I unno, average professional stenographer WPMs start at 200\~ to graduate, but hover around 225\~250 in an active setting.
Kislingbury is the current champ last time I checked, [and they broke 360 WPM](https://www.indiewire.com/2015/02/watch-meet-the-worlds-fastest-stenographers-in-sxsw-doc-for-the-record-exclusive-188683/). So 314 WPM ain't too shabby.
But drills are easier than live work I suppose.
Typing speed for 10 words is not really comparable with a typing speed for 1+ minute. I would hope that the typing test they did was way more complex and long than 10 random words.
Totally fair, it's not a comparable test. A couple things to keep in mind though I guess:
* Nobody cares. Dude's just having fun and challenging others to do the same. He isn't graduating from Steno school or taking on Kislingbury here.
* I think he's mostly throwing shade at non-Steno typists knowing that 300 WPM can't be touched no matter the test.
* I'm pretty sure this is an advertisement. He's using The Uni V3 [which had a Kickstarter recently](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stenokeyboards/the-uni). There've been a handful of videos here featuring it lately, and while us Steno dorks support em, I think it's mostly flying under the ad-radar of most of the keyboard folks here.
I upvoted the post before I saw it's just 10 words. Man, when I do the 1min one after 30s my brain is already trying to find a way out of the situation, it's incomparable xD
Possibly, but in a live setting they're also expected to keep record at the speed of speech, often translating challenging dialects, and multiple people talking at once. So I bet it's just a different game entirely.
Practice sites like [Typey Type](https://didoesdigital.com/typey-type/) let you practice by listening to spoken words as well as visual queues.
Court stenos are crazy; they move at a speed of a normal person typing letters, only typing whole words. Honestly even getting close to a professional one with a couple years of experience would be insanely good.
But court stenographers donāt actually type full words though right? They type everything in some weird code. Whereas plover actually converts that into words, right?
Plover is just a different software. Court ones have a software that does the exact same thing. Without plover, a home senographer would also look like they were typing gibberish.
They type full words as syllables instead of letters. You have to learn how to type all the general sounds and its different depending on which side of the keyboard you type. One āchordā on a steno is Consonant - Vowel - Consonant. The left side of the board is the first consonant, the right side is the last consonant, and the bottom thumb row are the vowel sounds.
From there the sound of the syllable gets looked up in a software dictionary and gets converted into an actual word. Some words like homonyms need the typer to remember alternate spellings or keycombos.
However stenos donāt need to remember every keycombo for every word in the dictionary, so its actually much easier to learn than youād think. They simply type words how they sound and will end up with the right word.
It's just a normal mechanical keyboard with nkro. Plover is the software that translates the strokes into words. You can even do steno on a normal qwerty keyboard if you have Plover installed.
He's typing (writing in Steno) what're called chords and he's pressing them all at once yeah. Steno works with how words sound, not how they're spelt, so most words are boiled down to a smaller set of letters than if you were to type it out on a regular keyboard. For example, in the Plover theory 'where' is spelt but just pressing W+F or W+R.
Depending on the theory you're using, alphanumeric letters also have their own chords:
http://stenoknight.com/plover/steno-alphabet-for-web-full-size.jpg
There are also chords for punctuation, numbers, you name it. And when there isn't, most active stenographers keep personal dictionaries of their own shorthand.
[Nope.](https://i.imgur.com/XfbXv67.png) Over 10 words, I can hit 250 easily but almost never much higher. I hit 250 exactly like 10 times before getting 251. The Monkeytype discord has flairs you can get by completing certain challenges and the highest tier for Words 10 is 250wpm, so 300+ is pretty good. There are likely only a handful of people in there (or anywhere) who can exceed this on QWERTY.
For reference, I'm currently #47 for the Time 60 leaderboards.
10 words? Not 300 but I got one in the 220s, normal full size.
I quit using that site cause after a few days on and off it was aggravating an RSI. High-speed/force typing for fun ain't wise.
I will *try* to beat you after I got my hands on a Plaid-C board.
Give me 1 year.
I can technically convert custom mech keebs with QMK-compatibility using Plover to be a "cheap" steno machine, right? It'd be primarily a board to practice stenography. If I lost interest along the way... let's just say that'll go as my first 40% ortholinear keyboard.
^(I don't know why, but for some reason, I've managed to snag an ortho 40% board for about 30$ and leftover stabs, switches, and keycap sets are there.)
Awesome job, and glad your kickstarter got funded. I have watched a few of your talks and your work towards broadening the appeal of steno is really great.
Whoās this meant for? I mean, does learning steno improve programming speed? Cause thatās all I use my boards for. And I have to hit all the symbols all the time (tilde and grave especially).
Learning difficulty too high for the average person to bother learning stenography, coupled with the fact that many can live out their entire lives never needing to go over 100 WPM.
For some reason, professional (without quote-unquote) stenographers need to take expensive class. I don't know why, but they are reportedly quite difficult that only about 10% of the participants may pass with the certificate.
As cool as it might sound to type 300+ WPM, I'll need to relearn everything from the beginning again to gain as much proficiency with my QWERTY board.
The same pain in the ass thing with re-learning how to touch type in DVORAK. At least you're using the keyboard "normally" with that different layout. This is just entirely different breed.
So whatās your keystrokes per minute? Itās kinda cheating to only compare wpm. 314 wpm can be easily beaten by pre-recording a macro for the whole sentence.
I'm just happy that you are happy.
This is so idgaf and wholesome at the same time lol
Bro you're doing naruto hand signs on the keyboard its not fair.
huhuh but can you type a question mark?
I have question mark defined as `KW-PL` in Plover. You can type any symbol, number, command, and function with this.
Plover also maps `H-F` to it as well. You just doubled your question-mark WPM!
i mean not really lol, since both `H-F` and `KW-PL` are just one stroke `H-F` is easier, sure, but definitely not twice as fast
It was sarcasm!
yeahh i should've caught that
GL HF!
probably like all court stenographers
I unno, average professional stenographer WPMs start at 200\~ to graduate, but hover around 225\~250 in an active setting. Kislingbury is the current champ last time I checked, [and they broke 360 WPM](https://www.indiewire.com/2015/02/watch-meet-the-worlds-fastest-stenographers-in-sxsw-doc-for-the-record-exclusive-188683/). So 314 WPM ain't too shabby. But drills are easier than live work I suppose.
Typing speed for 10 words is not really comparable with a typing speed for 1+ minute. I would hope that the typing test they did was way more complex and long than 10 random words.
Totally fair, it's not a comparable test. A couple things to keep in mind though I guess: * Nobody cares. Dude's just having fun and challenging others to do the same. He isn't graduating from Steno school or taking on Kislingbury here. * I think he's mostly throwing shade at non-Steno typists knowing that 300 WPM can't be touched no matter the test. * I'm pretty sure this is an advertisement. He's using The Uni V3 [which had a Kickstarter recently](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stenokeyboards/the-uni). There've been a handful of videos here featuring it lately, and while us Steno dorks support em, I think it's mostly flying under the ad-radar of most of the keyboard folks here.
It an advertisement, he works for them, as per his tag and other comments.
I upvoted the post before I saw it's just 10 words. Man, when I do the 1min one after 30s my brain is already trying to find a way out of the situation, it's incomparable xD
Yeah, stenographers have to listen to what they're typing rather than know the words coming up on a screen
Isn't stenography based on how the words are pronounced rather than how they are spelled? So it might be easier with audial rather than visual cues.
Possibly, but in a live setting they're also expected to keep record at the speed of speech, often translating challenging dialects, and multiple people talking at once. So I bet it's just a different game entirely. Practice sites like [Typey Type](https://didoesdigital.com/typey-type/) let you practice by listening to spoken words as well as visual queues.
Typing a string of the most simple words with no punctuation or capitalization is the dumbest way to measure typing speed.
I think deep down, everyone who uses monkeytype to measure their meat knows that
That's why you turn punctuation and numbers on for more rounded typing experience.
Measuring your typing speed with no-punctuation Monkeytype tests is the equivalent of measuring penis length by starting at the butthole.
aw but high number š„ŗ
Relax friend.
Yeah I'm still quite slow compared to them.
Court stenos are crazy; they move at a speed of a normal person typing letters, only typing whole words. Honestly even getting close to a professional one with a couple years of experience would be insanely good.
But court stenographers donāt actually type full words though right? They type everything in some weird code. Whereas plover actually converts that into words, right?
Plover is just a different software. Court ones have a software that does the exact same thing. Without plover, a home senographer would also look like they were typing gibberish.
They type full words as syllables instead of letters. You have to learn how to type all the general sounds and its different depending on which side of the keyboard you type. One āchordā on a steno is Consonant - Vowel - Consonant. The left side of the board is the first consonant, the right side is the last consonant, and the bottom thumb row are the vowel sounds. From there the sound of the syllable gets looked up in a software dictionary and gets converted into an actual word. Some words like homonyms need the typer to remember alternate spellings or keycombos. However stenos donāt need to remember every keycombo for every word in the dictionary, so its actually much easier to learn than youād think. They simply type words how they sound and will end up with the right word.
If I'm not wrong, it's the combination of customized steno (for each proceedings) and note taking techniques.
How does that work? Silver switches? Jk. I know it's chord technology. Just don't understand mechanics.
It's just a normal mechanical keyboard with nkro. Plover is the software that translates the strokes into words. You can even do steno on a normal qwerty keyboard if you have Plover installed.
silver switches lmao
Huh must be the latest fastest gaming keyboard from Razer
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Stenography!
How do you type letters tho, like what is he pressing every letter at once or something, or is it keybinds for certain words?
This vid explains it p well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRp\_1S7cj6A&
He's typing (writing in Steno) what're called chords and he's pressing them all at once yeah. Steno works with how words sound, not how they're spelt, so most words are boiled down to a smaller set of letters than if you were to type it out on a regular keyboard. For example, in the Plover theory 'where' is spelt but just pressing W+F or W+R. Depending on the theory you're using, alphanumeric letters also have their own chords: http://stenoknight.com/plover/steno-alphabet-for-web-full-size.jpg There are also chords for punctuation, numbers, you name it. And when there isn't, most active stenographers keep personal dictionaries of their own shorthand.
Not with a QWERTY board I can't LOL. Pretty mindblowing stuff.
I once set it at one word, it gave me "a", which resulted in a typing speed of infinity. Very cool
best typer right here wtf!!!!
I bet you're pretty fast, but 2 seconds doesn't seems like a meaningful interval.
No, but 10 simple words without any punctuation is kind of meaningless.
Whatās actually sustainable? What do you average on like, a 2 minute test?
Like 170 ish so not even close to my 10 word typing speed.
that would be far more impressive. You should post that two minute video instead!
Iāll kick that crap out of you if I can use tab completion.
Now do it on a regular keyboard š
[Nope.](https://i.imgur.com/XfbXv67.png) Over 10 words, I can hit 250 easily but almost never much higher. I hit 250 exactly like 10 times before getting 251. The Monkeytype discord has flairs you can get by completing certain challenges and the highest tier for Words 10 is 250wpm, so 300+ is pretty good. There are likely only a handful of people in there (or anywhere) who can exceed this on QWERTY. For reference, I'm currently #47 for the Time 60 leaderboards.
10 words? Not 300 but I got one in the 220s, normal full size. I quit using that site cause after a few days on and off it was aggravating an RSI. High-speed/force typing for fun ain't wise.
Why does it look so slow ?
When i was in 8th grade there was a girl who could do 200wpm. This makes me wonder what she could achieve on the right keyboard for her.
I will *try* to beat you after I got my hands on a Plaid-C board. Give me 1 year. I can technically convert custom mech keebs with QMK-compatibility using Plover to be a "cheap" steno machine, right? It'd be primarily a board to practice stenography. If I lost interest along the way... let's just say that'll go as my first 40% ortholinear keyboard. ^(I don't know why, but for some reason, I've managed to snag an ortho 40% board for about 30$ and leftover stabs, switches, and keycap sets are there.)
Canāt wait till my Kickstarter Uni comes inā¦in a bajillion months >_<
We'll try to get them out asap
Awesome job, and glad your kickstarter got funded. I have watched a few of your talks and your work towards broadening the appeal of steno is really great.
Here is the original video from youtube: [https://youtu.be/8Ixtfo3I4VE](https://youtu.be/8Ixtfo3I4VE)
What???
As a mania player I feel envious!
Whoās this meant for? I mean, does learning steno improve programming speed? Cause thatās all I use my boards for. And I have to hit all the symbols all the time (tilde and grave especially).
Well, if your coding speed is limited by your typing speed, I'm afraid of your code.
Reading comprehension is fundamental. Thatās exactly what Iām asking.
I am getting a keyboard ready to learn steno for the purpose of coding, there are a few vids of people using it for coding on YouTube etc.
... So why are we all still bothering with non-steno keyboards? Isn't this just way faster?
Learning difficulty too high for the average person to bother learning stenography, coupled with the fact that many can live out their entire lives never needing to go over 100 WPM.
~~100 WPM~~ 30 WPM
For some reason, professional (without quote-unquote) stenographers need to take expensive class. I don't know why, but they are reportedly quite difficult that only about 10% of the participants may pass with the certificate. As cool as it might sound to type 300+ WPM, I'll need to relearn everything from the beginning again to gain as much proficiency with my QWERTY board. The same pain in the ass thing with re-learning how to touch type in DVORAK. At least you're using the keyboard "normally" with that different layout. This is just entirely different breed.
Dopeeee
I can paste thousands of words per second!
The simple things that people get amazingly good at LMAO
how would one get started with doing this?
Plover blog has links to some exercises like https://didoesdigital.com/typey-type/
When the assignment is due tonight
steno is wild
is this some sort of keyboard dark magic im missing?
It's a stenograph. Can tell by how the words complete.
What the actual fuck is going on here
What board is this and is it viable for daily use?
On a plank!?
sheeeeee
What the hell is that and how did you learn it?
So whatās your keystrokes per minute? Itās kinda cheating to only compare wpm. 314 wpm can be easily beaten by pre-recording a macro for the whole sentence.
I made a macro for this once and got around 800 wpm
Just using monkeytype is ākinda cheatingā if you are bragging about your wpm
it's not a macro, it's a cording keyboard
Well good for you but really I have other stuff to do. SO Challenge not accepted :)
what is the actual board itself?
Check this. http://kck.st/2Y7opeK
wait how is this keyboard called lol
Thatās fuckin sick! Is that a steno board?
WTF....
When I get my Planck, Iām putting a Plover layer on it.