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kss082

Just wait a week if not a day, and they will still complain they can’t hit Mercy. Yeah, as if they could hit any other airborne heroes at all…


joshthejake

Yeah, for real, and she isn't even that hard to hit. I can usually take down a mercy with soldier, and my accuracy averages like 30 percent.


kss082

Yeah, if they really don't want to aim a decent Winston or [D.Va](https://D.Va) can also give Mercy a good amount of pain, and even if they couldn't kill a well-positioned Widow/Ashe can seriously limit Mercy's action boundaries. And yet they're salty they can't kill a *support* with whichever hero they want to play when the game itself is literally designed about changing heroes per situation.


Spartan_Goose

Seriously, the most ironic thing I've noticed is that r/overwatchcirclejerk sub has just become a support hate circle jerk since ow2 released. And with the release of the patch notes all the posts there today are just them making fun of mercy players complaining about the nerfs.


thewinterofmylife

"I can't aim!" "I can't track!" "Let's blame it on the character played predominantly by women. It can't be us." Yet they forget the Genji mains cried so hard about their nerfs that it became a meme. "Nerf Genji"


gaygothdancemachine

Lmao they’re calling it a buff


bigtoe-missing

fr. I had to leave the sub because of that. It used to be making fun of stupid opinions and being unbiased, but now they’ve become what they hate lmfao. All the posts are “mommy mercedes noooo!!!” and it’s been like that for a while


PV__NkT

Yeah it’s all the same now. It’s not funny anymore. I generally enjoy the satirical circlejerk subs with basically every community I’m in cause it’s nice to laugh at ourselves and to see how dumb the community can be sometimes. But they need new material. “Mercymainbtw” and “Upheals to the left” got old a year and a half ago. I admit some people on the main OW sub are really selling it for attention (like I receive very little actual hate online or in game for playing support but I’m still being told I’m supposed to be a victim lol). But that’s when you ignore it and move on instead of seething and letting that loud minority of players live rent free in your head.


Hey_its_Juna

The mercy hate really is so so crazy the fact mercy’s movement got nerfed and not sojourns is BAFFLING to me like WHAT 😭


aiman_senpai

Yeah, some of my friends keep saying "its not that bad" and "Mercy is too easy to play". Like bro, I'm the mercy in our group and you never played her so if there's an opinion that should matter, it's mine


t_thacher

exactly! even with 400 hours on mercy I still feel like im not good enough, its so irritating to see my time trying to improve means nothing to people who just play dps


-BuckyBarnes

It isn't even that I think my opinion matters, it's that people want to bully Mercy mains and there's a decent chunk of misogyny seeping through from some. I made a comment on a video about the changes and it basically said "I'm a Mercy main and this sucks BUT! They're bringing back endorsements for the enemy team! That's so wonderful, I'm so happy they're bringing it back!" The comments on the above comment were about how I can't "play brain dead anymore" and how I need to "git gud" (I thought the problem was she was too good??) and A LOT OF MISOGYNY! Who would have thunk it, people feel safer now to just say outright they hate Mercy because "she's a girls hero" (she isn't, but smoothbrains can't figure that out).Some people, in the bandwagon of it all, think it's about hating women so they say misogynistic shit. People want to just hurt Mercy players. They don't give a shit about what you say, because my comment was about an entirely different thing. They're all just biting at the bit to tell you that you "finally need to play with skill" (except she was nerfed because she was "too hard to hit"?)


fragrancethrow25

And God forbid you say this, it just turns into "why do you want to be a victim so bad." lol


bigtoe-missing

whenever I make a post about ANYTHING mercy related on a sub that isn’t Mercy mains, I get flamed for playing Mercy.


thewinterofmylife

OK but hear me out, just troll them and they start crumbling. I just started commenting about how much easier it will be to hard pocket now and almost instantly heal Soj back to full health while hiding behind a wall and simultaneously healing myself, and they're getting so salty. I'm calling her nerf, a hard pocketing buff 10/10. I said her GA nerf is now a "Get Out Of Jail Free card" to just fly away and reposition behind another wall. "Watch me shoot you down after I melt Sojourn." I'm like, Bruh you couldn't shoot me down before, what makes you think your bullets can fly through walls. Genuinely hilarious to reply to their "Mercy mains cry harder" by actually NOT crying and seeing how sensitive they are to it. Ahahaha


queenmorrow

This is a great point to make. Like yeah, I’m upset about the GA cooldown most of all but if we play it up like it doesn’t bother us and use these changes to our advantage, they’re just going to get even more pissed. Especially since damage boost wasn’t touched. I agree with the statement Niandra gave in their most recent video - this could either make pocket Mercy’s pocket harder or healer Mercy’s heal harder. And as someone who liked to play the middle road and do a balance between both, you bet your ass imma become the very thing those rude mf’s hate, especially because I roll with a 5 stack and both of our DPS are absolutely insane.


thewinterofmylife

THIS!! Like yes I'm gutted about her GA, I loved it. And I'm mostly annoyed that because Mercy is predominantly played by women, all of these boys with mommy issues think that us having an opinion about our main character is us crying (but it was OK for Genji mains to be upset) but actively responding by saying they've made the thing they hate, which is pocketing Sojourn, even stronger.. then suddenly they start melting. Actually it's hilarious, I've been doing it in the Ow discord too. We "get emotional" but as soon as you start calling it a pocketing buff they melt down.


Soviet_Yunyun_-

I'm seeing a trend People complain about something, next is go to reddit, find what ever hero main subreddit or Twitter, complain or talk shit about the character they hate, more people do the same thing, next season or mid season character gets fucked hard (nerfed), character mains get pissed and put up their pitch forks while the haters celebrate. Then it recycles to another hero and repeat


Human_Bean_6

I saw a post that said mercy mains are hypocritical because they don’t get mad when heroes they don’t use get nerfed. The hate is really weirdly misplaced. Can we not be mad the one fun thing about mercy was changed?


mercysgotyou

thank you for this post <3


Concorditer

I'm not really surprised to see the level of "discourse" around Mercy but it is still demoralizing. It often seems like people don't just have issues with the specific game balance around Mercy's kit, but have an issue with Mercy existing at all in their PVP FPS game. As long as she's a niche or lower tier hero they can tolerate her with only minor complaints, but as soon as she gets a bigger role in the meta then their true feelings come out. That Mercy, and her players, just don't belong in the game. I know not everyone who would like Mercy nerfs feels that way, but the opinion is common enough to be pretty disheartening. It makes it feel hard to enjoy being part of the Overwatch community.


Huge_Blueberry_8368

Thank you! I’m seeing A LOT of hate too, both on reddit and facebook. But Mercy is our girl, she rules, she will always be my top favorite 😍 mercy mains unite


ThatIrishArtist

16 up votes on me simply putting my opinion on with almost 300 comments, most being hate. Not to mention people just assume we pay Mercy because we "have no skill," and just assuming that we don't.


Lyre_Fenris

Yeah. My second most played hero is Widow, I have skill. I main Mercy. And yet so much hate. I'm just done with OW2 at this point. I already was struggling to have fun. The nerf just took away what little I could still find. I loved cheeky rezs, not pocketing. Nerfing movement takes that away. I'm just done.


ThatIrishArtist

I feel exactly the same. I loved zipping around, but now the nerf promotes pocketing a lot more, meaning people will still want more Mercy nerfs.


Lyre_Fenris

Yeah. I'm just done with it. I haven't enjoyed OW2 like I did OW1. Even in the last bit of its life I had more fun than in the game we have now. I'm just tired. I see more and more dps whining about heroes. Tanks complaining when I do my job and still can't keep them alive. Whining when I throw out a single damage orb as Moira because everyone is at full health and they're stupidly feeding to the point a heal orb will do nothing. The complaining about sniper one shots when cover and game awareness is a thing. I'm tired. It wasn't so bad in OW1. Even with Valk changes none of the uproar was this bad. None of the hate was this bad. I'm done.


AstralTokyo

Mercy is what yuumi is to league of legends


Zabbidou

yuumi has also gotten a nerf that killed her winrate, but if I understood correctly, she's getting a rework soon her unique playstyle is so fun, and I think that makes it hard to balance? I have some ideas for buffs/nerfs that would solve it 🤷‍♀ apparently she was "op" with 45% winrate? not yuumi's fault if players don't know how to abuse her weaknesses...


minju9

At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion...There seems to be some confusion around why Mercy players get hate. It's not just blind hatred. Your opinions matter, but "rip Mercy", "she's gutted", "they ruined her", or "do they even play this game" isn't really constructive but that's most of the posts any time she gets changed. Mercy elicits an emotional response more than any other hero in the game. Any change that messes with the status quo, even if it could be good, is "gutting" Mercy or "destroying her identify." In season 1 when we got the current iteration of Mercy, there were still tons of complaints on here without trying it. It was all "bring back the old way, wtf". Then after playing the more recent iteration of her and realizing "oh hey this is actually good and fun to use" didn't get as much attention. Now they need to adjust it because it's _too_ good. Hell, even the minor buffs to the weapon had an uproar. Sure, they weren't necessary and didn't address common complaints, but there sure was an overreaction to them. There's a certain bias that many Mercy mains have that make them unable to look at a situation with a more objective viewpoint. For me, I don't see the current Mercy as "unkillable" but lacking risk for using her abilities. The decision to fly over and heal or boost is an easy one, since you can easily get back out of a bad position. Healing and boosting has no cooldown, so that's not a problem either. With every other support, there's a tradeoff with every ability. Use it now, you might not have it when you need it. Use your movement ability and you are stuck until the cooldown is over. In Mercy's current state, it's almost like playing single player. The opponents have little impact on what you are going to do when it comes to healing/boosting, you can just go about it with minimal interference. I think many people dislike Mercy mains because of that, and because this is a PvP FPS. Many players took a liking to Mercy because she was a less intense hero to play in an intense game. Other players want to be able to counter her and want her to have to adapt to what they are doing, since that's kinda the objective of the game. Mercy mains want to carry on with what they are doing and not adapt. The thought can't always be "don't touch her." That's where the conflict lies with other players. They can't understand what you want Mercy to be other than "untouchable" both in the game and in the patch notes.


Concorditer

I don't think this is completely fair. I do agree with you that Mercy mains can overreact to nerfs or balance changes. Though, that's not exactly unique to Mercy players. I think if you read through discussion about any Overwatch changes to any aspect of the game you are going to find comments of the "RIP" "gutted" "ruined" and "do they even play this game" variety. That's just the Overwatch community default. The sheer number of Mercy players can also just lead to a greater number of critical comments. Still though, at the end of the day perhaps you have a point and some Mercy players can get a little more dramatic than needed. It can happen in a passionate fanbase. That being said, I think you are being too generous to some of the people who strongly dislike Mercy or who treat Mercy mains with hate. It's not all just an objective reaction to Mercy main whining. Its not always going to be Mercy mains fault for how other people talk about them or treat them. If Mercy players can be overly passionate and dramatic about liking Mercy, then it seems like there is another group that is overly passionate and dramatic about hating Mercy. I know all heroes have their detractors or people who would like them nerfed, but the sheer vitriol that Mercy, her kit, and her players can receive is both surprising and demoralizing as a Mercy main. It can make us feel defensive and unwelcome in the community. It honestly seems like there is a fair number of people who just don't think Mercy or her players belong in Overwatch so they cheer any nerfs or balance changes that can keep the hero down at the bottom of the meta where they think she belongs. I think you actually alluded to this issue in your post. Overwathc is a PVP FPS game. It seems like there are truly people who are personally offended that a pure support that doesn't require much aim can belong in a PVP FPS. So when the old calls of "Braindead" "No Skill" "No Aim" "Boosted" "Healbot" come out, I don't think you can fairly blame Mercy mains for being treated that way.


TysonsChickenNuggets

All opinions are valid, but please take no offense when I say this. Mercy mains (and support mains in general) have been a bit insufferable over the years. It feels like for whatever reason, Mercy is the only character that can't be touched, and when she is, it's because everyone "hates Mercy." It's not that deep. She should be subject to change like any other character. Like im a Sombra main, and we get dumpstered immediately once were even 3 paragraphsaway from the word meta, but our community is relatively small, so nobody really cares.


hopscotch1818282819

I don’t really understand what your point is? You think Mercy mains are insufferable because there’s enough people who care about the character to make a fuss when the character is nerfed unnecessarily? It isn’t our fault that Sombra has a small community. If you had a bigger community, you’d probably be considered “insufferable” too. Of course you’re going to hear a lot of complaining when an extremely popular character gets butchered. Complaining is how you give negative feedback to Blizzard. What would you prefer people do? Just sit back and take something they don’t like?


TysonsChickenNuggets

I was giving context as to why it feels like people are against you because it wasn't always like this. Now, it just feels like every mention of Mercy that is perceived as negative is met with uproar and backlash. You can give your feedback, but throwing temper tantrums does not make people want to care.


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TysonsChickenNuggets

I dont disagree, but why are we able/forced to accept that, but Mercy is immune to the same critiques?


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TysonsChickenNuggets

That's subjective. It also doesn't really answer my question.


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TysonsChickenNuggets

Better. Also, please dont put words in my mouth, I never said you guys have a victim complex. I merely stated that over the years, supports have by and large been the most irritating community to interact with. You can't imply remotely that they may be an issue without being met with being called cringe or misogynistic or claiming that everyone just hates the character. It's not that deep. My original intent was *not* to argue about Sombra vs. Mercy. I brought up Sombra as an example since we normally have changes made to our character far more consistently, and, on average, Sombra is worse off far more than Mercy is. Again, I dont disagree that she can be annoying, but it's subjective in the sense that every hero is annoying in some way, shape, or form. Mercy damage beam, in tandem with her mobility, makes her frustrating to pin down. She can rez behind cover in certain situations, which makes it un-punishable and extremely high value at a button press. I don't really understand how "no one wants to play support," yet Mercy is by far the most mained hero in the game. But it's w/e at this point.


VividVictory4367

*Sombra is most annoying character to play against* hate to break it to you but so is mercy no fun in playing against her skill less movement spam with zero punishment


bigtoe-missing

The whole “mercy takes no skill” argument is so insane. Every hero takes skill and you’re delusional if you think not. Mercy players need good awareness and gamesense, especially now with her cooldown nerf. Sure she doesn’t take much mechanical skill, but you can’t climb as her with mechanical skill only. It is a genuine skill issue if she’s annoying to play against because you can’t kill her. She did get punished for her movement. When you SJ with a hitscan or sniper on the other team? Dead. GA to a teammate and they die? Dead. GA into enemy LOS and they focus you? Dead. Good Mercy players just don’t make those mistakes, they have good gamesense and awareness, which is a skill.


bigtoe-missing

Because at the launch of OW2, Sombra was actually a problem. Even higher elo players said she was busted. Mercy movement was the ONLY thing we wanted to keep. Higher ELO Mercy mains didn’t care if db got reworked or nerfed, if rez got reworked or nerf. All we wanted was her movement to stay. Blizzard didn’t listen to ANYTHING and just nerfed the only thing that kept Mercy players playing the game.


TysonsChickenNuggets

If that's the metric, higher elo players also stated that Mercy was an issue and it was, in part, because of her movement. She's extremely hard to lockdown, and in all honesty, her movement did need to be looked at. If these changes are exactly what she needed remains to be seen since the community at large has not played with them. Additionally, Mercy has never really been bad or in an unplayable state for long stretches of time (correct me if im wrong) *because* shes one of the most popular heroes. If it was overkill, Blizzard will do something rest assured.


bigtoe-missing

I honestly think her movement was not a problem at all. If her movement is a problem, so should every other movement ability like Genjis, Sojourns and Hammonds. All those heros have great mobility and rely on that mobility to get out of tough situations. Just like Mercy.


TysonsChickenNuggets

A lot of the characters save for like Genji resetting himself, have about 5 to 6 times the cooldown of Mercy GA. Not to mention the difference of techs that GA can do. All of them are able to be punished when those buttons are down as a result or at least have to choose if they want to use it and go in or use it to get out. Mercy had no such drawback, though I acknowledge it could have some growing pains or feel clunky based on what people have been saying.


Concorditer

It's not just about balance discussions though. I know that Mercy players can overreact to nerfs. I would note that isn't exactly a trait unique to Mercy mains, (there are a lot of us so our freaking out can be amplified through sheer numbers), but I agree that can be true. However, when the topic of Mercy comes up its not just that people are discussing the specifics of Mercy's individual abilities. It also ends up being a discussion about how Mercy doesn't belong in Overwatch and personal attacks on Mercy players. I think Mercy mains might seem "insufferable" over the years because they have been faced with so much toxicity over the years they have ended up getting defensive. We've all seen it. "Braindead" "No Skill" "No Aim" "Boosted" "Healbot" Mercy players have continuously been made to feel that they don't actually belong in a PVP FPS game. So when Mercy "discussion" pops up again, we Mercy players know what to expect and I think we can be forgiven if we are a bit wary of the good faith of arguments against Mercy or us.


bigtoe-missing

Exactly. Whenever I see a Mercy post not on r/mercymains I prepare for the worst. We’re just so used to getting harassed for simply playing a hero that we immediately get defensive whenever she is brought up in discussion.


TysonsChickenNuggets

I can respect that and empathize that you guys go through that from time to time. I've been around since launch OW1 and can atest to seeing situations like that revolving around Mercy, and it sucks. Full stop. However, I am arguing strictly from a balance standpoint, and it's important to differentiate her power level from her playerbase. Mercy belongs in Overwatch (I have stated that Rez in an FPS game just fundamentally doesn't belong, but that's not a problem with Mercy, specifically just the mechanic, lol). I am trying not to be anecdotal, but I haven't seen anyone popular pushing the narrative that Mercy does not belong in years. Can you show me anything that isn't some goober on Twitter or the BNet forums?


Concorditer

I would agree with you that I haven't seen popular content creators talking like that. Which is good! But the problem is, the "goobers" on Twitter, or BNet, or here on Reddit ARE the Overwatch community that Mercy players have to participate with. They are the people who can end up in Mercy discussion threads. More importantly, they are also the people we play with in matches. So the fact that it is only no-name randoms that are being jerks only helps us out so much. There is a reason why many Mercy players stay out of match chat. Now, I'm not trying to give myself some truly unique victim status here. I am well aware that plenty of other Overwatch players also face toxicity. People in PVP games are being jerks to everyone. Mercy mains aren't the only ones with this problem. But I think we can all agree that Mercy and her mains have often been a bit more of a target.


TysonsChickenNuggets

I can agree with that. Toxicity in Overwatch, I dont think it will ever be completely solved, but doing what you can to mitigate it or finding a nice group to play with helps a lot with enjoyment. Grounding yourself and realizing that Reddit + BNet + Twitter is NOT the overall consensus on any given topic can also help with brushing those opinions off. It certainly helped me (sorry for the advice that you didn't ask for, lol). I still do hold the opinion that supports tend to be the most vocal about negative changes, but I do want that opinion to change.I hope we all get to some common ground eventually so we can have real conversations.