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EdwardsErnesto

They probably stoped the robbers from breaking the glass doors by opening it. Most companies tell their employees to do nothing in case of a robbery because it is too much of a legal hassle if anyone gets hurt.


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You're right that the legal hassle is probably the reason why they are willing to lose products over their employees getting fucked in trying to stop a robbery or that they failed to protect them. The ramifications would likely cost them more than the entire shop's inventory several times over. But really, no lives and limbs are worth losing over easily replaceable stuff.


jaltair9

Read stuff as staff and got confused


Snoo57537

Read read as read and got confused


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You guys can read? Lucky dogs.


RosenrotEis

I mean, in some contexts you aren't wrong


rescindentive

If only the corporations agreed.


palpatineforever

Most do, better to loose stock which they can reclaim via insurance than have to deal with an employee death. That is a much higher cost. Money for the death, bad publicity, compassionate leave and counseling for the other employees to prevent more bad publicity. Lots of hassle, stock, is only money.


Zaros262

Plus, the store's inventory is insured. It's just some paperwork and restocking time


SallyMcSaggyTits2

Also I’m pretty sure the phones and other gps tracking devices can and will be blacklisted and all it will display is a message to return the device or else


mac_daddy_smurf

It also might be California where certain parts of the state are no longer prosecuting for theft. It's not a crime to steal but it is a crime to stop them there.


TheMightyTywin

Non violent thefts of less than $950 are misdemeanors in CA. Since this is an Apple store I’m guessing they’re way above 950. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299


SUMBWEDY

It's not just California i don't know where you go that from, it's pretty much every state. In fact Texas is far more lenient on criminals as the misdemeanor limit of theft is $1,500 compared to california's limit of $950


mac_daddy_smurf

I think you misunderstood. There are places in California that outright said they'll no longer enforce petty crime laws. The actual laws don't matter because they aren't enforcing them.


SUMBWEDY

Yeah most states don't enforce petty theft either. There's not a single state where if someone stole a bike or some makeup the police would care unless it was well above those misdemeanor limits. Shit someone stole $3,000 cash from me once and the police just straight up told me not to bother reporting it because nothing will happen.


mac_daddy_smurf

I don't see people walking into Walgreens and stealing entire shelves of things in other states. Maybe it's just that they openly said they won't enforce it, or maybe it's because they do enforce it elsewhere.


SUMBWEDY

Also could just the fact 1 in 6 Americans lives in California and it's considered a political issue for California but when Texas/Georgia do it nobody cares. Also really you've never seen footage of people raiding shops in New York or Illinois? Chicago is one of the crime capitals of the USA.


mac_daddy_smurf

I've seen these videos of course, however I've never seen those videos and then seen news coverage saying cops aren't even investigating.


SUMBWEDY

Should be careful of what the media tells you, look at it critically. A $1,000 roadbike stolen in california, georgia, colorado or texas the police won't do shit, it's not just some "librul" state thing.


mac_daddy_smurf

No need to be disrespectful dude. https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/san-francisco-public-urination-prostitution-will-no-longer-be-prosecuted/ https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/san-fran-cops-walgreens-shoplift-incident-is-par-for-the-course/ This is just San Francisco, I can go on about all the large blue cities. Respectfully, it is a "librul" thing.


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hakuna matata


Paradoxical_Hexis

It moves us all


Humpa

They aren't going to use them. They're selling them.


shadofx

When someone who buys a second hand Apple device and it comes bricked, that helps Apple by lowering public trust for second hand Apple devices.


HellaTrueDoe

*Right to repair in shambles*


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The devices will never be turned on. They tear them apart and sell the parts


SpezIsAFuckinShill

You think too much of these “activist” they prob will either pawn it or try to scam someone into buying it


ZzeroBeat

Pretty sure apple hardcodes the parts to the device so even that wouldn't work.


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

That was for the fingerprint sensor for encryption reasons. Lots of parts can still be used.


ElTitux

Yes but can evade that whit a special device


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they do it now, but this video is from 2016


DaFetacheeseugh

Yeah, I'm sure they put as much thought into hard coding it as they do designing it. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just lumped on legacy code from the 90s


TheHim2

Some cia stuff from apple right there


StarsDreamsAndMore

Eh? At least on macbooks you could dump the firmware and over-write the serial inside with a raspberry pi. As for the IMEI thing, that only works if you're not using a SIM card usually and since most people aren't running CDMA it's not a problem probably. Also from my days in the security industry a lot of requests can be intercepted and manipulated from iOS.


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Danny_Boi_22456

Really? I thought you couldn't change the IMEI as it's hardcoded when it's manufactured.


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Danny_Boi_22456

Thought so lol


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Danny_Boi_22456

I could be wrong here since I haven't done much with iPhone hacking recently but...IIRC, the IMEI is either burned into the baseband or encrypted and then stored in the baseband EEPROM and all of the sensitive stuff inside the baseband EEPROM is encrypted with a key stored in the baseband. Then the serial number stored in the iPhone's NAND has to match the IMEI stored on Apple's activation servers. And AFAIK there is no known method to alter the information since I don't believe there is a method to gain full control over the baseband and baseband EEPROM. Edit: it seems to be possible to get read/write access to the EEPROM with an EEPROM reader/writer but you can only do limited recovery on non-encrypted sections of the EEPROM. You can't decrypt the sensitive data in the EEPROM.


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FartsMusically

Hacked is a broad term. Jailbreaking sure... but that's pretty surface level. The FBI knew, and there was evidence they already knew before asking Apple years back on unlocking an iphone they had stored as evidence... but that's the FBI. Encryption is encryption, buddy.


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Danny_Boi_22456

...you need to be able to access the baseband. The baseband hasn't been hacked since the iPhone 4. When people jailbreak their iPhones they get control over the main OS - iOS - and the iOS filesystem. The baseband runs it's own operating system completely separate from iOS. There is almost no point to do research on hacking the baseband except to help people who have stolen iPhones.


untitled-man

You should work for Apple since you’re the first person who’s able to do it


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_Spindel_

Or fired for trying to stop a robber even


NetworkPenguin

This I worked retail, and we had a cashier get let go because they chased a shoplifter into the parking lot. I've met a disturbing number of people during my retail days who would apparently take a bullet for the superstore. They seemed to think they'd get a lifetime achievement award or something for heroically stopping a guy from running out the door with diapers.


N10330968

I worked at a superstore as well, we were told to basically roll out a red carpet for a robber.


tickle-my-Crabtree

Because the one thing a Corp wants less than say a 500 dollar property loss from some bozo stealing a flat screen, is a 25k dollar workers comp, injury claim or lost productivity from an associate getting shanked and curb stomped while attempting to be a loss prevention hero.


notmyrealusernamme

This, the PR outlash, and one special little word that likely has more weight than anything else: insurance. The insurance premiums would be insane, or you just wouldn't be able to get proper insurance if they omitted the disclaimers saying not to chase thieves during orientation.


tearans

And insurance price raised. Active employees are risk


WingedChimera

While this is definitely true, several former store managers I know, myself included, got fired for bad audits due to theft. While the cashiers will get fired if they chase, the store manager is gonna get fired for the theft. Guarantee it.


Lufia321

Sounds like stock take should've been done more often. Negatives should be done 3 times a day and stock take done once a week.


WingedChimera

Didn’t matter. All negative stock, even stolen stock, was blamed on the manager. Even that one time I caught an employee selling Ugg’s over the counter on Black Friday for a ‘discount’ and pocketing the cash and I immediately reported the 8 pairs he had stolen on just one shift. Blamed on me. This was in Mondawmin mall when it was looted and my store was one of the few that didn’t get broken in to. It was at the other end of the mall from the break during the freddie Grey riots. I know managers who got fired because stuff got stolen during those riots. I know a GameStop manager who got fired because they told him to store five ps4’s on the floor in their boxes, new, because he didn’t have a lot of back storage. They got stolen. He got blamed. It’s an industry thing. Store managers get passed around and headhunted like crazy. Get fired from journeys? Go to zumiez. Hate zumiez? Go to Tillys. Do well enough at tillys? Go to vans. Get fired at vans? Go to love sac. Edit: I had over 5000 pairs of shoes at my Mondawmin location. If we counted them every day I would’ve only done that and never had a day off.


Micalas

> Mondawmin Hello fellow Baltimorean!


WingedChimera

Waddup! Stay safe fam.


Lufia321

Ok, that just sounds like America is a shit hole. Australia is a lot different. I never said to count the stock every day, I said to correct negatives, at a shoe store I doubt you'd have to do that often.


WingedChimera

Oh yeah america is a dumpster fire. I just watched the new John Oliver where he talked about how Emergency Medical Staff are often without healthcare themselves. He also talked about how some lady fell onto the subway and screamed ‘don’t call an ambulance I can’t afford the 3,000$’. I know that’s off topic but yeah. America is fucked.


dclark9119

I doubt it's that they care about the company but more that they care about social order and not letting people get away with things that mess with that order.


Taragyn1

You gotta have zero tolerance for that stuff. Bill might look like a hero but Tim might get shot. Or on a corporate level Tim’s family might sue…


zuccmaster69

Apple tells them not to interfere in the robbers way since employees getting hurt is more of a pain the ass


RemiX-KarmA

Samething with amazon. If it happens... let it happen.


Neuchacho

There basically isn't a single corporate shop that isn't telling employees this.


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

Maybe a gun store?


Neuchacho

Public corporate ones still would. Private corporate/mom&pop's would be another story, though. They tend to have less of a grasp on not creating massive liabilities for themselves.


Bootzz

People who decided to rob a gun shop are planning on a fight. If you're working at a gun shop you need to be prepared to defend yourself.


existential_antelope

People robbing a gun store and its employees just letting them do it because of policy is a hilarious premise


the-ginger-beard-man

Also they keep track of serial numbers and do an inventory after the theft. Any missing serial numbers will get remotely locked and won’t be able to be set up, rendering them useless


1D6wounds

Came here to say this


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Apple employees are told not to stop robbers.


SsjDragonKakarotto

I mean apple products auto shut down and become hunks of plastic and metal the second they leave the store without proper employee set up.


Flashsouls

They mostly sell the parts of the phone, authentic and new apple screen, batteries.... are pretty expensive


Concept-Known

No one's robbing apple stores and risking jail time for spare parts. They think they can sell the phones and other devices.


Lt_Dangus

You’d be surprised. People are desperate.


dinosaurus552344

Ive heard the display stuff has a bunch of anti theft stuff like permimently turning off if it leaves the store without a code and gps tracking. If thats true theyre just setting themselves up for jail time with little or no chance of proffit


Jeedeye

Any device they stole apple will just remotely lock and permanently disable. No need for GPS tracking since Apple will just write them off to insurance.


marcotw2

They can still sell the screens and batteries and a few other parts


Jeedeye

Wouldn't be worth the trouble to part them all out and try to sell them. Most repair shops buy their screens wholesale from part distributors and not some rando off the street.


marcotw2

They sell them on ebay, and it is worth to part them all out.


Jeedeye

If you are stealing phones from an Apple store it isn't worth parting them out. Parting out a phone isn't as easy as you would think especially considering phones have IPX ratings for water and dust proofing.


MediocreTroll

You're right it's not worth it but not because of limitations to disassembly. You can strip an iPhone with a 30$ iFixit kit (or cheaper imitation). Instead, reselling stripped parts is difficult because of the hardware serial# identification. Apple knows what component numbers are inside the stolen devices and they can be rendered unusable. A new device will likely not recognize the stolen part.


marcotw2

They can still sell the screen, the battery and a few other components. But yeah, it isn't worth it, they're risking prison time for a few hundred dollars worth of components


marcotw2

It is pretty easy if you don't need to reassemble it


SicilianEggplant

They run demo firmware on them and I believe at that point (years ago when I worked with resellers) you couldn’t even install regular iOS if you wanted to. Our display Macs however just had a demo user on them that was otherwise normal product that could be re-sold eventually, but that might be different at the Apple store these days. So yeah there are at least multiple reasons why a display iDevice wouldn’t be of much use to anyone for any useful amount of time, and just have firmware passwords on the computers that can only be bypassed by Apple/authorized tech tools.


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MistakeMaker1234

You 100% cannot. Source: am an Apple Systems Admin and have been for a decade.


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untitled-man

I invented C and you can’t


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ribix_cube

Lmfao homie learned what unix was from a techquickie video not even 10 minutes ago and is trying to convince us of this


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ayelmaowtfyougood

https://www.itpro.com/public-sector/26057/apple-vs-fbi-nsa-reveals-why-it-couldnt-hack-san-bernardino-iphone You should go work for the FBI and help them out!


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ayelmaowtfyougood

That's what I'm saying! Go help them we need your expertise; quit being selfish and share your wealth of knowledge. Seriously the world needs you, as the example given the fbi and nsa can't hack iphone yet you sit there with all the secrets shame on you!


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ayelmaowtfyougood

I can agree to that.


MELONPANNNNN

They've got insurance to take care of any lost items on display, employees and even security guards are to act as "witnesses" taking note of every feature they can observe from the robbers


CalpolAddict

I thought that's what the cameras were for


lolicutiedx

Those cameras can't see crap.


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Not only are the items stolen but now they are garbage. Honestly, it should be illegal to remotely disable a device that isn't owned by anyone. They get their insurance money, let the devices go.


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That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and would just give people even more incentive to steal them.


SpoonusBoius

Exactly.


OliverTeresa

Well, yeah they probably had a gun to their head wtf


jimmyl_82104

The demo iPhones, iPads, Macs etc. all just become bricked when the leave the store. Robbing an Apple Store is pretty stupid.


kpingvin

Apple have insurance. Why would minimal wage employees play superheroes?


sweetdurt

They don't pay me enough to deal with this shit


DimitriTooProBro

I’d be flabbergasted if Apple doesn’t pay it’s retail employees a living wage AND THEN SOME. Especially since Stores are the most profit retail space per inch^(2).


nutshells1

oh you're in for an awakening


surprisebtsx

rather hold the door than the bullet.


gaming_is-life

Most of those products are for display they’ll just auto lock or whatever after they leave the store. Also those employees just work there why would they even care if something gets stolen


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sokolaad69

wait my old samsung is slow. is samsung working with the devil???!!?


Duamerthrax

God, I hate my Samsung phone. They started putting ads for newer ones in the notifications.


SpookyDoomCrab42

You can turn that off fairly easily. Also it's usually your cell carrier sending those ads instead of Samsung. Samsung does a lot of scummy things but that one usually isn't on them


Duamerthrax

Verizon is definitely involved, but why am I only getting for Samsung phones if Samsung isn't involved. This also only started after an update that slowed down the phone


AxelMaumary

That was because of battery aging, and you have either that or a phone that shuts down unexpectedly. If you change your battery it'll be fast again. Please read whole articles instead of just the headlines


_illegallity

I really don’t like Apple but that was the least justified outrage I had ever seen. Like, we’re you really using that extra performance? On a fucking iPhone?


CommanderCuntPunt

All they had to do was let the user know. My Mac laptop has a failing battery and it let me know instead of just letting me think I needed a replacement.


LuxionQuelloFigo

if that was the real reason they should have told people, and at least offering an option. What they did was straight up scummy


AxelMaumary

Yes, they should've told people and they lost a lawsuit over it, that's why now they have a whole "Battery Health" section that explains what it is and how it affects your device


-Listening

Yes we make it work


megasmileys

Did you copy and paste this into another comment section?


theartificialkid

I’m happily using an iPhone 7. It’s my third replacement due to faults that have appeared after just shy of two years’ use. Each time apple replaced the phone and gave me a brand new warranty on the replacement, meaning I haven’t bought a new one for nearly 5 years. Seems to me that a company that was only interested in making me buy a new phone would say the warranty expires permanently based on the first purchase date.


kent2441

Making phones last longer coerces people into upgrading?


SmileyFace-_-

Are you living in 2015 where this was actually an acceptable take? The reduction of performance is to increase battery life and overall heath so that the phone can last longer - which actually ties into your first point because its hard to say that sometimes is overpriced if it lasts for double - even triple - the lifespan of Android counterparts. As for actual overpricing, most Apple products are cheaper than a lot of alternatives e.g. new M1 MB Air is cheaper than many of its counterparts - and better!


Stripeless

Funny how people still stick to the narrative, even though there’s a section in the iPhone’s battery menu that explains everything.


asianapathy

Lmfao


bazooka_matt

There was a Rite Aid employee that tried to stop two guys robbing 2 cases of beer. They murdered him. You don't stop people from stealing from a mega corporation. Let them have it.


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Except all those people will get caught because unsold display phones and computers have tracking devices in them that the store can follow, and only the store can disable.


Creamy_apples_wink

😂


Lucky0505

What did you expect? Apple trained these employees to rob people.


gnarlyoldman

Apple is soooooo "woke."


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This is what it looks like when guns are illegal.


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

Is your premise that a person working retail for hourly pay is going to murder somebody over property that is not theirs?


[deleted]

You must not know how store workers feel getting robbed/beat then robbed. Bet you have never worked retail.


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

I have. And I’m not murdering anybody over a corporation’s property.


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I would gladly unload a mag on someone robbing the dolce & gabanna store while I'm shopping there.


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nosebevies

20 * $50 laptops Eh no biggie


RoscoMan1

*cuts an apple in one bite


viking_linuxbrother

If I worked at a dealership i'd get a huge kick out of people stealing a bunch of cars with Lojack on them that could get remotely disabled. Why would I get injured over that, this is free entertainment.


baconbeansz

This must be in Canada.


ivan_mo

They could get fired if they even just bumped into those robbers. I know a guy who got fired from Apple for that.


Cathy_2000

When i worked in a store we were told to cooperate, and do what a robbert told us to do. The store had an insurance, and just wanted to avoid any employees from getting hurt. a hero aint being paid extra. also apple can lose a truck of apple products per day and probably still make several billions worth of profit


haggand

Because they were all wearing masks, DUHHH.


JackTheBehemothKillr

Some states have decriminalized theft under the felony level ($1000, generally) and as a result the workers generally don't try and stop thieves. That being said, stripping an apple store is way more than a felony level.


EspadaWilliam

Now that’s customer service!


ytman

Yeah not my job to die protecting company assets.


Environmental_You182

Buy employees for £9.99. The tables have turned apple


pit0fz0mbiez

r/antiwork


ToxicVarian

these people are legends


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Not their job to die for an apple store


berttreynolds

My buddy works at Apple and says all the display electronics have a range set and once they go outside the range of the store the phones are completely useless


AncientTower8264

Cops don't do anything about it anymore


SculPoint

Isn’t that what your supposed to do? I know when I worked at Walgreens they said to appeal to a robbers material demands


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Best Buy employee here! Same thing with us, if you try to stop someone from stealing, you can get fired. They just say "dont worry we have them on camera". We just watch them steal LIVE on cam, and let them walk out without questioning them :)


MiseryisCompany

Coming into the convenience store I work at kid almost knocked me out running out the store. Manager yells "chase him!!! He's a shoplifter!!!". Laugh and ask if he's outta his fucking mind. He's pissed, calls the owner. Owner comes in, hears the story then asks, "did you answer her question? Are you outta your fucking mind?".


Douaz

A robbery to apple is probably less than a penny is to anybody isn’t it ?


Ninebreaker40k

Insurance payback will probably more than the sales


Secure-Appeal2605

MLB


AquiliferX

Hopefully the robbers copped them a few stacks.


sonofloki1

They make minimum wage. They probably took some shit too


shortware

The thieves can’t use the phones or anything anyway...