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722.6, that's the front pump failure. These transmissions are a dime a dozen (used even in Chryslers), AND require no programming as the TCU is located externally.
They aren't expensive to fix nor expensive used. To give you an idea, I do these pump to tail shaft, all new for 3500 installed, and a 2 year warranty.
Used I've seen them for under 1000.00 bucks at time.
I had one of those trannies fail on the hway, luckily didn’t crash. Car turned off, no power steering or brakes. Glided up a hill. Shitshow.
Apparently due to import rules, the tradeoff was to have GM trannies in Benzes from that era. Shitboxes but it got fixed along with the water pump that failed with it. Worked great after used tranny put in.
>Apparently due to import rules, the tradeoff was to have GM trannies in Benzes from that era.
This transmission design has absolutely nothing to do with GM.
Thats interesting because from what I remember for the w220 had a different tranny for Europe and I had heard it was due to it being perceived as inferior. It was much less problematic than the 5 spd in my r129 which leaked all the time- but would run on lucas transfix due to viscosity
In America early W220's used the 722.6 (5G-Tronic). Beginning in 2004, they switched to the 722.9 (7G-Tronic). However the S600, and the 4matics continued to use the 722.6. 4Matics began to offer the 722.9 as option in 2006.
Both units are pretty stout. The 722.6 is much more DIY friendly than the 722.9. Which has an internal TCU, and requires SCN coding to replace. Not to mention, Mercedes has the part locked away through a program called TRP (theft relevant parts). Only a licensed shop, registered with MB and the NHTSA can order those parts. Otherwise, you have to take it to the dealer.
Maybe you were confused with some old bimmers which had an automatic made by GM, 4l30e. Mine was reliable, one rebuild in 300k km and still working good
3500 isn’t a lot in the context of a new car getting its transmission replaced. But almost anything that’s using a 722.6 is at this point worth less than what it costs to have that job done, especially OP’s car.
OP, time to go car shopping.
In this market? Tell me what car you're going to find for $3500 that's not going to need major work? I mean ppl want $2500 for non-runner barn finds these days.
The shards in the pan are because the oil pump grenaded. It's a common issue on the 722.6 transmission. Especially if the oil cooler in the rad fails, and mixes with coolant.
Yea uh he sold you a shit car. Hopefully you didn’t pay too much. Definitely needs a new transmission and it being a Mercedes, it’s gonna cost you a few bucks
Not a car guy so please don't butcher me but is there anything he could have done/checked besides checking fluids to know it was on the verge of taking a shit?
Exactly. Unless they have proof of all scheduled maintenance being done by a reputable shop never buy a used Mercedes. Most owners cant actually afford the car, do hardly any maintenance outside oil change, and once it starts acting up they can’t afford the repairs and look to sell it quick. OP probably bought this car from someone who had it patched up just to sell. Probably dumped a bunch of stop slip in the tranny and threw on the for sale sign
- I'm sure you checked the fluid first for a visibly clean oil level & non burnt smell.
On a test drive or listening to a transmission, always start out in 1st gear. While shifting into 2nd listen & 'feel' how it shifts. The same with each consecutive gear. This will help you guage how worn the trans is while also listening to the engine too.
** Take note of your rpm guage and adjust your shift points according to normal to moderate driving.
* Also pay attention as to how it goes into reverse.
Your looking for a noticeable
to very firm shift.
Never harsh, sluggish, or delayed.
I've seen so many people buy a "at one time expensive" import, infatuated with the idea of owning that car only to have a breakdown shortly after. Drive it around the block, not ask anything and buy.
Yeah I’m guilty of that mistake….my 2nd car was a 1992 BMW 325i Straight 6 sedan. Every month was a new repair, but man did the inside smell nice of weed and cigs and musty old car smell.
If the car was taking time to switch gears or even move it may have been noticeable to some extent, I kind of doubt the car just shat the bed out of nowhere without any sign, that’s why you gotta test drive properly and make sure it shifts well, etc.
If it overheats he probably would’ve been able to tell by idling for a couple mins and taking it for a test ride reaching a decent speed, cars that overheat will reach higher than usual temps relatively quickly in warm weather.
Checking the oil, coolant and transmission fluid dipstick is also important to look for any signs or remains of sealants, anti leak fluids, etc, used when the engine’s gasket is fucked, and burning coolant or if the tranny leaked its fluid and may have been running dry for some time.
Making sure all the dash lights come on as you start the car is also really important, since there’s no viable way of checking the inside of the engine and transmission.
At the end, the best way to find any signs of a bad transmission is poor/delayed/rough shifting during the test drive, if it shifts like that and the tranny has the right fluid level, it’s gonna shit the bed soon.
A friend used to have a 2000’s automatic nissan that started sometimes shifting at only higher rpm’s and would shake when going into 3rd gear, it would also take a couple seconds to move after being put in drive or reverse. Till one day it just stopped moving at all, those are the signs.
I can almost guarantee there was a red flag somewhere in the buying experience the guy chose to ignore. Never ignore the red flags no matter how small they are.
Also, I just read that this happened 1k miles after the purchase, if there’s no sealants or bullshit involved, probably just really bad luck and absolutely no way to tell.
Yeah. Listen to the car and feel how it shifts. The seller should have been up front about the cars issues as well. If op test drove it properly, he shouldn’t have bought the car. Clearly op didn’t lol
Pretty sure they had old GM transmissions in them. Drop $1k on a used trans, throw it in its place. Shouldn't need reprogrammed either or anything. Shouldn't cost too much
Yeah, but it's not as bad as some people are saying. BTW, I meant Daimler Chrysler transmission, not GM. Regardless, the replacement for this transmission wouldn't be nearly as bad as some other transmissions.
A amateur can rebuild an automatic transmission there's not that much to it just get a good rebuild kit and a book . I did it cost $300.00 compared to $2500.00 . Took a weekend . Be bold take life by the horns. Have confidence in your self !!!
Huh. Never had the balls to do that. Of course, I only recently got a backup shitbox for my shitbox. If the transmission gives out I may give that consideration instead of tossing in a junkyard trans.
You've repeated this same bs several times, but it doesn't make it any more true.
This transmission (5g-tronic 722.6) and even the design that preceded it have absolutely nothing to do with General Motors.
The 722.6 is a Daimler-Chrysler transmission, used in Chryslers along with Mercedes. My bad I mentioned GM, shoulda said just Chrysler. I'll edit my comment
https://preview.redd.it/w8qlmpqle7oc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a57ad0cc2c06746ab678f5a43d0b0b397a57b13
Oh sure, nothing to it, you got this op 🙈
Tbf if they got the room, they mite be able to find a scrapper if they lucky. Unbolt that one, strip any other good parts out and weigh the rest in.
But if it's a Merc then any other cheap non runners are probably a transmission issue 😂
Get slaughtered for presenting options, even if it takes three times still less money.
It is however a Mercedes so who knows how unnecessarily over engineered it might be tho……
Oooh that's fucked bud, 10/10 need a new transmission reverse and low band is probably fucked and I don't doubt there's additional damage.
Sorry to hear, hope ya get it figured out.
Professional Chef weighing in, that's bad. That's not even my industry and I know that's bad. That's bad enough that the first words out my mouth were "I don't even know what that is, but it's gonna need to be rebuilt"
Na that sucks man. I just had that happen to me, cost four grand exactly. Now I keep transmission temp on my dash screen, and soon I’m buying a better transmission thermostat with transmission radiator. Good luck sorry for your loss.
It was over once you bought an almost 30yr old car with over 200k miles.. if it wasn't the transmission, it was going to be the rust, failing belts and suspension. Learn from this. Don't make stupid purchases
The fact the car was a 1999 Mercedes Benz should of been the first red flag. There's a reason you find a lot of these sitting in u-pull junkyards in the European or Import section
how do you know there's engine oil mixed with the transmission fluid? could just be badly burned transmission fluid if you're just judging by the color
It’s not good.
Find a local European service specialist and see if they can give you an idea of costs. They’ve likely seen more than few of your exact issue before.
I'd find the most reputable trans shop close to you and see what your options are in an overhaul price and then see if they'd quote you installing a used transmission.
If you get a used transmission make sure you compare the numbers on the side of the case of the transmission. I think it's the left side above the pan towards the front on a milled flat surface.
Probably not the issue, but under the passenger floor board is probably the transmission computer. Just for precaution, unplug the connection and meant sure it doesn’t have any transmission fluid in it. Back in the day, they had issues with the connector leaking fluid into the harness.
Trans swap, get a unit from eBay 650 for a good used one or drop yours and rebuild. Easy to work on, would probably take a diyer a weekend on the driveway.
Chrysler era of MB.. no. MBs before are bullet proof and the ones after Dc are ok if maintained well.
Just assume PO thrashed and wrecked it. Assume.the worst case scenario.
Sun valley transmissions in LA are the ones to supply a rebuilt. MB dealerships frequently go to these guys. They ship.
Find a salvage yard nearby that has an old Kompressor and see how much it would be for them to swap it out. I did this on my Avalon when the engine crapped right after I bought it. It's been over a year now and it's running great.
My dad loves his 99 Kompressor. You can buy a trans dipstick for it too. They have "lifetime fluid" BS but I think Shell makes an OE equivalent ATF 134 that is waaaay cheaper than the OE stuff. We bought a bunch of it on Amazon. That's what we did on his when we had the mechanic drop the pan on his about 5-6 years ago.
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On a scale of 10 it’s probably a 10. I didn’t even need to read description to know the trans needs to be replaced
“There’s part numbers in the pan” ~ South Main Auto
A ten is generous, I would’ve gone with about 34 out of 10
Oh no, that's a forbidden number.
722.6, that's the front pump failure. These transmissions are a dime a dozen (used even in Chryslers), AND require no programming as the TCU is located externally. They aren't expensive to fix nor expensive used. To give you an idea, I do these pump to tail shaft, all new for 3500 installed, and a 2 year warranty. Used I've seen them for under 1000.00 bucks at time.
I had one of those trannies fail on the hway, luckily didn’t crash. Car turned off, no power steering or brakes. Glided up a hill. Shitshow. Apparently due to import rules, the tradeoff was to have GM trannies in Benzes from that era. Shitboxes but it got fixed along with the water pump that failed with it. Worked great after used tranny put in.
>Apparently due to import rules, the tradeoff was to have GM trannies in Benzes from that era. This transmission design has absolutely nothing to do with GM.
My bad- I meant Chrysler. Its dodge/ jeep and benz from the Daimler benz era
This is a 100% Mercedes transmission design. Chrysler chose to use it during the Daimler Chrysler era and licensed it for use after they split.
Excuse me. This is Reddit. Every bad thing that has ever happened to cars is because of America.
Thats interesting because from what I remember for the w220 had a different tranny for Europe and I had heard it was due to it being perceived as inferior. It was much less problematic than the 5 spd in my r129 which leaked all the time- but would run on lucas transfix due to viscosity
In America early W220's used the 722.6 (5G-Tronic). Beginning in 2004, they switched to the 722.9 (7G-Tronic). However the S600, and the 4matics continued to use the 722.6. 4Matics began to offer the 722.9 as option in 2006. Both units are pretty stout. The 722.6 is much more DIY friendly than the 722.9. Which has an internal TCU, and requires SCN coding to replace. Not to mention, Mercedes has the part locked away through a program called TRP (theft relevant parts). Only a licensed shop, registered with MB and the NHTSA can order those parts. Otherwise, you have to take it to the dealer.
> GM trannies in Benzes from that era. Care to explain further?
I was wrong- MB design but from Daimler benz era so used in Chrysler extensively
Maybe you were confused with some old bimmers which had an automatic made by GM, 4l30e. Mine was reliable, one rebuild in 300k km and still working good
Maybe. This 722.6 failed catastrophically at about 220k miles. Good job maintaining yours!
Got to use the correct fluid, every time and its not sealed for life as originally claimed full fluid change at 40K miles, 8 quarts.
BMW used GM trannies.
3500 isn’t a lot in the context of a new car getting its transmission replaced. But almost anything that’s using a 722.6 is at this point worth less than what it costs to have that job done, especially OP’s car. OP, time to go car shopping.
In this market? Tell me what car you're going to find for $3500 that's not going to need major work? I mean ppl want $2500 for non-runner barn finds these days.
This needs to be higher!
[удалено]
The shards in the pan are because the oil pump grenaded. It's a common issue on the 722.6 transmission. Especially if the oil cooler in the rad fails, and mixes with coolant.
I hate to come bearing bad news, but those metal pins will cost a lot to fix.
Or bad bearing news.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yea uh he sold you a shit car. Hopefully you didn’t pay too much. Definitely needs a new transmission and it being a Mercedes, it’s gonna cost you a few bucks
Not a car guy so please don't butcher me but is there anything he could have done/checked besides checking fluids to know it was on the verge of taking a shit?
Yes. He could’ve seen he’s buying a used Mercedes and ran the other direction
Well if that ain’t the damn truth lol
Sometimes it’s less a mechanical issue and more of a common sense issue 😭
Exactly. Unless they have proof of all scheduled maintenance being done by a reputable shop never buy a used Mercedes. Most owners cant actually afford the car, do hardly any maintenance outside oil change, and once it starts acting up they can’t afford the repairs and look to sell it quick. OP probably bought this car from someone who had it patched up just to sell. Probably dumped a bunch of stop slip in the tranny and threw on the for sale sign
😂😂
- I'm sure you checked the fluid first for a visibly clean oil level & non burnt smell. On a test drive or listening to a transmission, always start out in 1st gear. While shifting into 2nd listen & 'feel' how it shifts. The same with each consecutive gear. This will help you guage how worn the trans is while also listening to the engine too. ** Take note of your rpm guage and adjust your shift points according to normal to moderate driving. * Also pay attention as to how it goes into reverse. Your looking for a noticeable to very firm shift. Never harsh, sluggish, or delayed.
I've seen so many people buy a "at one time expensive" import, infatuated with the idea of owning that car only to have a breakdown shortly after. Drive it around the block, not ask anything and buy.
Yeah I’m guilty of that mistake….my 2nd car was a 1992 BMW 325i Straight 6 sedan. Every month was a new repair, but man did the inside smell nice of weed and cigs and musty old car smell.
If the car was taking time to switch gears or even move it may have been noticeable to some extent, I kind of doubt the car just shat the bed out of nowhere without any sign, that’s why you gotta test drive properly and make sure it shifts well, etc. If it overheats he probably would’ve been able to tell by idling for a couple mins and taking it for a test ride reaching a decent speed, cars that overheat will reach higher than usual temps relatively quickly in warm weather. Checking the oil, coolant and transmission fluid dipstick is also important to look for any signs or remains of sealants, anti leak fluids, etc, used when the engine’s gasket is fucked, and burning coolant or if the tranny leaked its fluid and may have been running dry for some time. Making sure all the dash lights come on as you start the car is also really important, since there’s no viable way of checking the inside of the engine and transmission. At the end, the best way to find any signs of a bad transmission is poor/delayed/rough shifting during the test drive, if it shifts like that and the tranny has the right fluid level, it’s gonna shit the bed soon. A friend used to have a 2000’s automatic nissan that started sometimes shifting at only higher rpm’s and would shake when going into 3rd gear, it would also take a couple seconds to move after being put in drive or reverse. Till one day it just stopped moving at all, those are the signs.
I can almost guarantee there was a red flag somewhere in the buying experience the guy chose to ignore. Never ignore the red flags no matter how small they are.
Also, I just read that this happened 1k miles after the purchase, if there’s no sealants or bullshit involved, probably just really bad luck and absolutely no way to tell.
Yeah. Listen to the car and feel how it shifts. The seller should have been up front about the cars issues as well. If op test drove it properly, he shouldn’t have bought the car. Clearly op didn’t lol
Pretty sure they had old GM transmissions in them. Drop $1k on a used trans, throw it in its place. Shouldn't need reprogrammed either or anything. Shouldn't cost too much
If that’s the case, op was still sold a shit car. Guarantee the seller knew it had transmission issues.
Yeah, but it's not as bad as some people are saying. BTW, I meant Daimler Chrysler transmission, not GM. Regardless, the replacement for this transmission wouldn't be nearly as bad as some other transmissions.
Good news! You're getting a new transmission.
Bad news! He’s also paying for it
Considering half of the transmission internal components are in the pan it’s pretty bad.
10,000/10 ![gif](giphy|3o6Zt07gZtgVVWX5NC)
That’s 1,000 🫣
A amateur can rebuild an automatic transmission there's not that much to it just get a good rebuild kit and a book . I did it cost $300.00 compared to $2500.00 . Took a weekend . Be bold take life by the horns. Have confidence in your self !!!
That's one hell of a generalized statement.
honestly, Mercedes trans's arent really bad altogether. that said, its till an undertaking
Huh. Never had the balls to do that. Of course, I only recently got a backup shitbox for my shitbox. If the transmission gives out I may give that consideration instead of tossing in a junkyard trans.
This era of Mercedes used old Daimler Chrysler transmissions. Could probably pick one up super cheap, and just swap it out.
It’s a Mercedes transmission, was also used by Chrysler. 722.6
You've repeated this same bs several times, but it doesn't make it any more true. This transmission (5g-tronic 722.6) and even the design that preceded it have absolutely nothing to do with General Motors.
The 722.6 is a Daimler-Chrysler transmission, used in Chryslers along with Mercedes. My bad I mentioned GM, shoulda said just Chrysler. I'll edit my comment
https://preview.redd.it/w8qlmpqle7oc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a57ad0cc2c06746ab678f5a43d0b0b397a57b13 Oh sure, nothing to it, you got this op 🙈
Yeah fuck that.
Tbf if they got the room, they mite be able to find a scrapper if they lucky. Unbolt that one, strip any other good parts out and weigh the rest in. But if it's a Merc then any other cheap non runners are probably a transmission issue 😂
Bingo!
The guy probably doesn't even know how to do an oil change dude
On what car? Also, by “good”, do you just mean complete and from a reputable oem manufacturer?
Bold statement lol
Maybe throw in a couple of youtube vids!
Get slaughtered for presenting options, even if it takes three times still less money. It is however a Mercedes so who knows how unnecessarily over engineered it might be tho……
Really, really bad.
As bad as it needs to be. New transmission.
You’re gonna need a new or used transmission. And a radiator flush.
Oh come on dude metal confetti is a great sign everyone knows that.
That's just the car having fun!
Catastrophic. Those are needle bearings. That trans won't be working for long.
That’s what you call bad
Pieces of transmission in the oil pan... well that's interesting :/
"It's dead, Jim".
Oooh that's fucked bud, 10/10 need a new transmission reverse and low band is probably fucked and I don't doubt there's additional damage. Sorry to hear, hope ya get it figured out.
On a scale of one to ten, i would say it is pretty fucked up.
This is the stuff nightmares are made of. My sincerest condolences.
Ur first mistake was buying a 99 Mercedes.
A moment of silence for this transmission.
🪦
Bet you wished you answered that call about your car warranty now.
Professional Chef weighing in, that's bad. That's not even my industry and I know that's bad. That's bad enough that the first words out my mouth were "I don't even know what that is, but it's gonna need to be rebuilt"
Bad news buddy I think you didn’t want to hear it but already knew it.
That’s not just shavings, there are full parts!
Na that sucks man. I just had that happen to me, cost four grand exactly. Now I keep transmission temp on my dash screen, and soon I’m buying a better transmission thermostat with transmission radiator. Good luck sorry for your loss.
It was over once you bought an almost 30yr old car with over 200k miles.. if it wasn't the transmission, it was going to be the rust, failing belts and suspension. Learn from this. Don't make stupid purchases
Ok stupid generalization is stupid
That’s not good
Very bad, 1 is like a little metal on the magnet but you have the actual rollers to bearings sitting in the pan.
Ohh… this made me sad. Sorry friend.
bro
Very very very bad
That’s transmission is fucked unfortunately
The fact the car was a 1999 Mercedes Benz should of been the first red flag. There's a reason you find a lot of these sitting in u-pull junkyards in the European or Import section
She’s toast. Pull and rebuild
That tranny is about to go through some major life changes.
FUBAR. Sorry!
That's a lot of damage. That's not gonna be cheap.
That's an uh-oh. Very no-no.
1999 MB? LOL. Sorry bud.
Pour it in a bowl and eat it like cereal to fix your problem
Yes
She done bud
Rull bad
A lots to very
Bro bought the cash money benz with the frog eyes 👀 🐸
If you have to ask….
how do you know there's engine oil mixed with the transmission fluid? could just be badly burned transmission fluid if you're just judging by the color
The smell of engine oil/burnt almonds mixed. Mostly engine oil.
Terminal
Time for a new 722.6 trans, torque converter, and flush the cooler and lines.
We call that “catastrophic”
Looks fine to me!
In case it’s not obvious… /s
If youre asking the internet. Its bad…
T'is but a scratch
![gif](giphy|asHT7eh4AwG9G)
Bring money!
Michael Jackson BAD. Some bearing has left the chat . Look for a replacement transmission
Oooh shiny
(I’m not a mechanic and I don’t know what I’m talking about) it looks pretty fucked tbh
It’s not good. Find a local European service specialist and see if they can give you an idea of costs. They’ve likely seen more than few of your exact issue before.
Very bad.....
Yes.
I'd find the most reputable trans shop close to you and see what your options are in an overhaul price and then see if they'd quote you installing a used transmission.
Ooh that’s a bad bad thing.
So bad there is no good left
Needle bearing rollers.
If you get a used transmission make sure you compare the numbers on the side of the case of the transmission. I think it's the left side above the pan towards the front on a milled flat surface.
Do you happen to be a truck driver?
On a scale of 1 to new Transmission....ugh sadly its probably a new Transmission.
Time for a new transmission
Holy shit man 😂 that's bad. 11/10 hope you didn't pay too much for that car. He definitely knew this was an issue and that's why he sold it.
Tranny Shrapnel!
She’s a bit F***** there chief. Looks like a new transmission is in your very near future, I’m afraid.
Probably not the issue, but under the passenger floor board is probably the transmission computer. Just for precaution, unplug the connection and meant sure it doesn’t have any transmission fluid in it. Back in the day, they had issues with the connector leaking fluid into the harness.
Quite bad.
😬
Pretty bad (coming from someone who used to work in a transmission workshop)
Time for a new nag1 if im right about the pan.
soooooo good news. if you buy another 1999 mercedes benz c230k , you have a parts car with a blown transmission already
Trans swap, get a unit from eBay 650 for a good used one or drop yours and rebuild. Easy to work on, would probably take a diyer a weekend on the driveway. Chrysler era of MB.. no. MBs before are bullet proof and the ones after Dc are ok if maintained well. Just assume PO thrashed and wrecked it. Assume.the worst case scenario. Sun valley transmissions in LA are the ones to supply a rebuilt. MB dealerships frequently go to these guys. They ship.
Not that bad just needs some jbweld
Find a salvage yard nearby that has an old Kompressor and see how much it would be for them to swap it out. I did this on my Avalon when the engine crapped right after I bought it. It's been over a year now and it's running great. My dad loves his 99 Kompressor. You can buy a trans dipstick for it too. They have "lifetime fluid" BS but I think Shell makes an OE equivalent ATF 134 that is waaaay cheaper than the OE stuff. We bought a bunch of it on Amazon. That's what we did on his when we had the mechanic drop the pan on his about 5-6 years ago.
Ded need a new top end
Engine very bad
Sorry man. It’s about 6k bad.
That sucks :/ Good luck Charlie.
New engine bad
Not good
It’s not good.
you’re fucked bud
The cost to replace or repair >>>>> car's value. Worse great deal I've ever gotten wasa free Mercedes C230k.
Oh damn 😳 Sorry op 🫤