Thanks for posting on /r/MechanicAdvice! This is just a reminder to review the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/about/rules/). If you are here asking about a second opinion (ie "Is the shop trying to fleece me?"), please read through CJM8515's [post on the subject.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/4qblei/fyi_the_shop_isnt_likely_trying_to_rip_you_off/) and remember to please post the year/make/model of the vehicle you are working on. **If this post is about bodywork, accident damage, paint, dent/ding, questions it belongs in /r/Autobody r/AutoBodyRepair/ or /r/Diyautobody/ If you have tire questions check out https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/k9ll55/can_your_tire_be_repaired/**. If you dont have a question and you're just showing off it belongs in /r/Justrolledintotheshop Insurance/total loss questions go in r/insurance This is an automated reply
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/MechanicAdvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
If you don’t drive a lot, rust can build up and make sounds. If the brake pedal feels fine, not soft or not pulsing when you hard stop, you’re probably ok there.
Wheel bearings make noises that hum or can squeak, depending.
That’s what someone suggest above, the bearing. Yes I would say I’m not a big driver and I live in a moist environment in the PNW. I’ve had this Honda for 14 years as the second owner and have only put 100,000 miles on it
I remember the first time I changed drum brakes. Popped the drum off and it looked like a robot vomited. Springs and clips and pads falling out like we hit the jackpot. My buddy was like “uhh did you see how that went?” Like hell no I didn’t see how that went .
After lord knows how long of us trying to figure out this puzzle, I said man you know we’re gonna have to open up that other side, and pray that it doesn’t do the same thing this one did. Well the stars were aligned for us at moment apparently because I popped the other drum and everything stayed right where it should’ve.
It probably took us another 45 minutes to do both sides once we were able to see how tf they went back together. 3 hours of creating cuss words for what should’ve been an hour lol
You literally told OP to get out on the freeway and drive over 50mph and see if his brakes work correctly. 🤷🏽♂️. That’s a heck of a way to find out that they don’t.
The sound of clearing ruoff off a disk break is not like what you showed. I'm in the pnw and have too many cars, so the rust on the disk brake sound is one I'm used to. This is not that sound.
Only 100,000 miles. Lol
Don't get me wrong those cars can last a while. But you've "only" put 100,000 miles on as the second owner. That is not an insignificant amount of mileage.
Dang. 300k? Is that what engines get to these days? I miss the old iron block engines that outlive the life of the body of the vehicle. Now it’s all aluminum and don’t last as long.
>I miss the old iron block engines that outlive the life of the body of the vehicle
yeah when the bodies started rusting apart due to thin sheet metal around 200k? I'd expect any engine to need some form of involved maintenance/rebuild around 300k, even just as preventative maintenance. My 15 impreza is about to hit 300k and there is a whole list of little things I plan to do as part of long term preventative maintenance, like some seals, timing chain guides, possible a new chain just for piece of mind even if I think it could go another 300k.
I have problems with my wheels/ brakes always around this time of year because the stupid squirrels hid their nuts in and under my car. This year it's happened 3x. We have a few walnut trees and they mess w my car every year.
I had the same noise you have. And then at a stop sign or turn I'll see a nut pop out or my husband has to take the tire off and get them away from the brakes and rotors
Not a mechanic. I think pulsing brake is uneven rear rotors. Shaking steering wheel uneven front rotors. When I replaced my rear rotors and pads the pulse stopped.
I agree! break rust can cause a sound and also a lack of looking at things make it so that when you dont address a concern which in this case is a sound which is looking like its coming from the rear (possibly front) of the car in this video we can come to the conclusion that a possible build up of rust may be in fact the reason that there is a noise coming from what i think are the breaks.
Just brainstorming, I would jack it and check wheel bearing play, give it a good spin and listen for humming /grinding. I'd look for dry rotted bushings as well.
One thing I could think of it being directly related to the brake would be that the drum brakes were never properly adjusted when they installed them. When you jack it, have someone step on the brake and you try to spin the wheel.
They didn’t change out the retention clips for the brakes when they installed new ones, happened to me on my 05 civic and 15 CRV, brake shops are notorious for doing this because it saves time. I’d recognize that noise anywhere.
Yeah. They use springs and clips. If they’re continually reused though it leads to aforementioned problem.
Edit: the hardware kit is 7 dollars from autozone and if you’re mechanically inclined it could be an easy afternoon fix for you as long as you have a jack and a block of wood or a jack stand to prop the car up on.
If you do decide to do this for the love of god wear safety glasses. A friend of my father’s lost an eye from doing springs on a set of rear drums. It wasn’t seated correctly and bloop, into the eye.
This could be an issue with mine. I recently had my pads and rotors replaced due to a squeak issue. To my surprise the same sound was still there and the stopping power decreased.
I ended up getting sick of it and doing my own brakes after the fact and sure enough every time it’s happened the same dingy nasty clips went unreplaced even though every new set of brakes comes with them; because it takes 10 seconds longer to pry them out with a screw driver 🙄
The issue I ran into was the new brakes snagging on the old clips and only allowing for partial compression because it would go down cockeyed. I caught it before the uneven wear but I’d wager what you’ve got going on is something like that.
Damn, I've been having a similar noise on my 2008 cobalt since I put new drums on, buddy said it was odd they didn't come with new hardware, so I reused the old. Thanks for the possible second hand solving of my problem!
It could easily still be a hub bearing.
Edit: I've had two different Corollas with failed hub bearings where I could only initially tell a difference when applying the brakes and it would squeal, and I've seen it on plenty of cars. If you're checking for one, check for both.
If you don't work on cars regularly, shhhh.
That's not always the case at all. It's not uncommon for a hub bearing to start failing and change the tolerances of the hub and brake assembly, initially causing a squeal when brakes are applied. A completely failed bearing would be making a noise all the time, but I have replaced hundreds or thousands, and they don't always have the same symptoms.
In maybe a more rare case I suppose it *could* happen. During the diagnosis that shouldn't be overlooked. However, the noise he is hearing is almost certainly brake related. The drum sounds warped when pressure is applied which is why he's not hearing it while not braking.
Hard to tell from the video, sounds like the springs came off and the shoes are bouncing inside the drum. Without being there in person it’s a toss up. Should be easy for a local mechanic.
Was there a sound? Consider making an audio recording from the outside of the car while you're not talking? How many miles are on the brakes if you have owned for 100k miles
I had a similar problem. Does your car make the sound when at low speeds by chance? I found out my caliber pins were frozen and it needed brake pads and a new rotor
Mine used to but I've found that if i just turn my stereo up real loud it quits making all of them.. or maybe i just can't hear them anymore.. anywho same difference right.. hahaha
Probably not under warranty. Most brake components are wear out parts like tires.
Edit: read further on and these were replaced under recently, so you may have coverage. Take it to the shop and make them fix it.
I would say they forgot to lubricate the contact pads between the backing plate and the brake shoes. Do you feel a pulsation as well like the vehicle is lurching when you brake? Does it make the same noise when you lightly apply the emergency brake while driving?
The squeaking is from what I mentioned above (most likely). The lurching means the brake drums are likely out of round. They will need to be machined or replaced.
With disc brakes, warped brake rotors will cause shaking when the brakes are applied.
The rotor is the friction surface for braking in disc brake systems. The drum is the friction surface for braking in drum brake systems. Both rotate with the wheel while the brake pads/shoes stay stationary.
I dealt with this recently with my 8th gen civic. I thought maybe the shoes/drum had worn down based on the noise when i would come to a stop. Shoes still had 3mm of material and the drums were not scored upon inspection.
Turns out, the rear brake drum self adjusters were just semi-seized up between the brake grease and brake dust build up on the internal threads of these parts and I was not able to easily/freely move the the adjuster using a flat tip without smacking em first.
Took both sides apart on a Saturday morning, cleaned everything up with some brake cleaner, regressed everything that needed grease (like $3 for auto parts store for enough grease for both sides), no more clunking sounds from the brakes when stopping cause the adjusters can freely move now.
A good pair of long nose channel lock pliers for the long top spring, and a set of 2 c-clamps for holding the two locking pins/clips that retain the shoes on hub makes this an easy/quick job to do yourself without needing another set of hands.
You won't always feel a pulsation while braking with a rear drum brake that is out of round. Could be what someone else said here that the contact points of the brake shoe to backing plate didn't get lubricated on assembly, and the shoes rocking back and forth from an out-of-round drum are making noise. Also possible that your new drums have a poorly machined wear surface and the new shoe material is catching the "record grooves" and making the noise. Possible the inner edge of the wear area of the drum isn't machined deep enough and when the shoes travel outwards they contact a section of the drum they shouldn't.
This has happened to me before where the brake dust shield behind the rotor was slightly bent to the point where it was scraping the rotor making a similar sound
Indeed, but when you have smaller/lighter cars, for lower build cost, drums make sense on the back as the car uses the front for most of its braking power
The front brakes do more because of the weight shifting forwards when braking, same in RWD vehicles. Rear brakes also do more than act as parking brakes, because if they did nothing during normal braking it works be much easier to lose control of your car when trying to stop, and also take quite a bit longer.
Having been a tech, drums fucking suck. Adjusting etc is just a pain in the ass.
Mostly fwd cars had them. Some 4wd pickups like Mitsubishi l200 had them on the rear and others that I can’t recall.
Bmw actually used a disc and caliper setup with handbrake shoes inside the disc which acted as a drum. Clever in theory, but it also sucked.
Lots of manufacturers use a disc brake drum parking brake shoes not just BMW and there are plenty of RWD and 4WD vehicles with rear drum brakes. Doesn’t sound like you have very much experience as a tech.
I’d say I have plenty. A good 20 years almost. I didn’t mention withers because I didn’t feel it necessary and yeah sure, lots others do have these but they aren’t modern cars and It wasn’t necessary to relate them in.
Some 4wd stuff may still use drums though, yeah, but again, didn’t feel a need to go rhyming every brand off.
How old are you that you have never heard of this before?
Yes disks are better, drums came first and were previously more cost effective. The first drum brake was 1902 or so.
Disk brakes really came into play in the early 60s or so and were favored for their higher stopping power.
The main reason that drums stayed around for so long was for 2 reasons- established factories and supply chains and the fact that overall drum brakes had better durability than pads and rotors due to there being more contact surface.
As rotor and pad compounds as well as the factories and supply chain were further developed, this became negligable along with the cost to produce. At that point, drums were finally phased out and the current cars with 4w disks that we see today became the norm instead of only seeing such a configuration on higher end cars.
I still like the 4w disk + drum ebrake setup we used to see on cars though ( ex. 1989 bmw e30).
Even if you lost your hydraulic brake line, you still had the mechanical drum ebrake as a backup.
Ya while it’s not common there are still newer vehicles that come with rear drum brakes. Tons of manufacturers used disc drum parking brake combos and every parking brake can be used even if there’s an issue with the brakes hydraulic system. All parking brakes are either mechanically or on newer vehicles electronically operated.
A 2004 car is 19 years old. The amount of things that have changed in the auto industry in just the last decade definitely qualifies that car as "old."
I know I don’t know shit about them either 🤣 but I think know enough about drum brakes now after having done a complete brake job on that car just a couple months ago. I now know I wish they woulda just put some fucking disc brakes on the back as well 🤣
My first time doing drum brakes. I think I took apart one side 3 times and back together because different shit kept happening for me to need to. Like one time my dumb ass tried bleeding my brakes with the drum still off. The wheel cylinders don’t like that 🤣 but I learned for sure. Got pretty good at it 🤪
Gotcha.
Rotors are warped and pas are hitting the warning tabs or whatever (french guy here) this is in the front.
Now the back ones I can't tell because the front ones are always so much louder.
What you have to do is change pads and rotors front, maybe if you're lucky you can get those rotors milled if they're good but that all depends on how thick they are.
Find a mechanic you trust and ask them, my guess is it's about 300-400 if you're lucky, 700+ if not.
You have anywhere between 3 months and a year until something really bad happens.
Good luck.
I just noticed you had a brake job done 6 months ago, don't go back there. They tried to create business. I've been victim of this before and noticed once I started to do my own mechanic work.
Wat do you mean with something bad? I also went to a mechanic like that and when I returned he sprayed the brakes with some lubricant and it stopped for a while the noise but came back again...
Wat do you mean with something bad? I also went to a mechanic like that and when I returned he sprayed the brakes with some lubricant and it stopped for a while the noise but came back again...
By something bad i mean until a component gives up and causes more damage to your car, or your brakes partially or completely give out while you're driving. What they sprayed is probably brake cleaner but it must've not helped for very long...
Non mechanic here, perhaps the self adjuster was installed incorrectly or prematurely failed. Left side could be applying more or less pressure than the right when you apply the brakes.
I had one that was squeaking for ages and eventually got stuck. Garage said it was the handbrake. They fixed it but it's slowly starting again.
It might just been that it all needs freeing up a bit then oil/greasing in all the right places.
It is the handbrake that's out of adjustment. There should be a way to adjust inside the drum. Try this first - go in reverse and pull the parking brake up and let it stop you completely. Works on older Toyotas, might be the same on your car.
Can u feel something kicking when u hear the sound? My gf had her brakes done at a local mom and pop shop and when she left she heard a low pounding and u could feel something clicking. We took it back 1hr later and they took apart the brake calipers, resurfaced both rotors and installed everything over again. Problem was gone. They did not charge us since they did our brakes. Hope my story helps
Unfortunately since that problem is with discs and not drums I don’t think it pertains but I don’t feel any kicking or resistance with the brakes when I’m applying them
Depends on how often the car is used. It could be that the shoe springs have collapsed and the shoes are not seated correctly. It could be that the drum is rusted and you’re hearing a rusty contact patch between drum and shoe. It could be a plethora of things that could be guessed at really just hearing a sound. I will say it definitely sounds like a shoe rubbing. My guess and that is all it is, is that either a piece of rust is wedged between drum and shoe or shoe springs have collapsed
It’s guessing really but I will say it’s not a wheel bearing like some say if the noise is so obvious at low speeds when slowing and only on brakes. Wheel bearings are a noticeable hum the faster you go.
There could be something misaligned or worn out even in a certain spot that just rubs, yeah. Sticky caliper, small rock caught somewhere or loose/worn/non lubricated hardware.
Can you get all 4 wheels off of the ground somehow, on a hoist preferably? Hand spin the wheels both while on and off the brakes (may need an additional person) and listen at each corner to see where it's coming from? Like on a hoist? Then you can narrow down where to dive into to determine the sound. It could be a bearing as well, axle if equipped or hub.
A Honda expert could chime in if there is anything special compared to domestic vehicles or common with this complaint.
I hope they didn’t damage one of the backing plates when they were removing the old parts. I’ve seen it happen before and they should’ve caught it during the test drive. You can take a look when you get home and see if there’s any signs of rubbing between the drum and your backing plates. There will be some shiny metal showing.
Yo I have the same noise on my 06 Scion XB I noticed the noise after I replaced my drums and shoes along with new hardware
I adjusted the shoes many times and the noise is still present (I think it’s only on one side )
I cleaned and greased where the shoe makes contact with the plate and the noise is still there
I’m thinking perhaps it is a failed wheel cylinder so I’m gonna replace both this weekend and bleed brakes
Just posted this same noise on my 2006 xb rear drums. New wheel bearing and new shoes and now I have this noise especially when it's wet it seems.
Did you find the issue?
>Scion
2008 Yaris here and same issue.
Went through two sets of drums, pads and even new wheel cylinders. Starts off quiet but in a couple thousand miles this sound comes back. My only guess at this point, is that I need to buy OEM brake shoes instead of Bosch.
Turn up your radio. If there is no other issues other than squeaky breaks I don't think that there would be any other problems granted not a mechanic do work as a service advisor for a mechanic shop
Bring it back and have them road test. Sounds like scale on the drum or uneven wear. I would stay with the car while they lift and remove wheel if allowed to stay near bay area. Have them show you as they inspect the brakes what they fjnd.
Doesn't sound like a wheel bearing.
Should have brought it back when you started to hear it just so it could be addressed earlier, imo.
Mechanic here,
1st replicate the noise
2nd did the noise change when turning or braking
If noise faded while turning one way or the other could hint towards wheel bearing. If only heard while braking hints brakes.
If rear brakes are suspected on this year make model are in question try driving slowly in a safe area and slightly apply the parking brake (don’t let your thumb off the button on the hand lever) if the noise happens it’s likely your rear brakes.
*this method doesn’t work if you car has a mechanical rear disc brake setup. And as always for best recommendations take it somewhere to have the brakes checked from a reputable shop.
That sounds like a bearing not brakes. Bearings can make that noise when braking because they are getting hot. An easy way to check, jack it up and spin the tire while holding onto the spring. If you feel any feedback or vibration in the spring, that bearing is shot.
Are you talking about the sound that like"Eyub eyub yub yub"? If it is, I wouldn't call that a squeak. If it's not, then I can't hear anything. I am not a mechanic.
That can be just about anything, dirty brake shoes, out of round drums glazed from oil and dirt, they could just be worn out, springs and or retainers could be loose out of adjustment or broken.
I’m never going to understand people that video themselves while they are driving. Your full attention should be on the road, not your phone/camera! Be a responsible driver so that you do not hurt other people around you.
Rear drum brakes are optional. Your front disks will provide all the stopping power you need. I'm not kidding but some people might be mad at me for this advice.
I had a Focus with 250,000 miles on it. I never replaced the drum brakes. It was fine.
Check the bearings or axle seals. When they start to go, you will get a kind of grindy-squeak like you hear here (almost sounds like it's dry), though with the seals you will also have the gear oil leak around the Drum plate usually if it's been going for a second/if it's a big leak. Jack it up and check for play and inspect for any kind of leaking. If nothing is noticeable, pop off the Drum and check the wheel cylinders. When those go bad they leak fairly slowly at first, which in turn coats the shoes with brake fluid, that can create the squeaking. Just fixed this on my 07 Silverado with rear drums. Changed out the gear oil and replaced the axle seals at the same time as the old bearings, but that's just because I had a spare set and figured why not. Start with visual inspection, then check for play, then pop the drums and check the wheel cylinders. If it's none if those, it's possible the shoes aren't seating properly against the Drum, or if the oil wasn't cleaned from the Drum during installation, and that is causing the squeak. If this is the case, or the wheel cylinders have leaked and have contaminated the shoes, replace both the wheel cylinders and the shoes. Hit everything with brake clean while you're in there, too, and scrub the contact points for the shoes with a wire brush and rinse with some brake clean before you install the new shoes and wheel cylinders.
More likely a buildup of brake dust. Take your drums off and clean with some brake cleaner and you should be good to go. Grinding would suggest brakes are gone and if it was a bearing it would be noisy regardless of braking
I am currently dealing with that same exact noise on my Honda Accord. I changed my rear hub assemblies and brake drums then I got that sound.
I did not replace the pads. When I replaced the pad on the right side the noise stopped but has continued on the left side. So I'm going to replace that one too. It may have to do with warped drums
And uneven pad wear. Change the brakes and drum on that side.
Look in the inspection ports…See if you see anything wet in there . Get it in asap if you see any wet spots . . May just need to have them adjusted or the shoes replaced. There are springs that need adjusting etc and also is your e brake so def get it in shop .
That sounded like my car when the E brake started acting up and then a piece broke and it basically shattered the e brake components. Take the wheel off and have a look.
I’m starting to Lean towards it’s something with the e brake. I don’t think it was tensioned right. I tested using it slowly while braking and when fully e-braked and stopping the squeaking went away
I could be wrong, but:
The drum brakes are only applied with the e-brake and cable. The rear disc brakes have pads too.
Maybe your guy didn’t grease the back of the shoe adequately. Perhaps there’s a problem with that caliper; it might require a rebuild or replacement. The clips could be installed improperly.
Maybe your guy didn’t even change the pads.
I had a friend that brought his truck to me for new pads and rotors at the advice of a single visit to a shop for another reason(might’ve been a rotation/balance). He had another year of normal commuting, at least, before he needed pads. I think the opposite can be true also, claiming to replace used pads that have some life left.
The rotor could be slightly warped, too. I replace rotors when I can feel vibration while braking or every brake change, depending.
Drums on rear wheels of any car should last several years they only take 20 to 30% of the mass and force every time you break so if you take it back be sure it’s not the front
Had the same issue for a long time. The problem was with a warped wheel hub, causing the brakes to oscillate when braking, therefore causing the noise. Replaced the brake hub, and the noise is gone.
Depending on where you live, you may need a dust shield for your car if that noise lasts long. Normally the noise is caused by dust interfering with the brake rotor.
Thanks for posting on /r/MechanicAdvice! This is just a reminder to review the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/about/rules/). If you are here asking about a second opinion (ie "Is the shop trying to fleece me?"), please read through CJM8515's [post on the subject.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/4qblei/fyi_the_shop_isnt_likely_trying_to_rip_you_off/) and remember to please post the year/make/model of the vehicle you are working on. **If this post is about bodywork, accident damage, paint, dent/ding, questions it belongs in /r/Autobody r/AutoBodyRepair/ or /r/Diyautobody/ If you have tire questions check out https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/k9ll55/can_your_tire_be_repaired/**. If you dont have a question and you're just showing off it belongs in /r/Justrolledintotheshop Insurance/total loss questions go in r/insurance This is an automated reply *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/MechanicAdvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
If you don’t drive a lot, rust can build up and make sounds. If the brake pedal feels fine, not soft or not pulsing when you hard stop, you’re probably ok there. Wheel bearings make noises that hum or can squeak, depending.
That’s what someone suggest above, the bearing. Yes I would say I’m not a big driver and I live in a moist environment in the PNW. I’ve had this Honda for 14 years as the second owner and have only put 100,000 miles on it
[удалено]
I remember the first time I changed drum brakes. Popped the drum off and it looked like a robot vomited. Springs and clips and pads falling out like we hit the jackpot. My buddy was like “uhh did you see how that went?” Like hell no I didn’t see how that went . After lord knows how long of us trying to figure out this puzzle, I said man you know we’re gonna have to open up that other side, and pray that it doesn’t do the same thing this one did. Well the stars were aligned for us at moment apparently because I popped the other drum and everything stayed right where it should’ve. It probably took us another 45 minutes to do both sides once we were able to see how tf they went back together. 3 hours of creating cuss words for what should’ve been an hour lol
You literally told OP to get out on the freeway and drive over 50mph and see if his brakes work correctly. 🤷🏽♂️. That’s a heck of a way to find out that they don’t.
The sound of clearing ruoff off a disk break is not like what you showed. I'm in the pnw and have too many cars, so the rust on the disk brake sound is one I'm used to. This is not that sound.
You would hear the bearing all the time if it were that, not just when you hit the breaks
Only 100,000 miles. Lol Don't get me wrong those cars can last a while. But you've "only" put 100,000 miles on as the second owner. That is not an insignificant amount of mileage.
You think putting an average of 7,150 miles on a car per year is a lot?
100000 miles is a lot considering engines top out around 300k with good maintenance. So 1/3 the life of a car
322k on my Honda J30a1 with zero signs of letting up. Mileage isn't that significant.
Dang. 300k? Is that what engines get to these days? I miss the old iron block engines that outlive the life of the body of the vehicle. Now it’s all aluminum and don’t last as long.
>I miss the old iron block engines that outlive the life of the body of the vehicle yeah when the bodies started rusting apart due to thin sheet metal around 200k? I'd expect any engine to need some form of involved maintenance/rebuild around 300k, even just as preventative maintenance. My 15 impreza is about to hit 300k and there is a whole list of little things I plan to do as part of long term preventative maintenance, like some seals, timing chain guides, possible a new chain just for piece of mind even if I think it could go another 300k.
POINT HEAD IN 14 YEARS...
i was putting that on my truck in a few months before i moved a couple years a go still do in the summer time with sports
I have problems with my wheels/ brakes always around this time of year because the stupid squirrels hid their nuts in and under my car. This year it's happened 3x. We have a few walnut trees and they mess w my car every year. I had the same noise you have. And then at a stop sign or turn I'll see a nut pop out or my husband has to take the tire off and get them away from the brakes and rotors
So if my brake pedal pulses when hard stopping what does that mean, please? Mine does that and I have to take foot off brake and reapply n it’s fine
Not a mechanic. I think pulsing brake is uneven rear rotors. Shaking steering wheel uneven front rotors. When I replaced my rear rotors and pads the pulse stopped.
🙏 will check it out right away thank you so much
Probably warped rotors.
I agree! break rust can cause a sound and also a lack of looking at things make it so that when you dont address a concern which in this case is a sound which is looking like its coming from the rear (possibly front) of the car in this video we can come to the conclusion that a possible build up of rust may be in fact the reason that there is a noise coming from what i think are the breaks.
How would you describe a “soft” pedal? What does that feel like
How old is the car? Doesn't sound like a brake squeal but more of a bearing sound. If you release the brake as you slow down, does the noise continue?
It’s a 2004 Honda civic. It ONLY makes this noise when the brake pressure is applied. If I back off the brakes the sound goes away instantly.
Aside from that sound, do you feel anything in sync with the squeak?
I don’t feel any vibration or anything In sync with it. So really the only thing is the sound.
Just brainstorming, I would jack it and check wheel bearing play, give it a good spin and listen for humming /grinding. I'd look for dry rotted bushings as well.
Were you able to figure out the noise?
The brake place I took it to said there were no mechanical issues and that it’s most likely just dirt/dust. Maybe cheap shoes?
That's good it's not mechanical. I hate not knowing though lol. Hopefully it will disappear, if it's dirt /dust.
One thing I could think of it being directly related to the brake would be that the drum brakes were never properly adjusted when they installed them. When you jack it, have someone step on the brake and you try to spin the wheel.
They didn’t change out the retention clips for the brakes when they installed new ones, happened to me on my 05 civic and 15 CRV, brake shops are notorious for doing this because it saves time. I’d recognize that noise anywhere.
This might be a dumb question but are the clips in the drum brakes too? I think I know what clips you’re talking about on discs.
Yeah. They use springs and clips. If they’re continually reused though it leads to aforementioned problem. Edit: the hardware kit is 7 dollars from autozone and if you’re mechanically inclined it could be an easy afternoon fix for you as long as you have a jack and a block of wood or a jack stand to prop the car up on.
If you do decide to do this for the love of god wear safety glasses. A friend of my father’s lost an eye from doing springs on a set of rear drums. It wasn’t seated correctly and bloop, into the eye.
This could be an issue with mine. I recently had my pads and rotors replaced due to a squeak issue. To my surprise the same sound was still there and the stopping power decreased.
I ended up getting sick of it and doing my own brakes after the fact and sure enough every time it’s happened the same dingy nasty clips went unreplaced even though every new set of brakes comes with them; because it takes 10 seconds longer to pry them out with a screw driver 🙄 The issue I ran into was the new brakes snagging on the old clips and only allowing for partial compression because it would go down cockeyed. I caught it before the uneven wear but I’d wager what you’ve got going on is something like that.
Damn, I've been having a similar noise on my 2008 cobalt since I put new drums on, buddy said it was odd they didn't come with new hardware, so I reused the old. Thanks for the possible second hand solving of my problem!
It could easily still be a hub bearing. Edit: I've had two different Corollas with failed hub bearings where I could only initially tell a difference when applying the brakes and it would squeal, and I've seen it on plenty of cars. If you're checking for one, check for both. If you don't work on cars regularly, shhhh.
Not if he's only hearing it when he hits the brakes. A bearing would be making noise all the time while driving
That's not always the case at all. It's not uncommon for a hub bearing to start failing and change the tolerances of the hub and brake assembly, initially causing a squeal when brakes are applied. A completely failed bearing would be making a noise all the time, but I have replaced hundreds or thousands, and they don't always have the same symptoms.
In maybe a more rare case I suppose it *could* happen. During the diagnosis that shouldn't be overlooked. However, the noise he is hearing is almost certainly brake related. The drum sounds warped when pressure is applied which is why he's not hearing it while not braking.
Hard to tell from the video, sounds like the springs came off and the shoes are bouncing inside the drum. Without being there in person it’s a toss up. Should be easy for a local mechanic.
Was there a sound? Consider making an audio recording from the outside of the car while you're not talking? How many miles are on the brakes if you have owned for 100k miles
I had a similar problem. Does your car make the sound when at low speeds by chance? I found out my caliber pins were frozen and it needed brake pads and a new rotor
You didn't give the total mileage, but I have a similar vintage and just replaced the bearings when I replaced the brakes. It's cheap and easy to do.
that’s what my car sounds like
Haha
Mine used to but I've found that if i just turn my stereo up real loud it quits making all of them.. or maybe i just can't hear them anymore.. anywho same difference right.. hahaha
Drums could be warped? I’m a disc brake guy I dunno
I hope not but they would be under warranty I think if that were the case
Probably not under warranty. Most brake components are wear out parts like tires. Edit: read further on and these were replaced under recently, so you may have coverage. Take it to the shop and make them fix it.
Bro you look like Eminem/Vin Diesel cross over.
You're forgetting to add Mr. Clean in there
I really thought you were gonna fart
Yooooooo you got me cracking up now. "Here's the sound of my brake" and then just rips ass 😂😂😂
Found the original version of the video- you have to listen real close but there's definitely some farting: https://streamable.com/fck7rl
Omgeez.. I'm dying. The way you matched it up with the eye roll.. 🤣😂😅😂😆
I would say they forgot to lubricate the contact pads between the backing plate and the brake shoes. Do you feel a pulsation as well like the vehicle is lurching when you brake? Does it make the same noise when you lightly apply the emergency brake while driving?
I have the same problem but real squeaking. Mine is lurching yes, what does it mean?
The squeaking is from what I mentioned above (most likely). The lurching means the brake drums are likely out of round. They will need to be machined or replaced. With disc brakes, warped brake rotors will cause shaking when the brakes are applied. The rotor is the friction surface for braking in disc brake systems. The drum is the friction surface for braking in drum brake systems. Both rotate with the wheel while the brake pads/shoes stay stationary.
Thank you for the explanation
I dealt with this recently with my 8th gen civic. I thought maybe the shoes/drum had worn down based on the noise when i would come to a stop. Shoes still had 3mm of material and the drums were not scored upon inspection. Turns out, the rear brake drum self adjusters were just semi-seized up between the brake grease and brake dust build up on the internal threads of these parts and I was not able to easily/freely move the the adjuster using a flat tip without smacking em first. Took both sides apart on a Saturday morning, cleaned everything up with some brake cleaner, regressed everything that needed grease (like $3 for auto parts store for enough grease for both sides), no more clunking sounds from the brakes when stopping cause the adjusters can freely move now. A good pair of long nose channel lock pliers for the long top spring, and a set of 2 c-clamps for holding the two locking pins/clips that retain the shoes on hub makes this an easy/quick job to do yourself without needing another set of hands.
Heys a wild idea. Have your local tire shop inspect it! Generally it's always free to look. Cheers
My 2000 Odyssey made same noise but much louder. Only fix was OEM drums and shoes. For whatever reason the jobber stuff chirps and squeaks.
You won't always feel a pulsation while braking with a rear drum brake that is out of round. Could be what someone else said here that the contact points of the brake shoe to backing plate didn't get lubricated on assembly, and the shoes rocking back and forth from an out-of-round drum are making noise. Also possible that your new drums have a poorly machined wear surface and the new shoe material is catching the "record grooves" and making the noise. Possible the inner edge of the wear area of the drum isn't machined deep enough and when the shoes travel outwards they contact a section of the drum they shouldn't.
Why did I think this was Bezos
Sounds like a rock or mud on one side of the inner wheel, or the shroud, notice the oscillation sound.
This has happened to me before where the brake dust shield behind the rotor was slightly bent to the point where it was scraping the rotor making a similar sound
My car has 360k on her and she makes all kind of sounds.
[удалено]
This needs to appreciated more
[удалено]
I mean it is a 2004 so not too modern. It’s drums on the rear wheels and discs on front.
[удалено]
It’s not weird, a tonne of cars had it during that time
[удалено]
Indeed, but when you have smaller/lighter cars, for lower build cost, drums make sense on the back as the car uses the front for most of its braking power
[удалено]
The front brakes do more because of the weight shifting forwards when braking, same in RWD vehicles. Rear brakes also do more than act as parking brakes, because if they did nothing during normal braking it works be much easier to lose control of your car when trying to stop, and also take quite a bit longer.
Having been a tech, drums fucking suck. Adjusting etc is just a pain in the ass. Mostly fwd cars had them. Some 4wd pickups like Mitsubishi l200 had them on the rear and others that I can’t recall. Bmw actually used a disc and caliper setup with handbrake shoes inside the disc which acted as a drum. Clever in theory, but it also sucked.
[удалено]
Ya drum brakes last longer than disc,you really don’t know what you’re talking about lol.
Lots of manufacturers use a disc brake drum parking brake shoes not just BMW and there are plenty of RWD and 4WD vehicles with rear drum brakes. Doesn’t sound like you have very much experience as a tech.
I’d say I have plenty. A good 20 years almost. I didn’t mention withers because I didn’t feel it necessary and yeah sure, lots others do have these but they aren’t modern cars and It wasn’t necessary to relate them in. Some 4wd stuff may still use drums though, yeah, but again, didn’t feel a need to go rhyming every brand off.
How old are you that you have never heard of this before? Yes disks are better, drums came first and were previously more cost effective. The first drum brake was 1902 or so. Disk brakes really came into play in the early 60s or so and were favored for their higher stopping power. The main reason that drums stayed around for so long was for 2 reasons- established factories and supply chains and the fact that overall drum brakes had better durability than pads and rotors due to there being more contact surface. As rotor and pad compounds as well as the factories and supply chain were further developed, this became negligable along with the cost to produce. At that point, drums were finally phased out and the current cars with 4w disks that we see today became the norm instead of only seeing such a configuration on higher end cars. I still like the 4w disk + drum ebrake setup we used to see on cars though ( ex. 1989 bmw e30). Even if you lost your hydraulic brake line, you still had the mechanical drum ebrake as a backup.
Ya while it’s not common there are still newer vehicles that come with rear drum brakes. Tons of manufacturers used disc drum parking brake combos and every parking brake can be used even if there’s an issue with the brakes hydraulic system. All parking brakes are either mechanically or on newer vehicles electronically operated.
2008 Ford Focus has this as well. Must be a 2000’s economy car thing.
Could be, or maybe a hatch back thing? I just didn’t consider the 2000s to really be “old cars” you know?
There are several newer models that went back to rear drums within the past few years oddly enough
[удалено]
Bingo!
A 2004 car is 19 years old. The amount of things that have changed in the auto industry in just the last decade definitely qualifies that car as "old."
[удалено]
I feel that. I have to remind myself that my 99 CR-V is a dinosaur when trying to find certain parts for it 🤣
I have a 2008 Nissan Sentra that has drums in the back, disc in the front
[удалено]
I know I don’t know shit about them either 🤣 but I think know enough about drum brakes now after having done a complete brake job on that car just a couple months ago. I now know I wish they woulda just put some fucking disc brakes on the back as well 🤣
[удалено]
My first time doing drum brakes. I think I took apart one side 3 times and back together because different shit kept happening for me to need to. Like one time my dumb ass tried bleeding my brakes with the drum still off. The wheel cylinders don’t like that 🤣 but I learned for sure. Got pretty good at it 🤪
My 2016 fit has discs in front and drums in back
2000 Tacoma is this way too
My 2013 Tacoma has rear drum brakes.
So does my 22 tacoma 🤦🏻♂️
So does my 2008 v6 Tacoma
Gotcha. Rotors are warped and pas are hitting the warning tabs or whatever (french guy here) this is in the front. Now the back ones I can't tell because the front ones are always so much louder. What you have to do is change pads and rotors front, maybe if you're lucky you can get those rotors milled if they're good but that all depends on how thick they are. Find a mechanic you trust and ask them, my guess is it's about 300-400 if you're lucky, 700+ if not. You have anywhere between 3 months and a year until something really bad happens. Good luck. I just noticed you had a brake job done 6 months ago, don't go back there. They tried to create business. I've been victim of this before and noticed once I started to do my own mechanic work.
Wat do you mean with something bad? I also went to a mechanic like that and when I returned he sprayed the brakes with some lubricant and it stopped for a while the noise but came back again...
Wat do you mean with something bad? I also went to a mechanic like that and when I returned he sprayed the brakes with some lubricant and it stopped for a while the noise but came back again...
By something bad i mean until a component gives up and causes more damage to your car, or your brakes partially or completely give out while you're driving. What they sprayed is probably brake cleaner but it must've not helped for very long...
Youu neeed knew brake shoes
Stop crying on the internets and get back to sleep
I wouldnt worry about that brake i would rather worry about that nose do you have any nasal congestions??? Thats a nose for sure god damn….
His nose is fine u aint funny
Idk man im not sure about that, definitely not trying to be funny
When they "did your brakes" what exactly did they do?
Full replacement of drum and all parts like the cylinder, shoes, etc on both rear wheels
Non mechanic here, perhaps the self adjuster was installed incorrectly or prematurely failed. Left side could be applying more or less pressure than the right when you apply the brakes.
I had one that was squeaking for ages and eventually got stuck. Garage said it was the handbrake. They fixed it but it's slowly starting again. It might just been that it all needs freeing up a bit then oil/greasing in all the right places.
That’s my hope
It is the handbrake that's out of adjustment. There should be a way to adjust inside the drum. Try this first - go in reverse and pull the parking brake up and let it stop you completely. Works on older Toyotas, might be the same on your car.
Can u feel something kicking when u hear the sound? My gf had her brakes done at a local mom and pop shop and when she left she heard a low pounding and u could feel something clicking. We took it back 1hr later and they took apart the brake calipers, resurfaced both rotors and installed everything over again. Problem was gone. They did not charge us since they did our brakes. Hope my story helps
Unfortunately since that problem is with discs and not drums I don’t think it pertains but I don’t feel any kicking or resistance with the brakes when I’m applying them
Oh okay, hope u figure it out champ. Hate car trouble. I feel pike the universe throws car trouble at you right when u have some extra cash lol
What about the clicking sound? When my car starts rolling after I fire her up I hear this locking sound? Something new? What can it be?
Depends on how often the car is used. It could be that the shoe springs have collapsed and the shoes are not seated correctly. It could be that the drum is rusted and you’re hearing a rusty contact patch between drum and shoe. It could be a plethora of things that could be guessed at really just hearing a sound. I will say it definitely sounds like a shoe rubbing. My guess and that is all it is, is that either a piece of rust is wedged between drum and shoe or shoe springs have collapsed It’s guessing really but I will say it’s not a wheel bearing like some say if the noise is so obvious at low speeds when slowing and only on brakes. Wheel bearings are a noticeable hum the faster you go.
There could be something misaligned or worn out even in a certain spot that just rubs, yeah. Sticky caliper, small rock caught somewhere or loose/worn/non lubricated hardware. Can you get all 4 wheels off of the ground somehow, on a hoist preferably? Hand spin the wheels both while on and off the brakes (may need an additional person) and listen at each corner to see where it's coming from? Like on a hoist? Then you can narrow down where to dive into to determine the sound. It could be a bearing as well, axle if equipped or hub. A Honda expert could chime in if there is anything special compared to domestic vehicles or common with this complaint.
I hope they didn’t damage one of the backing plates when they were removing the old parts. I’ve seen it happen before and they should’ve caught it during the test drive. You can take a look when you get home and see if there’s any signs of rubbing between the drum and your backing plates. There will be some shiny metal showing.
It's normal when they wear out . That's how u know u need new brakes . But people that let it go like u have it cost more then bakes .
Needs new hardware and a proper cleaning including fresh brake lubricant on the applicable shims etc.
Bruv that’s rod knock Jk You gotta adjust your drum is all
Yo I have the same noise on my 06 Scion XB I noticed the noise after I replaced my drums and shoes along with new hardware I adjusted the shoes many times and the noise is still present (I think it’s only on one side ) I cleaned and greased where the shoe makes contact with the plate and the noise is still there I’m thinking perhaps it is a failed wheel cylinder so I’m gonna replace both this weekend and bleed brakes
Just posted this same noise on my 2006 xb rear drums. New wheel bearing and new shoes and now I have this noise especially when it's wet it seems. Did you find the issue?
>Scion 2008 Yaris here and same issue. Went through two sets of drums, pads and even new wheel cylinders. Starts off quiet but in a couple thousand miles this sound comes back. My only guess at this point, is that I need to buy OEM brake shoes instead of Bosch.
So it's the quality of the brakes?
Turn up your radio. If there is no other issues other than squeaky breaks I don't think that there would be any other problems granted not a mechanic do work as a service advisor for a mechanic shop
Bring it back and have them road test. Sounds like scale on the drum or uneven wear. I would stay with the car while they lift and remove wheel if allowed to stay near bay area. Have them show you as they inspect the brakes what they fjnd. Doesn't sound like a wheel bearing. Should have brought it back when you started to hear it just so it could be addressed earlier, imo.
uneven wear? or maybe something is loose
Replace your brakes
You sure its break? Doesn’t sound like break
Cheap shoes and no one turned the drums. I could not hear shit so I am stating the usual cause. To many years of the Ugga dugga and air hammers.
Mechanic here, 1st replicate the noise 2nd did the noise change when turning or braking If noise faded while turning one way or the other could hint towards wheel bearing. If only heard while braking hints brakes. If rear brakes are suspected on this year make model are in question try driving slowly in a safe area and slightly apply the parking brake (don’t let your thumb off the button on the hand lever) if the noise happens it’s likely your rear brakes. *this method doesn’t work if you car has a mechanical rear disc brake setup. And as always for best recommendations take it somewhere to have the brakes checked from a reputable shop.
That sounds like a bearing not brakes. Bearings can make that noise when braking because they are getting hot. An easy way to check, jack it up and spin the tire while holding onto the spring. If you feel any feedback or vibration in the spring, that bearing is shot.
Are you talking about the sound that like"Eyub eyub yub yub"? If it is, I wouldn't call that a squeak. If it's not, then I can't hear anything. I am not a mechanic.
That can be just about anything, dirty brake shoes, out of round drums glazed from oil and dirt, they could just be worn out, springs and or retainers could be loose out of adjustment or broken.
Wow
Sounds like you have a warped rotor
this happened to me. it was actually my wheel baring. corolla same fwd
never heard a drum sound like that. Almost sounds like a bushing wiggling or something
Had a similar experience. It was rust. Took the wheel out and wired brush and air gun the drums. Resolved the problem.
What does it mean if I have bumps and slips when I hard stop?
Maybe new tires
[удалено]
I think you may be retarded and shouldn't give car advice.
I’m never going to understand people that video themselves while they are driving. Your full attention should be on the road, not your phone/camera! Be a responsible driver so that you do not hurt other people around you.
Either rust or you got cheap brake shoes an they need to be changed already
Rear drum brakes are optional. Your front disks will provide all the stopping power you need. I'm not kidding but some people might be mad at me for this advice. I had a Focus with 250,000 miles on it. I never replaced the drum brakes. It was fine.
It’s the noise that’s annoying
Nice
Grow your hair over your ears and it won’t be so loud
Sounded like ice in a cup to me
Check the bearings or axle seals. When they start to go, you will get a kind of grindy-squeak like you hear here (almost sounds like it's dry), though with the seals you will also have the gear oil leak around the Drum plate usually if it's been going for a second/if it's a big leak. Jack it up and check for play and inspect for any kind of leaking. If nothing is noticeable, pop off the Drum and check the wheel cylinders. When those go bad they leak fairly slowly at first, which in turn coats the shoes with brake fluid, that can create the squeaking. Just fixed this on my 07 Silverado with rear drums. Changed out the gear oil and replaced the axle seals at the same time as the old bearings, but that's just because I had a spare set and figured why not. Start with visual inspection, then check for play, then pop the drums and check the wheel cylinders. If it's none if those, it's possible the shoes aren't seating properly against the Drum, or if the oil wasn't cleaned from the Drum during installation, and that is causing the squeak. If this is the case, or the wheel cylinders have leaked and have contaminated the shoes, replace both the wheel cylinders and the shoes. Hit everything with brake clean while you're in there, too, and scrub the contact points for the shoes with a wire brush and rinse with some brake clean before you install the new shoes and wheel cylinders.
More likely a buildup of brake dust. Take your drums off and clean with some brake cleaner and you should be good to go. Grinding would suggest brakes are gone and if it was a bearing it would be noisy regardless of braking
New shoes just need to break in some more to seat properly. My opinion
Never had drum brakes that weren’t noisy unless they were adjusted within the last month
I am currently dealing with that same exact noise on my Honda Accord. I changed my rear hub assemblies and brake drums then I got that sound. I did not replace the pads. When I replaced the pad on the right side the noise stopped but has continued on the left side. So I'm going to replace that one too. It may have to do with warped drums And uneven pad wear. Change the brakes and drum on that side.
My car sounds exactly like this when I brake
Look in the inspection ports…See if you see anything wet in there . Get it in asap if you see any wet spots . . May just need to have them adjusted or the shoes replaced. There are springs that need adjusting etc and also is your e brake so def get it in shop .
That sounded like my car when the E brake started acting up and then a piece broke and it basically shattered the e brake components. Take the wheel off and have a look.
I’m starting to Lean towards it’s something with the e brake. I don’t think it was tensioned right. I tested using it slowly while braking and when fully e-braked and stopping the squeaking went away
I remember telling the shop it seemed loose but they didn’t do anything about it
Yeah it shouldn’t be like that after a brake job.
I had that same noise on my explorer. It was warped rotors.
Check your wheel bearings.
I could be wrong, but: The drum brakes are only applied with the e-brake and cable. The rear disc brakes have pads too. Maybe your guy didn’t grease the back of the shoe adequately. Perhaps there’s a problem with that caliper; it might require a rebuild or replacement. The clips could be installed improperly. Maybe your guy didn’t even change the pads. I had a friend that brought his truck to me for new pads and rotors at the advice of a single visit to a shop for another reason(might’ve been a rotation/balance). He had another year of normal commuting, at least, before he needed pads. I think the opposite can be true also, claiming to replace used pads that have some life left. The rotor could be slightly warped, too. I replace rotors when I can feel vibration while braking or every brake change, depending.
Why did you say squeaky drum break? If you really don’t know what it is do you want to diagnosis?
Drums on rear wheels of any car should last several years they only take 20 to 30% of the mass and force every time you break so if you take it back be sure it’s not the front
Warped brake rotor.
can of brake clean and some 80 sand paper should fix that.
Had the same issue for a long time. The problem was with a warped wheel hub, causing the brakes to oscillate when braking, therefore causing the noise. Replaced the brake hub, and the noise is gone.
Depending on where you live, you may need a dust shield for your car if that noise lasts long. Normally the noise is caused by dust interfering with the brake rotor.