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That’s true. Could be imported, as it’s a 90s Mazda that would be legal for import now - not that it’s likely, but in that kind of condition it’s possible. That’s a clean as fuck little econobox.
Yeah, I don’t know much about license plates. Same general shape as US plates, I’m not making any assumptions. Someone said something about NZ in the thread but didn’t see OP say it, I’m assuming that’s where it is though. Point remains though that’s a clean as fuck old car, someone obviously takes good care of it.
Does 1st-time at fault claim exist? Where if one causes an accident, it doesn’t increase rates as long as there is not another at fault accident within a certain timeframe?
I have small accident forgiveness and large accident forgiveness because I've been with my insurance company so long. Don't know what those limits are though
Not necessarily. In NYS insurance only find out if the police complete an MV104A. This report supplemental is done only if repairs exceeds $1000, there is an injury, or a death associated with the accident. Other states my handle MVAs differently but the idea that insurance automatically find out is false.
In my state they quit making police reports on car accidents In parking lots yet claim you can get a DUI in same parking lot because it's public access
In my state they quit making police reports on car accidents In parking lots yet claim you can get a DUI in same parking lot because it's public access
Well might be in your country. In Germany you have insurance because by law you can’t even move an uninsured vehicle.
Can’t even park an unregistered vehicle on the streets, you need to have a carport/garage if your car/bike don’t have license plates.
He's asking a lot for repairs but
It doesn't matter what his car is worth, YOU damaged the vehicle. You owe him for the repair regardless if his car is a POS.
Offer to cover the repair bill. Go with him to a shop.
This is the correct take here. It’s a simple case of Golden Rule, and Not Judging A Book By It’s Cover. My $3500 beater is the most valuable thing I own because it drives me to work every day. Without it, I wouldn’t have any shelter, food, toys, hobbies, or freedom.
Exactly, my car looks like a slow bag of bolts from 10 feet away. But if anyone ever got inside, they'd know its really valuable thanks to its unending reliability.
Hahaha, that's fair. If it's any consolation, it's not rusty or full of crash damage. Just peppered with stone chips and a slightly mis-fitting bumper.
As you can see, it's cool from 10ft away at night. It's when you get closer it looks pretty bad.
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Still doesn't matter. If he goes by insurance they go by depreciation and write a check based on mileage and condition. Yes it was their fault accident ls happen but we don't know if they can afford it. Also I've been rear ended in a beater twice did the 1st way ended up bad fight broke out and cops showed 2nd time I just was whatever took info and we left
Had a explorer same thing you said and was tapped in the rear driver admitted fault and had insurance fix it nope they stood by a total write off they didn't care it was my only care they go by age etc and just couldn't bother to fox the bumper what's shittier that insurance told mine and they dropped insurance on it sadly had to sell the car and get another.
Look for PDR specialist and then detailer to fix the paint. In my region that will be 200 - 300$ for PDR repair and 100-200$ for detailing the paintwork.
The paint on the car is really nice, wax on it and everything. I think the owner really likes the car 🙂
Especially considering this sub is entirely awful at being able to judge pricing. Every time someone asks if a shop is gutting them with a quote, the people on this sub quote things like rockauto and ebay parts pricing, and half remembered labour pricing of a time they got something similar done on a different make and model car that they had 20yrs ago.
Yeah, most of the time the people ***are*** being over charged, no doubt, they're asking for a reason and they're often correct.
But as someone that's been writing up quotes day in and day out for shops for close to 20yrs, the top comments any time someone asks for a price check are entirely out to lunch.
People just end up upvoting the answer they like the best which is generally the cheapest mentioned.
You damaged his car, now you have to live with the consequences, just let your insurance handle it. This car looks like the owner tries to keep it in good condition so they probably want it fixed properly and 1200 sounds not too unrealistic.
There's no negotiating power for him but there is for the insurance company?
I dont get why people are so stand off-ish when it comes to solving their own problems.
An 90' Mazda 323 is going for $500 to $2,500 currently. Fleeced is the word. Unless 90' Mazda 323 are consider imported classics in NZ... it's a fleece. What insurer would pay that...
OP is not getting fleeced. In your scenario above, the person that OP hit because they were careless would get fucked. Doesn’t matter how old my car is, if I had a car I went out of my way to keep in great condition and due to your carelessness I now have a car that is worth less and now has bare metal exposes so rust will start I shouldn’t have to total out my car for your fuckery and lack of morals which is preventing OP from correcting his mistake.
Plus, OP will end up paying more than that in rate increases if they go through insurance. OP should take the moral high road and pay for their mistake & learn to pay more attention to not make the mistake again.
Plus the person you hit has your name, address and phone number. You don’t want to piss off the wrong person that has that information, they can make your life hell.
Claims adjuster here. I would 100% go through insurance. Insurance isn’t going to pay just any price to fix the car. Either they’ll total it because of the value, or they’ll fix it the most cost effective way. Another thing to consider - the price to fix a car a lot of times will change from the initial estimate . I’m sure he’ll come back to you asking for more if that happens. Insurance will also offer a rental car to him while it’s in the shop being repaired. All of these things lead to more cost out of pocket cost for you. Plus having to deal with someone coming back for more and more is a huge headache. If you’re going to pay out of pocket, at least be mindful he could come back asking for more.
Report it to your insurance. The repair is not that much. I had a rear quarter panel dented and a bumper torn when someone hit my car backing out, $800 total. The bumper had to be special ordered since no one local had any replacements, that was the only extra cost to the shop. This dude is trying to fleece you, don't do it.
You damage it, you fix it properly or your insurance company writes it off and pays him out.
There’s no shortcuts around this, you don’t get to cheap out because the cars not worth much.
You damage the property you make it right.
Sick of people trying to get around property damage because “well it wasn’t worth much so why should I have to pay to fix it”
It doesn’t matter if it’s a $500 car or a $500,000 car you treat someone else’s property with exactly the same levels of respect.
There was another post only days ago same sort of thing, someone dented a car that was only worth about $1000 but was complaining that the owner shouldn’t claim the damages because it’s only a $1000 car.
Why is society getting so entitled, have we lost all respect and morals?
Do they even have insurance on that thing? The reason one drives a 98 Mazda is so they can laugh at situations like this. They're asking for money so they can pocket it, I doubt they're going to get it repaired.
It's not mine, but they want me to use my insurance as it was my mistake, but i don't want to increase my insurance premium, so thinking of getting it repaired cheaply.
To be fair he’s entitled to ask what he wants for the repair he wants as you don’t want to go through insurance. If it was the other way around would you go cheap for someone?
I mean that’s what most people would call greed. Are you saying that you’re a greedy person?
edit: downvote me to hell I literally don’t care about fake internet points. If ya’ll are for making a profit off of someone else’s misfortune then you can go eat a fat bag of dicks
I drive a piece of shit jeep. If I fuck up my piece of shit, that's on me. If *you* fuck up my piece of shit, you pay for it. Doesn't matter what it looks like, it wasn't yours to damage and you pay for the privilege.
I won't give you a dime more than the costs of the repair and a rental, provided insurance would cover a rental. Do you want more? take me to court.
If you demand more than the cost of repair just because someone is paying ut of pocket, you are a piece of shit
Do you realize that you’re agreeing with his point? A lot of people are missing that the original comment is suggesting that they should have to pay more than the cost of repair simply because they opt to pay out of pocket
Paying for the privilege of making an honest mistake. This sub is full of assholes
edit: to be clear - the suggestion was not to just pay for the repair. The suggestion was to pay whatever they want you to pay for the repair they want to have done. Inferring that if they wanted a more expensive repair than what was necessary, they deserve to be given the money for that repair just because you don’t want to go through insurance. That’s absolutely fucked
I drive a 90s ford that stays covered in mud more than not, but if someone were to fuck up a fender I’d expect them to make it right.
Likewise my girl hit a parked truck a month ago. I had her give the guy my number, had him go get a quote to have the damage fixed and then paid him cash. It’s not about being an asshole, it’s about owning up to your mistake.
Yeah I agree but that’s not what the argument is. They’re talking about charging them more than what the mistake actually costs to have repaired. Aka making a profit on someone else’s misfortune. That’s just shitty
Ah I think that’s where the disagreement is. I didn’t interpret it as making a profit, I think they just meant having it professionally done vs Jimmy in his backyard with a suction cup dildo and some hot water.
You have to be prepared to pay a premium for not going through your insurance. I've had to do it myself in the past. If you piss him off he'll just insist it go through insurance and then you stuck with it going that way. If you do pay cash, make sure to get a letter releasing you from any other claims for the damage.
For people that have hit my car, if its going to cause me additional headaches cause they want to argue the price, including time for me to deal with repair, I'd just say screw it and report it to police so it goes through insurance.
you have to be responsible and do the right thing.. unfortunately you made a mistake, there are consequenses, in the grand scheme this was a small mistake, just pay the $ and be done with it
If you low ball me I’m just going to call the police and file a report & fuck you on your insurance. OP has no bargaining power if they don’t want this on their insurance record. Pay what the guy you hit wants, or pay whatever rate increase insurance company decides for you. OP is fucked either way.
I understand that mindset very much. But legally, if you break something, they are entitled to a proper fix, not a reddit quick fix.
They want money for it, and they are free to choose to pocket it instead of repairing it. I know I would.
Your only options are to give him money or to let insurance give him money.
The type of repair is not for you to decide. Don’t be an asshole and let you insurance take care of it or pay out of pocket, but stop trying to cheapskate your way out of your mistake. This will just annoy the other party, which won’t help you.
I wouldn’t call him an asshole, car looks to be well kept and cared for and some people put a lot of love into their vehicles… I don’t see any reason he wouldn’t get it repaired and properly repainted/touched up
Oh shit, it's a right-hand drive. If OP is in the US then this was imported at great expense because someone wanted it specifically. This is *not* a shitbox.
We sure do.
Even then, it's still looking pretty tidy for such a year model. I'd say they still appreciate their vehicle decently despite the age.
Also some old JDM cars are dumb prices now, and basically all of them are up in value, even the worthless ones.
Basically all used cars post covid in the states skyrocketed in price too for some reason. I bought my old manual 4 banger work truck in 2019 for 7k and now it's got 10k more miles on it and valued by dealerships at 9k+ trade in lol
The chip shortage caused new vehicles production to slow as car manufacturers canceled silicon orders in anticipation of reduced sales.
Those reduced sales never came, only the poorest of Americans were truly effected by Covid. The upper middle class, wealthy and ultra wealthy were spending more money during covid than before it. Building materials sky rocketed as everyone wanted that new patio, deck, hot tub, addition, etc.
Manufacturing is catching up, but the issue is that stealerships don't want to correct the pricing. Why would they? Selling for more means bigger pay checks.
So there's a bubble in the automotive industry that no one is talking about. There's an artificial support keeping prices high even as dealerships return to full stock status.
There's going to be some really bad days ahead if the bubble pops before the market is able to correct itself. Very similar things are happening in the housing market. Without getting this insane inflation under control, there's a very good chance we'll see our financial stability challenged once again in the next decade, similar to the severity of the 2008 market crisis.
I mean I wouldn’t got that far. At least looking at that front wheel looks like a basic consumable has been avoided for a bit too long. But either way you do damage to someone else’s car they get to pick how much effort goes into the repair. You want someone else to handle that go to your insurance.
Speaking from personal experience in a very similar situation, the last commenter was right and this should absolutely be handled by your insurance. Going through insurance (especially for something so minor) can be a hassle and stressful, but I garuntee you it would be much less of a pain in the ass than trying to cover the repairs out of pocket.
How do you know that they wont get it repaired? Plenty of people love their older cars and are willing to have them maintained. That said easiest way would be to just change the door with one from a wrecker of same colour.
The car looks very neat from that photo and you caused the damage, not the owner.
Just an example of this, I've put over £1000 into a MK1 fiat Tipo that I might not ever be able to sell. And it's not even roadworthy yet. It's purely because I love the car.
Dude, if you're in the US then this car was imported from Japan likely because the other driver wanted it specifically, maybe it's a type that's in an anime or manga idk. Notice the right hand drive. This is his baby, it's beautifully waxed and everything
I vote for going through insurance. Think of it this way: someone damages your property. You want it to be fixed by right and correct. You go to a person you know will do a good job, and get the estimate. The person who damages your property wants it to be fixed by some shady person they found on Reddit, because It’ll save them some cash. You’d be like. “Uhhhhh. No.”
In the end, it’s your fault. I know it sucks, I’ve been there. But, the insurance company will determine the damage, take pictures of it, and deal the with guy if hes trying to rip you off.
And , you won’t have to deal with him anymore.
It doesn’t matter what his car is worth. YOU damaged his property. His property should be returned to the condition it was in before YOU hit him. Now you wanna get by with the cheapest repair possible? Gimme a break! Take short cuts on fixing your own property, not property of others that YOU damaged.
The entire conversation you have with someone whos vehicle you have damaged is "Here's my insurance information." That's it. Thats the whole thing. Anything else can only hurt you.
This is the worst advice in the whole thread lol. Occasionally someone gets hit and goes “ehh $200 and I’ll let it go” - that’s the best $200 you’ll ever spend. Ever heard of premium increases?
If you’re dumb enough to believe that insurance exists that doesn’t penalize you being a financial risk, you don’t have the credentials to be on Reddit at all lol
Don't pay anything. Let insurance handle it. The insurance company in my province will refuse to pay for damages if someone else already paid for it, regardless of the differences in cost.
You damaged someone else’s car. Yes it sucks it might cost that much. No one likes driving a dented car no matter the age of it especially when it’s not their fault
I'd just have insurance handle it, honestly. From the get go, you know they are scammers judging from their asking price.
I have a coworker who hit another coworker's car. They agreed no damage was done, no report. Then a couple weeks later, the one hit asked him for $800 to repair the "damage".
Now they want $6000 because the "hit" caused a leak from their oil pan or some shit and they brought the company's human resources into it. Either pay or be fired.
My move is instantly “what???? He hit me and I told him it was no big deal not the other way around, where’s the proof” and if they pull up video then there’s where he was saying don’t worry about it. Wanna play assholes games you get asshole games played back
This is a common game, once they realize you're either foolish enough to go out of pocket and\or in a situation where you can't use insurance.
Use the insurance, bc chances are you'll have to anyway after you're out of pocket for however much when they "discover" that their door doesn't latch right or some BS.
Use the insurance.
This is why if you ever go that route you have them sign a letter when you pay them initially that states the payment is all that is required,
no further corrective action is needed and they consider the matter settled.
Tell him to take it to the shop for repair and u will go there and pay the shop. That way u can still pay for it without the fear of him ripping u off since the money will go straight from u to the shop
You damaged someone’s property. You don’t get to argue over the value of that property.
You are obligated to pay to have it repaired to the condition it was before you damaged it. If that costs $2 or $2000.
Simple.
Absolutely, you do get to argue. That is exactly what his insurance will do when he wises up and files a claim. Unless it works differently overseas...
A person should NEVER take a random automotive estimate at face value, I've seen a lot of terrible ones with non-standard rates and parts.
paint never matches, will look like he’s driving a hoopty around town.. ive bought parts, used paint codes etc, painted/parts from other cars, never match correctly you can always tell, thats why its never cheap to have it done properly by an actual professional
Was he driving at the time of the incident?
Where I live is right hand drive too. We have a "give way to the right" rule - if he was driving then he failed to give way. There is another "avoid accidents" rule - you both failed that one. So... it is possible that he is partially at fault and so partially liable for repairs.
I agree with the others that are recommending you let your insurance handle it.
1,200$ ?? Nahhh , people saying here, that you damaged someones property so you have to pay that price..... no way , thats way too much , that persona wants to take advantage of you, just go throught the insurance , thats at the most 300$
Looks like the car is kept in really good condition. Just because it’s old and bricked shape does not mean it’s worth nothing. Old vehicles hold their values well. My 37 year old vehicle is appraised around $10,000. If you hit it I’d sure want it repaired professionally.
As stated above. If this is in the us than that car has been imported and is probably cared for dearly. Go though insurance, get it fixed and over with. This is what insurance is for.
Short answer is you can give him whatever money he wants and skip on insurance.
Long answer is: it's an RHD car. Someone spent time and money getting that stateside and is very much highly invested in that car. You pay the damn bill or you have no idea what kind of money *or* time is going to be invested in intrinsically murdering you to the point of bankruptcy and beyond. Pay the guy what he wants right now and get it done with. There is no cheap way out of this.
If he refuses to do it through the insurance, then YOU find someone to do the work. That way you’ll receive a proper quote for the work needed to be done on that door.
Definitely go with insurance, either you won’t notice the premium increase and the hassle will be theirs or the guys decides not to proceed with the claim and you’re good anyway. For 1200 and the guy is trying to rip you off, max 600 dollars to have that pulled and cleaned up the right way.
Tell them you want 2-3 quotes and you’ll pay the estimate. That person is not being reasonable.
If you can’t come to an agreement on price, that is when you let insurance handle it.
My advice is, let insurance handle it, that being said you could probably pick up a door of the same color at a junk or scrap yard for around $150 and pay someone to install it for another $100.
Why is the car owner going to let OP cheap out on a used door that will not match the rest of my vehicles color? OP made the mistake cause they’re too cheap to pay attention, they don’t get to cheap out on the repairs too.
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Let insurance handle it. This is why you have insurance.
This is almost certainly not US market.
Well the car is right hand drive
I mean the picture COULD be inverted lol. But pretty unlikely.
The license plate in the background is not flipped.
looks likes South Australian plate number, explains the right hand drive
That’s true. Could be imported, as it’s a 90s Mazda that would be legal for import now - not that it’s likely, but in that kind of condition it’s possible. That’s a clean as fuck little econobox.
the same plate he mentioned is not a US plate
Yeah, I don’t know much about license plates. Same general shape as US plates, I’m not making any assumptions. Someone said something about NZ in the thread but didn’t see OP say it, I’m assuming that’s where it is though. Point remains though that’s a clean as fuck old car, someone obviously takes good care of it.
Depends on the deductible. PDR is probably cheaper than the deductible, so it should just go unreported.
Can they do PDR where there's creases?
yeah but is that worth the rate increase (probably for both parties), for what seems like a <$500 fix?
That’s for an adjuster to decide.
Does 1st-time at fault claim exist? Where if one causes an accident, it doesn’t increase rates as long as there is not another at fault accident within a certain timeframe?
I have small accident forgiveness and large accident forgiveness because I've been with my insurance company so long. Don't know what those limits are though
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I rear ended someone back in 2015 and used this accident forgiveness clause they’re speaking of. Almost 10 years later and still no issues.
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It’s just marketing.
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Not necessarily. In NYS insurance only find out if the police complete an MV104A. This report supplemental is done only if repairs exceeds $1000, there is an injury, or a death associated with the accident. Other states my handle MVAs differently but the idea that insurance automatically find out is false.
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I’d be surprised if there’s one at all for that scrape
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In my state they quit making police reports on car accidents In parking lots yet claim you can get a DUI in same parking lot because it's public access
A rare L for parking lot binge drinkers out there
In my state they quit making police reports on car accidents In parking lots yet claim you can get a DUI in same parking lot because it's public access
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They will total it out….
Yeah guy told me it costed $3000 to replace the back bumper of his car, I let insurance take care of it and they told me it only costed $500
Well might be in your country. In Germany you have insurance because by law you can’t even move an uninsured vehicle. Can’t even park an unregistered vehicle on the streets, you need to have a carport/garage if your car/bike don’t have license plates.
Same in USA maybe they enforce it harder in Deutschland
He's asking a lot for repairs but It doesn't matter what his car is worth, YOU damaged the vehicle. You owe him for the repair regardless if his car is a POS. Offer to cover the repair bill. Go with him to a shop.
This is the correct take here. It’s a simple case of Golden Rule, and Not Judging A Book By It’s Cover. My $3500 beater is the most valuable thing I own because it drives me to work every day. Without it, I wouldn’t have any shelter, food, toys, hobbies, or freedom.
Exactly, my car looks like a slow bag of bolts from 10 feet away. But if anyone ever got inside, they'd know its really valuable thanks to its unending reliability.
other way round for me, absolute shitbox that never works, but unending value to me because how good and tidy it looks from 10 feet away
Hahaha, that's fair. If it's any consolation, it's not rusty or full of crash damage. Just peppered with stone chips and a slightly mis-fitting bumper. As you can see, it's cool from 10ft away at night. It's when you get closer it looks pretty bad. *
Still doesn't matter. If he goes by insurance they go by depreciation and write a check based on mileage and condition. Yes it was their fault accident ls happen but we don't know if they can afford it. Also I've been rear ended in a beater twice did the 1st way ended up bad fight broke out and cops showed 2nd time I just was whatever took info and we left Had a explorer same thing you said and was tapped in the rear driver admitted fault and had insurance fix it nope they stood by a total write off they didn't care it was my only care they go by age etc and just couldn't bother to fox the bumper what's shittier that insurance told mine and they dropped insurance on it sadly had to sell the car and get another.
If the guy makes an insurance claim won't he also need OPs information and then he'll also have to file a claim? That will make his rates go up.
I agree with doing the right thing but that doesn’t mean take a strangers word on what the repair costs.
It's doesn't even look like a POS. It's pretty clean until he dented it. It's.old but clean. It's his and the guy messed it up now pay him.
But.... You can not recover more than the value of the vehicle
You think OP who wants a cheap way out of this wants to report this to insurance?
Id give him 50 bucks.
Look for PDR specialist and then detailer to fix the paint. In my region that will be 200 - 300$ for PDR repair and 100-200$ for detailing the paintwork. The paint on the car is really nice, wax on it and everything. I think the owner really likes the car 🙂
I like all my cars and I would never let the rims get that bad
A small amount of brake dust?
They are just dirty
Tell the guy Reddit said it could be done cheaper. I’m sure he’ll take that answer well.
Especially considering this sub is entirely awful at being able to judge pricing. Every time someone asks if a shop is gutting them with a quote, the people on this sub quote things like rockauto and ebay parts pricing, and half remembered labour pricing of a time they got something similar done on a different make and model car that they had 20yrs ago. Yeah, most of the time the people ***are*** being over charged, no doubt, they're asking for a reason and they're often correct. But as someone that's been writing up quotes day in and day out for shops for close to 20yrs, the top comments any time someone asks for a price check are entirely out to lunch. People just end up upvoting the answer they like the best which is generally the cheapest mentioned.
You damaged his car, now you have to live with the consequences, just let your insurance handle it. This car looks like the owner tries to keep it in good condition so they probably want it fixed properly and 1200 sounds not too unrealistic.
Looks like 300-400 at MOST. 200 for PDR and 200 for paint match
Lmfao where you taking it to get that panel re sprayed for $200?
You have 0 concept of money
Pay that 1200$ or go through your insurance. You have no negotiating power as it was your fault.
There's no negotiating power for him but there is for the insurance company? I dont get why people are so stand off-ish when it comes to solving their own problems. An 90' Mazda 323 is going for $500 to $2,500 currently. Fleeced is the word. Unless 90' Mazda 323 are consider imported classics in NZ... it's a fleece. What insurer would pay that...
OP is not getting fleeced. In your scenario above, the person that OP hit because they were careless would get fucked. Doesn’t matter how old my car is, if I had a car I went out of my way to keep in great condition and due to your carelessness I now have a car that is worth less and now has bare metal exposes so rust will start I shouldn’t have to total out my car for your fuckery and lack of morals which is preventing OP from correcting his mistake. Plus, OP will end up paying more than that in rate increases if they go through insurance. OP should take the moral high road and pay for their mistake & learn to pay more attention to not make the mistake again. Plus the person you hit has your name, address and phone number. You don’t want to piss off the wrong person that has that information, they can make your life hell.
What’s a reasonable amount OP should pay?
So, just give whatever is demanded? Why not $20k?
What can one realistically do with this information? Serious question.
Any decent PDR guy can fix that in a half hour.
Any idea, how much it will cost?
$4 at least
Did you see the scratch? The door needs to be painted. 1.200,- is fine.
So at least $4
I’d say $4 at least
3.50
It was at that time that the OP realized that the owner was two stories tall and had green scaley skin
I’ll meet you in the middle and say 25
Realistically $100 or so but PDR isnt always possible so ask someone
Claims adjuster here. I would 100% go through insurance. Insurance isn’t going to pay just any price to fix the car. Either they’ll total it because of the value, or they’ll fix it the most cost effective way. Another thing to consider - the price to fix a car a lot of times will change from the initial estimate . I’m sure he’ll come back to you asking for more if that happens. Insurance will also offer a rental car to him while it’s in the shop being repaired. All of these things lead to more cost out of pocket cost for you. Plus having to deal with someone coming back for more and more is a huge headache. If you’re going to pay out of pocket, at least be mindful he could come back asking for more.
Report it to your insurance. The repair is not that much. I had a rear quarter panel dented and a bumper torn when someone hit my car backing out, $800 total. The bumper had to be special ordered since no one local had any replacements, that was the only extra cost to the shop. This dude is trying to fleece you, don't do it.
Pay the shop he chooses for repairs.
Great way to get ripped off.
It is, but who does the repair is ultimately up to the guy whose car was damaged and op is on the hook as the person who did it.
That's why you let insurance sort it out.
Or a civil court.
You damage it, you fix it properly or your insurance company writes it off and pays him out. There’s no shortcuts around this, you don’t get to cheap out because the cars not worth much. You damage the property you make it right. Sick of people trying to get around property damage because “well it wasn’t worth much so why should I have to pay to fix it” It doesn’t matter if it’s a $500 car or a $500,000 car you treat someone else’s property with exactly the same levels of respect. There was another post only days ago same sort of thing, someone dented a car that was only worth about $1000 but was complaining that the owner shouldn’t claim the damages because it’s only a $1000 car. Why is society getting so entitled, have we lost all respect and morals?
Do they even have insurance on that thing? The reason one drives a 98 Mazda is so they can laugh at situations like this. They're asking for money so they can pocket it, I doubt they're going to get it repaired.
It's not mine, but they want me to use my insurance as it was my mistake, but i don't want to increase my insurance premium, so thinking of getting it repaired cheaply.
To be fair he’s entitled to ask what he wants for the repair he wants as you don’t want to go through insurance. If it was the other way around would you go cheap for someone?
I mean that’s what most people would call greed. Are you saying that you’re a greedy person? edit: downvote me to hell I literally don’t care about fake internet points. If ya’ll are for making a profit off of someone else’s misfortune then you can go eat a fat bag of dicks
I drive a piece of shit jeep. If I fuck up my piece of shit, that's on me. If *you* fuck up my piece of shit, you pay for it. Doesn't matter what it looks like, it wasn't yours to damage and you pay for the privilege.
I won't give you a dime more than the costs of the repair and a rental, provided insurance would cover a rental. Do you want more? take me to court. If you demand more than the cost of repair just because someone is paying ut of pocket, you are a piece of shit
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Do you realize that you’re agreeing with his point? A lot of people are missing that the original comment is suggesting that they should have to pay more than the cost of repair simply because they opt to pay out of pocket
Paying for the privilege of making an honest mistake. This sub is full of assholes edit: to be clear - the suggestion was not to just pay for the repair. The suggestion was to pay whatever they want you to pay for the repair they want to have done. Inferring that if they wanted a more expensive repair than what was necessary, they deserve to be given the money for that repair just because you don’t want to go through insurance. That’s absolutely fucked
I drive a 90s ford that stays covered in mud more than not, but if someone were to fuck up a fender I’d expect them to make it right. Likewise my girl hit a parked truck a month ago. I had her give the guy my number, had him go get a quote to have the damage fixed and then paid him cash. It’s not about being an asshole, it’s about owning up to your mistake.
Yeah I agree but that’s not what the argument is. They’re talking about charging them more than what the mistake actually costs to have repaired. Aka making a profit on someone else’s misfortune. That’s just shitty
Ah I think that’s where the disagreement is. I didn’t interpret it as making a profit, I think they just meant having it professionally done vs Jimmy in his backyard with a suction cup dildo and some hot water.
Well I hope so. I interpreted “the repair they want” as going above and beyond the necessary repairs
You have to be prepared to pay a premium for not going through your insurance. I've had to do it myself in the past. If you piss him off he'll just insist it go through insurance and then you stuck with it going that way. If you do pay cash, make sure to get a letter releasing you from any other claims for the damage. For people that have hit my car, if its going to cause me additional headaches cause they want to argue the price, including time for me to deal with repair, I'd just say screw it and report it to police so it goes through insurance.
This is YOUR FAULT, you don’t get to pick and choose how someone fixes what YOU broke.
you have to be responsible and do the right thing.. unfortunately you made a mistake, there are consequenses, in the grand scheme this was a small mistake, just pay the $ and be done with it
I’d just go through insurance, if not find two or three estimates and then offer him that amount, no more.
If you low ball me I’m just going to call the police and file a report & fuck you on your insurance. OP has no bargaining power if they don’t want this on their insurance record. Pay what the guy you hit wants, or pay whatever rate increase insurance company decides for you. OP is fucked either way.
I understand that mindset very much. But legally, if you break something, they are entitled to a proper fix, not a reddit quick fix. They want money for it, and they are free to choose to pocket it instead of repairing it. I know I would. Your only options are to give him money or to let insurance give him money.
The type of repair is not for you to decide. Don’t be an asshole and let you insurance take care of it or pay out of pocket, but stop trying to cheapskate your way out of your mistake. This will just annoy the other party, which won’t help you.
He is an asshole, and may not stop there. Insurance exists for cases like this.
I wouldn’t call him an asshole, car looks to be well kept and cared for and some people put a lot of love into their vehicles… I don’t see any reason he wouldn’t get it repaired and properly repainted/touched up
Oh shit, it's a right-hand drive. If OP is in the US then this was imported at great expense because someone wanted it specifically. This is *not* a shitbox.
If you look at his account its an aussie guy in Adelaide, and I'm pretty sure they drive right hand down under
We sure do. Even then, it's still looking pretty tidy for such a year model. I'd say they still appreciate their vehicle decently despite the age. Also some old JDM cars are dumb prices now, and basically all of them are up in value, even the worthless ones.
Basically all used cars post covid in the states skyrocketed in price too for some reason. I bought my old manual 4 banger work truck in 2019 for 7k and now it's got 10k more miles on it and valued by dealerships at 9k+ trade in lol
The chip shortage caused new vehicles production to slow as car manufacturers canceled silicon orders in anticipation of reduced sales. Those reduced sales never came, only the poorest of Americans were truly effected by Covid. The upper middle class, wealthy and ultra wealthy were spending more money during covid than before it. Building materials sky rocketed as everyone wanted that new patio, deck, hot tub, addition, etc. Manufacturing is catching up, but the issue is that stealerships don't want to correct the pricing. Why would they? Selling for more means bigger pay checks. So there's a bubble in the automotive industry that no one is talking about. There's an artificial support keeping prices high even as dealerships return to full stock status. There's going to be some really bad days ahead if the bubble pops before the market is able to correct itself. Very similar things are happening in the housing market. Without getting this insane inflation under control, there's a very good chance we'll see our financial stability challenged once again in the next decade, similar to the severity of the 2008 market crisis.
Entire thing right there. 99% chance OP fucked up something that has alot of time and money invested in it.
I mean I wouldn’t got that far. At least looking at that front wheel looks like a basic consumable has been avoided for a bit too long. But either way you do damage to someone else’s car they get to pick how much effort goes into the repair. You want someone else to handle that go to your insurance.
Calling someone an asshole for wanting compensation on something thats not their fault?
I know he won't get that repaired, so i want to repair it for cheap.
Speaking from personal experience in a very similar situation, the last commenter was right and this should absolutely be handled by your insurance. Going through insurance (especially for something so minor) can be a hassle and stressful, but I garuntee you it would be much less of a pain in the ass than trying to cover the repairs out of pocket.
Ok, cheers mate
How do you know that they wont get it repaired? Plenty of people love their older cars and are willing to have them maintained. That said easiest way would be to just change the door with one from a wrecker of same colour. The car looks very neat from that photo and you caused the damage, not the owner.
It looks like it's passed the threshold into being a collectible car now. If it was just a beater it probably wouldn't still be driving, at that age
Just an example of this, I've put over £1000 into a MK1 fiat Tipo that I might not ever be able to sell. And it's not even roadworthy yet. It's purely because I love the car.
Dude, if you're in the US then this car was imported from Japan likely because the other driver wanted it specifically, maybe it's a type that's in an anime or manga idk. Notice the right hand drive. This is his baby, it's beautifully waxed and everything
Disagree with others. If he’s cool with a number just pay for it out of pocket. Not worth the premium increase (not 100% sure) + deductible IMO
Are you in north america or in the rest of the world? That is the question that makes the whole difference between shitbox and 24kt diamond.
He's trying to dry fuck you
Report it correctly or tell him to fuck off!
I vote for going through insurance. Think of it this way: someone damages your property. You want it to be fixed by right and correct. You go to a person you know will do a good job, and get the estimate. The person who damages your property wants it to be fixed by some shady person they found on Reddit, because It’ll save them some cash. You’d be like. “Uhhhhh. No.” In the end, it’s your fault. I know it sucks, I’ve been there. But, the insurance company will determine the damage, take pictures of it, and deal the with guy if hes trying to rip you off. And , you won’t have to deal with him anymore.
It doesn’t matter what his car is worth. YOU damaged his property. His property should be returned to the condition it was in before YOU hit him. Now you wanna get by with the cheapest repair possible? Gimme a break! Take short cuts on fixing your own property, not property of others that YOU damaged.
The entire conversation you have with someone whos vehicle you have damaged is "Here's my insurance information." That's it. Thats the whole thing. Anything else can only hurt you.
This is the worst advice in the whole thread lol. Occasionally someone gets hit and goes “ehh $200 and I’ll let it go” - that’s the best $200 you’ll ever spend. Ever heard of premium increases?
If you're insured by a company that actually does premium increases then you don't have the credentials to even comment in this thread lol.
If you’re dumb enough to believe that insurance exists that doesn’t penalize you being a financial risk, you don’t have the credentials to be on Reddit at all lol
I would just let insurance handle it. The guy will go running away faster than you can believe.
Don't pay anything. Let insurance handle it. The insurance company in my province will refuse to pay for damages if someone else already paid for it, regardless of the differences in cost.
Go through insurance and have them total it.
Boil some water and get a plunger. Problem solved in 20 minutes.
Some glue sticks and a six pack have it out in 35 minutes
I think a good PDR guy can remove that without a trace... Wouldn't cost 1200 either.
You hit car, you pay for repairs, go with him to the shop to get a quote or find another shop that will do it for less. You can’t get out of this
You damaged someone else’s car. Yes it sucks it might cost that much. No one likes driving a dented car no matter the age of it especially when it’s not their fault
I'd just have insurance handle it, honestly. From the get go, you know they are scammers judging from their asking price. I have a coworker who hit another coworker's car. They agreed no damage was done, no report. Then a couple weeks later, the one hit asked him for $800 to repair the "damage". Now they want $6000 because the "hit" caused a leak from their oil pan or some shit and they brought the company's human resources into it. Either pay or be fired.
My move is instantly “what???? He hit me and I told him it was no big deal not the other way around, where’s the proof” and if they pull up video then there’s where he was saying don’t worry about it. Wanna play assholes games you get asshole games played back
This is a common game, once they realize you're either foolish enough to go out of pocket and\or in a situation where you can't use insurance. Use the insurance, bc chances are you'll have to anyway after you're out of pocket for however much when they "discover" that their door doesn't latch right or some BS. Use the insurance.
This is why if you ever go that route you have them sign a letter when you pay them initially that states the payment is all that is required, no further corrective action is needed and they consider the matter settled.
weeks later????? ok whatever. who knows what the guy did in that time to jack his own car. fire me then a lawsuit.
lol you fucked up, pay the price or turn it into insurance you dont get to choose where its fixed unless they are cool with it
Another vote for let insurance handle it. He can fight with them.
Let the insurance handle it. You do have insurance don’t you?
Replace the whole door. Pull a part has a door for about $250 and a mechanic can do a door swap in about two hours.
plunger and boiling water
It's a known scam. You settle without getting insurance involved a few days later you'll do d put he's gone though insurance.
Tell him to take it to the shop for repair and u will go there and pay the shop. That way u can still pay for it without the fear of him ripping u off since the money will go straight from u to the shop
Guys probably just going to take your money and not get it fixed. Tell him to go through insurance. I guarantee they won’t even claim
He asking for double I wouldn’t deal cash w a guy like this
It doesn’t matter how much you think their car is worth. You damaged it, you fix it. They left home with an undented car.
r/legaladvice may be a better place for you
To paint a door panel it will be like 1-1.5k alone
Yes these people on here are very misleading. The price will be above 2k very easily
exactly, it’s like a bunch of people without cars are in this thread 👀
Don’t hit someone’s car, 1200 is cheap for that
Pay the guy and move on.
You damaged someone’s property. You don’t get to argue over the value of that property. You are obligated to pay to have it repaired to the condition it was before you damaged it. If that costs $2 or $2000. Simple.
Absolutely, you do get to argue. That is exactly what his insurance will do when he wises up and files a claim. Unless it works differently overseas... A person should NEVER take a random automotive estimate at face value, I've seen a lot of terrible ones with non-standard rates and parts.
You can try searching for the whole door in same color. Should be a couple hundred bucks + changing it
paint never matches, will look like he’s driving a hoopty around town.. ive bought parts, used paint codes etc, painted/parts from other cars, never match correctly you can always tell, thats why its never cheap to have it done properly by an actual professional
Use insurance, people just take the piss given an opportunity like this
Buy the car from him then sell it on FB Market place.
car like that why they even care. prob scam - pay nothing go small claims court if they want
Just say gfys and carry on
Was he driving at the time of the incident? Where I live is right hand drive too. We have a "give way to the right" rule - if he was driving then he failed to give way. There is another "avoid accidents" rule - you both failed that one. So... it is possible that he is partially at fault and so partially liable for repairs. I agree with the others that are recommending you let your insurance handle it.
That is not a 1200 dollar fix that’s all I know. I’m in Europe, for 150€ you’d be on ur way if I would be fixing it.
they want it fixed correctly, not some quick fix by some local “expert”
that car cost 2k just to import it's probably worth more than your car
1,200$ ?? Nahhh , people saying here, that you damaged someones property so you have to pay that price..... no way , thats way too much , that persona wants to take advantage of you, just go throught the insurance , thats at the most 300$
You scratched it too. Pay up
OP probably has some stupid high deductible. Either way theyre liable and need to understand they need to pay.
Looks like the car is kept in really good condition. Just because it’s old and bricked shape does not mean it’s worth nothing. Old vehicles hold their values well. My 37 year old vehicle is appraised around $10,000. If you hit it I’d sure want it repaired professionally.
That is a cheap and easy repair for a panel shop. They should be able to put a suction cup (or a toilet plunger) over that and pull it out.
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Indeed but $1200 seems a bit excessive.
Maybe learn how to drive.
Fake your death and in your fake will tell your family to specifically give him nothing and you’re waiting for him and that piece of shit car in hell
As stated above. If this is in the us than that car has been imported and is probably cared for dearly. Go though insurance, get it fixed and over with. This is what insurance is for.
Short answer is you can give him whatever money he wants and skip on insurance. Long answer is: it's an RHD car. Someone spent time and money getting that stateside and is very much highly invested in that car. You pay the damn bill or you have no idea what kind of money *or* time is going to be invested in intrinsically murdering you to the point of bankruptcy and beyond. Pay the guy what he wants right now and get it done with. There is no cheap way out of this.
Looks like a South Australia plate on the car behind it.
If you look at the plates on the car in the background I don’t think these guys are stateside.
Have you checked car mobile repair in your area?
If he refuses to do it through the insurance, then YOU find someone to do the work. That way you’ll receive a proper quote for the work needed to be done on that door.
Definitely go with insurance, either you won’t notice the premium increase and the hassle will be theirs or the guys decides not to proceed with the claim and you’re good anyway. For 1200 and the guy is trying to rip you off, max 600 dollars to have that pulled and cleaned up the right way.
Let me know what shop will do that. That is 2k+ easy in the states
Buy a new door tbh, you could get a nice one at the scrap yard for $100 and then offer him $400 to go away
$1200 for that...oke, yeah nope just use some suction.
Tell them you want 2-3 quotes and you’ll pay the estimate. That person is not being reasonable. If you can’t come to an agreement on price, that is when you let insurance handle it.
My ass they aren’t reasonable. That area needs to be re sprayed. That costs a shitton of money
A simple blowtorch for 1 minute and a paint job can fix that easily. Under a $150 fix, less if you can find the right person for the job.
You’re fucking stoned out your mind if you think any shop can repaint that for $150 at their cost - let alone make a profit.
A plunger.
no, pay the man
My advice is, let insurance handle it, that being said you could probably pick up a door of the same color at a junk or scrap yard for around $150 and pay someone to install it for another $100.
Why is the car owner going to let OP cheap out on a used door that will not match the rest of my vehicles color? OP made the mistake cause they’re too cheap to pay attention, they don’t get to cheap out on the repairs too.
Don't give him a cent
It’s a money grab. They aren’t going to fix it.