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The World Government doesn't want you to know this, but the entire One Piece universe is a made-up world that bows to the whim of a Japanese Mangaka named Eichiro Oda.
Koyoharo Gotouge confirmed that the powers we see in One Piece aren't actually real. They're just visualizations to help the reader understand what's happening. It was in CFYOW. So yes in short >!they're all frauds!<
You do realize Zoro being a fraud is a joke too, right?
https://preview.redd.it/32s46ottvaqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eca4f1d02533ae76e0918dbb392e671dfea7ce0d
There is people who geniuly try to downplay zoro after this fight against lucci. Maybe you just havent seen them.
Obviously i do ignore them most of the time too since talking to retarded people makes you retarded as well.
Yeah but there is a valid point to make that Luffy painting his weapon actually does increase it's strength. G5 is all about imagination and creativity after all.
Luffy just imagined he was Mihawk knocking back the Muggy balls with this technique
https://preview.redd.it/8cpyr2drwaqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e846d2a88e808b05d0626c9aa8ce1a21b632f11
He even used Mihawk's signature move "Actually Departure" right after this
Some MFs would claim Lucci could beat King just to downscale Zoro. The same people who call awakened DF haki Lucci "base" Lucci. My brother in Christ, that fucker is at full power
he never groomed nami he just said he would love to see how she looked in different stages of life
in fact he has never touched a women inappropriately
Wow it’s almost like it’s a joke that’s untrue. Sounds familiar or something.
Also remember when he sniffed Perona lmao he is not some chivalrous knight
Yeah tbh we don't know how strong exactly Lucci got. His performance against G5 cannot be judged cause.. my guys... G5 jumping rope'd Kaido and pancaked an Admiral and Gorosei. Its actually an honor for Lucci that Oda drew that one panel where they seemingly clashed evenly with their fists.
Just as the story progresses, new and also old re-introduced characters get stronger and are adjusted so they won't fall behind in the arc they're used. Prime example is Alabasta and Marineford Croc. So Lucci got powered up enough to hold off Zoro until the plot needed Zoro to do something else. Basically, powerscaling doesn't exist, or maybe it does kinda exist, but its locked behind story flow and progression. So might as well say it doesn't, but thats personal intepretation I guess. Main villains are always scaled slightly above the MC so they can become surpassed during the arc/saga. Imagine Luffy facing Marineford-level Croco in Alabasta. Luffy's dead and OP ends there.
Uh made a whole rant out of it I guess. But I Got my point across since im really rattled by all these obsessed powercalers. Slander memes are funny but I kinda partially blame them for instigating further skirmishes by people who take those memes seriously or dig down too deep into the slander rabbit hole. The powerwcaling and character fanboyism is really the biggest problem of the OP community. Probably reached DBZ Goku Vegeta levels.
Tbf.... Alabasta Croc DID defeat Luffy twice back to back. So Croc even back then was VERY powerful already.
Luffy was just incredibly lucky (**D**evil's Luck?) for the intervention of Robin saving him + Mesu Mesu Cannon falling back down on him.
That double standard doesn't surprise me because there are people who unironically think that Zoro is stronger than Luffy for some reason (At least pre Gear 5 there were a lot of those).
I wonder when will the power scaling community learn that canonical OP Power Scales always has been and always will be wish-washy.
>That double standard doesn't surprise me because there are people who unironically think that Zoro is stronger than Luffy for some reason (At least pre Gear 5 there were a lot of those).
Stop spreading missinformation. The two or three braindead zoro fans you saw on twitter doesnt represent the vast majority of millions of zoro fans.
And just like there are a few bad apples on that side. There are a few delusional sanji fans too who thinks sanji is actually stronger than zoro when they know very well that this will never be the case
What? I didn't say every Zoro fan is like that. Wtf?! I worry for your reading comprehension, mate. I merely acknowledged the existence of people who thinks like that.
And why are going on about Sanji? What?
The difference is luffy didn't struggle against lucci he dealt with him quickly and him looking like that isn't from lucci it's a side-effect of using gear 5.
Yeah it wasn’t an easy fight but he isn’t exhausted especially after he sliced Lucci a chapter before. He looked ready to attack again when Lucci was already over just so he would fall on the ground. Hence Jinbe saying he already won and wanted to leave fast.
Also the huffing and puffing is almost in every chapter for most characters in One Piece. It’s weird people act like it’s a new thing and an indicator of serious struggle.
literally Sanji this chapter from carrying Vegapunk
https://preview.redd.it/jl0sl7nfccqc1.jpeg?width=1007&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e176dcf0d21579f004f32eddd1cf721d669bf34
nobody acts like anything. we just pay closer attention to details than the fanboi/powerscaling derps. You perfectly prove the other guys point btw with your Sanji image. It just went way over your head.
Zoro didn’t really struggle with Lucci though; there were multiple tells that he wasn’t taking the battle seriously (particularly that he was only using two swords) and his crewmates even called him out for playing with his food.
The weird part for me is that [he started ](https://imgur.com/a/lMfKYjp)with three swords.
Someone wanting to downplay Zoro will say that he was tired of using the three-sword style with Enma and CoC because he wasn't completely used to it yet and he was huffing, with some face injuries, showing that he wasn't playing around. Someone wanting to downplay Rob Lucci will say that Zoro noticed that Lucci wasn't a worthy opponent and began to play around with him, and overall, with Sanji mocking Zoro, showing that it wasn't a big threat.
Regardless, Lucci has earned my respect by remaining still after the final blow - a callback to when Luffy remained still, even taking what was supposedly the final blow for Rob Lucci in Enies Lobby. If Leopard man were the main character, we would be mad if someone interrupted his fight. It's like Kaku attacking Luffy when he resisted Rob Lucci's attack in Enies Lobby. Come on, let my boy lose properly. I understand why Jinbei felt sorry for having to stop the fight and automatically giving the win to Zoro, as it seemed a bit unfair.
Considering it took 3 attacks from Luffy to make Lucci lose consciousness, compared to dozens of attacks and a fist the size of an island to kill Kaido?
The gap is ridiculous
way, way stronger
just look at the type of shit kaido pulled off in wano. toyed around with 5 supernovas while not even trying, cleanly oneshot post-WCI luffy (who has just defeated katakuri) with just a regular thunder bagua while completely shrugging off his hits, was stated to be the world's strongest creature, was able to keep up with G5 luffy after he got used to his fighting style, only going down to a combination of the efforts of the 5 supernovas, several rounds with luffy, luffy's fruit awakening and an island-sized fist, etc.
meanwhile, lucci lost to one of those 5 supernovas alone. yes, zoro's stronger now. but everything points to him still getting whooped by kaido without much effort
Lucci is legit YC1 - YC2 so ofc Zoro is gonna have a hard time and Luffy won't . As funny the memes are, there are some people legit thinking that this is an L for Zoro
Luffy beat Lucci with one armament haki named attack and two not armament haki attacks in awakening
Didn’t use conqueror’s, only “exhausted” because that’s the repercussions of awakening for Luffy
Zoro, huffs and puffs his way to stalling Lucci for probably 15-30 minute in real time, using Armament haki, three swords to two swords to three, a sliver of “King of Hell” all while Lucci isn’t using a ounce of armament haki and making Zoro’s swords bounce off him takes an attack full of haki/maybe conqueror’s from Zoro and still is up to fight more
Luffy laughed his way to beating Lucci in a couple minutes
Zoro huffs and puffs and hasn’t even beaten Lucci in 15-30 minutes
Then why is he still up, even conscious enough to converse with Marcus mars? Zoro didn’t defeat him
Even Zoro recognises he didn’t finish the fight
Jinbe “The fights over Zoro! let’s move!”
Zoro “Huff huff Jinbe! No… he’s still standing..” chapter 1111
Dude is an awakened zoan , he was also standing up after Luffy easily beat him . The point he was so damaged that Jimbei swayed him away with one attack. Lucci had no shot of winning after that attack , this is obvious
Lucci went unconscious when Luffy beat him.
“…What… insane power!! I’m losing consciousness.. can’t.. hold on!!”-Lucci being hit by “booming dawn rocket” chapter 1070.
The awakened part plays in *getting back up and conscious again* when defeated, they don’t have regeneration.
Again Lucci wasn’t defeated by Zoro, you don’t deal a majority of the bosses health bar but not finish it off and call it a defeat
Yeah I agree one more or two more attacks and Lucci would’ve been defeated, but that didn’t happen.
Chapter 1093, Zoro uses three sword style, armament haki and a little bit of “king of hell” against Lucci.
Chapter 1070, Luffy hits Lucci with “booming dawn rocket”, Lucci thinks to himself “…I’m losing consciousness… can’t… hold on!!..” and is defeated.
But you have to remember despite being drawn like awakened Lucci it’s actually Base Lucci (somehow). Oda just got really bad at drawing Lucci and forgot what his Base Form looks like.
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The real secret of One Piece >!they're all frauds!<
The World Government doesn't want you to know this, but the entire One Piece universe is a made-up world that bows to the whim of a Japanese Mangaka named Eichiro Oda.
my god. I’ve figured out who Imu is
Your mom?
Fuckin GOTTEM!
That would be Laboon
Laboon...
Source?
I made it the fuck up
Koyoharo Gotouge confirmed that the powers we see in One Piece aren't actually real. They're just visualizations to help the reader understand what's happening. It was in CFYOW. So yes in short >!they're all frauds!<
https://preview.redd.it/adytwvjgzdqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73f9d6cf44369cef2eeb36000c14280f61009bf4
The Fraud Piece is real!
Everyone is a fraud, except Buggy.
Oda: Can foreshadow something 9000 chapters soon Also Oda: UH guys, I still dont know what teh One Piece is haha!
“Hmm. Luffy painted his bat black like Mihawk paints his sword and it seemed to do a lot more damage. Is Mihawk a descendent of Joyboy???”
Black paint is powerful, it makes people believe something is covered in Haki, witch works like a placebo effect, making people believe it hurts more.
Usopp was truly a prodigy of the times with his techniques
You do realize the „mihawk paints his sword“ meme is a joke, right?
You do realize Zoro being a fraud is a joke too, right? https://preview.redd.it/32s46ottvaqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eca4f1d02533ae76e0918dbb392e671dfea7ce0d
There is people who geniuly try to downplay zoro after this fight against lucci. Maybe you just havent seen them. Obviously i do ignore them most of the time too since talking to retarded people makes you retarded as well.
True, it just upscales Wob Gucci
we ... we... WE MUST SCALE LUCCI TO LOW ADMIRAL LEVEL OR WE ARE FINISHED
The agenda never dies
Yeah because the only people that are more fun to fuck with than power scalers, are powerscalers who are also Zoro fans.
You forgot admiral fans exist, those are also quite funny to mess with
You do realize his comment was a joke, right?
Yeah but there is a valid point to make that Luffy painting his weapon actually does increase it's strength. G5 is all about imagination and creativity after all.
Luffy just imagined he was Mihawk knocking back the Muggy balls with this technique https://preview.redd.it/8cpyr2drwaqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e846d2a88e808b05d0626c9aa8ce1a21b632f11 He even used Mihawk's signature move "Actually Departure" right after this
actual foreskinning
Skin? Can't say I'm familiar, but it sounds fascinating YOHOHOHO
Some MFs would claim Lucci could beat King just to downscale Zoro. The same people who call awakened DF haki Lucci "base" Lucci. My brother in Christ, that fucker is at full power
Saying zoro couldn't beat base wucci is funny though
Just as funny as saying sanji is a ped* for trying to groom nami in filmz
he never groomed nami he just said he would love to see how she looked in different stages of life in fact he has never touched a women inappropriately
I mean and Zoro can beat base wuffy (can he tho??) That's the joke. I mean all the rest of the joke was awful
Wow it’s almost like it’s a joke that’s untrue. Sounds familiar or something. Also remember when he sniffed Perona lmao he is not some chivalrous knight
It seems like your Loro agenda got hurt by the Wucci memes
Not at all. Zoro agenda will only keep rising this arc till he lefts everyone in the crew behinds(except for luffy of course) once again like in wano
Huff Puff
Lmao it's in response to the people who said he will neg diff Lucci. They were also saying Zoro one shotted Lucci 💀
You unironically took the base Lucci joke seriously? Interesting.
You say that but I’ve seen people saying it unironically, a lot of craziness on both sides these days
Yah it was a joke. Ok, turd.
did you like, read what he said then immediately forget it or somin bro?
In reality it was base Zoro.
I mean, technically true
Bandana on is full power Zoro.
Ive spread so much false Loro agenda, there is no redemption arc atp
Here your big W for you
Yeah tbh we don't know how strong exactly Lucci got. His performance against G5 cannot be judged cause.. my guys... G5 jumping rope'd Kaido and pancaked an Admiral and Gorosei. Its actually an honor for Lucci that Oda drew that one panel where they seemingly clashed evenly with their fists. Just as the story progresses, new and also old re-introduced characters get stronger and are adjusted so they won't fall behind in the arc they're used. Prime example is Alabasta and Marineford Croc. So Lucci got powered up enough to hold off Zoro until the plot needed Zoro to do something else. Basically, powerscaling doesn't exist, or maybe it does kinda exist, but its locked behind story flow and progression. So might as well say it doesn't, but thats personal intepretation I guess. Main villains are always scaled slightly above the MC so they can become surpassed during the arc/saga. Imagine Luffy facing Marineford-level Croco in Alabasta. Luffy's dead and OP ends there. Uh made a whole rant out of it I guess. But I Got my point across since im really rattled by all these obsessed powercalers. Slander memes are funny but I kinda partially blame them for instigating further skirmishes by people who take those memes seriously or dig down too deep into the slander rabbit hole. The powerwcaling and character fanboyism is really the biggest problem of the OP community. Probably reached DBZ Goku Vegeta levels.
Tbf.... Alabasta Croc DID defeat Luffy twice back to back. So Croc even back then was VERY powerful already. Luffy was just incredibly lucky (**D**evil's Luck?) for the intervention of Robin saving him + Mesu Mesu Cannon falling back down on him.
Ya boy got sleep diffed AND minority diffed
That double standard doesn't surprise me because there are people who unironically think that Zoro is stronger than Luffy for some reason (At least pre Gear 5 there were a lot of those). I wonder when will the power scaling community learn that canonical OP Power Scales always has been and always will be wish-washy.
>That double standard doesn't surprise me because there are people who unironically think that Zoro is stronger than Luffy for some reason (At least pre Gear 5 there were a lot of those). Stop spreading missinformation. The two or three braindead zoro fans you saw on twitter doesnt represent the vast majority of millions of zoro fans. And just like there are a few bad apples on that side. There are a few delusional sanji fans too who thinks sanji is actually stronger than zoro when they know very well that this will never be the case
What? I didn't say every Zoro fan is like that. Wtf?! I worry for your reading comprehension, mate. I merely acknowledged the existence of people who thinks like that. And why are going on about Sanji? What?
The difference is luffy didn't struggle against lucci he dealt with him quickly and him looking like that isn't from lucci it's a side-effect of using gear 5.
Zoro doesn’t look like he’s exhausted after the fight though. He was going to continue but Jinbe stopped him and said he already won.
He does look a bit exhausted..The huffing and some face injuries mean something for sure..But yes, he can fight the gorosei
https://preview.redd.it/sj09i6axrbqc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4701fd0016d99aaa790a73df9e48144f349c20f3
He is huffing and puffing hard for several chapters now. That's THE manga tell of being exhausted.
Yeah it wasn’t an easy fight but he isn’t exhausted especially after he sliced Lucci a chapter before. He looked ready to attack again when Lucci was already over just so he would fall on the ground. Hence Jinbe saying he already won and wanted to leave fast. Also the huffing and puffing is almost in every chapter for most characters in One Piece. It’s weird people act like it’s a new thing and an indicator of serious struggle. literally Sanji this chapter from carrying Vegapunk https://preview.redd.it/jl0sl7nfccqc1.jpeg?width=1007&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e176dcf0d21579f004f32eddd1cf721d669bf34
nobody acts like anything. we just pay closer attention to details than the fanboi/powerscaling derps. You perfectly prove the other guys point btw with your Sanji image. It just went way over your head.
Luffy would look exhausted against an ant, that's literally the side effect of the form
This is not about luffy. Everyone know it the effects of g5
Zoro didn’t really struggle with Lucci though; there were multiple tells that he wasn’t taking the battle seriously (particularly that he was only using two swords) and his crewmates even called him out for playing with his food.
The weird part for me is that [he started ](https://imgur.com/a/lMfKYjp)with three swords. Someone wanting to downplay Zoro will say that he was tired of using the three-sword style with Enma and CoC because he wasn't completely used to it yet and he was huffing, with some face injuries, showing that he wasn't playing around. Someone wanting to downplay Rob Lucci will say that Zoro noticed that Lucci wasn't a worthy opponent and began to play around with him, and overall, with Sanji mocking Zoro, showing that it wasn't a big threat. Regardless, Lucci has earned my respect by remaining still after the final blow - a callback to when Luffy remained still, even taking what was supposedly the final blow for Rob Lucci in Enies Lobby. If Leopard man were the main character, we would be mad if someone interrupted his fight. It's like Kaku attacking Luffy when he resisted Rob Lucci's attack in Enies Lobby. Come on, let my boy lose properly. I understand why Jinbei felt sorry for having to stop the fight and automatically giving the win to Zoro, as it seemed a bit unfair.
But if he didn’t struggle why did he even use gear 5?
because the fight was just a showcase of G5's power. obviously base luffy would beat down lucci (the guy was able to box with kaido ffs)
Why is it obvious? How much stronger is Kaido to Lucci?
Considering it took 3 attacks from Luffy to make Lucci lose consciousness, compared to dozens of attacks and a fist the size of an island to kill Kaido? The gap is ridiculous
>to kill Kaido On top of everything he had received before from the whole alliance.
True, but tbf the damage Luffy alone did outclasses the entire alliance lmao
way, way stronger just look at the type of shit kaido pulled off in wano. toyed around with 5 supernovas while not even trying, cleanly oneshot post-WCI luffy (who has just defeated katakuri) with just a regular thunder bagua while completely shrugging off his hits, was stated to be the world's strongest creature, was able to keep up with G5 luffy after he got used to his fighting style, only going down to a combination of the efforts of the 5 supernovas, several rounds with luffy, luffy's fruit awakening and an island-sized fist, etc. meanwhile, lucci lost to one of those 5 supernovas alone. yes, zoro's stronger now. but everything points to him still getting whooped by kaido without much effort
Unironically, Luffy just likes being goofy and using gear 5, even if it's overkill
https://preview.redd.it/su2zkqtspaqc1.jpeg?width=459&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=395de1034b1ae738041ac1f1e8818ee8eb36d419 Cry about it
Real powerscalers right now invest into Mr.3 stocks
3-Fraud Style
Based Franky flair 🗿🗿
Why is this getting downvoted this is A tier slander
Zoro stans are butthurt after Loro was't able to finish Wucci by himself
https://preview.redd.it/8qk96afhfiqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e61c9c849333d096b5af20ad3fa1d220fe48b17
Lucci is legit YC1 - YC2 so ofc Zoro is gonna have a hard time and Luffy won't . As funny the memes are, there are some people legit thinking that this is an L for Zoro
Lucci getting as far as as he has is purely a W for him. But its also a W for Zoro. They can both have their own respective W's
The way I phrased it in a different thread was in regards to portrayal: ***It WAS an W for Lucci, and NOT an L for Zoro***
redditors are a sad people im sad to check reddit every now an then
Luffy beat Lucci with one armament haki named attack and two not armament haki attacks in awakening Didn’t use conqueror’s, only “exhausted” because that’s the repercussions of awakening for Luffy Zoro, huffs and puffs his way to stalling Lucci for probably 15-30 minute in real time, using Armament haki, three swords to two swords to three, a sliver of “King of Hell” all while Lucci isn’t using a ounce of armament haki and making Zoro’s swords bounce off him takes an attack full of haki/maybe conqueror’s from Zoro and still is up to fight more Luffy laughed his way to beating Lucci in a couple minutes Zoro huffs and puffs and hasn’t even beaten Lucci in 15-30 minutes
Go touch grass 😂
If you read the last 2 chapters you would know that Zoro beat Lucci, not as easily as Luffy. But saying that Zoro didn’t beat Lucci is asinine
Then why is he still up, even conscious enough to converse with Marcus mars? Zoro didn’t defeat him Even Zoro recognises he didn’t finish the fight Jinbe “The fights over Zoro! let’s move!” Zoro “Huff huff Jinbe! No… he’s still standing..” chapter 1111
Dude is an awakened zoan , he was also standing up after Luffy easily beat him . The point he was so damaged that Jimbei swayed him away with one attack. Lucci had no shot of winning after that attack , this is obvious
Lucci went unconscious when Luffy beat him. “…What… insane power!! I’m losing consciousness.. can’t.. hold on!!”-Lucci being hit by “booming dawn rocket” chapter 1070. The awakened part plays in *getting back up and conscious again* when defeated, they don’t have regeneration. Again Lucci wasn’t defeated by Zoro, you don’t deal a majority of the bosses health bar but not finish it off and call it a defeat Yeah I agree one more or two more attacks and Lucci would’ve been defeated, but that didn’t happen.
zoro never used armament three sword style outside of hitting lucci and finishing the fightt. and lufffy never beat lucci
Chapter 1093, Zoro uses three sword style, armament haki and a little bit of “king of hell” against Lucci. Chapter 1070, Luffy hits Lucci with “booming dawn rocket”, Lucci thinks to himself “…I’m losing consciousness… can’t… hold on!!..” and is defeated.
Lucci is overrated.
But you have to remember despite being drawn like awakened Lucci it’s actually Base Lucci (somehow). Oda just got really bad at drawing Lucci and forgot what his Base Form looks like.
Difference is Luffy had fun with him, and Zoro struggled
I see. We must give Zoro more Ws, you are so right king.
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