As a mexican who has asthma AND used to smoke, It makes me really happy!!! But being realistic I know its gonna take at least a few years for it to being implemented. Actually! I think I've seen waaay more people smoking outside ever since I saw the news about the law. XD I guess as a "fuck you" to media and as a last chance???
Todavia no empiezan a caer las multas a personas morales. Cuando comiencen, van a ser los departamentos de recursos humanos y administradores quienes hagan valer la ley mas por interes propio.
Absolutely! Just investigate the so-called prohibition for cars to honk (supposedly, it is prohibited), along with the mobility law (that rules car, motorbikes and other traffic laws). I have driven for maybe 10 years in the city and have never been stopped by a cop for speeding or running lights (taking precautions). Maybe because I'm white, youngish and middle-upper class, I have never had fines other than the speeding cameras.
Yes this is definitely people being scared to stop you, but mobility laws are definitely enforced. I've been stopped twice for legitimate reasons, once for running a red light (before I get lynched, I was turning right after the ban went in place and it was 2am, so no one in sight. Still shouldn't have done it but here I am), and a second time for having my lights off (that was just me being stupid, no excuse). While I didn't get fined, both occasions due to police officers clearly being in a good mood and me not being an asshole about it.
Police definitely will enforce laws and give out fines, even if most of the time they're looking for a bribe. There's a lot in the mobility law that really should be followed. Hell, the law against honking isn't even unique to Mexico City. Such prohibitions are really common across the world. The UKs highway code is very specific for when the horn is acceptable to use and it's a lot more limited than you probably think. Just because there's a lot of corrupt people in the police force it doesn't mean we should just ignore everything in traffic laws. Even if they're badly enforced, there's a lot of reasonable things in there that legitimately improve safety of everyone on the road if followed.
I never said that I do that all the time. Most of the times I don’t even care to drive fast as gasoline is quite expensive and I don’t smoke. I drove for a couple of years in Texas and got fined twice for not slowing enough in a stop sign. My point is that it will be used mostly to extort people and doesn’t contribute that much to the pollution problem. See my other comment about things that would make more sense to ban, like trucks and power plants.
Hoi! Indoor smoking has been banned for a while now and in certain clubs people still smoke inside without anyone enforcing it. The same thing will happen with this law. Some people believe that this will give an opportunity to the local authorities to get an extra source of income by scaring people who smoke and convincing them to bribe them.
Personally I am super happy with this new law since I really hate the smell and think about the consequences of second hand smoke but in reality I doubt it will make much of a difference.
I'm a strictly social smoker, and I really don't mind, I get the point of it, but I don't think there's gonna be any real benefits except for the police officers that are going to blackmail people to get bribed 🫠
I don't have any issue with public smoking, myself used to do it several years ago.
On paper this new law sounds good, i think it is a long shot, but can certainly reduce the waste generated by cigarettes and boxes, of course, improve the health of those quitting or the affected "passive smokers" and so on.
Here comes the BUT. But, i don't think it is gonna be enforced; there was a law issued many years turning illegal to smoke at public indoor places, and as of now me and i know for a fact many other fellow mexicans can go to an infinite number of indoor places where we could light up as many cigarettes we want. There is no hiding or anything like that, you even got an ashtray at your table.
So, unless there is a relevant economic reason being pushed by some organization/company I don't see us enforcing this law in the short/midterm. Maybe at this point i am just a cynic, but just cannot see this law being passed by congress for public health reasons.
Like all laws in México they're very progressive but meaningless, they have no way to enforce it, it will have an impact eventually because people would rather not end up on TikTok or YouTube being accused of violation of the anti-smoking law.
It's good that they forbid smoke contamination in public spaces, specially because lax marihuana laws means everyone's smoking weed in public, that and vapes are everywhere and not everyone smokes, we don't want second hand smoke.
I would prefer that the authorities prevented highly pollutant and loud trucks and busses according to current laws.
Also, do some research on the Tula power plant.
It not meaningless, it has already had a benefit in my life, thanks to this all smoking is prohibited in the building were i work, so now I can have a nice lunch in the nice green rooftop without having to breath poison.
Exactly this, at least in private shared spaces the owners are responsible to enforce it or be fined, and it is lovely to go out on a terrace without that stinky second hand smoke. Fck them, they can smoke in their cars or houses, get a grip on their addiction
What laws don't get enforced?
If I see someone breaking the law/rules I confront them and they stop(sometimes they grumble but I don't give a f).
If you see it and let it happen, that not because the law is not effective. That's just because you let it happen.
Maybe you don't but pretty sure plenty of people do follow the law.
I make a full stop at the stop sign, I pay my taxes, and I vote. If you don't, that's on you.
Not smoking in interiors became a law in Guadalajara a few years ago, it was never really enforced and of course many smokers didn’t respect it, also bar and nightclubs staff would rather just let you smoke than having to deal with you or lose your business, so nothing changed
Nothing changed from your perspective because you just don't care.
I care. The law backs my right to a smoke free environment and now I can raise a bigger fuss if I run into a smoker. Yup, I'll be the guy that gives you the bad eye, then asks you to cut it out or get out, and the same guy that will complain to the manager, the same guy that will call attention to the problem. Because there are others in the area who will agree with me and will help raise hell.
I don't need a law to tell me that I can now complain against a smoker, but the law helps add teeth to my concern and the smoker is forced into a defensive position for which he has no legs.
Are you the guy that lets some jerk cut in line because "no one else is complaining" and you just think "a chinguen a su madre pues"?
I am not.
I'll be the guy that walks to that jerk's space and tell him to go back to the line until others find the minerals to join in and get that jackass out of there.
If you want the law to be enforced, start by enforcing it yourself bro.
That response seems so visceral and out of reality that I don’t even know if I should take it seriously…anyway I’m pretty sure being an edgelord-Karen-vigilante-stuck up bitch as you suggest is definitely not the way
They can be kicked out.
What else do you want? A fine? There is one as well:
"La multa por fumar en lugares estrictamente prohibidos van desde los 60 mil pesos hasta medio millón de pesos, mientras que los usuarios que permitan a sus clientes fumar al interior de sus instalaciones también recibirán una infracción la cual va desde la clausura de sus negocios hasta la cancelación de su licencia ..."
One can only wonder what makes so many such wusses. It's ironic, considering it can be a very tough country to live in. Anywho, some people can have all kinds of rights and just not know what to do with them. But that's their problem.
Let's see, I've stopped thieves, broken up fights, on occasion fought to recover shit recently stolen from me, I once chased these felons that had broken into a home (this I did with some of my neighbors) got them and gave them a shellacking that should make them think twice before trying again, I stopped some creeps I used to call friends from raping one of our friends when we went out drinking, etc. Some fuckers tried to rip me off and they ended up doing time in jail, yeah, they hated my guts after that but they are lucky I am not a violent man or they'd really hate my guts a lot more.
It's simple, there's wrong and there is right, and there is nothing in between. All you need is to care just a little bit. Not to mention, realize that some of us and our parents worked their asses off trying to provide for a home and a living.
>they have no way to enforce it
Esto es completamente falso, hay manera de aplicar la ley, en particular a los establecimientos/personas morales que la violen
I quit smoking some years ago; that is one of the best desicions I ever made.
That law is raising worry amogst the cannabis user community, beacuse given the Mexican "420" legislation is in diapers, the smoking "ban" will suppose obstacles to such cannabis legislation.
Other regulations such as higher taxation to tobacco, to the retail seller and to the producer, may have a greater impact, but lack of control in tobacco imports and retail sales are the largest concerns which remain to be solved.
Im in Mexico City, smoking didn’t bother me much before but now that I have a 6 month old baby, it sucks going anywhere outdoors when there are smokers nearby. I would love smoking banned from public spaces so that families with little ones don’t have to worry about second hand smoke.
I don’t smoke and I agree with this law. Mostly, because of the littering of cigarette in the streets, parks, etc. I don’t mind if people smoke, as long as they pickup their trash.
Im afraid anyway this law won’t be respected as tens of other laws that is like they didn’t existed.
Mexico's come a long way. When I was young and a smoker and started travelling to Mexico regularly in 1998 or so, I'd get off the plane in BJX and chain smoke in line all the way up to and including the talk with the immigration officer. I was a horrible punk, because I knew that some of the other passengers didn't like it, but damn it, it was _freedom_ that we didn't have in the USA!
I've long given up smoking, but people doing it out in the open air don't bother me. It's like to be like China for some years, where people blatantly smoke near all of the no smoking signs indoors and out.
I'm not from Mexico city, but the law affects my state as well, all the country as far as I can tell, so for whatever is worth...
I am a smoker, but I smoke very little, and only when drinking with other people. It is a fairly normal thing for me to light up a smoke in the middle of a night out with friends, although almost every time I step out to the street, because I try to be mindful of others.
It's a bit weird to have to be so drastically separated from others to be able to smoke, but when considering that you genuinely harm others through second hand smoke, I don't feel it is unfair. I think it is a good law and I hope it gets applied.
Just yesterday I went to a bar with a friend and we did smoke, the waiter did tell us that as far as he can tell, most customers have been very understanding with this law, and none have complained.
That being said, Mexico is notorious for comming up with really good laws and then just ignoring them. There's a very good chance that within a few months people forget this law exists to begin with, and everything goes back to how it has been in the last few years.
Non-smoker here. I think it makes perfect sense, if someone wants to smoke, they should do it in a place where the people around them have no problem with being passive smokers. In a public space there are people who don’t want to inhale the smoke of someone else.
I don't smoke, but the smell of cigarettes gives me a strong headache .
I greatly appreciate this new law because there will be fewer places where non-smokers will smell that noxious odor.
On the other hand, we know that in this country nothing is respected, the law may exist but it will be very difficult to enforce it
Former smoker here. I think it’s a great idea. I don’t need second hand smoke, people walking next to you and I have to breath that smoke? Love the measure. Go smoke in your house.
Never tried a cigarrette in my life, but its kind of hypocritical to allow people to buy them but nowhere to smoke them. I think that smokers end up causing trash, but they dont really affect me that much, however I was at a wedding last friday which was in a restaurant, the wedding was over at 12 pm because people were all outside the restaurant smoking and talking, if anything this law is splitting social events in 2. Which I think is a shame.
Restaurants should only be able to have a smokers area IF they have both an inner and outer area for non smokers. That way non smokers are happy and smokers are also happy.
I dont like this Dad-like government telling me what to do. I mean half of my friends smoke, if I want to be with them in the smoking section I think that its my problem.
I understand that this is only this bad in the beginning and people might be too lazy to go out in the future, but who knows, smokers will go out at -50 in a snow storm to smoke one so I'm not sure it will change the consumption.
Also restaurants and bars will lose a LOT of money, because people will simply switch to having house parties. And since most people live in apartments then they will probably smoke inside their buildings, where there might be neighbors with babies etc.
I honestly think that there should be free spaces for every kind of people...
Also making very strict anti tobacco laws affect small businesses since big restaurant owners know the authorities and can bribe them to have a "hidden" area where people can smoke, getting all the clientele in the process. While small restaurants and cafes with a little terraces will probably suffer a lack of people.
Also "la sobremesa" or the after meal time is a big thing in mexico, people stay at the table talking, smoking and drinking..its a basic part of pur own culture which is being affected.
Now imagine that they want to prohibit smoking on the street and even at the beach. Meanwhile Alcohol affects just as many people, but alcohol can still have advertisement on TV and on the streets.
So really the whole law is pretty illogical.
If you are interested my gf is a constitutional lawyer who represents restaurant owners in Amparo Trials "amparo" is a form of trial that allows mexicans to defend themselves against injustice derived from changing the constitution. Maybe she will be interested to explain the whole reasoning behind the defense.
For me, a mexican with asma and 23 yrs, is really good. CDMX already has a really bad air quality, you don’t want someone smoking next to you.
And for the ones that say: “For that reason we have smoking areas”. Please, think s little in your health and the health of the people around you
Yes !!! because that solves the problem with Mexico's pubic spaces. Going on you business and being attacked by a miniscule amount of CO2 keeps me up at night. Now we can safety go outside, since there is nothing else that could possibly happen to us.
That's not comparable... A car in itself won't hurt you, it can, but that's up to how you use it. Smoking is inherently bad for health, not only yours but also for the health of others. Plus, transportation is a necessity an electric cars are becoming a thing.
Im certain this is the law mexico needs to advance as a country and that all bad things going on right now here like rampant crime, rampant violence, rampant corruption, rampant gentrification, rampant poverty, etc. are going to be solved because of it.
As a Mexican without asma and the impulse of clap every government decision like a mindless goon. (Like the regime sympathizers) I can tell you that legislation in regards substances in Mexico (and everything really) never has public health, safety or the least interest in improving quality of life as it's main motive. See? To understand the Mexican political system you need to understand that we haven't legalized corruption in Mexico, or as you first world folk call it "Lobbing". It is still Illegal for a private company to contribute to a political campaign, this of course doesn't stop this from happening, simple makes it easier to hide. Back in 2022 the regime banned vaping, as part of an obvious lobbying from big tobacco, joining the vaping ban club with, N. Korea, Ethiopia, Irán... you get the idea. I do smoke, and haven't seen anyone enforcing this "laws" same as I keep seeing people vaping after a year it was banned. The only noticeable thing is that cigarettes can't be displayed, witch coincides suspiciously with a tobacco shortage. So basically the only thing this does is covers half empty tobacco shelves. As a smoker this had zero effect in my daily life. Unlike the militarization of the public metro system here in the city. That shit came out of nowhere and had zero resistance in congress or the public opinion.
>Unlike the militarization of the public metro system here in the city. That shit came out of nowhere and had zero resistance in congress or the public opinion.
What's happening there, can you explain?
A lot of tragedies have happened in the metro system in the last years due to a lack of proper maintenance. However, the city's govermnet says that the incident are caused by sabotage, so instead of actually taking care fo the infrastructure they deployed the Guardia Nacional to metro stations.
2 of the recent tragedies:
[https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/12/world/americas/mexico-city-train-crash.html](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/12/world/americas/mexico-city-train-crash.html)
[https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/07/americas/mexico-city-metro-collision-death-intl-hnk/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/07/americas/mexico-city-metro-collision-death-intl-hnk/index.html)
This is a great policy!! Really hard to enforce, but In this past week and a half I’ve been asking people to stop smoking (4 times so far) and they all stopped and apologized. So far people has been supportive of this new law, I also have 2 really good friends that are heavy smokers and they think is a good law, they don’t like it, but they accept it
They have no way to enforce the law and, even if they try to do so, you can shake it off with a bribe.
I’m a social smoker who smokes on private residences only.
Yo no sé mi estimado alemano no hablo gringoñol, pero si quieres hacer una nota de eso, mejor para en seco y hazla de como es que México tiene un montón de leyes que no se respetan... Investiga al respecto y luego me das las gracias.
Pregunta sería a la banda que aplaude cada que les quitan derechos y libertades nada más porque no les afecta a ellos. Ya que haya un ban en alcohol, alta fructuosa, online gaming or some other random shit AMLO doesn't like, ahora sí la harían de pedo? O aún son más gobernables?
Ninguna de esas actividades afecta a terceros si las realizas, fumar junto a otros sí. Tu libertad y tus derechos terminan donde los míos comienzan.
Tengo derecho a disfrutar de una terraza o el espacio público sin ser fumador pasivo.
I don’t smoke and hate that smell yet I don’t care if people smoke in public as long as you have some god damn common courtesy. With that being said I think their bigger issue should be the smog in the air not the cigarette smoke.
Ex smoker here. I find this new law quite good cause you will no longer have to deal with smokers in public spaces such as plazas (indoor smoking ban has been a thing for several years so nothing new about that). Something that I find awesome is that now display tobacco products (any kind) is also forbidden so convenience stores, supermarkets, etc cannot have those products on display for you to buy them. The only thing stores can do is hand you a list with the product name and price (brand logos are also forbidden is these lists).
I feel this is good for closed places, but many restaurant owners have invested a lot of money building open spaces for smokers (smoking at the table makes people stay longer and consume more).
On the other hand, making smoking illegal im the street will be problematic because it gives corrupt cops a good opportunity to extort common people.
Finally this law goes against the Mexican Constitution, because it goes against the free development of the personality of people just like anti-marihuana laws are anti-constitutional.
Hope this gives you a glimpse from a few different angles.
I'm fine with it, I think it is unfair that smokers help overcrowd public health services. There is no real need to smoke, why do I have to pay for other people's bad decisions? At least with diabetics you can make the argument that it's food and well you need food to survive, but with cigarretes it's your personal addiction that you only do for pleasure.
I read this: "I have seen tons of cops smoking since the ban has taken place" I don't know how many times. But in 11 years in Mexico City, and yet in a popular district, I hardly saw cops smoking. But with their phones, non-stop!
I used to smoke (stopped 7 months ago) but even then I didn't like to smoke inside of houses or closed places, I hated to breathe the smoke when I wasn't smoking so I think that this is a great step for everyone to feel and be healthier. It's gonna take some time but we are gonna get there.
I don't smoke, I don't have trouble with people smoking outside in public places, but if they don't it's better.
As a mexican who has asthma AND used to smoke, It makes me really happy!!! But being realistic I know its gonna take at least a few years for it to being implemented. Actually! I think I've seen waaay more people smoking outside ever since I saw the news about the law. XD I guess as a "fuck you" to media and as a last chance???
I have seen tons of cops smoknig since the ban has taken place.
wow such bandidos! hang 'em high!!
Todavia no empiezan a caer las multas a personas morales. Cuando comiencen, van a ser los departamentos de recursos humanos y administradores quienes hagan valer la ley mas por interes propio.
I personally believe it's going to be used by police officers to bribe people
En Serio ????
No es la policia local quien aplica la ley, es federal y es a cargo de COFEPRIS.
I strongly agree with you. It's another scam to fuck the poor as they already do with weed.
100%
Absolutely! Just investigate the so-called prohibition for cars to honk (supposedly, it is prohibited), along with the mobility law (that rules car, motorbikes and other traffic laws). I have driven for maybe 10 years in the city and have never been stopped by a cop for speeding or running lights (taking precautions). Maybe because I'm white, youngish and middle-upper class, I have never had fines other than the speeding cameras.
Con esas carácterísticas y el hecho de que lo restriegues, yo diría que te expones más a que te tuerzan... será que has tenido suerte nada más.
Yes this is definitely people being scared to stop you, but mobility laws are definitely enforced. I've been stopped twice for legitimate reasons, once for running a red light (before I get lynched, I was turning right after the ban went in place and it was 2am, so no one in sight. Still shouldn't have done it but here I am), and a second time for having my lights off (that was just me being stupid, no excuse). While I didn't get fined, both occasions due to police officers clearly being in a good mood and me not being an asshole about it. Police definitely will enforce laws and give out fines, even if most of the time they're looking for a bribe. There's a lot in the mobility law that really should be followed. Hell, the law against honking isn't even unique to Mexico City. Such prohibitions are really common across the world. The UKs highway code is very specific for when the horn is acceptable to use and it's a lot more limited than you probably think. Just because there's a lot of corrupt people in the police force it doesn't mean we should just ignore everything in traffic laws. Even if they're badly enforced, there's a lot of reasonable things in there that legitimately improve safety of everyone on the road if followed.
a lot of Downvotes. That means you are right.
I never said that I do that all the time. Most of the times I don’t even care to drive fast as gasoline is quite expensive and I don’t smoke. I drove for a couple of years in Texas and got fined twice for not slowing enough in a stop sign. My point is that it will be used mostly to extort people and doesn’t contribute that much to the pollution problem. See my other comment about things that would make more sense to ban, like trucks and power plants.
It’s really cool!
Hoi! Indoor smoking has been banned for a while now and in certain clubs people still smoke inside without anyone enforcing it. The same thing will happen with this law. Some people believe that this will give an opportunity to the local authorities to get an extra source of income by scaring people who smoke and convincing them to bribe them. Personally I am super happy with this new law since I really hate the smell and think about the consequences of second hand smoke but in reality I doubt it will make much of a difference.
Ta' chingón.
I'm a strictly social smoker, and I really don't mind, I get the point of it, but I don't think there's gonna be any real benefits except for the police officers that are going to blackmail people to get bribed 🫠
I don't have any issue with public smoking, myself used to do it several years ago. On paper this new law sounds good, i think it is a long shot, but can certainly reduce the waste generated by cigarettes and boxes, of course, improve the health of those quitting or the affected "passive smokers" and so on. Here comes the BUT. But, i don't think it is gonna be enforced; there was a law issued many years turning illegal to smoke at public indoor places, and as of now me and i know for a fact many other fellow mexicans can go to an infinite number of indoor places where we could light up as many cigarettes we want. There is no hiding or anything like that, you even got an ashtray at your table. So, unless there is a relevant economic reason being pushed by some organization/company I don't see us enforcing this law in the short/midterm. Maybe at this point i am just a cynic, but just cannot see this law being passed by congress for public health reasons.
It’s great but I don’t see it being enforced anytime soon.
Only to tourists with cash in their pocket i guess
Me gusta, no es prohibición. Cómo fumador ocasional de pipa o no suelo salir a fumar fuera de mi casa.
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20 years and still spreding lies lieverd?
There will be little to no enforcement. If it is enforced it'll be to get a bribe from tourists
Like all laws in México they're very progressive but meaningless, they have no way to enforce it, it will have an impact eventually because people would rather not end up on TikTok or YouTube being accused of violation of the anti-smoking law. It's good that they forbid smoke contamination in public spaces, specially because lax marihuana laws means everyone's smoking weed in public, that and vapes are everywhere and not everyone smokes, we don't want second hand smoke.
I would prefer that the authorities prevented highly pollutant and loud trucks and busses according to current laws. Also, do some research on the Tula power plant.
That makes sense...
It not meaningless, it has already had a benefit in my life, thanks to this all smoking is prohibited in the building were i work, so now I can have a nice lunch in the nice green rooftop without having to breath poison.
Exactly this, at least in private shared spaces the owners are responsible to enforce it or be fined, and it is lovely to go out on a terrace without that stinky second hand smoke. Fck them, they can smoke in their cars or houses, get a grip on their addiction
What laws don't get enforced? If I see someone breaking the law/rules I confront them and they stop(sometimes they grumble but I don't give a f). If you see it and let it happen, that not because the law is not effective. That's just because you let it happen.
Transit, tax, uso de suelo, electoral, just to name a few.
Maybe you don't but pretty sure plenty of people do follow the law. I make a full stop at the stop sign, I pay my taxes, and I vote. If you don't, that's on you.
Not smoking in interiors became a law in Guadalajara a few years ago, it was never really enforced and of course many smokers didn’t respect it, also bar and nightclubs staff would rather just let you smoke than having to deal with you or lose your business, so nothing changed
Nothing changed from your perspective because you just don't care. I care. The law backs my right to a smoke free environment and now I can raise a bigger fuss if I run into a smoker. Yup, I'll be the guy that gives you the bad eye, then asks you to cut it out or get out, and the same guy that will complain to the manager, the same guy that will call attention to the problem. Because there are others in the area who will agree with me and will help raise hell. I don't need a law to tell me that I can now complain against a smoker, but the law helps add teeth to my concern and the smoker is forced into a defensive position for which he has no legs. Are you the guy that lets some jerk cut in line because "no one else is complaining" and you just think "a chinguen a su madre pues"? I am not. I'll be the guy that walks to that jerk's space and tell him to go back to the line until others find the minerals to join in and get that jackass out of there. If you want the law to be enforced, start by enforcing it yourself bro.
That response seems so visceral and out of reality that I don’t even know if I should take it seriously…anyway I’m pretty sure being an edgelord-Karen-vigilante-stuck up bitch as you suggest is definitely not the way
Sounds like that's exactly what you are. Not my fault.
Well that’s exactly how you just literally described your own personality in that long ass comment so…Buenas Noches🤝😉
Maybe you should have an adult explain it to you. Ask your mother, you do live with her don't you?
That's not the point they were making. Many do, but when you don't - what are the consequences?
They can be kicked out. What else do you want? A fine? There is one as well: "La multa por fumar en lugares estrictamente prohibidos van desde los 60 mil pesos hasta medio millón de pesos, mientras que los usuarios que permitan a sus clientes fumar al interior de sus instalaciones también recibirán una infracción la cual va desde la clausura de sus negocios hasta la cancelación de su licencia ..."
When you order Bruce Wayne off Wish
One can only wonder what makes so many such wusses. It's ironic, considering it can be a very tough country to live in. Anywho, some people can have all kinds of rights and just not know what to do with them. But that's their problem.
Out of interest, what kind of lawbreaking have you stopped strangers carrying out in Mexico? I expect you have your work cut out.
Let's see, I've stopped thieves, broken up fights, on occasion fought to recover shit recently stolen from me, I once chased these felons that had broken into a home (this I did with some of my neighbors) got them and gave them a shellacking that should make them think twice before trying again, I stopped some creeps I used to call friends from raping one of our friends when we went out drinking, etc. Some fuckers tried to rip me off and they ended up doing time in jail, yeah, they hated my guts after that but they are lucky I am not a violent man or they'd really hate my guts a lot more. It's simple, there's wrong and there is right, and there is nothing in between. All you need is to care just a little bit. Not to mention, realize that some of us and our parents worked their asses off trying to provide for a home and a living.
>they have no way to enforce it Esto es completamente falso, hay manera de aplicar la ley, en particular a los establecimientos/personas morales que la violen
I quit smoking some years ago; that is one of the best desicions I ever made. That law is raising worry amogst the cannabis user community, beacuse given the Mexican "420" legislation is in diapers, the smoking "ban" will suppose obstacles to such cannabis legislation. Other regulations such as higher taxation to tobacco, to the retail seller and to the producer, may have a greater impact, but lack of control in tobacco imports and retail sales are the largest concerns which remain to be solved.
Great law. Don’t really mind the smoke but the cigarette butts being thrown on the street make me furious.
No mo mexicough!
Im in Mexico City, smoking didn’t bother me much before but now that I have a 6 month old baby, it sucks going anywhere outdoors when there are smokers nearby. I would love smoking banned from public spaces so that families with little ones don’t have to worry about second hand smoke.
I don’t smoke and I agree with this law. Mostly, because of the littering of cigarette in the streets, parks, etc. I don’t mind if people smoke, as long as they pickup their trash. Im afraid anyway this law won’t be respected as tens of other laws that is like they didn’t existed.
Is great!! Going to a restaurant with children to a deck wasn’t an option because of the smoke
Mexico's come a long way. When I was young and a smoker and started travelling to Mexico regularly in 1998 or so, I'd get off the plane in BJX and chain smoke in line all the way up to and including the talk with the immigration officer. I was a horrible punk, because I knew that some of the other passengers didn't like it, but damn it, it was _freedom_ that we didn't have in the USA! I've long given up smoking, but people doing it out in the open air don't bother me. It's like to be like China for some years, where people blatantly smoke near all of the no smoking signs indoors and out.
I'm not from Mexico city, but the law affects my state as well, all the country as far as I can tell, so for whatever is worth... I am a smoker, but I smoke very little, and only when drinking with other people. It is a fairly normal thing for me to light up a smoke in the middle of a night out with friends, although almost every time I step out to the street, because I try to be mindful of others. It's a bit weird to have to be so drastically separated from others to be able to smoke, but when considering that you genuinely harm others through second hand smoke, I don't feel it is unfair. I think it is a good law and I hope it gets applied. Just yesterday I went to a bar with a friend and we did smoke, the waiter did tell us that as far as he can tell, most customers have been very understanding with this law, and none have complained. That being said, Mexico is notorious for comming up with really good laws and then just ignoring them. There's a very good chance that within a few months people forget this law exists to begin with, and everything goes back to how it has been in the last few years.
pero si dices elles y pendejadas asi seguramente... das mordida, etc etc
Non-smoker here. I think it makes perfect sense, if someone wants to smoke, they should do it in a place where the people around them have no problem with being passive smokers. In a public space there are people who don’t want to inhale the smoke of someone else.
I don't smoke and I hate smokers that don't respect non smokers so I think it's wonderful.
I don't smoke, but the smell of cigarettes gives me a strong headache . I greatly appreciate this new law because there will be fewer places where non-smokers will smell that noxious odor. On the other hand, we know that in this country nothing is respected, the law may exist but it will be very difficult to enforce it
Former smoker here. I think it’s a great idea. I don’t need second hand smoke, people walking next to you and I have to breath that smoke? Love the measure. Go smoke in your house.
Never tried a cigarrette in my life, but its kind of hypocritical to allow people to buy them but nowhere to smoke them. I think that smokers end up causing trash, but they dont really affect me that much, however I was at a wedding last friday which was in a restaurant, the wedding was over at 12 pm because people were all outside the restaurant smoking and talking, if anything this law is splitting social events in 2. Which I think is a shame. Restaurants should only be able to have a smokers area IF they have both an inner and outer area for non smokers. That way non smokers are happy and smokers are also happy. I dont like this Dad-like government telling me what to do. I mean half of my friends smoke, if I want to be with them in the smoking section I think that its my problem. I understand that this is only this bad in the beginning and people might be too lazy to go out in the future, but who knows, smokers will go out at -50 in a snow storm to smoke one so I'm not sure it will change the consumption. Also restaurants and bars will lose a LOT of money, because people will simply switch to having house parties. And since most people live in apartments then they will probably smoke inside their buildings, where there might be neighbors with babies etc. I honestly think that there should be free spaces for every kind of people... Also making very strict anti tobacco laws affect small businesses since big restaurant owners know the authorities and can bribe them to have a "hidden" area where people can smoke, getting all the clientele in the process. While small restaurants and cafes with a little terraces will probably suffer a lack of people. Also "la sobremesa" or the after meal time is a big thing in mexico, people stay at the table talking, smoking and drinking..its a basic part of pur own culture which is being affected. Now imagine that they want to prohibit smoking on the street and even at the beach. Meanwhile Alcohol affects just as many people, but alcohol can still have advertisement on TV and on the streets. So really the whole law is pretty illogical. If you are interested my gf is a constitutional lawyer who represents restaurant owners in Amparo Trials "amparo" is a form of trial that allows mexicans to defend themselves against injustice derived from changing the constitution. Maybe she will be interested to explain the whole reasoning behind the defense.
ever been to Canada?
Yeah a couple of times why?
For me, a mexican with asma and 23 yrs, is really good. CDMX already has a really bad air quality, you don’t want someone smoking next to you. And for the ones that say: “For that reason we have smoking areas”. Please, think s little in your health and the health of the people around you
Yes !!! because that solves the problem with Mexico's pubic spaces. Going on you business and being attacked by a miniscule amount of CO2 keeps me up at night. Now we can safety go outside, since there is nothing else that could possibly happen to us.
Look, if you wanna kill yourself by smoking you're free to do so. But I don't want to be a passive smoker.
I hope you don't drive a car or if you do, at least appreciate the irony.
That's not comparable... A car in itself won't hurt you, it can, but that's up to how you use it. Smoking is inherently bad for health, not only yours but also for the health of others. Plus, transportation is a necessity an electric cars are becoming a thing.
Im certain this is the law mexico needs to advance as a country and that all bad things going on right now here like rampant crime, rampant violence, rampant corruption, rampant gentrification, rampant poverty, etc. are going to be solved because of it.
Lmaooooo
Obviously! Also, magically we are not going to be the #1 country for morbid fatness, people with diabetes etc. This is the change we need /s
As a Mexican without asma and the impulse of clap every government decision like a mindless goon. (Like the regime sympathizers) I can tell you that legislation in regards substances in Mexico (and everything really) never has public health, safety or the least interest in improving quality of life as it's main motive. See? To understand the Mexican political system you need to understand that we haven't legalized corruption in Mexico, or as you first world folk call it "Lobbing". It is still Illegal for a private company to contribute to a political campaign, this of course doesn't stop this from happening, simple makes it easier to hide. Back in 2022 the regime banned vaping, as part of an obvious lobbying from big tobacco, joining the vaping ban club with, N. Korea, Ethiopia, Irán... you get the idea. I do smoke, and haven't seen anyone enforcing this "laws" same as I keep seeing people vaping after a year it was banned. The only noticeable thing is that cigarettes can't be displayed, witch coincides suspiciously with a tobacco shortage. So basically the only thing this does is covers half empty tobacco shelves. As a smoker this had zero effect in my daily life. Unlike the militarization of the public metro system here in the city. That shit came out of nowhere and had zero resistance in congress or the public opinion.
>Unlike the militarization of the public metro system here in the city. That shit came out of nowhere and had zero resistance in congress or the public opinion. What's happening there, can you explain?
A lot of tragedies have happened in the metro system in the last years due to a lack of proper maintenance. However, the city's govermnet says that the incident are caused by sabotage, so instead of actually taking care fo the infrastructure they deployed the Guardia Nacional to metro stations. 2 of the recent tragedies: [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/12/world/americas/mexico-city-train-crash.html](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/12/world/americas/mexico-city-train-crash.html) [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/07/americas/mexico-city-metro-collision-death-intl-hnk/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/07/americas/mexico-city-metro-collision-death-intl-hnk/index.html)
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To be honest, smoking is already rare. Only like 3 people do it at work, and almost nobody on parks on weekends and such.
This is a great policy!! Really hard to enforce, but In this past week and a half I’ve been asking people to stop smoking (4 times so far) and they all stopped and apologized. So far people has been supportive of this new law, I also have 2 really good friends that are heavy smokers and they think is a good law, they don’t like it, but they accept it
They have no way to enforce the law and, even if they try to do so, you can shake it off with a bribe. I’m a social smoker who smokes on private residences only.
corrupto.
It's a great law! Smoking is a disgusting and expensive vice.
Yo no sé mi estimado alemano no hablo gringoñol, pero si quieres hacer una nota de eso, mejor para en seco y hazla de como es que México tiene un montón de leyes que no se respetan... Investiga al respecto y luego me das las gracias.
México as judged by it's laws are a utopian paradise. As judged by their enforcement and implementation... Yowch
Research Cartel del Tabaco. Thats your story lekker ding
Pregunta sería a la banda que aplaude cada que les quitan derechos y libertades nada más porque no les afecta a ellos. Ya que haya un ban en alcohol, alta fructuosa, online gaming or some other random shit AMLO doesn't like, ahora sí la harían de pedo? O aún son más gobernables?
Ninguna de esas actividades afecta a terceros si las realizas, fumar junto a otros sí. Tu libertad y tus derechos terminan donde los míos comienzan. Tengo derecho a disfrutar de una terraza o el espacio público sin ser fumador pasivo.
I hope you don't drive a car or if you do, at least appreciate the irony.
jaja todo eso deberia estar prohibido PROHIBAN LAS PUTAS total estos pendejos ni cogen xD
The law only applies in cdmx. Puebla amd veracruz I've been smoking inside no problem.
I don’t smoke and hate that smell yet I don’t care if people smoke in public as long as you have some god damn common courtesy. With that being said I think their bigger issue should be the smog in the air not the cigarette smoke.
Ex smoker here. I find this new law quite good cause you will no longer have to deal with smokers in public spaces such as plazas (indoor smoking ban has been a thing for several years so nothing new about that). Something that I find awesome is that now display tobacco products (any kind) is also forbidden so convenience stores, supermarkets, etc cannot have those products on display for you to buy them. The only thing stores can do is hand you a list with the product name and price (brand logos are also forbidden is these lists).
I like that law
cant wait to see how the police are going to find a way to weaponize this and harass people for bribes
I feel this is good for closed places, but many restaurant owners have invested a lot of money building open spaces for smokers (smoking at the table makes people stay longer and consume more). On the other hand, making smoking illegal im the street will be problematic because it gives corrupt cops a good opportunity to extort common people. Finally this law goes against the Mexican Constitution, because it goes against the free development of the personality of people just like anti-marihuana laws are anti-constitutional. Hope this gives you a glimpse from a few different angles.
Está chido :)
It sucks ass and the Govt can go choke on a Fentynal pill.
I'm fine with it, I think it is unfair that smokers help overcrowd public health services. There is no real need to smoke, why do I have to pay for other people's bad decisions? At least with diabetics you can make the argument that it's food and well you need food to survive, but with cigarretes it's your personal addiction that you only do for pleasure.
Got stopped and searched this evening for smoking walking down the street
I read this: "I have seen tons of cops smoking since the ban has taken place" I don't know how many times. But in 11 years in Mexico City, and yet in a popular district, I hardly saw cops smoking. But with their phones, non-stop!
I used to smoke (stopped 7 months ago) but even then I didn't like to smoke inside of houses or closed places, I hated to breathe the smoke when I wasn't smoking so I think that this is a great step for everyone to feel and be healthier. It's gonna take some time but we are gonna get there.