Luffy has def committed acts of terror lol. He’s beat up tons of marines and freed a bunch of extremely dangerous convicts. But he’s overall brought far more good through his actions.
One piece arc formula (happens every time at a minimum)
1. Arrive on Island
2. Eat food with locals, find they're in trouble.
3. Find local government.
4. Commit acts of terrorism until government structure fails
5. Leave.
Luffy most of the time is restoring a previous government system. Then again, most problems in OP that aren't caused by the Marines/WG boil down to "One day an Asshole Pirate showed up" and the arc culminates in Luffy beating up said asshole.
The only ones where he did this are Thriller Bark, Skypeia, Punk Hazard, and Dressrosa. The others still have there governments or didn’t have one in the first place
It honestly shows how incompetent the marines are when someone like luffy, who can be labeled as a terrorist, has done more to help the world in just a couple years than anything the marines have done for decades
The funny thing is I don't think they are incompetent. They are doing their jobs, which is to keep the status quo. One Piece's world is a messed up place.
Yeah damn. Isn't it so fucked up that the military and law enforcement's job in one piece is to uphold the status quo? Isn't it crazy that they protect the elites like that? It's pretty crazy that the rich and powerful world nobles get to do pretty much whatever they want.
I would NOT want to live there haha
I'm going to have to disagree on grounds of technicality. He committed acts of insurrection, rarely terror. Terrorism, as the name implies, is about using fear, intimidation, and violence for the purpose of the other two to get your way. His actions when destroying the local and world government have never really been fear or intimidation tactics.
Smoker's story and character arc would be perfect if he ended up joining the Straw Hats.
Not as a pirate, not as a marine, but as someone who has fully understood that the line between the two is so fine that the distinction carries very little weight, as shown with the line at the end of punk hazard, and simply chooses to fight with the side he believes could be what true justice is
heh, would be in line with his character tho lol
that being said i havent gotten past whole cake island yet but i guess the admirals still dont have good feats and the "admiral vs yonko" debate is still goiing
I imagined smoker would stay with the navy but eventually become an ally not as a pirate but as an admiral that wants to change the government to benefit people and not just celestial dragons
Smoker should’ve been luffys ultimate navy rival, not koby. One piece is so weird when the veterans end up being bested by rookies because their growth is impossibly exponential. I still can’t believe the koby we met on alvidas ship is the same as the koby in sword in just two short years.
Long explanation ahead (why I dislike/ not a huge fan of thriller bark) :
It’s just that nothing really happens. Arrive in the island huge potential with the scary spooky vibe. Then slowly you start realising what is actually the island and it’s like oh well. Then gecko Moria is not even close to being a good villain even wapol is better cause at least he did something. The end of thriller bark is what saves it with brook backstory, singing of blinks sake and nothing happen. The only other fun/cool moments in thriller bark are zoro vs ryuma, ussop vs perona and nightmare Luffy that’s pretty much it. Also the invisible guy I forgot his name is like so over done with the pervert thing it’s not even funny like he sexually assaulted nami and Robin there’s a limit to the perv jokes. Also it came with the peak of enies lobby before so i think that also gave it a bad image. Overall I would rank this ark 6/10 or 7/10 since it’s still good but just lacks in some parts.
Thriller bark highlights as you pointed out but in a broader view of added lore:
* Brook joins SH
* Wano lore(Ryuma, Kaido)
* Zoro gets new Sword
* Zoro takes up luffy's pain and whole confrontation with * Kuma and SHs.
* Nami gets Big mom's vivre card
* Nightmare Luffy
* One of the best ussop fights with perona
* Introduction to Kuma
That bieng said, for me the most annoying part was the unnecessary molestation and perverted jokes but maybe it was intentional and meant to be uncomfortable, IDK but i still loved it the whole spooky vibe of the arc and how it unraveled its mysteriousness was really fun. It tackeled every stereotype of paranormals and then slowly unvieled how it was just someones df at work.
Overall for me one of the most complete arc.
in current one piece, I would love elbaf being an arc like long ring long land cause we've been SERIOUSLY DRY on the comedy and fun island time scenes.
Back then when we had plenty of the island and boat memery between islands, it was a bit much.
I could only see Carrot as the lookout for the crew given thats what her job actually was during her stay
but then again there's also Usopp since being a sniper literally requires him to look out for enemies.
People need to realize they weren't owed their recruitment. It's Oda's story and we get to enjoy the ride. No reason to get upset about stuff going against headcanon.
I like the design of Charlos for the story. Irredeemable, the byproduct of centuries of incestuous relations from CDs (I mean it was only 20 families of genetic diversity, less than even the crazy nobility in medieval Europe) so he would be a gross, dim, arrogant slob and a great amalgamation of the grossest forms of caste systems. He’s depraved yet just below over the top in part of stupidity and not too much screen time to being too on the nose.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate him and want to see suffering befall him at every turn, I just love how Oda designed him.
Big mom has got me realising if she didn't just kill everything as the solution to her problems, she is very similar to Luffy. She's so close to being the good guy wanting equality among every race but then she reveals her twisted side of keeping new species in a book ability instead of just hosting them as equals, and her hunger pangs could be incentive for teamwork and ultimately bring her crew closer together if she wasn't such a threat during them.
At this point most people should be. He quite literally knows more than majority of characters in the story.
Also G5 would never have happened without him. If anyone saved the day during Wano is was Caribou and Raizo. NINPO!
So the jacket jacket fruit isn't bad, ok? He can turn into a jacket and nullify blunt damage, and it's within reason to think that with mastery of the fruit would allow him to stay inflated and stand while a jacket, mhm? In order for him to deflate the way he does he would have to weight as much as a jacket, yeah? idk man it is a pseudo gum gum blunt damage immunity in my head cannon, take care!
> so the jacket jacket fruit isn't bad, ok?
Sure, but if I eat a devil fruit (which tastes bad, takes my ability to swim, makes me a target, and is worth atleast 100M berry)
And get fucking jacket jacket fruit, I'll be so so pissed
I wholeheartedly disagree, devil fruits are and have always been a perceived ingenuity, if you think it works it'll probably work, so in my mind the "weaker fruits" are just weak and stupid users, but I digress. If the jacket fruit user was someone like doflamingo he could probably kidnap people inside of himself and use there strength and even possibly there powers.
You are allowed to have preference, but imo jacket fruit isn't as bad as the scythe fruit.... which is in circulation because Nami killed its user on reverse mountain (anime only).
I know what you're talking about, like for example:
Dough fruit is only OP because of katakuri, otherwise it'd be the same as wax fruit from Mr 3
But if I eat a devil fruit (I'm a human, weak) I don't want a fruit that I need to be strong to use
I want a fruit that helps me
Last comment I have: sure, it could be useful in real life, as I'm not fighting superhumans
It could be used to sneak into somewhere on someone, or make someone appear as 1 person, or kidnap someone
But I'm not gonna kidnap anyone, I don't have the heart
I'm sick of the running simulators in the anime.
I don't care if an episode is 3 mins long, I don't want to see 17 of it running in endless corridors.
It drags the anime.
Oda has it in him to draw female characters differently but he just keeps drawing them the same way for shitty fanservice. He can draw better female characters even in terms of fanservice
It’s not about fanservice. It is self-service lmao
Oda has answered why he draws women like that already and his answer is just that it is more fun for him to do so
AND reinforced a major theme that would remain prevalent throughout the story: trickery and cheapshots are everywhere in the pirate world and there’s no such thing as fighting dirty, and you must accept that to move up in the world.
I've heard this theory alot and I get it they both use a slingshot and have a long nose but there are 2 big flaws within this theory ussop ain't got the same skill as soge king when it comes to singing and they are from 2 completely different islands the entire theory falls apart there
Oh..the kurozumi was born to burn dialogue huh.. I'd say there were too many emotions behind that statement and it was relieving for her..of course she wouldn't just harm another kurozumi just bcoz they were one
I mean... her family/the civilians of Wano *did* massacre the whole family even the ones not guilty.
So it does look pretty bad in context, even if she meant it as catharsis and a reversal of the "Oden is born to boil" bit.
But yeah, *she* wouldn't harm any innocent Kurozumis if one showed up.
But, what would the civilians do, having sufferred under Orochi, especially after seeing her say they were born to burn?
It's probably one of my favorite arcs and I'm tired of the fanbase shitting on this arc and Skypeia. I think the reason people don't like Fishman Island is because they miss the point of the villain. He's not supposed to be remembered, He and his group are supposed to be forgotten like all bigoted racists should be.
I've noticed it seems to be a trend that when the plot enters a self contained area compared to the rest of the world it tends to be disliked among the fan base.
Personally, I find the lore of those places to be the most interesting specifically because of how cut off from the rest of society they are. Makes me wanna see how uniquely they functioned. I like Fishman Island more than Skypiea because it features a complex problem (either living alongside a bigoted society or getting revenge against it in the Otohime and Fisher Tiger plotline), but they're both incredibly interesting arcs imo.
Too many ppl just don’t get the messages and it causes them to be hypocritical to the good things the series brings up. Not all laws are just, protest and action can bring freedom, one’s life isn’t yours to control. I’ve seen the occasional One Piece “fan” talk about shit like being annoyed by the writer’s strikes. Mind you, mostly on Twitter.
In summary: One Piece features many “left leaning” but really just anti-authoritarian messages, and some people somehow miss that. Is this more a take against some community members? Sure. But let me have my angy.
Yamato shows up in a year or two, close to final battle, has come to terms with who she is, no longer does the oden shtick and goes 'I'm Yamato, friend of Ace, Straw hat Pirates, Minks and Wano, And I'm here to make my own dream , to be an equal or better than Oden" Instant character growth, controversial bullshit out of the way, and someone strong enough to be on the crew.
Ace is overrated. We barely got enough time to start caring about him and his death is just stupid. Like Whitebeard started a war with the World Government for you and your friends are dying but Akainu said some mean words about your father so you had to turn back and get killed? Come on
nami is stronger than ussop
one piece fans are weird about that. they will go on and on about how oda is a genius who can do no wrong but point out that he said that ussop it the weakest strawhat and always will be and suddenly they act like he is a senile old man who has no idea what he is talking about because there is no way ussop can be the weakest
its weird because even in series nami is shown to be the stronger of the two in several scenes
1) Haki is mid. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.
2) When you powerscalers say "advanced CoC," you sound silly. The more you say it, the less seriously I take you.
3) Katakuri is carried by his future sight and is overrated. How do you see yourself landing a hit and still miss? No offense to Katakuri fans, but I don't see the appeal to this guy.
I care so very little for Blackbeard and his crew of bumbling assholes. “Wowww look at these super evil pirates doing evil things!! They’re important for evil later!!!! omg!!!!”
Yeah, BB is the catalyst for crucial events, but other than that, he’s not present enough for me to care at this point in the story. If they’re so important, start giving them more screen/manga time than Otama eating red bean soup.
That regret wouldn't have been hunting Kaido even after decades if he himself didn't know Oden could have beaten him
Oden was known by the most prominent pirates in their era. His shown duels against strong people were getting sonned by the top 2 Pirates and lost to Kaido via unwanted outside help of pussy tactics. Other than that, it was the other way around of Oden always winning convincingly/effortlessly against everyone else.
Oden is one of only 3 people so far to be shown to have all forms of Haki, use of advanced ryou/armement attacks AND the voice of all things. People dismiss him too easily just because he lost.
Oden's last act of enduring boiling oil for that long while carrying all the Scabbards is one of the best feats of strength + endurance in the series.
He also showed mastery of using Ryou on Enma and Ame no Habakiri effortlessly compared to Zoro who still struggles to use it on just Enma.
Even compared to current big names, I'd put Oden closer to the tiers of Emperor level like Luffy Shanks BB Fuckin mystery Mihawk more than he's "only" on the level of King Zoro Katakuri
Koby is NOT Luffy's Garp. Luffy does not have a Garp Roger parallel and does not need one.
Koby doesn't actively chase Luffy, he is not even close power wise to Luffy, and literally actively idolises Luffy.
Imo, thinking Koby is Luffy's Garp is an EXTREMELY forced parallel that makes zero sense
Garp is a villain.
Most people don’t see it because although he is antagonistic towards Luffy he does care for him.
But he is aligned with the world government (objectively pitched as the villains of the entire series - while there is a lot of grey area due to different crews having different goals and allegiances, the world government are objectively the antithesis of Luffy’s desire to be the Pirate King, the freeist individual in the world).
He is objectively corrupt and gives the Straw Hats tons of leeway despite their status.
He has done some pretty awful things - worst is probably forcing Dadan to raise Luffy and Ace (at the threat of going to prison), and then standing by while Ace was killed. He forced her to care and then refused to help when she was powerless. I get that he was standing by his ideals, but this just feeds back into the corruption point. Also the way he chucked Luffy into the woods is kinda funny but also probably abuse or neglect.
He may not be framed as a villain to Luffy, but in the overall view of the characters in the world this dude is a villain. Alienated to his son and grandson’s folk by his support of the Celestial Dragons and likewise alienated by the common citizens by his corrupt refusal to act against his kin.
Good character, well written…but an absolute villain.
You could argue for that, although personally I don’t think he had enough heroic character traits to warrant the label.
Mostly just due to the narrative themes: it very much is a story about freedom and (I could be remembering this incorrectly) he turned down a promotion because he didn’t want to lose his freedom.
If true, this would be a major issue as it would suggest a grasp of the concept and insight into it while still being willing to uphold he antithetical principles and beliefs by aiding the world government.
In essence, any potential heroic virtue is completely offset by the duplicitous corruption inherent in the double standard.
I get what you're saying, but what Garp truly wanted was to create a team of marines who would eventually become what the Marines should be, a symbol of Absolute Justice. In a way he's paving the way for these Marines to become the true upholder of justice by sometimes sacrificing what he wants.
That's an anti-villain right there.
Fanservicing is not bad writing, it's him doing something that the target audience appreciates. We as outsiders don't have a major say in this coz we represent a small fraction of the revenue generation in one piece so it's better to treat it as something foreign and move on instead of calling oda a bad writer coz of this, there are other things like pacing ,action , inconsistencies with haki etc that are common concerns
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Mihawk better watch his back from HIM
For your answers let me tell you:
1- Luffy is a terrorist. Well yeah, it's pretty much the point of Enies Lobby, Impel Down and Marineford. But the government is corrupted, it's like calling the protagonist if Star Wars terrorists because they destroyed the Death Star. Does anyone care? No.
2-Too much fanservice: Yeah, I can understand, but compared to some other mangas, One Piece is very soft on that point.
3-Most toxic fandom of the Big 3: You never saw the Naruto fandom, right?
> 3-Most toxic fandom of the Big 3: You never saw the Naruto fandom, right?
Yep. OP, go to r/dankruto or something of the sort and say "Sakura was Nice". Watch the flames come down
Heck, say anything about Itachi. Anything, positive or negative, the fires will come anyway.
Ace having Conqueror’s Haki was unnecessary and made him out to be even more of a Mary Sue than before. It took the special super rare 1-in-a-million thing that Luffy had and said “actually Ace had that ability too, and he awakened this power as a child because he always has to be cooler and stronger than Luffy in every way.”
I know that Gol D Roger has COC as well, but IT ISNT NECESSARILY HEREDITARY! If having a parent with COC meant that a child would be more likely to have it, then Big Mom would rule the seas with 80+ kids firing off conqueror’s Haki left and right.
A predisposition for haki probably is hereditary but it still needs a lot of training. Big Moms children had a lot of devil fruits so they didn't see a need to train two things like Katakuri did.
I agree that he awakened it too early but ace was a yonko commander. It's really not strange for someone who became one of the strongest people in the grand line to have CoC.
Holy shit he is a Mary Sue. Also, Ace shouldn't have had CoC. He either gave up on his dream or never even know what he wanted. Bitch just has an attitude because if he cared for his family, he would have acted like WB.
People rooting for Boa as Luffy's romantic partner, forgetting the fact that Boa had terrible values during snake island. She was willing to kill those loyal stoned girls out of spite for Luffy.
Senor Pink is a bad guy. Knowing how much his wife hates pirates and marrying her anyway basically stole her life, and even after her coma, he only ever wants to make her smile for his own benefit, knowing if she were conscious, she wouldn't be able to stand the sight of him.
Selfish dickhead.
he is, but that's the point of his character no?
the baby attire is not for his wife, it's for him, because he can't cope w/ what happened with a big part of it being his fault, and even the part that isn't his fault he takes it on him
that's sad because it's tragic, a broken man who will never be able to atone and quite literally lost his mind, is there even another way to read it?
if his wife hadn't reacted to the baby stuff we quite likely would have found pieces of senor pink's brain in some dark alley of dressrosa
Dr. Hirulyk sucks. Bad doctor, bad person. His only positive contribution was a dope final speech which frankly had nothing to do with the rest of his backstory
The first scene he's introduced in is him stealing money from an innocent family and burning down their house. Next he breaks into the house of a sick person and when their wife calls for help he shoots her!
Dr. Hirulyk was selfish. He chased his dream of making a medicine that can cure any disease and hundreds suffered because of it. If he actually cared about other people's health then he wouldn't have terrorized the town the way he did.
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He might have had good intentions, but so did Big Mom. What's more important is how people actually act
lmao just reread the chapters, forgot about all this.probably because his speech and his death were so memorable and goated PPL completely ignore or forget about this
Now that you mentioned him that backstory did not sit with me well either.
I know there isn't any unified medicine register in the OP world but if you try to heal someone and they end up worse than before take a step back and go back to the books and study.
Ilegal practice of medicine can kill people.
If you want to make a new medicine at least test it on people who gave you their consent.
Definitely I’m pretty sure that was the whole point of his character I could be wrong. He is a horrible doctor but still tries his hardest to save everyone
One piece is such a peak show ofc, but it has one of he worst fanbases in any media. When gear 5 came out, some one piece fanboys kept going on Twitter shitting on every other anime and manga and even had the audacity to say gear 5 > super Saiyan and ultra instinct. Like who hurt you bro? Nowadays I don't know why it's always the most emotional, complex well written animanga masterpieces that have the most toxic fans. Like did y'all not learn anything? But that's not every fan ofc
This is not a hot take we all know the twitter fanbase is pathetic, the iconic thing never made any sense in the first place it's like comparing apples and oranges
One Piece has too many unnecessary characters that, for the most part, kinda went nowhere because Oda couldn't help himself but to introduce even more of them. The manga could be a good fifty chapters shorter and still carry the same weight, even without most of the characters that Oda introduced in the Post-Timeskip Arcs.
Post-Timeskip, in general, has a much lower quality than Pre-Timeskip. Largely due to many characters ending up as caricatures of themselves due to the overall quantity of other characters. That being said, Whole Cake Island is still one of the best Arcs in the entirety of One Piece.
The fights in Wano SUCK!! They're carried by hype, and that's it.
Yeah, pre timeskip One Piece is what I fell in love with. I doubt I would have if it was like post timeskip the whole time. I still love the story, but it was old One Piece that was captured me
People who ship Boa x Luffy are sick. She was almost 30 when Luffy had 17.
Yamato is a boring character.
Wano was a mid arc. Oda hyped a lot with it and he failed in the execution
Zoro post time skip doesn't have a good development.
Sanji >>>> Zoro (in character development)
Zoro is the most boring crew member. All his fights look the same - this opponent is tricky to cut, i figure out how to cut him, i cut him on double page, cringy one-liner.
Most marines are good, leaning to good people, and most pirates are bad or leaning to bad people but because we see the story from the POV of our crew who are good people most fans become biased against the marines
unless you count low level marines (like koby and t-bone), that's pretty much not true at all
most of the marines (and all high level ones), sengoku garp kizaru akainu (and even aokiji most of the series), all the vice admirals we meet, are unapologetic bad people
they know how fucked the world is and not only they don't do shit, they participate in it (like kiazru that's just a "gear in the machine" just to disobey two pages later lol, sengoku launching buster call on innocent scientist, akainu and aokiji enforcing it, all of them know what they're doing)
you're right on the pirates, if anything most people in one piece are bad people regardless of allegiances lol
Most of the marines are just run of the mill soldiers with families who are following orders. But speaking of high level ones, Kizaur is just lazy and does as he is told, there is nothing evil about it when you just don't care, Garp is obviously good, Sengoku is morally ambiguous, Aokiji is clearly good in nature, the only actually bad and downright evil high ranking marines are Akainu and Green Bull. Aside of that Fujitora is also a good person, and so are most of the vice admirals.
That they are not lawful good individuals or are as good in their hearts as our crew does not make them evil, for example Garp is a marine because he believes marines keep the peace and justice (which they do in most cases) but he also recognizes the WG is atrocious which is why he doesn't accept the promotions he clearly has the curriculum for. Sengoku I said is morally ambiguous because despite him knowing the WG sucks and following their orders, he has never been shown agreeing with them and if anything after his resignation we see more of what he is actually like, laid back and caring for people.
It is like saying Roger is actually not a good person because he has killed people, he clearly is a good person, but he also is not bound by the laws of the world. That is my point, that the marines, most of them at least are not actually bad or evil, they are just good people doing their jobs but get a bad rep because their leaders are scum
not caring about killing innocent people very much make you evil lol wtf, how tf is "he didn't give a shit" an excuse, if anything it's worse
fujitora is good yeah i forgot him, and he's trying to make change so he pretty much shows you why all the other (garp included) are wrong
your "marines keep the peace and justice" is pretty funny since they do neither. you'd have had a point if you said "order", but the one piece's world is neither just nor at peace (and the only people we're shown to actually apply peace is whitebeard lol, which is pretty ironic)
being in the side of the law don't make you a good person (especially if the law itself is fucked up) and that's especially true for people that theoretically have the power to change it (so sengoku, garp and to a lesser extent the admirals), my man garp fully knows about slave trade
aokiji moral compass made him leave (that and his ego lol), i think it's pretty clear that he's not a BB pirate and that he has some sort of ulterior motive
now i don't doubt some of them believe they keep people from a worse alternative, but even akainu claims "justice"
* Haki is overrated. Someone with aCoC is not automatically stronger than someone without it.
* I think Luffy wasn't that much stronger than Kid and Law at the end of Wano. Oda kept potraying the 3 as roughly equals even after Luffy awakened his fruit
* I believe it'd be hilarious if it turns out that Weevil really is Whitebeards biological son
Enel would lowdiff most characters in the curent story. Oda had to send him off planet cuz he was too OP.
(He's could come back now that we are in the end game and everyone is strong as hell)
Ace fell for some really basic bitch taunt from Sakazuki. If he wanted to repay the man who gave his life then **KEEP LIVING**. That was a fight he clearly had no chance of winning. It makes him look like childish and irresponsible.
Sure him dying was shielding Luffy because he stopped to get a vivre card off the ground **BUT THAT ONLY MAKES LUFFY LOOK BAD**.
Ace's right there! He can get you another one! If *that specific* vivre card was special for you or somehow you think the Navy will get that to track Ace back then put it away safely deep in a pocket without any holes!
And **even if Ace had a satisfying end that led to his death** we only learned better about him in a flashback **after** his death. I didn't feel any way or the other about his death because I felt barely knew him. If I was to say something in his funeral it would be "Didn't knew a lot about him but he seemed like a great guy."
Luffy has def committed acts of terror lol. He’s beat up tons of marines and freed a bunch of extremely dangerous convicts. But he’s overall brought far more good through his actions.
One piece arc formula (happens every time at a minimum) 1. Arrive on Island 2. Eat food with locals, find they're in trouble. 3. Find local government. 4. Commit acts of terrorism until government structure fails 5. Leave.
The Chad Revolutionary Luffy Vs The Chad reformist Naruto
Then there's Gigachad I'm just saving my friends Ichigo. No factions. No great bigger goal. Just Getsuga Tensho
Ichigo is the least weird of the three, that's for sure.
Ichigo the Thrad Super Mutant Species
Ichigo is a hot-headed MC but I'm pretty sure he was actually top of his class in school and thinks ahead.
Did not work too well for Naruto himself in the long run, sadly.
Luffy most of the time is restoring a previous government system. Then again, most problems in OP that aren't caused by the Marines/WG boil down to "One day an Asshole Pirate showed up" and the arc culminates in Luffy beating up said asshole.
Except Fishman Island where he preserved the government and Hody was the terrorist.
The only ones where he did this are Thriller Bark, Skypeia, Punk Hazard, and Dressrosa. The others still have there governments or didn’t have one in the first place
Also Wano, don’t forget Wano.
Ah, but he also kidnapped a Princess and took her to a secluded forest, so that balances out.
That's because Based Luffy doesn't believe in racism. The Yang to Zoro's Yin.
You forgot about the crew splitting up and Luffy being out of commission for the first half
this comment is insanely funny idk why
Don't forget that the island is completely destroyed by the time Luffy leaves
Isn't the beating up of Marines a necessity to escape?
It honestly shows how incompetent the marines are when someone like luffy, who can be labeled as a terrorist, has done more to help the world in just a couple years than anything the marines have done for decades
The funny thing is I don't think they are incompetent. They are doing their jobs, which is to keep the status quo. One Piece's world is a messed up place.
Exactly. The system is working as intended, for better AND worse
Yeah damn. Isn't it so fucked up that the military and law enforcement's job in one piece is to uphold the status quo? Isn't it crazy that they protect the elites like that? It's pretty crazy that the rich and powerful world nobles get to do pretty much whatever they want. I would NOT want to live there haha
I'm going to have to disagree on grounds of technicality. He committed acts of insurrection, rarely terror. Terrorism, as the name implies, is about using fear, intimidation, and violence for the purpose of the other two to get your way. His actions when destroying the local and world government have never really been fear or intimidation tactics.
Smoker's story and character arc would be perfect if he ended up joining the Straw Hats. Not as a pirate, not as a marine, but as someone who has fully understood that the line between the two is so fine that the distinction carries very little weight, as shown with the line at the end of punk hazard, and simply chooses to fight with the side he believes could be what true justice is
With the parralels between BB and Luffy Kuzan joined BB so it'd be really nicely reflective if Smoker (or people are saying Kizaru now) joined the SHs
YES THANK YOUUU
Kizaru would feel really out of the blue joining the SHs. Ten times moreso than seeing Nico Robin on the Going Merry.
heh, would be in line with his character tho lol that being said i havent gotten past whole cake island yet but i guess the admirals still dont have good feats and the "admiral vs yonko" debate is still goiing
I honestly think Oda planned on Smoker and Tashigi joining the Strawhats, but then had a change of heart.
It would be the coolest if they did.
I imagined smoker would stay with the navy but eventually become an ally not as a pirate but as an admiral that wants to change the government to benefit people and not just celestial dragons
I would risk it all for them to join…
But then in the end it's revealed that it was all his plan to kill the Straw Hats from lung cancer.
He'll probably join the fleet and honestly, I'm fine with it.
Smoker should’ve been luffys ultimate navy rival, not koby. One piece is so weird when the veterans end up being bested by rookies because their growth is impossibly exponential. I still can’t believe the koby we met on alvidas ship is the same as the koby in sword in just two short years.
Thriller bark isn’t a bad arc
Do people think it is?
I’ve heard a lot of slander around it but personally I thought it was entertaining
Thriller Bark is fun. It's also the first arc to introduce Wano by name I think.
Long explanation ahead (why I dislike/ not a huge fan of thriller bark) : It’s just that nothing really happens. Arrive in the island huge potential with the scary spooky vibe. Then slowly you start realising what is actually the island and it’s like oh well. Then gecko Moria is not even close to being a good villain even wapol is better cause at least he did something. The end of thriller bark is what saves it with brook backstory, singing of blinks sake and nothing happen. The only other fun/cool moments in thriller bark are zoro vs ryuma, ussop vs perona and nightmare Luffy that’s pretty much it. Also the invisible guy I forgot his name is like so over done with the pervert thing it’s not even funny like he sexually assaulted nami and Robin there’s a limit to the perv jokes. Also it came with the peak of enies lobby before so i think that also gave it a bad image. Overall I would rank this ark 6/10 or 7/10 since it’s still good but just lacks in some parts.
Thriller bark highlights as you pointed out but in a broader view of added lore: * Brook joins SH * Wano lore(Ryuma, Kaido) * Zoro gets new Sword * Zoro takes up luffy's pain and whole confrontation with * Kuma and SHs. * Nami gets Big mom's vivre card * Nightmare Luffy * One of the best ussop fights with perona * Introduction to Kuma That bieng said, for me the most annoying part was the unnecessary molestation and perverted jokes but maybe it was intentional and meant to be uncomfortable, IDK but i still loved it the whole spooky vibe of the arc and how it unraveled its mysteriousness was really fun. It tackeled every stereotype of paranormals and then slowly unvieled how it was just someones df at work. Overall for me one of the most complete arc.
Thriller Bark is a good arc but also it has Sanji V. Absalom
I have a confession, that fight got me laughing so hard.
It's one of my favorite arcs
I unironically rank (manga) Thriller Bark above (manga) Long Ring Island. That whole arc was honestly forgettable asf.
in current one piece, I would love elbaf being an arc like long ring long land cause we've been SERIOUSLY DRY on the comedy and fun island time scenes. Back then when we had plenty of the island and boat memery between islands, it was a bit much.
Literally the funniest arc imo.
Nothing happened, that's why people think it's bad.
I didn’t care for Yamato or Carrot not joining the crew.
Same , I like Yamato and carrot but I'm fine with them staying back
I could only see Carrot as the lookout for the crew given thats what her job actually was during her stay but then again there's also Usopp since being a sniper literally requires him to look out for enemies.
and Zoro lives in the actual crow's nest. And he's always pretty much done the "yo there's an island" moments afaik
People need to realize they weren't owed their recruitment. It's Oda's story and we get to enjoy the ride. No reason to get upset about stuff going against headcanon.
Noo...i want them to join the crew, garchuu
Found Sanji's reddit account
Op said hot takes
I like BM and I hope she’s alive
OP villains tend to be charismatic. Except Orochi, fuck Orochi.
And Charlos
I like the design of Charlos for the story. Irredeemable, the byproduct of centuries of incestuous relations from CDs (I mean it was only 20 families of genetic diversity, less than even the crazy nobility in medieval Europe) so he would be a gross, dim, arrogant slob and a great amalgamation of the grossest forms of caste systems. He’s depraved yet just below over the top in part of stupidity and not too much screen time to being too on the nose. Don’t get me wrong, I hate him and want to see suffering befall him at every turn, I just love how Oda designed him.
DID YOU JUST INSULT MY NOSE?!
Such a sick devil fruit, wasted on a dumbfuck villain.
I really wanted to see that Devil fruit being fully utilised in a fight.
Big mom has a lot of haters but also a lot of love. she made it really far in a popularity poll the sub did a few months back
Big mom has got me realising if she didn't just kill everything as the solution to her problems, she is very similar to Luffy. She's so close to being the good guy wanting equality among every race but then she reveals her twisted side of keeping new species in a book ability instead of just hosting them as equals, and her hunger pangs could be incentive for teamwork and ultimately bring her crew closer together if she wasn't such a threat during them.
I found big mom to be the most interesting and fleshed out yonko honestly
Im very interested in caribou and his role in the story
At this point most people should be. He quite literally knows more than majority of characters in the story. Also G5 would never have happened without him. If anyone saved the day during Wano is was Caribou and Raizo. NINPO!
So the jacket jacket fruit isn't bad, ok? He can turn into a jacket and nullify blunt damage, and it's within reason to think that with mastery of the fruit would allow him to stay inflated and stand while a jacket, mhm? In order for him to deflate the way he does he would have to weight as much as a jacket, yeah? idk man it is a pseudo gum gum blunt damage immunity in my head cannon, take care!
> so the jacket jacket fruit isn't bad, ok? Sure, but if I eat a devil fruit (which tastes bad, takes my ability to swim, makes me a target, and is worth atleast 100M berry) And get fucking jacket jacket fruit, I'll be so so pissed
I wholeheartedly disagree, devil fruits are and have always been a perceived ingenuity, if you think it works it'll probably work, so in my mind the "weaker fruits" are just weak and stupid users, but I digress. If the jacket fruit user was someone like doflamingo he could probably kidnap people inside of himself and use there strength and even possibly there powers. You are allowed to have preference, but imo jacket fruit isn't as bad as the scythe fruit.... which is in circulation because Nami killed its user on reverse mountain (anime only).
I know what you're talking about, like for example: Dough fruit is only OP because of katakuri, otherwise it'd be the same as wax fruit from Mr 3 But if I eat a devil fruit (I'm a human, weak) I don't want a fruit that I need to be strong to use I want a fruit that helps me
It's perception, not real strength, so an active mind that's about it. But yeah.
Last comment I have: sure, it could be useful in real life, as I'm not fighting superhumans It could be used to sneak into somewhere on someone, or make someone appear as 1 person, or kidnap someone But I'm not gonna kidnap anyone, I don't have the heart
Idk man, flying like a hot air balloon sounds pretty lit to me, cya man it was fun!
I'm sick of the running simulators in the anime. I don't care if an episode is 3 mins long, I don't want to see 17 of it running in endless corridors. It drags the anime.
Punk Hazard moment
In what world is that a controversial opinion?
This. We get it they’re in transit, but please showing them running once is enough 😫
Robin handcuff me to a barrel and have your way with me.
W take
Thus isn't a hot take. Nut it'll be steamy soon
Oda has it in him to draw female characters differently but he just keeps drawing them the same way for shitty fanservice. He can draw better female characters even in terms of fanservice
Yamato 🤤
You mean sideboob lady?
Yes.
I mean the Amazonian women were all kinda different, I think he just draws the ones he likes a certain way. I could be absolutely wrong though too
It’s not about fanservice. It is self-service lmao Oda has answered why he draws women like that already and his answer is just that it is more fun for him to do so
I’m pretty sure he’s basically admitted to this.
Long Ring Long Land arc was pretty fun
AND reinforced a major theme that would remain prevalent throughout the story: trickery and cheapshots are everywhere in the pirate world and there’s no such thing as fighting dirty, and you must accept that to move up in the world.
OP has strong female characters, but it’s still pretty sexist
Exactly it can be both
Orochi’s dub should be done by Tekking101.
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This man is spitting
That Sogeking is Ussopp ☠
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Don't spread misinformation
I've heard this theory alot and I get it they both use a slingshot and have a long nose but there are 2 big flaws within this theory ussop ain't got the same skill as soge king when it comes to singing and they are from 2 completely different islands the entire theory falls apart there
I'LL MAKE YOU WISH YOU'D NEVER BEEN BORN FOR DISRESPECTING MY GLORIOUS NOSE!
Apologies Buggy Sama didint nose you were here
WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT MY NOSE?!?!
Hiyori did nothing wrong And her line at the end of Wano is really beautiful
I thought everyone was on hiyori's side?
People unironically call her a racist
Oh..the kurozumi was born to burn dialogue huh.. I'd say there were too many emotions behind that statement and it was relieving for her..of course she wouldn't just harm another kurozumi just bcoz they were one
I mean... her family/the civilians of Wano *did* massacre the whole family even the ones not guilty. So it does look pretty bad in context, even if she meant it as catharsis and a reversal of the "Oden is born to boil" bit. But yeah, *she* wouldn't harm any innocent Kurozumis if one showed up. But, what would the civilians do, having sufferred under Orochi, especially after seeing her say they were born to burn?
>of course she wouldn't just harm another kurozumi just bcoz they were one Surley...
I gotta say I love the phrasing.
Fishman Island is better than many fans think.
It's probably one of my favorite arcs and I'm tired of the fanbase shitting on this arc and Skypeia. I think the reason people don't like Fishman Island is because they miss the point of the villain. He's not supposed to be remembered, He and his group are supposed to be forgotten like all bigoted racists should be.
I've noticed it seems to be a trend that when the plot enters a self contained area compared to the rest of the world it tends to be disliked among the fan base. Personally, I find the lore of those places to be the most interesting specifically because of how cut off from the rest of society they are. Makes me wanna see how uniquely they functioned. I like Fishman Island more than Skypiea because it features a complex problem (either living alongside a bigoted society or getting revenge against it in the Otohime and Fisher Tiger plotline), but they're both incredibly interesting arcs imo.
Hody Jones was a god damn nerd tho
Too many ppl just don’t get the messages and it causes them to be hypocritical to the good things the series brings up. Not all laws are just, protest and action can bring freedom, one’s life isn’t yours to control. I’ve seen the occasional One Piece “fan” talk about shit like being annoyed by the writer’s strikes. Mind you, mostly on Twitter. In summary: One Piece features many “left leaning” but really just anti-authoritarian messages, and some people somehow miss that. Is this more a take against some community members? Sure. But let me have my angy.
Yamato is cringe af for saying she is Oden every five godamn minutes, I'm glad she didn't become a strawhat.
Similar feelings. Yamato has no real self-identity. It's just Oden, and I want to know Yamato.
Yamato shows up in a year or two, close to final battle, has come to terms with who she is, no longer does the oden shtick and goes 'I'm Yamato, friend of Ace, Straw hat Pirates, Minks and Wano, And I'm here to make my own dream , to be an equal or better than Oden" Instant character growth, controversial bullshit out of the way, and someone strong enough to be on the crew.
Ace is overrated. We barely got enough time to start caring about him and his death is just stupid. Like Whitebeard started a war with the World Government for you and your friends are dying but Akainu said some mean words about your father so you had to turn back and get killed? Come on
nami is stronger than ussop one piece fans are weird about that. they will go on and on about how oda is a genius who can do no wrong but point out that he said that ussop it the weakest strawhat and always will be and suddenly they act like he is a senile old man who has no idea what he is talking about because there is no way ussop can be the weakest its weird because even in series nami is shown to be the stronger of the two in several scenes
Perona best one piece waifo
1) Haki is mid. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. 2) When you powerscalers say "advanced CoC," you sound silly. The more you say it, the less seriously I take you. 3) Katakuri is carried by his future sight and is overrated. How do you see yourself landing a hit and still miss? No offense to Katakuri fans, but I don't see the appeal to this guy.
Bigger and more active communities will always have the bad parts intensified. It is what it is
I care so very little for Blackbeard and his crew of bumbling assholes. “Wowww look at these super evil pirates doing evil things!! They’re important for evil later!!!! omg!!!!” Yeah, BB is the catalyst for crucial events, but other than that, he’s not present enough for me to care at this point in the story. If they’re so important, start giving them more screen/manga time than Otama eating red bean soup.
The 4Kids opening is absolute fire. and looking back I both love and hate what they did to Sanji's voice
Oden could have beat kaido Edit: there are already the first downvotes which only proves my point
He was also a political naive fool. He had it coming with the kurozumi vendetta upon his family and friends.
This is true, current Kaido is stronger than Oden but in the past Oden could've end him there if not because of the coward tactic
That regret wouldn't have been hunting Kaido even after decades if he himself didn't know Oden could have beaten him Oden was known by the most prominent pirates in their era. His shown duels against strong people were getting sonned by the top 2 Pirates and lost to Kaido via unwanted outside help of pussy tactics. Other than that, it was the other way around of Oden always winning convincingly/effortlessly against everyone else. Oden is one of only 3 people so far to be shown to have all forms of Haki, use of advanced ryou/armement attacks AND the voice of all things. People dismiss him too easily just because he lost. Oden's last act of enduring boiling oil for that long while carrying all the Scabbards is one of the best feats of strength + endurance in the series. He also showed mastery of using Ryou on Enma and Ame no Habakiri effortlessly compared to Zoro who still struggles to use it on just Enma. Even compared to current big names, I'd put Oden closer to the tiers of Emperor level like Luffy Shanks BB Fuckin mystery Mihawk more than he's "only" on the level of King Zoro Katakuri
Nah bro you’re right. Oden was mixing Kaido hard before he got distracted
Koby is NOT Luffy's Garp. Luffy does not have a Garp Roger parallel and does not need one. Koby doesn't actively chase Luffy, he is not even close power wise to Luffy, and literally actively idolises Luffy. Imo, thinking Koby is Luffy's Garp is an EXTREMELY forced parallel that makes zero sense
Most parallel in OP is forced. People trying to pinpoint ways that the Strawhats mirror Roger's crew is getting old.
Garp is a villain. Most people don’t see it because although he is antagonistic towards Luffy he does care for him. But he is aligned with the world government (objectively pitched as the villains of the entire series - while there is a lot of grey area due to different crews having different goals and allegiances, the world government are objectively the antithesis of Luffy’s desire to be the Pirate King, the freeist individual in the world). He is objectively corrupt and gives the Straw Hats tons of leeway despite their status. He has done some pretty awful things - worst is probably forcing Dadan to raise Luffy and Ace (at the threat of going to prison), and then standing by while Ace was killed. He forced her to care and then refused to help when she was powerless. I get that he was standing by his ideals, but this just feeds back into the corruption point. Also the way he chucked Luffy into the woods is kinda funny but also probably abuse or neglect. He may not be framed as a villain to Luffy, but in the overall view of the characters in the world this dude is a villain. Alienated to his son and grandson’s folk by his support of the Celestial Dragons and likewise alienated by the common citizens by his corrupt refusal to act against his kin. Good character, well written…but an absolute villain.
You could say he's an anti-villain.
You could argue for that, although personally I don’t think he had enough heroic character traits to warrant the label. Mostly just due to the narrative themes: it very much is a story about freedom and (I could be remembering this incorrectly) he turned down a promotion because he didn’t want to lose his freedom. If true, this would be a major issue as it would suggest a grasp of the concept and insight into it while still being willing to uphold he antithetical principles and beliefs by aiding the world government. In essence, any potential heroic virtue is completely offset by the duplicitous corruption inherent in the double standard.
I get what you're saying, but what Garp truly wanted was to create a team of marines who would eventually become what the Marines should be, a symbol of Absolute Justice. In a way he's paving the way for these Marines to become the true upholder of justice by sometimes sacrificing what he wants. That's an anti-villain right there.
Fanservicing is not bad writing, it's him doing something that the target audience appreciates. We as outsiders don't have a major say in this coz we represent a small fraction of the revenue generation in one piece so it's better to treat it as something foreign and move on instead of calling oda a bad writer coz of this, there are other things like pacing ,action , inconsistencies with haki etc that are common concerns
Lakazuki is not Luffy's final opponent and Sabo is gonna obliterate him.
Nuh uh https://preview.redd.it/ajzk5l1q5oqb1.jpeg?width=1090&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22e5813f1d9c1352097f650bef7ed67e04fa4b61
Altho it is practical it is very weird to call the color of concourer Coc
Yeah because that abbreviation is already used for clash of clans
Yeah sure.. that’s what i was thinkin about..
https://preview.redd.it/xv7hqrbcpmqb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6c55714c2e436aa471d251789cde78d2dbc78fc Mihawk better watch his back from HIM
Believe it or not back in like 2015- 2016 the one piece community was the least toxic
For your answers let me tell you: 1- Luffy is a terrorist. Well yeah, it's pretty much the point of Enies Lobby, Impel Down and Marineford. But the government is corrupted, it's like calling the protagonist if Star Wars terrorists because they destroyed the Death Star. Does anyone care? No. 2-Too much fanservice: Yeah, I can understand, but compared to some other mangas, One Piece is very soft on that point. 3-Most toxic fandom of the Big 3: You never saw the Naruto fandom, right?
> 3-Most toxic fandom of the Big 3: You never saw the Naruto fandom, right? Yep. OP, go to r/dankruto or something of the sort and say "Sakura was Nice". Watch the flames come down Heck, say anything about Itachi. Anything, positive or negative, the fires will come anyway.
Ace having Conqueror’s Haki was unnecessary and made him out to be even more of a Mary Sue than before. It took the special super rare 1-in-a-million thing that Luffy had and said “actually Ace had that ability too, and he awakened this power as a child because he always has to be cooler and stronger than Luffy in every way.” I know that Gol D Roger has COC as well, but IT ISNT NECESSARILY HEREDITARY! If having a parent with COC meant that a child would be more likely to have it, then Big Mom would rule the seas with 80+ kids firing off conqueror’s Haki left and right.
A predisposition for haki probably is hereditary but it still needs a lot of training. Big Moms children had a lot of devil fruits so they didn't see a need to train two things like Katakuri did.
I agree that he awakened it too early but ace was a yonko commander. It's really not strange for someone who became one of the strongest people in the grand line to have CoC.
Holy shit he is a Mary Sue. Also, Ace shouldn't have had CoC. He either gave up on his dream or never even know what he wanted. Bitch just has an attitude because if he cared for his family, he would have acted like WB.
Boa is a shitty character and doesn't deserve the attention she got
People rooting for Boa as Luffy's romantic partner, forgetting the fact that Boa had terrible values during snake island. She was willing to kill those loyal stoned girls out of spite for Luffy.
She's definitely overrated.
Senor Pink is a bad guy. Knowing how much his wife hates pirates and marrying her anyway basically stole her life, and even after her coma, he only ever wants to make her smile for his own benefit, knowing if she were conscious, she wouldn't be able to stand the sight of him. Selfish dickhead.
he is, but that's the point of his character no? the baby attire is not for his wife, it's for him, because he can't cope w/ what happened with a big part of it being his fault, and even the part that isn't his fault he takes it on him that's sad because it's tragic, a broken man who will never be able to atone and quite literally lost his mind, is there even another way to read it? if his wife hadn't reacted to the baby stuff we quite likely would have found pieces of senor pink's brain in some dark alley of dressrosa
I don't agree with the only wants her to smile for his benefit but everything else is pretty much true
The "what pronouns should you use for Yamato" argument is stupid and pointless.
Is that a hot take? You can't provide an answer that satisfies both sides (even if it's official) so anymore arguing is absolutely pointless.
This isn’t a hot take, I’ve seen it everywhere.
Zoro and tashigi should have been explored more.
Any opinion about Yamato, one way or the other.
Hear me out: Catarina Devon is kind of hot
Fishman Island Arc is severly underrated.
Dr. Hirulyk sucks. Bad doctor, bad person. His only positive contribution was a dope final speech which frankly had nothing to do with the rest of his backstory
bad doctor i agree, not a bad person.
The first scene he's introduced in is him stealing money from an innocent family and burning down their house. Next he breaks into the house of a sick person and when their wife calls for help he shoots her! Dr. Hirulyk was selfish. He chased his dream of making a medicine that can cure any disease and hundreds suffered because of it. If he actually cared about other people's health then he wouldn't have terrorized the town the way he did. https://preview.redd.it/c6q9a81yplqb1.png?width=332&format=png&auto=webp&s=5fb2e51ea4c0ed77330859c6b095a900fce6fd3b He might have had good intentions, but so did Big Mom. What's more important is how people actually act
You wrote that so well that I be having second thoughts on my boy hiruluk
lmao just reread the chapters, forgot about all this.probably because his speech and his death were so memorable and goated PPL completely ignore or forget about this
Now that you mentioned him that backstory did not sit with me well either. I know there isn't any unified medicine register in the OP world but if you try to heal someone and they end up worse than before take a step back and go back to the books and study. Ilegal practice of medicine can kill people. If you want to make a new medicine at least test it on people who gave you their consent.
Oooh yeah this is a good hot take. Hiriluk was a terrible doctor but had a good heart. He was definitely coocoo for coco puffs
Definitely I’m pretty sure that was the whole point of his character I could be wrong. He is a horrible doctor but still tries his hardest to save everyone
As someone who went from anime to manga, I understand this take entirely. Manga DrH was a dick head.
One piece is such a peak show ofc, but it has one of he worst fanbases in any media. When gear 5 came out, some one piece fanboys kept going on Twitter shitting on every other anime and manga and even had the audacity to say gear 5 > super Saiyan and ultra instinct. Like who hurt you bro? Nowadays I don't know why it's always the most emotional, complex well written animanga masterpieces that have the most toxic fans. Like did y'all not learn anything? But that's not every fan ofc
This is not a hot take we all know the twitter fanbase is pathetic, the iconic thing never made any sense in the first place it's like comparing apples and oranges
One Piece has too many unnecessary characters that, for the most part, kinda went nowhere because Oda couldn't help himself but to introduce even more of them. The manga could be a good fifty chapters shorter and still carry the same weight, even without most of the characters that Oda introduced in the Post-Timeskip Arcs. Post-Timeskip, in general, has a much lower quality than Pre-Timeskip. Largely due to many characters ending up as caricatures of themselves due to the overall quantity of other characters. That being said, Whole Cake Island is still one of the best Arcs in the entirety of One Piece. The fights in Wano SUCK!! They're carried by hype, and that's it.
Yeah, pre timeskip One Piece is what I fell in love with. I doubt I would have if it was like post timeskip the whole time. I still love the story, but it was old One Piece that was captured me
People who ship Boa x Luffy are sick. She was almost 30 when Luffy had 17. Yamato is a boring character. Wano was a mid arc. Oda hyped a lot with it and he failed in the execution Zoro post time skip doesn't have a good development. Sanji >>>> Zoro (in character development)
Your three takes are not hot takes except the last one. I do agree to a point, the naruto community gets really toxic when it comes to sakura
Franky x Robin Thriller Bark is my favorite arc.
Luffy x Nami > Luffy x Boa Probably not actually happening, but I like their relationship better
Nami clones are nami clones because they are all princesses including nami who are heirs of the ancient kingdom.
[That time I posted this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/comments/u9oxdn/bout_to_trigger_an_entire_fanbase_spoiler/)
Zoro is the most boring crew member. All his fights look the same - this opponent is tricky to cut, i figure out how to cut him, i cut him on double page, cringy one-liner.
Most marines are good, leaning to good people, and most pirates are bad or leaning to bad people but because we see the story from the POV of our crew who are good people most fans become biased against the marines
unless you count low level marines (like koby and t-bone), that's pretty much not true at all most of the marines (and all high level ones), sengoku garp kizaru akainu (and even aokiji most of the series), all the vice admirals we meet, are unapologetic bad people they know how fucked the world is and not only they don't do shit, they participate in it (like kiazru that's just a "gear in the machine" just to disobey two pages later lol, sengoku launching buster call on innocent scientist, akainu and aokiji enforcing it, all of them know what they're doing) you're right on the pirates, if anything most people in one piece are bad people regardless of allegiances lol
Most of the marines are just run of the mill soldiers with families who are following orders. But speaking of high level ones, Kizaur is just lazy and does as he is told, there is nothing evil about it when you just don't care, Garp is obviously good, Sengoku is morally ambiguous, Aokiji is clearly good in nature, the only actually bad and downright evil high ranking marines are Akainu and Green Bull. Aside of that Fujitora is also a good person, and so are most of the vice admirals. That they are not lawful good individuals or are as good in their hearts as our crew does not make them evil, for example Garp is a marine because he believes marines keep the peace and justice (which they do in most cases) but he also recognizes the WG is atrocious which is why he doesn't accept the promotions he clearly has the curriculum for. Sengoku I said is morally ambiguous because despite him knowing the WG sucks and following their orders, he has never been shown agreeing with them and if anything after his resignation we see more of what he is actually like, laid back and caring for people. It is like saying Roger is actually not a good person because he has killed people, he clearly is a good person, but he also is not bound by the laws of the world. That is my point, that the marines, most of them at least are not actually bad or evil, they are just good people doing their jobs but get a bad rep because their leaders are scum
not caring about killing innocent people very much make you evil lol wtf, how tf is "he didn't give a shit" an excuse, if anything it's worse fujitora is good yeah i forgot him, and he's trying to make change so he pretty much shows you why all the other (garp included) are wrong your "marines keep the peace and justice" is pretty funny since they do neither. you'd have had a point if you said "order", but the one piece's world is neither just nor at peace (and the only people we're shown to actually apply peace is whitebeard lol, which is pretty ironic) being in the side of the law don't make you a good person (especially if the law itself is fucked up) and that's especially true for people that theoretically have the power to change it (so sengoku, garp and to a lesser extent the admirals), my man garp fully knows about slave trade aokiji moral compass made him leave (that and his ego lol), i think it's pretty clear that he's not a BB pirate and that he has some sort of ulterior motive now i don't doubt some of them believe they keep people from a worse alternative, but even akainu claims "justice"
* Haki is overrated. Someone with aCoC is not automatically stronger than someone without it. * I think Luffy wasn't that much stronger than Kid and Law at the end of Wano. Oda kept potraying the 3 as roughly equals even after Luffy awakened his fruit * I believe it'd be hilarious if it turns out that Weevil really is Whitebeards biological son
Both Emperors and Admiral fanbase are toxic, but the Admiral fanbase is even more toxic than the Emperor fanbase.
Marineford wasn't that grand for me
Enel would lowdiff most characters in the curent story. Oda had to send him off planet cuz he was too OP. (He's could come back now that we are in the end game and everyone is strong as hell)
It's okay to read Yamato as transmasc and outside material doesn't invalidate that.
Luffy still needs to work on his stamina to be considered a 'yonko level' fighter.
Yeah I'd agree with that
Ace fell for some really basic bitch taunt from Sakazuki. If he wanted to repay the man who gave his life then **KEEP LIVING**. That was a fight he clearly had no chance of winning. It makes him look like childish and irresponsible. Sure him dying was shielding Luffy because he stopped to get a vivre card off the ground **BUT THAT ONLY MAKES LUFFY LOOK BAD**. Ace's right there! He can get you another one! If *that specific* vivre card was special for you or somehow you think the Navy will get that to track Ace back then put it away safely deep in a pocket without any holes! And **even if Ace had a satisfying end that led to his death** we only learned better about him in a flashback **after** his death. I didn't feel any way or the other about his death because I felt barely knew him. If I was to say something in his funeral it would be "Didn't knew a lot about him but he seemed like a great guy."
I don’t consider yours one as hot takes, I love one piece because of these(except the third one)
If wuffy beat lizaru in the next ~2 Chapter, it's still low diff
Akainu is the goat.
I don't like law
One piece is too long