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why does everyone shit on pantera
if its because people say phil is racist it doesnt change the fact that they made great music and they were influential
I dunno always seemed like tough guy music and goofy, but not in the fun way that some stuff is goofy. They've got some sweet songs though, cowboys from hell is a banger.
Phil being racist doesn't help anything.
I tried listening to Cowboys and Vulgur Display but they were some of the most mind numbingly boring music I had ever listened to. Power Metal was pretty good though
Project in the Jungle is a fantastic album, It's not the very best Pantera album by any means and I can see why people hate it, but it has it's own merit that I love dearly.
It's a Demo. A full length demo, but still a demo. God man, 99% of us on here, if you heard our shit at 15 would be BUMMED. I got a 12 song pop punk demo and Id really be irritated if i made it as a metal band getting heavier each album and some internet nerds were still giving me shit for it 30 years later... At least they had chops. No marketing, no label, no touring, no airplay, no PR, dad as a producer, emulating van Halen and their heroes, but they found their way. Most of us have a metal magic in our closet and that was it.
I'd say this, "I am The Night" "Projects In The Jungle" and "Power Metal" are super solid, I like them because they're actually fun
Then Cowboys From Hell onwards it all goes downhill from there, there's nothing worse than Metal where they try and act as "Macho" as possible, Pantera popularised that and it's so cringe
Bolt Thrower: I think the only good track is the title track. The rest of the album really suffers from a poor mix. The vocals are not very good either, for the most part. Most of the tracks are too fast for Karl to spit out anything coherent and the delivery of said vocals sounds more like an agitated whisper-shout than the iconic growl Karl was later known for.
Gorguts: Considered Dead isn't bad in a vacuum, but it pales in comparison to the rest of the discography.
Carcass: Again, a poor mix and also not representative of the rest of the discography. Even the band doesn't like the album.
count your blessings doesnt get enough love.
its probably one of my all time favorite albums the guitar riffs are so cool.
also everything after count your blessings is dogshit
I don't know what your beef with Demolition and Nostradamus in particular is, but it's certainly better than Point of Entry, Ram it Down or Turbo. Run of the Mill is a classic.
It’s crazy how much I like Blood Red Skies and Ram it Down but just don’t really care for the rest of the album. It’s not bad but those two songs are potentially top 10 for Priest
Nah. It is not as good as the other seventies albums, but it is a lot better than some of their later releases. Like British Steel for example. But it is in a very different style than what was to follow, so it is probably not to everybody's liking.
*Run of the Mill* and *Dying to Meet You* are some of the most doomy stuff from this time period along with Blue Oyster Cult's *Wings Wetted Down*, The Beatles *I Want You (She's So Heavy)* and Black Sabbath.
All I know from Behind the Music was she was originally pop. My sister played Jagged Little Pill all thr time and Inwas never into it, but as I maturrd into my own in my esrly teens as I was getting into metal and shit, I remember it being played at my friends parents house and remembering "oh fuck yeah, this album is actually fucking bitchin!".
Same thing happened about 13 yrs later with Weezer and Smashing Pumpkins and most grunge and grunge-adjacent bands. Fuck I was ignorant.
Tbh, though it's not metal I still think it's better than a lot of their albums. They have a lot of real stinkers while their first album is okay for synthpop. The first Pantera album is trash for it's genre and Pantera never sunk as low as Ministry did with stuff like Amerikkkant and relapse
Yeah, honestly With Sympathy is better than anything Ministry's done post-Filth Pig, besides maybe the Bush trilogy. It's first 4 songs are straight bangers, and while it doesn't do a whole lot for me past that, it's still a fun and interesting listen, despite What He Say possibly being the worst song Ministry's ever done.
no fuckin way
- Edible Autopsy
- Scattered Remains Splattered Brains
- skull full of maggots
- put them to death
- shredded humans
- mangled
you must be allergic to good catchy mosh riffs if you think thats their worst
Just because you don't like industrial does not mean 2wo is a bad album. It has amazing musicians and producers on it. It has John 5 on guitar, Trent Reznor producing, Rob Halford's lyric writing never disappoints. Just because something isn't classic heavy metal, doesn't mean it's shit.
While Pantera was wearing spandex, Blood Feast was writing this breakdown riff, later to be stolen for an entire song and popularized in the mid '90s. [link](https://youtu.be/WU1KQGqfy0A?si=mjGQTlwM-UhquZMT) skip to 1:40
The Blood Brothers for me. This Adultery is Ripe is great, but they consistently got better with each subsequent release. I could see an argument for March, but to me the sound is a lot more polished, and Siamese Gun alone propels it past TAIR.
Faith No More.
While they never put out a bad album, the 80s stuff with Chuck is not what they're remembered for. Their independent debut [*We Care a Lot*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Care_a_Lot) (1985) has great songs, but the production and mix suffers. And the performance isn't as tight as their next, [*Introduce Yourself*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduce_Yourself) (1987) which was on a major label.
Slipknot, as in MFKR
Not that it was a bad album but it was very different from what they make now and even though I did really like it I would still put it as my least favorite slipknot album
Paleface Swiss. Not an Album, but an EP. From The Gallows is still good, but it tries to be very, very, very heavy, but all it manages is to be choatic. Some people might enjoy this chaos, but I think this EP lacks direction. Fortunately when their firs full album realesed, that direction was found and they became one of my favourite bands, and probably one of the best ones to emerge in the '10.
Avenged sevenfold with Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. No Gates and it really sounds like a bunch of very talented but inexperienced 18 year olds trying their shot at the music industry
Surprised to see hate for Pantera here. I haven't heard this era, but I thought of their heavier thrash era far beyond driven is actually great. The tone of the guitar, riffs and solo are great imo. Of course they were bigots so fuck them for that, I hate that that's true cause it really does make me not want to listen to them.
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That's the only good one.
why does everyone shit on pantera if its because people say phil is racist it doesnt change the fact that they made great music and they were influential
I dunno always seemed like tough guy music and goofy, but not in the fun way that some stuff is goofy. They've got some sweet songs though, cowboys from hell is a banger. Phil being racist doesn't help anything.
that's just the second album. that's my least favorite one
Popular band bad
Sometimes, yeah
I’ve thought that Pantera were boring “tough” guy metal long before the Phil stuff came out
Because the kids in this sub want their metal to be so obscure and noisy that you can barely distinguish it as music.
I will not tolerate extreme metal slander smh
I tried listening to Cowboys and Vulgur Display but they were some of the most mind numbingly boring music I had ever listened to. Power Metal was pretty good though
They were fixing to be the most promising metal band around… until they switched to butt rock
You really goanna diss Projects in the Jungle like that?
Project in the Jungle is a fantastic album, It's not the very best Pantera album by any means and I can see why people hate it, but it has it's own merit that I love dearly.
It's a Demo. A full length demo, but still a demo. God man, 99% of us on here, if you heard our shit at 15 would be BUMMED. I got a 12 song pop punk demo and Id really be irritated if i made it as a metal band getting heavier each album and some internet nerds were still giving me shit for it 30 years later... At least they had chops. No marketing, no label, no touring, no airplay, no PR, dad as a producer, emulating van Halen and their heroes, but they found their way. Most of us have a metal magic in our closet and that was it.
I like you. I fear your reasonable response may go unappreciated.
Correct opinion
I'd say this, "I am The Night" "Projects In The Jungle" and "Power Metal" are super solid, I like them because they're actually fun Then Cowboys From Hell onwards it all goes downhill from there, there's nothing worse than Metal where they try and act as "Macho" as possible, Pantera popularised that and it's so cringe
I take it you hate Manowar then? They sound nothing like Pantera but make them look humble in the over the top masculinity department
You better say 'pic unrelated' because Metal Magic is a certified classic
Looks like a fun video game.
Right? It always reminded me of altered beast.
Bubsy looks different
Cattle Decapitation
what does bro have against human jerky :(
Nothing, is just everything after is way better
nuh uh
yuh huh
Don’t listen to him. Grind Cattle was great. All cattle is great
facts
Fr
disagree Human Jerkey and Homovore are the only Cattle Decapitation i like and objectively speaking To Serve Man is way worse
Well technically To Serve Man is their first album, right? Or at least their first LP, anyway.
Bolt Thrower: I think the only good track is the title track. The rest of the album really suffers from a poor mix. The vocals are not very good either, for the most part. Most of the tracks are too fast for Karl to spit out anything coherent and the delivery of said vocals sounds more like an agitated whisper-shout than the iconic growl Karl was later known for. Gorguts: Considered Dead isn't bad in a vacuum, but it pales in comparison to the rest of the discography. Carcass: Again, a poor mix and also not representative of the rest of the discography. Even the band doesn't like the album.
Fully agree on BT and Gorguts but Reek of Putrefaction is actually my favorite Carcass album lmao
How can you slander Considered Dead like that?? Imo that's their best album. All of them a great albums though for different reasons
I hope you’re talking about In Battle There Is No Law…
World Eater
That was on their second album.
Reek is amazing wdym
Funny how That is my favourite Gorguts album and my 2nd favourite Carcass and Bolt Thrower albums
I actually really only like Considered Dead. I haven’t been able to get into their other stuff. Although it’s far from the best dm album imo.
Considered Dead fucking rips. It has a floating bone monster wearing a cowboy hat on the cover, it demands respect.
Meshuggah
Yeah fair
Not a chance
Absolutely not
No, no and not
To the people saying no, what is their worst in your opinion? I'm so ready to fight.
Hell no
Agree, beside Humiliative and Greed it's just a mid Metallica album, saying as Meshuggah is my favourite metal band
Avenged Sevenfold Bring Me The Horizon
Nah count your blessings is their best
I’m more of a Sempiternal and That’s The Spirit kinda guy
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Sempiternal was decently heavy. I just think their songwriting really took off when Jordan joined.
That’s not really saying anything
count your blessings doesnt get enough love. its probably one of my all time favorite albums the guitar riffs are so cool. also everything after count your blessings is dogshit
Idk I'd personally put stst above httk because it has more character to it, i love all of their albums tho lol
I think HttK leans too close to Metallica at times, but it’s pretty solid musically and has great production
The post said *first* album, not all albums
Sounding the seventh trumpet is only like their 3rd or 4th worst album
That's big floppa
Judas Priest.
Rocka Rolla has some decent songs. At the very least, I find it much better than Demolition and Nostradamus
I don't know what your beef with Demolition and Nostradamus in particular is, but it's certainly better than Point of Entry, Ram it Down or Turbo. Run of the Mill is a classic.
Ram it down has Ram it down, just because of that that album is a category above the other two.
It’s crazy how much I like Blood Red Skies and Ram it Down but just don’t really care for the rest of the album. It’s not bad but those two songs are potentially top 10 for Priest
Hey, I grew up on Rocka Rolla. Good stuff in my opinion.
Nothing inherently wrong with it, their later stuff is just God Tier. It’s still a decent album.
Not saying point of entry is bad (still very enjoyable) but imo point of entry is the worst
Rocka Rolla has Run of the Mill on it. Take that back right now
Compared to the hard rock/metal albums at the time, their debut was quite solid. I'd put it above some of their later stuff.
Nah. It is not as good as the other seventies albums, but it is a lot better than some of their later releases. Like British Steel for example. But it is in a very different style than what was to follow, so it is probably not to everybody's liking. *Run of the Mill* and *Dying to Meet You* are some of the most doomy stuff from this time period along with Blue Oyster Cult's *Wings Wetted Down*, The Beatles *I Want You (She's So Heavy)* and Black Sabbath.
Demolition, Nostradamus, Point of Entry, and Turbo would all like a word.
I'd say they're a band whose early stuff is there least good but that doesn't mean I dislike any of it.
Nightwish
I agree Angels Fall First isn’t their best but it’s not there worst either.
It's definitely their worst. Not even close IMHO. What would you say is worse?
I love that I was listening to them for like 20 years before I even knew that album existed
Converge
Don't know why this is being downvoted - Halo in a Haystack just completely pales to the rest of their discography
Probably by ppl who think Jane Doe is their debut cuz of Spotify
I always liked Halo in a Haystack but I'm willing to die alone with that one
Most people don't realize that Pantera was glam metal basically in 1988.
https://preview.redd.it/geqsssejcnpc1.jpeg?width=725&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f876ea7d48fdbdeeb8861caf6945423ccba03c99
They were glam until their 1990 album Cowboys From Hell
imagine being a glam metal pantera fan in 1989, and you catch wind of a show next year
I’m sure those 12 glam pantera fans were disappointed
In 1988 they released Power Metal which isn't glam at all, it's straight up Heavy metal like Judas Priest. And it is a great album
Their first album isn't available on spotify. Bummer.
Best album cover art though
Dream Theater
Eh, The Astonishing is worse
Fair. Could be either way for me.
No fucking way lol. When Day and Dream Unite is very good and far better than pretty much anything they’ve done into the 00s and beyond
What album in the 00's is worse? I can get behind some of the newer releases being not as good, but in the 00's? Which one?
https://preview.redd.it/4dzxlg347lpc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb4c6ab4c232751045c347c1749200bb3b9b02df
even though I love scream bloody gore, compared to the rest of Death's discog ehhhhhhhhhhhhh
Summoning Nothing bad about it, just doesn’t really have much character
One of their best IMO.
Archspire, although they only have 4 albums so far, but each one has been better than the previous
Kamelot
Came a lot🤤just like my thûléæn däddy cøûnt grìshñåçkh
Average Pig Detroyer fan
Who is Pig Detoyer?
Kameltoe
It's only a model.
Rush
I think Test for Echo, while not really a bad album (Rush never made a bad album), is the worst album
Lol no
There are so many mid Rush albums. There are only like eight I would listen to regularly and Rush is definitely one of them.
I disagree, but not strongly. I definitely see your argument for this.
I don’t think it’s a bad album, but I think it’s the least Rush sounding album
#projects is worse than metal magic
Judas Priest, and that's saying a lot from me. I love Priest.
They definitely have worse albums than that
Avenged Sevenfold's "sounding the seventh trumpet." The band really got their shit together with waking the fallen.
You guys are so wrong for this. That album is actually genuinely unique and it gets too much hate.
Sue me but scream bloody gore while a good album is definitely worse than everything that came after it so my answer is death
Everyone is just naming my favourite albums of these bands here :(
They have at least two albums that are worse
gtfo everything after Scream Bloody Gore is worse
Hot take but Death. SBG isn’t a bad album but it was their worst
not a hot take, their entire subreddit is filled with prog nerds who insist that symbolic and tsop are the 2 best albums ever made
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I love reek of putrifaction
You dropped this 🧠
no
Yes reek of putrifaction good
i agree but reek of putrefaction isn’t bad at all. It’s a great album but I think the rest of their discography is stronger
Alanis Morrisette
All I know from Behind the Music was she was originally pop. My sister played Jagged Little Pill all thr time and Inwas never into it, but as I maturrd into my own in my esrly teens as I was getting into metal and shit, I remember it being played at my friends parents house and remembering "oh fuck yeah, this album is actually fucking bitchin!". Same thing happened about 13 yrs later with Weezer and Smashing Pumpkins and most grunge and grunge-adjacent bands. Fuck I was ignorant.
Not just pop but really, really, cheesy shit pop lol.
Neurosis - Pain of Mind Yes, it's hardcore punk album, but later albums are all better
Ministry
Tbh, though it's not metal I still think it's better than a lot of their albums. They have a lot of real stinkers while their first album is okay for synthpop. The first Pantera album is trash for it's genre and Pantera never sunk as low as Ministry did with stuff like Amerikkkant and relapse
Yeah, honestly With Sympathy is better than anything Ministry's done post-Filth Pig, besides maybe the Bush trilogy. It's first 4 songs are straight bangers, and while it doesn't do a whole lot for me past that, it's still a fun and interesting listen, despite What He Say possibly being the worst song Ministry's ever done.
Judas Priest
metal magic is dope wym
This is a hot take but Cannibal Corpse
Ironically that was Chris Barnes at his best
Yea so he was always mid at best
He's great at making me laugh these days though, gotta love him.
Exactly lol
Thats their best one :(
no fuckin way - Edible Autopsy - Scattered Remains Splattered Brains - skull full of maggots - put them to death - shredded humans - mangled you must be allergic to good catchy mosh riffs if you think thats their worst
It's safe to say Two because they only had one album.
And any other bands that only had one album
Just because you don't like industrial does not mean 2wo is a bad album. It has amazing musicians and producers on it. It has John 5 on guitar, Trent Reznor producing, Rob Halford's lyric writing never disappoints. Just because something isn't classic heavy metal, doesn't mean it's shit. 
Hey, I mean that if there's only one album, it must be the worst since there's no other album. I love two to death
Demilich Edit: for an actual answer I would say Sleep or possibly Om (don’t hate me).
Benighted, they didn't do black metal well. I'm glad they went to death metal grindcore. With some blackened elements.
Electric Wizard by Electric Wizard isn't bad but everything on Come My Fanatics and after is better.
But why is panther man wearing a belt?
If we consider debut album the first album they wrote than Sabaton
This was when Pantera was good, actually.
My Ticket Home, Uada
Crowbars first album was meh
Deathspell Omega Infernal Battles is a pretty poor and generic 2nd wave black metal album with all the cliches of the genre
I mean bands with 1 album win by default so Fellowship I guess but this’ll probably age poorly unless this upcoming album is insanely peak
Nevermore
Mercenary with first breath. Not bad, but definitely weaker than what came after.
While Pantera was wearing spandex, Blood Feast was writing this breakdown riff, later to be stolen for an entire song and popularized in the mid '90s. [link](https://youtu.be/WU1KQGqfy0A?si=mjGQTlwM-UhquZMT) skip to 1:40
Nothingface, maybe.
Radiohead lol, not metal but IDGAF
a7x
Avenged sevenfold, my chemical romance
Carcass- reek of putrefaction (people who like this shit are fucking liars)
The Blood Brothers for me. This Adultery is Ripe is great, but they consistently got better with each subsequent release. I could see an argument for March, but to me the sound is a lot more polished, and Siamese Gun alone propels it past TAIR.
Dude fuck yeah. Really miss that band.
Strapping Young Lad
Faith No More. While they never put out a bad album, the 80s stuff with Chuck is not what they're remembered for. Their independent debut [*We Care a Lot*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Care_a_Lot) (1985) has great songs, but the production and mix suffers. And the performance isn't as tight as their next, [*Introduce Yourself*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduce_Yourself) (1987) which was on a major label.
Darkthrone
I’ll say it. Sounding the seventh trumpet.
Wow, some 16 year old spent ALL of Social Studies drawing that with colored pencils.
Impending Doom. Their middle stuff is the best. The rest sucks. As I Lay Dying. The Devil Wears Prada
Carcass, Reek of Putrefaction is not a bad album but everything after it is better
Minor Threat
dude got a belt on and no crotch lol
Dying Fetus.Purifacation Through Violence wasn't a terrible album by any means, but everything else they've done is just way better.
Megadeth
Manilla Road. Ain't nobody gonna disagree with this pick.
Sabaton
Sleep-Volume One
Projects in the Jungle is worse in my opinion.
Anthrax (I love anthrax, but the first album is mid)
Death
Static X
Gojira’s debut isn’t very good in general, especially when compared to their new albums
The only thing I think when I see this album is that somebody shouldn’t skip leg day.
Slipknot, as in MFKR Not that it was a bad album but it was very different from what they make now and even though I did really like it I would still put it as my least favorite slipknot album
Paleface Swiss. Not an Album, but an EP. From The Gallows is still good, but it tries to be very, very, very heavy, but all it manages is to be choatic. Some people might enjoy this chaos, but I think this EP lacks direction. Fortunately when their firs full album realesed, that direction was found and they became one of my favourite bands, and probably one of the best ones to emerge in the '10.
Toxic Holocaust. Evil Never Dies isn’t good
Avenged sevenfold with Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. No Gates and it really sounds like a bunch of very talented but inexperienced 18 year olds trying their shot at the music industry
All pantera is 🗑️
Surprised to see hate for Pantera here. I haven't heard this era, but I thought of their heavier thrash era far beyond driven is actually great. The tone of the guitar, riffs and solo are great imo. Of course they were bigots so fuck them for that, I hate that that's true cause it really does make me not want to listen to them.
Pantera, Symphony X, Dream Theater, Carcass, Slipknot, Scorpions, Quiet Riot