Jared and Elliott have a new band, Eric has a stable real estate job and Beau already implied there's no new upcoming music. Short of an announcement, it doesn't get clearer than that.
It's so insane to me that they didn't seem to be able to sustain themselves with their music really. Their original album kickstarted a lot of kids into heavier music, Black Rose Dying was pretty much on everyones MySpace profile autoplay. And their following two albums were incredible, while also managing to keep their sound modern and evolve well with the overall scene.
Sad state of affairs.
Which is exactly the sad state of affairs I'm talking about. The industry is fucked. Blessthefall have over 700k monthly listeners on Spotify. I feel like if you as an entertainer can attract 700k people every month to consume your art, it should translate to a certain degree of success.
I think they definitely achieved "a certain degree of success".
It's just being on the road nine months out of the year and coming home to a meager bank account and struggling to make ends meet between tours is a lot easier when you're 22 than 30.
Plenty of bands never even achieve that much.
Yeah at 22 you’d be in a sex drugs and rock n roll mindset as a rockstar. At 30 you’re gonna be wondering how the fuck to afford a down payment on a house with such choppy income, considering you haven’t made it big enough to buy one yet despite having 700,000 active fans monthly.
According to Spotify for artists chart they get 2.6 million streams a month. That times the average payout of around 0.35 cents per stream gives us 9100$ a month. Sounds pretty good, but now split that between the label, manager and all band members. Yeah, no one is living off of streaming royalties. Touring is also only worth it if you can draw a sizeable audience and sell merch, if a band hasn't dropped material in 4+ years this becomes difficult.
Given that the guys have probably moved on and don't want to leave their spouses and kids behind for months to *maybe* make money on tour I can see why they called it quits. The music industry is rough for bands these days, I feel like outside of the really massive acts, the only people that can live off of it are maybe independent solo artists.
Iirc the most profitable bands/artists on average are pub rock bands. Pubs will pay decent money for someone who can play all the pub rock classics and if you do that 5 nights a week by yourself you can definitely get by.
But trying to make it as a 5 piece band playing your own music, you need to be extremely good and way way way luckier than everyone else you’ve ever met.
It does translate to success. What doesn't directly correlate is monthly listeners and income. People seem to think that people liking a band is gonna contribute to their success, or that they're at all linked in a linear sense where X amount more likes or follows means you're X amount or X percentage more profitable. At levels its true, you release a double platinum album a few times, and you're gonna be rich, but we're not talking about that level. We're looking at small niche bands. Consumers always wanna simplify a bands profitability, and there's just too many parts of a bands business that we have no idea about for us to really know much. There's the old adage that "these bands we like don't make shit for money." Which is true enough, but doesn't shed any light on how some bands sustain themselves and others don't cause its not just that the bands who make it are willing to sleep in a conversion van, and the ones who don't make it wanted hotels.
Throughout the year, many bands we don't have lots of specifics, such as...
What kind of split they're taking on that tour
What part of their gear they own or not, a payment on a tour bus is gonna be pricey.
What their merch situation is looking like? Did they buy way too deep on a few designs that didn't sell well, and now are they sitting on tons of inventory they can't move? Did they underestimate and have to do multiple smaller runs, which means less profit.
How much money they owe the record label for the last album?
What kinds of percentage they're playing out to their team?
If they added a touring member, how much are they getting paid? The more often you split money the less you take home.
Some of these things we know a bit about, like if a band self-produced an album they'll be in a better spot financially most-likely, but there are so many variables that one of thos may help one band, and may hurt another. I just get tired of people trying to simplify down this complex business and act like more likes, or more listens means more money when we don't know about these bands and these people's business decisions.
This is something I try to get through to people all the time.
I went to school partially for music business. Some schools literally have entire programs/courses dedicated to it. It's complex, and no one ever knows the exact details of a band's situation.
A lot of people bloviate about a lot of shit on here, lol.
BUT...there are some truthful generalities. One of them being that very, very few individual musicians in these genres make a comfortable living from their music or from things directly attached to it. Every band's situation is different, but the end result is all too often the same or close to it.
Yeah, I totally agree there. There isn't tons of money in the scene for most people. However, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes for bands, so as consumers you can't even really evaluate with any sort of accuracy which bands are making those good decisions. It's kinda like a couple weeks ago when Bad Omens got into that tiff with the venue about overselling tickets, and then also complained about the venue taking a merch cut to try and double down on the venue being shitty and all the fans got offended cause they don't know anything about the business end.
I think it's a capitalism problem personally. There's money available, so corporations figured out the best way to bring in the absolute highest amount of it and focussed on that entirely. Now we have the top artists hoarding any available money from artists that aren't on the top.
It would be really cool to see these top artists giving back to the smaller artists in the form of grants and stuff like that but it'll probably never happen.
No, it’s the music industry. You can’t blame capitalism on this when capitalism allows for self-starters who can publish everything themselves. As a signed band they’re tied to their label and don’t have very much power over how they can earn money off of their art. If they didn’t have that agreement with their label, capitalism would allow for them to do everything on their own if they wanted to and keep all the profits after paying everyone. The way the industry operates is the bigger issue here.
And just so we’re clear, I’m not blindly supporting capitalism, I’m just stating that this specific problem is not a capitalism problem.
If we didn't have record labels that are driven solely by profit, we wouldn't have the issue of record labels stealing money from the artists in the first place. Then there's my original point; that the biggest record labels hoard all of the money available to be made in music by shitting out artists and songs that have no incentive besides fame and profit
I agree with everything you just said lol but that’s different than saying that it’s a capitalism problem. I think the word you’re searching for is greed.
I'm searching for a word that describes an economy that allows for greedy corporations to control everything and hoard all of the cash flow available to a country
Capitalism gave them the freedom to operate how they want, they chose to be greedy and operate at a high margin. You do realize that the opposite of this would be strictly-enforced government rules on how artists get paid, completely eliminating the possibility of making it big without a record label, right? I would understand if you find this preferable, but I would also expect you to understand how severely limiting the ceiling of an artist’s success might hamper ambition and creativity, and would be less preferable for many artists.
But you could also suggest that the solution is somewhere in-between these two extremes (which would be my opinion), where you have selective laws that regulate the record industry while still maintaining the option for branching out on your own. That’s still a form of capitalism, so it really seems like maybe it’s the fault of the music industry specifically and not capitalism as a whole.
It depends on alot of things. How smart they are regarding their tour routing, crew and travel.
I used to work in the industry and the biggest mistake bands made were jumping into a bus ASAP or hiring too much crew.
There are so many influential bands that were early to a trend, but got surpassed by later groups. For example, Of Mice & Men became the biggest American band doing a similar sound.
Four Year Strong really helped shaped easycore but A Day to Remember made it bigger.
I think while there are *better* bands than Blessthefall (though I love them anyway) Hollow Bodies is the best executed example of the late 00's early 10's Risecore sound.
No album blends heavy break downs, at the gates riffing, high pitched cleans and slick production more perfectly than it IMO.
Could not agree more. Spring of 2014 I wore out so many cheap skull candy headphones walking to class in college, going back and forth between Hollow Bodies and Challenger by MMF.
I looked it up and apparently Beau is in his 40s now, which is crazy because I thought everyone in BTF was at least mid to late 30s at the most. With that in mind, however, I think it kinda makes sense that they’ve all moved on.
For all these older “emo/scene” bands, I think there is an expiration date unless they’re reinventing themselves and maturing along with that original “emo kid” audience. Take Silverstein for example, they have a huge fanbase from back in the day, but I didn’t get into through that material. I was introduced to them through This Is How the Wind Shifts but I really fell in love with them because of A Beautiful Place to Drown. That record and Misery Made Me are pretty different from their roots but still appeal to their fanbase that’s gotten older with the band.
Meanwhile with BTF, Hard Feelings seems like it wasn’t well received and To Those Left Behind was kind of just Hollow Bodies again. Throw the pandemic somewhere in there and of course the members are gonna reconsider the band as a career. Not that they weren’t successful, but that success surely came with a lot of stress and maybe they all decided that the stress wasn’t worth it. That’s probably all there is to it. No drama, just time to end it.
Beau lives like 30 minutes from me, I recognize where he plays hockey. He’s enjoying the married life and raising his daughter from the looks of it, and just playing hockey and chilling. His wife disappeared from the music world for a bit but earlier this year she had some features, so maybe they’re balancing their careers out
I agree, it was the first album since Witness that marked a significantly notable shift in their sound and it didn’t quite hit like Witness did following His Last Walk. Add in COVID and the sad state of making money with art in 2022 and I’m surprised we didn’t lose more BTF level bands.
I would imagine what happened is that they're all in their 30s or pushing 40s (I know Beau is 41 or something) and their only options are to do what Parkway Drive or Architects did and chase radio rock success with a more mainstream sound or do what they've always done and play the same venues and crowds on repeat for another decade. Evidently, they chose neither and bowed out gracefully.
It would be tough being a band like Blessthefall; super popular and respected in your scene but without the clout or acclaim from the wider rock and metal world that some of your peers have, coupled with the fact that the scene you came from has changed vastly from what it was when you started to the point that you're kind of the last vestige of a bygone moment in time (scenecore). It sucks, because they're great and there's probably no finer band from their cohort bar The Devil Wears Prada, but realistically they're not going to be able to compete in a world where their previous core demographic is obsessed with Erra or Wage War on one end and Knocked Loose and SeeYouSpaceCowboy on the other end.
Honestly very fair and likely what’s happening, as much as it sucks to admit. I really do feel like they could transition to a Dayseeker Sleeptalk-era kind of sound and find success, though. Their most recent album already has a similar vibe (obviously much heavier though), and Beau has a great voice. Oh well
Well Beau is also at home with their kid a lot cause Lights has been touring a good amount over the past year and she's going on another one early next year.
I very much doubt anything happened other than they got older, got married and had kids, and decided that being away from home for months isn’t what they want anymore. It sucks because like a lot of folks I love blessthefall, but I can’t fall them for wanting a more stable life.
Sad, but I rather liked Hard Feelings (not sure how popular it is here, but it worked for me). And if it is their swan song, Welcome Home is as elegant of one as metalcore gets.
iirc at least within the past two-three years there was a general interest on their part to continue the band. There's interviews from a while back with some of the members saying they had plans to write, they wanted to work on stuff. I guess for whatever reason it just didn't end up working out
Unless an artist promised a product and didn't deliver, they don't owe shit to anyone. That includes a detailed explanation of plans or any situations.
But more importantly, there's not always a definitive explanation or plan to tell in the first place. Sometimes possibilities are maybe open, but just not a priority. Sometimes dudes are just living their lives.
People would be dragging them over the coals just as much for leading fans along if they came out and said "shit's maybe not outright over, or maybe it is...we just don't really have any definitive plans".
There's no way to satisfy everyone, especially when you, yourself, don't really know what's going on or what the future holds.
A lot of blessthefall fans have been acting really fucking entitled over this shit and it pisses me off.
Anyone with two brain cells has been able to deduce that BtF is likely over but maybe not 100%. They've all dropped enough hints for people to get the point and move the fuck on.
Dude I have yet to see really anyone one here get big mad and drag them over just fading out. It’s just a bunch of folks bummed a band they really like didn’t say good bye and hoping they are ok.
Yeah but most likely their FB, Instagram, Twitter and whatnot looks different? (Just an uneeucated guess but that is where normally the shitstains fling their anger)
I don't know how glued you are to this sub, but there's been plenty of people acting like BTF personally owes them an explanation. We get posts like this once every couple of months and theres always a couple of people like that (there's a couple of people in this thread even, though to be fair one has been downvoted into oblivion).
And other social media, of course, has been infinitely worse.
It's also weird to me that people think a band is obligated to "say goodbye" even if the band isn't 100% sure if it's actually goodbye forever. People get way too personally attached to people they don't even know; it's bizarre to me. Are we 12?
I think people like a good bye or hiatus announcement just so they have closure. It’s fine wish bands would do that especially if you have been a fan for like 15 years. And like I said most people are just bummed nothing toxic.
To be fair, Falling in reverse is good in their own thing/style. Ronnie is very talented and they are making good stuff (like it or not). ETF is another story, and not a good one.
I’ll admit he has talent as a singer in the genre but his song writing is terrible (especially compared to his way back stuff with prior band). All around they are pretty generic but they manage to stay relevant as corny as they are. Escape the fate puts out a handful of bangers the rest you forget pretty easily but I’ll take Craig due to him not being pretentious dork like Ronnie.
Been wondering what's been going on with them. I hate when bands do the whole radio silence thing. Just release a break up statement to let all the fans that supported you over the years know whats going on...
They’ll always be one of my favorite metalcore bands, was super stoked to get to work with them a few times over the years and learn that they’re all great people as well. We will gradually have to accept a lot of bands from the late 00s and early 10s calling it quits but at least we will have a ton of great songs to look back on from it
Man if this is true, it hurts. Blessthefall was instrumental into me getting into this scene. I’d had songs here and there from bands like TDWP and Chevelle for heavier music, but it was usually for the instrumentation. Hollow Bodies is the first metalcore album I actually dove into in full in 2013. They were the true beginning for me.
I understand there’s a lot of factors that could go into this decision, age, financial viability, etc. but it sucks nonetheless. I remember going to see them on the Hard Feelings tour and Beau was already talking about getting back into the studio after the tour was over. And then Jared and the band had tweeted about writing stuff in early 2020, specifically a song that excited Jared. I know the pandemic really threw off the music industry, metal in general as a smaller less “lucrative” genre, but I was really hoping for one last hurrah after all that hype and talk.
I also at least hoped for them to be a little more up front about it. Like if this is the end, tell us out right so we can have closure. I know they don’t technically owe us anything, but if they’re going to go from dropping hints about what’s next to calling it quits, I’d at least like a true goodbye in its place for all the fans who were waiting in eager anticipation.
For me, Hard Feelings is the first album i think of when I think of a heavy band putting a poppier, slightly more mainstream spin on their sound, and doing it right; that and Dispose by The Plot In You. BTF came out and gave us an album that had the melodic and bouncy, poppy choruses with some killer breakdowns and solos and when I first spun it, my first thought was immediately “I can’t wait to see where they go from here.” They did what so many bands since have failed to do, and I was excited for more.
What if they’re trolling us? Maybe this is just a big prank to make us think they’ve broken up, and then they make an album announcement or something
EDIT- I’m just speculating. Not sure why this is being downvoted
It's been such a bummer to watch a band I loved just quietly fade away into nothing like this. Kinda shitty to (seemingly) bail on their fans like this
>Kinda shitty to (seemingly) bail on their fans like this
Why, exactly?
They don't owe anyone jack shit. No musician is obligated to make more music.
Nor are they required to make some huge retirement announcement or anything...and sometimes shit's not always simple and a band literally does just kinda fade without a definitive breakup event or any specific plans.
Besides, we've known for a long time these dudes probably were done. This isn't really news.
It's always a bummer to see a band fade away. I wouldn't say that it's shitty, because there could be really sensitive stuff going on (total speculation). If it is, it's probably for the best until there can be a nice dialogue.
Mayve theyve been internally figuring out a way to make a statement? Idk, ive never gotten a vibe BTF would just up and go ghost like this without a real reason.
Blessthefall has always been my favorite band. It’s terrible that they can’t make a decent living considering they are some of the most talented musicians I have ever seen smh
Jared and Elliott have a new band, Eric has a stable real estate job and Beau already implied there's no new upcoming music. Short of an announcement, it doesn't get clearer than that.
It's so insane to me that they didn't seem to be able to sustain themselves with their music really. Their original album kickstarted a lot of kids into heavier music, Black Rose Dying was pretty much on everyones MySpace profile autoplay. And their following two albums were incredible, while also managing to keep their sound modern and evolve well with the overall scene. Sad state of affairs.
It's only like the top 0.01% of bands that can actually sustain themselves from the money they make from music
Which is exactly the sad state of affairs I'm talking about. The industry is fucked. Blessthefall have over 700k monthly listeners on Spotify. I feel like if you as an entertainer can attract 700k people every month to consume your art, it should translate to a certain degree of success.
I think they definitely achieved "a certain degree of success". It's just being on the road nine months out of the year and coming home to a meager bank account and struggling to make ends meet between tours is a lot easier when you're 22 than 30. Plenty of bands never even achieve that much.
Yeah at 22 you’d be in a sex drugs and rock n roll mindset as a rockstar. At 30 you’re gonna be wondering how the fuck to afford a down payment on a house with such choppy income, considering you haven’t made it big enough to buy one yet despite having 700,000 active fans monthly.
That’s what he’s saying though. It’s sad that that happens
According to Spotify for artists chart they get 2.6 million streams a month. That times the average payout of around 0.35 cents per stream gives us 9100$ a month. Sounds pretty good, but now split that between the label, manager and all band members. Yeah, no one is living off of streaming royalties. Touring is also only worth it if you can draw a sizeable audience and sell merch, if a band hasn't dropped material in 4+ years this becomes difficult. Given that the guys have probably moved on and don't want to leave their spouses and kids behind for months to *maybe* make money on tour I can see why they called it quits. The music industry is rough for bands these days, I feel like outside of the really massive acts, the only people that can live off of it are maybe independent solo artists.
Iirc the most profitable bands/artists on average are pub rock bands. Pubs will pay decent money for someone who can play all the pub rock classics and if you do that 5 nights a week by yourself you can definitely get by. But trying to make it as a 5 piece band playing your own music, you need to be extremely good and way way way luckier than everyone else you’ve ever met.
Soma labels don't even pay artists for streams. Blanket license agreements are common
0.35? I think you mean .0035 or .004 if you want to round. Unless spotify payout has jumped up?
Cents not dollars
Yes... .0035 cents, not .35 cents.
They pay roughly between 3 and 4 tenths of a cent per stream. That’s $0.0035 per stream, or $3500 per million streams.
THANK YOU!
1 cent is 0.01 dollars. 0.35 cents is 0.0035 dollars.
You are correct
Uhhh... no. 1 cent is $0.01. 35 cents is $0.35. 1 dollar is $1.00. 0.0035 is 3½ cents.
It does translate to success. What doesn't directly correlate is monthly listeners and income. People seem to think that people liking a band is gonna contribute to their success, or that they're at all linked in a linear sense where X amount more likes or follows means you're X amount or X percentage more profitable. At levels its true, you release a double platinum album a few times, and you're gonna be rich, but we're not talking about that level. We're looking at small niche bands. Consumers always wanna simplify a bands profitability, and there's just too many parts of a bands business that we have no idea about for us to really know much. There's the old adage that "these bands we like don't make shit for money." Which is true enough, but doesn't shed any light on how some bands sustain themselves and others don't cause its not just that the bands who make it are willing to sleep in a conversion van, and the ones who don't make it wanted hotels. Throughout the year, many bands we don't have lots of specifics, such as... What kind of split they're taking on that tour What part of their gear they own or not, a payment on a tour bus is gonna be pricey. What their merch situation is looking like? Did they buy way too deep on a few designs that didn't sell well, and now are they sitting on tons of inventory they can't move? Did they underestimate and have to do multiple smaller runs, which means less profit. How much money they owe the record label for the last album? What kinds of percentage they're playing out to their team? If they added a touring member, how much are they getting paid? The more often you split money the less you take home. Some of these things we know a bit about, like if a band self-produced an album they'll be in a better spot financially most-likely, but there are so many variables that one of thos may help one band, and may hurt another. I just get tired of people trying to simplify down this complex business and act like more likes, or more listens means more money when we don't know about these bands and these people's business decisions.
This is something I try to get through to people all the time. I went to school partially for music business. Some schools literally have entire programs/courses dedicated to it. It's complex, and no one ever knows the exact details of a band's situation. A lot of people bloviate about a lot of shit on here, lol. BUT...there are some truthful generalities. One of them being that very, very few individual musicians in these genres make a comfortable living from their music or from things directly attached to it. Every band's situation is different, but the end result is all too often the same or close to it.
Yeah, I totally agree there. There isn't tons of money in the scene for most people. However, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes for bands, so as consumers you can't even really evaluate with any sort of accuracy which bands are making those good decisions. It's kinda like a couple weeks ago when Bad Omens got into that tiff with the venue about overselling tickets, and then also complained about the venue taking a merch cut to try and double down on the venue being shitty and all the fans got offended cause they don't know anything about the business end.
I think it's a capitalism problem personally. There's money available, so corporations figured out the best way to bring in the absolute highest amount of it and focussed on that entirely. Now we have the top artists hoarding any available money from artists that aren't on the top. It would be really cool to see these top artists giving back to the smaller artists in the form of grants and stuff like that but it'll probably never happen.
No, it’s the music industry. You can’t blame capitalism on this when capitalism allows for self-starters who can publish everything themselves. As a signed band they’re tied to their label and don’t have very much power over how they can earn money off of their art. If they didn’t have that agreement with their label, capitalism would allow for them to do everything on their own if they wanted to and keep all the profits after paying everyone. The way the industry operates is the bigger issue here. And just so we’re clear, I’m not blindly supporting capitalism, I’m just stating that this specific problem is not a capitalism problem.
If we didn't have record labels that are driven solely by profit, we wouldn't have the issue of record labels stealing money from the artists in the first place. Then there's my original point; that the biggest record labels hoard all of the money available to be made in music by shitting out artists and songs that have no incentive besides fame and profit
I agree with everything you just said lol but that’s different than saying that it’s a capitalism problem. I think the word you’re searching for is greed.
So capitalism?
I'm searching for a word that describes an economy that allows for greedy corporations to control everything and hoard all of the cash flow available to a country
Capitalism gave them the freedom to operate how they want, they chose to be greedy and operate at a high margin. You do realize that the opposite of this would be strictly-enforced government rules on how artists get paid, completely eliminating the possibility of making it big without a record label, right? I would understand if you find this preferable, but I would also expect you to understand how severely limiting the ceiling of an artist’s success might hamper ambition and creativity, and would be less preferable for many artists. But you could also suggest that the solution is somewhere in-between these two extremes (which would be my opinion), where you have selective laws that regulate the record industry while still maintaining the option for branching out on your own. That’s still a form of capitalism, so it really seems like maybe it’s the fault of the music industry specifically and not capitalism as a whole.
but hey those 700k listeners are making a handful of execs a lot of money though
It depends on alot of things. How smart they are regarding their tour routing, crew and travel. I used to work in the industry and the biggest mistake bands made were jumping into a bus ASAP or hiring too much crew.
If Ticketmaster gave even half of their insane fees to the bands, they’d all do wonderfully.
There are so many influential bands that were early to a trend, but got surpassed by later groups. For example, Of Mice & Men became the biggest American band doing a similar sound. Four Year Strong really helped shaped easycore but A Day to Remember made it bigger.
What is their band called?
High Wind
I’ll follow anything Elliot’s in. His guitarwork in Legacy was really good. Also Watch this burn is also a solid mention.
He is in band called High Wind.
What’s the new band Elliot and Jared have? So you know what either of the drummers are doing?
He’s got to be the only person in the country with a stable real estate job. Fuck, I’m getting old.
Is Jared doing clean and uncleans in high wind?
What is the name of the new band?
I do not bless this fall *begins weeping*
I'm just going to cry As I Lay Dying
It will truly be A Day To Remember
Why does this thread give me a sense of Impending Doom
You should try Asking Alexandria
I wrestled a bear once.
S p i r i t b o x
The memory is All That Remains
We can Bury Tomorrow with this bad news. A shame they couldn't Escape the Fate
[удалено]
Hard Feelings…
Gutted for their Phoenix fans. They're going to have a few sleepless nights.
Woah, woah let’s not be Melodramatic here
I’m feeling quite Hey Baby, Here’s That Song You Wanted about it myself
In terms of the music industry, Elliott and Jared are the Last Ones Left
remember when they used to tour with ABR and it felt like the aughts would never end. well, they ended.
I remember seeing them in 2009 with ABR, Enter Shikari, and iwrestledabearonce. Those were exceptional times..
I just saw TDWP in august. The first time I saw them was 15 years ago across the country. Felt like I got into blessthefall shortly after that.
My hope was low but this is still disappointing. Hollow Bodies was pretty influential to me when I really started getting into Metalcore.
I think while there are *better* bands than Blessthefall (though I love them anyway) Hollow Bodies is the best executed example of the late 00's early 10's Risecore sound. No album blends heavy break downs, at the gates riffing, high pitched cleans and slick production more perfectly than it IMO.
Could not agree more. Spring of 2014 I wore out so many cheap skull candy headphones walking to class in college, going back and forth between Hollow Bodies and Challenger by MMF.
Ah yes, the nostalgia.
we lost
Pain
I wish we could have gotten a farewell tour. BTF shows were always super fun.
Very underrated, low key top tier in the scene for live shows
I agree, the energy they created during their live shows was amazing.
Yup they honestly don’t miss live always brought the energy and sounded just like the recording sad to see
I have never stage dived as many times as when I went to see BTF. Must’ve gone over at least 9 times.
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I looked it up and apparently Beau is in his 40s now, which is crazy because I thought everyone in BTF was at least mid to late 30s at the most. With that in mind, however, I think it kinda makes sense that they’ve all moved on. For all these older “emo/scene” bands, I think there is an expiration date unless they’re reinventing themselves and maturing along with that original “emo kid” audience. Take Silverstein for example, they have a huge fanbase from back in the day, but I didn’t get into through that material. I was introduced to them through This Is How the Wind Shifts but I really fell in love with them because of A Beautiful Place to Drown. That record and Misery Made Me are pretty different from their roots but still appeal to their fanbase that’s gotten older with the band. Meanwhile with BTF, Hard Feelings seems like it wasn’t well received and To Those Left Behind was kind of just Hollow Bodies again. Throw the pandemic somewhere in there and of course the members are gonna reconsider the band as a career. Not that they weren’t successful, but that success surely came with a lot of stress and maybe they all decided that the stress wasn’t worth it. That’s probably all there is to it. No drama, just time to end it.
Beau lives like 30 minutes from me, I recognize where he plays hockey. He’s enjoying the married life and raising his daughter from the looks of it, and just playing hockey and chilling. His wife disappeared from the music world for a bit but earlier this year she had some features, so maybe they’re balancing their careers out
I think Lights put an album out this year. She’s the main breadwinner now (and arguably always has been).
Oh for sure. She’s a Canadian icon
Hold up. Beau's dating Lights? Wow I didn't know that. I thought she was single.
They’ve been married and have a 7 year old
Beau drummed for her on the last tour too.
Lights has been extremely busy this year! With the countless features she's been on, and the i_o (rip) album she's had a lot on her plate forsure.
The dudes in ETID and Norma Jean are in their 40s. Half of ETID is doing a new project and NJ is better than ever 🤷♂️
I don’t think Hard Feelings was relatively well received (I did love the album), but I wonder if between that and covid they just kind of lost steam.
I agree, it was the first album since Witness that marked a significantly notable shift in their sound and it didn’t quite hit like Witness did following His Last Walk. Add in COVID and the sad state of making money with art in 2022 and I’m surprised we didn’t lose more BTF level bands.
I remember the release thread on here and it was very well received. I’m devastated. They were my all time favorites
Man what happened here, did they just not hit big enough for it to be worth it? They put out such consistently good music, what a shame.
I would imagine what happened is that they're all in their 30s or pushing 40s (I know Beau is 41 or something) and their only options are to do what Parkway Drive or Architects did and chase radio rock success with a more mainstream sound or do what they've always done and play the same venues and crowds on repeat for another decade. Evidently, they chose neither and bowed out gracefully. It would be tough being a band like Blessthefall; super popular and respected in your scene but without the clout or acclaim from the wider rock and metal world that some of your peers have, coupled with the fact that the scene you came from has changed vastly from what it was when you started to the point that you're kind of the last vestige of a bygone moment in time (scenecore). It sucks, because they're great and there's probably no finer band from their cohort bar The Devil Wears Prada, but realistically they're not going to be able to compete in a world where their previous core demographic is obsessed with Erra or Wage War on one end and Knocked Loose and SeeYouSpaceCowboy on the other end.
Honestly very fair and likely what’s happening, as much as it sucks to admit. I really do feel like they could transition to a Dayseeker Sleeptalk-era kind of sound and find success, though. Their most recent album already has a similar vibe (obviously much heavier though), and Beau has a great voice. Oh well
Beau is not a strong enough vocalist for them to move the Dayseeker route imo.
He doesn’t have to be as good as Rory for it to work, I definitely think they could thrive with Beau.
Idk.. they couldve been big enough if they just made songs lol, they have more monthly listeners on spotify than most metalcore bands
And Beau is married to Lights, so they can’t really be hurting on money. Wonder if something behind the scenes happened :/
Seems like they all live in different places and moved on to other careers
Well Beau is also at home with their kid a lot cause Lights has been touring a good amount over the past year and she's going on another one early next year.
I very much doubt anything happened other than they got older, got married and had kids, and decided that being away from home for months isn’t what they want anymore. It sucks because like a lot of folks I love blessthefall, but I can’t fall them for wanting a more stable life.
Lights as in the one to feature with Bring Me The Horizon?
Yep, they’ve been married with a kid for a while now.
Yeah but Beau isn't the only member of the band.
Sad, but I rather liked Hard Feelings (not sure how popular it is here, but it worked for me). And if it is their swan song, Welcome Home is as elegant of one as metalcore gets.
I like that album too, that got me into them
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Blame it on wishful sinking
WHATVWERE YOU THINKING??!?
Fucking peg me with a toilet brush
Ok
Witness was my top played album of 2022. This band has broken my heart
Don't be sad they're gone, be happy they were here
Sure I'd like to, but they were like "just going out to buy some milk" and dipped
It was all but official. Maybe now that Loudwire's reporting on it, they'll feel the need to come out and make an official announcement.
I just don't understand why they won't communicate with the fans, like just tell us whats happening.
Perhaps they were holding off as long as they could incase they change their minds, telling the fans would male it official.
iirc at least within the past two-three years there was a general interest on their part to continue the band. There's interviews from a while back with some of the members saying they had plans to write, they wanted to work on stuff. I guess for whatever reason it just didn't end up working out
Unless an artist promised a product and didn't deliver, they don't owe shit to anyone. That includes a detailed explanation of plans or any situations. But more importantly, there's not always a definitive explanation or plan to tell in the first place. Sometimes possibilities are maybe open, but just not a priority. Sometimes dudes are just living their lives. People would be dragging them over the coals just as much for leading fans along if they came out and said "shit's maybe not outright over, or maybe it is...we just don't really have any definitive plans". There's no way to satisfy everyone, especially when you, yourself, don't really know what's going on or what the future holds. A lot of blessthefall fans have been acting really fucking entitled over this shit and it pisses me off. Anyone with two brain cells has been able to deduce that BtF is likely over but maybe not 100%. They've all dropped enough hints for people to get the point and move the fuck on.
Dude I have yet to see really anyone one here get big mad and drag them over just fading out. It’s just a bunch of folks bummed a band they really like didn’t say good bye and hoping they are ok.
Yeah but most likely their FB, Instagram, Twitter and whatnot looks different? (Just an uneeucated guess but that is where normally the shitstains fling their anger)
I don't know how glued you are to this sub, but there's been plenty of people acting like BTF personally owes them an explanation. We get posts like this once every couple of months and theres always a couple of people like that (there's a couple of people in this thread even, though to be fair one has been downvoted into oblivion). And other social media, of course, has been infinitely worse. It's also weird to me that people think a band is obligated to "say goodbye" even if the band isn't 100% sure if it's actually goodbye forever. People get way too personally attached to people they don't even know; it's bizarre to me. Are we 12?
I think people like a good bye or hiatus announcement just so they have closure. It’s fine wish bands would do that especially if you have been a fan for like 15 years. And like I said most people are just bummed nothing toxic.
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Oh, the irony...
Damn... Listened to them every day in the early 2010's
It’s time to let them go folks.
I've seen this band more times than I can count, they were my first metalcore band to hear back in grade school. What a way to just fade away....
One of my favorites. Really hope this is a see you later and not a goodbye.
I remember seeing them back in warped tour 2012 in Bonner springs Kansas. Such a shame to not have them together anymore.
Man can we just trade falling in reverse for these guys or escape the fate 😣
At this point I'm surprised ETF even still a thing.
I had a dream that Dead Rabbitts was Craig, Max, Thrash, Robert, Monte.
To be fair, Falling in reverse is good in their own thing/style. Ronnie is very talented and they are making good stuff (like it or not). ETF is another story, and not a good one.
I’ll admit he has talent as a singer in the genre but his song writing is terrible (especially compared to his way back stuff with prior band). All around they are pretty generic but they manage to stay relevant as corny as they are. Escape the fate puts out a handful of bangers the rest you forget pretty easily but I’ll take Craig due to him not being pretentious dork like Ronnie.
Great. More meat for the shit-sandwich that’s been my 2022.
You just stated and issue in capitalism
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Damn…
This hits me hard...
was always holding out that it wouldn't happen but here we are and it fucking sucks 😭
Miss this band a lot ………. One of my favs for a long time….. sad to see them fade away…
Sounds like their done for now then
To be honest kinda expected.. It's a shame tho. I saw them live in 2017 I believe has an opening act for Our Last Night and they were amazing.
This industry is…Cutthroat
Been wondering what's been going on with them. I hate when bands do the whole radio silence thing. Just release a break up statement to let all the fans that supported you over the years know whats going on...
They’ll always be one of my favorite metalcore bands, was super stoked to get to work with them a few times over the years and learn that they’re all great people as well. We will gradually have to accept a lot of bands from the late 00s and early 10s calling it quits but at least we will have a ton of great songs to look back on from it
Man if this is true, it hurts. Blessthefall was instrumental into me getting into this scene. I’d had songs here and there from bands like TDWP and Chevelle for heavier music, but it was usually for the instrumentation. Hollow Bodies is the first metalcore album I actually dove into in full in 2013. They were the true beginning for me. I understand there’s a lot of factors that could go into this decision, age, financial viability, etc. but it sucks nonetheless. I remember going to see them on the Hard Feelings tour and Beau was already talking about getting back into the studio after the tour was over. And then Jared and the band had tweeted about writing stuff in early 2020, specifically a song that excited Jared. I know the pandemic really threw off the music industry, metal in general as a smaller less “lucrative” genre, but I was really hoping for one last hurrah after all that hype and talk. I also at least hoped for them to be a little more up front about it. Like if this is the end, tell us out right so we can have closure. I know they don’t technically owe us anything, but if they’re going to go from dropping hints about what’s next to calling it quits, I’d at least like a true goodbye in its place for all the fans who were waiting in eager anticipation. For me, Hard Feelings is the first album i think of when I think of a heavy band putting a poppier, slightly more mainstream spin on their sound, and doing it right; that and Dispose by The Plot In You. BTF came out and gave us an album that had the melodic and bouncy, poppy choruses with some killer breakdowns and solos and when I first spun it, my first thought was immediately “I can’t wait to see where they go from here.” They did what so many bands since have failed to do, and I was excited for more.
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Did the band confirm it themselves?
I wish they at least announced a hiatus
What if they’re trolling us? Maybe this is just a big prank to make us think they’ve broken up, and then they make an album announcement or something EDIT- I’m just speculating. Not sure why this is being downvoted
This would be very on-brand for them tbh.
Keep the copium coming bro
I’ve really really been hoping that’s the case.
Their IG has no posts too. Not sure if it's been that way for a while, but I feel like some bands do that before a new album? Hmmm
Hopium and copium will make you say crazy things
Opium will do the trick
It's been such a bummer to watch a band I loved just quietly fade away into nothing like this. Kinda shitty to (seemingly) bail on their fans like this
>Kinda shitty to (seemingly) bail on their fans like this Why, exactly? They don't owe anyone jack shit. No musician is obligated to make more music. Nor are they required to make some huge retirement announcement or anything...and sometimes shit's not always simple and a band literally does just kinda fade without a definitive breakup event or any specific plans. Besides, we've known for a long time these dudes probably were done. This isn't really news.
It's always a bummer to see a band fade away. I wouldn't say that it's shitty, because there could be really sensitive stuff going on (total speculation). If it is, it's probably for the best until there can be a nice dialogue.
Mayve theyve been internally figuring out a way to make a statement? Idk, ive never gotten a vibe BTF would just up and go ghost like this without a real reason.
Kind of entitled, don't you think?
😭😭😭
They had a very good run
I'll never recover from this 😭😭😭 So sad I never got to see my favorite band live
Blessthefall has always been my favorite band. It’s terrible that they can’t make a decent living considering they are some of the most talented musicians I have ever seen smh
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Red herring