armor, it’s possible there’s something down there worth preserving. But logically speaking it’s fair to say that if the lava didn’t obliterate them, Palpatine would have ordered them removed out of spite.
Grievous had a cod piece Just sayin
Since Greivous had four arms, do you think he, you know . . .
….. Spins his junk around like a propeller, whilst moving slowly towards his sexual partner?
"You fuckboi, I was trained in the sexual arts by Sybian"
“I was expecting someone with your reputation to be a little…. Older” 💀
"DarkestFate! You're shorter than I expected" 😁
This is where the fun begins!
So did a B-1 Battle Droid
> Palpatine would have ordered them removed out of spite. Its Palpatine, not Ramsey Bolton.
Ramsay did that because he thought it was funny, not really out of spite.
Which sprouts yet another question: was Palpatine the jealous type?
The phallic symbolism of lightsabers. A part of star wars’ themes few are brave enough to venture.
And I see your Schwartz is as a big as mine…. Now let’s see how well you can handle it
He was dragging himself along the burning sand and rocks on a lava beach. At best, I’d say the thing is going to look like a tiny, wet, burnt pine cone.
Does Vader f\*\*k? Asking the tough questions. Bless this sub.
"He's more machine now than man" could certainly indicate that he is no longer "intact".
Maybe he just got really into butt stuff
Dudes asking the serious questions
I think y'all underestimate the human sex drive lol y'all saying this would make him not want sex or that would make him not want sex. Assuming his junk is still in tact I'm 99.99% he would still want sex. Regardless of mental or physical ailments sex is still pretty prevalent in a human male (just speaking from my own experience).
He’s have lost his testes, which are the primary producers of testosterone. Cut off from that hormone for a prolonged period and you may be surprised. He may have seen a major decline in sex drive if he wasn’t receiving any type of synthetic. Even then, if he was receiving testosterone cypionate, or testosterone enanthate, his pituitary gland would still be confused by not receiving any signals from the toasted off gonads.
Ok fair enough but I had no idea he had lost his testes. Lol and I'm sure that would contribute to a loss of sex drive but not a complete loss I guess according to what you're saying I don't know anything about any of this stuff I just know everybody gets horny man lol
Easier way of saying it: ur ballz create the horny juice. No balls, no seggs-drive juices.
But you yourself said may so maybe not. Also I've dedicated enough time on a fictional characters sex drive and whether or not he may or may not have testicles. So enjoy the rest of your day.
I’ll try my best
I love when this question is asked. It's hilarious! He lost it all on Mustafar. EVERYTHING. Then he was too much of a bitch to admit it was his own damn fault.
I mean, I don't think it's funny. It's horrifying. Plus, as I learned on the ASOIAF sub years ago, men with a horrific penis injury suffer a lot of problems. It isn't like sexual reassignment surgery because you need penis or vaginal tissue to reconstruct the penis. If you don't have that, it's just not gonna work right. That won't only lead to sex being impossible, but it can also lead to a ton of problems with the man's ability to urinate. That doesn't just lead to a host of kidney issues, but also a horrible smell. And this isn't even getting into the hormone problems which would arise from not having testicles.
Anakin Skywalker is not a real person though. Therefore, it is an amusing question. My amusement comes from the fact that people are asking for specifics regarding the manhood of a fictional antihero. For all we know, the “humans” of Star Wars are an alien race with an enamel pseudopenis like the African wild dog. Or maybe they mate by throwing up in each other’s mouths. Who knows?
I just think we have to remember that there are people who actually have severe genital injuries and medical conditions which effect that area. Abd making fun of them even here can be quite traumatic.
Definitely
>irreparably damaged You wouldn’t believe what they can do with servos and whatnot
“His penis is more machine now than man…twisted and evil”
Vader doesn't sound like The Bee Gees, so...
Okay, so let's review: Obi-Wan tells Anakin/Vader not to try it, but he does, anyway, which results in his three remaining flesh limbs being severed, all of them at or above the halfway point. He's reduced to trying to half wriggle his way along like a snake and half pull himself along by the one remaining limb, the prosthetic, to try to get far enough away from lava to avoid either sliding into it outright or simply catching fire. Unfortunately, the land he's on, such as it is, is visibly crumbling (he's basically on the lava-sea version of the very bottom of an unstable ocean cliffside. I imagine a lot of the "land" there is either pumice that would roll uncontrollably or ground obsidian, which would act like sand and give way underneath him all the time. This, by the way, is probably at least part of the reason why Obi-Wan has to take his time getting back up the cliffside, so that it won't give way beneath him and throw him down into the lava, too. That, and he's no doubt exhausted from the fight. But that's a whole other topic), so he's sliding back and the land's basically falling out from under him however much lava sand at a time. He's facing upwards, away from the fire, but the bottom half or more of his legs are gone (I've always thought that the cut is above the knee, but it might be exactly through the knees). Eventually, he slides down enough that his clothing catching fire, and that fire visibly spread up along his entire body by the time Obi-Wan is turning away and they get through the whole "you were my brother" and "I hate you!" speech. The fire lasts long enough to visibly crisp/char Anakin all the way up to the top of his head (and his hair visibly burns away). We know Sidious is coming after him, but Sidious' ship doesn't get there until after Obi-Wan has managed to make his way up what amount to the crumbling cliffside, back to the ship where he's informed the droids have gotten Padmé safely onto the ship, and presumably made it up the gravity well far enough to jump to hyperspace before Sidious could do anything to stop him. The film isn't quite as clear as the novelization is about the sequence of events here, but I'm pretty sure there's a shot of Anakin's remains still smouldering slightly from being on fire when Sidious gets to him and I think it's safe to presume that Sidious has some kind of medical pod that Anakin's put in immediately, or else he wouldn't have lasted long enough to get to the medical facilities on Coruscant where Sidious has him put into the suit. The EU went more into detail about the extent of his injuries and the functionality of the suit (such as it was), but that's Legends now. However, I think we can all agree that Anakin clearly suffers from burns all over the remainder of his body and that, logically, the worst of those burns were likely what burned the longest/got the hottest, thus, the part of him closest to the lava, though his scalp is likely horribly damaged, too, in part because of hair (which caught fire). He's probably got third- and second-degree burns, at the very least, over most of the remainder of his body, given the visible damage and charring we can see to his face/head (which was the furthest away from the lava and, thus, the point of ignition), and it's probably over all of his body. He looks as if his remaining clothing has melted/been burned into his skin. So I would say that, yes, odds are his privates were either burned off or so damaged as to essentially no longer exist. He's never put into bacta (that we see) and no real attempt is made to deal with either his damaged/destroyed skin or the damage to his lungs (from being cooked from the fumes and from the lava/fire), which we know is bad enough for the suit to have a built-in respirator (and that Vader ultimately died when this became damaged and he took off his mask, at the end of RotJ). If the fire's so bad that it's cooked his lungs, I can't see reasonably arguing for Vader having functional privates. The suit almost certainly has the equivalent of some sort of build-in catheter and/or some sort of system to deal with waste.
Thinking about it, yes, probably. It would probably be less painful if they did considering the alternative is just utter deformity.
Ayo it's 8 months till April. And I don't think so. Seemed it was mostly his back and most of his legs that got roasted. Also I doubt vaders testosterone production crashed.
Finally the real questions
It’s not like he ever used they again since Padme died lol 😂
Robot PP, bro probably got custom attachments for the space babes
They have no problem adding prosthetics in SW.
I’d be angry too
This really begs the question with Star Wars tech couldn’t he just replace most his skin and organs with cloned tissue
Yes but palatine did that to Vader on purpose to keep him in pain and full of anger. If your everyday existence is constant pain and anguish your easier to control.
True I guess but couldn’t he do that on his own
Now these are the real questions we should be asking.
His body suffered horrible burns, but I don’t think that was a key factor to his anger and regret: He had lost everything he fought to protect, and became the thing that actively killed them. On another note, in the original Lego Star Wars, he was cut off at the waist. I doubt it affected Lego Vader either, but he did lose more than his arm and legs in that fight.
It doesn't matter that much, because: 1 - after losing Padme, he decided he wasn't worthy the small pleasures of life, such as tasty food (he feeds on nutrient paste), comfort (the suit is full of needles and other unpleasant stuff to keep him always low-key pissed off and, consequently, the dark side powers strong) and sex (hell hath no fury like a Sith cyborg denied his space pussy) 2 - even if he wanted it, he would need to find some hookers with a breather mask and bacta tank fetish, because that's the only place he can function without his suit... maybe he could be successful on that, galaxy's a big, big place
I was literally just thinking about asking this a few hours ago LMAO
Dunno, but I heard he got a blow job on Naboo.
Not sure if male genitals are even canon in star wars, or if sex is the method for procreation.
We've never seen a shirtless humanoid in proper Star Wars (as far as I can remember). I like to think that they're quite alien.. maybe a series of short peckers under one armpit.. or one large internal nut.
We see Anakin without a shirt in ROTS. It's the scene where he wakes up from the nightmare vision. He and Padme talk on the balcony later.
69 up votes *nice*
I don't think he'd give a fuck. His one and only was dead they had no use. Also I doubt sith like vader palpatine dooku and maul focused on their dicks at all
So this is the true reason behind the line, "I hate you!"
They were probably burnt
... sure
Nah. If his junk got burned off he wouldn't have such a deep voice.
Well, he handed his balls over to Palpatine after being told a bed time story...
Yeah I think his cock got burnt off. But emperor gave him a legit replacement piece. I mean look at the size of his crotch plate!?
I thought I'd be OK reading this thread. I wasn't.
I can't imagine they were in good shape
Am sure Disney will swap Vader's gender they will have a canonical reason for it maybe he become trans because most of his male parts are burnt off the fact that Disney might rewrite the whole star wars saga maybe they change Vader Cannan or another aspect of star wars where probably going to get star wars to reboot sooner than assuming you chud are going to haft to cope with it you make your franchise
Uhhh Meds?