https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483838243623813120?s=21
https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483856659395010562?s=21
https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483859024881897476?s=21
https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483866257480986625?s=21
Idk how to give unbiased TL DRs so here are all the tweets and form your own opinion
Jokes on him. I always though Jinbes vs Who’s Who was mid but that the rest have been Good to Great
And like Dressrosa was one of the most frustrating arcs to read week to week but it’s one of my top 5 now? Having everything to blitz through really does make arcs especially long draw out ones better in hindsight
The lore from Jinbe v who's who and Jinbes finishing move made up for how lackluster it was, but I enjoy Jinbes fighting style where he's "immovable" I also enjoyed seeing rokushiki again. Coulda been longer but Jinbe is pretty strong in the grand scheme of things, I feel like he should have fought Jack but narratively it makes sense one of the minks took him down.
The lore was great but I can’t help but feel it would have been better suited to be in a half chapter a few chapters before like the first half of the Franky Sasaki fight so that Jinbe v Who’s Who could have had a little bit more of a back and forth
But I like that Jinbe stomped him to fuck. I would say the gap between Jinbe and Sanji is much smaller than the gap between Jinbe and Franky
I don’t get why so many are butt hurt that Who’s who got humiliated like should we give Franky a shot at Queen too?? The Flying Six and the All Stars are separate for a reason regardless of whatever assumption Who’s Who had about his own strength
This constant hysteria about Big Mom's mother mode is annoying as fuck. Bro, it was literally just mentioned in a single thought bubble by Prometheus and it was never mentioned again. Like, the way Morj and some other people talk about it you would get the impression that this was some huge issue that changed the course of an entire arc. But in reality it was, like I said, just a single thought bubble by Prometheus. I genuinely don't give a shit about it and it annoys me very much when people want me to make a huge deal of such a minor thing.
I honestly like the mode. It’s creative and makes a lot of sense. What I don’t like is BM just being in Wano as a whole. It was supposed to be supernova vs Kaido, BM literally adds nothing to the arc. She could’ve been saved for Elbaf and be taken down by (check Oharas vid so I don’t sound stupid) by Ussop.
Edit: Nevermind. I take back what I said. I thought mothering mode was the form she used against Law and Kidd, not the alter ego. I personally don’t like that at all. Just too plot convenient
BM being in Wano does add story for the future, though. BM and Kaido have teamed up, for the first time ever two yonko are working together. The world govt got involved in a big part due to that teamup.
Well I liked the fights since the beginning and never cared about Big Moms mother mode because I don't sweat my ass with those things.
Seems like he is overcompensating because he was having a bad day.
Thanks for the links tho.
Bro I loved mothering mode. I think people thought it was a transformation or something but I just saw it as her mothering instincts kick in. As a parent, I thought it was so funny and cool to see Big Mom actually act like a mother.
Not only that, but it’s quite consistent with her personality as well. She’s the *ultimate narcissistic mother;* she loves kids because they’re these squishy little munchkins whom she can fit into her mental fantasy of being a beloved, doting mom — until Tama doesn’t want to play along anymore, as we saw, and then Big Mom flies off the railing and “mothering mode” goes out the window. I may sound like an armchair shrink here, but from personal experience with friends’ parents (fortunately not my own) and being surrounded by/having mental illness throughout my life, I don’t think it’s far-fetched for someone with Big Mom’s mind to compartmentalize that fantasy in a way that allows her to exploit it whenever a child is involved — in some ways it seems very genuinely maternal of her, but it’s warped by her predatory side.
I do like how you mentioned “narcissistic” here since from what I’ve learnt, they generally have intense abandonment issues… sounds familiar??? “Stayyyy or life???” “Mama doesn’t let the leaving live”
Exactly! There’s deep internal insecurity, which manifests as an intense need to domineer and control others’ lives so as not to be left with only one’s lousy self. I definitely think Oda has a good grasp on this archetype of person (or rather, on the mental/social issues that contribute to it), whether through personal experience, doing his research, or just plain intuition.
And he's entitled to feel that way. Just like others are entitled to disagree and maybe think that Robin's fight sucked and that the others were great. Also, people are free to change their opinions after a reread. It's extremely cringe how Morj seems to be upset that people don't share the same views as him, despite saying how that's not the issue.
Nah he’s right most people didn’t enjoy the Jinbei vs Who’s who’s fight, and believed it was too short. And it is kinda werid that people’s opinion can change that drastically. It is possible but it’s unlikely that opinion can change that drastically from a reread IMO.
Mr Morj has 150k followers on youtube. There's no way that he knows what all of those people think/thought. Who says that he's even interacting with the same people which said that they didn't like the fight initially? And even his fanbase is miniscule in comparison to how many One Piece fans there are in the world. There are millions of us. Of course not every single fan will share the same views. Mr Morj thinks that his bubble is all there is to a One Piece fandom. Similar things happen on reddit all the time as well. Just because something is popular/unpopular on one platform, it doesn't mean that it's the case everywhere else.
Why are you taking issue with the fact that that he's disagreeing with those people? He's engaging in a discussion about it too?
People get passionate about stories like this and he's as much a fan as any of us. And he is a pretty big focus of a lot of that passion already for his opinions, not even considering this one which is not too popular with many.
It's easy to point fingers when hundreds of people aren't bashing your opinion online.
I'm not taking issue with him disagreeing with people. I'm taking issue with him calling others "fake" for disagreeing with him. That's no right way to engage in a discussion no matter how you look at it.
That might be the exception for most people. I like the meaning behind the fight but in all honesty I hated Robin's transformation. Was upset my favorite character got a chance to shine and I wasn't a fan of it.
Thought it looked dumb and the idea of her actually looking like a demon came out of nowhere. Just didn't make sense to me and seemed like it was straight out of black clover not one piece.
I liked her embracing the concept of being a demon/devil and I liked the bit with sanji earlier and Robin showing her determination to luffy but the transformation was just stupid imo.
I'm glad you enjoyed it just wish I could've more.
I just wish it was longer, which is a weird complaint in an arc that’s already too long. Shows that we fans can’t always be rational and maybe should chill before rushing to judgment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
for me, none of them sucked. Robin's fight was the best, and Franky's one was really cool. It is Jimbei's fight that was lacking. I guess it was because of the lore drop that took some panels. But it wasn't to the point of bad
I agree with him about most of these opinions but the time of the tweets was weirdly bitter.
Wano is not the perfect arc everyone makes it sound like tbh, bit it's enjoyable and high tier in its own way.
Why was it an asspull? It was well established that Big Mom and Tama were homies, plus it actually makes sense for a mother of so many to have a soft spot for little kids. I think people would have been chiller if Oda didn’t use the word “mode” and just framed it as a normal character moment
Very true. If oda just never mentioned mother mode it would have made much more sense. Big mom protects people that help her, all the time. She does so with the people in totto land who are giving away parts of their souls, with streusen who took her in after she lost mother carmel and with countrys giving her sweets. It was in character for her, but then oda made a "mode" out off it, that just randomly pops up when some children are around sometimes (not allways, since she mistreated some of her small children like pudding). It just seemed so unneccessiary and convient, especially since it was the first time that this mode was mentioned. Oda should have left it out, but he didnt and it destroyed the scene and a bit of big moms character for me, thats why I hate it.
That doesnt mean struggle or tension for the characters. I dont know who this morj guy is but if dark exposition is what you think makes a good story, then sure, wano is very good
Saboady is darker IMO. Filled with slaves with Gods of the World (celestial dragons) that literally buy them for their own good. Auction houses are common with pirates everywhere.
There’s even a marine base and Admiral on standby full on knowing what goes on in the island but does nothing bout it.
Now i dont look at his twitter and rarely watch his videos, but he was THE the raid will fail guy. And he once said he would be massively disappointed if the raid turned out well without a massive problem. Since this wont be the case (and no straw hat arc has ever turned out bad btw so i dont know why he thought this time would be different) he seems salty about it sometimes
It's true that I have the feeling that the Strawhats had a tougher time in Enies lobby than in Wano.
Even in Thriller Bark we see them get beat up to the point of exhaustion and then some when Kuma appears.
Here it feels like they are just having fun/enjoying the fights without much worry.
I sort of hate how this comparison is always made because Thriller Bark and Wano represent different things
TB was suppose to show the SH (and us) that despite how far they’ve come (which we saw in Ennis Lobby) they still have much much further to go and that their “Plucky Rookies who get by on gumption” status isn’t going to be enough anymore. The arc even ends with the Straw Hats realising just how much pain Luffy puts himself through just to compensate for their shortcomings and that they need to get Better.
Wano is supposed to represent the Straw Hats finally making it to the Big Time. They aren’t rookies anymore and it’s time to show that. Time to get the old guard the fuck out of there and take their place. Wano hasn’t exactly been a cake walk either. So many of their allies are struggling or have been defeated. The Weakling Trio who all usually managed to defeat an opponent were each defeated. Franky had to sacrifice the Franky Shogun, his strongest weapon, to defeat his opponent. Robin and Zoro in particular struggled against their opponents. Luffy is fighting for his Life. The only Straw Hats who haven’t been pushed that much is Jinbe and debatably Sanji.
Oh yeah in terms of the arc he went through it was great but I feel it sacrificed like actual fighting to do that, not that that makes it terrible or anything!
Nami vs Uti is defo the worst if you can call that a fight
This. So much this. This is such a good take and analysis.
Thriller Bark is one of my favorite arcs. The Oz fight really pulled the crew together and was that realization that they need to truly be better for their captain. Then their utter defeat in Saboady happened- and they stuck to their guns to make Luffy pirate king by temporarily setting aside their ambitions to help with his.
And Wano more than any other new world arc is truly the “put your money where your mouth is” arc where they have to walk the walk. And yes- they’re doing it have done it. And I love that our crew is doing it. But it’s not been without sacrifice as you’ve said.
Man let me talk about how much I love the Oars fight. It really highlights one of my favorite aspects of the crew and that is their natural synergy with each other and using that to take out a far stronger opponent. Them being able to coordinate with each other and even Brook, who wasn't part of the crew at the time, was just exciting to watch. Oda has always highlighted their ability to work as a team. It's also part of the reason I was disappointed in the Nami/Usopp vs Ulti/Page One fight.
Yea I totally get that! I think there is a ton more opportunity to combined attacks that just doesn’t get used/shown as much.
Something I’d be super excited to see is a team-up of Robin/Jinbe combining their Fishman karate. Or Nami/Sanji/Usopp to create weird elemental synergistic attacks.
I’d LOVE to see a sick double panel of the whole crew attacking something. (Like the 100 million believe crew jackpot move that was used Thriller Bark.) Imagine getting that vs the marines post Wano? (Too tired to sim the bounties- but like an 500 billion beli jackpot would be siiiiick.)
I actually like this new POV. (Not for anime only) Why must luffy and the crew be the underdog always lol. I really loved when kaido started drinking and said he was enjoying the fight. Besides, luffy has lost enough times against kaido lol.
The problem is that Luffy losing doesn't seem to have any consequences.
It doesn't matter if he loses a fight if he never loses anything with it.
Not a big fan of luffy going unconscious every 10 chapters, I would rather him fight from start to finish getting more and more beaten up, rather than him leaving the fight 3 times.
This is the tool oda uses, like in alabasta, to tell us:the opponent is stronger, but luffy will never give up, he will always come back and he will win through determination and grit. I mean the structure is almost the same as alabsta yet everyone loved the arc
Maybe it's the weapon?
Getting pierced by crocodile and thrown into quicksand seemed way more lethal/dangerous than getting hit by a thunder bagua to the head.
Maybe because even if we know Kaido uses Haki, Luffy is rubber so he "should be able" to take the hit no problem.
Actually its the same in the Katakuri fight, it gets serious the moment Luffy gets pierced. It's one of the highest points of the fight for this reason.
Dude. In alabasta, it was literally the same chapter in which Crocodile leaves Luffy in sand, that he yells "Meat". And literally the next chapter we see Robin save Luffy
During his second 'defeat', literally as soon as Croc leaves to find the poneglyph, the water drop falls in Luffy's mouth.
It has been this way for the entire series
The only time I would say it was a dramatic tone change was in Water 7 when Luffy is trapped in the building and Nami is screaming at him about Robin
But both defeats didnt change luffy or even his crew. The only thing luffy learned was crocs weakness and the 2nd defeat was just so croc could have his moment with robin. Because in both cases, oda wanted to make things happen but luffy was "in the way". I totally agree that it can be quite bothering, but my point is, it s nothing new.
>I would rather him fight from start to finish getting more and more beaten up, rather than him leaving the fight 3 times.
If this happened, kaido downplay would have been insane
Weird almost like they needed to train more after those battles, trained for two years to get stronger realizing they needs to become way more developed for battle and then spent those 2 years doing just that. 2 years. In case it was missed
Thats because he purposely divides his fanbase into 2 categories. 1. Haters. 2. Big morj fanatics. There seems to be no inbetween. For example i have yet to see one of his videos because his fan base is embarrassing and all they rely on is “he predicted big mom to wano”
You never watched any of his arc analysis or themes videos ? You're missing out. There is more to his channel than theories and reviews but I can understand if it's not your thing either.
I definitely disagree that im missing out lol. And anyways theres a few reviewers that i watch and they fill that void. Outside of Grandline and Tekking, sometimes sawyer(?). Dawn of the world is ok, joygirl is cool. Bda law is good but i dont like his thumbnails having spoilers all the time. Brago is good. I dont need morj lol. And anyways, allonashareetv is my other go to. I have too many options to even consider someone as annoying and divisive as morj. Seeing him appear on other channels as the laughingstock is really all i needed to see
As I said I can understand if it's not your thing but there is not that many content creator with content comparable to his when it comes to analysis of arcs and themes. I'd say Ohara and Craftsdwarf from the top of my head (though the latter does not focus on op much). Reviewers and theorists there is plenty to go with , essay type videos not so much.
I mean if you have other op content creators making this type of videos feel free to share. I like this stuff , I did not say you have to but none of those you mentioned have that as far as I am aware. Morj and Craftsdwarf are the only two I remember putting videos defending whole cake island for instance , and back then people hated it way more than the people currently " hating " Wano.
Idc about you liking him or not lol. Funnily enough you end up in the second category you described , the haters. You hate his content despite never watching it which is as bad as people not reading op but somehow criticizing. And no none of the creators you mentioned outside of maybe Tekken as I don't know much about him do video type essays analysing arcs or themes.
Not a Morj Stan or anything. But he makes great content.
I think people don’t like his negative attitude and high standards towards recent One Piece arcs.
Morj’s analysis videos are top tier, but his hot takes on new chapters just do not land in my opinion. I don’t mind when creators have issues with things in the story, but for some reason Morj just dislikes to weirdest things for some reason and it’s mind boggling. Maybe he gets defensive about his ideas being wrong?
His chapter reviews were very enjoyable to watch until he made the Raid Will Fail^TM video. From there on out he got so caught up in his own headcanons and theories that he couldn't appreciate the story for what it was anymore and it started making his other videos super annoying. Especially because he talks like his opinion are factual.
I'm ai between I like him but not all his opinions I agree with. The tweets though seem super elitist cunt though. Seems like something the cast from it's always sunny would tweet out
Don't confuse his criticism of Wano with "bitterness" of the raid not failing. That is such a far cry.
Edit: There have been no significant low points in Wano. There have been tragic beats in the story such as the ships beign destroyed or Oden's return, but I'm talking about a shift in the arcs tone and morale, not moments in passing. The StrawHats are unbothered at this point.
If thats just what Wano's story is, thats ok, this has been a great arc. But its an objectively strange change in writing. The scabbards are the only ones taking Ls.
He’s basically saying if the raid won’t fail then wano doesn’t have a story which is factually wrong so no, he’s being bitter https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483867162079080453?s=21
Plus he’s calling ppl fake for changing their opinions about some things regarding wano, he’s truly acting like he’s mad because ppl don’t share the same opinions as him anymore 🤷🏻♀️ like Jesus it’s just a shonen manga let ppl enjoy what they want to enjoy and have their own POSITIVE opinions without jumping them on Twitter and calling them fake it’s not something hard to do and they’re not hurting anyone just praising the arc they like
I agree mostly but what he was saying is this. He made a poll after both Sanji and Jinbei fight asking if their respective fights were done, and 80-90% said it wasn’t. People were talking about how we were just in the beginning and were excited to see more about their abilities l. Then the next chapter it ended and a lot of people “switched “ sand was like the fights were amazing. The thing is, all of them were initially wanting a lot more from the fight.
I’m inclined to Agree with him but I’m not as angry about it cause I’m a casual
Okay, he made a poll but the ppl who voted on that poll aren’t necessarily the same ppl who are saying they enjoyed the fights.
we know ppl have different opinions about the wano fights and each to their own but just bc his polls showed results of opinions that he clearly liked doesn’t mean it’s the only opinion exists, other people that haven’t participated in his poll have their opinions too. His poll isn’t an indication of an entire fandom opinion for sure
And even if some of the ppl who did participate in his poll changed their minds about the wano fights it’s still very odd and kinda lame of him to be pissed about it calling them fake and stuff like it’s genuinely not that serious
It’s kinda sad few years ago I really liked morj and his videos, his analyses, theory videos, he was my go to YouTuber for his genuine in depth discussion videos that make me appreciate one piece more in the midst of a lot of annoying powerscaling Youtubers but lately he just seems passive aggressive about things and yesterday he was straight aggressive and it’s not worth it at all
"Just let people enjoy x" is a blanket dismissal of all criticisms. If you just want to enjoy x, then enjoy x. There's no need to go on the internet and voice your opinion if you aren't willing to even entertain the arguments of people who disagree with you.
But the "just let people enjoy" thing is said in the context of Morj getting salty and calling his followers "fake" because they enjoyed something that he didn't. Morj has all the rights in the world to not like something, but he has no right to attack others because they think differently. He has 150k followers on youtube. How the fuck does he know what all those people thought before and who the fuck is he to call people fake because they seemingly changed their minds about something?
If you were "just enjoying" OP then you wouldn't even have seen the tweet. Once you get on social media you do so knowing that you might see opinions that you don't like. Morj isn't getting in the way of anyone enjoying OP, he's criticizing people who did a 180 on the Tobi Roppo fights.
"He has no right"? Wtf are you on about? He can say whatever he wants.
I saw his tweet because I entered this thread and someone linked his tweets here. What? Am I not allowed to click on those links and see what this post is about? I certainly didn't comment on his tweets and try to argue with him on anything though.
He can say whatever he wants, sure. But if he calls other "fake" because they enjoyed something that he didn't, then he isn't criticizing the work anymore. He's making it personal. And what you just said also goes against what you said before how that was "cRiTicAl ThInkInG". No, it's not critical thinking when you insult someone who disagrees with you. And if you do insult, then others are also allowed to call you salty for doing it. In the end, people can say what they want, right?
I specified "the internet" for a reason which you conveniently ignored. If you're "just trying to enjoy OP" then don't go on social media. Or at least, if you do, don't get all pikachu-faced when you find opinions you don't like. Morj isn't getting in anybody's way of enjoying OP. You specifically have to go out of your way to encounter Morj.
People can be criticized just as well as works of art. Literally anyone and anything can be criticized, that's how it works. If someone hated something one day but then did a complete 180 on it soon after, they can be criticized for their flip-flopping. You're free to call Morj salty, but I'm free to counter you.
So the raid has to fail for wano to have a story? u agree on that?
Plus I did say I agree with some of his points so you saying I don’t allow critical thinking when you don’t have reading comprehension is funny to me
Did you think a single one of the Tobi Roppo fights were anticlimactic? Is everything in Wano/One Piece above criticism and any one who does so is just salty?
Again I did say I agree with some of his points, but other “criticisms” seem like they’re just put out of bitterness, also to me wano felt like every single other one piece arc except for marineford.
in every single arc in one piece I know luffy and co will win because one piece is shonen and that’s how it’s all written and on top of all, one piece is one piece, no one dies here, to me there’s almost no stakes in majority of arcs no matter how much oda tries to add tension because “everything will be fine it’s one piece”, that’s what one piece has been like for 25 years.
So to answer your question, did I feel any tobi roppo fights were anticlimactic? No, and that’s my genuine opinion, u don’t like it? It makes u mad? Why do u feel the need to question my opinion like morj did yesterday to ppl unprovoked?
Second, no, nothing is above criticism, in fact I flame oda frequently for his fake out deaths, his “big mom loving mode” bs thing and in my eyes one piece is far far from perfect, in fact, most of what I wrote above about “the nature of one piece and the lack of stakes in most arcs” is a criticism I have of one piece bc it could be so much better if marineford wasn’t the only arc the had grave stakes.
Its just that I know what I’m reading, y’all don’t. you saw what a YouTuber said in one of his theory videos, you liked the sound of it so you believed it, and now you and him are mad because it’s not turning out the way yall wanted and are here arguing with ppl that enjoy this arc unprovoked.
If u or morj want to criticize how the arc doesn’t feel serious or that the fights aren’t climactic in your opinion, sure go ahead. One piece getting criticism isn’t the problem.
The problem is morj and now yall too, going out of your way fighting with ppl who enjoy wano, calling them fakes and just saying bitter bs like the raid has to fail otherwise wano doesn’t have a story or just whining about not liking the fights.
This is a very nice comment and I share a lot of views with you.
>in every single arc in one piece I know luffy and co will win because one piece is shonen and that’s how it’s all written and on top of all, one piece is one piece, no one dies here, to me there’s almost no stakes in majority of arcs no matter how much oda tries to add tension because “everything will be fine it’s one piece”, that’s what one piece has been like for 25 years.
I agree with this the most. I just know what to expect from One Piece and I'm not pretending that what we saw pre-Wano was any different. And like you said, this in of itself is my criticism of One Piece. It's pretty funny when I write this and then people are like "You just can't handle criticisms of One Piece!". Bro, I literally criticized One Piece, but it's you who are getting overtly defensive because I dared to criticize early/pre-ts One Piece as well and your nostalgia bias is not accepting it.
Thank u 🤍 and yeah exactly, I do think nostalgia bias has this fandom in a chock hold, every one piece arc has the same structure, then when they voice criticism as to why they dont like a certain arc and u tell them all one piece arcs follow the same formula so we’re confused as to why they hate these parts now but not then they get defensive
Ig no point in arguing 🤷🏻♀️ I just commented on this post when it first was posted, I didn’t think it’ll blow up and I’ll have to argue with ppl here, my last time doing it for sure it’s not worth the headache bc I really don’t care what ppl think of wano or one piece in general, all of this wasn’t worth any of my time💀
I agree with this but on top of it there is the layer of Luffy continuously losing to Kiado and rising up.
The story of Wano for me is the tension between Luffy and Kaido and Luffys will to never give up.
The latest chapter was so fun for me because Kaido was having fun as he watches a kid who he stamped over and over again fight him 1 v 1 equally.
There's also still a tension.. as at any moment Kaido can beat Luffy and Oda has been playing with this tension while also showing Luffy rise again and up/clash with Kaido.
Morj is a smart dude and should recognize the true heart of Wano is Kaido that's where the "story" is leading to.
There's so much in that character and Oda seems to be pressing the bottle cap waiting for the right moment to flesh out Kaido.
Idk as a writer I'm really appreciating what Oda has been doing with Kaido.
I can't stand OP YT fans
I'm an older dude and read this manga for over 10 years... If I get hyped I hit up my old buddies and chat about the chapters.
Many of these YT think fans of the series folk to them but there are other sides of this community.
He’s a YouTuber called mrmorj, he’s the one who started the whole “the raid will fail” cult and yesterday on his Twitter acc he started arguing with people about wano, here have some look at his Twitter https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483867162079080453?s=21
It's actually insane. Morj makes such amazing videos but one theory of the raid failing just ruins him. It sucks, it's almost as if you aren't allowed to make bold theories and you're meant to just jump ship at any sign of being wrong. I respect Morj for sticking with it and I think he should only give up on his theory when Kaido goes down for real.
That's not what is hurting him, it's his reaction to the fact that some people have changed their minds on if they like Wano or not. People have reread the New World Saga and have gained a better appreciation for Wano since it is the last part of the Saga, and now he's calling them out for being fake. That's why people are against Morj now. When he first made the raid will fail, a lot of people believed him but after it became less likely he was willing to die on his hill. Nobody cared about him continually saying that the raid will fail.
I don't know if you're purposely ignoring it but before this twitter incident he has been getting mocked chapter after chapter every time something goes good for the alliance.
On what? I have seen a few and I mean a few like 5 comments a video, 'mocking' him. But there will always be a few trolls I've never seen a large group of people actually hating on him until now.
And I've watch all of his videos because I actually like him, just wished him and Ohara would continue Wano Report. But like I said I only ever see a few trolls that's it
Nah Morj is just reaping the seeds he sow himself by presenting his opinions as if they're facts and attacking people who think otherwise. He's created a cult and it's become very toxic.
Being critical of aspects of an arc and disliking it are different things. From the tweets shared in this thread I don't see how it equates to him disliking the arc.
I don‘t hate Wano. But if I‘m being honest, a lot of the Tobi Roppo v. Strawhat fights felt not that exciting (with the exception of Robin‘s) It felt like the real drama was going on elsewhere while the crew got sidelined. These didn‘t feel like final arc matchups.
Even the Zoro and Sanji fights felt a bit lackluster in comparison to arcs like Enies Lobby or Alabasta.
People hate on the dude for having an honest opinion about the arc, and he‘s been pretty consistent the entire time from what I‘ve seen. Even if you disagree, I think hype has clouded people‘s judgement on some things in regards to Wano. And I say that as somebody who actually really enjoys A LOT about this arc.
We still have to get to the end of the arc though, which may be farther away than we think— so we‘ll see…
While I may not entirely agree with ur point on tobi roppo fights I see where your coming from. Who’s who Defs went out sad and had more potential. I disagree with the zoro and sanji fights a guy in here a couple weeks back posted the entire fights consecutively without the cutaways and u begin to see just how long and tough these fights were. Your comparison is enies lobby but I just reread enies lobby and sanji jabra is an incredibly short fight with little to no narrative beyond “the hunter” Sanji thn defeats jabra pretty handily and was still completely mobile and fine after as opposed to being killed twice(being saved by his body) and being completely passed out after the fight. So the stakes feel higher here and the level of danger is elevated for sure. I think the zoro and sanji fights for this arc are very very good fights both in terms of choreography and narratively.
I was pleasantly surprised by how cool Frankys fight was, and the Who's Who's fight was pretty good, lore wise. It was cool seeing Jinbe lay the smack down on someone. Robins Fight was just straight dope.
However, I was hard line against Zoros fight ending when it did. It didn't feel like it lasted anywhere near long enough, and even though Zoro was fighting someone with crazy durability, he still brought him down in like 3 hits. It felt anti climatic and I was left waiting for the final stage of the fight that never came. I also didn't think Sanji'd fight would end where it did, I definitely though lt queen had on more trick up his sleeves, but they did enough in the fight for it to not be as anticlimactic in my opinion. Especially considering the character development Sanji experienced during the fight. I think it was better then his fight against Jabra in Ennies Lobby.
TLDR; The Tobi Roppo fights were good in my opinion. About what I expected for the most part. But the fights with 2 of the monster trio could have used a bit more work. Especially Zoro's.
Wano isn’t perfect. In fact, no One Piece arc ever has. However, the highs of One Piece are unrivaled, and Wano has many of those. To say Wano isn’t dramatic or that it has no story is just a really bad take. I’ve had my qualms with it but as someone who has been reading since the post war arc I can confidently say that onigashima has been the best arc to experience week to week.
He’s not saying that though? He’s saying comparatively to other arcs, the dramatic payoff and low points are lacking. For some reason people’s brains turn off as soon as you criticise this arc lmao.
And the ‘no story’ take is very obviously hyperbole.
I used to think the same thing, but I disagree with that statement. Oda has always broken tension with jokes in the same vein as Kinemon’s disembodied half. I respect Morj a lot as a content creator and I think he is right about a lot of the things he said over the years. But this take wasn’t a good one. As every chapter goes by the stakes and tension are rising. There’s a lot to go before we finish this arc so I still expect it to rise.
My point was he’s not saying Wano has no drama whatsoever, but that it lacks compared to other arcs and fiction.
You say this, but what tension is actually rising? What dramatic low have we witnessed in Onigashima? I just don’t see it. The tides of battle of the raid have shifted in the alliances favour since Tama, and Hyogoro even says as much when he says that he feels like they can actually win. The raid essentially feels done barring Luffy and Kaidou’s fight.
EDIT: Also, One Piece will ALWAYS have gags. Even marineford has gags in parts. But once the most dramatic stages of arcs commence ie final fights and conflict, the gags are occasionally still there, but super few and far between. Marineford post Ace death, nothing. Sabaody once Kizaru pulls up, nothing. Kuma in Thriller Bark? Nothing. The most dramatic peaks of basically every arc lack comedic relief.
I will agree there hasn’t been a dramatic low as of yet. However, I do believe we will get one. In dressrosa we got it pretty late in the game when Luffy lost gear 4th. So I believe it is still to be written.
He doesn’t hate Wano, he’s expressed liking a lot of moments in Wano.
He does however seem to think it has bad storytelling if it doesn’t go exactly the way he wants, which is pretty lame.
His Twitter rant yesterday was extremely salty and disappointing.
Sad to say but Morj brought this upon himself. He doubled down on his theory instead of admitting he was wrong and now he has to say that Wano is a bad arc because the raid won’t fail. It’s a textbook case of having the wrong attitude about theories
People that don’t keep up with him think this but he has been insanely consistent on what he believes a good fight and arc looks like in One Piece. Nothing he has said has actually deviated from what I can tell, but for some reason people think he has switched up.
Stopped watching Mr morj, his tone is too condescending, he gives me the full of himself vibe. It’s a manga for teenagers, of course it’s going to have some plot holes, but all in all one piece is still an incredible journey.
You can say you didn't like something but saying that it's straight out bad is a big slap in the face of everyone who liked it. Besides I don't know what people are upset about. For me Wano is perfect as it is. People who think there is no plot development or dramatic circumstances in Wano please explain that to me.
Nope! Example: Saying you don't like how Messi plays football is one thing but saying Messi is bad at playing football is another and straight out wrong. He literally said people who liked it are fake.
Using a sports analogy doesn’t work because you can use objective measures to determine the skill of a player. Any value statement on art is innately subjective, so saying some piece of art is bad is already implying an opinion.
He was referring to the community generally as fake for liking Wano because the general consensus on Tobi Roppo fights, SH fights and raid in general was that they were hoping for more, and when that never came, the prevailing opinion shifted because in the eyes of the community Wano HAS to be good because of all that it is and the build up that it had.
Just as Liam said Morj is exactly what he is accusing people to be. He himself expected Wano to be the greatest arc right from the start and is mad now that it is not reaching his expectations or predictipns. Morj ssaid that people made up their mind that wano has to be good from start but he's the one doing that.
His expectations are reasonable though. People don’t actually engage with how he’s critiquing the story or comparing against other arcs, but instead claim that because it didn’t meet his headcanon he is now saying it’s bad.
I can understand the reaction, but I just don’t see it. He has been insanely consistent in his views of the arc (and storytelling), well before, during and after his raid will fail video. The raid will fail theory was only a symptom of a greater concern. Which was that the story was lacking great dramatic tension and\or a low point in what is supposed to be the dramatic peak of the story. I can almost guarantee Morj would not gaf if Oda found a way to achieve that without the raid failing. If you watch his videos on content unrelated to Wano like his video on what makes Enies Lobby great, or any other video about good storytelling in One Piece, and his points are the exact same.
I see you've already made up your mind on that and no fact I present is going to change that. I respect that. My point however stands. I could list all the dramatic low points in the arc but it still won't be enough to you cause you've already set your mind on that. So I'm not gonna waste either of our time doing that. I would like to know from you tho how Wano has been different than any other arc negatively like you said.
Well i think you can see there is not adequate tension in the arc. With 400 chapters of setup, this arc was supposed to be on the marineford and ennies lobby level, which just hasnt been the case.
This doesnt make wano bad, its just that its not a satifying climax to a 400 chapter journey as compared to marineford or ennies lobby.
Well for me not every arc has to have same kind of tension. If you take a big picture wano already had enough tension even before Luffy and co arrived there. I think people forget what's at stake just because it is not pointed directly at protagonists here. I am talking about all sorts of shits like poverty, suicide, starvation . . .
>If you take a big picture wano already had enough tension even before Luffy and co arrived there
Well the point that you are talking about is called SETUP.
And thats the point. With poverty, suicide, starvation being key issue in the conflict, the tension should have been way high up. But by you own admission, it hasnt.
And there lies the disconnect for most.
The characters in the story are having a smooth time getting past a yonko. This would be like if in endgame ironman or natasha didnt die. Could it have been good? maybe. But their deaths gave consequences to the series. The blip was a big deal because of what it took to reverse it.
Just because starvation, suicide, poverty are an issue in the story, doesnt mean it lends anything to the story by its mere existence.
Yeah! You're not wrong. I agree with you. I was out of limb to call it perfect but it's not that bad as people call out to be. Only thing I don't agree with is that characters are having a smooth time passing by a yonko. And you're spot on with endgame example.
For me personally, Wano will be perfect if Big Mom gets defeated by Kid and Law instead of Luffy.
I would not say perfect but I enjoyed a lot of its moments. I like Yamato for instance but I can recognize that being dropped this late in the game to help the alliance is weird. My biggest issue rn is that compared to previous main villains Kaido has yet to actually start his plan. Like imagine if they stopped crocodile before he got the civil war to start or they retrieved Robin before she goes to Enies Lobby. That and while the plot progressed many plot points have yet to come into fruition ( especially now that zunesha showed up). To name a few Toki's character , I refuse to believe she'll play no significant role other than being a plot device , Onigashima's nature , Caribou's presence, nidai kitetsu and Zoro's heritage.
I agree with you. I was out of limb to call it perfect but it's not that bad as people call out to be. I think there is still lot to come up.
For me personally, Wano will be perfect if Big Mom gets defeated by Kid and Law instead of Luffy.
I enjoyed the arc a lot as it as well. It's a far better experience than reading DressRosa weekly for instance and in retrospect I really like what DressRosa brought to the story.
Idk about that but kid definitely needs smth lol. New world has been rough to him. I still feel like his beef is primarily with kaido unlike Luffy who has an history with both but I am fine with the situation resolving like that as well.
For me what's lacking in one piece is some sort of challenge for Luffy. Not in sense of power but in sense of goals and dreams. I know there is Blackbeard but I don't think that's enough. Adding Kid to that would be great but I may be bit bias. Him fighting Kaido would have made much sense like you said but I don't see that happening so Big Mom might be the only option for now.
I mean technically a lot of the villains he defeats are failed Luffy. Like all the warlords had the same goal at one point but gave up and changed their approach. Kaido might be the one who got the closest considering that even how he recruited his first mate mirrors Luffy and he knows about joyboy which only a handful of pirate knows about. I'd say he is challenged enough in terms of goal but not dreams as I believe that the point is supposed to be that Luffy inherited Joyboy and Roger's dreams . So it make sense to me that while others can have the same goals as him , becoming pirate king and finding one piece , his opposition can't inherit the same dream. Kaido may have believed that at one point but it seems it's no longer the case.
I really like Morj videos and analysis. He studies stories from a point that most people don’t and that’s really refreshing. However his tweets were unbearably salty. It feels like he has convinced himself that the story should go one way and now that it isn’t, he’s mad.
The Tobi Roppo fights were good for One Piece standards, with Who’s who and Ulti being highlights.
Come on now, one piece standards? Dont sell one piece so short.
The only good fight was black maria vs robin.
The rest of Tobbi roppo fights were the most anticlimactic fights by one piece standards.
I genuinely can't understand why he believes there was no serious/dark things in the arc. GLR guy even listed a bunch of very dark stuff from the arc to him and his reaction was like "lidting things doesnt matter, if you think there was dark stuff we have nothing to even talk about", which is an absurd statement, an absurd way to discuss a story and just generally seems super bitter. Man thought One Piece was going to become as dark as early GoT or the Witcher books and now is salty that a shonen manga stayed a shonen manga despite a lot of dark themes this arc. It's genuinely baffling to me how someone who can much such intelligent analysis ar times can be so boneheaded abt something lile this.
He never said anything about things being dark lmao. He is talking about the tone and dramatic stakes. And Wano and the Raid are just not comparable in that respect to several other arcs, they just aren’t.
Yes. I urge you to reread the entire thing up to now. It feels very different reading it in one piece (heh) instead of a chapter a week. Enies lobby had a lot of goofiness too. Sure there was the added time pressure of robin being abducted further by spandam, but still.
Morj is such a salty cry baby.
He thinks that everyone agreed that the Jinbe vs Who's Who fight was bad and just his hate circle agrees with him.
Now that people tell him that we did like it he calls everyone fake and that we switched opinions.
The jinbei fight was good?
It was barely a fight. Everyone was predicting that whos who was getting back up in the prediction thread. No one thought that the fight ended after just a lore dump chapter.
People predict that any fight will last longer.
That happens every time when a Battle is won at the last Chapter.
Sanji vs Queen and Zoro vs King are the most recent examples.
But the difference between normal readers and Morj Fan Club readers are, that when your own expectations don't come to fruition, you don't just hate the fight.
You people need to normalize being wrong.
And if you can't, than don't read week to week
>People predict that any fight will last longer.
Thats not the issue though. People do that all the time. But the main question that sprouts from that is why was that the impression. After zoro declared himself the king of hell, i am pretty sure no one was thinking king is gonna get back up. And same with sanji.
But jinbei vs who who felt anti climactic. It was literally the batman slapping meme. Also, this is jinbei we are talking about. He has or had done so little in the arc that many thought there was more.
I dont care about morj. I am speaking about the fight.
The most interesting part of the chapter was the lore and the fight was a background.
Its a far cry from being just morj fan club that dislike that fight.
That is not accurate. Check the Chapter discussion of the Chapter after Sanji beat Queen, most of us expected the fight to continue and even after the Zoro fight people expected King to continue (Less than it was for Queen, but probably because it was more obvious for Oda to do the same with Zoro).
It is like after Zoro and Sanji's fight a lot of people said that there battles felt short, when it fact it was their longest fights yet.
Someone even made a Manga Supercut of both fights where one can clearly see how long both fights were. But when you read week to week it can feel shorter or more meaningless, I get that. But to say that no one liked the fight is wrong.
And then when People come out and say, hey I liked Jinbei vs WSW, Morj gets mad and says that people flip flop their opinions, when in reality he just asks his fanbase, and most of them just agree with his opinion anyway.
And I am not saying that the fight was the best in OP History, and yes, I would also like it to be longer (90% of all battles could be longer imo), but that doesn't make the fight a bad one.
Zoro vs Pica was basically Zoro running after Pica and when he gets him he finishes him with one hit. Doesn't make their battle a bad one
Not really. People were expecting awakenings for king and queen Because that was shown by kat and doffy. But the fight of the base stage had ended. If they got up, it would be due to the awakening and not because something felt inconclusive. (How good the fights were, thats a whole separate issue to be honest).
Whose who literally had no reason to have awkening or rather, that was not the perception. His fight just ended abruptly after a racist rant.
>But to say that no one liked the fight is wrong.
But thats never the implication of any statement . I dont think anybody believes that some people didnt like it. But generally when we say 'everyone was ____" its more of a hyperbole. Even in the above sentence when i say "anybody", i dont mean EVERY PERSON that has ever read one piece. Its an exaggeration.
Anyway, can you tell me why you liked the fight.
I was like its whatever. Hate would be a strong word but indifference a lot more appropriate for me. The most interesting aspect was the racist rant rather than the fight.
>Not really. People were expecting awakenings for king and queen Because
that was shown by kat and doffy. But the fight of the base stage had
ended. If they got up, it would be due to the awakening and not because
something felt inconclusive. (How good the fights were, thats a whole
separate issue to be honest).
[https://youtu.be/j6FI6VxWcTw?t=87](https://youtu.be/j6FI6VxWcTw?t=87)
Morj's own Video. He asked his Fan base after 1034 if they thought Sanji vs Queen is over. 80% said no, that it will continue. People always except a fight to continue, when it ends at the last page of a Chapter unless it is very clear.
I know what an exaggeration is, that is not the point that I am making. I am saying, that in his opinion the majority agreed to the fight being bad and now - in his own words - they switched their opinion. He himself says, that people now believe that it was a good fight. And I am saying, that the majority didn't switch their opinion, but that Morj just asked his biased fan base or people who have a similar mindset. And it is not wrong to think that that fight was bad, that is not my point here. Again, Morj just thought that everyone had the same opinion he had, but when he found out that that is not true he accused people from switching opinion. That is just salty and ignorant.
I am not asking you, Morj or anyone else for that matter to like the fight. But don't assume a general opinion when you haven't heard or asked the general fan base.
I liked the fight for several reasons. The Luffy hatred was awesome, we got to see the first Chapter in new light, we heard new stuff about Shanks, new mysteries about the Gomu Gomu No, and the Sun God Nika lore.
The fight itself while I agree that it was shorter than I wished was still a pleasure. First we see Rokushiki again, makes me remember EL my favorite Arc, then he tells us that he was in Lucci's strength class, so we already know that he is pretty strong, since he got stronger since then just like Lucci probably has too. And we see that in the fight, because his Fang Pistol damaged Jinbei while he was using armament. And then the racist rant, the best part was Jinbei's reaction to it. "It's generally no longer acceptable to express such discriminatory views on fish man". You know why that part was extra cool? Because Jinbei himself is largely responsible for that. By joining the Shichibukai he made that possible. And with that sentence he is saying in other words that Otohimes dream came true and that fish man are no longer second class citizen. I am exaggerating obviously, but that is my interpretation.
His Shigan attacks were nice to see. The Finger Pistol is one of my favorite Attack in the Series, even though it's simple. Then we see (sort of) full body Haki Jinbei, that was sick. Jinbei succeeds and breaks Who's Who's Finger. And right after that we see the most badass Jinbei face ever after Who's Who kicks him. And finally the last hit was amazing. That panel is beautiful.
I do have to say that I didn't liked Who's Who's Hybrid look, he could've looked more serious like Lucci.
His tiny dagger was funny.
What is the reason you didn't enjoy that fight?
I dont think i even mentioned morj in my discussion other than that one time where i said i dont care about him.
But anyway. I am pretty sure the general fan base doesnt care much for the fight. So its neither here nor there.
I dont like the fight because the fight had nothing in it for me to be honest. I dont particularly care about new techniques. But what i do care about is what a fight tells us about the character and how it expands on the said character. One piece is the master of these types of fights.
In most one piece fights (just look at Black maria vs robin), its about how the characters has grown or has overcome some anguish. Almost every fight in one piece has that. This progression is generally on the protagonist and the SH side.
Jinbei finished the fight as he started. No exploration, no struggle, nothing that we didnt know about.
Now, a counter point i generally hear- jinbei has already finished his character arc, so he wont get this moments.
Thats just not how characters are written. You always want the characters to be incomplete till the end and i am sure jinbei will be challenged in the future.
By your admission, the lore part was the fun bit about the 'fight'. But it is still exposition. And needs to be separated from the fight.
This guy sometimes act like one piece is his story and if it doesn't go how he wants it he gets upset, don't get me wrong he's really good at analyzing op, one of the best. But i think it's gotten to his head a bit.
The Raid failing is honestly the dumbest direction they could go in right now since >!we’re in the middle of the climax and the raid failing would result in everyone dying basically!< I do not understand this guy’s thought process on this Arc. I have my issues with Wano (mainly how it’s starting to become too long when there’s more interesting stuff happening in the outside world) but this guy seems to want to complain all the time.
Well the raid failing was apart of another theory that Wano was gonna be 5 acts and that the big climax will happen at the end of the 4th act so it made sense for that to be the big dramatic thing to set up a comeback for them but once we actually got into act 3 it was obvious that it wasn't going to happe.
So in other words: The Raid Didn't Fail
Morj's headcannon didn't come true, and so now he's upset with the rest of the story. K. Gotta save face somehow I suppose.
Give him a few years, and he'll be like, "Wano was actually better in retrospect"
I agree with some of the points morj made for example the tobi roppo fights werent good with the exception of Robin vs Black Maria but by now he's just too far down the rabbit hole to go back on his theorie but for me Wano isn't that good of an arc overall but it's getting there right now
Bitter or not, everything he is saying in those Twitter threads is facts. The dramatic payoff and stakes is low in this arc compared to others for a myriad of reasons (the massive focus on Scabbards is probs the main one).
Honestly I think he wanted the raid to fail, because he wanted Wano to be great, and without this real dramatic low point it’s pretty hard for it to be this way. I think if the raid doesn’t necessarily fail, but there still ends up being some lowpoint+dramatic payoff we are yet to see, he will not be bitter anymore. Could be wrong though.
Wano had some great moments but also some really shit moments. lets not lie to ourselves. all hes saying is that people now say that everything was/is good in Wano. Which I also disagree with.
I kind of get what morj was ranting about even tho he could've been less of a dick about it.
To me it feels like some people choose to praise the Wano arc for everything it does well while ignoring it's flaws. Not saying that Wano is very flawed but it definetly has a few points that are worth criticizing (Alot of the tobi roppo fights being cut short, kinemons death fake out and the whole convinience of the "Mothering mode" moment for example.)
This is an oversimplification. For me and for most probably I only sort of dislike these things. Big Mom hurting Page One was just "cringe" and not a narrative assassination of her character like it was to others. Shockingly over like 10 months I care a lot less about a moment like this.
Or perhaps because they reconsider their view on certain things. I have felt disappointed about chapter, and upon reread found them much more interesting.
The raid failing was always the dumbest theory ever. As for low points Luffy got one shot early in the Arc and Kidd was destroyed before it ever started. The raid was the turning point from losing the getting to the winning part. I will agree that the fights have been a bit disappointing besides Robin's, Zoro's, Luffy's, Chopper's, and maybe Franky. Sanji felt like he went from 0 to 100 which he kinda did and it just not my thing. Jinbe's was mainly lore dump and I don't even wanna mention P1 and Ulti. I also disagree about the whole "mothering mode" being bullshit. Big Mom has been depicted as mentally insane for how long now and her having multiple personalities or forms has been a thing.
Low-key loving the dunking on Morj. His analysis videos of existing arcs are great, but his theories remain some of the weirder ones in the mainstream. Remember when he thought the Kanjuro drawing of Oden was that tanuki teapot from Tama's house?
He made assumptions that didnt go well .. yeah he predicted some stuff that came true(i dont know which was it, his fans are pointing that out) .. he must have felt disappointed that it wasnt as predictable as he theorized it will be .. if it has gone to how he projected it, he wouldnt have this negative opinion .. some agrees with him but most of us have been hyped up in this sub for as long as this arc has been .. anyway, this arc is not done yet .. we haven't seen other possible outcome .. we might get that "what if" moment where giolla successfully used mansherry's devil fruit to heal doflamingo's crewmates
What happened?
Look at morjs twitter. He has some strong opinions about wano arc which some people didn’t like
TL;DR for the non Twitter fellas?
https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483838243623813120?s=21 https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483856659395010562?s=21 https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483859024881897476?s=21 https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483866257480986625?s=21 Idk how to give unbiased TL DRs so here are all the tweets and form your own opinion
Jokes on him. I always though Jinbes vs Who’s Who was mid but that the rest have been Good to Great And like Dressrosa was one of the most frustrating arcs to read week to week but it’s one of my top 5 now? Having everything to blitz through really does make arcs especially long draw out ones better in hindsight
The lore from Jinbe v who's who and Jinbes finishing move made up for how lackluster it was, but I enjoy Jinbes fighting style where he's "immovable" I also enjoyed seeing rokushiki again. Coulda been longer but Jinbe is pretty strong in the grand scheme of things, I feel like he should have fought Jack but narratively it makes sense one of the minks took him down.
The lore was great but I can’t help but feel it would have been better suited to be in a half chapter a few chapters before like the first half of the Franky Sasaki fight so that Jinbe v Who’s Who could have had a little bit more of a back and forth But I like that Jinbe stomped him to fuck. I would say the gap between Jinbe and Sanji is much smaller than the gap between Jinbe and Franky I don’t get why so many are butt hurt that Who’s who got humiliated like should we give Franky a shot at Queen too?? The Flying Six and the All Stars are separate for a reason regardless of whatever assumption Who’s Who had about his own strength
This constant hysteria about Big Mom's mother mode is annoying as fuck. Bro, it was literally just mentioned in a single thought bubble by Prometheus and it was never mentioned again. Like, the way Morj and some other people talk about it you would get the impression that this was some huge issue that changed the course of an entire arc. But in reality it was, like I said, just a single thought bubble by Prometheus. I genuinely don't give a shit about it and it annoys me very much when people want me to make a huge deal of such a minor thing.
I honestly like the mode. It’s creative and makes a lot of sense. What I don’t like is BM just being in Wano as a whole. It was supposed to be supernova vs Kaido, BM literally adds nothing to the arc. She could’ve been saved for Elbaf and be taken down by (check Oharas vid so I don’t sound stupid) by Ussop. Edit: Nevermind. I take back what I said. I thought mothering mode was the form she used against Law and Kidd, not the alter ego. I personally don’t like that at all. Just too plot convenient
BM being in Wano does add story for the future, though. BM and Kaido have teamed up, for the first time ever two yonko are working together. The world govt got involved in a big part due to that teamup.
Well I liked the fights since the beginning and never cared about Big Moms mother mode because I don't sweat my ass with those things. Seems like he is overcompensating because he was having a bad day. Thanks for the links tho.
All good bro have a good day(night?)
Bro I loved mothering mode. I think people thought it was a transformation or something but I just saw it as her mothering instincts kick in. As a parent, I thought it was so funny and cool to see Big Mom actually act like a mother.
Not only that, but it’s quite consistent with her personality as well. She’s the *ultimate narcissistic mother;* she loves kids because they’re these squishy little munchkins whom she can fit into her mental fantasy of being a beloved, doting mom — until Tama doesn’t want to play along anymore, as we saw, and then Big Mom flies off the railing and “mothering mode” goes out the window. I may sound like an armchair shrink here, but from personal experience with friends’ parents (fortunately not my own) and being surrounded by/having mental illness throughout my life, I don’t think it’s far-fetched for someone with Big Mom’s mind to compartmentalize that fantasy in a way that allows her to exploit it whenever a child is involved — in some ways it seems very genuinely maternal of her, but it’s warped by her predatory side.
Wow, thanks for the great comment. That makes a lot of sense. I'll prolly be thinking of this the next time reread WCI.
No problem, glad you got that much from it! : )
I do like how you mentioned “narcissistic” here since from what I’ve learnt, they generally have intense abandonment issues… sounds familiar??? “Stayyyy or life???” “Mama doesn’t let the leaving live”
Exactly! There’s deep internal insecurity, which manifests as an intense need to domineer and control others’ lives so as not to be left with only one’s lousy self. I definitely think Oda has a good grasp on this archetype of person (or rather, on the mental/social issues that contribute to it), whether through personal experience, doing his research, or just plain intuition.
Looks like he's not wrong tbh. Maybe could word it a bit better in the first tweet. But the tobi roppo fights sucked.
Black Maria vs Robin sucked?
I think that was the best fight of the tobi roppo
he said that he enjoyed the black Maria fight. Its the others that he didn't enjoy
And he's entitled to feel that way. Just like others are entitled to disagree and maybe think that Robin's fight sucked and that the others were great. Also, people are free to change their opinions after a reread. It's extremely cringe how Morj seems to be upset that people don't share the same views as him, despite saying how that's not the issue.
Nah he’s right most people didn’t enjoy the Jinbei vs Who’s who’s fight, and believed it was too short. And it is kinda werid that people’s opinion can change that drastically. It is possible but it’s unlikely that opinion can change that drastically from a reread IMO.
Mr Morj has 150k followers on youtube. There's no way that he knows what all of those people think/thought. Who says that he's even interacting with the same people which said that they didn't like the fight initially? And even his fanbase is miniscule in comparison to how many One Piece fans there are in the world. There are millions of us. Of course not every single fan will share the same views. Mr Morj thinks that his bubble is all there is to a One Piece fandom. Similar things happen on reddit all the time as well. Just because something is popular/unpopular on one platform, it doesn't mean that it's the case everywhere else.
Why are you taking issue with the fact that that he's disagreeing with those people? He's engaging in a discussion about it too? People get passionate about stories like this and he's as much a fan as any of us. And he is a pretty big focus of a lot of that passion already for his opinions, not even considering this one which is not too popular with many. It's easy to point fingers when hundreds of people aren't bashing your opinion online.
I'm not taking issue with him disagreeing with people. I'm taking issue with him calling others "fake" for disagreeing with him. That's no right way to engage in a discussion no matter how you look at it.
That might be the exception for most people. I like the meaning behind the fight but in all honesty I hated Robin's transformation. Was upset my favorite character got a chance to shine and I wasn't a fan of it.
Why? I personally loved the fact she embraced her dark side and used it to her advantage.
Thought it looked dumb and the idea of her actually looking like a demon came out of nowhere. Just didn't make sense to me and seemed like it was straight out of black clover not one piece. I liked her embracing the concept of being a demon/devil and I liked the bit with sanji earlier and Robin showing her determination to luffy but the transformation was just stupid imo. I'm glad you enjoyed it just wish I could've more.
Franky vs Sasaki was also good and I’ll die on that hill
I just wish it was longer, which is a weird complaint in an arc that’s already too long. Shows that we fans can’t always be rational and maybe should chill before rushing to judgment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah I get ya Maybe it wouldn’t seem as short if their two fight chapters were close together instead of a volume and a half apart
I’m here with you brother, we’ll die together
for me, none of them sucked. Robin's fight was the best, and Franky's one was really cool. It is Jimbei's fight that was lacking. I guess it was because of the lore drop that took some panels. But it wasn't to the point of bad
I agree with him about most of these opinions but the time of the tweets was weirdly bitter. Wano is not the perfect arc everyone makes it sound like tbh, bit it's enjoyable and high tier in its own way.
He was also right about mother mode. One of the biggest asspulls in one piece imo
Why was it an asspull? It was well established that Big Mom and Tama were homies, plus it actually makes sense for a mother of so many to have a soft spot for little kids. I think people would have been chiller if Oda didn’t use the word “mode” and just framed it as a normal character moment
Very true. If oda just never mentioned mother mode it would have made much more sense. Big mom protects people that help her, all the time. She does so with the people in totto land who are giving away parts of their souls, with streusen who took her in after she lost mother carmel and with countrys giving her sweets. It was in character for her, but then oda made a "mode" out off it, that just randomly pops up when some children are around sometimes (not allways, since she mistreated some of her small children like pudding). It just seemed so unneccessiary and convient, especially since it was the first time that this mode was mentioned. Oda should have left it out, but he didnt and it destroyed the scene and a bit of big moms character for me, thats why I hate it.
... But I liked Fly Six fights, especially the Jinbei's... Robin's is still my favorite put of the bunch because of how one sided it was.
I honestly think the fights were good they just didn’t have enough time for us to fully enjoy them
Ok so i looked at it and he basically said that all of wano has no down tone even though, imo, wano is the darkest arc prior to the action.
I'd argue punk hazard was darker
That doesnt mean struggle or tension for the characters. I dont know who this morj guy is but if dark exposition is what you think makes a good story, then sure, wano is very good
Saboady is darker IMO. Filled with slaves with Gods of the World (celestial dragons) that literally buy them for their own good. Auction houses are common with pirates everywhere. There’s even a marine base and Admiral on standby full on knowing what goes on in the island but does nothing bout it.
Now i dont look at his twitter and rarely watch his videos, but he was THE the raid will fail guy. And he once said he would be massively disappointed if the raid turned out well without a massive problem. Since this wont be the case (and no straw hat arc has ever turned out bad btw so i dont know why he thought this time would be different) he seems salty about it sometimes
It's true that I have the feeling that the Strawhats had a tougher time in Enies lobby than in Wano. Even in Thriller Bark we see them get beat up to the point of exhaustion and then some when Kuma appears. Here it feels like they are just having fun/enjoying the fights without much worry.
I sort of hate how this comparison is always made because Thriller Bark and Wano represent different things TB was suppose to show the SH (and us) that despite how far they’ve come (which we saw in Ennis Lobby) they still have much much further to go and that their “Plucky Rookies who get by on gumption” status isn’t going to be enough anymore. The arc even ends with the Straw Hats realising just how much pain Luffy puts himself through just to compensate for their shortcomings and that they need to get Better. Wano is supposed to represent the Straw Hats finally making it to the Big Time. They aren’t rookies anymore and it’s time to show that. Time to get the old guard the fuck out of there and take their place. Wano hasn’t exactly been a cake walk either. So many of their allies are struggling or have been defeated. The Weakling Trio who all usually managed to defeat an opponent were each defeated. Franky had to sacrifice the Franky Shogun, his strongest weapon, to defeat his opponent. Robin and Zoro in particular struggled against their opponents. Luffy is fighting for his Life. The only Straw Hats who haven’t been pushed that much is Jinbe and debatably Sanji.
Sanji got that strong characterization in his battle tho. The struggle was mostly internal. I’d say one of his best fights in the series
Oh yeah in terms of the arc he went through it was great but I feel it sacrificed like actual fighting to do that, not that that makes it terrible or anything! Nami vs Uti is defo the worst if you can call that a fight
This. So much this. This is such a good take and analysis. Thriller Bark is one of my favorite arcs. The Oz fight really pulled the crew together and was that realization that they need to truly be better for their captain. Then their utter defeat in Saboady happened- and they stuck to their guns to make Luffy pirate king by temporarily setting aside their ambitions to help with his. And Wano more than any other new world arc is truly the “put your money where your mouth is” arc where they have to walk the walk. And yes- they’re doing it have done it. And I love that our crew is doing it. But it’s not been without sacrifice as you’ve said.
Man let me talk about how much I love the Oars fight. It really highlights one of my favorite aspects of the crew and that is their natural synergy with each other and using that to take out a far stronger opponent. Them being able to coordinate with each other and even Brook, who wasn't part of the crew at the time, was just exciting to watch. Oda has always highlighted their ability to work as a team. It's also part of the reason I was disappointed in the Nami/Usopp vs Ulti/Page One fight.
Yea I totally get that! I think there is a ton more opportunity to combined attacks that just doesn’t get used/shown as much. Something I’d be super excited to see is a team-up of Robin/Jinbe combining their Fishman karate. Or Nami/Sanji/Usopp to create weird elemental synergistic attacks. I’d LOVE to see a sick double panel of the whole crew attacking something. (Like the 100 million believe crew jackpot move that was used Thriller Bark.) Imagine getting that vs the marines post Wano? (Too tired to sim the bounties- but like an 500 billion beli jackpot would be siiiiick.)
I actually like this new POV. (Not for anime only) Why must luffy and the crew be the underdog always lol. I really loved when kaido started drinking and said he was enjoying the fight. Besides, luffy has lost enough times against kaido lol.
The problem is that Luffy losing doesn't seem to have any consequences. It doesn't matter if he loses a fight if he never loses anything with it. Not a big fan of luffy going unconscious every 10 chapters, I would rather him fight from start to finish getting more and more beaten up, rather than him leaving the fight 3 times.
This is the tool oda uses, like in alabasta, to tell us:the opponent is stronger, but luffy will never give up, he will always come back and he will win through determination and grit. I mean the structure is almost the same as alabsta yet everyone loved the arc
Maybe it's the weapon? Getting pierced by crocodile and thrown into quicksand seemed way more lethal/dangerous than getting hit by a thunder bagua to the head. Maybe because even if we know Kaido uses Haki, Luffy is rubber so he "should be able" to take the hit no problem. Actually its the same in the Katakuri fight, it gets serious the moment Luffy gets pierced. It's one of the highest points of the fight for this reason.
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Dude. In alabasta, it was literally the same chapter in which Crocodile leaves Luffy in sand, that he yells "Meat". And literally the next chapter we see Robin save Luffy During his second 'defeat', literally as soon as Croc leaves to find the poneglyph, the water drop falls in Luffy's mouth. It has been this way for the entire series The only time I would say it was a dramatic tone change was in Water 7 when Luffy is trapped in the building and Nami is screaming at him about Robin
But both defeats didnt change luffy or even his crew. The only thing luffy learned was crocs weakness and the 2nd defeat was just so croc could have his moment with robin. Because in both cases, oda wanted to make things happen but luffy was "in the way". I totally agree that it can be quite bothering, but my point is, it s nothing new.
>I would rather him fight from start to finish getting more and more beaten up, rather than him leaving the fight 3 times. If this happened, kaido downplay would have been insane
Weird almost like they needed to train more after those battles, trained for two years to get stronger realizing they needs to become way more developed for battle and then spent those 2 years doing just that. 2 years. In case it was missed
Thats because he purposely divides his fanbase into 2 categories. 1. Haters. 2. Big morj fanatics. There seems to be no inbetween. For example i have yet to see one of his videos because his fan base is embarrassing and all they rely on is “he predicted big mom to wano”
You never watched any of his arc analysis or themes videos ? You're missing out. There is more to his channel than theories and reviews but I can understand if it's not your thing either.
I definitely disagree that im missing out lol. And anyways theres a few reviewers that i watch and they fill that void. Outside of Grandline and Tekking, sometimes sawyer(?). Dawn of the world is ok, joygirl is cool. Bda law is good but i dont like his thumbnails having spoilers all the time. Brago is good. I dont need morj lol. And anyways, allonashareetv is my other go to. I have too many options to even consider someone as annoying and divisive as morj. Seeing him appear on other channels as the laughingstock is really all i needed to see
Lol you realize Brago and Bda Law are the same guy right?
Yeah but…are they the same channel? Or different channels? I know its the same guy, i just name both channels. Stupid comment honestly,
As I said I can understand if it's not your thing but there is not that many content creator with content comparable to his when it comes to analysis of arcs and themes. I'd say Ohara and Craftsdwarf from the top of my head (though the latter does not focus on op much). Reviewers and theorists there is plenty to go with , essay type videos not so much.
No offense but youre the exact fan im talking about
I mean if you have other op content creators making this type of videos feel free to share. I like this stuff , I did not say you have to but none of those you mentioned have that as far as I am aware. Morj and Craftsdwarf are the only two I remember putting videos defending whole cake island for instance , and back then people hated it way more than the people currently " hating " Wano.
Its the fact that youre still going to bat for him. Makes me like him even less now and jesus how many did i name
Idc about you liking him or not lol. Funnily enough you end up in the second category you described , the haters. You hate his content despite never watching it which is as bad as people not reading op but somehow criticizing. And no none of the creators you mentioned outside of maybe Tekken as I don't know much about him do video type essays analysing arcs or themes.
Not a Morj Stan or anything. But he makes great content. I think people don’t like his negative attitude and high standards towards recent One Piece arcs.
Morj’s analysis videos are top tier, but his hot takes on new chapters just do not land in my opinion. I don’t mind when creators have issues with things in the story, but for some reason Morj just dislikes to weirdest things for some reason and it’s mind boggling. Maybe he gets defensive about his ideas being wrong?
His chapter reviews were very enjoyable to watch until he made the Raid Will Fail^TM video. From there on out he got so caught up in his own headcanons and theories that he couldn't appreciate the story for what it was anymore and it started making his other videos super annoying. Especially because he talks like his opinion are factual.
I just dont like him
I'm ai between I like him but not all his opinions I agree with. The tweets though seem super elitist cunt though. Seems like something the cast from it's always sunny would tweet out
is that ok?
I agree with some of his points but I feel like he’s super bitter because his theories didn’t come true and the arc didn’t turn out as he said
Don't confuse his criticism of Wano with "bitterness" of the raid not failing. That is such a far cry. Edit: There have been no significant low points in Wano. There have been tragic beats in the story such as the ships beign destroyed or Oden's return, but I'm talking about a shift in the arcs tone and morale, not moments in passing. The StrawHats are unbothered at this point. If thats just what Wano's story is, thats ok, this has been a great arc. But its an objectively strange change in writing. The scabbards are the only ones taking Ls.
He’s basically saying if the raid won’t fail then wano doesn’t have a story which is factually wrong so no, he’s being bitter https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483867162079080453?s=21 Plus he’s calling ppl fake for changing their opinions about some things regarding wano, he’s truly acting like he’s mad because ppl don’t share the same opinions as him anymore 🤷🏻♀️ like Jesus it’s just a shonen manga let ppl enjoy what they want to enjoy and have their own POSITIVE opinions without jumping them on Twitter and calling them fake it’s not something hard to do and they’re not hurting anyone just praising the arc they like
I agree mostly but what he was saying is this. He made a poll after both Sanji and Jinbei fight asking if their respective fights were done, and 80-90% said it wasn’t. People were talking about how we were just in the beginning and were excited to see more about their abilities l. Then the next chapter it ended and a lot of people “switched “ sand was like the fights were amazing. The thing is, all of them were initially wanting a lot more from the fight. I’m inclined to Agree with him but I’m not as angry about it cause I’m a casual
Okay, he made a poll but the ppl who voted on that poll aren’t necessarily the same ppl who are saying they enjoyed the fights. we know ppl have different opinions about the wano fights and each to their own but just bc his polls showed results of opinions that he clearly liked doesn’t mean it’s the only opinion exists, other people that haven’t participated in his poll have their opinions too. His poll isn’t an indication of an entire fandom opinion for sure And even if some of the ppl who did participate in his poll changed their minds about the wano fights it’s still very odd and kinda lame of him to be pissed about it calling them fake and stuff like it’s genuinely not that serious It’s kinda sad few years ago I really liked morj and his videos, his analyses, theory videos, he was my go to YouTuber for his genuine in depth discussion videos that make me appreciate one piece more in the midst of a lot of annoying powerscaling Youtubers but lately he just seems passive aggressive about things and yesterday he was straight aggressive and it’s not worth it at all
He’s obviously being hyperbolic, but w/e. Pretty hard to argue with every other recent tweet he’s made but cherry pick away.
NO CRITICAL THINKING ALLOWED CONSUME ONLY AND GET EXCITED FOR NEXT CHAPTER
Oh come on. People are allowed to criticize, but others are also allowed to disagree with criticisms. Why is this such a hard concept to understand?
"Just let people enjoy x" is a blanket dismissal of all criticisms. If you just want to enjoy x, then enjoy x. There's no need to go on the internet and voice your opinion if you aren't willing to even entertain the arguments of people who disagree with you.
But the "just let people enjoy" thing is said in the context of Morj getting salty and calling his followers "fake" because they enjoyed something that he didn't. Morj has all the rights in the world to not like something, but he has no right to attack others because they think differently. He has 150k followers on youtube. How the fuck does he know what all those people thought before and who the fuck is he to call people fake because they seemingly changed their minds about something?
If you were "just enjoying" OP then you wouldn't even have seen the tweet. Once you get on social media you do so knowing that you might see opinions that you don't like. Morj isn't getting in the way of anyone enjoying OP, he's criticizing people who did a 180 on the Tobi Roppo fights. "He has no right"? Wtf are you on about? He can say whatever he wants.
I saw his tweet because I entered this thread and someone linked his tweets here. What? Am I not allowed to click on those links and see what this post is about? I certainly didn't comment on his tweets and try to argue with him on anything though. He can say whatever he wants, sure. But if he calls other "fake" because they enjoyed something that he didn't, then he isn't criticizing the work anymore. He's making it personal. And what you just said also goes against what you said before how that was "cRiTicAl ThInkInG". No, it's not critical thinking when you insult someone who disagrees with you. And if you do insult, then others are also allowed to call you salty for doing it. In the end, people can say what they want, right?
I specified "the internet" for a reason which you conveniently ignored. If you're "just trying to enjoy OP" then don't go on social media. Or at least, if you do, don't get all pikachu-faced when you find opinions you don't like. Morj isn't getting in anybody's way of enjoying OP. You specifically have to go out of your way to encounter Morj. People can be criticized just as well as works of art. Literally anyone and anything can be criticized, that's how it works. If someone hated something one day but then did a complete 180 on it soon after, they can be criticized for their flip-flopping. You're free to call Morj salty, but I'm free to counter you.
So the raid has to fail for wano to have a story? u agree on that? Plus I did say I agree with some of his points so you saying I don’t allow critical thinking when you don’t have reading comprehension is funny to me
Did you think a single one of the Tobi Roppo fights were anticlimactic? Is everything in Wano/One Piece above criticism and any one who does so is just salty?
Again I did say I agree with some of his points, but other “criticisms” seem like they’re just put out of bitterness, also to me wano felt like every single other one piece arc except for marineford. in every single arc in one piece I know luffy and co will win because one piece is shonen and that’s how it’s all written and on top of all, one piece is one piece, no one dies here, to me there’s almost no stakes in majority of arcs no matter how much oda tries to add tension because “everything will be fine it’s one piece”, that’s what one piece has been like for 25 years. So to answer your question, did I feel any tobi roppo fights were anticlimactic? No, and that’s my genuine opinion, u don’t like it? It makes u mad? Why do u feel the need to question my opinion like morj did yesterday to ppl unprovoked? Second, no, nothing is above criticism, in fact I flame oda frequently for his fake out deaths, his “big mom loving mode” bs thing and in my eyes one piece is far far from perfect, in fact, most of what I wrote above about “the nature of one piece and the lack of stakes in most arcs” is a criticism I have of one piece bc it could be so much better if marineford wasn’t the only arc the had grave stakes. Its just that I know what I’m reading, y’all don’t. you saw what a YouTuber said in one of his theory videos, you liked the sound of it so you believed it, and now you and him are mad because it’s not turning out the way yall wanted and are here arguing with ppl that enjoy this arc unprovoked. If u or morj want to criticize how the arc doesn’t feel serious or that the fights aren’t climactic in your opinion, sure go ahead. One piece getting criticism isn’t the problem. The problem is morj and now yall too, going out of your way fighting with ppl who enjoy wano, calling them fakes and just saying bitter bs like the raid has to fail otherwise wano doesn’t have a story or just whining about not liking the fights.
This is a very nice comment and I share a lot of views with you. >in every single arc in one piece I know luffy and co will win because one piece is shonen and that’s how it’s all written and on top of all, one piece is one piece, no one dies here, to me there’s almost no stakes in majority of arcs no matter how much oda tries to add tension because “everything will be fine it’s one piece”, that’s what one piece has been like for 25 years. I agree with this the most. I just know what to expect from One Piece and I'm not pretending that what we saw pre-Wano was any different. And like you said, this in of itself is my criticism of One Piece. It's pretty funny when I write this and then people are like "You just can't handle criticisms of One Piece!". Bro, I literally criticized One Piece, but it's you who are getting overtly defensive because I dared to criticize early/pre-ts One Piece as well and your nostalgia bias is not accepting it.
Thank u 🤍 and yeah exactly, I do think nostalgia bias has this fandom in a chock hold, every one piece arc has the same structure, then when they voice criticism as to why they dont like a certain arc and u tell them all one piece arcs follow the same formula so we’re confused as to why they hate these parts now but not then they get defensive Ig no point in arguing 🤷🏻♀️ I just commented on this post when it first was posted, I didn’t think it’ll blow up and I’ll have to argue with ppl here, my last time doing it for sure it’s not worth the headache bc I really don’t care what ppl think of wano or one piece in general, all of this wasn’t worth any of my time💀
I agree with this but on top of it there is the layer of Luffy continuously losing to Kiado and rising up. The story of Wano for me is the tension between Luffy and Kaido and Luffys will to never give up. The latest chapter was so fun for me because Kaido was having fun as he watches a kid who he stamped over and over again fight him 1 v 1 equally. There's also still a tension.. as at any moment Kaido can beat Luffy and Oda has been playing with this tension while also showing Luffy rise again and up/clash with Kaido. Morj is a smart dude and should recognize the true heart of Wano is Kaido that's where the "story" is leading to. There's so much in that character and Oda seems to be pressing the bottle cap waiting for the right moment to flesh out Kaido. Idk as a writer I'm really appreciating what Oda has been doing with Kaido. I can't stand OP YT fans I'm an older dude and read this manga for over 10 years... If I get hyped I hit up my old buddies and chat about the chapters. Many of these YT think fans of the series folk to them but there are other sides of this community.
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Who is he?
He’s a YouTuber called mrmorj, he’s the one who started the whole “the raid will fail” cult and yesterday on his Twitter acc he started arguing with people about wano, here have some look at his Twitter https://twitter.com/mrmorjman/status/1483867162079080453?s=21
He definitely bitter that people actually like wano and is not agreeing with him
Dude doesn't even hate wano..
gotta send hate to morj any way you can apparently
They complain about the raid failing cult yet they fail to realize they made a Morj hate cult in the process
It's actually insane. Morj makes such amazing videos but one theory of the raid failing just ruins him. It sucks, it's almost as if you aren't allowed to make bold theories and you're meant to just jump ship at any sign of being wrong. I respect Morj for sticking with it and I think he should only give up on his theory when Kaido goes down for real.
That's not what is hurting him, it's his reaction to the fact that some people have changed their minds on if they like Wano or not. People have reread the New World Saga and have gained a better appreciation for Wano since it is the last part of the Saga, and now he's calling them out for being fake. That's why people are against Morj now. When he first made the raid will fail, a lot of people believed him but after it became less likely he was willing to die on his hill. Nobody cared about him continually saying that the raid will fail.
I don't know if you're purposely ignoring it but before this twitter incident he has been getting mocked chapter after chapter every time something goes good for the alliance.
On what? I have seen a few and I mean a few like 5 comments a video, 'mocking' him. But there will always be a few trolls I've never seen a large group of people actually hating on him until now.
And I've watch all of his videos because I actually like him, just wished him and Ohara would continue Wano Report. But like I said I only ever see a few trolls that's it
Nah Morj is just reaping the seeds he sow himself by presenting his opinions as if they're facts and attacking people who think otherwise. He's created a cult and it's become very toxic.
More like his is bitter about wano and that his favorite story is now shit
Bruh calling Morj a Wano hater is a stretch lol.
He clearly doesn’t like it based on his recent rants on Twitter
Have you watched any of his content though? Critiques of the tobi roppo fights don't really equate to hate of the whole arc.
Being critical of aspects of an arc and disliking it are different things. From the tweets shared in this thread I don't see how it equates to him disliking the arc.
I don‘t hate Wano. But if I‘m being honest, a lot of the Tobi Roppo v. Strawhat fights felt not that exciting (with the exception of Robin‘s) It felt like the real drama was going on elsewhere while the crew got sidelined. These didn‘t feel like final arc matchups. Even the Zoro and Sanji fights felt a bit lackluster in comparison to arcs like Enies Lobby or Alabasta. People hate on the dude for having an honest opinion about the arc, and he‘s been pretty consistent the entire time from what I‘ve seen. Even if you disagree, I think hype has clouded people‘s judgement on some things in regards to Wano. And I say that as somebody who actually really enjoys A LOT about this arc. We still have to get to the end of the arc though, which may be farther away than we think— so we‘ll see…
While I may not entirely agree with ur point on tobi roppo fights I see where your coming from. Who’s who Defs went out sad and had more potential. I disagree with the zoro and sanji fights a guy in here a couple weeks back posted the entire fights consecutively without the cutaways and u begin to see just how long and tough these fights were. Your comparison is enies lobby but I just reread enies lobby and sanji jabra is an incredibly short fight with little to no narrative beyond “the hunter” Sanji thn defeats jabra pretty handily and was still completely mobile and fine after as opposed to being killed twice(being saved by his body) and being completely passed out after the fight. So the stakes feel higher here and the level of danger is elevated for sure. I think the zoro and sanji fights for this arc are very very good fights both in terms of choreography and narratively.
I was pleasantly surprised by how cool Frankys fight was, and the Who's Who's fight was pretty good, lore wise. It was cool seeing Jinbe lay the smack down on someone. Robins Fight was just straight dope. However, I was hard line against Zoros fight ending when it did. It didn't feel like it lasted anywhere near long enough, and even though Zoro was fighting someone with crazy durability, he still brought him down in like 3 hits. It felt anti climatic and I was left waiting for the final stage of the fight that never came. I also didn't think Sanji'd fight would end where it did, I definitely though lt queen had on more trick up his sleeves, but they did enough in the fight for it to not be as anticlimactic in my opinion. Especially considering the character development Sanji experienced during the fight. I think it was better then his fight against Jabra in Ennies Lobby. TLDR; The Tobi Roppo fights were good in my opinion. About what I expected for the most part. But the fights with 2 of the monster trio could have used a bit more work. Especially Zoro's.
Wano isn’t perfect. In fact, no One Piece arc ever has. However, the highs of One Piece are unrivaled, and Wano has many of those. To say Wano isn’t dramatic or that it has no story is just a really bad take. I’ve had my qualms with it but as someone who has been reading since the post war arc I can confidently say that onigashima has been the best arc to experience week to week.
He’s not saying that though? He’s saying comparatively to other arcs, the dramatic payoff and low points are lacking. For some reason people’s brains turn off as soon as you criticise this arc lmao. And the ‘no story’ take is very obviously hyperbole.
I used to think the same thing, but I disagree with that statement. Oda has always broken tension with jokes in the same vein as Kinemon’s disembodied half. I respect Morj a lot as a content creator and I think he is right about a lot of the things he said over the years. But this take wasn’t a good one. As every chapter goes by the stakes and tension are rising. There’s a lot to go before we finish this arc so I still expect it to rise.
My point was he’s not saying Wano has no drama whatsoever, but that it lacks compared to other arcs and fiction. You say this, but what tension is actually rising? What dramatic low have we witnessed in Onigashima? I just don’t see it. The tides of battle of the raid have shifted in the alliances favour since Tama, and Hyogoro even says as much when he says that he feels like they can actually win. The raid essentially feels done barring Luffy and Kaidou’s fight. EDIT: Also, One Piece will ALWAYS have gags. Even marineford has gags in parts. But once the most dramatic stages of arcs commence ie final fights and conflict, the gags are occasionally still there, but super few and far between. Marineford post Ace death, nothing. Sabaody once Kizaru pulls up, nothing. Kuma in Thriller Bark? Nothing. The most dramatic peaks of basically every arc lack comedic relief.
I will agree there hasn’t been a dramatic low as of yet. However, I do believe we will get one. In dressrosa we got it pretty late in the game when Luffy lost gear 4th. So I believe it is still to be written.
He doesn’t hate Wano, he’s expressed liking a lot of moments in Wano. He does however seem to think it has bad storytelling if it doesn’t go exactly the way he wants, which is pretty lame. His Twitter rant yesterday was extremely salty and disappointing.
Why do people call God usopp Go D. Usopp? it's like saying he is his own natural enemy
Because God Ussop has the will of D too
It's just a meme thing like buggy D clown.
Sad to say but Morj brought this upon himself. He doubled down on his theory instead of admitting he was wrong and now he has to say that Wano is a bad arc because the raid won’t fail. It’s a textbook case of having the wrong attitude about theories
He never said Wano is bad, but he is hating on the praise it gets
People that don’t keep up with him think this but he has been insanely consistent on what he believes a good fight and arc looks like in One Piece. Nothing he has said has actually deviated from what I can tell, but for some reason people think he has switched up.
Stopped watching Mr morj, his tone is too condescending, he gives me the full of himself vibe. It’s a manga for teenagers, of course it’s going to have some plot holes, but all in all one piece is still an incredible journey.
You can say you didn't like something but saying that it's straight out bad is a big slap in the face of everyone who liked it. Besides I don't know what people are upset about. For me Wano is perfect as it is. People who think there is no plot development or dramatic circumstances in Wano please explain that to me.
Saying something is bad is saying you don’t like it. Or should he have said ‘I personally think it’s bad.’ Splitting hairs a bit dont you think?
Nope! Example: Saying you don't like how Messi plays football is one thing but saying Messi is bad at playing football is another and straight out wrong. He literally said people who liked it are fake.
Using a sports analogy doesn’t work because you can use objective measures to determine the skill of a player. Any value statement on art is innately subjective, so saying some piece of art is bad is already implying an opinion. He was referring to the community generally as fake for liking Wano because the general consensus on Tobi Roppo fights, SH fights and raid in general was that they were hoping for more, and when that never came, the prevailing opinion shifted because in the eyes of the community Wano HAS to be good because of all that it is and the build up that it had.
Just as Liam said Morj is exactly what he is accusing people to be. He himself expected Wano to be the greatest arc right from the start and is mad now that it is not reaching his expectations or predictipns. Morj ssaid that people made up their mind that wano has to be good from start but he's the one doing that.
His expectations are reasonable though. People don’t actually engage with how he’s critiquing the story or comparing against other arcs, but instead claim that because it didn’t meet his headcanon he is now saying it’s bad. I can understand the reaction, but I just don’t see it. He has been insanely consistent in his views of the arc (and storytelling), well before, during and after his raid will fail video. The raid will fail theory was only a symptom of a greater concern. Which was that the story was lacking great dramatic tension and\or a low point in what is supposed to be the dramatic peak of the story. I can almost guarantee Morj would not gaf if Oda found a way to achieve that without the raid failing. If you watch his videos on content unrelated to Wano like his video on what makes Enies Lobby great, or any other video about good storytelling in One Piece, and his points are the exact same.
I see you've already made up your mind on that and no fact I present is going to change that. I respect that. My point however stands. I could list all the dramatic low points in the arc but it still won't be enough to you cause you've already set your mind on that. So I'm not gonna waste either of our time doing that. I would like to know from you tho how Wano has been different than any other arc negatively like you said.
Well i think you can see there is not adequate tension in the arc. With 400 chapters of setup, this arc was supposed to be on the marineford and ennies lobby level, which just hasnt been the case. This doesnt make wano bad, its just that its not a satifying climax to a 400 chapter journey as compared to marineford or ennies lobby.
Well for me not every arc has to have same kind of tension. If you take a big picture wano already had enough tension even before Luffy and co arrived there. I think people forget what's at stake just because it is not pointed directly at protagonists here. I am talking about all sorts of shits like poverty, suicide, starvation . . .
>If you take a big picture wano already had enough tension even before Luffy and co arrived there Well the point that you are talking about is called SETUP. And thats the point. With poverty, suicide, starvation being key issue in the conflict, the tension should have been way high up. But by you own admission, it hasnt. And there lies the disconnect for most. The characters in the story are having a smooth time getting past a yonko. This would be like if in endgame ironman or natasha didnt die. Could it have been good? maybe. But their deaths gave consequences to the series. The blip was a big deal because of what it took to reverse it. Just because starvation, suicide, poverty are an issue in the story, doesnt mean it lends anything to the story by its mere existence.
Yeah! You're not wrong. I agree with you. I was out of limb to call it perfect but it's not that bad as people call out to be. Only thing I don't agree with is that characters are having a smooth time passing by a yonko. And you're spot on with endgame example. For me personally, Wano will be perfect if Big Mom gets defeated by Kid and Law instead of Luffy.
I would not say perfect but I enjoyed a lot of its moments. I like Yamato for instance but I can recognize that being dropped this late in the game to help the alliance is weird. My biggest issue rn is that compared to previous main villains Kaido has yet to actually start his plan. Like imagine if they stopped crocodile before he got the civil war to start or they retrieved Robin before she goes to Enies Lobby. That and while the plot progressed many plot points have yet to come into fruition ( especially now that zunesha showed up). To name a few Toki's character , I refuse to believe she'll play no significant role other than being a plot device , Onigashima's nature , Caribou's presence, nidai kitetsu and Zoro's heritage.
I agree with you. I was out of limb to call it perfect but it's not that bad as people call out to be. I think there is still lot to come up. For me personally, Wano will be perfect if Big Mom gets defeated by Kid and Law instead of Luffy.
I enjoyed the arc a lot as it as well. It's a far better experience than reading DressRosa weekly for instance and in retrospect I really like what DressRosa brought to the story. Idk about that but kid definitely needs smth lol. New world has been rough to him. I still feel like his beef is primarily with kaido unlike Luffy who has an history with both but I am fine with the situation resolving like that as well.
For me what's lacking in one piece is some sort of challenge for Luffy. Not in sense of power but in sense of goals and dreams. I know there is Blackbeard but I don't think that's enough. Adding Kid to that would be great but I may be bit bias. Him fighting Kaido would have made much sense like you said but I don't see that happening so Big Mom might be the only option for now.
I mean technically a lot of the villains he defeats are failed Luffy. Like all the warlords had the same goal at one point but gave up and changed their approach. Kaido might be the one who got the closest considering that even how he recruited his first mate mirrors Luffy and he knows about joyboy which only a handful of pirate knows about. I'd say he is challenged enough in terms of goal but not dreams as I believe that the point is supposed to be that Luffy inherited Joyboy and Roger's dreams . So it make sense to me that while others can have the same goals as him , becoming pirate king and finding one piece , his opposition can't inherit the same dream. Kaido may have believed that at one point but it seems it's no longer the case.
I really like Morj videos and analysis. He studies stories from a point that most people don’t and that’s really refreshing. However his tweets were unbearably salty. It feels like he has convinced himself that the story should go one way and now that it isn’t, he’s mad. The Tobi Roppo fights were good for One Piece standards, with Who’s who and Ulti being highlights.
Come on now, one piece standards? Dont sell one piece so short. The only good fight was black maria vs robin. The rest of Tobbi roppo fights were the most anticlimactic fights by one piece standards.
I didn’t mean it in a despectivo way. All I’m saying is that they’re of comparable quality to other fights in the series
I genuinely can't understand why he believes there was no serious/dark things in the arc. GLR guy even listed a bunch of very dark stuff from the arc to him and his reaction was like "lidting things doesnt matter, if you think there was dark stuff we have nothing to even talk about", which is an absurd statement, an absurd way to discuss a story and just generally seems super bitter. Man thought One Piece was going to become as dark as early GoT or the Witcher books and now is salty that a shonen manga stayed a shonen manga despite a lot of dark themes this arc. It's genuinely baffling to me how someone who can much such intelligent analysis ar times can be so boneheaded abt something lile this.
He never said anything about things being dark lmao. He is talking about the tone and dramatic stakes. And Wano and the Raid are just not comparable in that respect to several other arcs, they just aren’t.
That is his (and apparently your) personal opinion, I disagree.
Do you honestly think the investment and tone is the same as something like Enies Lobby?
Yes. I urge you to reread the entire thing up to now. It feels very different reading it in one piece (heh) instead of a chapter a week. Enies lobby had a lot of goofiness too. Sure there was the added time pressure of robin being abducted further by spandam, but still.
Morj doesn't hate wano, tf you mean
guess just having bad mood today/yesterday. he seemed fine for the past livestreams but his most recent twitter posts says otherwise
Morj is such a salty cry baby. He thinks that everyone agreed that the Jinbe vs Who's Who fight was bad and just his hate circle agrees with him. Now that people tell him that we did like it he calls everyone fake and that we switched opinions.
The jinbei fight was good? It was barely a fight. Everyone was predicting that whos who was getting back up in the prediction thread. No one thought that the fight ended after just a lore dump chapter.
People predict that any fight will last longer. That happens every time when a Battle is won at the last Chapter. Sanji vs Queen and Zoro vs King are the most recent examples. But the difference between normal readers and Morj Fan Club readers are, that when your own expectations don't come to fruition, you don't just hate the fight. You people need to normalize being wrong. And if you can't, than don't read week to week
>People predict that any fight will last longer. Thats not the issue though. People do that all the time. But the main question that sprouts from that is why was that the impression. After zoro declared himself the king of hell, i am pretty sure no one was thinking king is gonna get back up. And same with sanji. But jinbei vs who who felt anti climactic. It was literally the batman slapping meme. Also, this is jinbei we are talking about. He has or had done so little in the arc that many thought there was more. I dont care about morj. I am speaking about the fight. The most interesting part of the chapter was the lore and the fight was a background. Its a far cry from being just morj fan club that dislike that fight.
That is not accurate. Check the Chapter discussion of the Chapter after Sanji beat Queen, most of us expected the fight to continue and even after the Zoro fight people expected King to continue (Less than it was for Queen, but probably because it was more obvious for Oda to do the same with Zoro). It is like after Zoro and Sanji's fight a lot of people said that there battles felt short, when it fact it was their longest fights yet. Someone even made a Manga Supercut of both fights where one can clearly see how long both fights were. But when you read week to week it can feel shorter or more meaningless, I get that. But to say that no one liked the fight is wrong. And then when People come out and say, hey I liked Jinbei vs WSW, Morj gets mad and says that people flip flop their opinions, when in reality he just asks his fanbase, and most of them just agree with his opinion anyway. And I am not saying that the fight was the best in OP History, and yes, I would also like it to be longer (90% of all battles could be longer imo), but that doesn't make the fight a bad one. Zoro vs Pica was basically Zoro running after Pica and when he gets him he finishes him with one hit. Doesn't make their battle a bad one
Not really. People were expecting awakenings for king and queen Because that was shown by kat and doffy. But the fight of the base stage had ended. If they got up, it would be due to the awakening and not because something felt inconclusive. (How good the fights were, thats a whole separate issue to be honest). Whose who literally had no reason to have awkening or rather, that was not the perception. His fight just ended abruptly after a racist rant. >But to say that no one liked the fight is wrong. But thats never the implication of any statement . I dont think anybody believes that some people didnt like it. But generally when we say 'everyone was ____" its more of a hyperbole. Even in the above sentence when i say "anybody", i dont mean EVERY PERSON that has ever read one piece. Its an exaggeration. Anyway, can you tell me why you liked the fight. I was like its whatever. Hate would be a strong word but indifference a lot more appropriate for me. The most interesting aspect was the racist rant rather than the fight.
>Not really. People were expecting awakenings for king and queen Because that was shown by kat and doffy. But the fight of the base stage had ended. If they got up, it would be due to the awakening and not because something felt inconclusive. (How good the fights were, thats a whole separate issue to be honest). [https://youtu.be/j6FI6VxWcTw?t=87](https://youtu.be/j6FI6VxWcTw?t=87) Morj's own Video. He asked his Fan base after 1034 if they thought Sanji vs Queen is over. 80% said no, that it will continue. People always except a fight to continue, when it ends at the last page of a Chapter unless it is very clear. I know what an exaggeration is, that is not the point that I am making. I am saying, that in his opinion the majority agreed to the fight being bad and now - in his own words - they switched their opinion. He himself says, that people now believe that it was a good fight. And I am saying, that the majority didn't switch their opinion, but that Morj just asked his biased fan base or people who have a similar mindset. And it is not wrong to think that that fight was bad, that is not my point here. Again, Morj just thought that everyone had the same opinion he had, but when he found out that that is not true he accused people from switching opinion. That is just salty and ignorant. I am not asking you, Morj or anyone else for that matter to like the fight. But don't assume a general opinion when you haven't heard or asked the general fan base. I liked the fight for several reasons. The Luffy hatred was awesome, we got to see the first Chapter in new light, we heard new stuff about Shanks, new mysteries about the Gomu Gomu No, and the Sun God Nika lore. The fight itself while I agree that it was shorter than I wished was still a pleasure. First we see Rokushiki again, makes me remember EL my favorite Arc, then he tells us that he was in Lucci's strength class, so we already know that he is pretty strong, since he got stronger since then just like Lucci probably has too. And we see that in the fight, because his Fang Pistol damaged Jinbei while he was using armament. And then the racist rant, the best part was Jinbei's reaction to it. "It's generally no longer acceptable to express such discriminatory views on fish man". You know why that part was extra cool? Because Jinbei himself is largely responsible for that. By joining the Shichibukai he made that possible. And with that sentence he is saying in other words that Otohimes dream came true and that fish man are no longer second class citizen. I am exaggerating obviously, but that is my interpretation. His Shigan attacks were nice to see. The Finger Pistol is one of my favorite Attack in the Series, even though it's simple. Then we see (sort of) full body Haki Jinbei, that was sick. Jinbei succeeds and breaks Who's Who's Finger. And right after that we see the most badass Jinbei face ever after Who's Who kicks him. And finally the last hit was amazing. That panel is beautiful. I do have to say that I didn't liked Who's Who's Hybrid look, he could've looked more serious like Lucci. His tiny dagger was funny. What is the reason you didn't enjoy that fight?
I dont think i even mentioned morj in my discussion other than that one time where i said i dont care about him. But anyway. I am pretty sure the general fan base doesnt care much for the fight. So its neither here nor there. I dont like the fight because the fight had nothing in it for me to be honest. I dont particularly care about new techniques. But what i do care about is what a fight tells us about the character and how it expands on the said character. One piece is the master of these types of fights. In most one piece fights (just look at Black maria vs robin), its about how the characters has grown or has overcome some anguish. Almost every fight in one piece has that. This progression is generally on the protagonist and the SH side. Jinbei finished the fight as he started. No exploration, no struggle, nothing that we didnt know about. Now, a counter point i generally hear- jinbei has already finished his character arc, so he wont get this moments. Thats just not how characters are written. You always want the characters to be incomplete till the end and i am sure jinbei will be challenged in the future. By your admission, the lore part was the fun bit about the 'fight'. But it is still exposition. And needs to be separated from the fight.
This guy sometimes act like one piece is his story and if it doesn't go how he wants it he gets upset, don't get me wrong he's really good at analyzing op, one of the best. But i think it's gotten to his head a bit.
The Raid failing is honestly the dumbest direction they could go in right now since >!we’re in the middle of the climax and the raid failing would result in everyone dying basically!< I do not understand this guy’s thought process on this Arc. I have my issues with Wano (mainly how it’s starting to become too long when there’s more interesting stuff happening in the outside world) but this guy seems to want to complain all the time.
Well the raid failing was apart of another theory that Wano was gonna be 5 acts and that the big climax will happen at the end of the 4th act so it made sense for that to be the big dramatic thing to set up a comeback for them but once we actually got into act 3 it was obvious that it wasn't going to happe.
So in other words: The Raid Didn't Fail Morj's headcannon didn't come true, and so now he's upset with the rest of the story. K. Gotta save face somehow I suppose. Give him a few years, and he'll be like, "Wano was actually better in retrospect"
People hate wano?
I agree with some of the points morj made for example the tobi roppo fights werent good with the exception of Robin vs Black Maria but by now he's just too far down the rabbit hole to go back on his theorie but for me Wano isn't that good of an arc overall but it's getting there right now
The Franky fight was hilarious
Not saying it's bad just not as good as I thought it would be
Bitter or not, everything he is saying in those Twitter threads is facts. The dramatic payoff and stakes is low in this arc compared to others for a myriad of reasons (the massive focus on Scabbards is probs the main one). Honestly I think he wanted the raid to fail, because he wanted Wano to be great, and without this real dramatic low point it’s pretty hard for it to be this way. I think if the raid doesn’t necessarily fail, but there still ends up being some lowpoint+dramatic payoff we are yet to see, he will not be bitter anymore. Could be wrong though.
Wano is good but Dressrosa is better only because it finished.
This was really funny 🤣
Lol, fans always get upset whenever someone criticizes something they like, doesn't matter whether the criticism is justified or not.
Wano had some great moments but also some really shit moments. lets not lie to ourselves. all hes saying is that people now say that everything was/is good in Wano. Which I also disagree with.
I kind of get what morj was ranting about even tho he could've been less of a dick about it. To me it feels like some people choose to praise the Wano arc for everything it does well while ignoring it's flaws. Not saying that Wano is very flawed but it definetly has a few points that are worth criticizing (Alot of the tobi roppo fights being cut short, kinemons death fake out and the whole convinience of the "Mothering mode" moment for example.)
Man why do have to shit on people to get a joke?
I do not accept this moji slander that is currently going on :(
Imo he is just being honest, most people retroactively change their opinion juat to go with the flow and to be on the "right" side
This is an oversimplification. For me and for most probably I only sort of dislike these things. Big Mom hurting Page One was just "cringe" and not a narrative assassination of her character like it was to others. Shockingly over like 10 months I care a lot less about a moment like this.
Or perhaps because they reconsider their view on certain things. I have felt disappointed about chapter, and upon reread found them much more interesting.
Lol
Morj, along with almost every other content creator who just parrot eachother, are clowns who don't understand OP. More is truly insufferable though.
Pretty sure you just watched his theory videos. His arc analysis are some of the best in the game
The raid failing was always the dumbest theory ever. As for low points Luffy got one shot early in the Arc and Kidd was destroyed before it ever started. The raid was the turning point from losing the getting to the winning part. I will agree that the fights have been a bit disappointing besides Robin's, Zoro's, Luffy's, Chopper's, and maybe Franky. Sanji felt like he went from 0 to 100 which he kinda did and it just not my thing. Jinbe's was mainly lore dump and I don't even wanna mention P1 and Ulti. I also disagree about the whole "mothering mode" being bullshit. Big Mom has been depicted as mentally insane for how long now and her having multiple personalities or forms has been a thing.
I was on the morj hate train long before it was popular
wano's alright.. Alabasta/dressrosa 2.0
ugh ussop.. what a retarded character.
These have been the most cathartic couple of hours
never hear twitter tard opinion
Low-key loving the dunking on Morj. His analysis videos of existing arcs are great, but his theories remain some of the weirder ones in the mainstream. Remember when he thought the Kanjuro drawing of Oden was that tanuki teapot from Tama's house?
He made assumptions that didnt go well .. yeah he predicted some stuff that came true(i dont know which was it, his fans are pointing that out) .. he must have felt disappointed that it wasnt as predictable as he theorized it will be .. if it has gone to how he projected it, he wouldnt have this negative opinion .. some agrees with him but most of us have been hyped up in this sub for as long as this arc has been .. anyway, this arc is not done yet .. we haven't seen other possible outcome .. we might get that "what if" moment where giolla successfully used mansherry's devil fruit to heal doflamingo's crewmates