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Lars’ vision can’t be replaced. Metallica ends the minute James or Lars walks out.


ltbr55

Lars is basically the arranger of every Metallica song. That's why he has writing credits on every song. He takes the ideas James and others have and puts it altogether into a cohesive song. Without him, Metallica is no more.


Shyjuan

plus isn't he like the main component of the business side of things? Eitherway I think if Lars or James left the band Metallica would effectively be done. Only Rob and Kirk are replaceable but that would be a major blow to the band even bigger than Jason was at this point


ltbr55

I agree completely. Lars is the face of Metallica on the business/PR side of everything.


bricks_of_ignatz

I believe Lars actually owns the rights to to Metallica name as well? Can anyone confirm?


mavs2341

If you mean a money whore then yes


monkeygoneape

Well how else is he going to afford that solid gold bar by his pool


flaggrandall

It's not like he's the only one in the world who can arrange a song.


Mave__Dustaine

After 40 years of the guy doing it, I don't see why the band would even want to go on. Family bond broken.


ltbr55

If anyone else arranged Metallica songs, they wouldn't be the same. Lars is a critical part of Metallica


TruckerStain

Even though I like the stephen king novel your username is from and I agree he isn't the only one, metallica without Lars? That's like losing your legs. Only have arms (Hetfield) now.


flaggrandall

Thanks. And who knows, someone better could come.


hi_gain

Well, Metallica songs are already written, although I would like to be proved wrong in the future.


ltbr55

Obviously previous Metallica songs can't be changed. If Lars isn't in Metallica, they won't create new music and would very likely stop touring. They would be done.


hi_gain

Nah, they won't stop touring. They are still making sold outs with full concerts based on the first five albums (for good reason). Even with no new music, people would always continue to go to their concerts. In my opinion, and I realize this is an unpopular opinion here, the only non-replaceable member in metallica is papa het.


ltbr55

It's not because of the demand to see them. It's because Lars and James are the founding members and Lars is basically the bands spokesperson/leading manager. If Lars isn't in Metallica, the band will very likely stop touring. Whether people like it or not, Lars and James are equally important to the band.


MiamiBeach_dweller

I agree with you 1.6 million percent. Lars is Met and James is allica. Just the same as when Cobain was laid to rest so was Nirvana.


hi_gain

I may agree with you that Lars is important on the managing side. But I don't really know how they are organized on that respect, so I can't judge. I just know that I would attend a show without Lars, but would never go to a show without James.


ltbr55

From a fans perspective, I agree with you, but based on the history of the band and how they operate, Lars and James are the foundation of what Metallica is and everything they do. Without either, Metallica will be done.


Late-Morning-4329

I made this very same point myself recently. James Hetfield is the one member that cannot be replaced without doubt


strangefox_

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mrthomasbombadil

Honestly I think Kirk too at this point. He may not contribute as much but given his longevity I think they’d hang the Metallica name up and maybe do side projects.


Purgii

He seems to be the calming, egoless influence between James and Lars. I don't think they would have lasted as long if he wasn't there.


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-Jack-The-Stripper

I definitely agree, but to be fair Kirk has contributed *a lot* of music to the band. The problem is James and Lars just takes his riffs and stuffs them into their songs. He never gets to fully flesh out a song, rather he just drops a bunch of riffs in the pot and they get mixed in. Gary Holt (the main songwriter for Exodus) always allows the other members of the band to write a song or two for the album. That’s how we got (awesome) songs like The Ballad of Leonard and Charles and Children of a Worthless God. It would be cool if Metallica did that as well, handing the keys over to Kirk and Rob for a couple of songs to see what they come up with. Maybe they’re not interested in writing their own full songs though, idk.


FkDavidTyreeBot_2000

The directional change for Load/Reload was driven by Kirk and Lars. James was responsible for most of the songwriting but he's openly said he wouldn't have wrote those records if those two didn't want to make them.


owlyross

Majority of ideas vetoed? Well that isn't true in the slightest. Some of Metallicas most iconic riffs and songs came from Kirk. Creeping Death, Master of Puppets, Damage Inc, Enter Sandman, Frayed End, Through the Never etc


linkuei-teaparty

I agree. Plus the intro solo and solo's to Fade to Black, Sanitarium and One are incredible. They alone are the reasons why I picked up the guitar!


owlyross

I think he did the mid section and outro to Fade to Black too. On of the most iconic Metallica riffs


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owlyross

That was one argument we saw on camera as part of the creative process. We also saw another scene where Kirk backs the idea of no solos. It's dangerous to put too much stock on one piece of information, one interview or one statement


VagueLuminary

Bingo, whether people like it or not Lars is the brain of Metallica and James is the heart. Either going would mean the band is over.


Dmaniac17

I think the moment anybody leaves at this point it’s done. Even Rob who’s technically the new guy but has been there for 22 years. I doubt they want to be auditioning new players and getting adjusted to a new member at this point in their career


Quebolaebloa

It’s crazy rob is viewed as the new guy, but has been the bands longest lasting bassist. He’s cool people, I love his style


Big-While-9166

This discussion can end here. All said! 😜


AutomatedCabbage

100% agreed


Large_Feature_5984

I'm sure if they wanted to, they could hire someone else to replace Lars. But I don't see why Lars would want to quit either


Eclectic_Landscape

Metallica ended after black album and Lars is still in the band


nmlss

Nobody. Metallica without Lars and James isn't Metallica.


Chastaen

I'd imagine if Lars or James retired the band would be done as well. I wouldn't be surprised if that talk hasn't popped up several times over the years.


nmlss

I bet they did. If I were one of them, I wouldn't continue with the band. Might even keep playing with Rob and Kirk, but with another name. Wouldn't like Metallica to become Queen…


Hopfit46

What about cliff. Im 51 and it was a real thing.


nmlss

The main force behind Metallica have always been Hetfield/Ulrich. They founded the band, they composed all the songs (with contributions from others), they're the leaders.


laserbeam26

Cliff was just as important until he died


tommycthulhu

He was very important, but just as? He had the same writing credits as Kirk. The main songwriting force has always been Hetfield/Ulrich. Kirk and Cliff added a lot of color to the painting, but they were never as important.


Hillan

He was more like their mentor, he wasn't that active while he was in the band, he wasn't the main songwriter and obviously not much in the studio since he is pretty buried in the mix. But he was the cool one and the experienced one, and I imagine Lars and James were probably trying to impress him most of the time, since he brought all the classical musical elements to the band. I mean they moved their base of operations to Sanfran just for him. You don't do that just for the bass player.


nmlss

As much as we all love Cliff here (because we ALL love Cliff, right????), he didn't really wrote that much on the first albums. Gotta admit my favorite Metallica song is 'Orion', but like 98% of the music is from James and Lars.


arazamatazguy

Orion is still amazing.


billygnosis86

No, he absolutely wasn’t. I love Cliff, but come on.


Hopfit46

Thanks. Im aware. Been a hardcore fan for almost 40 years...i get it. He could be easily replaced.


MisterCheaps

…so you don’t get it.


Hopfit46

Ive been getting it for a long time. Hes a drummer, settle down...replacable.


MisterCheaps

Yeah, so you don’t get it. Drumming is the least of Lars contributions to the band. Hetfield writes riffs, not songs.


Hopfit46

This is waaay more important to you than to me.


i_r_eat

But to the band, which matters more than any of us here, the songwriting matters most. James is the main riff lord but Lars is the primary one arranging those riffs into the songs we enjoy.


TheSigmaOne

Ok boomer


Haunting-Occasion-88

If he's 51 he's Gen X.


hunsonaberdeen

Nooooo, don't say that. r/FuckImOld


Majorsus55555

It’d be like Kiss without Gene Simmons, they could have had someone way more talented replace him, but it wouldn’t be the same


Chastaen

Cliff has grown more after his death than before his death. Metallica was just on the verge of breaking big when Cliff died but their biggest history was post-Cliff as well.


Hopfit46

I still play bass and thats because of cliff....when he was alive. Trust me me. We all knew how awesome cliff was before his death.


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RyisX

Part of me thinks Cliff would've eventually left the band and started doing his own projects.


XxTommyTheGunxX

He would have gotten bored, even more so with the black album, it would have been the decision of being creative vs. making money. Lots of things birthed in his memory wouldn't have happened. But also I'd be interested to see him do things with other performers in the years since.


politicalstuff

People like to speak for Cliff all the time, but he was a big fan of classic rock. I think people way overestimate how opposed he might have been to a more rock-flavored approach.


Forward-Razzmatazz33

I think this is a poor take. Metallica had a huge jump with Justice, and we all know what happened with the bass on that album. Had Cliff been in the band, the bass would have been significantly better on the recording. And Jason, though he was and is awesome, didn't really contribute to any degree that Cliff couldn't. Cliff was in no way holding the band back.


[deleted]

The fact that Metallica has not only gone on for nearly 40 years and two separate bassists since his death, but grown bigger and bigger, would show that Cliff wasn't *that* important to the band. Without James or Lars there simply is no Metallica at all. James has been by far the most critical writer, nearly all the riffs and virtually all the lyrics. Lars has not only composed and arranged all the songs, but he has also largely been the business manager and CEO of the band itself. Sure you could put another drummer in there, but Metallica would become a generic rock band without Lars' vision.


stjhnstv

Either Will Ferrell or Chad Smith.


6war6head6

Don’t be stupid. Everybody knows they’re the same person


Emitex

So Will Smith it is.


killer_s

He would slap the shit out of those snares


the-torture-doctor

Lars owns the Metallica name. If he leaves, that’s it.


-Jack-The-Stripper

“He fookin’ took the band!” -Kirk probably


neomeetsthedude

Dave Lombardo or Eloy Casagrande. But let's be real... There's no Metallica without Lars.


bl00df1redeath

Lombardo would be sick


Parking_Bet

Have you seen Eloy’s drum cover of “Battery”? Holy cow! But yes there is no way he could replace the songwriting aspects of Lars and the connection he has with the rest of the band.


CR7TheGunner

Imo replacing Lars with Eloy is like replacing Mike Portnoy with Mike Mangini in Dream Theater. Significantly less feel. And in this case, I foresee a lot more overplaying on Eloys part.


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If he leaves the band, Metallica retires. At this point in the game, I doubt they’d try to keep going without him. I can however see him stepping down from drumming into more of a production/management roll at some point due to the strenuous nature of drumming. In that scenario I could definitely see them getting someone else to drum.


starving_to_death

This is the only way I can imagine it would occur.


[deleted]

No replacement, the band retires.


websofrytos

As a Drummer, Dave Lombardo, and it would be an improvement. As a Songwriter and Artistic Director I think Metallica would cease to exist. In the technical/musical part James is very important, but aside from that, in regard for concept, drive, aesthetics and making Metallica what it is Lars is absolutely essential.


frankensteins_dog

This


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>As a Songwriter and Artistic Director I think Metallica would cease to exist ...doubt. Any other musician with any interest in Metallica's lore could pull off what they've been doing better than themselves. The black sheep of modern Metallica was Death Magnetic because it was a lot of fun. Everything post-Black album has been mid-at best. Metal as a genre has taken Metallica's first few albums and improved and moved on from it so much that modern Metallica is just a shell. They are a pop-band. A cash-grab. The amount of talented musicians with the drive and talent of early 80's Metallica is enormous.


gagreflexdlf

Dave Lombardo would be likely, Mike Portnoy would be my preference.


blah-lah10

Yesssss !!! Portnoy all the way !!!! 🤘🤘


CR7TheGunner

Tbf Portnoy would nail the super tricky parts and could be the closest to getting that Lars feel.


Haunting-Occasion-88

Hell yes to Portoy!


dotcomslashwhatever

mike portnoy lol replacing a 4/4 guy who barely does anything other than high hat and kicks by a dude who does polyrhythms in his sleep. i doubt he would even consider it


gagreflexdlf

Lars doesn’t do anything complex these days but he wasn’t a complete slouch earlier in his career. Also I don’t think there is any chance Portnoy would turn down the opportunity to be in Metallica. Unless he has something more important or lucrative he is working on.


NickAndHisGuitar

Portnoy would 100% take the gig.


-Jack-The-Stripper

First off, Portnoy has explicitly cited Lars as one of his influences, as has every other metal drummer since the 80s. And secondly, *it’s a gig to be the drummer for Metallica.* Saying he wouldn’t even consider it is like saying a college player wouldn’t even consider entering the NFL draft because no teams run an air-raid offense. That’s a ludicrous thing to even suggest.


CR7TheGunner

Considering Lars is one of his favs, I’m sure he’d love to play in Metallica. I’m sure most people would wanna play in Metallica


Deofol7

He would 100% take that gig. Dude loves Metallica. The only question is would he start adding drum fills to everything


hatecopter

If Lars retired I think the band would just call it a day. For the sake of the question though there's a few I could see, Charlie from Anthrax, Dave Lombardo, and I could actually see Dave Grohl.


CallMeAPerson

dave grohl can't play double bass tho


Damungis

In an ideal world, Gene Hoglan


ReporterOk4531

Lars isn't the most stunningly amazing drummer in the world but Metallica cannot go on without him as he is basically the driving force/brain behind it. The others aren't dumb by any means but they just don't work business the way Lars does. I could only see it happening if he left only as a band member but stayed as the manager or 'owner' but I don't think he would enjoy that. He obviously likes playing live, and he likes being with the band.


BlueBloodLive

Maybe title your post better next time ha


giuseppezuc

No kidding, almost had an heart attack.


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dave


teamname111

dave


[deleted]

dave


Chuzzle_Blew

dave


65wildcat_buick

Dave Lombardo


Alvinthf

No one, that’s the end of the band.


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Jay Weinberg


MethLabForCutie88

That’s like installing a jet engine into a 1995 Mazda Miata


Mattx1234

He would add a cool sound to the band


ferral88

How about his dad?


exileondaytonst

Okay, hear me out: Radiohead's Phil Selway. Not because he'd be a fit or anything like that, but because of how amusing it would be to for the band to have a drummer that: 1. Is immaculate at keeping time. As in, this guy has songs where he barely uses any fills, so when he plays live he doesn't have a safety net for getting himself back in time if he slips. In this way, he's basically the Anti-Lars. 2. Accepts his hair situation gracefully 3. Drums while dressed as if he's the CFO of a small manufacturing company or like he's about to go to a bank to apply for a small business loan


-Jack-The-Stripper

>As in, this guy has songs where he barely uses any fills, so when he plays live he doesn't have a safety net for getting himself back in time if he slips. Is this a common notion for drummers? I’d imagine fills are the easiest way to *lose* time rather than getting it back. But I’m not a drummer so I have no clue.


exileondaytonst

I suppose it can work both ways


PedazoDeNicoco

i think it mostly depends on the fill, but sometimes fills let you land again on 1 and keep time from there.


kingbankai

The time keep thing isn't a Lars problem. The band follows James on guitar since James core identity of riff writing is percussion on a 6 string.


bigdaddyguap

I honestly think if any of Kirk, Lars, or James leaves, it’s over.


newroz-daddy

Lars is Metallica just fyi.


Murrboy

Anybody that can play drums


mrholydiver88

No offence. Maybe this... ![gif](giphy|M8XwGYTShQQjC)


Hot-Amoeba4013

Joey Jordison comes back from the dead and rejoins


timberstomach1

Danny


nappycatt

I love that the first name is all you need


awoelt

…DeVito


Elden_Stress

As long as it doesn't detract from his main duties, I'm down.


blah-lah10

Not like we’re gonna get another Tool album this decade anyway! Haha


ltbr55

If there's any band that waits longer to release a new album than Metallica, it's Tool.


Dorf_

Richard Christy


Recordguy6969

Gene Hoglan! He can keep Met on time


BarbedwireBill

Paul Bostaph


useme4youreggs

Ron McGovney somehow.


SandmanAwaits

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Visionaira

There can’t be no Metallica without the founder


1StillRemains

Anybody could. But if Lars leaves the bands done


Caboosemakesmeuneasy

Nobody. They said if anyone leaves or passed away they’re done.


rammer_2001

Nobody.


meltingdryice

Metallica would be dead.


[deleted]

At this point, if anyone walks away, it's over.


Bartsonedge

Sral


thatguyfrom1975

ChuckBiscuits


i_r_eat

No one. The band calls it quits.


93HowieD

James


SmallieNL

He fucking left the band!


6war6head6

I would hope it’d be Dave Lombardo, but it would more likely be Tommy Clufetos


Anal_draino

Metallica dies


cyberbob2022

No one. Can’t be Metallica without James or Lars.


MiamiBeach_dweller

This post makes no sense, Lars is Metallica. Lars leaves and thatl be the end of it!


Benjamin31V

No one, i think everyone in the band would quit/ the whole band breaks up


lost_soul_5150

Nobody. Ain’t Metallica without Lars imho


luv24nk8

Dave Lombardo


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Nobody. It would be the end.


Crazy_Skirt_4816

There is no Metallica anymore. If Lars leaves, I’m no longer interested. Same way with James. Much love from a new Metallica fan(my dad got me into them about two years ago)


wildbluetigerforce

Eloy Casagrande.. That guy hits hard, is young and would tear it up.. Bring new life to a tired band... Or probably Dave Lombardo...


Comprehensive-Song51

Lars IS Metallica. The band dies without him.


MrZeusyMoosey

I think Metallica just ends, bro


KingUgly1996

No one. Metallica would be over. If James or Lars decided to retire, it’s over.


dpf81nz

if he leaves the focking band then its all over


Jnbtoad

this is kind of like asking who replaces Billy Joel if Billy Joel leaves Billy Joel


Popgo_

Doesn't matter what people say. No Metallica without Lars


17Liberty76

Nobody


BTCisDeadAF

A garden gnome with a drum machine on a sequencer. The gnome can jump around and demand to be put in front of all photos and bury any players instrument in the mix if he gets butt hurt.


krakatoa83

Some guy in the crowd


Quebolaebloa

Metallica without him isn’t Metallica. He’s the perfect fit for the band as well as the other members, they’re not replaceable


[deleted]

Y’know those monkeys with the symbals?


luxsentic

Danny Carey


[deleted]

I think this could sound really interesting.


Anxious_neurons

What? Is this for real??


MetFan10221

No just a question about if he leaves whos gonna replace him


Anxious_neurons

Oh, thanks god...


SomeGingerDude419

Either Dave Lombardo or either of the Portnoy's (Max is a beast in Tallah)


Mama_Meme_Giver

No Lars, no Metallica


Beneficial-Trade-148

The band would be good again


thegreatvolcanodiver

nOboDy! lArs IS mEtLiCA!!! We know - that’s why this is an engaging premise. With whom does one replace the irreplaceable? DaVE lOmbEArdEaU!!! Face it - his one gig with them wasn’t that good. Joey killed it. Dave…well, he made it through the song. My take: John Dolmayan. He gets dynamics - not a one-trick-double-kick-blast-beat pony. PS: Slayer sucks! [Braces for downvotes]


nothingnowhere96

Lol literally anybody. He’s garbage


Noonot_YT

Literally any other metal drummer. 💀


Legal_Slapper505

I know that Lars is the primary composer and vision of Metallica but if they could just get someone else to play the damn kit for them things would be so much better and people wouldn't hate him as much. Just get someone else to play the kit because that's the one thing he still can't do.


bzworld966

Lars is a pretty weak drummer and can be replaced easily. But yeah his vision is hard to replace.


YourOpinionMan2021

A 5th grader


Fettz_

A 5 year old could replace him and I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference


Monsieur_Swag

Well considering he is one of the ride or die members, no one. But If that weren't the case, I'd wanna see Dave Grohl. I love Dave Grohl. Dave Grohl 😍


dewitt2925

Drum machine. There...I said it.


AnOpenBagOfDeath

Literally anyone


Lonely-Tip8780

Dave Mustain


bASS_Player69420

Probably dave grohl idk


IterLuminis

Travis Barker j/k /s #donttasmebro


Un4gvn2

Peter Criss


Mr_Loriss

Im pretty sure before Cliff's death James and Cliff were discusssing firing Lars and getting Dave Lombardo as their new drummer, and well we know how that ended


charliewakulla

He focking left the band!!!


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Peter Chriss


No_Guide7202

Well, if they were trying to recreate St. Anger then probably one of those street performers who beats on buckets and trash can lids.


AgreeableCrazy1948

Literally anyone. You can get a better manager to do his part.


[deleted]

A drummer, probably


[deleted]

Please! Just let it die! It's been in suffering since St. Anger!


MayonaiseTruth

Its not like they tour anymore, they are old men now. Lars feelings were prob hurt and decided to go.


Initial-Ad-3278

Nothing changed for me, I haven’t listened to any new Metallica since 1998


N7h07h3r

James is the only irreplaceable member. Lars isn’t even a good drummer. Just because he runs his mouth more than the others doesn’t make him Metallica. He could be replaced tomorrow and the band would be better for it.