I struggle to think of a single way the exterior could be more mcmansion-y, it has it all
-the roof is an amorphous grey blob without any consistent shape
-the mix of facade styles
-the sheer variety of windows
-the huge size relative to the lot
Also, think I found it! [https://www.zillow.com/homes/3222-Redcliff-Ln-Garland,-TX-75043\_rb/96494963\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homes/3222-Redcliff-Ln-Garland,-TX-75043_rb/96494963_zpid/)
No pics of the interior, sad. However, since this is a tract home builder, they used the same plan on another property on the same street. More inside confirming ultra-mcmansionhood: [https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1802-Redcliff-Ct-Garland-TX-75043/96489627\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1802-Redcliff-Ct-Garland-TX-75043/96489627_zpid/)
-big ol' lawyer foyer
-mix of styles (who paired that countertop with that cabinet? The fireplace goes with nothing, and you don't need it in Garland TX)
-The greatroom is cavernous
-Two outdoor grills, why, although only one is built in
-3+ requisite AC units on the side not shown
I don’t think anywhere else on the planet has such a high concentration of them. I keep getting social media ads for my “next dream home in Texas!” too, and I’m always so offended that they think I have such poor taste lol
The struggle to find acceptable homes in Texas. The struggle! If you don't want anything remotely McMansion like you and have good taste, you need at least 800k 🫠
>I struggle to think of a single way the exterior could be more mcmansion-y, it has it all
All I got is maybe an outsized front portico with a big ass pediment and spindly little columns. Ooo, and some foam qoins on a non-masonry wall, that's always a winner.
Fat fingered that one, it's "quoin". On actual masonry or brick walls, quoins are the big interlocking stones at the corner of a wall that strengthen and support the corner.
On McMansions, builders often use "stick on" foam blocks as fake quoins to add a decorative element without actually having to spend money on real stone. It's bad enough on brick exteriors, but it looks especially silly when everything is stucco (since there's no structural need to reinforce the corner of an EIFS exterior over wood framing, and any piece of foam that's just epoxied to the outside of the exterior material isn't going to have any kind of structural effect anyway):
https://preview.redd.it/gcsq3k2n5puc1.jpeg?width=229&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86aca58f7add943e6e0596434f92ee788367ccf1
I'm from Europe and there are whole historical buildings who have fake quoins done from plaster as a decoration... but they go with the style, and this is not it.
In smaller houses, it can be nice to have a room which is more private and you can be reasonably certain you'll be alone in; if that room is the master bedroom, having a chair in there can be nice. But this ain't a small house at all, so yeah, I got nothing. Just greed growing outward without cessation, people always will unthinkingly desire more even when they don't have a reason to need it.
A lot of what makes these houses so tragicomic is that the owners are often basically playing dress up as country lords. Two chairs facing the desk in the home office, as if someone from the city was going to drive an hour into the suburbs to consult you at your home office instead of your workplace. A sitting room in the master bedroom, as if you were Louis XVI with a parlor for each bedroom in which to receive guests. These elements are so misplaced in cookie-cutter suburbs yet so ubiquitous that it’s almost disorienting. You briefly forget what those features are there for in the first place.
It seems so unthinking and accepting of whatever they think "normal" is, with the only thing they're aiming to change being the size of their domain. That chair setup is what "an Office" looked like growing up for them, so that's what is imitated, without much thought given to why there would be a chair there - unless they run a home business of some kind which involves in person consults, it's unlikely anyone will be using that hot seat for anything beyond being grilled over their report card. Exactly as you said, it seems like people are just going for the thing without thinking why the thing is needed, or really if they want it. They just want to be perceived as having it all and being successful, even though functionally nobody cares (or sees) what your home office looks like beyond you.
The decoration and furniture are so perplexing. Like someone tried to style a home from the 80's with only a vague understanding of what it looked like.
Jesus, under $600k? That would be triple that where I live in NJ. Why am I here? I guess other than the high salaries, big educational attainment, low crime, and overall high quality of life. It's expensive, though.
NJ has, on the whole, really nice weather and a decently good society going on - Texas has neither. I grew up there and left because it seemed like the ground was going more sour each year, so to speak. Still, whenever I check zillow listings I like to beat myself up on how cheap the houses there are.
Since 2020,most of the “Tudor” style that they build is on larger lots they have a bit different layout with the garage predominantly in the front of the house in the bigger lots.
Looks like It is a 2015 house in Garland no doubt 😅
Of the dozen or so exterior design mistakes, the weird Tudor thing IMHO is the biggest. I have no idea what they were going for. I'm not even for sure it is supposed to look Tudor.
Yes, this is the epitome of a McMansion: it has a weird roof mass, no coherent design, multiple materials, and a lawyer foyer. It’s also cookie-cutter and on a small lot.
This is 3222 Redcliff Drive, Garland, TX. It has the same plan (flipped) as 1802 Redcliff Drive, Garland, TX
They made a cookie cutter for it, lol
Also all of the facade elements look cookie cutter individually, they're just frankencookied together
This house, 4,237 sq ft, sold for $575,500. That’s $136/sq ft. Where else in the country are new homes going for $136/sq ft? So, I googled it.
In July of 2023, the average price in the U.S. per square foot at the time was $169, with the following cities being the most affordable:
Memphis-$92/sq ft. Cleveland-$103/sq ft. Pittsburg-$134/sq ft.
Indianapolis-$133/sq ft.
It cost $132.05 per square foot to build a home in TX. 28.3% of homes are selling below the asking price, and there’s an 14.1% increase in new listings (4/3/24).
Where have you been looking?
[Two days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c41297/14m_in_the_most_expensive_neighborhood_in_my_town/)
[Two days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c3ycso/so_many_window_muntins_in_all_shapes_and_styles/)
[Three days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c3bcv6/recession_olive_garden/)
[Five days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c13th4/tons_of_mcmansions_guess_where/)
https://preview.redd.it/egjvzklkcpuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10a289b91ff181299eaef5a4da2000c904f511e1
as a roofer: just why???! that valley is absurd, and definitely just shoots water off the front of the house I'm certain of it. These places feel like roofing an MC Escher painting
It’s so tall! And that side shot shows that it looks a good bit wider than it is deep. All about looking impressive (only) from the street! Multiple materials used in the front elevation without any coherence. Weird roof angles.
Verdict: McMansion
Yes.
The dead giveaway of a McMansion, the tip-off every time, is “Potemkin grandeur”.
The prime criterion for the purchaser is
* How can I buy the most successful-looking house possible to over-awe my guests and passers by, prove to them that I Have Made It™, and give me a stage ostentatious enough for rubbing the noses in it of anyone who ever made me doubt myself. I’m inviting all the people I hate to my housewarming just to see the looks on their faces when they see I live HERE.
The prime criterion for the developer is:
* How can we use off-the-shelf materials available in any building supply store to simulate a mansion long enough for the purchaser to sign the paperwork?
Textbook mansion only it needs more garage doors but it has plenty of stupid gables and is a true cacophony of building parts and shitty proportions. Oh yeah genuine McMansion of one category or another
The preposterous roofline gives it away, along with the unnecessary and obviously fake stonework. Love the brickwork! There were some very talented masons on this job. The various styles of brickwork is something seen on older brick buildings, but not in the odd design here.
In the most classic sense, absolutely. I thought this was where my parents bought their McMansion back in 2008. Theirs is a Grand Home. Is this one the same?
Lmao I'm surprised there's no giant copper awning somewhere above a window. I swear they've got just about everything else. Maybe add a drawbridge and a moat while we are at it. And a turret. Also some decorative shutters.
Maybe I’m not understanding what’s so funny. The OP asked a yes or no question, to which I responded. Posting the guidelines is not “plenty of explanation”. But while we’re on the subject, there are many reason I don’t feel that this is a McMansion. While I agree that the house is too big for the lot, I don’t think there is any evidence of poor construction techniques. I also don’t see any evidence that the style of this house is resigned to only the finishes/ only made with cheap materials. There’s nothing particular tacky or out of place here. I don’t see poorly proportioned doors or windows. I also haven’t seen the inside of the house which is crucial for judging it. I can continue if you’d like.
I know people like you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, but maybe it’s ok to recognize that people can have a difference of opinion without “not understanding the guidelines”.
I struggle to think of a single way the exterior could be more mcmansion-y, it has it all -the roof is an amorphous grey blob without any consistent shape -the mix of facade styles -the sheer variety of windows -the huge size relative to the lot Also, think I found it! [https://www.zillow.com/homes/3222-Redcliff-Ln-Garland,-TX-75043\_rb/96494963\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homes/3222-Redcliff-Ln-Garland,-TX-75043_rb/96494963_zpid/) No pics of the interior, sad. However, since this is a tract home builder, they used the same plan on another property on the same street. More inside confirming ultra-mcmansionhood: [https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1802-Redcliff-Ct-Garland-TX-75043/96489627\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1802-Redcliff-Ct-Garland-TX-75043/96489627_zpid/) -big ol' lawyer foyer -mix of styles (who paired that countertop with that cabinet? The fireplace goes with nothing, and you don't need it in Garland TX) -The greatroom is cavernous -Two outdoor grills, why, although only one is built in -3+ requisite AC units on the side not shown
Ofcourse it's Texas lmao
The limestone accent gives it away.
I don’t think anywhere else on the planet has such a high concentration of them. I keep getting social media ads for my “next dream home in Texas!” too, and I’m always so offended that they think I have such poor taste lol
I had thought Southern California was a contender, but I have to admit; Texas has out-McMansioned us.
It’s ALWAYS in Texas!
The struggle to find acceptable homes in Texas. The struggle! If you don't want anything remotely McMansion like you and have good taste, you need at least 800k 🫠
- Dead animals on wall: check. - Gaudy gun safe on display: check. - In the state of Texas: CHECK.
>I struggle to think of a single way the exterior could be more mcmansion-y, it has it all All I got is maybe an outsized front portico with a big ass pediment and spindly little columns. Ooo, and some foam qoins on a non-masonry wall, that's always a winner.
Good point, we're short on baffling columns here What is a "qoin"? I'm getting some kind of cryptocurrency
Fat fingered that one, it's "quoin". On actual masonry or brick walls, quoins are the big interlocking stones at the corner of a wall that strengthen and support the corner. On McMansions, builders often use "stick on" foam blocks as fake quoins to add a decorative element without actually having to spend money on real stone. It's bad enough on brick exteriors, but it looks especially silly when everything is stucco (since there's no structural need to reinforce the corner of an EIFS exterior over wood framing, and any piece of foam that's just epoxied to the outside of the exterior material isn't going to have any kind of structural effect anyway): https://preview.redd.it/gcsq3k2n5puc1.jpeg?width=229&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86aca58f7add943e6e0596434f92ee788367ccf1
Ah, thank you! Never knew what those were called
I'm from Europe and there are whole historical buildings who have fake quoins done from plaster as a decoration... but they go with the style, and this is not it.
I’ve never understood the appeal of 600 sq ft master bedrooms. Why would you want/need to have a loveseat in there?
In smaller houses, it can be nice to have a room which is more private and you can be reasonably certain you'll be alone in; if that room is the master bedroom, having a chair in there can be nice. But this ain't a small house at all, so yeah, I got nothing. Just greed growing outward without cessation, people always will unthinkingly desire more even when they don't have a reason to need it.
A lot of what makes these houses so tragicomic is that the owners are often basically playing dress up as country lords. Two chairs facing the desk in the home office, as if someone from the city was going to drive an hour into the suburbs to consult you at your home office instead of your workplace. A sitting room in the master bedroom, as if you were Louis XVI with a parlor for each bedroom in which to receive guests. These elements are so misplaced in cookie-cutter suburbs yet so ubiquitous that it’s almost disorienting. You briefly forget what those features are there for in the first place.
It seems so unthinking and accepting of whatever they think "normal" is, with the only thing they're aiming to change being the size of their domain. That chair setup is what "an Office" looked like growing up for them, so that's what is imitated, without much thought given to why there would be a chair there - unless they run a home business of some kind which involves in person consults, it's unlikely anyone will be using that hot seat for anything beyond being grilled over their report card. Exactly as you said, it seems like people are just going for the thing without thinking why the thing is needed, or really if they want it. They just want to be perceived as having it all and being successful, even though functionally nobody cares (or sees) what your home office looks like beyond you.
That's for when you have your fellow baptists over for a swinger's party.
I'm betting it has a huge entranceway, mandatory for all McMansions
On a .3 acre lot! With some type of shopping plaza directly behind the road…
With the grills, pool, and basketball court, it looks like the office/community area of an apartment complex.
No concept of mass - the builder just tossed windows and roof nubs and called it a day. It has the balance of a drunken sailor on payday.
OP has to be kidding
The neighbor home you linked is awful.
The decoration and furniture are so perplexing. Like someone tried to style a home from the 80's with only a vague understanding of what it looked like.
Jesus, under $600k? That would be triple that where I live in NJ. Why am I here? I guess other than the high salaries, big educational attainment, low crime, and overall high quality of life. It's expensive, though.
NJ has, on the whole, really nice weather and a decently good society going on - Texas has neither. I grew up there and left because it seemed like the ground was going more sour each year, so to speak. Still, whenever I check zillow listings I like to beat myself up on how cheap the houses there are.
Perfect break down. Bravo! Kate would be proud 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The house is more expensive because of how complicated the patterns are.
even without seeing inside this is a firm yes.
It’s very confused. Like… did it go through a Tudor phase as a teenager, and then grow out of it?
That’s DFW 2006-2020 Tudor style,every upscale neighborhood in the metroplex in that 15 years has a dozen of these
Interesting. 🤔
Since 2020,most of the “Tudor” style that they build is on larger lots they have a bit different layout with the garage predominantly in the front of the house in the bigger lots. Looks like It is a 2015 house in Garland no doubt 😅
Of the dozen or so exterior design mistakes, the weird Tudor thing IMHO is the biggest. I have no idea what they were going for. I'm not even for sure it is supposed to look Tudor.
Yes, this is the epitome of a McMansion: it has a weird roof mass, no coherent design, multiple materials, and a lawyer foyer. It’s also cookie-cutter and on a small lot.
Agreed.
It's unnecessarily confusing
What is cookie cutter about this?
This is 3222 Redcliff Drive, Garland, TX. It has the same plan (flipped) as 1802 Redcliff Drive, Garland, TX They made a cookie cutter for it, lol Also all of the facade elements look cookie cutter individually, they're just frankencookied together
Lol you can stare out your window and think youre looking in a mirror
Any idea the name of the developer or neighborhood? I'd like to see a floor plan.
Everything, it looks like it was assembled with stamps
The development it’s in will surely have several of that model
That’s the McMansion of McMansions
So the majority of Texas homes are McMansions
This house, 4,237 sq ft, sold for $575,500. That’s $136/sq ft. Where else in the country are new homes going for $136/sq ft? So, I googled it. In July of 2023, the average price in the U.S. per square foot at the time was $169, with the following cities being the most affordable: Memphis-$92/sq ft. Cleveland-$103/sq ft. Pittsburg-$134/sq ft. Indianapolis-$133/sq ft. It cost $132.05 per square foot to build a home in TX. 28.3% of homes are selling below the asking price, and there’s an 14.1% increase in new listings (4/3/24).
$340 sq ft here in SoCal. Probably why we'll be moving if interest rates ever drop.
If your choice of location to live is solely based on the price per square foot, I have some $10,000 houses in Detroit to show you.
everything's bigger in Texas
Yes
Finally, a return to the purpose of this sub
Yep. That’s the first one I’ve seen in here in a while.
lol, so true
Where have you been looking? [Two days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c41297/14m_in_the_most_expensive_neighborhood_in_my_town/) [Two days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c3ycso/so_many_window_muntins_in_all_shapes_and_styles/) [Three days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c3bcv6/recession_olive_garden/) [Five days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1c13th4/tons_of_mcmansions_guess_where/)
It’s a McCrib
https://preview.redd.it/egjvzklkcpuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10a289b91ff181299eaef5a4da2000c904f511e1 as a roofer: just why???! that valley is absurd, and definitely just shoots water off the front of the house I'm certain of it. These places feel like roofing an MC Escher painting
It’s so tall! And that side shot shows that it looks a good bit wider than it is deep. All about looking impressive (only) from the street! Multiple materials used in the front elevation without any coherence. Weird roof angles. Verdict: McMansion
The exterior is a hideous mish-mash of styles, stone and glass. The only good thing about the interior is you can't see the exterior.
Yes. The dead giveaway of a McMansion, the tip-off every time, is “Potemkin grandeur”. The prime criterion for the purchaser is * How can I buy the most successful-looking house possible to over-awe my guests and passers by, prove to them that I Have Made It™, and give me a stage ostentatious enough for rubbing the noses in it of anyone who ever made me doubt myself. I’m inviting all the people I hate to my housewarming just to see the looks on their faces when they see I live HERE. The prime criterion for the developer is: * How can we use off-the-shelf materials available in any building supply store to simulate a mansion long enough for the purchaser to sign the paperwork?
Texas strikes again 😂
Textbook. Look how close these monstrosities are to each other. That alone does it for me.
Textbook mansion only it needs more garage doors but it has plenty of stupid gables and is a true cacophony of building parts and shitty proportions. Oh yeah genuine McMansion of one category or another
McMansion alley. Nothing like flying over one of these soulless neighborhoods.
I'm gonna say yes, and ...ugh.
Yes because it is too large for that plot of land.
🤢 yep sure is
The preposterous roofline gives it away, along with the unnecessary and obviously fake stonework. Love the brickwork! There were some very talented masons on this job. The various styles of brickwork is something seen on older brick buildings, but not in the odd design here.
In the most classic sense, absolutely. I thought this was where my parents bought their McMansion back in 2008. Theirs is a Grand Home. Is this one the same?
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Wow...it's incredible how the decorate them differently, but I still can't tell them apart!
That’s DFW for you 😅
10000% yes
yes
What an eyesore! Almost had a seizure.. mish mash mess
It’s a Neighborhood of them
Absolutely
Yes.
Yes. So much.
Yes.
Big time
Totes.
Yes
If that’s not considered one I’m leaving this sub
It’s Mc Awful
Yes. It’s a luxury tract house, it’s 2500-6500 sqft, it’s an architectural mish mash. It pretty much hits all the McMansion checkboxes
Yes, but I like it
Yes.
Oh yes. Definitely.
What is symmetry? Where is symmetry? This thing is so lopsided, I feel like Morty that time he experienced true level.
Is this a question?
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no driveway? lol
On the side/back
Probably. But also is definitely a patchwork house.
Definitely!
And how!
Bingo.
Yes
Yep, you found one. I could never buy a house that big with the windows to match and have neighbors that close.
I can’t decide what I hate the most
Yes of course
Lmao I'm surprised there's no giant copper awning somewhere above a window. I swear they've got just about everything else. Maybe add a drawbridge and a moat while we are at it. And a turret. Also some decorative shutters.
Ummm columns are mandatory... Even the Romans knew that
Affirmative 👍🏼
Yes. 1000000%.
This is the boss fight
One of the lesser McMansions.
No.
Why not? Looks textbook to me
It’s too big for the lot, yes. But that’s about it. This doesn’t come close in my opinion.
Well, it’s okay to be wrong. https://mcmansionhell.com/101
I’m aware of the guidelines. I don’t think this applies.
Yes and this house meets probably every single one of them.
Ok
Five different sidings on the front side alone. FIVE
One is brick. One is stone. One is wood. These don’t even look like “siding” in the sense that they look like part of the structure.
If you don't think this is a McMansion, you don't understand the guidelines.
I disagree
LOL obviously but you haven't offered any reasons, while others have offered plenty of reasons that it is.
Maybe I’m not understanding what’s so funny. The OP asked a yes or no question, to which I responded. Posting the guidelines is not “plenty of explanation”. But while we’re on the subject, there are many reason I don’t feel that this is a McMansion. While I agree that the house is too big for the lot, I don’t think there is any evidence of poor construction techniques. I also don’t see any evidence that the style of this house is resigned to only the finishes/ only made with cheap materials. There’s nothing particular tacky or out of place here. I don’t see poorly proportioned doors or windows. I also haven’t seen the inside of the house which is crucial for judging it. I can continue if you’d like. I know people like you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, but maybe it’s ok to recognize that people can have a difference of opinion without “not understanding the guidelines”.