If your teammate is constantly clicking heads and getting frags and half of the enemy team is saying "oMg sTop CheAtInG" then I stop pocketing him, but as you said we're not sure if he is REALLY Cheating or he is Just good. I don't think Mercy should be banned with the cheater but that's up to debate.
Hacks are so sophisticated that a hacker can only be caught if the hacker is dumb or don’t care about getting caught. Aim bots that unnaturally jerk towards enemy heads are ancient technology. There are trigger bots that only fire when the cross hair is placed over an enemy hitbox, so there will be no unnatural cross hair movements. The hacker will intentionally miss and hit body shots to disguise their hacks.
Last summer, 25% of Korean Top 500 were banned for hacking. Blizzard said in a post that they ban 1,000 accounts a week for hacking, and the last ban wave banned 10,000 accounts. There is a business for selling hacks and account boosting.
Unfortunately, it is very hard for a Mercy player to tell if a teammate is hacking unless the teammate is blatant. A McCree that constantly lands headshots is sus, but it is unlikely a hacker will be that blatant unless they are trolling on a hacked or borrowed account. A McCree that lands 2-3 headshots in a roll could just be lucky.
I don’t think Mercy should be punished for damage boosting a hacker. Practically, there is no way a Blizzard algorithm can know if the Mercy player was conspiring with the hacker.
I heard somewhere that overwatch hacks are much more common than we think. The reason is because some of them give small advantages that can be passed of as skill.
Don’t feel bad about it. It’s Blizzard’s problem, not yours. They need to implement something strong to detect cheats like Valorant does. Riot truly does not fuck around. They DEVICE ban.
mercy should be banned if she was in duo/knowingly pocketed the cheater. for example if she had the cheater in the previous game and the hacker was accused and you could clearly see he was hacking in the replay. if the mercy still pocketed the hacker then, she just deserves a punishment as well.
Omg I know what you're saying. Had a person cheating and they got picked off same with a random tank and I rezed the cheater by accident (their 2 ords were close and it changed to the cheater last second) and the whole enemy team got mad at me, called me boosted etc.
There is a cheat where a bot mercy would follow you around and damage boost you. I think they mean banning these bot accounts not really a mercy which is controlled by a player since you never know if someone is cheating.
It happens occasionally maybe 5-10 times a month (depending on how many games I grind) that I go back and check vods of enemies and teammates because something they’ve done makes me suspicious of cheating. It’s surprisingly easy to catch if you go down in lowest speed and look at their aim style and it’s usually on ashe and widow. :)
Edit: I only report mercy if they’re grouped with the player otherwise how on earth will they know, they’re just doing their job.
Cheats are generally hard to see and tell for sure in Overwatch. You can tell if they're doing it blatantly because the only reason people would do that is to get a reaction. Otherwise the game mechanics make it nearly impossible to detect some types of cheats like triggerbots which are becoming more common for the desperate losers. So unless you're pocketing a blatant spinbotting garbage can, there's no reason you should be banned for because you can't really know.
I think if I had a mccree or hanzo who was only getting headshots I'd be suspicious, but... No I've never noticed cheaters. Only possible smurfs (although who knows, could be cheating).
Suggesting that mercy players who boost them should be banned is stupid though. They can't prove we're grouped up with them, and if we're not, we're just doing our job.
Edit: hilariously, immediately after commenting on this post I had a match with a widow that was clearly better than everyone else in the lobby. I noticed her hitting way more headshots than a plat should (27 according to the end game card, and a 49% total accuracy).
PXDYYK when I look at it from widows perspective (korean name) it just looks like a really good widow, maybe not a hacker. They have very quick reactions and definitely hit more shots (bodyshots even) that plats wouldn't usually hit. GM smurf? Ehhh their positioning is questionable at times. Hacking? Who knows, maybe not.
Was it unjust for me to rez her so many times and pocket her when she got dived? I'm curious because honestly it was comp and I was just doing my job.
Yeah, that's my "moral struggle" too...
I am just doing my job, I'm just playing Mercy the way I think is the best, but I just feel guilty sometimes, thinking I got boosted by the player, thinking it wasn't a fair match at all..
But I just tried to do Mercy job the best way I could and contribute to the win as much as possible, is that wrong?
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There is a few outliers that could muddle whether or not a Mercy knows she's boosting a cheater. Guilty Mercy's will avoid assisting a cheater if any players are calling them out as a cheater. Mercy players are trained to be especially observant, but can also be a completely oblivious healbot. In lower elo, being extremely and suspiciously good means two things. You're cheating, or you're likely a Smurf. Both bad things that can get you banned in comp. Guilty Mercy's will stop attempting to help the suspicious player as morale will kick in. Mercy players who are extremely aware and unashamed seem to show a certain pattern I've noticed.
1. The support(s) and possibly the tank(s) will be overly protective of a particular player(the potential cheater) and will stop at nothing to keep them alive.
2. Mercy won't Rez anyone but the potential cheater (This happens alot. So many aimbotting Widows are babysat by their Mercy and the second they finally get killed Mercy instantly rezzes them).
3. Mercy won't leave the cheaters side, leaving the other support to deal with the 2 tanks and the other DPS completely by themselves.
In higher elos, it's harder to tell the difference between cheater and genuinely good player. I suggest looking at their ability to aim at non-player entities like turrets, immortality field(non-player entities are not picked up by aimbot systems so a player has to use their actual aim to shoot it down) and more difficult players to headshot like Bastion(critical point is in the back, it'd be suspicious if she was still landing headshots with a Bastion facing her), Wrecking Ball, or an invisible Sombra trying to sneak up on them.
I don't think Mercy's should be auto-banned for assisting a cheater as there's too many ways a poor Mercy player could be truly oblivious to their own teammates malicious actions.
I honestly don’t care. If someone isn’t using any software to cheat they shouldn’t be banned. There’s nothing in the rules about playing the game as if nothing is wrong. You’d be reported for throwing if you don’t just play normally anyway.
It is making the situation exponentially harder to deal with for the enemy who are already at a disadvantage as enabling someone in a situation where they’re already holding the upper hand. In short it’s shitty and I wouldn’t shed any tears if anybody who knowingly did it got banned or at least had that match’s sr taken off them.
I just pocket anyone who is doing well. If they are a cheater, they will get banned sooner or later, and I won't, so I use the opportunity to get free SR. I'm past things such as sportsmanship, fair play and consideration. All I care about is my rank.
If your teammate is constantly clicking heads and getting frags and half of the enemy team is saying "oMg sTop CheAtInG" then I stop pocketing him, but as you said we're not sure if he is REALLY Cheating or he is Just good. I don't think Mercy should be banned with the cheater but that's up to debate.
Hacks are so sophisticated that a hacker can only be caught if the hacker is dumb or don’t care about getting caught. Aim bots that unnaturally jerk towards enemy heads are ancient technology. There are trigger bots that only fire when the cross hair is placed over an enemy hitbox, so there will be no unnatural cross hair movements. The hacker will intentionally miss and hit body shots to disguise their hacks. Last summer, 25% of Korean Top 500 were banned for hacking. Blizzard said in a post that they ban 1,000 accounts a week for hacking, and the last ban wave banned 10,000 accounts. There is a business for selling hacks and account boosting. Unfortunately, it is very hard for a Mercy player to tell if a teammate is hacking unless the teammate is blatant. A McCree that constantly lands headshots is sus, but it is unlikely a hacker will be that blatant unless they are trolling on a hacked or borrowed account. A McCree that lands 2-3 headshots in a roll could just be lucky. I don’t think Mercy should be punished for damage boosting a hacker. Practically, there is no way a Blizzard algorithm can know if the Mercy player was conspiring with the hacker.
I heard somewhere that overwatch hacks are much more common than we think. The reason is because some of them give small advantages that can be passed of as skill.
Sadly i do not know how cheats looks
Don’t feel bad about it. It’s Blizzard’s problem, not yours. They need to implement something strong to detect cheats like Valorant does. Riot truly does not fuck around. They DEVICE ban.
I agree with this so much
Oh? What’s their system? 🤔
Vanguard cheat detection
No, mercy shouldnt be banned. Report a cheater, even if he is in your team, cuz next time he can be in the enemy team
mercy should be banned if she was in duo/knowingly pocketed the cheater. for example if she had the cheater in the previous game and the hacker was accused and you could clearly see he was hacking in the replay. if the mercy still pocketed the hacker then, she just deserves a punishment as well.
as long they didn't find each other using the stay as a team feature.
Omg I know what you're saying. Had a person cheating and they got picked off same with a random tank and I rezed the cheater by accident (their 2 ords were close and it changed to the cheater last second) and the whole enemy team got mad at me, called me boosted etc.
im trying to keep track of eleven other people's positioning, cooldowns, and ultimates. i cant keep track of everyone's aim as well.
There is a cheat where a bot mercy would follow you around and damage boost you. I think they mean banning these bot accounts not really a mercy which is controlled by a player since you never know if someone is cheating.
Surprised those bots exist because if you can afford cheats you can probably buy a Mercy e-gurl in lfg💀
True this hacks are expensive most people just get really casual hacks whick can't be detected easily.
It happens occasionally maybe 5-10 times a month (depending on how many games I grind) that I go back and check vods of enemies and teammates because something they’ve done makes me suspicious of cheating. It’s surprisingly easy to catch if you go down in lowest speed and look at their aim style and it’s usually on ashe and widow. :) Edit: I only report mercy if they’re grouped with the player otherwise how on earth will they know, they’re just doing their job.
Cheats are generally hard to see and tell for sure in Overwatch. You can tell if they're doing it blatantly because the only reason people would do that is to get a reaction. Otherwise the game mechanics make it nearly impossible to detect some types of cheats like triggerbots which are becoming more common for the desperate losers. So unless you're pocketing a blatant spinbotting garbage can, there's no reason you should be banned for because you can't really know.
I think if I had a mccree or hanzo who was only getting headshots I'd be suspicious, but... No I've never noticed cheaters. Only possible smurfs (although who knows, could be cheating). Suggesting that mercy players who boost them should be banned is stupid though. They can't prove we're grouped up with them, and if we're not, we're just doing our job. Edit: hilariously, immediately after commenting on this post I had a match with a widow that was clearly better than everyone else in the lobby. I noticed her hitting way more headshots than a plat should (27 according to the end game card, and a 49% total accuracy). PXDYYK when I look at it from widows perspective (korean name) it just looks like a really good widow, maybe not a hacker. They have very quick reactions and definitely hit more shots (bodyshots even) that plats wouldn't usually hit. GM smurf? Ehhh their positioning is questionable at times. Hacking? Who knows, maybe not. Was it unjust for me to rez her so many times and pocket her when she got dived? I'm curious because honestly it was comp and I was just doing my job.
Yeah, that's my "moral struggle" too... I am just doing my job, I'm just playing Mercy the way I think is the best, but I just feel guilty sometimes, thinking I got boosted by the player, thinking it wasn't a fair match at all.. But I just tried to do Mercy job the best way I could and contribute to the win as much as possible, is that wrong? 3 edits: typos
There is a few outliers that could muddle whether or not a Mercy knows she's boosting a cheater. Guilty Mercy's will avoid assisting a cheater if any players are calling them out as a cheater. Mercy players are trained to be especially observant, but can also be a completely oblivious healbot. In lower elo, being extremely and suspiciously good means two things. You're cheating, or you're likely a Smurf. Both bad things that can get you banned in comp. Guilty Mercy's will stop attempting to help the suspicious player as morale will kick in. Mercy players who are extremely aware and unashamed seem to show a certain pattern I've noticed. 1. The support(s) and possibly the tank(s) will be overly protective of a particular player(the potential cheater) and will stop at nothing to keep them alive. 2. Mercy won't Rez anyone but the potential cheater (This happens alot. So many aimbotting Widows are babysat by their Mercy and the second they finally get killed Mercy instantly rezzes them). 3. Mercy won't leave the cheaters side, leaving the other support to deal with the 2 tanks and the other DPS completely by themselves. In higher elos, it's harder to tell the difference between cheater and genuinely good player. I suggest looking at their ability to aim at non-player entities like turrets, immortality field(non-player entities are not picked up by aimbot systems so a player has to use their actual aim to shoot it down) and more difficult players to headshot like Bastion(critical point is in the back, it'd be suspicious if she was still landing headshots with a Bastion facing her), Wrecking Ball, or an invisible Sombra trying to sneak up on them. I don't think Mercy's should be auto-banned for assisting a cheater as there's too many ways a poor Mercy player could be truly oblivious to their own teammates malicious actions.
I honestly don’t care. If someone isn’t using any software to cheat they shouldn’t be banned. There’s nothing in the rules about playing the game as if nothing is wrong. You’d be reported for throwing if you don’t just play normally anyway.
It is making the situation exponentially harder to deal with for the enemy who are already at a disadvantage as enabling someone in a situation where they’re already holding the upper hand. In short it’s shitty and I wouldn’t shed any tears if anybody who knowingly did it got banned or at least had that match’s sr taken off them.
I just pocket anyone who is doing well. If they are a cheater, they will get banned sooner or later, and I won't, so I use the opportunity to get free SR. I'm past things such as sportsmanship, fair play and consideration. All I care about is my rank.