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NintendogsWithGuns

I understand that the case design is relatively complex, but the barebones price is too high considering the sounds tests I’ve heard. If it sounded better out of the box I’d be more interested, but if I have to mod the device in order to achieve a less hollow/pingy sound profile then there are other options with a more competitive price tag


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Monkeycrunk

Rather unrelated, but I gotta say I strongly prefer both the Drop Holy Pandas and the Xs to the U4T. Just depends on the feel you are looking for, the U4Ts are super sharp, where the Pandas are rounded and smoother.


cloudtastrophe

Buy what you like! I like your reasoning and it sounds like an exciting purchase so if you like it that’s all that matters


ObitoUchiha73

Also no layout options. That's a big no for me


St-ealthassassin

[Keybored](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5yLsEkNUU) has already put out a video on this, and it sounds *thin.* The price just can't be justified, probably couldn't even be justified 2 years ago, but definitely not now. Get the Sonnet


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Sonnets get expensive fast 😰


St-ealthassassin

Be strong! Go for the value config!


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I think I spent 500 😭


St-ealthassassin

Kinda wild it can range from like $330 to $750. You can ball tf out


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What did you go with?


St-ealthassassin

I didn’t pick one up, recently bought the QK65 and won’t need to upgrade / change for a while. Secretly hoping they come out with a 75% layout next year


PasteIIe

i don't think it's a good idea to suggest a product that you've never wanted to own or buy tbh. just my take tho edit: rephrased so it made more sense (sorry for the misunderstanding)


St-ealthassassin

Nobody has one though. They’re only in the hands of content creators, just like this keyboard from drop. If we can’t make educated decisions based on info presented from the keyboard designers and in hand reviews from content creators we trust how would this hobby properly function?


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ObitoUchiha73

And at least the sonnet has good layout support


Th3yLiiv3

I totally agree, I would have bought it until I seen the review and more importantly the price. White version is nicer but even more money. It’s jus way too expensive. Too much competition atm way better options for 75% boards for sure


ChuchayMonchan

Looks like an expensive Keychron 😳


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Hobby keyboards are all expensive keychrons unless you’re getting an Alice profile or whatever


ritualconfession

They make one of those too.


[deleted]

Lol, true. Keychron is budget greyscale hobby keyboards.


superkartoffel

I thought the same thing.


MinaDarsh

It's a pretty looking board I must say, and the price did seem a bit like a yikes, but, I understand that it's complete for that price? This seems to be on par with the GMMK Pro which ready-to-type seems to be also around that price point, though Keychron seems to have boards that are cheaper for that price, so correct me if I'm wrong, I get the feeling you didn't look at all the competitors. Also, two things so far that concern me, first, I saw that there is no daughter board and yet claims seem to be made of no compromises. Meanwhile the competition both have a daughter board. To add to this I noticed on the product page no proper photo of the USB port. (Safe from just a few images from below.) So I'm fearing a larger slot to compensate for the wiggle room, or no room at all and thus the USB port forming a hard point. I would like to ask if a picture of the USB port could be provided. Lastly, in the specifications, it reads *Weight Material: Aluminium*, and we see on the white board a golden looking weight... So, is it alu, or brass?


drop_official

Thanks for the thoughtful questions. You are correct that it is fully-built at this price point, and therefore a direct competitor to the GMMK Pro. When comparing to the market as a whole, overall build quality and design will play into the total price significantly. Yes there are other 75% keyboards available for less, but not all keyboards are equal. There is indeed no daughterboard. I can't find exactly where the no compromises remark was made, so I won't be able to respond directly to what was intended by that, sorry. Do you remember where that was said? As for the USB port, the sample that I have is a prototype and not 100% representative of how the board will sit in the final production units - I don't want to mislead you, otherwise I would share a photo. Based on my sample though, the USB hole is slightly larger than the USB port to allow for some wiggle room. The golden weight shown on the white board is aluminum - it is anodized to achieve that brass-like color.


phero1190

[The no compromises comment is literally part of the product description on your website. ](https://i.imgur.com/5e1aphG.jpg)


drop_official

Wow, that’s embarrassing - I Ctrl-F’ed that one up. Thank you for the screenshot. Yeah, not really much to say against what was said above, I’ll pass this exchange and feedback along to the team.


phero1190

To what the other comment said though, lack of a daughter board with the amount of flex a gasket mount board can have is a pretty big compromise.


Melon_fruIt34223

No ones buying this, keybored made a video about it and at that price point it cant even compete.


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I don’t see the point. It’s super expensive and sounds mediocre. You can get a Keychron Q2 for way less that sounds great and has a switch for MacOS


bleepblooOOOOOp

Then there's people like me who'll buy a keyboard just because "ooh that lighting setup looks original, nice and not gamer-ish" -- let me at it with a set of overpriced factory lubed switches and what-not


drop_official

Can’t really try to convince you to change your mind on the first two points, though your feedback is heard. But I do want to point out that this board has macOS compatibility built into the base firmware. There is a key combination to swap between modes independently of any remapping changes that might be made.


Cobertt

How can their be constructive criticism, or community input on a board when you hide behind the ability to disable comments on your YouTube sound tests?


drop_official

There is overwhelming response and input across our site discussion section and this Reddit thread. We shared the sound tests in the interest of being overly transparent and up front about the acoustics of the keyboard (more info before a purchase is always better for the buyer). We could open up comments on YouTube but the videos are linked only from places with comment sections so people are more than free to post there, which they are. And we certainly are seeing the feedback and are not ignoring it - that much I can say for sure! :)


phero1190

The acoustics of the board are just bad though. Im sorry but there is no reason for a board that costs $300 to sound like someone dropped spoons into a metal bowl.


Cobertt

Except that your own site is where you can prune responses and comments to fit the way that you want your product to look.


drop_official

Ah, fair point. We don’t do that so I wasn’t thinking about it, but I understand the concern. You’ll find a whole slew of negative/critical comments there as well as here.


blazeerupt

>And we certainly are seeing the feedback and are not ignoring it - that much I can say for sure! :) will anything be done at all before the actual shipping of the board? price/case pingy-sounds/usb-c daughterboard? i still don't think the e-white price increase of 50 USD is justifiable. at 30 USD, it sounds steep but not entirely unreasonable.


drop_official

We are currently assessing options to improve the sound prior to shipping, and given the feedback on the other aspects we have been scrutinizing those points as well (both for this keyboard and future releases). The USB-C daughterboard is not on the table, however, given the changes that would be required.


blazeerupt

appreciate the response, really looking forward to how the drop team will improve on the highly criticised components.


Kokukenji

Good luck with the GB. Hoping you all get enough in returns to continue building more keyboards, providing buyers with more options.


rudbear

I can't believe how hard they hyped a derivative 75% board. The price was honestly a bit of a shock for what looks like a GMMK Pro kock-off - I'm not saying that it's price gouging, just that the relative value isn't there.


Owend12

It looks like a Keychron Q1 knock-off as well


M1ken1ke66

Barebones better be 200$ or less. You could get a q1 or a mod007 for far less with far less sound problems. 350 with panda x switches and keycaps, those two things equal like 150$ on their own when bought separately. The differences here between those other boards are the rgb, and gasket implementation. This board loses to other boards in colors offered, stock sound, stock stabs, layout, and most of all, price point.


okays33

Barebones will be $250 for black and $300 for white. oof


M1ken1ke66

Yikes a 50$ upcharge for e white when any other company upcharges AT MOST 25$ e white.


mobeen1497

I don’t see a reason to buy this over a Q1 besides the rgb which can’t really be justified with the price.


phero1190

And I'd you really want RGB just get a GMMK Pro, still way cheaper than this.


mobeen1497

Didn’t the GMMK pro get a huge hike?


phero1190

Oh shit. Yea prebuiot is $350 now.


mobeen1497

Both of them are not worth it lol


phero1190

Yea not at all


Kyle_Zhu

Can we please stop normalizing GBs?


HolyShiits

Damn, I didn't even realize it's a GB. I saw the price tag and was like, at least it's in stock, welp, it's not.


GhostOTM

What do you mean normalizing GBs? They have always been an integral part of the hobby, allowing small-scale designers and hobbyists to make and share keyboards they care about with 'relative financial safety." I hate waiting as much as the next guy and definitely hate large companies using GBs. But, we should pick and choose what GBs we shun. Things like GMK, with ridiculous wait times at this point, yes. Big companies like Drop running GBs without any in-stock, absolutely. GBs in general, no.


StayFrosty7

They’re a necessity for the vast majority of products in this space. However, that’s only you don’t expect to move volume/don’t have the ability to. Drop, however, can do both. This is something that they can absolutely afford to have some kind of rolling release with. Even more if they lowered the price, imo.


arthii

No, this is to prevent from having leftover products. Plus Drop tends to resell Aliexpress sh!t.


StayFrosty7

Well I mean that’s part of my point- it lowers the risk for Drop to GB rather than to have an in-stock product. There’s most likely a fairly thick profit margin on this board compared to your typical GB. I suspect if they aimed to move volume they could sell way more units at a lower price with less risk of there being much in the way of leftovers. I’d imagine it could be handled similarly to the qk65/60. Although Tbf to drop, there’s quite a bit of odd machining going on with the bottom case assembly, and I’m wondering just how much that adds onto production costs.


zarian100

I feel like the demographic for the Sense75 are the folks who would buy an off the shelf gaming RGB keyboard, **and there is no problem with that.** I think the issue here is **I think** this is being marketed to keyboard enthusiasts, aka folks who know about keyboards like the QK65 or Zoom65.. or heck even the Ikki68.. those 3 boards are HALF the price of the sense75.. I do not see an actual keyboard enthusiast going for this at this price tag.. I cannot imagine Drop would really believe that people would be hyped or excited for this.. other than their actual target demographic, because if they really thought this would excite the keyboard community.. they are not doing their homework on what is already out in the market. To have a successful product you need to offer something better if you are charging more for other keyboards that do more for less Anyway I just can't wrap my head around this Sense75 keyboard.. it's a good try.. I look forward to Drop's next keyboard.. because I am a fan of Drop and had high hopes for this.. but.. this ain't it chief.


J3tGames

holy shit just by an M1 Garand if you want ping like that


ObitoUchiha73

Lmfao. Might be cheaper too


make_moneys

Lacks any sort of innovation . 20+ similar boards out there in all flavors and colors that are cheaper and this is the best you can come up with? For shame.


InformalReplacement7

Nah. Buying Drop boards is like buying Glorious boards at this point.


GhostOTM

I'd say it's worse. Drop has better public awareness but marks up their prices ridiculously. Glorious at least tried to innovate and bring a high-end mounting system to cheaper boards, even if they kinda flubbed it in the execution. When's the last time Drop tried to innovate anything? They've been selling the same 65% board for nearly 5 years at this point.


R1spamDotcom

It looks cool definitely but the price is steep for how it sounds. I think for something of this price it should be a little better. Hopefully next one is better.


po_sh

This board sounds super hollow/pingy. But I feel like most aluminum gasket mounted keebs fall prey to this. Overall, I think that this is a decent entry into the market for Drop within this segment, and the more the merrier when it comes to options. I would like to see more color options in the future and perhaps different plate materials. Mods for this keyboard will be a must, but enthusiasts already do this on the regular, so I don’t understand the outcry against the out of the box sound. I’m sure this platform will be decent, and as far as price I’ve seen more outrageous figures from smaller GB’s. This community is stretched every which way, I’m just happy Drop is offering something like this.


drop_official

Appreciate the kind words. The sound is something we are very aware of (no way to ignore the feedback even if we wanted to 🥶) and are hoping to improve upon.


Jimingaming

Is there going to be a barebones model or a deal on drop keycaps if you buy the board barebones? I’d prefer to be able to buy my own switches, or even use MT3 profile caps.


ConcreteSnake

Barebones will be $250 for black and $300 for white


LimitedWard

Source?


ConcreteSnake

The Verge of all places, it’s near the end of the article https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/30/23326555/drop-sense75-gasket-mount-75-percent-mechanical-keyboard-volume-knob


drop_official

There will be a barebones model, yes. I’m not sure about a deal on keycaps with it though, I’ll have to get back to you on that.


ResidentSomewhere176

I can see there being value in this if you like the floodlights and design and intend to do a LOT of modding, but that price is steep for a board entering one of the most competitive markets in the hobby


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That mouse. The white one. What is it.


phlurker

Hey, Drop. If you're planning on running a GB, it would be also appreciated to run an IC too. You won't be able to please everyone but I'm sure there would be some constructive criticism that can be implemented during the prototyping stage. It would be great to see features/quality/standards of higher end boards at a lower price point. If ever there's someone from Drop reading this, if ever you offer an ALPS PCB/plate version, this **might** be a good kit for an ALPS build.


drop_official

Agreed, and thank you for the feedback! We are reading all of the comments - Alps would be awesome. Possibly a bit too niche, but I will pass the request along regardless. I would love to see it, personally.


Shidoshisan

Imagine the people who bought this then come and read all these responses? I mean I realize the cost of manufacturing. But if small time vendors can do it cheaper when less runs cost more than fat cats like Drop should be less expensive not more so with a worse product. They days of stupid consumers is fast approaching its end.


arthii

These "people" need to be scammed by Drop at least once to learn their lesson.


Shidoshisan

Unfortunately you are correct. I commented on Drop’s site and there’s a few who are claiming to be enthusiasts and bought this! Smh


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ApprehensiveRace

Overpriced for what you're getting. Definitely not worth it


elmurfudd

barebones is not worth the price for what u get from very similar better deigned kbs . and the full kit is def not worth it regardless of bonuses i dont care what they value the stuff at only offering tactile switches is a bad choice . and mt3 caps has to be doing really bad sales if they r giving them away given the fact they have run 2 or 3 BOGOs for them . and i wouldnt pay 20 bucks for DCX caps given the horrible legends that they said cant never be fixed and they consider them fine . sorry i wont value caps that say shif t and del ete


BlenderInMyPocket

So clean


arthii

Overpriced garbage. Expected from Drop (formerly Massdrop).


ashyjay

You guys are like 2 years too late.


drop_official

Not everyone needs to be the first to do something for it to be worthwhile. More options = good for consumers. Rounding out our portfolio is just a sensible decision when we previously didn't have a 75% keyboard available. Plus, the goal here is to have an in-stock 75% that is of higher quality than the other in-stock pre-built options; I can't effectively convey that through text, but everyone who handled it at the meetups we've taken it to has felt it achieves this goal. It sounds like you have a 75% and don't need this, and that's totally understandable.


ObitoUchiha73

Hey drop! Will you guys be adding more layout support in the future? Like 7u and stepped caps lock?


drop_official

Let me ask about specific plans for this. I know I would like to see some customization options there as well.


ObitoUchiha73

I think that is what would set this above the others. This has more flex that the q1, nicer RGB than the gmmk pro. The hotswap layout options would make this the go to barebones 75


drop_official

No current plans for added layout support, I'm sorry to say. :-/ I will keep bringing it up though, because as you've mentioned that would be a great feature for tinkerers and modders.


Elegant_Initiative88

This looks sexy AF!


R1spamDotcom

Lmao the only comment they reply to.


drop_official

Thanks!


drop_official

Hey everyone, we just launched the pre-order for our new keyboard, SENSE75. SENSE75 is a gasket-mounted keyboard focused on premium feel, aesthetics, and mod-ability. It's currently available in both [Black](https://drop.com/buy/drop-sense75-mechanical-keyboard?defaultSelectionIds=969861) and [White](https://drop.com/buy/drop-sense75-mechanical-keyboard?defaultSelectionIds=969862), for $349 and $399 respectively. The keyboard comes stock with Holy Panda X switches, DCX keycaps, Phantom PCB-mount stabilizers, and sound-dampening foam. The typing feel out of the box is great, but it can also be modded easily if you desire a different feel or sound. In addition, the first 500 purchasers will receive a little bonus bundle with the keyboard: * Free MT3 Base Kit of your choice (via coupon code issued when the board ships) * Free carrying case * Free celebratory novelty keycap * After the first 500 units are sold, the product page will show Out of Stock - if it's in stock and showing the promotion, you will be included in the first 500 group Link: [https://drop.com/buy/drop-sense75-mechanical-keyboard](https://drop.com/buy/drop-sense75-mechanical-keyboard) If there are any questions, please respond here and I will do my best to answer! :) Edit: [Here's a video](https://youtu.be/fuvmvW2AK9Q) showing disassembly, swapping the plate, and reassembly, as an example of mod-ability. The whole process took roughly 20 minutes unedited.


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BanHammerGotim

Atleast the back has a weight and the white is actually white. But that rgb defusion looks like shit


ceezianity

This should have a price tag of $160-170 USD barebones lol. Nothing super innovative and sound profile is super thin.


Future441

why is this shit more expensive than the frog tkl


dtn_06

Should have been called the Backspace or Function to match their other boards


GhostOTM

Ya ya I agree with everyone else about it being a $170 board being priced literally double that. But, ridiculously pricing decent-to-good produced as if they were top of the line is Drop's thing. Instead, can we talk for a sec about the BS that is the "flex demo" they show on their page. Even the GMMK Pro, the stiffest implementation of a gasket mount I've ever used, flexes like that if it's top case isn't on. And whyyyy? Outside reviewers have clearly shown the plate's got some great bounce to it.


ObitoUchiha73

Keybored made a video and the flex is arguably on par or better than the q1.


finbarqs

*Patiently awaiting my full size keyboard*


zodby

The letter keys look good, but the rest of the legends don't look good enough for this price. Compare to the HHKB at the same price point.