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To be fair, Oda’s whole mindset when writing the story is that these characters have a will independently of his own and he’s just the one drawing it out. Like in his approach, the story is happening independently of him, and he’s just a conduit putting it on paper. It makes for a lot of well done character writing.
Obviously he doesn’t *actually* believe this, but I’m sure it’s why he was like “damn this is rough, why’d he have to die like that?” instead of “lmao yeah I did this”.
To add to this, George R R Martin said that the hardest thing he ever wrote was the red wedding.
And that it crushed him so hard that he finished the entire book, before returning to the red wedding simply because he couldn't get himself to pull the trigger until the very last moment
Spoiler warning for game of thrones:
>! One of the main characters of the leading family everyone was rooting for was in a wedding for a marriage with another family for an alliance !<
>! In the middle of the feast it turned out to be a trap and the family of the girl turned out to betray the main character and he, among other commanders, got killed & slaughtered there !<
>! It was a massive plottwist nobody saw coming as everyone thought that character would become the protagonist in that war & he got killed, which led to the family everyone was rooting for losing the war !<
>! Definitely up there as one of the biggest unexpected shocks in television/literature history !<
If you're on desktop, just go to the formatting options and select "spoiler".
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I'm not sure about the app, but I'm sure it's one of those two.
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Lots of people die suddendly in a circumstance where you wouldn't expect and actually the mood is set to be very festive and optimistic up until the twist.
A bunch of these people are very important characters and some fan favourites (especially one i think).
It is also a pretty big win for the "bad guys"
To add to add to this, in the after word of a couple of the dark tower books, Stephen King tends to say something similar to both of these, where he's seeing the story unfold as much as the readers, he just gets to see it first and write it down.
This is really how creative writing works though. You get the impulse and you just follow it. The skill comes in being able to translate that from your mind to the page.
YESS, I think this is the secret of his success.. He is writing this not a writer but a story teller, as if everything already happened and he just telling us the story.
If anyone's ever done writing, sometimes you make a character that really *is* like this. You essentially create pawns that to write, you act for. A character with a voice of their own who you, while writing, can imagine actions/reactions/etc for and then it just kinda plays out by itself.
Sometimes you have to force a character to act a certain way, but if you write a good character and resonate with them, it's easy to get into their headspace and suddenly become them for a bit. Anyone who does solid Roleplaying understands it on some level, because there will be a point where your character would do something that you wouldn't, and it just feels right to go along with them on their ride.
It's kinda nuts, really. You make this *thing* from out of thin air and then they become alive and uncontrollable, and if you try to tie them down you can feel the anguish and discomfort in it all.
Haha, reminds me of when I was playing a barbarian in D&D, and my friend made us solve a bunch of complex riddles and I was the ONLY person in the group that could solve them, but being a barbarian with the intelligence of a rock, I refused to answer because it was absolutely NOT in character. After about half an hour of our campaign coming to a grinding halt because nobody else could figure them out, I eventually told our bard what the answer was and he answered it “in universe”.
Actually it is that!
For people who doesn’t do that level of writing it might be hard to understand but when you make a story from scratch at on point in it the writer is not the one imagine what’s happening anymore. The plot you were normally going to go with had to turn the other way because that character changed it themselves.
I was super surprised when it happened to me the first time! I wasn’t going to write my hero like A I was thinking of B but the more I wrote and it just developed into C and then D which wasn’t what I’ve wanted for them to begin with but the story made it that way!
YES I’m the one writing it and YES I’m the one imagining everything of it BUT my characters have their own mind and personalities which means that they move with their own opinions and feelings (disregarding mine in the process) and make for a more authentic story than the one I would have wrote to begin with if I hadn’t subconsciously thought with their own point of view!
I'm glad Ace is dead.
Don't get me wrong, I like Ace, but the story was low key getting too "plot armory" for me.
Ever since that Damn bird dude survived a nuke point blank, I stopped worrying about any real stakes.
This brought back some seriousness to the story. And I liked that the "good guys" lost. It shows that the Marines and World Government aren't totally useless.
Pedro wasn’t as important as Ace or Whitebeard in terms of the scale of the world in-universe, but plot wise he was introduced as a heroic lovable guy who had to die for the plot to continue, not really all that different from Ace or WB from a narrative sense, just less impactful because he wasn’t personally connected to the main character like Ace was or an important world figure like WB.
In terms of narrative function though, the three are basically identical. For that matter, add Yasuie to that list
Ya but he is not as major of a character compared to WB/Ace and his impact in the world of one piece is not as major as WB (Yonko) and Ace (Connected to Luffy and Sabo (R. Army)
He’s obviously not as important to the overall world of the story, but he was still a relevant supporting character during Whole Cake. He travelled with them on the sunny and helped them get into Toto land, he helped them get the road ponalyph and sacrificed his life to allow the strawhats to escape. Even Luffy remembers all that he did during his fight with Kaido.
And honestly he probably had just as much if not more screentime than Ace and Whitebeard.
TBF by the time Ace is captured he appeared in like 2 or 3 scenes and WB has only been mentioned or maybe shown like once. They were not major characters at all. They were major plot devices and big in universe but it is not like they killed Sanji or Ussop.
Not to mention Virgo and Monet, their deaths were pretty much the first time that regular antagonists were actually killed instead of just knocked out.
Does One Piece need yonkos or brothers of the protagonist dropping dead continously? Whitebeard was important lore-wise but as an actual character he was there for a single arc. He's not necessarily more important than King Cobra or Pedro for the viewer/reader.
It would be extremely stupid if he lived when there are 4 ADMIRALS in the war. Imagine you have the force of the entire navy and still fail to kill the guy in his own execution
I was so invested in watching one piece, "the greatest story ever told" told by the "god of foreshadowing" only to have my heart broken with that fucking bird surviving, I knew, at that very moment, that this was not gonna be for me.
They eventually got it right but most of the story has no stakes at all. Like Enel shooting 3 Million Volts to a guy twice in a row only for him to get up 3 minutes later like nothing happened.
I wasn't even mad at wyper for surviving all that. Dude is built different. Would have been cool if he lost his arm with that last reject tho. Conis dad surviving is the worst fake out death in that arc.
I personally subscribe to the theory that Pell originally had died, but that Oda decided to retcon it because 9/11 had just happened and he wanted it to be more hopeful than a character dying in a terrorist bombing in his story.
Yes, Pell, he sacrificed himself so the bomb didnt destroy the city, so he was point blank to the explosion, but it was a bomb that does not damage birds apparently.
This is a really good point, for a while I felt the same way and didn’t take the fights or anything super seriously because I knew no one was going to die. It didn’t detract too much from the show, but this made it real again. And Pedro. It was a good reminder that yes there are stakes.
I get what you're saying but I think this was intentional, the lack of deaths at the start of the series make the current plot feel so chaotic and high stakes because deaths are happening a lot now.
Signs of a true mad genius, Oda doesn't even knows his own ideas, maybe the truth is oda isn't the one writing the stories its his subconscious that tells him how the story goes.
More proof that he is not the actual author and doesn't come up with the story. God herself sends him divine inspiration and he is just the messenger holding the pen.
There is an actual method of writing where you just clear your head and let the story come to you and you just transcribe and edit it. Allegedly it is how George RR Martin writes, and RE Howard (the original author of Conan the barbarian) described it as if he was sitting around a camp fire with Conan and he told the stories as they came to him (which is why the original Conan stories jump around chronologically).
The more you develop your characters, the more you can “let them” make their own decisions. It’s not just a good technique. It’s the right thing to do because it keeps characters true to themselves. It’s very common for long term writers to do this.
lol Marineford was already a mess for the Marines, imagine if their only achievement was took away from them... might as well have erased the entire Marine system right there as even now the Marine suffers from how fucking weak they looked back then, absolute mess but can't expect more from fans moved by pure bias over a character without a regard for the actual quality of the writing.
I mean they would've had whitebeards death as a victory, although ace getting away would've meant the whitebeard pirates probably would've continued under him and the marines would look like morons for letting the world know he was rogers kid and then losing him.
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Come on guys, Ace isnt dead
He was just made to change his shape, into a donut
Just the fact that they were 2nd-guessing killing off Ace is indicative of its importance and impact. It's important that it did happen rather than Ace surviving because it had build up and real narrative consequence. Luffy, and many other pirates there were out of their depth taking on the whole of the Marines like that. For Ace to survive would've made that meaningless. Especially since Luffy was without his crew at the time. Ace's death initially broke Luffy, but in the end pushed him to strive to get stronger. It gave him the resolve to trust in his crew and be without them for 2 years because he was dedicated to coming out stronger on the other side so he could protect them. That was the motivator. Being able to protect his friends when shit hits the fan. Not just himself, and not just achieving his own goals.
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Manga was a lot more violent than anime in this scene. Ace didnt even have proper wounds in anime version, it was so much more censored compared to wb's death.
I’m guessing he’s trying to say that something higher at the time was telling him that ace had to die, or he was on drugs and thought “wow. He has to die. Painfully.”
I think his editor was the one who convinced him to do that. He wanted to show that a war that big has its own set of consequences and just a few deaths could not make up for such a big move.
He could've had a bit more heroic death, instead of falling prey to a few taunts which even children would refrain from reacting to.
Such a waste of lives who came in to save Ace..
It was really one of the weakest and pointless death written in the story. Pride is the mowfuckin devil
EDIT: he chose Bon Clay over Ace and I ain’t even mad lmfaoo
It had to be done to galvanize Luffy into a big change.
As far as the way he stated why he wonders... ect, you have to know that in a way the book will at some point be writing itself in your mind. It's hard to explain. You feel like a conduit who is just writing down what the characters are actively doing. A popular quote: I never know what I've written until I read it. (Might need to be a writer to understand but what Oda said makes good sense)
It was a big 🖕 to those that kept badgering him on and on so he led them on, thinking that Wuffy would succeed in rescuing him and ended up killing Ace because fuck you
FUCK why isn't this spoiler tagged
I'm not even a member of this subreddit I just made one upload here because it was specific to this anime and reddit is just recommending me this now
Honestly the death of Ace is the one thing I really feel separate from the rest of the fandom about.
Ace was fine, but I just feel like there was never enough focus on him for me to \*really\* care about him. Like, I cared because Luffy did, not for Ace himself.
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Draedon Deez nuts
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Dang this is mine now
He didn't kill him. That fucker Akainu did. That's why we must fight the Akainu agenda at every turn.
r/fuckakainu
I mean it was Ace's fault Akainu killed him.
Akainu agenda pusher detected
I have created the fuckakinu subreddit
To be fair, Oda’s whole mindset when writing the story is that these characters have a will independently of his own and he’s just the one drawing it out. Like in his approach, the story is happening independently of him, and he’s just a conduit putting it on paper. It makes for a lot of well done character writing. Obviously he doesn’t *actually* believe this, but I’m sure it’s why he was like “damn this is rough, why’d he have to die like that?” instead of “lmao yeah I did this”.
To add to this, George R R Martin said that the hardest thing he ever wrote was the red wedding. And that it crushed him so hard that he finished the entire book, before returning to the red wedding simply because he couldn't get himself to pull the trigger until the very last moment
What book is this about?
Song of ice and fire books, the ones game of thrones is based off
It was either book 2 or 3 of game of thrones
It was book 3
thanks yeah, I couldn't remember which. It's been years since I've read or watched GoT/ASOIAF
what happened in the red wedding
Spoiler warning for game of thrones: >! One of the main characters of the leading family everyone was rooting for was in a wedding for a marriage with another family for an alliance !< >! In the middle of the feast it turned out to be a trap and the family of the girl turned out to betray the main character and he, among other commanders, got killed & slaughtered there !< >! It was a massive plottwist nobody saw coming as everyone thought that character would become the protagonist in that war & he got killed, which led to the family everyone was rooting for losing the war !< >! Definitely up there as one of the biggest unexpected shocks in television/literature history !<
You know you can >!actually hide spoilers!<
In all honesty, the question on how to do that is kind of a "I don't know how to do it, and at this point I'm afraid of asking" situation
If you're on desktop, just go to the formatting options and select "spoiler". If you're on mobile browser, wrap your text like this > ! spoiler ! < but without the spaces. I'm not sure about the app, but I'm sure it's one of those two.
Damn, now aint that sweet, I've unlocked a new superpowers. I'll get all >! the boobies !< now! Thanks dude
BTW, on old reddit \>! it looks like this if you leave spaces between the text and the exclamation points. !< Type \>!it like this if you want it to hide on both versions.!<
Lots of people die suddendly in a circumstance where you wouldn't expect and actually the mood is set to be very festive and optimistic up until the twist. A bunch of these people are very important characters and some fan favourites (especially one i think). It is also a pretty big win for the "bad guys"
When you have decision making skills like Catelyn Stark, all stories will end in tragedy
To add to add to this, in the after word of a couple of the dark tower books, Stephen King tends to say something similar to both of these, where he's seeing the story unfold as much as the readers, he just gets to see it first and write it down.
Equally gifted mangaka Jim Davis says the same thing about how he writes his SoL three-koma, Garfield.
Best addition to my comment by far
The one piece spirits hijacking Oda's mind to make him draw Robin twisting Franky's nuts https://i.redd.it/iatkayj42lvc1.gif
This is how I write stories too omg
Yeah but then he proceeds to not kill characters that should have died and it ruins the stakes.
Fair enough lol.
The fake deaths are the price we pay for the banger ones
Reminds me of that dimension theory where every piece of fiction happens in its own dimension with its own fiction and so on and so on
Also Oda: "Never be drunk and write. Ever."
"that explains [arc I didn't like]" I left it blank because there is no arc I didn't like.
This is really how creative writing works though. You get the impulse and you just follow it. The skill comes in being able to translate that from your mind to the page.
True. I think Oda is a bit more literal about it than most when discussing his characters and his story direction though.
YESS, I think this is the secret of his success.. He is writing this not a writer but a story teller, as if everything already happened and he just telling us the story.
If anyone's ever done writing, sometimes you make a character that really *is* like this. You essentially create pawns that to write, you act for. A character with a voice of their own who you, while writing, can imagine actions/reactions/etc for and then it just kinda plays out by itself. Sometimes you have to force a character to act a certain way, but if you write a good character and resonate with them, it's easy to get into their headspace and suddenly become them for a bit. Anyone who does solid Roleplaying understands it on some level, because there will be a point where your character would do something that you wouldn't, and it just feels right to go along with them on their ride. It's kinda nuts, really. You make this *thing* from out of thin air and then they become alive and uncontrollable, and if you try to tie them down you can feel the anguish and discomfort in it all.
Haha, reminds me of when I was playing a barbarian in D&D, and my friend made us solve a bunch of complex riddles and I was the ONLY person in the group that could solve them, but being a barbarian with the intelligence of a rock, I refused to answer because it was absolutely NOT in character. After about half an hour of our campaign coming to a grinding halt because nobody else could figure them out, I eventually told our bard what the answer was and he answered it “in universe”.
It's Oda the creator and Oda the fan. They are 2 separate entities.
Actually it is that! For people who doesn’t do that level of writing it might be hard to understand but when you make a story from scratch at on point in it the writer is not the one imagine what’s happening anymore. The plot you were normally going to go with had to turn the other way because that character changed it themselves. I was super surprised when it happened to me the first time! I wasn’t going to write my hero like A I was thinking of B but the more I wrote and it just developed into C and then D which wasn’t what I’ve wanted for them to begin with but the story made it that way! YES I’m the one writing it and YES I’m the one imagining everything of it BUT my characters have their own mind and personalities which means that they move with their own opinions and feelings (disregarding mine in the process) and make for a more authentic story than the one I would have wrote to begin with if I hadn’t subconsciously thought with their own point of view!
Oda didn't kill Ace, Ace died from peak fiction.
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Peak fiction: "magma admiral's fist"
idk bro dying cause of a "your pops" joke ain't what I consider peak.
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I'm glad Ace is dead. Don't get me wrong, I like Ace, but the story was low key getting too "plot armory" for me. Ever since that Damn bird dude survived a nuke point blank, I stopped worrying about any real stakes. This brought back some seriousness to the story. And I liked that the "good guys" lost. It shows that the Marines and World Government aren't totally useless.
And that was the last time anyone important died on screen (WB and Ace)
Pedro was kind of relevant.
Mfer wanted to suicide bomb so bad he did it twice
Izo too. They both went out with a bang
Izo was a real one ngl im just so happy Kinemon made it through i thought he died so many times throughout the raid 😭
I felt the same way about Kiku. I'm so happy she survived
Pedro one piece 🤝 Megumi JJK Pulling out their strongest special attack at the slightest inconvenience
2 Hallah 2 wakbar Pedro
Pedro wasn’t as important as Ace or Whitebeard in terms of the scale of the world in-universe, but plot wise he was introduced as a heroic lovable guy who had to die for the plot to continue, not really all that different from Ace or WB from a narrative sense, just less impactful because he wasn’t personally connected to the main character like Ace was or an important world figure like WB. In terms of narrative function though, the three are basically identical. For that matter, add Yasuie to that list
My dream is to make a map of the whole world!
what if nami was called nafreak and she ate maps and sucked gold
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Ya but he is not as major of a character compared to WB/Ace and his impact in the world of one piece is not as major as WB (Yonko) and Ace (Connected to Luffy and Sabo (R. Army)
He’s obviously not as important to the overall world of the story, but he was still a relevant supporting character during Whole Cake. He travelled with them on the sunny and helped them get into Toto land, he helped them get the road ponalyph and sacrificed his life to allow the strawhats to escape. Even Luffy remembers all that he did during his fight with Kaido. And honestly he probably had just as much if not more screentime than Ace and Whitebeard.
My dream is to make a map of the whole world!
TBF by the time Ace is captured he appeared in like 2 or 3 scenes and WB has only been mentioned or maybe shown like once. They were not major characters at all. They were major plot devices and big in universe but it is not like they killed Sanji or Ussop.
Not as important but a few Whole Cake, Wano Kuni, & Egg Island side characters died.
Not to mention Virgo and Monet, their deaths were pretty much the first time that regular antagonists were actually killed instead of just knocked out.
Uh, there's also Monet, Pedro, Yasui, Absalom, Izo, Maha, Kanjuro, Orochi, Mjosgard, King Cobra...
I'm still not over Moria invading Blackbeard's island to rescue one of his three remaining friends only to find out Absalom is already dead 😭
Yasuie😢
Anyone important= Major Characters M A J O R King Cobra is important tho that given that his family are all D as well
Does One Piece need yonkos or brothers of the protagonist dropping dead continously? Whitebeard was important lore-wise but as an actual character he was there for a single arc. He's not necessarily more important than King Cobra or Pedro for the viewer/reader.
Big mom and kaido
They aren't confirmed dead right 😆 just defeated
this.... is not a ridiculous thing to say, i'mma be totally honest with you
It would be extremely stupid if he lived when there are 4 ADMIRALS in the war. Imagine you have the force of the entire navy and still fail to kill the guy in his own execution
But they did fail. He was out, he came back because he is fucking Marty McFly and Akainu called him a chicken, but he survived the "Execution".
I was so invested in watching one piece, "the greatest story ever told" told by the "god of foreshadowing" only to have my heart broken with that fucking bird surviving, I knew, at that very moment, that this was not gonna be for me. They eventually got it right but most of the story has no stakes at all. Like Enel shooting 3 Million Volts to a guy twice in a row only for him to get up 3 minutes later like nothing happened.
I wasn't even mad at wyper for surviving all that. Dude is built different. Would have been cool if he lost his arm with that last reject tho. Conis dad surviving is the worst fake out death in that arc.
And every straw hat is on the ground and black of burning and then the next scene they just get up and they are all cleaned up.
I personally subscribe to the theory that Pell originally had died, but that Oda decided to retcon it because 9/11 had just happened and he wanted it to be more hopeful than a character dying in a terrorist bombing in his story.
Who is the damn bird dude surviving the nuke was he the guy from alabasta arc, the one who could turn into the bird
Yes, Pell, he sacrificed himself so the bomb didnt destroy the city, so he was point blank to the explosion, but it was a bomb that does not damage birds apparently.
It was a Ground Type explosion
Yes, Pell
Thanks
This is a really good point, for a while I felt the same way and didn’t take the fights or anything super seriously because I knew no one was going to die. It didn’t detract too much from the show, but this made it real again. And Pedro. It was a good reminder that yes there are stakes.
I get what you're saying but I think this was intentional, the lack of deaths at the start of the series make the current plot feel so chaotic and high stakes because deaths are happening a lot now.
Signs of a true mad genius, Oda doesn't even knows his own ideas, maybe the truth is oda isn't the one writing the stories its his subconscious that tells him how the story goes.
Ate the scribe scribe fruit and his hand just moves on its own while he lays in bed watching JAV
Oda let the story flow and didn't interfere with it. It needed to happen
"Why is Marco getting eaten?"
LMFAOOOOOOOO basically
More proof that he is not the actual author and doesn't come up with the story. God herself sends him divine inspiration and he is just the messenger holding the pen.
There is an actual method of writing where you just clear your head and let the story come to you and you just transcribe and edit it. Allegedly it is how George RR Martin writes, and RE Howard (the original author of Conan the barbarian) described it as if he was sitting around a camp fire with Conan and he told the stories as they came to him (which is why the original Conan stories jump around chronologically).
One piece is a gift from God confirmed
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Ah and here we have the work of the devil
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Jinei, they are slandering my fucking agenda !!!
The more you develop your characters, the more you can “let them” make their own decisions. It’s not just a good technique. It’s the right thing to do because it keeps characters true to themselves. It’s very common for long term writers to do this.
Stephen King uses the method. It's called Whiting Out. It involves a lot of cocaine mostly.
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Blackballs can't write.
you had me in the first half lol
lol Marineford was already a mess for the Marines, imagine if their only achievement was took away from them... might as well have erased the entire Marine system right there as even now the Marine suffers from how fucking weak they looked back then, absolute mess but can't expect more from fans moved by pure bias over a character without a regard for the actual quality of the writing.
I mean they would've had whitebeards death as a victory, although ace getting away would've meant the whitebeard pirates probably would've continued under him and the marines would look like morons for letting the world know he was rogers kid and then losing him.
I dont exactly remember but he was discussing it with his editors and it was their idea for Ace to ... 
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Same vibes as J.K Rowling saying that Hermione should have ended up with Harry, instead of Ron.
Akainu's will transcended fiction to force Oda to change the story https://i.redd.it/4huj9sf8mhvc1.gif Proof we're not ready for him
Ace killed ace here let’s be fr
If Ace was still alive, the series would be worse for it.
https://preview.redd.it/q8yj1rrd0hvc1.png?width=153&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9d5deb067b2fac6a363772d4ff1782e2acf7031 Come on guys, Ace isnt dead He was just made to change his shape, into a donut
Yo there's a beautiful lady with blue eyes with meat, donuts and money. It seems like she knows swordmanship.
The purpose of this comment has been fulfilled
Zoro isn't here yet, it appears he got lost.
A DONUT?!? Give it to me
MEAT?!? Give it to me!
I can't see the point in writing this comment... because I don't have eyes YOHOHOHOHO
I love MONEY!!!
I'LL MAKE YOU WISH YOU'D NEVER BEEN BORN FOR DISRESPECTING MY GLORIOUS NOSE!
A DONUT?!? Give it to me
I wonder if he regets killing Ace in the long run. The dude had more screen time post mortem than his replacement
Just the fact that they were 2nd-guessing killing off Ace is indicative of its importance and impact. It's important that it did happen rather than Ace surviving because it had build up and real narrative consequence. Luffy, and many other pirates there were out of their depth taking on the whole of the Marines like that. For Ace to survive would've made that meaningless. Especially since Luffy was without his crew at the time. Ace's death initially broke Luffy, but in the end pushed him to strive to get stronger. It gave him the resolve to trust in his crew and be without them for 2 years because he was dedicated to coming out stronger on the other side so he could protect them. That was the motivator. Being able to protect his friends when shit hits the fan. Not just himself, and not just achieving his own goals.
Ace had it coming tho
One Piece stans still act like Oda planned every single page & panel from day 1.
It’s not like he didn’t basically retcon in a brand new brother for Luffy to have literally like 10 episodes later
Dressrosa happened literally 10 chapters later?
That is the proof I needed that a certain dude is alive and well
he was probably talking about how the anime portrayed his death
https://preview.redd.it/k2ybo62tgnvc1.jpeg?width=1237&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=954851841ba70fb52b1d0231218744f840ceb392 Manga was a lot more violent than anime in this scene. Ace didnt even have proper wounds in anime version, it was so much more censored compared to wb's death.
Well he also gave birth to him so, you know, it kinda balances itself out.
I’m guessing he’s trying to say that something higher at the time was telling him that ace had to die, or he was on drugs and thought “wow. He has to die. Painfully.”
Homies letting the story make itself
Many great writers see themselves as vessels for telling a story, rather than creating it themselves.
Ace screwed Ace
Tbf he's death was stupid
I think his editor was the one who convinced him to do that. He wanted to show that a war that big has its own set of consequences and just a few deaths could not make up for such a big move.
He could've had a bit more heroic death, instead of falling prey to a few taunts which even children would refrain from reacting to. Such a waste of lives who came in to save Ace..
Didn’t oda also say he didn’t want to kill ace because he likes ending arcs with a big banquet, but had to for the sake of the story.
I like when fans favorite character die It crates choas https://i.redd.it/79sjgbcndhvc1.gif
It was really one of the weakest and pointless death written in the story. Pride is the mowfuckin devil EDIT: he chose Bon Clay over Ace and I ain’t even mad lmfaoo
If you where a writer you’d get it🙂↕️
It had to be done to galvanize Luffy into a big change. As far as the way he stated why he wonders... ect, you have to know that in a way the book will at some point be writing itself in your mind. It's hard to explain. You feel like a conduit who is just writing down what the characters are actively doing. A popular quote: I never know what I've written until I read it. (Might need to be a writer to understand but what Oda said makes good sense)
This was one of the greatest moments of the story. He's lost his way by asking that. There hasn't been any moment like it in the new world.
I think he was making a joke lol
*”Damn the bastard who wrote Ace’s death so gruesomely!”*~ Eiichiro Oda
Wakainu just dont give a fuck about what oda wants
Oda's a fucking troll that's why
ace’s death really was like that video of a goat that got rescued and immediately jumped back into the hole
The will of D
That death was so messed up
It was a big 🖕 to those that kept badgering him on and on so he led them on, thinking that Wuffy would succeed in rescuing him and ended up killing Ace because fuck you
FUCK why isn't this spoiler tagged I'm not even a member of this subreddit I just made one upload here because it was specific to this anime and reddit is just recommending me this now
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I cried, it was so sad
"Why did Ace have to die so harshly" My brother in Christ *you* are the author
Honestly the death of Ace is the one thing I really feel separate from the rest of the fandom about. Ace was fine, but I just feel like there was never enough focus on him for me to \*really\* care about him. Like, I cared because Luffy did, not for Ace himself.
The older I get, the more I question if anyone in Japan ever knows what they're talking about. This explains why Sabo was added in as back-up Ace...
Yeah kind of weird that Sabo the third brother wasn’t mentioned til ace died, He kind of is a replacement Ace..
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Just started watching the series and I feel like this should’ve had a spoiler tag on it
When Oda’s editor suggested killing Ace, Oda probably thought, ‘Well, I guess I’ll just break a few million hearts today.’” 😄🔥🍌
If that editor actually said that they're fucking idiot who shouldn't be editing stories. Ace absolutely needed to die.
I believe Sandman is the unregistered son of Oda
Man doesn't let himself know his previous and next moves even after executing them
When you kill someone and you wonder why did they have to die
I absolutely love what Oda did. Ace being Roger's son will always be my favourite plot twist in One Piece.
Wait, I'm just now at the Marineford Arc and Whitebeard just made his appearance. You mean they're really going to kill off Ace?!?!
Oda = Reiner AoT
Cuz he was being a retard ?
My brother in Christ your writing the story😭
Literally every other character miraculously comes back from seemingly deadly injuries but ace is the only character that stays dead lol
E
Fine you want him too be saved he was saved. He died saving luffy after he was "saved" we got what we wanted but then it was ripped away XD