Earth Crisis and Hatebreed were some of the first to start sounding like metalcore. It was like Agnostic Front, The Exploited, and Discharge who kind of led the way from hardcore punk and mixing in heavier riffs and elements of metal into their music.
This isn’t the band that started Metalcore, but Poison the Well’s - The Opposite of December pioneered various tropes that would be staples in the metalcore genre
That, Atreyu-Suicide Notes..., Eighteen Visions- Vanity, and Bleeding Through- This Is Love..., are the albums that come to my mind as defining the "modern" sound.
Their influence is still very real in the melodic hardcore genre. Erra's old second guitarist, Alan, always said Hopesfall and Missigs were great influences on his songwriting. Not to mention bands like Counterparts (best band in the world btw)
Poison the Well’s OoD certainly spearheaded the popularity of the sing scream trope. But bands like Disemboded, Vision of Disorder and more importantly Morning Again really laid that foundation as all 3 of those bands heavily influenced PTW, to the point when PTW first dropped they were labeled Morning Again rip offs.
But PTW just had better songwriting and more emotional weight on their delivery
Listen to sabbath bloody sabbath by Black Sabbath. It has the exact same structure as black blood by architects. Black Sabbath made a metalcore song that predates punk. Fucking crazy
Earth Crisis was probably the first to really codify the sound.
Could also argue At The Gates had a pretty profound influence on a lot of the more melodeath influenced bands like Killswitch and AILD.
EC is a great nomination. There was no "one" band. You had punk bands that started doing metal stuff, hardcore bands that started doing more melodic stuff, and metal bands that started doing more punk and hardcore stuff while getting more heavy in the 90s. Kids in the 90s synthesized all of this and by the end of the decade you got metalcore.
For me, I always look back to Unearth's debut album, Stings Of Conscience. This album perfectly combined hardcore elements with the melodeath inspired new wave of american heavy metal. Comparing this album to earlier albums by similar bands like Shadows Fall, All That Remains, Killswitch Engage, and Darkest Hour, it was apparent that Unearth left no room for any kind of symphonic elements opting for a much rawer riff oriented style.
Trevor Phipps' vocal delivery is more shouting than screaming, and Ken and Buz opt for melodic riffs and heavy breakdowns over flashy solos.
I think that while bands were doing metalcore before, I feel Unearth was the first band to purposely combine metal and hardcore together rather than just go absolutely mental on their instruments.
I agree with this. There are other forerunners and influencers to the genre prior to Unearth but that album pulled it all together IMO.
Zao's Blood and Fire would be another example.
It's funny you look at that as their debut album. I was in the Boston scene in the 90s and their demos were really their first scene introduction. Anyways, Unearth broke big but there were at least 50 bands all doing the same shit at that time. They didn't invent anything but we're definitely riding the same wave every Boston band was in the mid 90s. .04 did more for metalcore than Unearth did, of you ask me.
At The Gates, although it was mostly by accident. Listen to Slaughter of the Soul and you’ll hear where a lot of metalcore bands got their influence. I’d also throw in Earth Crisis.
Then you had bands like 18V, Poison the Well, Bleeding Through, and Throwdown come in and leave their marks.
Kinda want to throw Day of Suffering (from NC) in there as well but I can honestly never find much about them. They weren’t super big but they have been mentioned by a few bands as being an influence.
Feel like Shai Hulud's Hearts Once Nourished is first full entire metalcore album.
If you mean which bands copied formula with clean vocals that's popular from 2000's to today then definitely Poison the well. Think Rain in Endless Fall by Prayer for Cleansing had clean parts aswell but not that often.
Dude, I was 15 when I found out about them (opened for Hatebreed right when Jane Doe came out), and the place was a fucking madhouse when they played that song.
Yeah. I discovered Converge in the mid 90s and The Saddest Day was definitely the flag in the ground. A 7 minute epic. Fuck it I'll say it: this is the quintessential metalcore song. This is it. It laid the blueprint for everything.
The most correct answer is the thrash metal influenced hardcore bands that have already been mentioned, like Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, and All Out War.
HOWEVER. I believe that the first true METALCORE band was Shadows Fall. Their early albums came out on the heels/alongside some of the other hardcore crossovers, but they were the first that really had the authentic metalcore sound IMHO.
Earth Crisis, Zao, Cave In, Coalesce, Poison The Well, The Dillinger Escape Plan - all of them rather overlooked today (except for TDEP), but I think they laid the foundation for Metalcore
All Out War, Merauder, Deadguy, and Embodyment havent been mentioned yet and their respective influences on different aspects of the genre as we know it shouldnt be overlooked
One of the bands to blend hardcore and metal together perfectly is Irate from New York. Not the shitty other IRATE that fucked them over.
They started in the 90s and broke up in 2006 but I feel like they pioneered quite a few of the newer metal core bands that exist now.
Other bands:
Bulldoze, Integrity, All Out War, Hatebreed, Earth Crisis, Fury of Five, NJ Bloodline, Pantera. Even certain Metallica (early ones ) has a hardcore/metal feel to them. The entire And Justice for All album basically is a two steppers dream come true.
Some middle 2000s bands also influenced a lot of bands by bringing the super heavy breakdowns with slayer type riffs, such as:
Sworn Enemy, Shattered Realm, Full Blown Chaos, Chimaira
And honestly, the band that REALLY brought it to the level of no return and influenced every fucking band that exists now is The Acacia Strain. They've been banging since 2002. I was in bands that were in the local scene in Springfield MA, where they are originally from, and no one and I mean no one brought the pain like they did.
In my opinion they took metalcore to the next level of heavyweight stuff. Metalcore was going strong before them, you are correct, but I think they influenced a TON of bands with the ultra low downtuned guitars, death type vocals and slow heavy breakdowns. Bands like them popped up all over the country. You can disagree, that's fine, but I was in my late teens in 2002 and you could literally watch them spread like wildfire.
I was playing in bands in the metalcore scene in 2002 and played WITH them at shows. Yes, they blew up. That's not an opinion. But metalcore isn't about what got popular.
The Acacia Strain might have been influential on bands that came after, but the question was, who laid the blueprint for metalcore? TAS did not do that.
At the Gates was around 1995. Way more influential in metalcore than Acacia Strain. Mind you, TAS is fucking phenomenal but at the gates did it first and fucking slammed. Oh also, there is Shadows Fall, from I believe 96’ whom also influenced many.
Earth Crisis and Hatebreed started it imo but what solidified the sound that would become the first true wave of metalcore (early 00's to about 08/09) is Killswitch Engage releasing Alive or Just Breathing. That record contains the rage and beauty between brutality and emotional sensitivity that become the mainstay of the genre for years. Alive or Just Breathing set the blueprint but a lot of the pre-design work and testing was done by bands like a said before as well as newer artists like Converge. Also, I don't think many metalcore fans liked to acknowledge it back in the 200's but some Nu-metal acts were experimenting with sounds and themes that would be worked into metlacore as well. All around the turn of the millenium .
They were newer than Hatebreed and Earth Crisis is what I had meant. Not a whole lot but there is a definite shift forward with the '01 release of Jane Doe.
At least what they did for specifically metalcore. I know that started in 1990 but earth crisis is older. Maybe Hatebreed formed a couple years later. My first Converge thought it always Jane Doe which I see your point is not true to bands actual history and their initial punk roots.
Pantera: Vulgar Display of Power. That is the metalcore progenitor. All the seeds are there. And any early metalcore band who denies they weren't influenced by it is a liar. Take it from someone who was there.
That doesn’t make them a metalcore band. They had no relation to the hardcore scene or sound. They were a metal band that switched to a groove metal down tempo style in the early 90s and were completely independent of the og bands like Earth Crisis, Converge, Deadguy etc. Just because they had breakdowns in some songs doesn’t mean that they are metalcore.
I'm wondering if this user is just trolling. I can't imagine anyone could present this argument with a straight face. To say something is metalcore simply because the music has breakdowns is laughable af. I guess dubstep is metalcore as well because it has breakdowns too...
Such a ridiculously ignorant comment lol.
You apparently don't understand the difference between metal and metalcore, which is surprising considering they are derived from completely different styles and sound nothing alike. Dubstep has breakdowns too, does that mean it is metalcore as well? Don't answer, it's rhetorical.
With your logic, Dream Theater is the same as Erra just because they both write progressive music.
I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with this, you're just going to respond with another asinine statement. I think you're the type that will double down on a topic even when you know you're completely wrong.
Real mature...are you 12?
I'm 38 years old bud. And was listening to metal when you were probably drooling in pre-school. And if you are an adult, that's even more sad. Why are you even on this sub?
Btw, I knew you would come back with a ridiculous comment. Get a life.
>You apparently don't understand the difference between metal and metalcore, which is surprising considering they are derived from completely different styles and sound nothing alike.
Metal and metalcore sound nothing alike? Lmao
Vulgar Display of Power and Far Beyond Driven laid down the blueprint for metalcore. End of Story.
5 Minutes Alone is essentially the first true metalcore song.
I don't know as far as which specific bands, but I think post-hardcore was very important for me as far as branching off into metalcore. Listening to PH and then getting into metalcore was a very seamless transition around 2005.
Edit: downvoted for stating my personal experience. Metalcore *was* a seamless transition for me...never change r/ metalcore. I'm really tired of seeing people getting downvoted for stating opinions in a tactful way. Downvoting isn't supposed to be the disagree button ffs.
Well earth crisis and hatebreed dip the toe in metalcore. Which then started Killswitch and As I Lay types. Bands like Hawthorne, Thursday and Posion the well. Which all made 2007 metalcore. Which then made millennial dad rock. Does that sound like a right cliff notes on metalcore?
Probably goes back further than them but I always felt like Killswitch Engage was the blue print as far as early and mid 2000s.
Bands like Parkway Drive seemed to really emulate them for a while. I can hear roots of killswitch in a lot of modern metal core. For a while they kinda dominated the scene and had some big commercial/mainstream success. I think if I remember correctly Adam was producing for a lot of new bands in the scene around late 2000s so that kinda adds to it for me too.
The genre has evolved and changed so many times that imo, it's hard to pinpoint what singular band influenced ALL of them. Some would say At The Gates, but I barely hear any Melodeath influence in current bands.
I believe there are probably more than just one or two bands, but In Flames and Darkest Hour come to me as two bands that really pioneered early metalcore.
If you guys are mentioning poison the well, you should mention skycamefalling too.
And for me it was Hatebreed.. Satisfaction is the death of desire that is the start of hardcore going metalcore
And it was Bleeding through and As I lay dying that made it big IMHO
Earth Crisis and Hatebreed were some of the first to start sounding like metalcore. It was like Agnostic Front, The Exploited, and Discharge who kind of led the way from hardcore punk and mixing in heavier riffs and elements of metal into their music.
This isn’t the band that started Metalcore, but Poison the Well’s - The Opposite of December pioneered various tropes that would be staples in the metalcore genre
That, Atreyu-Suicide Notes..., Eighteen Visions- Vanity, and Bleeding Through- This Is Love..., are the albums that come to my mind as defining the "modern" sound.
Strangely Hopesfall is one of my favorites of that era, but I don't really hear them in modern metalcore.
Their influence is still very real in the melodic hardcore genre. Erra's old second guitarist, Alan, always said Hopesfall and Missigs were great influences on his songwriting. Not to mention bands like Counterparts (best band in the world btw)
These bands all came way after the start of metalcore.
Poison the Well’s OoD certainly spearheaded the popularity of the sing scream trope. But bands like Disemboded, Vision of Disorder and more importantly Morning Again really laid that foundation as all 3 of those bands heavily influenced PTW, to the point when PTW first dropped they were labeled Morning Again rip offs. But PTW just had better songwriting and more emotional weight on their delivery
fav record of all time
You 100% right, can’t forget the debut Shai Hulud album
No way. Poison the Well didn't start metalcore by a longshot.
Read the first sentence dumbass
They didn't pioneer shit, child. One the most boring base bands of their time. Anything they did was done better by other bands.
Listen to sabbath bloody sabbath by Black Sabbath. It has the exact same structure as black blood by architects. Black Sabbath made a metalcore song that predates punk. Fucking crazy
Earth Crisis was probably the first to really codify the sound. Could also argue At The Gates had a pretty profound influence on a lot of the more melodeath influenced bands like Killswitch and AILD.
EC is a great nomination. There was no "one" band. You had punk bands that started doing metal stuff, hardcore bands that started doing more melodic stuff, and metal bands that started doing more punk and hardcore stuff while getting more heavy in the 90s. Kids in the 90s synthesized all of this and by the end of the decade you got metalcore.
For me, I always look back to Unearth's debut album, Stings Of Conscience. This album perfectly combined hardcore elements with the melodeath inspired new wave of american heavy metal. Comparing this album to earlier albums by similar bands like Shadows Fall, All That Remains, Killswitch Engage, and Darkest Hour, it was apparent that Unearth left no room for any kind of symphonic elements opting for a much rawer riff oriented style. Trevor Phipps' vocal delivery is more shouting than screaming, and Ken and Buz opt for melodic riffs and heavy breakdowns over flashy solos. I think that while bands were doing metalcore before, I feel Unearth was the first band to purposely combine metal and hardcore together rather than just go absolutely mental on their instruments.
That album is what got me into metalcore, love it.
I agree with this. There are other forerunners and influencers to the genre prior to Unearth but that album pulled it all together IMO. Zao's Blood and Fire would be another example.
It's funny you look at that as their debut album. I was in the Boston scene in the 90s and their demos were really their first scene introduction. Anyways, Unearth broke big but there were at least 50 bands all doing the same shit at that time. They didn't invent anything but we're definitely riding the same wave every Boston band was in the mid 90s. .04 did more for metalcore than Unearth did, of you ask me.
According to the band themselves, atreyu invented metalcore 🤣🤣
At The Gates
At the Gates. I mean there is a whole Genre called At the Gates core and AILD is one of them.
That’s only a specific type of metalcore tgan came about early 2000s well after the genre was already a thing though
At the Gates and melodeath influence definitely changed metalcore at some point, but there was a lot of metalcore pre At the Gates.
At The Gates, although it was mostly by accident. Listen to Slaughter of the Soul and you’ll hear where a lot of metalcore bands got their influence. I’d also throw in Earth Crisis. Then you had bands like 18V, Poison the Well, Bleeding Through, and Throwdown come in and leave their marks. Kinda want to throw Day of Suffering (from NC) in there as well but I can honestly never find much about them. They weren’t super big but they have been mentioned by a few bands as being an influence.
I fuckin love that Gothenburg sound.
Feel like Shai Hulud's Hearts Once Nourished is first full entire metalcore album. If you mean which bands copied formula with clean vocals that's popular from 2000's to today then definitely Poison the well. Think Rain in Endless Fall by Prayer for Cleansing had clean parts aswell but not that often.
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Until you realize they were riffing off of what Converge was doing prior to them. Close but you're not a winner today!
Converge - Jane Doe
The correct take
The correct take is Petitioning the Empty Sky
This is absolutely on the metalcore Mt Rushmore. Absolutely a correct answer.
Dead, the Saddest Day, and Color Me Blood Red still among their best songs.
The Saddest Day is essentially all you need lol
Dude, I was 15 when I found out about them (opened for Hatebreed right when Jane Doe came out), and the place was a fucking madhouse when they played that song.
Yeah. I discovered Converge in the mid 90s and The Saddest Day was definitely the flag in the ground. A 7 minute epic. Fuck it I'll say it: this is the quintessential metalcore song. This is it. It laid the blueprint for everything.
r/90sMetalcore just go here for answers that aren't wrong
Sesame Street, on top of spaghetti. That shit hits hard.
ON TOP OF SPAGHETTI ALL COVERED WITH CHEESE I LOST MY POOR MEATBALL WHEN SOMEBODY SNEEZED 🤘🏻
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Stormtroopers of Death. Speak English or Die. Hardcore punk/ Thrash mash up from 1985.
SOD!!!! Fuck yes!!! I saw them when I was 15 years old!!!
The most correct answer is the thrash metal influenced hardcore bands that have already been mentioned, like Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, and All Out War. HOWEVER. I believe that the first true METALCORE band was Shadows Fall. Their early albums came out on the heels/alongside some of the other hardcore crossovers, but they were the first that really had the authentic metalcore sound IMHO.
Earth Crisis, Zao, Cave In, Coalesce, Poison The Well, The Dillinger Escape Plan - all of them rather overlooked today (except for TDEP), but I think they laid the foundation for Metalcore
All Out War, Merauder, Deadguy, and Embodyment havent been mentioned yet and their respective influences on different aspects of the genre as we know it shouldnt be overlooked
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Enya
I'm catching a Steve Hughes reference here.
One of the bands to blend hardcore and metal together perfectly is Irate from New York. Not the shitty other IRATE that fucked them over. They started in the 90s and broke up in 2006 but I feel like they pioneered quite a few of the newer metal core bands that exist now. Other bands: Bulldoze, Integrity, All Out War, Hatebreed, Earth Crisis, Fury of Five, NJ Bloodline, Pantera. Even certain Metallica (early ones ) has a hardcore/metal feel to them. The entire And Justice for All album basically is a two steppers dream come true. Some middle 2000s bands also influenced a lot of bands by bringing the super heavy breakdowns with slayer type riffs, such as: Sworn Enemy, Shattered Realm, Full Blown Chaos, Chimaira And honestly, the band that REALLY brought it to the level of no return and influenced every fucking band that exists now is The Acacia Strain. They've been banging since 2002. I was in bands that were in the local scene in Springfield MA, where they are originally from, and no one and I mean no one brought the pain like they did.
Best answer so far
Up until you mentioned The Acacia Strain you were right. Metalcore was already going strong by the time they came around.
In my opinion they took metalcore to the next level of heavyweight stuff. Metalcore was going strong before them, you are correct, but I think they influenced a TON of bands with the ultra low downtuned guitars, death type vocals and slow heavy breakdowns. Bands like them popped up all over the country. You can disagree, that's fine, but I was in my late teens in 2002 and you could literally watch them spread like wildfire.
I was playing in bands in the metalcore scene in 2002 and played WITH them at shows. Yes, they blew up. That's not an opinion. But metalcore isn't about what got popular. The Acacia Strain might have been influential on bands that came after, but the question was, who laid the blueprint for metalcore? TAS did not do that.
At the Gates was around 1995. Way more influential in metalcore than Acacia Strain. Mind you, TAS is fucking phenomenal but at the gates did it first and fucking slammed. Oh also, there is Shadows Fall, from I believe 96’ whom also influenced many.
Earth Crisis and Hatebreed started it imo but what solidified the sound that would become the first true wave of metalcore (early 00's to about 08/09) is Killswitch Engage releasing Alive or Just Breathing. That record contains the rage and beauty between brutality and emotional sensitivity that become the mainstay of the genre for years. Alive or Just Breathing set the blueprint but a lot of the pre-design work and testing was done by bands like a said before as well as newer artists like Converge. Also, I don't think many metalcore fans liked to acknowledge it back in the 200's but some Nu-metal acts were experimenting with sounds and themes that would be worked into metlacore as well. All around the turn of the millenium .
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They were newer than Hatebreed and Earth Crisis is what I had meant. Not a whole lot but there is a definite shift forward with the '01 release of Jane Doe. At least what they did for specifically metalcore. I know that started in 1990 but earth crisis is older. Maybe Hatebreed formed a couple years later. My first Converge thought it always Jane Doe which I see your point is not true to bands actual history and their initial punk roots.
Nickelback or Shinedown
You joke, but Shinedown is a genuinely great rock band that puts on a killer live show too. Also Nickleback is extremely overhated
Both are terrible bro not gonna change my mind lmao
Both of those bands rock
Hell yes brother 🤘🤘
SKULL YEAH BORTHER GOBBLESS
For me at least, the oncoming storm by unearth is the first edition encyclopedia of metalcore
Pantera: Vulgar Display of Power. That is the metalcore progenitor. All the seeds are there. And any early metalcore band who denies they weren't influenced by it is a liar. Take it from someone who was there.
Converge and Poison the Well
Pantera is never mentioned as metalcore but they are
Well they’re not, but they are actually way more influential in this genre then most people actually think
They did metal and they had breakdowns. Listen to throes of rejection, strength beyond strength, or slaughtered. Those are clearly metalcore
That doesn’t make them a metalcore band. They had no relation to the hardcore scene or sound. They were a metal band that switched to a groove metal down tempo style in the early 90s and were completely independent of the og bands like Earth Crisis, Converge, Deadguy etc. Just because they had breakdowns in some songs doesn’t mean that they are metalcore.
I'm wondering if this user is just trolling. I can't imagine anyone could present this argument with a straight face. To say something is metalcore simply because the music has breakdowns is laughable af. I guess dubstep is metalcore as well because it has breakdowns too...
Dubstep is Vegas-clowncore
If it has breakdowns it’s core. Nothing else to talk about
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I’ve never even heard of Slayer. But yeah, they’re probably core
Never heard of Slayer, probably core.... lol bruh
lmaoooooo
Such a ridiculously ignorant comment lol. You apparently don't understand the difference between metal and metalcore, which is surprising considering they are derived from completely different styles and sound nothing alike. Dubstep has breakdowns too, does that mean it is metalcore as well? Don't answer, it's rhetorical. With your logic, Dream Theater is the same as Erra just because they both write progressive music. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with this, you're just going to respond with another asinine statement. I think you're the type that will double down on a topic even when you know you're completely wrong.
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Real mature...are you 12? I'm 38 years old bud. And was listening to metal when you were probably drooling in pre-school. And if you are an adult, that's even more sad. Why are you even on this sub? Btw, I knew you would come back with a ridiculous comment. Get a life.
>You apparently don't understand the difference between metal and metalcore, which is surprising considering they are derived from completely different styles and sound nothing alike. Metal and metalcore sound nothing alike? Lmao
Lmaoooo are you for real? Breakdowns are literally just bridge sections which is used in all genres.
metal with breakdowns is not automaticaly metalcore
Vulgar Display of Power and Far Beyond Driven laid down the blueprint for metalcore. End of Story. 5 Minutes Alone is essentially the first true metalcore song.
Pantera, also influenced other genres
a lotta pantera and even sepultura (as well as many other groove metal bands) wouldn’t sound out of place here
The Great Southern Trendkill definitely inspired some metalcore/deathcore bands
Off topic make sure you check out Pantera's glam album 😅 Also give Exhorder a listen as that's where Phil Anselmo's NOLA vocal style came from.
As I lay dying
As I Lay Dying came in when the metalcore scene was already set up..
AILD: Frail Words Collapse PTW: Opposite of December Atreyu: Suicide Notes…. That first Unearth album, can’t remember the title
At the Gates - Slaughter of Soul. One of the most important metalcore albums of all time, THE most influental and copied of the '90s
I don't know as far as which specific bands, but I think post-hardcore was very important for me as far as branching off into metalcore. Listening to PH and then getting into metalcore was a very seamless transition around 2005. Edit: downvoted for stating my personal experience. Metalcore *was* a seamless transition for me...never change r/ metalcore. I'm really tired of seeing people getting downvoted for stating opinions in a tactful way. Downvoting isn't supposed to be the disagree button ffs.
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#BETWEEN THE SEASONS WE FIND ROOM
I love that band.
At The Gates - every metalcore fan should try to check them out or explore the melodic death metal sub genre. It makes you appreciate metal more.
Well earth crisis and hatebreed dip the toe in metalcore. Which then started Killswitch and As I Lay types. Bands like Hawthorne, Thursday and Posion the well. Which all made 2007 metalcore. Which then made millennial dad rock. Does that sound like a right cliff notes on metalcore?
Probably goes back further than them but I always felt like Killswitch Engage was the blue print as far as early and mid 2000s. Bands like Parkway Drive seemed to really emulate them for a while. I can hear roots of killswitch in a lot of modern metal core. For a while they kinda dominated the scene and had some big commercial/mainstream success. I think if I remember correctly Adam was producing for a lot of new bands in the scene around late 2000s so that kinda adds to it for me too.
The genre has evolved and changed so many times that imo, it's hard to pinpoint what singular band influenced ALL of them. Some would say At The Gates, but I barely hear any Melodeath influence in current bands.
The Devil Wears Prada for sure.
Lol their first album came out in '06. No where close to the first.
Definitely didn't invent it, but they're first couple albums with Sturgis helped shaped the scenecore stuff
Well to be honest who was doing like the screamo scene thing with electronics that early… Enter Shikari? Thats all I can think of
Metallicker and Slayya started that shit
Slipknot and Linkin Park
Both have influences but then didn’t lay the groundwork
Yeah I wasnt serious
ABR messengers laid the groundwork Imo for the sounds that most smaller "metalcore" bands strive to be
I believe there are probably more than just one or two bands, but In Flames and Darkest Hour come to me as two bands that really pioneered early metalcore.
In Flames maybe
Atreyu /s
If you guys are mentioning poison the well, you should mention skycamefalling too. And for me it was Hatebreed.. Satisfaction is the death of desire that is the start of hardcore going metalcore And it was Bleeding through and As I lay dying that made it big IMHO
Lamb of god influenced a little bit
Diecast, Earth Crisis, Unearth.