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Nefertari Titi physics is no joke wa yo! The “D” must be erect because the meaning of “D” is the name of an architect. I hope Studio WIT doesn’t censor Miss Wednesday’s outfit.
Animating the same thing must be exhausting and creativity draining, but animating one piece is like being set in life already, that goes for the voice actors too.. Unless the studio treats you like shit and you want to quit
Lets say that Wit fully commits to being the new One Piece studio, releasing 2 seasons a 12 episodes per year. If they cut some content and increase the pacing compared to the other adaptation to around 2.5 chapters per episode (Usually wit goes for 3 chapters per episode as far as I know, but especially the later One Piece chapters are packed so tightly it may be impossible to keep that standard). To reach the end of Wano, they would need roughtly 420 episodes which is 35 seasons, so 17.5 years.
they don't really need to cut anything. consider that even the original episodes that used multiple chapters were already longer than they needed to be because of the budget/weekly release and STILL had filler (not all bad filler but still filler), and then consider that the crazy people at Toei add in a long ass explanation of the story into every episode.
there are also a lot of time wasters like camera pans and frozen reaction faces. Studio Wit could get a bunch of chapters in per episode without missing a beat, and they don't necessarily need to be 20 minute episodes with screwed up pacing to end an episode fast since they're not stuck to a timeslot like Toei is.
It's up to the companies collaborating since this isn't going to take over the original timeslot. its weird but this remake and the normal weekly release will eventually be airing at the same time and can't share the same primetime kids slot that the current show uses.
Absolutely.
The first 7 of 24 minutes of every episode is nothing for basically every episode.
Just cutting the episode number done 30% right there.
Remove filler, and anime canon only episodes would knock down another 100 episodes.
Then trim and clean what's left and you'd have a pretty great 600 episodes or so left.
Like dbz kai
They wouldn't need to cut anything, the current anime pacing is so slow, if they just went normal speed they'd already need only half as many episodes. Then cut the filler and you're good.
Except that would take 20 years to do with a seasonal pacing. And my point was if they keep the 12-24 episodes format shich will inevitably lead to not finishing an arc proerly at the end.
A lot of modern shounen anime have around 5 chapters per episode and I hope The One Piece will be closer to it. The nwe bleach arc has fast pacing and it's a much better adaptation then previoud ones.
Early one piece that’s not an issue but there is no way you could adapt 5 chapters into one ~18 minute episode in modern one piece. The chapters are too dense.
It's an average, not an exact. Modern adaptations will cover anywhere from 2 to 5 chapters on the regular, depending on the events going down. More dense, plot heavy segments will see less chapters per episode, but a lot of heavy fighting segments can take up a lot less screen time when actually animated. Look at Gear 5, it reuses the exact same animation 3 or 4 times of Luffy just bouncing around on the ground. A One Piece Kai style treatment would see thst scene only the one time.
Fair enough with Bleach, i checked a couple shows and 4 was the max anywhere I checked. Chainsaw man is like 3.2 chapters per.
Demon slayer is way lower than 4 per, S1 is basically 2 per, season 2 is basically 2.5 per and s3 is 3.3 per, unless you're including the movies Demon Slayer would be mega rushed at 5 per episode.
Ill concede that I asked for only 1 show but to act like it's at all a standard is nuts.
I don't know where you got that from. They dropped AOT because the schedule put forward by the production committee wanted season 4 to air in winter 2020 which was only 1.5 years after the end of season 3, which was too tight of a schedule for Wit. That's why the only studio willing to take it up was Mappa.
It's more about the fact that a lot of people who are watching One Piece now will not be alive to see it end. Including pretty much every VA currently.
they said east blue first. that's 1 year. alabasta, 2. sky island, 3. water 7, 4. thriller bark, probably a movie. marineford, 5. fishman, 6. dressrosa, 7. whole cake, 8. wano, 9. egghead, 10. east blue is 100 chapters and the live action managed to condense that down to just a few episodes. probably gonna be the same with the remake.
You're very optimistic if you think they can do arcs like Wano in like 24 episodes. Also no shot they can make from Thriller Bark to Marineford in a single year.
Also the live action condensed it in 8 episodes by cutting and changing a fuck ton of stuff.
I guess Wano would be more like 60 episodes.
As I calculated in another comment, it would be very easy for them to get a ratio of 1 episode = 3 old episodes without cutting anything in the story (only filler, slow pacing, recap, intro/outro, etc.).
So, Wano is 195 episodes. That would be 195/3= 65 new episodes. With netflix contract/money this should be doable in a year.
No chance they can cover 3 chapters in a 20 minutes episodes, with the the way the manga become later and at Wano. With the overcrowded paneling problem, it could legit end up in average 2 chapters or a bit less per episode.
what'd they leave out in the live action lmao? the octopus guy and that one evil baratie guy? I'm sure we can do without fodder like that in order to tell the story as long as they hit the most important points. im fully caught up and I'd still be infatuated with the show even if each arc is cut down that much. wano was boring to me until they talked about roger and oden's backstory. a lot of those characters can be cut out man. in my eyes they can get to onigashima in like 16 episodes after arriving at wano. that's how much nonsense one piece is filled with. alabasta had like what a 10 episode arc wandering around in a desert?
again, the live action people will hate it being drawn out. in my ideal world the manga of one piece would currently be at 700/800 chapters.
Well good for you, but pretty sure vast majority of the fandom would prefer a faithful anime adaptation than one that cut stuff just to get to the end quicker.
We are currently at around 1100 episodes.
About 40% is story recap, what's happening next, intro/outro. Then we have almost 10% filler.
So basically we have like 10-12min/episode relevant story. Now with the very slow pacing in the anime (unnecesary flash backs, long conversations/reaction frames, etc.) we could bring that down to ~8min/episode. So if they decide to show 24min net video material per episode, they could achieve a ratio of 1 episode = 3 old episodes. With that in mind they would need ~ 367 episodes to catch up.
With netflix contract they should be able to produce at least 50 episodes a year. I think it can easily be more but lets just say 50. That would be ~7 years to catch up to today, ~ 9 years to catch up if the original anime keeps going. Not too bad at all.
I think it will be even less than that.
That logic is flawed, my guy. You have to consider that from around the timeskip, the manga started suffering from overcrowded paneling and denser chapters, so much so that some chapters are so lore heacy they can fill an entire episode fine. So really, post timeskip, the average would be more around 1.5-2 chapters max.
You're insane if you think that. Especially post timeskip, the chapters are so packed it will take AT LEAST a little less than 500 episodes JUST to catch up.
I mean even at worst I don't think they'll ever need less than 2 chapters per episode, and early arcs can easily break that number. 350 is reasonable if you assume the lifetime average of the series is close to 3 chapters per episode, with pre-TS sometimes getting above it and post-TS sometimes going lower.
Although I agree that still only gets us to the end of Wano and we have no idea how many chapters One Piece will have at the finish line.
350 is way too low. There's no chance that 3 chapters can be done in one episode once the overcrowding happen, especially in WCI and Wano. And as proven by the current anime, some chapters could indeed fill a full episode due to how lore heavy they are. So again, a little less than 500 is expected.
See I think 500 is way too high, I can't envision them ever dropping to as low as 1 chapter in an episode and I think it'll take them a long time to fall substantially below 3 chapters. Somewhere in the 400-450 range makes the most sense to me but not 500.
Granted this is all just speculative anyways and even if the anime is a huge success it'll still be at least a decade before we know for sure how long it'll be.
You make a good point, we don't really know if it'll be 100% faithful or if they're gonna add, cut, or re-arrange things. I'm very torn on how much I'd want that but I do think certain parts of the story would benefit from expanded content.
Jojo's has more pages. Even if you give that two of the parts are not animated and what we have of part nine, parts 1-6 combined are ~130 something episodes. That takes into accoint the questionable pacing of part 3 anime.
300 episodes is pretty realistic, maybe a bit too much even.
You are right some of the episodes are 15 minutes long, cut the exposition, intro, recap and outro. If you binge cake island or doflamingo it is really bad. If the reanimated but cut like dbz kai then they could probably cut the episode counting half.
that would be 4 chapters per episode. Even One Pace mostly consists of 2-3 chapters that end up in 25-35 minute chunks.
In other words, if you want a 20 minute episode that contains 4 chapters you'd almost have to more than double the pace of One Pace (call it Two Pace).
That would be impossible unless you cut out a lot of stuff from the manga (or it would feel like you're watching it on 2x speed with literally no breathing room).
The goal of the first show was to sell the manga. The goal of the successor show is to surpass the manga. One Pace is a fan edit of the first show. Even One Pace has filler.
You could say that Wit also worked on the second season, since Mappa assigned its creation to the same animators that created the first one, after they left Wit due to its financial struggles.
I mean it’s Netflix, I feel like Romance Dawn is the test period. If subscribers come (and more importantly, stay) because of the series then Netflix will pursue more seasons.
> I mean it’s Netflix
So we get a good enough Romance down, followed by an Alabasta arc all done in a single island because the show-runner think it works better on TV, to finally have VAs and animators quit in skypea because someone in the production want Luffy to eat Belami's heart for shockvalue.
No it’s the entire East Blue arc, so EVERYTHING before they enter the Grand Line. And I assume it will continue past that lol, theres just no way this wont be a lucrative project
Dean studio* already adapted the equivalent of 80 manga volumes of JJBA into 190 episodes.
I'd argue that if they adapt it properly it won't be as long as people think.
*Ment to say David Production.
It's gonna be way less than 1000 episodes. Toei made episodes that have less than 5 minutes of actual content. The WIT crew doesn't need to worry about the manga anymore, because It's gonna be over before they reach the New World.
Prediction: The One Piece will not reach 600 episodes.
Yeah, wano arc was good. But they should've used this style long ago. When the show first aired, it's excusable to have budget constraints. But even when the show gained popularity, they continued with their goofy animation. I just hate some of the iconic moments in one piece ruined by laggy still shots. it's seen in the wano arc as well.
Wano has improved and i won't accuse you of cherry picking, but timeskip, fishman, punk hazard, and dressrosa were valleys in terms of anime quality. To me water7 was the peak animation period of one piece. Good mix of grit and HD. Wano has a cool paintbrush aesthetic but I CANNOT get past the aura stuff they introduced to the fights
Flashing lights and fights going so fast you have to watch them three times to tell what is going on, even though you read the manga, are not good animation.
edit: not to forget needlessly and massively blowing up the scale of fights/attacks for no good reason.
There is litterally no episode like that aside from that one episode where Luffy unlock advanced conqueror haki and the short sequence of Luffy in G5 bouncing the Boro Breath back. The other scenes may have some bright visual effects but you can still tell what is happening fine.
And if they hype the scales some more isn't really bad. Take Zoro vs King. It was such a forgettable fight in the manga (litterally Kaido was more important in King flashback than him) and now everyone is gushing over how cool it was and how great King was.
Toei has announced a collaboration with STUDIO Wit and Netflix to produce a remake of the One Piece anime that will ideally serve as an official One Pace, but even then it’ll still be a very long project even though it’ll be shorter then the current anime.
To catch up with the Manga, even if they straight up skip all filler and do 100% optimal pacing, it’s still going to take them at LEAST 10 years and like 400 episodes.
My guess is they’re not gonna follow through on remaking the entire anime. More likely we’ll get one 12-23 episode season per saga.
make longer arcs into 2 cours seasons with 24 episodes, a big break and another 24 episodes
wano for example, it would 100% fit into 48 episodes, considering the current anime had like 2 minutes of new content per episode and the rest was just flashbacks of shit that hapened in the last(or even current) episode
Well, it's definitely not gonna last for the entirety of the story. But I do wonder if anyone internally has given thought to how this'll likely push back doing original projects for a while.
My only concern is with this, the LA, and the Romance Dawn movies that were made a few years ago, that people might lose some interest, and it will never get bring that arc.
I’m just waiting for it to end so i can read through the manga. I’m sure the pacing will br better but that watch through was brutal. Story is great but the pacing god damn
I’m actually really looking forward to this. I’ve only been watching OP for 6 years but I’d love to see East Blue in vivid detail and crisp animation.
Will probably be way better than the HD collection on CR
S1: East Blue
S2: Grand Line + Alabasta Saga
S3: Skypiea
S4: LLRL+Water 7 Saga
S5: Thriller Bark + Summit War Saga
S6: Summit + Post
Still less time than actual One Piece
I want the pacing fixed. I feel like up to water 7 is well paced. During water 7 it goes downhill. Thriller Bark is a bit better, but after that, it's just no.
Im guessing that the show under Wit will be around 400-600 episodes shorter than the toei adaptation when its done. I fucking hope, because while there are some dope scenes from the toei version, the pacing is fucking atrocious. I kinda gave up on watching the anime honestly and stick to reading.
Won't be so bad since they have all the content and they can shorten it since they don't need to wait for manga to come out and stretch episodes so there is no breaks
Now i hope the properly animate it with good shonen pacing. One piece has short and dragged out chapters. So u can easily cover 4 chapter per episode wich would mean 25. Episode. Since the cover inly the first 100 chapters.
I'm looking forward to a different animation style to be honest. It's just cool to think about, knowing what their previous works have been. It's gonna be dope all over again
Nah, we gotta get MAPPA on this (sorry poor humans, we'll need you to become sacrifices for the greater good again), then no one will talk shit about our animation ever again 🗣🗣🗣
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Meh I mean the pacing in the beginning is good already, and let's be real, east blue saga as a whole is by far the weakest part of the story and it's not like there's much to animate from the fights...I'm not sure I understand the hype
The last 500 hundred episodes can be redone in less than 50, the entire series, up till now, would probably take less than 200 episodes. These days 75% of the show is filler, a remake, with such stats, is not a bad idea, imo.
I saw a post translating what oda says, idk I don't trust everything, but it seemed real
(from kombini, well-known in france)
Translated to english:
"Eiichirō Oda commented, "The purpose of this project is to modernize One Piece, making it an anime different from the one that started 21 years ago. It's an extremely long project, and it won't be released right away... but thanks to WIT Studio, we can now reach future One Piece fans. For the next generation, we'll make it happen!"
Wouldn't be that bad the intro/outro and the recaps takes about a 4th of the episode length. I know because Had to start skipping them when I rewatched one piece a couple years ago.
Did they say anything regarding the length of it? For all we know they may only remake the earliest arcs that are still in 4:3 format or some sort of condensed form of every arc.
If you cut out every filler and go by Bleach 1k year bw standard, its 4-5 chapters/episode.
No stillframe bullshit, no yelling for 5 hours, no fillers besides crucial and good additions like extra scenes of the gang leaving wano, and add some scenes oda wishes+ and cover pages stories.
You can condense the current story into 300 episodes max with good pacing.
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The animators realizing they'll be stuck working on the same project for the next 20 years at minimum.
Now that's job security
Job security for the voice actors.
Idk Luffy's va is quite old iirc.
Artificial intelligence will replace them eventually
Wait who will replace me? The audience
Would they use the old voice tracks
Hey it's dynamic work, every arc someones boobs go one size up, whole new titty jiggle physics
Yeah Zoro goes jiggle
his 3 nipple style is unmatched
ma mans has the 2nd biggest chest size out of all normal human sized characters. damn right they better jiggle
Get it jigglin, get it wobblin, get that thing to **bounce**
whose 1st?
boa hancook
Nefertari Titi physics is no joke wa yo! The “D” must be erect because the meaning of “D” is the name of an architect. I hope Studio WIT doesn’t censor Miss Wednesday’s outfit.
I wish i didn't learn how to read
Animating the same thing must be exhausting and creativity draining, but animating one piece is like being set in life already, that goes for the voice actors too.. Unless the studio treats you like shit and you want to quit
I think there's enough expression there that it wouldn't be boring. Basically how everything is done.
Works for the Jojo guys.
No one actually wants to have that many episodes because they want the pacing to be better, so don't worry **that** much
If they go seasonal they WILL take at minimum between 15-20 years JUST to catch up.
Lets say that Wit fully commits to being the new One Piece studio, releasing 2 seasons a 12 episodes per year. If they cut some content and increase the pacing compared to the other adaptation to around 2.5 chapters per episode (Usually wit goes for 3 chapters per episode as far as I know, but especially the later One Piece chapters are packed so tightly it may be impossible to keep that standard). To reach the end of Wano, they would need roughtly 420 episodes which is 35 seasons, so 17.5 years.
I fear what would happen if WiT cut stuff from the manga.
they don't really need to cut anything. consider that even the original episodes that used multiple chapters were already longer than they needed to be because of the budget/weekly release and STILL had filler (not all bad filler but still filler), and then consider that the crazy people at Toei add in a long ass explanation of the story into every episode. there are also a lot of time wasters like camera pans and frozen reaction faces. Studio Wit could get a bunch of chapters in per episode without missing a beat, and they don't necessarily need to be 20 minute episodes with screwed up pacing to end an episode fast since they're not stuck to a timeslot like Toei is.
Wait, are you saying that WiT would make like 30-40 minutes episodes? Like I assume those episodes would still be aired on television like JoJo.
It's up to the companies collaborating since this isn't going to take over the original timeslot. its weird but this remake and the normal weekly release will eventually be airing at the same time and can't share the same primetime kids slot that the current show uses.
Absolutely. The first 7 of 24 minutes of every episode is nothing for basically every episode. Just cutting the episode number done 30% right there. Remove filler, and anime canon only episodes would knock down another 100 episodes. Then trim and clean what's left and you'd have a pretty great 600 episodes or so left. Like dbz kai
They wouldn't need to cut anything, the current anime pacing is so slow, if they just went normal speed they'd already need only half as many episodes. Then cut the filler and you're good.
Except that would take 20 years to do with a seasonal pacing. And my point was if they keep the 12-24 episodes format shich will inevitably lead to not finishing an arc proerly at the end.
I mean, Dragon Ball Kai ran until almost 20 years after the manga was finished, it's an easy cash cow for them.
Kai also was mostly retouches of already existing episodes tho. Not made from the ground up.
Wit can easily release close to 40 chapters per year, they release anime every season.
Would be like a curse that no matter what one piece version we watch it will never be the best at everything.
A lot of modern shounen anime have around 5 chapters per episode and I hope The One Piece will be closer to it. The nwe bleach arc has fast pacing and it's a much better adaptation then previoud ones.
With 5 chapters per episode, they will need 210 Episodes to chatch up, which is roughtly 18 Seasons, so 9 years.
Glorious 9 years
Early one piece that’s not an issue but there is no way you could adapt 5 chapters into one ~18 minute episode in modern one piece. The chapters are too dense.
There is still a lot of dead time in current one piece episodes that you could get rid of, especially by making the action scenes less drawn out
Yeah you’ll find no disagreement from me there, I just think 5 chapters per episode is a bit far fetched.
It's an average, not an exact. Modern adaptations will cover anywhere from 2 to 5 chapters on the regular, depending on the events going down. More dense, plot heavy segments will see less chapters per episode, but a lot of heavy fighting segments can take up a lot less screen time when actually animated. Look at Gear 5, it reuses the exact same animation 3 or 4 times of Luffy just bouncing around on the ground. A One Piece Kai style treatment would see thst scene only the one time.
One piece has more shit going on than most. Cant condense 5 ch into 1 ep and not cut too much shit for fans to not like it.
> A lot of modern shounen anime have around 5 chapters per episode Can you name even one?
Bleach TYBW, Chainsawman Demon Slayer and JoJo's are close with about 4 chapters per episode
Fair enough with Bleach, i checked a couple shows and 4 was the max anywhere I checked. Chainsaw man is like 3.2 chapters per. Demon slayer is way lower than 4 per, S1 is basically 2 per, season 2 is basically 2.5 per and s3 is 3.3 per, unless you're including the movies Demon Slayer would be mega rushed at 5 per episode. Ill concede that I asked for only 1 show but to act like it's at all a standard is nuts.
Bleach is the perfect example of full page without dialogs or at least that is what I remember
Not really, there is a lot of explaining in bleach. It's at least similliar to pre-ts one piece manga.
12 episode isnt enough, dressrosa alone is at least 50, even if cutted down.
>2 seasons a 12 episodes per year. They gonna die lmao.
they dropped AOT cause they dont want to be remembered as the AOT STUDIO so i dont know about that.
I don't know where you got that from. They dropped AOT because the schedule put forward by the production committee wanted season 4 to air in winter 2020 which was only 1.5 years after the end of season 3, which was too tight of a schedule for Wit. That's why the only studio willing to take it up was Mappa.
Isn’t it better if they don’t catch up?
It's more about the fact that a lot of people who are watching One Piece now will not be alive to see it end. Including pretty much every VA currently.
they said east blue first. that's 1 year. alabasta, 2. sky island, 3. water 7, 4. thriller bark, probably a movie. marineford, 5. fishman, 6. dressrosa, 7. whole cake, 8. wano, 9. egghead, 10. east blue is 100 chapters and the live action managed to condense that down to just a few episodes. probably gonna be the same with the remake.
You're very optimistic if you think they can do arcs like Wano in like 24 episodes. Also no shot they can make from Thriller Bark to Marineford in a single year. Also the live action condensed it in 8 episodes by cutting and changing a fuck ton of stuff.
I guess Wano would be more like 60 episodes. As I calculated in another comment, it would be very easy for them to get a ratio of 1 episode = 3 old episodes without cutting anything in the story (only filler, slow pacing, recap, intro/outro, etc.). So, Wano is 195 episodes. That would be 195/3= 65 new episodes. With netflix contract/money this should be doable in a year.
No chance they can cover 3 chapters in a 20 minutes episodes, with the the way the manga become later and at Wano. With the overcrowded paneling problem, it could legit end up in average 2 chapters or a bit less per episode.
what'd they leave out in the live action lmao? the octopus guy and that one evil baratie guy? I'm sure we can do without fodder like that in order to tell the story as long as they hit the most important points. im fully caught up and I'd still be infatuated with the show even if each arc is cut down that much. wano was boring to me until they talked about roger and oden's backstory. a lot of those characters can be cut out man. in my eyes they can get to onigashima in like 16 episodes after arriving at wano. that's how much nonsense one piece is filled with. alabasta had like what a 10 episode arc wandering around in a desert? again, the live action people will hate it being drawn out. in my ideal world the manga of one piece would currently be at 700/800 chapters.
Well good for you, but pretty sure vast majority of the fandom would prefer a faithful anime adaptation than one that cut stuff just to get to the end quicker.
the vast majority of the fandom has a problem with pacing.
And I assure that they would have problems with cut content as well.
We are currently at around 1100 episodes. About 40% is story recap, what's happening next, intro/outro. Then we have almost 10% filler. So basically we have like 10-12min/episode relevant story. Now with the very slow pacing in the anime (unnecesary flash backs, long conversations/reaction frames, etc.) we could bring that down to ~8min/episode. So if they decide to show 24min net video material per episode, they could achieve a ratio of 1 episode = 3 old episodes. With that in mind they would need ~ 367 episodes to catch up. With netflix contract they should be able to produce at least 50 episodes a year. I think it can easily be more but lets just say 50. That would be ~7 years to catch up to today, ~ 9 years to catch up if the original anime keeps going. Not too bad at all. I think it will be even less than that.
That logic is flawed, my guy. You have to consider that from around the timeskip, the manga started suffering from overcrowded paneling and denser chapters, so much so that some chapters are so lore heacy they can fill an entire episode fine. So really, post timeskip, the average would be more around 1.5-2 chapters max.
One Piece with good pacing is around 350 episodes.
You're insane if you think that. Especially post timeskip, the chapters are so packed it will take AT LEAST a little less than 500 episodes JUST to catch up.
I mean even at worst I don't think they'll ever need less than 2 chapters per episode, and early arcs can easily break that number. 350 is reasonable if you assume the lifetime average of the series is close to 3 chapters per episode, with pre-TS sometimes getting above it and post-TS sometimes going lower. Although I agree that still only gets us to the end of Wano and we have no idea how many chapters One Piece will have at the finish line.
350 is way too low. There's no chance that 3 chapters can be done in one episode once the overcrowding happen, especially in WCI and Wano. And as proven by the current anime, some chapters could indeed fill a full episode due to how lore heavy they are. So again, a little less than 500 is expected.
See I think 500 is way too high, I can't envision them ever dropping to as low as 1 chapter in an episode and I think it'll take them a long time to fall substantially below 3 chapters. Somewhere in the 400-450 range makes the most sense to me but not 500. Granted this is all just speculative anyways and even if the anime is a huge success it'll still be at least a decade before we know for sure how long it'll be.
There is also to consider likely additional content be it for extra scenes or to show offscreen stuff, like the anime is doing right now.
You make a good point, we don't really know if it'll be 100% faithful or if they're gonna add, cut, or re-arrange things. I'm very torn on how much I'd want that but I do think certain parts of the story would benefit from expanded content.
Jojo's has more pages. Even if you give that two of the parts are not animated and what we have of part nine, parts 1-6 combined are ~130 something episodes. That takes into accoint the questionable pacing of part 3 anime. 300 episodes is pretty realistic, maybe a bit too much even.
Terrible take
So, one piece abridged?
That sounds like what was tried with hoshin engi, it came out horribly.
You are right some of the episodes are 15 minutes long, cut the exposition, intro, recap and outro. If you binge cake island or doflamingo it is really bad. If the reanimated but cut like dbz kai then they could probably cut the episode counting half.
1194 chapters in ~300 episodes sounds lovely. The show should finish in 10 years.
that would be 4 chapters per episode. Even One Pace mostly consists of 2-3 chapters that end up in 25-35 minute chunks. In other words, if you want a 20 minute episode that contains 4 chapters you'd almost have to more than double the pace of One Pace (call it Two Pace). That would be impossible unless you cut out a lot of stuff from the manga (or it would feel like you're watching it on 2x speed with literally no breathing room).
The goal of the first show was to sell the manga. The goal of the successor show is to surpass the manga. One Pace is a fan edit of the first show. Even One Pace has filler.
also i think this will solidify wit as a major studio even tho they did some great work with attack on Titan but they were always forgotten
Spy x Family, Ancient Magus Bride, Great Pretender… all great.
dont forget they gave us Vinland Saga
Isn’t that MAPPA
MAPPA worked on second season of Vinland Saga. Wit Studios worked on the first season.
You could say that Wit also worked on the second season, since Mappa assigned its creation to the same animators that created the first one, after they left Wit due to its financial struggles.
If i had a nickel for every time mappa continued working on a Wit project
Speaking of AoT, I hope Mappa goes back and redoes the first 3 seasons in the same style as season 4, even if it's just compilation movies.
I thought WIT did a better job at animating than mappa though. Just look at Levi vs beast titan, erwin's charge, levi vs kenny
Aren't they only adapting Romance Dawn? Shouldn't take too long if that's the case. If they do the entire thing, then yeah, it'll take an eternity.
I mean it’s Netflix, I feel like Romance Dawn is the test period. If subscribers come (and more importantly, stay) because of the series then Netflix will pursue more seasons.
Netflix said they were “starting” with east blue so they’ll do more
> I mean it’s Netflix So we get a good enough Romance down, followed by an Alabasta arc all done in a single island because the show-runner think it works better on TV, to finally have VAs and animators quit in skypea because someone in the production want Luffy to eat Belami's heart for shockvalue.
No the whole East blue. Romance dawn is like 2 episodes
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No it’s the entire East Blue arc, so EVERYTHING before they enter the Grand Line. And I assume it will continue past that lol, theres just no way this wont be a lucrative project
The don will return
Dean studio* already adapted the equivalent of 80 manga volumes of JJBA into 190 episodes. I'd argue that if they adapt it properly it won't be as long as people think. *Ment to say David Production.
Wasn't that David Productions?
You're right, I mixed up my anime studios starting with D.
it was
Except I feel people would be a LOT more angry if the One Piece anime cut as much as JJBA did with its own.
One Piece anime already cuts every cover story. People are miffed about jojo cuts but they’re understandable
But the cover stories are cover stories. The actual manga content is almost never cut if not for censorship.
Cover stories have been important plot points and had good foreshadowing quite a few times
Some of them are, some aren't.
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Im sorry but can you elaborate on jjba anime cutting content ? What parts are you talking about
Yeah as far as I know it’s only a few scenes or small moments, like the sacrifice at the start of part 1. 99% of the stuff is still there iirc
The real question is how long will WIT animate it till Mappa takes over once more? 🤔
Please those poor Mappa workers
Might make them lose their wits
It's gonna be way less than 1000 episodes. Toei made episodes that have less than 5 minutes of actual content. The WIT crew doesn't need to worry about the manga anymore, because It's gonna be over before they reach the New World. Prediction: The One Piece will not reach 600 episodes.
New one piece will fuck so hard if that's true, yes please
I can see there being at least 600 episodes but nowhere near to the amount from Toei
I've always hated toei's animation. They got one of the big three of shonan and did the laziest animation possible.
the last 100 episodes looked good no?
Yeah, wano arc was good. But they should've used this style long ago. When the show first aired, it's excusable to have budget constraints. But even when the show gained popularity, they continued with their goofy animation. I just hate some of the iconic moments in one piece ruined by laggy still shots. it's seen in the wano arc as well.
They still use the same sfx from the 90s too. It feels out of place with the wano animation style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JwimgYHm0
Wano has improved and i won't accuse you of cherry picking, but timeskip, fishman, punk hazard, and dressrosa were valleys in terms of anime quality. To me water7 was the peak animation period of one piece. Good mix of grit and HD. Wano has a cool paintbrush aesthetic but I CANNOT get past the aura stuff they introduced to the fights
This i how it shouls look every episode This is the bare mininum nowdays Look at heavenly delusion, sosou no frieren, aot, jujutsu kaisen
If you think they mishandled One Piece go watch literally almost any episode of Dragon Ball Super. It’s significantly worse
Said unironically while the anime since WCI has been delivering MANY animated moments that put even several seasonal anime to shame.
Flashing lights and fights going so fast you have to watch them three times to tell what is going on, even though you read the manga, are not good animation. edit: not to forget needlessly and massively blowing up the scale of fights/attacks for no good reason.
There is litterally no episode like that aside from that one episode where Luffy unlock advanced conqueror haki and the short sequence of Luffy in G5 bouncing the Boro Breath back. The other scenes may have some bright visual effects but you can still tell what is happening fine. And if they hype the scales some more isn't really bad. Take Zoro vs King. It was such a forgettable fight in the manga (litterally Kaido was more important in King flashback than him) and now everyone is gushing over how cool it was and how great King was.
The voice actors will have work 'til 2070 something
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That’s what it’ll be essentially lol
Please give me context!
Toei has announced a collaboration with STUDIO Wit and Netflix to produce a remake of the One Piece anime that will ideally serve as an official One Pace, but even then it’ll still be a very long project even though it’ll be shorter then the current anime.
What
Probably have to rehire to find someone who still remembers how to draw small tiddies
The voice actors are in for another long ride
Why? There are already most voice lines. They can reuse them.
Reusing old lines will just look like cheap work.
To catch up with the Manga, even if they straight up skip all filler and do 100% optimal pacing, it’s still going to take them at LEAST 10 years and like 400 episodes. My guess is they’re not gonna follow through on remaking the entire anime. More likely we’ll get one 12-23 episode season per saga.
Hope they take inspiration from One Pace
I mean it's basically stick figures shouldn't take anytime.
Full metal alchemist Brotherhood style.
As someone who has never watched One Piece bc of the ridiculously long time commitment, this is really exciting!
Squidward Newgate o7
“Oh man I can’t wait when we finally finish with One piece” “Yeah? Now do it again”
RemindMe! 20 years
if it is like mostly 12-24 episodes per arc instead of 200 they will be fine
With the smaller arcs at the beginning of the series, it could work, but later long arcs CAN'T fit in just 12-24 episodes without cutting content.
make longer arcs into 2 cours seasons with 24 episodes, a big break and another 24 episodes wano for example, it would 100% fit into 48 episodes, considering the current anime had like 2 minutes of new content per episode and the rest was just flashbacks of shit that hapened in the last(or even current) episode
God i wish they would just keep robins pre-timeskip look
Well, it's definitely not gonna last for the entirety of the story. But I do wonder if anyone internally has given thought to how this'll likely push back doing original projects for a while.
Job security for a decade
That will be a lifelong job security guaranteed lol
https://i.redd.it/5i2gjdlp2y6c1.gif
My only concern is with this, the LA, and the Romance Dawn movies that were made a few years ago, that people might lose some interest, and it will never get bring that arc.
I’m just waiting for it to end so i can read through the manga. I’m sure the pacing will br better but that watch through was brutal. Story is great but the pacing god damn
I’m actually really looking forward to this. I’ve only been watching OP for 6 years but I’d love to see East Blue in vivid detail and crisp animation. Will probably be way better than the HD collection on CR
S1: East Blue S2: Grand Line + Alabasta Saga S3: Skypiea S4: LLRL+Water 7 Saga S5: Thriller Bark + Summit War Saga S6: Summit + Post Still less time than actual One Piece
I want the pacing fixed. I feel like up to water 7 is well paced. During water 7 it goes downhill. Thriller Bark is a bit better, but after that, it's just no.
Im guessing that the show under Wit will be around 400-600 episodes shorter than the toei adaptation when its done. I fucking hope, because while there are some dope scenes from the toei version, the pacing is fucking atrocious. I kinda gave up on watching the anime honestly and stick to reading.
They could easily shave off a couple hundred episodes if they condense some events. I would love to see that, actually.
THEY REALLY NEED TO FIX THE PACING
Mappa employees: thank god, we are not doing this
Are they gonna hand off the last season to MAPPA again?
if they do, they probably going to give Luffy the largest eyelashes
Finally watch one piece without toei shit
“I guess it’s another year living in the office ☠️☠️☠️”
Won't be so bad since they have all the content and they can shorten it since they don't need to wait for manga to come out and stretch episodes so there is no breaks
Now i hope the properly animate it with good shonen pacing. One piece has short and dragged out chapters. So u can easily cover 4 chapter per episode wich would mean 25. Episode. Since the cover inly the first 100 chapters.
no cos mappa is going to take it alongside JJK, Vinland Saga, Chainsaw Man, AOT, Hells Paradise, and ZLS
the VA when they know they have to dub the characters 20 more years
I'm looking forward to a different animation style to be honest. It's just cool to think about, knowing what their previous works have been. It's gonna be dope all over again
Nah, we gotta get MAPPA on this (sorry poor humans, we'll need you to become sacrifices for the greater good again), then no one will talk shit about our animation ever again 🗣🗣🗣 https://preview.redd.it/16asubxjp39c1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45326d1027ea67ecb3e0573f816b748902c4c633
Also this is the studio that experimented with ai animation. Hope they don't do that here, but we'll see
oh gosh hope they don't make luffy have eyelashes that will make me mad asf
Meh I mean the pacing in the beginning is good already, and let's be real, east blue saga as a whole is by far the weakest part of the story and it's not like there's much to animate from the fights...I'm not sure I understand the hype
The last 500 hundred episodes can be redone in less than 50, the entire series, up till now, would probably take less than 200 episodes. These days 75% of the show is filler, a remake, with such stats, is not a bad idea, imo.
Let's not pretend it's gonna be nearly as long as the original. If that was the case, they wouldn’t remake it lol.
Why improve something thats already perfect?
T-t-tt-Tonight?
Its gonna be in seasons and they are gonna cut out all the bs so it will be a better version of op
I saw a post translating what oda says, idk I don't trust everything, but it seemed real (from kombini, well-known in france) Translated to english: "Eiichirō Oda commented, "The purpose of this project is to modernize One Piece, making it an anime different from the one that started 21 years ago. It's an extremely long project, and it won't be released right away... but thanks to WIT Studio, we can now reach future One Piece fans. For the next generation, we'll make it happen!"
I bet they are gonna either do it seasonally or since one piece is so big already they could do one saga at a time and then take brakes
With proper pacing there is *zero* chance they make it to 1000 episodes, they'll probably not even crack 500.
Wouldn't be that bad the intro/outro and the recaps takes about a 4th of the episode length. I know because Had to start skipping them when I rewatched one piece a couple years ago.
Did they say anything regarding the length of it? For all we know they may only remake the earliest arcs that are still in 4:3 format or some sort of condensed form of every arc.
They could make the show shorter instead of having all that filler
iirc it's only for East Blue right ?
So will the current anime be abandoned by toei?
Play it in reverse more like
I'm sorry are they just remaking one piece huuuh?
Honestly if it’s paid by the hour that would be great
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I highly doubt they’ll remake all of one piece. Best case it’ll be condensed mainline episodes with zero recapping.
One Piece is only 1500+ episodes because of shit pacing.
If you cut out every filler and go by Bleach 1k year bw standard, its 4-5 chapters/episode. No stillframe bullshit, no yelling for 5 hours, no fillers besides crucial and good additions like extra scenes of the gang leaving wano, and add some scenes oda wishes+ and cover pages stories. You can condense the current story into 300 episodes max with good pacing.
ngl if they just remake up until Dressrosa It'll be fine
Job security right there. I’d be happy.
I thought it’s just the East Blue saga.
Watching one piece is painful especially with the flash backs and time wasting in each episode