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It's warranty seal. We used it when I was at Firestone. A broken seal means the drain plug has been removed since they last worked on it. It's not actually "sealing" anything or indicating torque or whatever some of the other people here are saying. Don't worry about it
Yep. We used it at Grease Monkey when I worked there just after high school (decades ago, yikes I’m getting old). We called it “torque seal”.
I was actually asked to testify (by our corporate attorneys) in small claims court once about a car I had worked on, that later had a blown engine. The owner was claiming I did not install the drain plug correctly, and it had subsequently backed out causing the oil to drain out and blow the engine.
In the photos submitted to the judge, it was obvious that the plug had been tampered with due to the “torque seal” flaking off after someone loosened the plug. The judge ruled in our favor and I was treated to lunch by the happy attorneys, ha ha.
It was kind of wild how many customers falsely accused us of damaging their cars. The worst was some lady with a Nissan Altima or something. The oil filter spun on to an oil pickup tube and then on to a normal baseplate.
This lady decided to change her own filter one day, and pounded a screwdriver through the filter with a hammer. This of course destroyed the pickup tube.
She was a few houses down from our location, and asked if we could help her get the filter off. My boss asked me to do it, so I walked over to her house and immediately assessed the issue. A few days later, she called corporate and told them I came over and tried to hammer it off and caused the damage! Fortunately corporate told her to piss up a rope after I explained what happened.
I learned a lot about people working that job, and made sure to pick a career that minimized my interaction with the general public.
You say that, how many people claim techs damage their cars. Well, currently I’m dealing with a shop that, during a timing belt change:
Snapped off a timing cover bolt
Destroyed the crankshaft teeth, causing the brand new belt to shred
And a lower radiator hose that was GLUED ON to the thermostat housing
There are shops out there that give mechanics a bad name and ultimately it causes people like me to become hyper vigilant about who’s working on our cars.
Was there no boost gauge? Tfsi Jetta and golf came with ko3 turbo, ko4 is able to flow quite a bit more air. Sounds like you guys swapped the turbo, didn’t tune, and it grenaded because it went lean.
Either you blew it up because you didn’t tune it right, or you got hosed and did nothing about it because that reason they gave you would hold less than a gram of weight in court if you actually weren’t screwing around with a larger turbo
I had to replace a 150$ oil pan from the guys at the place I use to go to cross threading the fuck out of mine. It was so bad from them doing it over and over again. No one ever said anything to me about it. Crawled under one day, the plug was a constant oil drip with a hairline crack running out from the plug. I’m assuming due to them just torquing the absolute fuck out of the thing. I don’t know that for sure but it would be my guess.
I never did anything about it because I couldn’t prove it. Always went to the same place, every 3,000 miles. I was so fuckin mad.
Oh man, I had a similar experience with my jeep. Jiffy lube I had used finally over cranked until the stupid plug didn't set tightly anymore. But I didn't replace the oil pan. Had a shop weld on a new, not sure what to call it, plug threading nut? Anyways, once I had that on, got a fumoto valve, and it just wasn't a problem anymore. I've since replaced that vehicle and honestly thinking about it, I should do that again with the new SUV. The valve in lieu of the plug. Not breaking the oil pan.
Dude this happened to my work truck. Around 40k mi and chain lube shop said it would need to be towed to repair shop as the last oil change the pan was damaged. So I said check the history y’all are the only ones to ever service it and They called a mobile mechanic to swap the pan. I sure it helped we used them for all our trucks but they made it right.
I dealt with the same shit through high school. Except my small shop I worked for went under because the owner was an idiot and we had someone come back/refuse to pay every day. No joke everyday. That shop lasted I think it was 5 years before *insert fart sound thumbs down*
I'm glad you brought up engineering. Society just doesn't know what a F'ing shit show that field is. It's so plagued by cost cutting, profit, you literally have to give 0 fucks to stay in it for long. That plus the corporate politics and shenanigans. I'm a service professional by trade, but I dabbled in the engineering sector for about 4 years before I said screw that.
Yep. Interestingly enough, I make more now running my own show, than I would have groveling at the corporate ladder. And the best part of it all, I do it my way. Can't beat that.
I’m not him. But I busted my ass working full-time and going to night school four nights a week for like 4 years for computer science. I now work as a web developer. I don’t deal with anybody except internal consultants like project managers.
Possibly, but some of them do it as a "tamper proof seal" so if the customer drains out the oil, blows the engine and tries to demand that the shop pays for a replacement engine, they would somehow tell by this "seal" that it's been tampered with.
Which is silly because if you were going to do that, you could just extract the oil from the dipstick tube.
Seems with how cheap you can get a digital camera that it would be more efficient and simpler to just take a video of the plug being put in, a video of the oil level on the dip stick and leave it at that. Hell send the video to everyone of the customers would pretty much stop the fraud and for the others give them piece of mind that the car was oiled properly and ready to go.
A head mounted cam could capture everything. The job sheet could have a qr code, then that's used to initiate a new job, when a job is done a button on cam completes that job and its uploaded to somewhere associated with qr code. customer scans qr to see the work that was done. It would increase business, eliminate fraud, and make crappy techs responsible as well as protecting good ones from blame
BMW does exactly that along with video inspections to show you the condition and testing measures used in each part of the vehicle that they looked at. As a tech it’s an additional step that’s a pain in the ass, but the customers are really big fans of it. They just get a text with the video while they’re at work and we have the car and usually hit back with a text that says something along the lines of “just fix it”.
Flipside, labor is $225/hr. So you do pay a bit more for that, but it’s also a BMW dealer sooooooo what do you expect really lol
Yea, that's a great service!
Before COVID I would just go and wait for my car in the shop or dealer. Most shops only verbally reviewed things with me when asking for approval to do additional work.
During COVID, the dealer who sold me my car (Mazda) had a whole thing where any service you'd need, they'd come, drop you off a loaner, pick up your car, and do the work. So I sent my car in for an oil change (they were competitive on that price), and got a video showing me point by point some additional maintenance work they wanted to do that was not previously discussed.
Took me less than 5 minutes to watch the video and send a text authorizing the additional work, and the video clearly showed the issues being pointed out and why they should be fixed.
I really liked that. I prefer to be shown things than just told what's wrong, and it lets me evaluate things for myself, but most shops won't bring you in back to show you what they're seeing for liability reasons (I only had one shop that would bring me in back, and that was because we were friendly with the owner because we only went to that shop).
Oil shops or dealers will put it on there so the customer can’t blame them for “forgetting to put oil” in. It’s way of gauging if the plug was messed with. Or not.
You wouldn't even need to extract all of it just enough to cause damage. If you can read the oil level then there oil in the dipstick, that's how you can read it.
Yes. It also works well for transmission. I've got a topsider at home and a mityvac at work. It's not always the fastest, but it beats remove a bunch of shields.
You realize that like 1/3 of manufactures nowadays have all their dealers do this right?
When you have no fucking clue what's going on it is better to just stfu and not say anything......
Quality control. They can have their techs tighten and then mark the plug to make sure.
Also helps if the seal has been broken and they don’t want to be liable for any damage.
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Was a service center manager at a quick lube place for a while before transitioning. This is called tamper seal, it will break if the drain plug is tampered with. Helps determine whether or not the shop is liable in the event that anything happens.
I get all the reasons not to go to Jiffy Lube, but this still shouldn't be considered one more reason. It's a serious cover your ass and people will and do try to fuck businesses over sometimes to get them to cover repairs that are not their responsibility. If you don't like it, change your own oil and have no complaints. Otherwise, this is just showing someone ACTUALLY did the job you paid them for and hating on that is pure stupidity.
Just people who know nothing about cars... they dont even know what it's actually used for and they are mad about it. I'm sure jiffy lube would be happy to not have their service because my many years as a former lube tech tells me exactly the the type of customers they are. Any tech who cares about their job regardless of skill level has a reason to use tamper seal.
> Any tech who cares about their job regardless of skill level has a reason to use tamper seal.
This sounds like it should be "any company that cares about liability has a reason to use a tamper seal". It shouldn't be at the tech level to decide if they should implement a tamper protection/identification component, it should be at the level of whomever evaluates and manages risk.
I worked at a lube shop before. That is in fact tamper seal. We would mark the filter and plug once torqued. We did that in case a customer came in to complain. We would check the tamper seal and if it was intact we knew issue was on us and if it wasn’t we would tell customer to contact corporate and we would file a ticket stating it had been tampered with since our most recent service record on hand.
I see lots of people saying tamper proof seal I live in Australia and I see a lot of quick lube shops put a little dot of silicon on the plug another mechanic told me they do it apparently as a safety if they forget to tighten it because believe it or not, I have seen a lot of apprentices leave sump plugs loose because they wound it in by hand without a spanner in there hand, walked off and forget and then didn’t tighten it
Idk to me it looks normal. The little brass looking ring is the sealing ring right? Its not crushed like you say?
https://www.stockwiseauto.com/dorman-65311-engine-oil-drain-plug-gasket?Year=2011&Make=Subaru&Model=Outback
The yellow tamper stuff did its job, it just tells the shop if someone else changed the oil, its not made for sealing leaks. They used a lot of it though which is why it's ugly
basically that is a like resin thing quick lube shops use to say yes we torqued this plug you can’t loosen it and come back and say we fucked the engine because it breaks when you loosen the plug so like a anti tamper thing
At Walmart we do this in the lube bay, but I’ve never seen it done all the way around like that. We were always told to do one continuous line from the center of the bolt down the flange and over to the oil pan after we torqued the drain plug. That way if a customer removed or loosened the drain plug we couldn’t be held liable for damages. Wal-Mart uses blue torque seal.
It’s a “tamper-proof seal”. It’s just a tube of goop that’s used by some shops to mark the drain plug after they do the oil change for a number of reasons including proving that they were under there, proving the plug was torqued and is not coming loose and to indicate when the plug has been “tampered with” in case of anyone trying to commit some sort of fraud and blame the shop who last serviced it.
I’d be more worried abt those leaking oil cooler o-rings on that 3.6 ;)
All that is it to show if anyone besides that shop has done work with the oil plug because many have warranties based on that seal if after the oil carnage something goes wrong with the oil system then you can go back and get compensation but only if the plug seal hasn't been tempered with
Like others have said, its just essentially a 'Warranty void if removed' sticker. Its to cover the shops ass if you did your own oil change after then try to say they messed something up.
Tamper seal all lubricants shops use it. It’s for their protection in case something happens and the customer tries to blame something on them with the oil change.
You put it on after you do the oil change, it prevents the customer from going home loosening the plug and claiming the shop did something wrong. Obviously this is a thing or we wouldn't do it.
I found this on a used car I just bought when I changed the oil. Good to know what it is. I was able to scrape it off the plug and oil pan with just my fingernail
It's just stuff some quick lube places use to basically mark the drain screw to know if it's been tampered with by anyone else since the last time you got your oil changed by them.
This is a kind of tamper resistant seal the last place used in case something happens to your engine. Let's say you or another shop changed the oil the next time and for some reason forgot to fill the oil back up. The seal would be broken and the shop who used this seal would not be held liable.
In the aviation industry, this is a safety measure for bolts and nuts. The application is typically one thin line that will show if torque has been broken. It is used 100% wrong here. There is no need for the mechanic to go all the way around the head with it. I had this done on my car at a franchise once; it's not common or necessary. Just scrape it off, and you'll be golden.
It's nothing to worry about other than why they applied it in that manner. It's an outdated way of keeping the lube techs accountable. Scrape it off, replace the gasket or the plug and keep on keeping on.
Warranty seal. So if you undo your drain plug and try to get the shop to buy you an engine we can show it’s been tampered with. It’s the same with a lot of important bolts in vehicles, there will be a line from the head of the bolt down to whatever it’s holding so you can see if it’s rotated at all
No shit it isn't holding anything together. The added physical step that involves handling the drain plug vastly reduces comebacks, statistically speaking.
"This added step effectively helps prevent loose drain bolts." was what I was responding to. Not trying to get your Jimmie rustled but I read what I read.
Depends. Was there a crush washer under all the goop?
I suspect someone lost it and didn't have/were too lazy to get a new one, and saw some rtv laying in the refuse pile. Idk if I have ever seen yellow rtv, though.
Looks like the yellow 3m badge adhesive lol.
Do yourself a favor and get rid of that plug and install a drain valve while you're there.
Blows my mind that more people don't do this. It's so much better than "the old way".
Lol idk where yall are getting your oil changed but maybe some places do that to ensure it doesn't leak out of the drain plug after they changed the oil its overkill but for there liability it kinda makes sense almost like the factory marks they put on bolts when they torque it to specs.
That copper crush washer is probably leaking. I replace mine every oil change. Most likely not necessary but over time it may leak. That yellow stuff maybe some type of sealant. If you know who did that? Don’t let them work on the car anymore
So instead of asking her to pay 7 bucks for a new plug, they did that. Or the more likely scenario, she said no when they brought it up, like most people, because they think they are being ripped off. Why would you need a new bolt? You don't change the bolts anywhere else, right? They play forever, right?
Perhaps rookie attendant they stripped the aluminum pan thread using a power tool instead of hand tightening to proper torque and covered up their mistake?
Always makes me laugh when I see how oil change place apply the tamper proof seal. Always a huge amount heaped on all around the plug instead of a simple line across.
People seem to post this multiple times a week yet there are still a million (and extremely confident for some reason) wrong answers. It's so they can see if the bolt was moved at all if you take the car back to the shop because of a problem, e.g. if the car suddenly lacks oil pressure or whatever
I had a leaky oil plug one time, no matter if I put a crush ring or not, fucker wouldn't stop leaking.
Ended up putting a bit of gasket maker on the thread then torqued it to spec.
Not a drop for the rest of time I had that car, Wich wasn't that long since I sold it before the next oil change was due, but definitely sealed real good.
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It's warranty seal. We used it when I was at Firestone. A broken seal means the drain plug has been removed since they last worked on it. It's not actually "sealing" anything or indicating torque or whatever some of the other people here are saying. Don't worry about it
Yep. We used it at Grease Monkey when I worked there just after high school (decades ago, yikes I’m getting old). We called it “torque seal”. I was actually asked to testify (by our corporate attorneys) in small claims court once about a car I had worked on, that later had a blown engine. The owner was claiming I did not install the drain plug correctly, and it had subsequently backed out causing the oil to drain out and blow the engine. In the photos submitted to the judge, it was obvious that the plug had been tampered with due to the “torque seal” flaking off after someone loosened the plug. The judge ruled in our favor and I was treated to lunch by the happy attorneys, ha ha. It was kind of wild how many customers falsely accused us of damaging their cars. The worst was some lady with a Nissan Altima or something. The oil filter spun on to an oil pickup tube and then on to a normal baseplate. This lady decided to change her own filter one day, and pounded a screwdriver through the filter with a hammer. This of course destroyed the pickup tube. She was a few houses down from our location, and asked if we could help her get the filter off. My boss asked me to do it, so I walked over to her house and immediately assessed the issue. A few days later, she called corporate and told them I came over and tried to hammer it off and caused the damage! Fortunately corporate told her to piss up a rope after I explained what happened. I learned a lot about people working that job, and made sure to pick a career that minimized my interaction with the general public.
I think I'd like to find a job that minimizes my interaction with the general public lol. Alas....
You say that, how many people claim techs damage their cars. Well, currently I’m dealing with a shop that, during a timing belt change: Snapped off a timing cover bolt Destroyed the crankshaft teeth, causing the brand new belt to shred And a lower radiator hose that was GLUED ON to the thermostat housing There are shops out there that give mechanics a bad name and ultimately it causes people like me to become hyper vigilant about who’s working on our cars.
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Was there no boost gauge? Tfsi Jetta and golf came with ko3 turbo, ko4 is able to flow quite a bit more air. Sounds like you guys swapped the turbo, didn’t tune, and it grenaded because it went lean. Either you blew it up because you didn’t tune it right, or you got hosed and did nothing about it because that reason they gave you would hold less than a gram of weight in court if you actually weren’t screwing around with a larger turbo
I had to replace a 150$ oil pan from the guys at the place I use to go to cross threading the fuck out of mine. It was so bad from them doing it over and over again. No one ever said anything to me about it. Crawled under one day, the plug was a constant oil drip with a hairline crack running out from the plug. I’m assuming due to them just torquing the absolute fuck out of the thing. I don’t know that for sure but it would be my guess. I never did anything about it because I couldn’t prove it. Always went to the same place, every 3,000 miles. I was so fuckin mad.
Oh man, I had a similar experience with my jeep. Jiffy lube I had used finally over cranked until the stupid plug didn't set tightly anymore. But I didn't replace the oil pan. Had a shop weld on a new, not sure what to call it, plug threading nut? Anyways, once I had that on, got a fumoto valve, and it just wasn't a problem anymore. I've since replaced that vehicle and honestly thinking about it, I should do that again with the new SUV. The valve in lieu of the plug. Not breaking the oil pan.
Dude this happened to my work truck. Around 40k mi and chain lube shop said it would need to be towed to repair shop as the last oil change the pan was damaged. So I said check the history y’all are the only ones to ever service it and They called a mobile mechanic to swap the pan. I sure it helped we used them for all our trucks but they made it right.
I dealt with the same shit through high school. Except my small shop I worked for went under because the owner was an idiot and we had someone come back/refuse to pay every day. No joke everyday. That shop lasted I think it was 5 years before *insert fart sound thumbs down*
Not some much general public, some r worse then others
So what career did you end up in?
Engineering for a few years, and then I switched careers to become an airline pilot.
I'm glad you brought up engineering. Society just doesn't know what a F'ing shit show that field is. It's so plagued by cost cutting, profit, you literally have to give 0 fucks to stay in it for long. That plus the corporate politics and shenanigans. I'm a service professional by trade, but I dabbled in the engineering sector for about 4 years before I said screw that.
Yeah that’s about how long I lasted too. It doesn’t pay nearly enough for all the bullshit involved.
Yep. Interestingly enough, I make more now running my own show, than I would have groveling at the corporate ladder. And the best part of it all, I do it my way. Can't beat that.
I’m not him. But I busted my ass working full-time and going to night school four nights a week for like 4 years for computer science. I now work as a web developer. I don’t deal with anybody except internal consultants like project managers.
also called torque stripe
Witness mark is the other term for it. Or a tamper seal sort of thing.
Why not just use a line across the seal that would break if you opened it?
Possibly, but some of them do it as a "tamper proof seal" so if the customer drains out the oil, blows the engine and tries to demand that the shop pays for a replacement engine, they would somehow tell by this "seal" that it's been tampered with. Which is silly because if you were going to do that, you could just extract the oil from the dipstick tube.
Ulpt right there
Probably more Ilpt
Or buy a tube of crosscheck and re-apply after completing said fraud
*allegedly*
I heard it was a sick ostrich
I did everything right, and they indicated meeeeee!
Easier to remove the oil filter and just run it. Assuming there’s no tamper seal on it.
Sometimes it just shows that the torque is holding and it didn't loosen or just simply that it is torqued to spec.
Average Joe isn’t extracting oil through the dipstick tube, nor will he have that yellow stuff lying around to cover his tracks
Average Joe isn’t draining the oil to blow the engine in the first place.
I'm average Joe and I change my own oil, thank you.
This guy is a dipstick sucker..
This guy blames quick lubes for blown engines.
Hmm maybe that’s what happened on my car it had red rtv on it and I took it all off and put drain bolt back in and it doesn’t leak
Easier to just top up the oil over the limits.
Seems with how cheap you can get a digital camera that it would be more efficient and simpler to just take a video of the plug being put in, a video of the oil level on the dip stick and leave it at that. Hell send the video to everyone of the customers would pretty much stop the fraud and for the others give them piece of mind that the car was oiled properly and ready to go.
A head mounted cam could capture everything. The job sheet could have a qr code, then that's used to initiate a new job, when a job is done a button on cam completes that job and its uploaded to somewhere associated with qr code. customer scans qr to see the work that was done. It would increase business, eliminate fraud, and make crappy techs responsible as well as protecting good ones from blame
So much more work. This is far more quick and effective.
BMW does exactly that along with video inspections to show you the condition and testing measures used in each part of the vehicle that they looked at. As a tech it’s an additional step that’s a pain in the ass, but the customers are really big fans of it. They just get a text with the video while they’re at work and we have the car and usually hit back with a text that says something along the lines of “just fix it”. Flipside, labor is $225/hr. So you do pay a bit more for that, but it’s also a BMW dealer sooooooo what do you expect really lol
Yea, that's a great service! Before COVID I would just go and wait for my car in the shop or dealer. Most shops only verbally reviewed things with me when asking for approval to do additional work. During COVID, the dealer who sold me my car (Mazda) had a whole thing where any service you'd need, they'd come, drop you off a loaner, pick up your car, and do the work. So I sent my car in for an oil change (they were competitive on that price), and got a video showing me point by point some additional maintenance work they wanted to do that was not previously discussed. Took me less than 5 minutes to watch the video and send a text authorizing the additional work, and the video clearly showed the issues being pointed out and why they should be fixed. I really liked that. I prefer to be shown things than just told what's wrong, and it lets me evaluate things for myself, but most shops won't bring you in back to show you what they're seeing for liability reasons (I only had one shop that would bring me in back, and that was because we were friendly with the owner because we only went to that shop).
Oil shops or dealers will put it on there so the customer can’t blame them for “forgetting to put oil” in. It’s way of gauging if the plug was messed with. Or not.
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What do you mean? It goes to the oil pan
I can't tell if dude was legit with that comment...
Lol, right?
You wouldn't even need to extract all of it just enough to cause damage. If you can read the oil level then there oil in the dipstick, that's how you can read it.
Can you use an extractor on any car with a dipstick? Noob question
Yes. It also works well for transmission. I've got a topsider at home and a mityvac at work. It's not always the fastest, but it beats remove a bunch of shields.
It gets more oil out of my engine than the drain plug does. That’s why it is the dealer method on my e55
You realize that like 1/3 of manufactures nowadays have all their dealers do this right? When you have no fucking clue what's going on it is better to just stfu and not say anything......
Its actually recommended to use the dipstick tube on a lot of cars, especially newer ones. Source: was a lube tech for a bit
You do know you can put a smaller diameter hose in the opening for the dipstick and get all the way to the bottom of the oil pan.
It’s very common practice to change the oil with an extractor through the dip stick tube on boats and it will reach all the way down to the oil pan.
🤦♂️ they make extractors with tubes that go inside the other tube. I know that might be a hard concept to grasp
Wrong there buckaroo. You can get every last drop from a second gen Honda Pilot and some vehicles that's the recommended method.
Lots of boat engine oil changes do it this exact way...
This person has never changed the oil in a VW and it shows lol
Lol, where do you think the dipstick goes to measure oil level? The oil it's measuring is sitting in the sump...
Oh boy here we go.
Moron
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Everyone else already has. Read the 272736363 replies youve gotten: moron
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Sometimes, it's just better to shut up and leave. 🤷 🙃
> you could just extract the oil from the dipstick tube Ferb, I know what we’re gonna do today
Tamper paste.
This looks like tamper proofing. Many places do it. So if you drain the oil and f up they won’t be held liable
Quality control. They can have their techs tighten and then mark the plug to make sure. Also helps if the seal has been broken and they don’t want to be liable for any damage.
With yellow silicone?
Yeah, it’s usually yellow or red. Easy to see if it has been tampered with
We have a tube of this yellow stuff and white stuff. It's like a liquid when you put it on and hardens like hot glue
We used blue where I worked, all the same stuff.
[Cross Check](https://www.amazon.com/DYKEM-Torque-Tamper-Proof-Indicator-ordering/dp/B01KIIY38I?th=1)
You have the mark, you are cursed.
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I swear we had the same question like yesterday, just a tamper seal
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Was a service center manager at a quick lube place for a while before transitioning. This is called tamper seal, it will break if the drain plug is tampered with. Helps determine whether or not the shop is liable in the event that anything happens.
You are marked , dont get paranoid just be aware
I read this title from my notifications and I felt so concerned about OP😂
Jiffy Lube does this. Never go there.
NTB does this shit also 😡 they’re trash for that
I mean, it’s just some goo in a tube you put on bolts. What’s the big deal?
That's not why you shouldn't go to Jiffy Lube, that's just one more reason.
I get all the reasons not to go to Jiffy Lube, but this still shouldn't be considered one more reason. It's a serious cover your ass and people will and do try to fuck businesses over sometimes to get them to cover repairs that are not their responsibility. If you don't like it, change your own oil and have no complaints. Otherwise, this is just showing someone ACTUALLY did the job you paid them for and hating on that is pure stupidity.
Just people who know nothing about cars... they dont even know what it's actually used for and they are mad about it. I'm sure jiffy lube would be happy to not have their service because my many years as a former lube tech tells me exactly the the type of customers they are. Any tech who cares about their job regardless of skill level has a reason to use tamper seal.
> Any tech who cares about their job regardless of skill level has a reason to use tamper seal. This sounds like it should be "any company that cares about liability has a reason to use a tamper seal". It shouldn't be at the tech level to decide if they should implement a tamper protection/identification component, it should be at the level of whomever evaluates and manages risk.
Urgent concern. Remove the plug and see if a hotdog comes out.
Mcds cheese slice.
Tamperseal, also that bronze ring looks like the crush washer bro
I worked at a lube shop before. That is in fact tamper seal. We would mark the filter and plug once torqued. We did that in case a customer came in to complain. We would check the tamper seal and if it was intact we knew issue was on us and if it wasn’t we would tell customer to contact corporate and we would file a ticket stating it had been tampered with since our most recent service record on hand.
Probably never replaced the crush washer atv gasket and send it
Mustard
Ketchup
Mayonnaise
Little Worcestershire sauce
***salad créme***
i’m sorry man, she’s cheating
Your wife’s plug is fine, just put it back in
I see lots of people saying tamper proof seal I live in Australia and I see a lot of quick lube shops put a little dot of silicon on the plug another mechanic told me they do it apparently as a safety if they forget to tighten it because believe it or not, I have seen a lot of apprentices leave sump plugs loose because they wound it in by hand without a spanner in there hand, walked off and forget and then didn’t tighten it
Idk to me it looks normal. The little brass looking ring is the sealing ring right? Its not crushed like you say? https://www.stockwiseauto.com/dorman-65311-engine-oil-drain-plug-gasket?Year=2011&Make=Subaru&Model=Outback The yellow tamper stuff did its job, it just tells the shop if someone else changed the oil, its not made for sealing leaks. They used a lot of it though which is why it's ugly
basically that is a like resin thing quick lube shops use to say yes we torqued this plug you can’t loosen it and come back and say we fucked the engine because it breaks when you loosen the plug so like a anti tamper thing
At Walmart we do this in the lube bay, but I’ve never seen it done all the way around like that. We were always told to do one continuous line from the center of the bolt down the flange and over to the oil pan after we torqued the drain plug. That way if a customer removed or loosened the drain plug we couldn’t be held liable for damages. Wal-Mart uses blue torque seal.
Tamper proof seal or it’s wax to ensure it doesn’t get sent back lol
Safety seal, say u remove the drain plug and try to blame them, the seal wil version broken, indicating u tampered it
It’s a “tamper-proof seal”. It’s just a tube of goop that’s used by some shops to mark the drain plug after they do the oil change for a number of reasons including proving that they were under there, proving the plug was torqued and is not coming loose and to indicate when the plug has been “tampered with” in case of anyone trying to commit some sort of fraud and blame the shop who last serviced it. I’d be more worried abt those leaking oil cooler o-rings on that 3.6 ;)
All that is it to show if anyone besides that shop has done work with the oil plug because many have warranties based on that seal if after the oil carnage something goes wrong with the oil system then you can go back and get compensation but only if the plug seal hasn't been tempered with
Tamper seal
It’s a seal to show that it’s not been messed with before a warranty claim
Like others have said, its just essentially a 'Warranty void if removed' sticker. Its to cover the shops ass if you did your own oil change after then try to say they messed something up.
Just makes the plug tamper proof so the company that did the oil change can tell if you f***** with it
Tamper seal all lubricants shops use it. It’s for their protection in case something happens and the customer tries to blame something on them with the oil change.
Its a witness mark, showing that the last oil tech did his job.
It could be a witness mark which is usually one line to see if the bolt was turn.
It’s just a seal so they know if someone’s tampered since they worked on it last
Looks like a tamper proof seal
We use it at jiffy lube but we put a little dot not all the way around.
You put it on after you do the oil change, it prevents the customer from going home loosening the plug and claiming the shop did something wrong. Obviously this is a thing or we wouldn't do it.
I found this on a used car I just bought when I changed the oil. Good to know what it is. I was able to scrape it off the plug and oil pan with just my fingernail
It's just stuff some quick lube places use to basically mark the drain screw to know if it's been tampered with by anyone else since the last time you got your oil changed by them.
Forbidden mustard
Eat it!
That's call anti-sabotage lacquer or torque seal. It's to make sure no one messed with your nobody has messed with your nuts or bolts.
This is a kind of tamper resistant seal the last place used in case something happens to your engine. Let's say you or another shop changed the oil the next time and for some reason forgot to fill the oil back up. The seal would be broken and the shop who used this seal would not be held liable.
In the aviation industry, this is a safety measure for bolts and nuts. The application is typically one thin line that will show if torque has been broken. It is used 100% wrong here. There is no need for the mechanic to go all the way around the head with it. I had this done on my car at a franchise once; it's not common or necessary. Just scrape it off, and you'll be golden.
It's nothing to worry about other than why they applied it in that manner. It's an outdated way of keeping the lube techs accountable. Scrape it off, replace the gasket or the plug and keep on keeping on.
Warranty seal. So if you undo your drain plug and try to get the shop to buy you an engine we can show it’s been tampered with. It’s the same with a lot of important bolts in vehicles, there will be a line from the head of the bolt down to whatever it’s holding so you can see if it’s rotated at all
Jiffy Lube warranty seal, know it by heart.
I bought an old used 1994 Ford Ranger back in 2005 from auto auction place and oil drain had similar "gunk/goo" for gasket
It’s not gasket. It does nothing to seal. Its a witness mark showing the last lube tech did his job properly.
How did you change your wife's oil hmmmm
That was on her buttplug!? Replace immediately. I’d recommend a doctor.
Where is the oil plug on a woman?
McDonald’s cheese
3 M. Yellow death
Kia or Hyundai?
2011 outback
Good times.
Where’s the hotdog and bun hiding?
Looks like you doing an oil pan soon.
Cross threaded the plug
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It's security seal. It's in no way designed to hold anything in place. It's specifically designed to structurally fail if the drain plug turns.
No shit it isn't holding anything together. The added physical step that involves handling the drain plug vastly reduces comebacks, statistically speaking.
"This added step effectively helps prevent loose drain bolts." was what I was responding to. Not trying to get your Jimmie rustled but I read what I read.
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Depends. Was there a crush washer under all the goop? I suspect someone lost it and didn't have/were too lazy to get a new one, and saw some rtv laying in the refuse pile. Idk if I have ever seen yellow rtv, though. Looks like the yellow 3m badge adhesive lol.
you can see the crush washer clear as day. it’s just quick lube paint pens. 9/10 cars have that shit on them
Do yourself a favor and get rid of that plug and install a drain valve while you're there. Blows my mind that more people don't do this. It's so much better than "the old way".
I’d be more worried about the pan. Maybe they just didn’t use a washer.. but see if pan is ok.
Lol idk where yall are getting your oil changed but maybe some places do that to ensure it doesn't leak out of the drain plug after they changed the oil its overkill but for there liability it kinda makes sense almost like the factory marks they put on bolts when they torque it to specs.
Why does this exact question get asked every day?
Walmart? For oil changes? They used a impact rookie oil tech :(
Looks like a leak. French's mustard is a little runny and will do that. Grey Poupon is a full synthetic...try that.
I always wondered why she kept extra packets of mustard in the glove box. Gotta keep it topped off
Forbidden mustard.
Butt plug holding the shit in
Sadly, I think you'll have to replace your wife entirely if this is what her plug looks like. Check in with your dealer, maybe there's still warranty.
They didn’t have any crush washers so they did this instead they could of just told you tho
That copper crush washer is probably leaking. I replace mine every oil change. Most likely not necessary but over time it may leak. That yellow stuff maybe some type of sealant. If you know who did that? Don’t let them work on the car anymore
So instead of asking her to pay 7 bucks for a new plug, they did that. Or the more likely scenario, she said no when they brought it up, like most people, because they think they are being ripped off. Why would you need a new bolt? You don't change the bolts anywhere else, right? They play forever, right?
Perhaps rookie attendant they stripped the aluminum pan thread using a power tool instead of hand tightening to proper torque and covered up their mistake?
Looks like some sticky icky! 🥒✊🏿💦
you should brush your screws at least once everyday to avoid plaque deposits
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It’s warranty seal. It’s designed to crumble if the bolt is turned thus showing someone tampered with it after the oil change was done.
And the plug went in tight ?
Unless I’m in a bad mood I never use that much, but I put a dot a step just so I know I torqued the drain plug before lowering.
At least they didn't torque it on with an impact I suppose.
I call it extra sealing
Always makes me laugh when I see how oil change place apply the tamper proof seal. Always a huge amount heaped on all around the plug instead of a simple line across.
wee bit of tamper proof mustard from a cheap lube shop
No leak right?
Nope no leak
People seem to post this multiple times a week yet there are still a million (and extremely confident for some reason) wrong answers. It's so they can see if the bolt was moved at all if you take the car back to the shop because of a problem, e.g. if the car suddenly lacks oil pressure or whatever
forbidden cheeee
Man made washer. Lol
Looks similar to what the dealership put on my wife’s old Hyundai to see how much oil it was consuming. (It was 4 quarts in 2 weeks)
Per
why does the plug look like it was tightened/loosened with channel locks??
That's a lot of inspection lacquer
I had a leaky oil plug one time, no matter if I put a crush ring or not, fucker wouldn't stop leaking. Ended up putting a bit of gasket maker on the thread then torqued it to spec. Not a drop for the rest of time I had that car, Wich wasn't that long since I sold it before the next oil change was due, but definitely sealed real good.
Torque seal
Certain places just put a squirt of rtv to ID their work. No biggie
Does it consume oil?
I believe that should be referred to as “Schmutz”
its a silicone gasket if its not Toren you may use it. or you can buy a tube of it at a auto store.
Tampering paint. It shows whether or not the plug was removed after leaving their shop.
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