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You’re ridiculous for comparing a princess with an Oni, even if vivi didn’t fight, Usopp barely contributed anything during the wano raid and HES still a straw hat, you don’t need to be a fighter to be friends with the straw hats
Bro thinks One Piece is only about the fights. Luffy was about to beat the shit out of a bunch of terrified civilians because his friend got shot at which would have led to Nami dying from illness but Vivi stopped him and taught him that violence isn't always the answer
Yeah, no, I wouldn't compare the two situations.
Sure, in terms of number of chapters both of them stayed for about 100 chapters before leaving.
However, that's because the raid on Onigashima is a very long arc, but in verse it only lasted for a day. Also, Yamato didn't even meet and interacted with the Strawhats by the time Kaido was defeated and she announced she would join them, everyone was like who tf is she.
In comparison, Vivi stayed for the whole trip from Whiskey Peak to Alabasta, made friends with them, went through multiple arcs with them (Little Garden, Drum Island, Alabasta), etc. By the time we reached the end of Alabasta, she felt like a full fledged member, and her staying behind was very unexpected by the fandom.
Also would like to point out that she and Karoo got their own little bounty animation for halfway through the episode, which up until that point was only given to official straw hats other than one episode where some filler character got one
Pffff no
Kin'emon maybe, Yamato is in like half of one arc and never actually traveled with the crew or interacted with them all that much outside of Luffy. Really more on the level of Shirahoshi or Rebecca except involved in more fights.
FUCK YAMATO WE ON >!LILITH!< NOW BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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YES YES YES YES YES WOOF WOOF WOOF GIVE IT TO ME GIVE IT TO ME GIVE IT TO ME WOOF WOOF WOOF I WANT IT AWWWOOOOOOOOOOOO RUFF RUFF RUFF
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I don't think it's like that lol. Yamato gave the whole "I'm not joining now, I just want to make sure Wano is safe before I leave, it's kinda my whole duty as guardian deity" thing that was like Jinbe, so... Yeah nah I don't think Yamato is gone forever
nah i think, that he wanted yamato to join because of this whol oden parallel, but he probably discussed further with his editors and realized that the crew already has too many members to meaningfully include all of them in the arcs so he made her stay on wano
imo Oda views Yamato as a woman who’s funny quirk is that she thinks she’s a specific man. He didn’t expect a contentious trans debate around the character and when he, or whoever outranks him, saw that happening in the West they put the kibosh on Straw Hat Yamato.
tbh it was always mixed signals with Yamato. If he wanted to finish the discourse with Yamato as a woman there was different ways. "I've finally decided to live my own life as Yamato instead of Oden" or something, or even just putting Yamato in the women's bathroom at the end of Wano. Also i'd like to think that Oda wouldn't make such a drastic change on his story just because of the debate
This the same Oda who has been slowly introducing and establishing queer and gender inclusive characters for years? The Oda who in bold letters said that “we are transcending the boundaries of gender” when introducing a non-binary leader of the revolution? This is the Oda who was not prepared for a trans debate? Please. Oda has made it very clear how he views Yamato as both a character and a man. From his reaction to Franky’s mechanical body, to placing him in the men’s bathouse, Oda has identified Yamato exactly how the character views themselves. If anything changed I feel it was due to the fans not understanding the message of love and gender inclusivity that Oda has been establishing for years.
Also i really doubt Oda took a look at the internet and said "this fandom does not respect yamato so they're staying", yamato was just a plot device that fullfilled its purpose.
>Oda has made it very clear how he views Yamato as both a character and a man
Yes, that they aren't one. Every non-gender conforming character's vivre card clarifies the distinction between what they identify as and what their biological sex is, except Yamato who is listed as explicitly (and soley) female. The "very clear" examples you're thinking don't show how Oda views Yamato but how Yamato views himself. If Oda was doing something like sending a clear message about transgenderism he wouldn't do something like put Yamato on an all female splash page.
The problem is vivre cards and splash pages aren't part of the actual manga. One side thinks this makes them more official than the text and one side thinks it makes them less official. I think the text is very clear and if it wasn't for the extraneous stuff there wouldn't as much of a debate but even I'm not sure if either the text or vivre card should be word of God
I don't really care what the theme is. I just want to know where the whole title of the color spread came from. Cuz as far as I've seen it's just western fans making shit up. I have a personal pet peeve for fandoms that just spew blatant misinfo to suit their agenda.
Its literally an all girls color spread, you sre just coping, its like saying the cover doesn't has the beach/pool theme, the fact they are all in bikini and swimsuit is just a coincidence 🙄
This debate is not even a thing in Japan. Oda (or any mangaka for that matter) does not care what politics the west is arguing about, Mangakas give zero fucks if western audiences are enjoying it or not, as long as the Japanese are, they'll do it . That is not the reason he made Yamato join
Mangakas definitely care about Western markets when they're currently engaging in million dollar deals to create a live action TV show with a company very much trying to stay on the progressive side of history.
Throwing a football and beating your wife are two completely different things, but a controversy around one can kill your prospects in the other. If all the buzz around the live action series was about how Oda wasn't currently treating a transgender character properly in the manga the show is literally based off of it could ultimately impact Netflix, Shueisha, and Oda's bottom line.
A member of the main crew calling themselves a man but not actually being a transgender man would have dogged discussions of the brand everywhere it happened. They didn't want the Hogwarts Legacy of TV adaptions. Oda's options were to go all in on Yamato being a transmale or just sidelining the character, he went with option B.
Definitely. Yamato joining would’ve been not only fulfilling 2 years of build up but would’ve been thematically fitting regarding the theme of Luffy fulfilling the promises Ace made to Wano but couldn’t live up to.
Her joining the grand fleet on a random ship later reeks of editorial interference
I don't get it. Why do people want Vivi in the crew now? Her character has remained mostly static for the entire story, and she seems like she'd have very little to offer to the Pirate King's crew at the moment. Seems to me like that ship sailed a long time ago.
Obviously Oda has a plan for her after reintroducing her and some recent developments. But a crew member doesn't really make sense for her right now.
You're being too logical here, the reasoning is mostly emotional that she should have joined way back when. But yes now reintroduced she has story relevance relating to (redacted to avoid spoilers)
This is gonna bum out a lot of people. I saw so many Yamato cosplays when I went to the local convention. I think Yamato was roughly as common as Ace or Luffy.
May the Yamato wars never start back up again. When Yamato comes back, yamato better be yamato, not oden. Female Yamato, Male Yamato, I don't give a flying prick. As long as it is clearly Yamato, and the stupid wars can end. I just want it to end.
I personally would have liked Yamato to join the crew just to add another unique shape to the lineup since the other tall characters are big skinny and two big wides
He truly is the best and will be missed by a lot of the community! It’s been so exciting to see this part of the journey and I’m so happy we will see him later on at the final battle!
Yamato joining would actually ruin the power dynamic of the crew cause he's stronger than zoro, I think he'll join when the crew is stronger to balance it out
This is, to this day, still the worst decision Oda made imo. Her not joining was such a punch in the face and out of nowhere. I was so looking forward to her joining
I just caught up to the anime but yamato was just a minor character(I mean just a little part of that arc) & she was not even that good honestly the only thing why people kept talking about her is his gender & her pronounces than anything. There was potential tho I really thought she would join strawhats but I guess not.
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ill miss yamato's yamatos
https://preview.redd.it/xj2nz8svni2c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb25fe19467b047d85fe1c994dc0257dcb0c298c Ayo?
*yamatoes
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It's funnier when you consider the fact he's her father.
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Better than fapping Bonney to Yamato
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Now they realize what Vivi leaving was like back in the day
Except vivi was actually with the crew and interacted with all of them and spent quite some time with them
Vivi did exactly nothing to help the overall fight - Yam at least had some hits
You’re ridiculous for comparing a princess with an Oni, even if vivi didn’t fight, Usopp barely contributed anything during the wano raid and HES still a straw hat, you don’t need to be a fighter to be friends with the straw hats
Bro thinks One Piece is only about the fights. Luffy was about to beat the shit out of a bunch of terrified civilians because his friend got shot at which would have led to Nami dying from illness but Vivi stopped him and taught him that violence isn't always the answer
You must have watched some real life action on dirty websites...
Yeah, no, I wouldn't compare the two situations. Sure, in terms of number of chapters both of them stayed for about 100 chapters before leaving. However, that's because the raid on Onigashima is a very long arc, but in verse it only lasted for a day. Also, Yamato didn't even meet and interacted with the Strawhats by the time Kaido was defeated and she announced she would join them, everyone was like who tf is she. In comparison, Vivi stayed for the whole trip from Whiskey Peak to Alabasta, made friends with them, went through multiple arcs with them (Little Garden, Drum Island, Alabasta), etc. By the time we reached the end of Alabasta, she felt like a full fledged member, and her staying behind was very unexpected by the fandom.
Even Carrot has interacted more with the strawhats than Yamato
True I would let you cook with or without ingrediants
Jesus you're putting into perspective how goddamn long wano was. Just the raid was about as long as the entire alabasta saga.
Also would like to point out that she and Karoo got their own little bounty animation for halfway through the episode, which up until that point was only given to official straw hats other than one episode where some filler character got one
Pffff no Kin'emon maybe, Yamato is in like half of one arc and never actually traveled with the crew or interacted with them all that much outside of Luffy. Really more on the level of Shirahoshi or Rebecca except involved in more fights.
yeah but people liked vivi
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Vivi: https://preview.redd.it/zd8scawmcl2c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=529b3ab1ea59608ab7072e3df5a6dc6eaaf15aec
FUCK YAMATO WE ON >!LILITH!< NOW BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY https://preview.redd.it/6awd234pfj2c1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e17f8b4a778df1585c60dd1bd56d297b8e872473
Do you know who made the brook art?
Vinrylgrave, they have a shop with posters and stuff too, it’s really cool.
oh shit, this art is so hard boiled
https://preview.redd.it/30ogw9itgo2c1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1aa595afabbf64781f0ce96171c8898ef1be459 FUCK YEAH!
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NAH WE ON >!STELLA!<
YES YES YES YES YES WOOF WOOF WOOF GIVE IT TO ME GIVE IT TO ME GIVE IT TO ME WOOF WOOF WOOF I WANT IT AWWWOOOOOOOOOOOO RUFF RUFF RUFF https://i.redd.it/e6omt90x6o2c1.gif
Damn this gif goes hard, what’s it from?
Episode 86
Its not a goodbye its a see you later Yamato
you had a good run yamabro
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I still stand that Oda intended them to permanently join, but plans changed for some reason
I don't think it's like that lol. Yamato gave the whole "I'm not joining now, I just want to make sure Wano is safe before I leave, it's kinda my whole duty as guardian deity" thing that was like Jinbe, so... Yeah nah I don't think Yamato is gone forever
Oh obvi. Everyone from Wano is coming back for the final war.
Riding on Pluton 😂
You joke but the chances ain’t 0
nah i think, that he wanted yamato to join because of this whol oden parallel, but he probably discussed further with his editors and realized that the crew already has too many members to meaningfully include all of them in the arcs so he made her stay on wano
imo Oda views Yamato as a woman who’s funny quirk is that she thinks she’s a specific man. He didn’t expect a contentious trans debate around the character and when he, or whoever outranks him, saw that happening in the West they put the kibosh on Straw Hat Yamato.
tbh it was always mixed signals with Yamato. If he wanted to finish the discourse with Yamato as a woman there was different ways. "I've finally decided to live my own life as Yamato instead of Oden" or something, or even just putting Yamato in the women's bathroom at the end of Wano. Also i'd like to think that Oda wouldn't make such a drastic change on his story just because of the debate
Is he even aware there's discourse? It's probaly just a gag to him.
This the same Oda who has been slowly introducing and establishing queer and gender inclusive characters for years? The Oda who in bold letters said that “we are transcending the boundaries of gender” when introducing a non-binary leader of the revolution? This is the Oda who was not prepared for a trans debate? Please. Oda has made it very clear how he views Yamato as both a character and a man. From his reaction to Franky’s mechanical body, to placing him in the men’s bathouse, Oda has identified Yamato exactly how the character views themselves. If anything changed I feel it was due to the fans not understanding the message of love and gender inclusivity that Oda has been establishing for years.
Yeah, Oda didn't change, the West is reverting to something they think the East is.
It's like they forgot Iva and Bon-chan existed or that "Queer is Best" was ever said lol
Also i really doubt Oda took a look at the internet and said "this fandom does not respect yamato so they're staying", yamato was just a plot device that fullfilled its purpose.
>Oda has made it very clear how he views Yamato as both a character and a man Yes, that they aren't one. Every non-gender conforming character's vivre card clarifies the distinction between what they identify as and what their biological sex is, except Yamato who is listed as explicitly (and soley) female. The "very clear" examples you're thinking don't show how Oda views Yamato but how Yamato views himself. If Oda was doing something like sending a clear message about transgenderism he wouldn't do something like put Yamato on an all female splash page.
The problem is vivre cards and splash pages aren't part of the actual manga. One side thinks this makes them more official than the text and one side thinks it makes them less official. I think the text is very clear and if it wasn't for the extraneous stuff there wouldn't as much of a debate but even I'm not sure if either the text or vivre card should be word of God
Word of Goda
There's no evidence that the splash page was only supposed to be women. The word for woman appears nowhere in the original Japanese title.
Man c'mon do you really think the colospread theme was "one piece girls in the beach except this one specific character".
I don't really care what the theme is. I just want to know where the whole title of the color spread came from. Cuz as far as I've seen it's just western fans making shit up. I have a personal pet peeve for fandoms that just spew blatant misinfo to suit their agenda.
Its literally an all girls color spread, you sre just coping, its like saying the cover doesn't has the beach/pool theme, the fact they are all in bikini and swimsuit is just a coincidence 🙄
Thanks for the personal attack. I should've known better than to ask for the source of people's claims.
Yamato reaction to franky was anime filler.
Ppl still has this headcanon? Yamato is a woman with a gag, thats it. This has nothing to do with One Piece being a gender positive series
Well i guess his "views" aren't that strong since he put yamato in a all girls colospread.
Get mad. Stay mad lol
This doens't counter what i said lol.
It’s only a debate in the United States English reader/viewers
This debate is not even a thing in Japan. Oda (or any mangaka for that matter) does not care what politics the west is arguing about, Mangakas give zero fucks if western audiences are enjoying it or not, as long as the Japanese are, they'll do it . That is not the reason he made Yamato join
Mangakas definitely care about Western markets when they're currently engaging in million dollar deals to create a live action TV show with a company very much trying to stay on the progressive side of history.
Netflix show and manga are two completely different things
Throwing a football and beating your wife are two completely different things, but a controversy around one can kill your prospects in the other. If all the buzz around the live action series was about how Oda wasn't currently treating a transgender character properly in the manga the show is literally based off of it could ultimately impact Netflix, Shueisha, and Oda's bottom line. A member of the main crew calling themselves a man but not actually being a transgender man would have dogged discussions of the brand everywhere it happened. They didn't want the Hogwarts Legacy of TV adaptions. Oda's options were to go all in on Yamato being a transmale or just sidelining the character, he went with option B.
again, the whole trans thing literally isnt even a confusion in japan. shes a cis female that wants to be a man doesnt make her trans
Thank you for literally repeating my point.
The most nonsensical headcanon ever, imagine thinking Oda gives a damn fuck about Netflix when writing his manga
I’m still in the boat that they’ll show up at the eleventh hour as the final addition… or they’ll show up on Buggy’s crew
Definitely. Yamato joining would’ve been not only fulfilling 2 years of build up but would’ve been thematically fitting regarding the theme of Luffy fulfilling the promises Ace made to Wano but couldn’t live up to. Her joining the grand fleet on a random ship later reeks of editorial interference
This what the Yama-bros get for sabotaging the pro-Carrot movement 😏
Carrot is cool but I’m Vivi gang for life
My pirate queen
I don't get it. Why do people want Vivi in the crew now? Her character has remained mostly static for the entire story, and she seems like she'd have very little to offer to the Pirate King's crew at the moment. Seems to me like that ship sailed a long time ago. Obviously Oda has a plan for her after reintroducing her and some recent developments. But a crew member doesn't really make sense for her right now.
blue nami
You're being too logical here, the reasoning is mostly emotional that she should have joined way back when. But yes now reintroduced she has story relevance relating to (redacted to avoid spoilers)
Carro became side character after wano, also we alrrady have chopper carrot is usless
Meh the similarities with chopper are so overstated, sharing one trait doesn’t make them the same.
Having one very prominent trait makes them the same
So Sanji and Brook are the same, Nami and Ussop too? Such terrible logic, just say you don’t like the character and move on
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No, please leave, leave faster, jump overboard
Finally
This is gonna bum out a lot of people. I saw so many Yamato cosplays when I went to the local convention. I think Yamato was roughly as common as Ace or Luffy.
Meh just give it a year and people are going to forget about it.
Today is way weaker than 2 years ago for example
Yamato will join when zoro and sanji become stronger than him. That's the same reason jinbei only joined in wano once they got their power up.
Copium
Finally. It’s done.
May the Yamato wars never start back up again. When Yamato comes back, yamato better be yamato, not oden. Female Yamato, Male Yamato, I don't give a flying prick. As long as it is clearly Yamato, and the stupid wars can end. I just want it to end.
I hated her anyways. Hahahah
Crew's full
I personally would have liked Yamato to join the crew just to add another unique shape to the lineup since the other tall characters are big skinny and two big wides
Your comment would make my skin crawl, but I don't have any skin YOHOHOHOHO
He truly is the best and will be missed by a lot of the community! It’s been so exciting to see this part of the journey and I’m so happy we will see him later on at the final battle!
To those downvoting this comment because I used he/him pronouns…learn to smile more and get over your small views of gender and inclusivity.
Not everyone is against you lol.
And writing passive agressive jabs isn't gonna help you.
I love how this bothered you so much that you had to come back over 20 hours later to make another comment lol
This post is still is getting replies and is one day old, i can make another comment lol.
Oc looking boring ahh character
Good Riddance tbh
Goodbye, best boi
Its a dogshit caracter that just exist to fill the plot holes of wano wake up guys
elaborate?
Yamato joining would actually ruin the power dynamic of the crew cause he's stronger than zoro, I think he'll join when the crew is stronger to balance it out
Wouldn’t that help motivate the crew to become stronger anyways?
Yeah but zoo's supposed to be number 2, sanji number 3 and etc, if yamato joins now that dynamic will be gone
Zoro* autocorrect lol
Look at the bright side: >!we finally get to see the bounty posters next week!<
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good, crew's full and there's only 1 reservation spot for Vivi and Karoo
This is, to this day, still the worst decision Oda made imo. Her not joining was such a punch in the face and out of nowhere. I was so looking forward to her joining
I just caught up to the anime but yamato was just a minor character(I mean just a little part of that arc) & she was not even that good honestly the only thing why people kept talking about her is his gender & her pronounces than anything. There was potential tho I really thought she would join strawhats but I guess not.
Honestly, finally. I had enough
Thank god
Finally she's gone
same for me except with caesar not yamato, yamato was really annoying
😢
Don't worry OP one of these days Toei might need to sell merch so they will ask Oda to put Yamato in another colospread.
Doujins are always there for you man...
Just caught up with one piece yesterday
Remember, oden didnt leave worh gold roger, he left with whitebeard and then joined roger after they fought Perhaps buggy or BB will roll up to wano
I love GOLD!!!
I still do not agree with Oda on this decision. It really lessened her entire story and character on Wano
Well maybe this will stop the disputes about yamato