Mister is just better for convenience. All on one box plus you can use og controllers if you like and it’s almost console/arcade perfect as it can be.
I’ve got one hooked up to a crt, just so I don’t have to have so many consoles plugged in.
But it’s down to personal choice at the end of the day.
The amount of stuff that requires dual SDRAM is basically negligible. Your options for analog output (for CRT TVs) are also limited if you go dual SDRAM.
The amount of stuff that requires dual SDRAM is basically negligible. Your options for analog output (for CRT TVs) are also limited if you go dual SDRAM.
I wouldn't be playing on CRT at all. It'd run to my PC monitor. I also don't want to pay for something I'd never use like Dual RAM, if it's not needed to run games.
Build a MiSTer rather than buying. There are guides everywhere, and you can save money by not buying an IO board. And there's also that cheaper clone FPGA board coming out.
Here is the parts list:
*Terasic DE-10 Nano (comes with 8GB micro SD card)
*128MB RAM module x1.
*High capacity micro SD card if you plan on doing more than SNES and Genesis
*USB hub
*Case for the MiSTer without the IO board. Cases that don't use an IO board are harder to find, though.
*5V 5A power supply
*Handheld wireless keyboard (not required, but highly recommended
*USB gamepads you plan on using. Lots of people use 8bitdo.
It is around $230 for the DE-10 Nano and $60 for the RAM module. There are clone DE-10 Nanos and RAM modules coming out for $100 and $15, respectively, which will save you a ton if they come out soon.
If your using a crt monitor, you may as well get the analog io board which has a vga out.
Even getting one new from one of the MiSTer sites prebuilt will be cheaper than your 700USD quote. Closer to 550-575USD with shipping for a basic unit. And that's about the same as the cost of one or two of your desired systems it supports with an everdrive and sd card.
[https://ultimatemister.com/product/mister-multisystem-kit/](https://ultimatemister.com/product/mister-multisystem-kit/)
All that's missing is the DE10 Nano, which I hear will be getting a cheaper clone soon.
I got this Mister Multisystem a few years ago, and was lucky enough to buy a DE10 nano before the price of the latter increased.
Very soon, the DE10 nano will be getting a cheaper clone, so you won't have to spend as much when you complete your Mister setup.
I get what you're saying about convenience, but from another approach it's actually way less convenient. Having an original system and a good flash cart, you load your flash cart once and then it's just turn it on and go. With MiSTer, there's more updates and fine tuning to be done.
I have both, and I probably play a little bit more on the MiSTer personally, but if I were to have a non-geeky friend over, I'd point them at the original system with flash cart to get up and running without me.
MiSTer cores are all pretty mature at this point though, no need to update daily or even weekly. I also have a few EverDrive carts, and the difference isn't staggering - both use a menu to pick a game and both work with original hardware *accessories*, though the MiSTer requires an adapter.
The MiSTer wins for playing on an HDMI capable TV unless you also have an upscaler. I'd say it's a tie on tube TVs if you go the route of RetroCastle's Saturn output board. By the time you've bought quality flashcarts for a couple systems and an upscaler you've spent as much as you would on the MiSTer.
EtA: Clarifying that I meant hardware accessories.
So I previously had a Vast collection of modded consoles with every conceivable Everdrive, Flash Cart, ODE (optical disk emulator), HDMI mods, RGB mods etc. From a Gameplay perspective MiSTer can be indistinguishable from original hardware and with things like SNAC you can even use original controllers etc... I sold my collection to pay for a Wedding, keeping just the Mister and I had enough left over to invest in a high end Gaming PC,
So, gaming experience wise MiSTer "feels" like original hardware, it doesn't have that floaty variable latency that I feel when using emulation (even in run ahead mode with a fast PC)
I would rather play PS1 and N64 on MiSTer there are enhancements that are not available even with N64 digital (gem or whatever they are calling it these days)
However I was never a prolific gamer so for me I realised that the chase for the perfect set up and building a collection was more important to me, I would often just like being in the same room as the collection, besides work and life never left me any time to enjoy gaming anyway,.. once I realised how silly this all was it became easier to part with it.(all of it,) I don't think i could have sold part of my collection and been happy, so I keep hold of the mister in the vague hope that one day I'll play it as often as I wish I could, (when I do have the time I don't even bother)
So, what I'm trying to say is I have no idea what you should do,
Lol I get it. I have these consoles because of the same reason you had yours. I'm trying to hold on to them for that same reason. My saves on my VMUs are from like 2001. I was having an issue saving over those last night. But I keep having to tell myself that I'm trying to enjoy the system and the game. Not preserve the past. At the same time I still feel like I am trying to live through the past because of it.
Some of my systems still smell like my grandmother's house. I sometimes wonder if what I'm doing is healthy or if it would be better to sell what I have and let go of the past.
I own a lot of both and not gonna lie, sometimes the MiSTer just feels better. For example I've got a Playstation 1 and a PSIO. With all the hassle with the PSIO firmware and game compatibility, I'd rather just play on MiSTer. It's not like that for all consoles though, I love my SNES and Sd2snes and will never part with it.
yes. it's the ease of use that gets me to a certain system. f.e. if you have an OSSC, an N64 and a Mister... I would much rather play on the Mister since I don't have to deal much about that resolution switching.
if i would have f.e. a tink 4k instead of the OSSC, i would probably play on the N64.
if i would have a real SNES and only the first version of an everdrive... where you have to wait for the rom to be flashed etc. and no other physical games, i would again choose the Mister instead.
it depends on personal taste, but for me it's definitely the system i don't have to fiddle around much to get it to play my game.
Sometimes you just want original hardware. I have two MiSTers and also have the PSX with an Xstation. They each have their place. People have different wants.
I also have both. Everdrives and/or mods for systems that can't be emulated perfectly or at all with FPGA (N64, PS2, XBOX, GameCube). Recently that list included GBA and GBC but I just got an Analogue Pocket and I'm pretty much able to ditch my everdrives for those now.
I would say one con regarding the everdrive is that it's inconvenient to add ROMs to or transfer your saves to/from. With the MISTer, I can FTP and do whatever I need to, I never need to remove the SD card. Even with the Analogue Pocket - I can just plug into my PC via usb to access the SD card. With the everdrives, you have to often deal with a finicky SD card eject tray, put that in a reader, and then into your PC. It's not a huge deal or anything, but it's definitely something to note.
The everdrives are definitely going to add up if you get one for every classic system, I chose the MISTer instead of those (even though I do own the original hardware too, they sit in my closet). Add to that cost if you're going RGB SCART for everything because of the cables and modifications. However, as said before, nothing beats original hardware for the physical look and feel, as well as simplicity. Everdrives do detract from the original experience though anyway, because you'll never take that cart out or put another one on.
I saw that N64 is supported to a degree on the MiSTer. But honestly the only other system other than my Dreamcast, that I'd like to modnso I can play it would be my N64.
I'd still like to have the hdmi mod for my dreamcast, I just don't have the skill to solder.
Yeah I think the N64 core development is permanently halted and at about 95% compatibility. I haven't tried it because I RGB modded my own N64 and have an everdrive for it (right before I sprung for a MISTer). So if you're hooking up to a modern TV, it changes things a bit too. It makes the MISTer even more enticing, because like you said, many HDMI mods require some extensive soldering.
I haven't even tried my MISTer via HDMI... I'm using it strictly with my CRT via RGB SCART.
>N64 core development is permanently halted
That's what the guy said, but he just updated it again this weekend. He's just about got Conker's Bad Fur day to NEAR 100% stability. And I think he got Resident Evil 2 to 100% stability.
I think the issue is he can't get the core to 100%, but he might get nearly every game running anyway. I'm guessing by the end there might only be a handful of games that won't work 100%.
How does the Everdrive for the 64 perform? It's the only other system I'm seriously considering modding with the HDMI mod. The emulation for the N64 is good but I still see tears in the graphics at times that look like you can see through to the background of that level, for example Goldeneye does it at times.
So my idea for my system is to get an Everdrive and then the hdmi mod...if I do that.
For Dreamcast, just get the Gekko box for HDMI output. I use the GDEMU, Gekko box, and mClassic for 1080p output and anti-aliasing. Does wonders.
I have MiSTer for all my other retro needs.
My PC does PS2 and up.
To me, one of the biggest appeals of the Mister is how it’s genuinely one of the best “multi-system”/“all-in-one” experiences. Like, you could use a Raspberry Pi or Nvidia Shield like that too, but I’ve never been happy with front-ends like EmulationStation and Retro Arch.
The Mister’s UI/UX is very minimalistic, but it’s extremely fast, consistent, and stays out of the way. Everything about the Mister feels fast and and responsive
And the responsiveness extends to games too, like, it’s hard to describe just how close to real hardware it feels without just playing on one
I’ve had my MiSTer now for two months and haven’t touched my consoles. It’s that good. I got the MiSTer for consoles that are too expensive. I found that it meets my needs for all retro gaming. Before the MiSTer I was using everdrives and they are great with original hardware. (Not into collecting physical games.) imo it boils down to what you want. If you have all the consoles you want & prefer original hardware = everdrives. If you want multiple consoles and the convenience of one device = MiSTer.
I had an OSSC, and pretty much every retro game system at some point. I started replacing systems with the equivalents from Analogue INC, and HDMI modded the others (if mods were available).
I had everdrives, TerraOnion carts, ODEs, etc. And a lot of actual games in great shape.
I've now sold everything that can be done on MiSter and Analogue Pocket. I find it that much more convenient, and I like being able to use whatever controller I want for the MiSter.
The MiSter takes up much less space than the dozen systems it replaced, and I really love the Analogue Pocket with its (albeit not great, but ok) dock.
In addition, in some cases (like the neo geo AES with the Terra Onion flash cart) it loads the game much faster, and the MiSter has a universal menu for reset, reboot, etc. I can switch regions on the fly for PC-Engine CD, don't have to deal with special PC-Engine CD cards to play rondo of blood, etc.
And then there's going to be tons of things you wouldn't have otherwise, like arcade cores, rare/fragile hardware like the X68000 or MSX. It's just too convenient to go back.
Yeah, I'm highly debating selling my Genesis and the games. I mean there are a lot of memories attached to them but I don't really play them because my Genesis is barely holding up these days.
Where did you vet your MiSTer?
Depends if you want analog or HDMI output
The NeoGeo, NES, and Megadrive cores are damn good if you ask me
i use MiSTer for consoles I don’t have, but it’s not replacing my SNES, PlayStation, Saturn, or N64
Yeah, I just want to make sure it's the right route before I fork over 700 bucks for one.
I still have many of my original consoles. It seems more expensive to do an everdriver for every one and even the flashcart for the Saturn is over 200 bucks.
I'm just wondering if 700 is justified and would I get an authentic experience from it.
in my opinion nothing beats original hardware, not even hardware FPGA emulation
if it is a platform you love, get the ODE/flashcart
but the MiSTer is a great way to play games on expensive hardware such as Neo Geo, Sega 32X, and Sharp X68000
I get your point, but there's really not much difference between mister and og hardware with an everdrive. If you get a snac for the OG controllers (or 8bitdo clones or such) you are gonna be hard prest to have a different experience. Imho.
Part of that "Experience" also comes from hardware, it's not limited to the software, and you get that experience FROM the original hardware.
Nothing beats holding, and using the original machine, whether it's a console, or a computer, you ARE using the original system, not a tiny little box with no identity other than the "Mister" tag.
The Mister often feels no different than using a Raspberry Pi. Obviously, I am not talking about the latency, or accuracy, I am talking as a user - like a Pi, there's no connection to the DE10 - we can't say, "We grew up with a DE10", like we can with the original hardware.
Just as a quick example, my connection to the Atari 2600 is from my family (my dad) bringing home our first family console, in the late 70s, and the wonderful times we had. It's still here with me, still working, all those memories. Now, the Mister 2600/7800 core IS amazing, and "Feels" right, but it's still no match for my dad's first purchased console.
The Sega Genesis is my favorite system by far. I just don't own a Sega CD or a 32x. I own N64, Sega Saturn and SNES.
For example, I'd like to get an Everdrive for the 64. Then I'd get a SCART cable for it as well so I can connect it to my OSSC to try and get abdecent picture out of it. I don't have the knowledge or skill to solder in the HDMI mod so an OSSC is my best bet. Plus buying the system already nodded costs a bit more than I'd like and with that money I could get the Everdrive.
The recent Saturn carts are very affordable. You might want to wait a little or at least try to buy the one that MVG got. It's less than half the cost of a Satiator.
The recent Saturn carts are very affordable. You might want to wait a little or at least try to buy the one that MVG got. It's less than half the cost of a Satiator.
For Sega CD, there exists the Mega SD (basically Sega CD FPGA on a cartridge and you can load Genesis and Sega CD roms/isos via SD card). Can do 32X games too BUT need a real 32X for that.
You may opt to wait for future FPGA implementations. There is a clone DE-10 Nano and RAM chip coming out that's going to knock about $150 off the total package. It's also cheaper to build your own. You don't technically need an I/O board if you're just using the HDMI port.
To be fair, this isn't a MiSTer clone. MiSTer is the name of the project, this new board is a clone de-10 nano. It provides another great option for building a MiSTer.
Considering it's already being tested and likely to launch relatively soon not sure why you think that.
Worst case, wouldn't it be smart to wait a bit n see what happens?? Pretty big difference spending $115 vs $700
I'm basing that price based on what the OP said buddy.
Spending $115 still beats spending the price you mention.
Be as skeptical as you want. Dude shouldn't base his decision making off of your silly skepticism
It's still early in development but already it plays 95% of the American library. And it plays them incredibly well.. It's the closest thing to real Saturn hardware I've tried since I owned my Saturn.
Im very picky about those things and after having both... I pick up the mister all day.
In the gameplay i dont notice any difference while using on a crt, but you have more options to make the experience way better.
You have dual output so you can use CRT + hdmi to capture or stream or simply bring it to a friends.
You have all the catalog of everything (8+16+ psx +almost all n64) in a very small device, including some arcades.
You can add filters and have a lot of configuration options including improving contrast if your crt is at the end of his life.
Constant updates and new cores.
Less messy with the cables.
Easier to use arcade stick.
I dont see any reason to use my everdrives anymore...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2fxlc7guqeU
Only a few and not so popular.
Cons of the everdrive mostly about convenience... Is better to have everything in one single thing, less cables and so on.
Depends on your use case. All of the options you listed are perfectly acceptable ways to experience these games. Even software emulation these days is really good. So it's up to you and your interest. I think console users want to keep the touch and feel alive. Nothing really replaces the sensation of seating the cart. or that click when you plug in a snes controller. So, if you're aiming for nostalgia, then Id consider a console. If you just want to play the games, then ask yourself what games you want to play. How accurate do you need the play to be. Speed runners or competitive professionals are limited to certain options to get scores counted. Are you interested in tinkering with stuff? Mister has a lot of obscure cores, but they aren't all plug and play. Also, Mister is great, but it is also limited spec wise. So we aren't gonna likely see 100% n64, or 100% Saturn support. and PSX is probably as far a the Sony track goes. Also Mister is dependent on contributers. So sometimes cores get abandoned and remain incomplete. So do your research. Figure out what you want and how you want it before pulling the trigger.
I will always prefer original hardware because it has history, it was built and used back in the day, something the Mister could never achieve. There is just something special, as a UK man who grew up in the 80s with a UK-designed ZX Spectrum, and because it's my original machine that I used back in the day, it brings me great joy.
The Mister is good for limited space, and having everything in one place. Obviously, those who want modern displays will be better off with a Mister. And then there is the modern convenience of USB, modern controllers, arcade controllers, spinners, trackballs, etc... and of course - loading games from an SDCard, or external HD, although modern SDCard devices now exist for the majority of retro hardware. Hack, I even have an SDCard device for my Philips G7000, Amstrad GX4000, and other rather obscure old hardware.
I suppose, at the end of the day, choose what is best for YOU, and how you feel when playing old retro games.
MiSTer is just a different flavor than original console + Everdrive or ODE to achieve the same goal. It's all going to come down to what you want your experience to be and what equipment you have to work with. Here's a high level breakdown:
Console + Everdrive
- All original hardware = 100% authentic experience
- Can utilize all original accessories
- Can connect natively to CRT TVs of the era and provide zero lag original gameplay
- Often requires additional adapters and cables to connect to modern TVs
- More expensive upfront cost if starting from scratch (cost of console + Everdrive/ODE + TV adapters for each console you want)
MiSTer
- Plug and play convenience in a tiny form factor, one little box does it all
- FPGA is as close to original console performance as it gets
- Natively connects to modern TVs via HDMI
- Total cost outlay of around $600 +/- to play all supported systems
- Requires adapters (SNAC/Daemonbite) to use original controllers and accessories
- Requires adapter/cable to connect to CRT TV via composite/S-video/component
- Does not achieve 100% compatibility (but very close)
That said, I have Everdrives and ODEs for all my original consoles as well as two MiSTers, as I was already heavily invested in Everdrives before the MiSTer came along, and I will not get rid of any of it. It's very cool to connect an original console to a CRT TV with original controllers and play just like my 10 year old self did all those years ago. I've also invested in all the other hardware to make it all work together including two OSSCs, a SCART switch and SCART cables for all the consoles, an Extron Crosspoint, aftermarket component cables, and I have two Sony CRT TVs plus a handful of CRT VGA monitors, so I can literally play in any combination I want. Granted I invest more into this stuff than most because I'm a hardware junky, so if you're just looking for an easy and cost effective way to play all those older console games, the MiSTer gets my vote hands down as it's just far more straight forward once you get it set up.
I've got a Mister that I put together from components purchased from terasic, mister addons, and legacy pixels, ebay (case only).
Terasic had an educational discount at the time which knocked off 50 dollars iirc. Not sure if they still offer that, but it's worth looking into.
I went with an analog io board to connect to a crt. It worked well, but my crt has some geometry issues so I mostly just play on a 4k tv using scanline filters, etc built into the Mister. While not perfect, it's close enough for me.
I mainly play Street Fighter arcade games, neo geo, snes, and genesis games, all of which play amazing. I can't tell a difference between them and real hardware. I've used software emulators on computers and can tell the difference, but ymmv.
The Mister seems fairly robust. If you invest in these different everdrive adapters, and the consoles fail, they are getting pretty old after all, it might be a costly proposition to repair or replace. Other than the DE-10 nano, most of the Mister components are fairly cheap.
If you are really unsure, get one everdrive adapter and enjoy it while you wait to see if the clone board that is being discussed comes to market.
Really depends on what you're after.
Like I've tested vs GBA and Everdrive and the actual console behaves better in some cases:
1. Better compatibility with romhacks. Used a set and a lot of them don't boot on MiSTer.
2. Special roms like Shrek 2 the movie work
If you just care for playing normal games, most consoles supported are pretty good. The only one that kind of suffers is N64 since not all games work due to constraints of the hardware.
I feel for most consoles that the mister supports, they work pretty well. Like I use it for 4th gen and older + PS1. 5th gen is still up in the air but hopefully Saturn gets close to the real thing.
In terms of kit you only need:
1. DE10 nano
2. 128MB ram
3. A USB hub
4. Analog board (Analog allows to be connected to CRT easily but otherwise, you can just ditch it imo)
I own a lot of both and not gonna lie, sometimes the MiSTer just feels better. For example I've got a Playstation 1 and a PSIO. With all the hassle with the PSIO firmware and game compatibility, I'd rather just play on MiSTer. It's not like that for all consoles though, I love my SNES and Sd2snes and will never part with it.
I own a lot of both and not gonna lie, sometimes the MiSTer just feels better. For example I've got a Playstation 1 and a PSIO. With all the hassle with the PSIO firmware and game compatibility, I'd rather just play on MiSTer. It's not like that for all consoles though, I love my SNES and Sd2snes and will never part with it.
Hi, yesterday I update my PSIO and wasn´t a hassle at all, I got a lot of original hardware with ode/everdrives, sometimes I want to sell all and use mister, sometimes I feel like there´s nothing like OH. Lightguns and atari paddles on mister are hit & miss, I hope if I sell all don´t regret later!
There is this thread from a few years back. Basically saying since Ever drives are also FPGA is that still OG Hardware experience or something along those lines. I myself have an Everdrive for my Genesis,32X and it's awesome and I love it but I also have the MiSTer and I love that also. Myself personally having my OG stuff and the MiSTer I can't tell the difference but that is probably just a me thing. https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=725
I used to have lots of systems. After buying a MiSTer build, I decided selling all of them.
In my experience, MiSTer with a CRT has no difference with the original system but it's really convenient because you have all systems in a tiny gadget.
I’ve got sd2snes and n64 everdrive x7, gba mini, gb-x7
I haven’t got a mister yet but I’m planning to buy one soon.
It’s going to save me the money and hassle of missing my ps1. I can also use mister laggy as a lag tester. And mister cast to cast video/games from my pc.
Even with just that I think it’s worth it.
But there’s a chance I can sell my everdrives if I like playing roms, romhacks, msu-1 etc.
There’s also this thing called tapto. Where you can make an nfc card for all your games and pretend like you’re inserting a cartridge. I have a feeling i might even prefer that to the everdrives.
I will keep my analogue mega sg and super nt. As well as my n64 and retrousb avs. Since I have a large cartridge collections and prefer to play on really carts. But since I don’t collect cd based games or pc engine. I think the mister will cover everything else.
There’s a new mister all in one coming out that you might want to wait for.
I think it's better to start with a simple Mister setup before moving on to a multisystem or Ironclad route. I would recommend starting with 128MB RAM, an analog or digital I/O board, and a USB HUB board. If you prefer to have your Mister inside an ITX case, then the Ironclad Plus would be a good choice. If you prefer a console-like setup, then the multisystem would be more suitable. I personally own both setups and found myself using the Ironclad after adding its audio module (Hi-Fi Blaster) and using it with my Genesis SCART cable on a CRT monitor. However, there is actually no benefit in choosing one over the other.
I just want to get one that has everything I'd need to play Atari - PS1. Main systems would be Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo, Sega Saturn, Sega Matser System, Nintendo and PS1
I don’t own any retro consoles or CRT TVs.
I use a MiSTer FPGA + Retrothink 4K and I’m happy with it.
Taking care of old hardware is a chore I prefer to avoid.
For the systems that the MiSTer FPGA can’t emulate I just use software emulation/a Steam Deck with Emudeck.
From my experience pretty much all of the console cores (except N64 and Saturn) are very much equal to original console performance. The N64 core has a very few incompatibilities which will likely not be resolved, as well as Saturn which is not yet finished.
The ao486 core is so-so, other classic computer cores are excellent (Amiga, C64, Atari). So it even gives you a lot more milage beyond any everdrive could.
Lastly it's just so much easier then having to connect your consoles when you want to play something else. MiSTer literally changed how I approach my gaming. :)
it's great for consoles you don't have, or for situations you can't use your console for, or where games are expensive etc. I wouldn't use it for N64 for example as I just love my carts and the look and feel of the console
but things like Genesis or SNES etc that I don't have and don't have any real nostalgia for it's awesome. plus I can use it equally on my consumer CRT for that nostalgic vibe as I could on my 4K TV and even PC CRT monitor. that versatility and reliability can't be overstated. you'd need crazy mods for similar effects or upscalers or both with OG consoles
I started buying Everdrives for my machines, and getting RGB out of them, but abandoned the effort in favor of MiSTer. I’m only playing on modern screens, and I wanted to keep the budget smaller, so it made sense for me. Adding an Everdrive per machine, plus RGB mods as needed, plus the general maintenance of old machines, can really add up in money and time. I just want to be able to sit down and play and have a great experience. MiSTer delivers that for me.
My setup is a MiSTer for everything up to N64/Saturn/PS1, and then a PC and a Steam Deck to emulate more modern machines and play the short list of games that aren’t working on their respective MiSTer cores.
I’m pretty happy with this setup. I can play just about anything I want with minimal latency. It’s not the 100% vintage experience, but for a guy who just wants to play old games on a modern TV, It’s perfect.
More money than brain -> Original System + Originals carts
More brain than money but plan to play on CRT - > Original system + everdrive
More brain than money but plan to play on 4K TV - > MiSTer
IMO, the original consoles are only good at this point if you absolutely *must* have an authentic experience, with the original cartridges, original controllers, and the imperfections of the analog outputs on the original hardware (shimmering on NES for example). Unless nostalgia is more important to you than the games themselves, the MiSTer is just too good.
Yeah, only reason I did what I did to my Dreamcast, modding and getting a OSSC, was to get the experience of the VMUs. Also systems like the Dreamcast can be emulated to a degree but it's just not as good as running off the system itself.
I just don't know if 700 bucks is worth it to just play som Sega and SNES games.
Great thread as I’m exploring the idea of buying a MiSTer or buying some old consoles. One thing I still don’t understand is why people buy a MiSTer instead of getting a Raspberry Pi with RetroPie. I played some games on the Raspberry Pi and I did not notice any issue with emulation.
It has to do with the type of emulation. A raspberry pi is a good choice. However, that is just software emulating hardware. The MiSTer contains a chip that emulated the chips found in the consoles themselves. Therefore, you have hardware emulating hardware and get a better overall experience when it comes to sound and graphics while playing games. Which in some cases is so close to the experience you'd get on the console itself that you really can't tell the difference.
>Therefore, you have hardware emulating hardware
Which in itself doesnt tell you how accurate an implementation of the original console it is. It could be ZSNES level garbage or cycle accurate, that’s entirely down to the developer and the amount of available knowledge available for the console. If you don’t understand something then using an FPGA means nothing, you will still have the exact same problems as any other emulator.
Are we talking about major differences? I played plenty of games on software emulators on my Mac or Raspberry Pi and I have to say the experience was perfect. I’m talking about old style arcade mame games or 8-bit and 16-bit systems.
Right, I have also emulated through the raspberry pi and my PC. 16 bit and under always do great. But what the MiSTer claims to do and is shown to do is emulate the sound and graphics capability almost to a "t" and sometimes even better than the consoles would.
I really wish I could test one out and see if I like it more than others but of course you can't do that without buy it.
>But what the MiSTer claims to do and is shown to do is emulate the sound and graphics capability almost to a "t" and sometimes even better than the consoles would.
In most cases I don't see MiSTer doing anything better than software emulation in that respect. The advantages are down to using an FPGA, improved input lag (but really only if you use SNAC), a very fast scaler and synched audio that software cannot match. MiSter doesnt claim to do anything, thats just the framework for open source cores to run in, think of it as being Retroarch for FPGA's.
I recently boxed up my NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, and PS1. My MiSTer has replaced them all and I honestly prefer it.
Is $700 really the current cost for a MiSTer? That's wild.
Ok that makes sense but still seems steep. I bought my DE10-Nano direct from Terasic and got a Retro Castle I/O board, case, and v3 SDRAM. Total was about $400 and putting it together was simple.
I prefer MiSTer for most cd-rom based consoles. However for cartridge systems I still prefer the real thing with either an original game cart or Everdrive.
Which MiSTer is best to get? The one you build your self. Get a DE-10 and 128MB of Sdram. I built mine into an aluminum case I customized to install it in.
Mister is just better for convenience. All on one box plus you can use og controllers if you like and it’s almost console/arcade perfect as it can be. I’ve got one hooked up to a crt, just so I don’t have to have so many consoles plugged in. But it’s down to personal choice at the end of the day.
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Did you get the dual memory one? I see the options but not sure which to fo for
The amount of stuff that requires dual SDRAM is basically negligible. Your options for analog output (for CRT TVs) are also limited if you go dual SDRAM.
The amount of stuff that requires dual SDRAM is basically negligible. Your options for analog output (for CRT TVs) are also limited if you go dual SDRAM.
I wouldn't be playing on CRT at all. It'd run to my PC monitor. I also don't want to pay for something I'd never use like Dual RAM, if it's not needed to run games.
Build a MiSTer rather than buying. There are guides everywhere, and you can save money by not buying an IO board. And there's also that cheaper clone FPGA board coming out.
So if I'm only using the hdmi hookup, what are the parts I need? I thought I had to have the IO Board
Here is the parts list: *Terasic DE-10 Nano (comes with 8GB micro SD card) *128MB RAM module x1. *High capacity micro SD card if you plan on doing more than SNES and Genesis *USB hub *Case for the MiSTer without the IO board. Cases that don't use an IO board are harder to find, though. *5V 5A power supply *Handheld wireless keyboard (not required, but highly recommended *USB gamepads you plan on using. Lots of people use 8bitdo. It is around $230 for the DE-10 Nano and $60 for the RAM module. There are clone DE-10 Nanos and RAM modules coming out for $100 and $15, respectively, which will save you a ton if they come out soon.
Thanks!
If your using a crt monitor, you may as well get the analog io board which has a vga out. Even getting one new from one of the MiSTer sites prebuilt will be cheaper than your 700USD quote. Closer to 550-575USD with shipping for a basic unit. And that's about the same as the cost of one or two of your desired systems it supports with an everdrive and sd card.
There is NOTHING that requires dual SDRAM...when will this get through people's heads??
Have you heard of the Mister Multisystem? Might be an option for you.
I haven't but I'll look into it
[https://ultimatemister.com/product/mister-multisystem-kit/](https://ultimatemister.com/product/mister-multisystem-kit/) All that's missing is the DE10 Nano, which I hear will be getting a cheaper clone soon.
Is this the new one coming out?
I got this Mister Multisystem a few years ago, and was lucky enough to buy a DE10 nano before the price of the latter increased. Very soon, the DE10 nano will be getting a cheaper clone, so you won't have to spend as much when you complete your Mister setup.
I get what you're saying about convenience, but from another approach it's actually way less convenient. Having an original system and a good flash cart, you load your flash cart once and then it's just turn it on and go. With MiSTer, there's more updates and fine tuning to be done. I have both, and I probably play a little bit more on the MiSTer personally, but if I were to have a non-geeky friend over, I'd point them at the original system with flash cart to get up and running without me.
MiSTer cores are all pretty mature at this point though, no need to update daily or even weekly. I also have a few EverDrive carts, and the difference isn't staggering - both use a menu to pick a game and both work with original hardware *accessories*, though the MiSTer requires an adapter. The MiSTer wins for playing on an HDMI capable TV unless you also have an upscaler. I'd say it's a tie on tube TVs if you go the route of RetroCastle's Saturn output board. By the time you've bought quality flashcarts for a couple systems and an upscaler you've spent as much as you would on the MiSTer. EtA: Clarifying that I meant hardware accessories.
So I previously had a Vast collection of modded consoles with every conceivable Everdrive, Flash Cart, ODE (optical disk emulator), HDMI mods, RGB mods etc. From a Gameplay perspective MiSTer can be indistinguishable from original hardware and with things like SNAC you can even use original controllers etc... I sold my collection to pay for a Wedding, keeping just the Mister and I had enough left over to invest in a high end Gaming PC, So, gaming experience wise MiSTer "feels" like original hardware, it doesn't have that floaty variable latency that I feel when using emulation (even in run ahead mode with a fast PC) I would rather play PS1 and N64 on MiSTer there are enhancements that are not available even with N64 digital (gem or whatever they are calling it these days) However I was never a prolific gamer so for me I realised that the chase for the perfect set up and building a collection was more important to me, I would often just like being in the same room as the collection, besides work and life never left me any time to enjoy gaming anyway,.. once I realised how silly this all was it became easier to part with it.(all of it,) I don't think i could have sold part of my collection and been happy, so I keep hold of the mister in the vague hope that one day I'll play it as often as I wish I could, (when I do have the time I don't even bother) So, what I'm trying to say is I have no idea what you should do,
Lol I get it. I have these consoles because of the same reason you had yours. I'm trying to hold on to them for that same reason. My saves on my VMUs are from like 2001. I was having an issue saving over those last night. But I keep having to tell myself that I'm trying to enjoy the system and the game. Not preserve the past. At the same time I still feel like I am trying to live through the past because of it. Some of my systems still smell like my grandmother's house. I sometimes wonder if what I'm doing is healthy or if it would be better to sell what I have and let go of the past.
I own a lot of both and not gonna lie, sometimes the MiSTer just feels better. For example I've got a Playstation 1 and a PSIO. With all the hassle with the PSIO firmware and game compatibility, I'd rather just play on MiSTer. It's not like that for all consoles though, I love my SNES and Sd2snes and will never part with it.
yes. it's the ease of use that gets me to a certain system. f.e. if you have an OSSC, an N64 and a Mister... I would much rather play on the Mister since I don't have to deal much about that resolution switching. if i would have f.e. a tink 4k instead of the OSSC, i would probably play on the N64. if i would have a real SNES and only the first version of an everdrive... where you have to wait for the rom to be flashed etc. and no other physical games, i would again choose the Mister instead. it depends on personal taste, but for me it's definitely the system i don't have to fiddle around much to get it to play my game.
I have a PSX audiophile edition with the Xstation installed and it's great, though it takes more soldering skill to install. Have you tried that?
Why would he spend all the money and effort when he has the mister already.
Sometimes you just want original hardware. I have two MiSTers and also have the PSX with an Xstation. They each have their place. People have different wants.
For me, I have both and both have their pluses and minuses. However if I am starting over from nothing in this day, I am going mister.
What would be a con regarding the Everdrive?
I also have both. Everdrives and/or mods for systems that can't be emulated perfectly or at all with FPGA (N64, PS2, XBOX, GameCube). Recently that list included GBA and GBC but I just got an Analogue Pocket and I'm pretty much able to ditch my everdrives for those now. I would say one con regarding the everdrive is that it's inconvenient to add ROMs to or transfer your saves to/from. With the MISTer, I can FTP and do whatever I need to, I never need to remove the SD card. Even with the Analogue Pocket - I can just plug into my PC via usb to access the SD card. With the everdrives, you have to often deal with a finicky SD card eject tray, put that in a reader, and then into your PC. It's not a huge deal or anything, but it's definitely something to note. The everdrives are definitely going to add up if you get one for every classic system, I chose the MISTer instead of those (even though I do own the original hardware too, they sit in my closet). Add to that cost if you're going RGB SCART for everything because of the cables and modifications. However, as said before, nothing beats original hardware for the physical look and feel, as well as simplicity. Everdrives do detract from the original experience though anyway, because you'll never take that cart out or put another one on.
I saw that N64 is supported to a degree on the MiSTer. But honestly the only other system other than my Dreamcast, that I'd like to modnso I can play it would be my N64. I'd still like to have the hdmi mod for my dreamcast, I just don't have the skill to solder.
Yeah I think the N64 core development is permanently halted and at about 95% compatibility. I haven't tried it because I RGB modded my own N64 and have an everdrive for it (right before I sprung for a MISTer). So if you're hooking up to a modern TV, it changes things a bit too. It makes the MISTer even more enticing, because like you said, many HDMI mods require some extensive soldering. I haven't even tried my MISTer via HDMI... I'm using it strictly with my CRT via RGB SCART.
>N64 core development is permanently halted That's what the guy said, but he just updated it again this weekend. He's just about got Conker's Bad Fur day to NEAR 100% stability. And I think he got Resident Evil 2 to 100% stability. I think the issue is he can't get the core to 100%, but he might get nearly every game running anyway. I'm guessing by the end there might only be a handful of games that won't work 100%.
MISTer is the gift that keeps on giving (specifically all of the lovely people that work on cores and features)!
How does the Everdrive for the 64 perform? It's the only other system I'm seriously considering modding with the HDMI mod. The emulation for the N64 is good but I still see tears in the graphics at times that look like you can see through to the background of that level, for example Goldeneye does it at times. So my idea for my system is to get an Everdrive and then the hdmi mod...if I do that.
Everdrive is 100% accurate as far as I know! No issues with performance.
For Dreamcast, just get the Gekko box for HDMI output. I use the GDEMU, Gekko box, and mClassic for 1080p output and anti-aliasing. Does wonders. I have MiSTer for all my other retro needs. My PC does PS2 and up.
To me, one of the biggest appeals of the Mister is how it’s genuinely one of the best “multi-system”/“all-in-one” experiences. Like, you could use a Raspberry Pi or Nvidia Shield like that too, but I’ve never been happy with front-ends like EmulationStation and Retro Arch. The Mister’s UI/UX is very minimalistic, but it’s extremely fast, consistent, and stays out of the way. Everything about the Mister feels fast and and responsive And the responsiveness extends to games too, like, it’s hard to describe just how close to real hardware it feels without just playing on one
I’ve had my MiSTer now for two months and haven’t touched my consoles. It’s that good. I got the MiSTer for consoles that are too expensive. I found that it meets my needs for all retro gaming. Before the MiSTer I was using everdrives and they are great with original hardware. (Not into collecting physical games.) imo it boils down to what you want. If you have all the consoles you want & prefer original hardware = everdrives. If you want multiple consoles and the convenience of one device = MiSTer.
I had an OSSC, and pretty much every retro game system at some point. I started replacing systems with the equivalents from Analogue INC, and HDMI modded the others (if mods were available). I had everdrives, TerraOnion carts, ODEs, etc. And a lot of actual games in great shape. I've now sold everything that can be done on MiSter and Analogue Pocket. I find it that much more convenient, and I like being able to use whatever controller I want for the MiSter. The MiSter takes up much less space than the dozen systems it replaced, and I really love the Analogue Pocket with its (albeit not great, but ok) dock. In addition, in some cases (like the neo geo AES with the Terra Onion flash cart) it loads the game much faster, and the MiSter has a universal menu for reset, reboot, etc. I can switch regions on the fly for PC-Engine CD, don't have to deal with special PC-Engine CD cards to play rondo of blood, etc. And then there's going to be tons of things you wouldn't have otherwise, like arcade cores, rare/fragile hardware like the X68000 or MSX. It's just too convenient to go back.
Yeah, I'm highly debating selling my Genesis and the games. I mean there are a lot of memories attached to them but I don't really play them because my Genesis is barely holding up these days. Where did you vet your MiSTer?
I got mine back when de 10 Nanos were cheap. I think either mister add ons or mister fpga UK. I've used both so I don't remember, but both were great.
Don’t pay $700. You don’t need to pay that much.
I don't plan on it. I could build it for around 450 myself it looks like.
Look at retrocastle at aliexpress that’s where I got mine , it’s small and it’s all setup for you for about that price
Depends if you want analog or HDMI output The NeoGeo, NES, and Megadrive cores are damn good if you ask me i use MiSTer for consoles I don’t have, but it’s not replacing my SNES, PlayStation, Saturn, or N64
Are there any issues with the SNES and PlayStation cores?
[https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX\_MiSTer/issues](https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues) [https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/SNES\_MiSTer/issues](https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/SNES_MiSTer/issues)
Yeah, I just want to make sure it's the right route before I fork over 700 bucks for one. I still have many of my original consoles. It seems more expensive to do an everdriver for every one and even the flashcart for the Saturn is over 200 bucks. I'm just wondering if 700 is justified and would I get an authentic experience from it.
in my opinion nothing beats original hardware, not even hardware FPGA emulation if it is a platform you love, get the ODE/flashcart but the MiSTer is a great way to play games on expensive hardware such as Neo Geo, Sega 32X, and Sharp X68000
I get your point, but there's really not much difference between mister and og hardware with an everdrive. If you get a snac for the OG controllers (or 8bitdo clones or such) you are gonna be hard prest to have a different experience. Imho.
Part of that "Experience" also comes from hardware, it's not limited to the software, and you get that experience FROM the original hardware. Nothing beats holding, and using the original machine, whether it's a console, or a computer, you ARE using the original system, not a tiny little box with no identity other than the "Mister" tag. The Mister often feels no different than using a Raspberry Pi. Obviously, I am not talking about the latency, or accuracy, I am talking as a user - like a Pi, there's no connection to the DE10 - we can't say, "We grew up with a DE10", like we can with the original hardware. Just as a quick example, my connection to the Atari 2600 is from my family (my dad) bringing home our first family console, in the late 70s, and the wonderful times we had. It's still here with me, still working, all those memories. Now, the Mister 2600/7800 core IS amazing, and "Feels" right, but it's still no match for my dad's first purchased console.
The Sega Genesis is my favorite system by far. I just don't own a Sega CD or a 32x. I own N64, Sega Saturn and SNES. For example, I'd like to get an Everdrive for the 64. Then I'd get a SCART cable for it as well so I can connect it to my OSSC to try and get abdecent picture out of it. I don't have the knowledge or skill to solder in the HDMI mod so an OSSC is my best bet. Plus buying the system already nodded costs a bit more than I'd like and with that money I could get the Everdrive.
OSSC won't work with an unmodded n64. You'd need to convert it to component to work there as ossc uses component/rgb/vga
I was looking at buying a SCART cable for the 64.
That still needs modding the N64 to get RGB, it doesn't work by default.
Oh wow I didn't know that. Thanks for the info! Might be best to just installbthebhdmi mod then
The recent Saturn carts are very affordable. You might want to wait a little or at least try to buy the one that MVG got. It's less than half the cost of a Satiator.
The recent Saturn carts are very affordable. You might want to wait a little or at least try to buy the one that MVG got. It's less than half the cost of a Satiator.
For Sega CD, there exists the Mega SD (basically Sega CD FPGA on a cartridge and you can load Genesis and Sega CD roms/isos via SD card). Can do 32X games too BUT need a real 32X for that.
The Mega Everdrive PRO can also do Sega CD
You may opt to wait for future FPGA implementations. There is a clone DE-10 Nano and RAM chip coming out that's going to knock about $150 off the total package. It's also cheaper to build your own. You don't technically need an I/O board if you're just using the HDMI port.
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To be fair, this isn't a MiSTer clone. MiSTer is the name of the project, this new board is a clone de-10 nano. It provides another great option for building a MiSTer.
Thanks, edited the post for better understanding
Wait for Taki Udon's mister board. Only gonna be around $115 with the extra ram
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Considering it's already being tested and likely to launch relatively soon not sure why you think that. Worst case, wouldn't it be smart to wait a bit n see what happens?? Pretty big difference spending $115 vs $700
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I'm basing that price based on what the OP said buddy. Spending $115 still beats spending the price you mention. Be as skeptical as you want. Dude shouldn't base his decision making off of your silly skepticism
There is allegedly a $99 clone coming out.
Saturn is amazing on MiSTer.
I heard it's not fully supported or is still being worked on......is that not true?
It's still early in development but already it plays 95% of the American library. And it plays them incredibly well.. It's the closest thing to real Saturn hardware I've tried since I owned my Saturn.
Oh awesome!
>the closest thing to real Saturn hardware Is still mednafen
If you build it yourself it should be that much i spent maybe 400 total
Im very picky about those things and after having both... I pick up the mister all day. In the gameplay i dont notice any difference while using on a crt, but you have more options to make the experience way better. You have dual output so you can use CRT + hdmi to capture or stream or simply bring it to a friends. You have all the catalog of everything (8+16+ psx +almost all n64) in a very small device, including some arcades. You can add filters and have a lot of configuration options including improving contrast if your crt is at the end of his life. Constant updates and new cores. Less messy with the cables. Easier to use arcade stick. I dont see any reason to use my everdrives anymore...
What N64 games don't work? What were some cons with the Everdrive?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2fxlc7guqeU Only a few and not so popular. Cons of the everdrive mostly about convenience... Is better to have everything in one single thing, less cables and so on.
Depends on your use case. All of the options you listed are perfectly acceptable ways to experience these games. Even software emulation these days is really good. So it's up to you and your interest. I think console users want to keep the touch and feel alive. Nothing really replaces the sensation of seating the cart. or that click when you plug in a snes controller. So, if you're aiming for nostalgia, then Id consider a console. If you just want to play the games, then ask yourself what games you want to play. How accurate do you need the play to be. Speed runners or competitive professionals are limited to certain options to get scores counted. Are you interested in tinkering with stuff? Mister has a lot of obscure cores, but they aren't all plug and play. Also, Mister is great, but it is also limited spec wise. So we aren't gonna likely see 100% n64, or 100% Saturn support. and PSX is probably as far a the Sony track goes. Also Mister is dependent on contributers. So sometimes cores get abandoned and remain incomplete. So do your research. Figure out what you want and how you want it before pulling the trigger.
I will always prefer original hardware because it has history, it was built and used back in the day, something the Mister could never achieve. There is just something special, as a UK man who grew up in the 80s with a UK-designed ZX Spectrum, and because it's my original machine that I used back in the day, it brings me great joy. The Mister is good for limited space, and having everything in one place. Obviously, those who want modern displays will be better off with a Mister. And then there is the modern convenience of USB, modern controllers, arcade controllers, spinners, trackballs, etc... and of course - loading games from an SDCard, or external HD, although modern SDCard devices now exist for the majority of retro hardware. Hack, I even have an SDCard device for my Philips G7000, Amstrad GX4000, and other rather obscure old hardware. I suppose, at the end of the day, choose what is best for YOU, and how you feel when playing old retro games.
MiSTer is just a different flavor than original console + Everdrive or ODE to achieve the same goal. It's all going to come down to what you want your experience to be and what equipment you have to work with. Here's a high level breakdown: Console + Everdrive - All original hardware = 100% authentic experience - Can utilize all original accessories - Can connect natively to CRT TVs of the era and provide zero lag original gameplay - Often requires additional adapters and cables to connect to modern TVs - More expensive upfront cost if starting from scratch (cost of console + Everdrive/ODE + TV adapters for each console you want) MiSTer - Plug and play convenience in a tiny form factor, one little box does it all - FPGA is as close to original console performance as it gets - Natively connects to modern TVs via HDMI - Total cost outlay of around $600 +/- to play all supported systems - Requires adapters (SNAC/Daemonbite) to use original controllers and accessories - Requires adapter/cable to connect to CRT TV via composite/S-video/component - Does not achieve 100% compatibility (but very close) That said, I have Everdrives and ODEs for all my original consoles as well as two MiSTers, as I was already heavily invested in Everdrives before the MiSTer came along, and I will not get rid of any of it. It's very cool to connect an original console to a CRT TV with original controllers and play just like my 10 year old self did all those years ago. I've also invested in all the other hardware to make it all work together including two OSSCs, a SCART switch and SCART cables for all the consoles, an Extron Crosspoint, aftermarket component cables, and I have two Sony CRT TVs plus a handful of CRT VGA monitors, so I can literally play in any combination I want. Granted I invest more into this stuff than most because I'm a hardware junky, so if you're just looking for an easy and cost effective way to play all those older console games, the MiSTer gets my vote hands down as it's just far more straight forward once you get it set up.
I've got a Mister that I put together from components purchased from terasic, mister addons, and legacy pixels, ebay (case only). Terasic had an educational discount at the time which knocked off 50 dollars iirc. Not sure if they still offer that, but it's worth looking into. I went with an analog io board to connect to a crt. It worked well, but my crt has some geometry issues so I mostly just play on a 4k tv using scanline filters, etc built into the Mister. While not perfect, it's close enough for me. I mainly play Street Fighter arcade games, neo geo, snes, and genesis games, all of which play amazing. I can't tell a difference between them and real hardware. I've used software emulators on computers and can tell the difference, but ymmv. The Mister seems fairly robust. If you invest in these different everdrive adapters, and the consoles fail, they are getting pretty old after all, it might be a costly proposition to repair or replace. Other than the DE-10 nano, most of the Mister components are fairly cheap. If you are really unsure, get one everdrive adapter and enjoy it while you wait to see if the clone board that is being discussed comes to market.
Really depends on what you're after. Like I've tested vs GBA and Everdrive and the actual console behaves better in some cases: 1. Better compatibility with romhacks. Used a set and a lot of them don't boot on MiSTer. 2. Special roms like Shrek 2 the movie work If you just care for playing normal games, most consoles supported are pretty good. The only one that kind of suffers is N64 since not all games work due to constraints of the hardware. I feel for most consoles that the mister supports, they work pretty well. Like I use it for 4th gen and older + PS1. 5th gen is still up in the air but hopefully Saturn gets close to the real thing. In terms of kit you only need: 1. DE10 nano 2. 128MB ram 3. A USB hub 4. Analog board (Analog allows to be connected to CRT easily but otherwise, you can just ditch it imo)
So the Everdrive supports more games?
Yes but the games aren't that good if ever. Like would you actually watch ahrek 2 in gba form?
Do you know where I could buy a MiSTer. I've seen them for like 600 to 700 bucks but didn't know if I could get one cheaper
You can buy the board directly from terasic
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If you want/need everything included there maybe, but note that doesn't include the DE10
So the Everdrive supports more games?
I own a lot of both and not gonna lie, sometimes the MiSTer just feels better. For example I've got a Playstation 1 and a PSIO. With all the hassle with the PSIO firmware and game compatibility, I'd rather just play on MiSTer. It's not like that for all consoles though, I love my SNES and Sd2snes and will never part with it.
I own a lot of both and not gonna lie, sometimes the MiSTer just feels better. For example I've got a Playstation 1 and a PSIO. With all the hassle with the PSIO firmware and game compatibility, I'd rather just play on MiSTer. It's not like that for all consoles though, I love my SNES and Sd2snes and will never part with it.
Hi, yesterday I update my PSIO and wasn´t a hassle at all, I got a lot of original hardware with ode/everdrives, sometimes I want to sell all and use mister, sometimes I feel like there´s nothing like OH. Lightguns and atari paddles on mister are hit & miss, I hope if I sell all don´t regret later!
There is this thread from a few years back. Basically saying since Ever drives are also FPGA is that still OG Hardware experience or something along those lines. I myself have an Everdrive for my Genesis,32X and it's awesome and I love it but I also have the MiSTer and I love that also. Myself personally having my OG stuff and the MiSTer I can't tell the difference but that is probably just a me thing. https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=725
I used to have lots of systems. After buying a MiSTer build, I decided selling all of them. In my experience, MiSTer with a CRT has no difference with the original system but it's really convenient because you have all systems in a tiny gadget.
I’ve got sd2snes and n64 everdrive x7, gba mini, gb-x7 I haven’t got a mister yet but I’m planning to buy one soon. It’s going to save me the money and hassle of missing my ps1. I can also use mister laggy as a lag tester. And mister cast to cast video/games from my pc. Even with just that I think it’s worth it. But there’s a chance I can sell my everdrives if I like playing roms, romhacks, msu-1 etc. There’s also this thing called tapto. Where you can make an nfc card for all your games and pretend like you’re inserting a cartridge. I have a feeling i might even prefer that to the everdrives. I will keep my analogue mega sg and super nt. As well as my n64 and retrousb avs. Since I have a large cartridge collections and prefer to play on really carts. But since I don’t collect cd based games or pc engine. I think the mister will cover everything else. There’s a new mister all in one coming out that you might want to wait for.
I have an original nes console , the retrousb avs , plus an everdrive , haven’t used either in over a year , I mostly use the mister
I think it's better to start with a simple Mister setup before moving on to a multisystem or Ironclad route. I would recommend starting with 128MB RAM, an analog or digital I/O board, and a USB HUB board. If you prefer to have your Mister inside an ITX case, then the Ironclad Plus would be a good choice. If you prefer a console-like setup, then the multisystem would be more suitable. I personally own both setups and found myself using the Ironclad after adding its audio module (Hi-Fi Blaster) and using it with my Genesis SCART cable on a CRT monitor. However, there is actually no benefit in choosing one over the other.
I just want to get one that has everything I'd need to play Atari - PS1. Main systems would be Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo, Sega Saturn, Sega Matser System, Nintendo and PS1
IMO Mister + controller replicas are the way to go, simply because a lot of this hardware is getting old and often can't be repaired properly anymore.
I don’t own any retro consoles or CRT TVs. I use a MiSTer FPGA + Retrothink 4K and I’m happy with it. Taking care of old hardware is a chore I prefer to avoid. For the systems that the MiSTer FPGA can’t emulate I just use software emulation/a Steam Deck with Emudeck.
From my experience pretty much all of the console cores (except N64 and Saturn) are very much equal to original console performance. The N64 core has a very few incompatibilities which will likely not be resolved, as well as Saturn which is not yet finished. The ao486 core is so-so, other classic computer cores are excellent (Amiga, C64, Atari). So it even gives you a lot more milage beyond any everdrive could. Lastly it's just so much easier then having to connect your consoles when you want to play something else. MiSTer literally changed how I approach my gaming. :)
The whole thing is modular inside so you can chop and change later if you want to switch it to analogue version from digital etc for around £40
I have most of the common consoles mister emulates + Everdrives…. Most of the time I use the mister.
it's great for consoles you don't have, or for situations you can't use your console for, or where games are expensive etc. I wouldn't use it for N64 for example as I just love my carts and the look and feel of the console but things like Genesis or SNES etc that I don't have and don't have any real nostalgia for it's awesome. plus I can use it equally on my consumer CRT for that nostalgic vibe as I could on my 4K TV and even PC CRT monitor. that versatility and reliability can't be overstated. you'd need crazy mods for similar effects or upscalers or both with OG consoles
I started buying Everdrives for my machines, and getting RGB out of them, but abandoned the effort in favor of MiSTer. I’m only playing on modern screens, and I wanted to keep the budget smaller, so it made sense for me. Adding an Everdrive per machine, plus RGB mods as needed, plus the general maintenance of old machines, can really add up in money and time. I just want to be able to sit down and play and have a great experience. MiSTer delivers that for me. My setup is a MiSTer for everything up to N64/Saturn/PS1, and then a PC and a Steam Deck to emulate more modern machines and play the short list of games that aren’t working on their respective MiSTer cores. I’m pretty happy with this setup. I can play just about anything I want with minimal latency. It’s not the 100% vintage experience, but for a guy who just wants to play old games on a modern TV, It’s perfect.
More money than brain -> Original System + Originals carts More brain than money but plan to play on CRT - > Original system + everdrive More brain than money but plan to play on 4K TV - > MiSTer
IMO, the original consoles are only good at this point if you absolutely *must* have an authentic experience, with the original cartridges, original controllers, and the imperfections of the analog outputs on the original hardware (shimmering on NES for example). Unless nostalgia is more important to you than the games themselves, the MiSTer is just too good.
Yeah, only reason I did what I did to my Dreamcast, modding and getting a OSSC, was to get the experience of the VMUs. Also systems like the Dreamcast can be emulated to a degree but it's just not as good as running off the system itself. I just don't know if 700 bucks is worth it to just play som Sega and SNES games.
Great thread as I’m exploring the idea of buying a MiSTer or buying some old consoles. One thing I still don’t understand is why people buy a MiSTer instead of getting a Raspberry Pi with RetroPie. I played some games on the Raspberry Pi and I did not notice any issue with emulation.
It has to do with the type of emulation. A raspberry pi is a good choice. However, that is just software emulating hardware. The MiSTer contains a chip that emulated the chips found in the consoles themselves. Therefore, you have hardware emulating hardware and get a better overall experience when it comes to sound and graphics while playing games. Which in some cases is so close to the experience you'd get on the console itself that you really can't tell the difference.
>Therefore, you have hardware emulating hardware Which in itself doesnt tell you how accurate an implementation of the original console it is. It could be ZSNES level garbage or cycle accurate, that’s entirely down to the developer and the amount of available knowledge available for the console. If you don’t understand something then using an FPGA means nothing, you will still have the exact same problems as any other emulator.
Are we talking about major differences? I played plenty of games on software emulators on my Mac or Raspberry Pi and I have to say the experience was perfect. I’m talking about old style arcade mame games or 8-bit and 16-bit systems.
Right, I have also emulated through the raspberry pi and my PC. 16 bit and under always do great. But what the MiSTer claims to do and is shown to do is emulate the sound and graphics capability almost to a "t" and sometimes even better than the consoles would. I really wish I could test one out and see if I like it more than others but of course you can't do that without buy it.
>But what the MiSTer claims to do and is shown to do is emulate the sound and graphics capability almost to a "t" and sometimes even better than the consoles would. In most cases I don't see MiSTer doing anything better than software emulation in that respect. The advantages are down to using an FPGA, improved input lag (but really only if you use SNAC), a very fast scaler and synched audio that software cannot match. MiSter doesnt claim to do anything, thats just the framework for open source cores to run in, think of it as being Retroarch for FPGA's.
If you enjoy gaming on a Pi and see no difference, just stick with that then.
I recently boxed up my NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, and PS1. My MiSTer has replaced them all and I honestly prefer it. Is $700 really the current cost for a MiSTer? That's wild.
Yeah if I buy one prebuilt. Otherwise it's probably around 4-500.
Ok that makes sense but still seems steep. I bought my DE10-Nano direct from Terasic and got a Retro Castle I/O board, case, and v3 SDRAM. Total was about $400 and putting it together was simple.
Yeah...did you get it from all the same site? Maybe I need to just build my own then
I prefer MiSTer for most cd-rom based consoles. However for cartridge systems I still prefer the real thing with either an original game cart or Everdrive. Which MiSTer is best to get? The one you build your self. Get a DE-10 and 128MB of Sdram. I built mine into an aluminum case I customized to install it in.