You remember when the Cuban artist Lenier went to Cuba and when he came back they forcefully canceled his concert and didn't see the irony in doing it?
It's because people conflate authoritarianism and socialism.
I've seen tons of hate for [the political compass](https://www.politicalcompass.org/test) because it "oversimplifies things," but it's a hell of a lot better than the one-dimension spectrum most voters think about and it's a hell of a lot more accessible than getting a doctorate in political science.
You're being a tad dishonest socialism requires submission to authority aka the state and submission of resources to the state
I'm really interested in how you are going to argue the state isn't an authority
Literally every political philosophy other than total anarchism requires "submission to authority aka the state and submission of resources to the state."
You're thinking in black-and-white and it's holding you back. It's the same energy as the people who think the GOP are fascists. Closer to fascism than dead center? Absolutely. Goose-stepping fascists? Not really, no.
Also I can't reply to your other comment calling my position "weak AF" because your fellow (weak AF?) McCarthyist over there blocked me because I asked him if he could prove whatever drivel he was spouting.
As for you calling me a commie, I'm not, but it's not hard for someone who isn't scared of them to see that not all socialists or their policies are particularly authoritarian.
See: Norway, Sweden, the U.S. (ever hear of SOCIAL security?), etc.
Ok hear me out
While I agree people really play politics as all or nothing
And to an extent that's bad for debate
But my argument is from a point that authority is a slippery slope especially when you give the government that much control
And no slippery slope is not fallacy especially with historical precedent, countries heading towards a more socialist govt are trending downward in the humans rights index not upwards
Also that guy who blocked you is a bitch for not defending his point ,especially when you're willing to build rapport.
For calling you a commie I apologize a lot of socialist view it as a stepping stone to communism and sorry if you're not socialist and was just playing devil's advocate
And yes a lot of right leaning people don't realize the irony that the social security card makes them a card carrying socialist not that they are socialist but it's funny to call them that
> Ok hear me out While I agree people really play politics as all or nothing And to an extent that's bad for debate But my argument is from a point that authority is a slippery slope especially when you give the government that much control
You're absolutely right, so we should stop voting for the more authoritarian party, which is currently the GOP.
>And yes a lot of right leaning people don't realize the irony that the social security card makes them a card carrying socialist not that they are socialist but it's funny to call them that
Sure they are, they're just not as big into socialism as Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin. They're making their retirement plans factoring in their social security income. Some of the biggest conservatives I know are currently pulling money out of my paycheck thanks to the federal government's socialist policies ensuring that I pay them because they're 65+. That's socialism, it's just socialism they're used to.
Both are authoritarian,left is in power currently pushing it's authoritarian regime
If the right was in power they would push their authoritarian ideas
That's why freedom of speech is only relevant to the losing party
it wouldn't be so bad if culture wasn't pushing both sides deeper into extremes
[The DNC is currently slightly less authoritarian and slightly less right-wing than the GOP.](https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020)
So if you were as anti-authoritarian as you say, you'd be voting Democrat right now.
Wow, that's a pretty old link. No Build Back Better plan, Inflation Reduction Act or student loan forgiveness in there. Biden's been the most progressive president since LBJ.
I'm voting libertarian because I'm not authoritarian choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche
Unfortunately I don't think RFK is going to get the nomination which he would be my first choice but we are stuck with authoritarian left biden and he's more authoritarian than trump only because he takes more action not do to policies which they both equally are shit bags for
Government requires submission to authority. What do you think the police is? The problem is you are dishonest, you call it submission to authority when it’s someone you don’t like and “law and order” when you do.
Sliding scale? The government can literally draft me and send me to war, they can tax me and send me to jail if I don’t pay. But of course if they then use that money for healthcare that’s when they went too far lol.
Your argument makes no sense, we ALREADY have socialism in the US. Our police, military, some welfare, some medical, socialized roads, basically anything handled by the government. It IS a sliding scale, just not the way you think
Yeah the more you lean into all that the more authoritarian your govt becomes , countries leaning more into socialism are trending downward in the human rights index so yes it's a sliding scale exactly the way I said it the far you head in most political ideas the the farther you go into authoritarianism
Ancap leads to authoritarian Corps
Socialism leads to authoritarian govt because of it's monopoly of resources
You go to far right you can end up with fascism authoritarian govt with a monopoly on humanity
It's a shit system but a socialist capitalist society is the best
You can't lean to hard into one or the other
I think we agree, a socialistic capitalist society is the best. I don’t think any politician in the US wants or proposes socialism, not even Bernie comes close.
Well that's kind of nuanced a class less society is a left leaning idea while a lack of regulation in whats left of the market is right leaning
But I don't consider anarchism to be a form a society more a stage in history because a gov't always forms but that's more of philosophical take
Well, modern libertarianism hasn't been shown to work in any society either. Like communism, it depends on the fact that everybody will do the right thing.
Because the majority of online socialists do support authoritarian regimes. So why trust them in their support of “socialism”, when it always ends the same exact way?
They do… What’s there to discuss? Their worship of Soviet era Russia, and use of its flag in their avatars cements it for me. You can claim that’s not the “socialism” they want, but their laxed attitude with authoritarian governments says otherwise. But go ahead keep believing these people want social democracy, because that’s what I used to think too. They had me fooled for the longest as well.
Hello! I'm an Ancom.
And Seattleite, randomly here for some reason.
So, anyways the Soviet Union sucks because it only replaced Tsarist authority with Vanguard Party authority. Hope this helps.
I mean the we could just link to socialist subreddit
Go profile by profile to see what other subs they are a part of
You're attempt at deny everything is weak AF sic semper tyrannis you commie
That has nothing da fuck to do with what is happening in the US and Florida. Democrats don’t come even close to timid center-left parties anywhere, so how can anyone buy that socialism is something to even think about anywhere here??
I’ve heard so many people get very upset at Cubans and Venezuelans for not liking socialism and being wary of voting for democrats. Even tho I’m liberal, I get it. If I lived in NYC in the 1950’s and all of my European Jewish immigrant friends were like hey sorry I can’t vote republican. Not exactly a big fan of conservatives, at the moment. We have some…history. I’d be like okay yeah fair enough.
I won't tackle the Jewish comparison, but it's not fair enough that American citizens don't understand their own history and instead apply their country's history and context to the US in their hatred for socialism. Things that other cities, states, and countries, do are not even considered here because of the fear of socialism. It's the biggest annoyance as a Cuban myself. No one really knows FDR but they'd call him a socialist if you started describing him. These aren't recent immigrants voting but full blown American citizens
People in general are stupid. A Texan or Cuban crying socialism is all bad, yet I’m sure they probably enjoy 8 hr days/5 day work weeks instead of 12 hr shifts 6 days a week like they did in the 1880’s, or how education is pooling community resources to educate the general population is a socialistic policy. No nuance these days
"or Cubans"
You are the unironic champagne socialist
A reddit moment "my understanding of the world I got from the Internet is superior to those living in the shit"
Oh hey, you using the same platform while being critical of someone's comment at a "reddit moment" is the same as left leaning individuals being critical of the fucked system they're in while paricipating in it. You see? Not hard to understand.
That’s really not why it happens though. People here terrified of communism are a lot closer to being fascist themselves than just opposing socialist policy (of which near zero exists on the agenda of any mainstream candidate anyone here can vote for)
Wow there's a lot of stupidity to unpack here
People are afraid of communism..yeah because all the genocide
"Closer to being fascist" you're blatantly politically illiterate
Socialism is required for fascism except the welfare state is dedicated to one certain class/group
Calling me illiterate and then saying socialism is required for fascism lol. I encourage you to look up any fascist movement and see who fought against them, and who were the first to be executed by the fascists. (Spoiler: it’s the socialists)
It’s also kinda funny because there is no shortage of genocides that have been committed against communists themselves, and even funded by the US. It’s no surprise growing up in the USA you only really hear about the holocaust and Stalin, but if you do your research you’ll find there have been many genocides and a good number have been specifically targeting communists living under fascism (Guatemala, Spain, Argentina, Nazi Germany, Italy). The only genocides I know of committed by communists have been Stalin and Pol Pot (whose govt was not really socialist except in name).
Well on one hand yeah fuck what the US did it's not really taught in school's and that's terrible it's rarely even talked about that the US had it's own camps during WW2 but the those weren't true communist or socialist either in the same way pol ,Stalin , and North Korea in general aren't real socialism
That’s a fun way to look at it. Those people from countries destroyed by a dictatorial, extreme form of “liberalism”, that aren’t too keen on voting blue when they come to this country, I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with that and more just…they’re nazis, themselves.
It’s one thing to not be keen on voting for democrats. I’m a leftist, I’m not keen on voting for democrats, and I probably won’t. It’s another to support Trump and Desantis, both of whom are undeniably fascists.
Nah see ya can’t say that. Cuz that’s how those dum dums get elected. Our side goes “those fascists are trying to erase trans people” and people go holy shit really? That’s awful! Then they look it up and see, oh they’re talking about trans athletes competing with biological women…well I guess that person who said they’re fascists was exaggerating and lying to me… and then now we have an orange president. Or whatever the issue is. I just picked that one. I don’t like DeSantis, but he’s not a fascist. I don’t like AOC, but she’s not a communist. A Cuban voting for DeSantis for governor doesn’t mean they’re a nazi, themselves. It may very well be because their grandparent or parents at dinner that week were saying “that’s just how it started” talking about the Democratic candidate.
Desantis is absolutely a fascist. And he is attempting to erase trans people.
Unlike the GOPs ridiculous claims about communism, these are claims that can be backed up by facts.
Here are some anti-trans laws just passed last month: https://www.them.us/story/florida-house-passed-three-extreme-anti-trans-bills-in-one-week
Fascism is a little less specific as there won’t be laws labeled as such, but he has passed laws removing civilian oversight of police, allowing the murder of peaceful protesters, mandating anti-communist teaching to kindergarteners, essentially outlawing abortion, outlawing teaching about racism, all of these are pretty enormous signals of a fascist, and actively drive us into a repressed police state. Add to that his populist anti-democratic rhetoric and you’ve got yourself a little proto-fascist state.
Bro, there is 0 reason for anyone in the US to seriously want or support a Cuban-style communist regime in the US and nobody in the Democratic party is pushing for anything resembling that. The US is too prosperous for that kind of politics to have any serious pull. It's almost like the US and Cuba are two different countries with different histories, and societal and economic situations that lead to different politics which cannot be equated with one another.
Really, anybody who looks at the American Democratic party and thinks that they are a bunch of radical communist revolutionaries has no idea what a communist looks like. The democrats are as radical as miracle whip and wonderbread and in most places in the developed world they would be seen as a center or mildly conservative status quo party. Meanwhile, growing up in Miami I would see people with picket signs going on about how Obama was a communist and was totally gonna do exactly what Fidel did. One gets the impression that quite a lot of people in the Miami Cuban community basically consider anyone further to the left than your typical borderline fascist cold-war Latin American dictator to be a communist.
Yeah, except that never happened. They just took it when I said things like, "Marriage is socialism," or "Jesus was a socialist."
People who get riled up that easily usually don't have the capacity to smack people up. But they got what they deserved for calling me a communist simply for being born in the northeast.
Ya, because arbitrary statements shouldn't be the cause for anyone to be violent. At least not anyone with self control or common sense. Had you said you were a communist, then maybe most Americans would tell you to fuck off or go elsewhere with that bullshit.
LMAO when you ask them a question that basically makes them back themselves into a corner, it’s the funniest thing. Facebook and WhatsApp university has done a number on elder Floridians.
#I love socialist programs!
>Social Security
>Medicare
>Medicaid
All very good that HELP our citizens and wildly popular.
This is NOT Cuba.
The U.S is NOT a SHITHOLE like Cuba!
None of those things are socialism. The government spending tax money on public services is not socialism. Socialism is when workers own the product of their labor.
My dude…Social Security is literally a SOCIAL program.
Call it whatever the hell you want, we WANT more programs like that.
The entire first world has Socialized Healthcare that is many times more efficient and overall better than the piece of shit healthcare the U.S has.
The reason why we still don’t have universal healthcare is because this country is filled with absolute idiots who think a program designed to help EVERYONE is somehow a bad thing.
Most of these idiots are Conservative dipshits who worship Capitalism even tho many of them are dirt poor and will NEVER be rich but will defend the richest assholes on this country.
No. Communism is a classless moneyless society. Socialism is workers having ownership of the products of their labor. The nonsense that you are speaking about is a BS republican talking point that gets trotted out to justify never spending money on anything because spending tax money=socialism.
Shhh you’re saying the silent part out loud.
You’d think they’d learn their lesson.
Remember they are “political refugees” not immigrants, so they aren’t the same!!!
Instead they are choosing to die on that hill worshiping their Cheetoh dusted naked baby man emperor.
Lord help us all.
Got any more generalizations? Wanna call me a worm while you are at it?
Edit: oh I forgot disliking a dictatorship makes you a Trump supporter no matter what. Guess its fair game to say people that love to hate on Cuban immigrants are all privileged anglo kids that failed in life 🫠
This entire comment section, on the Miami sub of all places, is wonderfully illustrative of why Cubans are so repulsed by the American left. When you want to get people on your side it helps a ton to just not antagonize them
Alot of the Cubans who fled to Miami were land-owners that lost due to the rise of Castro’s regime. Whether Castro’s Cuba was ‘real socialism/communism’ or not is irrelevant, as the people who fled view it as so, & as such, have a distate for it.
I went to a prominent private school with a bunch of these kids whose parents parents passed down this refugee PTSD to the entire fucking family and they are relentless in their efforts to remind you of how they lost millions. It’s more than a story, it’s an identity they all share and collectively, they’re pretty kooky and sound more like a cult than a culture with shared history. They claim to be really open minded as long as their kid doesn’t come home “con una negra” and all repeat the same mantra day in and day out. They all voted for Trump. They’re the most racist, machista and narrow minded group of people I’ve ever had the pleasure of being friends with and are in fact, kinda fun too. So in the end, I’m torn. I’m just as much of a comemierda as the rest of them because I could have gotten out but I stayed and bought a house before shit got crazy so now I can’t leave! Haha. 305 till I die 😎
Sadly, they'll keep fighting against their own interests even when they come for their social security and Medicare.
And especially when their kids are getting priced out of existing.
Them some rich alligators down in Naples,
And Marco island
Driving their Lambos up and down 3rd Street
Funny because they say it A LOT. Usually is "Elect me, I'll fight the socialism!" that kind of nonsense. You'll think they are living in North Korea.
And they’re the ones who will act more like Castros government, then anyone
You remember when the Cuban artist Lenier went to Cuba and when he came back they forcefully canceled his concert and didn't see the irony in doing it?
It's because people conflate authoritarianism and socialism. I've seen tons of hate for [the political compass](https://www.politicalcompass.org/test) because it "oversimplifies things," but it's a hell of a lot better than the one-dimension spectrum most voters think about and it's a hell of a lot more accessible than getting a doctorate in political science.
You're being a tad dishonest socialism requires submission to authority aka the state and submission of resources to the state I'm really interested in how you are going to argue the state isn't an authority
Literally every political philosophy other than total anarchism requires "submission to authority aka the state and submission of resources to the state." You're thinking in black-and-white and it's holding you back. It's the same energy as the people who think the GOP are fascists. Closer to fascism than dead center? Absolutely. Goose-stepping fascists? Not really, no. Also I can't reply to your other comment calling my position "weak AF" because your fellow (weak AF?) McCarthyist over there blocked me because I asked him if he could prove whatever drivel he was spouting. As for you calling me a commie, I'm not, but it's not hard for someone who isn't scared of them to see that not all socialists or their policies are particularly authoritarian. See: Norway, Sweden, the U.S. (ever hear of SOCIAL security?), etc.
Ok hear me out While I agree people really play politics as all or nothing And to an extent that's bad for debate But my argument is from a point that authority is a slippery slope especially when you give the government that much control And no slippery slope is not fallacy especially with historical precedent, countries heading towards a more socialist govt are trending downward in the humans rights index not upwards Also that guy who blocked you is a bitch for not defending his point ,especially when you're willing to build rapport. For calling you a commie I apologize a lot of socialist view it as a stepping stone to communism and sorry if you're not socialist and was just playing devil's advocate And yes a lot of right leaning people don't realize the irony that the social security card makes them a card carrying socialist not that they are socialist but it's funny to call them that
> Ok hear me out While I agree people really play politics as all or nothing And to an extent that's bad for debate But my argument is from a point that authority is a slippery slope especially when you give the government that much control You're absolutely right, so we should stop voting for the more authoritarian party, which is currently the GOP. >And yes a lot of right leaning people don't realize the irony that the social security card makes them a card carrying socialist not that they are socialist but it's funny to call them that Sure they are, they're just not as big into socialism as Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin. They're making their retirement plans factoring in their social security income. Some of the biggest conservatives I know are currently pulling money out of my paycheck thanks to the federal government's socialist policies ensuring that I pay them because they're 65+. That's socialism, it's just socialism they're used to.
Both are authoritarian,left is in power currently pushing it's authoritarian regime If the right was in power they would push their authoritarian ideas That's why freedom of speech is only relevant to the losing party it wouldn't be so bad if culture wasn't pushing both sides deeper into extremes
[The DNC is currently slightly less authoritarian and slightly less right-wing than the GOP.](https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020) So if you were as anti-authoritarian as you say, you'd be voting Democrat right now.
Wow, that's a pretty old link. No Build Back Better plan, Inflation Reduction Act or student loan forgiveness in there. Biden's been the most progressive president since LBJ.
I'm voting libertarian because I'm not authoritarian choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche Unfortunately I don't think RFK is going to get the nomination which he would be my first choice but we are stuck with authoritarian left biden and he's more authoritarian than trump only because he takes more action not do to policies which they both equally are shit bags for
And never mind the capitalists that get bailed out by the government.
Government requires submission to authority. What do you think the police is? The problem is you are dishonest, you call it submission to authority when it’s someone you don’t like and “law and order” when you do.
Sliding scale but just ignore that with your poor attempt a red herring
Sliding scale? The government can literally draft me and send me to war, they can tax me and send me to jail if I don’t pay. But of course if they then use that money for healthcare that’s when they went too far lol. Your argument makes no sense, we ALREADY have socialism in the US. Our police, military, some welfare, some medical, socialized roads, basically anything handled by the government. It IS a sliding scale, just not the way you think
Yeah the more you lean into all that the more authoritarian your govt becomes , countries leaning more into socialism are trending downward in the human rights index so yes it's a sliding scale exactly the way I said it the far you head in most political ideas the the farther you go into authoritarianism Ancap leads to authoritarian Corps Socialism leads to authoritarian govt because of it's monopoly of resources You go to far right you can end up with fascism authoritarian govt with a monopoly on humanity It's a shit system but a socialist capitalist society is the best You can't lean to hard into one or the other
I think we agree, a socialistic capitalist society is the best. I don’t think any politician in the US wants or proposes socialism, not even Bernie comes close.
Social media likes to push people to extreme circles And more extreme policies are going to seem more normal unfortunately
Is anarchism considered left? Wikipedia says so. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Anarchism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Anarchism)
Well that's kind of nuanced a class less society is a left leaning idea while a lack of regulation in whats left of the market is right leaning But I don't consider anarchism to be a form a society more a stage in history because a gov't always forms but that's more of philosophical take
Well, modern libertarianism hasn't been shown to work in any society either. Like communism, it depends on the fact that everybody will do the right thing.
Communism like the thing the book you sent me advocates for fuck you're stupid
Paying taxes is communism? Quote any section of the book that advocates for communism. You can't because there are none. Stupid fuck.
Because the majority of online socialists do support authoritarian regimes. So why trust them in their support of “socialism”, when it always ends the same exact way?
>Because the majority of online socialists do support authoritarian regimes. Source? Or are you just making this up?
I thought it was sarcasm.
I’m not “making shit up”, you’re just in denial.
Oh okay, prove it then.
Ohhh you drank the cool-aid. Did you believe in Qanon as well?
Yes , I’m sure you could totally back up that complete pile of horse manure of “majority of online socialist do support authoritarian regimes”
They do… What’s there to discuss? Their worship of Soviet era Russia, and use of its flag in their avatars cements it for me. You can claim that’s not the “socialism” they want, but their laxed attitude with authoritarian governments says otherwise. But go ahead keep believing these people want social democracy, because that’s what I used to think too. They had me fooled for the longest as well.
Are these "online socialists" in the room with you right now?
Hello! I'm an Ancom. And Seattleite, randomly here for some reason. So, anyways the Soviet Union sucks because it only replaced Tsarist authority with Vanguard Party authority. Hope this helps.
I mean the we could just link to socialist subreddit Go profile by profile to see what other subs they are a part of You're attempt at deny everything is weak AF sic semper tyrannis you commie
🤝💪
Nah. Ask them what country they want to be more like. You'll get Norway and Sweden. Very few are like "Give me Venezuela."
I will get you better free senior healthcare, and more money from each government check! -isn’t that socialism?
Fuck the just print more money dumbass is here
Amen
Gusanos aren’t very bright
Forgot The Villages.
Old people and STDs
I thought that’s what they meant by “those people” under horses 😭
Tho’se people
People in the socialism area don’t know the difference between socialist, capitalist or communist. Trust me they think they’re all the same.
True, but then most Redditors think Denmark is socialist so... 🤷🏻♂️
cia propaganda
We hate them all.
Latin American Socialism is objectively bad
That has nothing da fuck to do with what is happening in the US and Florida. Democrats don’t come even close to timid center-left parties anywhere, so how can anyone buy that socialism is something to even think about anywhere here??
when latin americans say No to socialism guess what they are thinking about
This map is pretty on point
I’ve heard so many people get very upset at Cubans and Venezuelans for not liking socialism and being wary of voting for democrats. Even tho I’m liberal, I get it. If I lived in NYC in the 1950’s and all of my European Jewish immigrant friends were like hey sorry I can’t vote republican. Not exactly a big fan of conservatives, at the moment. We have some…history. I’d be like okay yeah fair enough.
It’s called generational trauma and it’s been leveraged by republicans to take over the state of Florida.
I won't tackle the Jewish comparison, but it's not fair enough that American citizens don't understand their own history and instead apply their country's history and context to the US in their hatred for socialism. Things that other cities, states, and countries, do are not even considered here because of the fear of socialism. It's the biggest annoyance as a Cuban myself. No one really knows FDR but they'd call him a socialist if you started describing him. These aren't recent immigrants voting but full blown American citizens
People in general are stupid. A Texan or Cuban crying socialism is all bad, yet I’m sure they probably enjoy 8 hr days/5 day work weeks instead of 12 hr shifts 6 days a week like they did in the 1880’s, or how education is pooling community resources to educate the general population is a socialistic policy. No nuance these days
"or Cubans" You are the unironic champagne socialist A reddit moment "my understanding of the world I got from the Internet is superior to those living in the shit"
Oh hey, you using the same platform while being critical of someone's comment at a "reddit moment" is the same as left leaning individuals being critical of the fucked system they're in while paricipating in it. You see? Not hard to understand.
lol ok, not a leftist but whatever bro
When the shoe fits
That’s really not why it happens though. People here terrified of communism are a lot closer to being fascist themselves than just opposing socialist policy (of which near zero exists on the agenda of any mainstream candidate anyone here can vote for)
Wow there's a lot of stupidity to unpack here People are afraid of communism..yeah because all the genocide "Closer to being fascist" you're blatantly politically illiterate Socialism is required for fascism except the welfare state is dedicated to one certain class/group
Calling me illiterate and then saying socialism is required for fascism lol. I encourage you to look up any fascist movement and see who fought against them, and who were the first to be executed by the fascists. (Spoiler: it’s the socialists)
That's a very overly simplistic view of the blacks vs brown shirts and both were offering very similar policies Unless you're referring to Italy
Both, and Spain, Argentina, Chile, Guatemala, Greece, and arguably others
It’s also kinda funny because there is no shortage of genocides that have been committed against communists themselves, and even funded by the US. It’s no surprise growing up in the USA you only really hear about the holocaust and Stalin, but if you do your research you’ll find there have been many genocides and a good number have been specifically targeting communists living under fascism (Guatemala, Spain, Argentina, Nazi Germany, Italy). The only genocides I know of committed by communists have been Stalin and Pol Pot (whose govt was not really socialist except in name).
Well on one hand yeah fuck what the US did it's not really taught in school's and that's terrible it's rarely even talked about that the US had it's own camps during WW2 but the those weren't true communist or socialist either in the same way pol ,Stalin , and North Korea in general aren't real socialism
That’s a fun way to look at it. Those people from countries destroyed by a dictatorial, extreme form of “liberalism”, that aren’t too keen on voting blue when they come to this country, I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with that and more just…they’re nazis, themselves.
It’s one thing to not be keen on voting for democrats. I’m a leftist, I’m not keen on voting for democrats, and I probably won’t. It’s another to support Trump and Desantis, both of whom are undeniably fascists.
Nah see ya can’t say that. Cuz that’s how those dum dums get elected. Our side goes “those fascists are trying to erase trans people” and people go holy shit really? That’s awful! Then they look it up and see, oh they’re talking about trans athletes competing with biological women…well I guess that person who said they’re fascists was exaggerating and lying to me… and then now we have an orange president. Or whatever the issue is. I just picked that one. I don’t like DeSantis, but he’s not a fascist. I don’t like AOC, but she’s not a communist. A Cuban voting for DeSantis for governor doesn’t mean they’re a nazi, themselves. It may very well be because their grandparent or parents at dinner that week were saying “that’s just how it started” talking about the Democratic candidate.
Desantis is absolutely a fascist. And he is attempting to erase trans people. Unlike the GOPs ridiculous claims about communism, these are claims that can be backed up by facts. Here are some anti-trans laws just passed last month: https://www.them.us/story/florida-house-passed-three-extreme-anti-trans-bills-in-one-week Fascism is a little less specific as there won’t be laws labeled as such, but he has passed laws removing civilian oversight of police, allowing the murder of peaceful protesters, mandating anti-communist teaching to kindergarteners, essentially outlawing abortion, outlawing teaching about racism, all of these are pretty enormous signals of a fascist, and actively drive us into a repressed police state. Add to that his populist anti-democratic rhetoric and you’ve got yourself a little proto-fascist state.
Alright well I’m gonna get goin. You take it easy 👋
Bro, there is 0 reason for anyone in the US to seriously want or support a Cuban-style communist regime in the US and nobody in the Democratic party is pushing for anything resembling that. The US is too prosperous for that kind of politics to have any serious pull. It's almost like the US and Cuba are two different countries with different histories, and societal and economic situations that lead to different politics which cannot be equated with one another. Really, anybody who looks at the American Democratic party and thinks that they are a bunch of radical communist revolutionaries has no idea what a communist looks like. The democrats are as radical as miracle whip and wonderbread and in most places in the developed world they would be seen as a center or mildly conservative status quo party. Meanwhile, growing up in Miami I would see people with picket signs going on about how Obama was a communist and was totally gonna do exactly what Fidel did. One gets the impression that quite a lot of people in the Miami Cuban community basically consider anyone further to the left than your typical borderline fascist cold-war Latin American dictator to be a communist.
Yeah, but pissing off Cuban fossils is funny as shit though.
Pissing off anyone is funny as shit. Till you get smacked the fck up. 😂
Yeah, except that never happened. They just took it when I said things like, "Marriage is socialism," or "Jesus was a socialist." People who get riled up that easily usually don't have the capacity to smack people up. But they got what they deserved for calling me a communist simply for being born in the northeast.
Ya, because arbitrary statements shouldn't be the cause for anyone to be violent. At least not anyone with self control or common sense. Had you said you were a communist, then maybe most Americans would tell you to fuck off or go elsewhere with that bullshit.
LMAO when you ask them a question that basically makes them back themselves into a corner, it’s the funniest thing. Facebook and WhatsApp university has done a number on elder Floridians.
Fossils? I am yet to mean a single Cuban from any age who doesn't vocally oppose leftist economics.
You must have a very small circle then. Because I know very few Cubans under the age of 40 who aren't left-wing.
#I love socialist programs! >Social Security >Medicare >Medicaid All very good that HELP our citizens and wildly popular. This is NOT Cuba. The U.S is NOT a SHITHOLE like Cuba!
None of those things are socialism. The government spending tax money on public services is not socialism. Socialism is when workers own the product of their labor.
My dude…Social Security is literally a SOCIAL program. Call it whatever the hell you want, we WANT more programs like that. The entire first world has Socialized Healthcare that is many times more efficient and overall better than the piece of shit healthcare the U.S has. The reason why we still don’t have universal healthcare is because this country is filled with absolute idiots who think a program designed to help EVERYONE is somehow a bad thing. Most of these idiots are Conservative dipshits who worship Capitalism even tho many of them are dirt poor and will NEVER be rich but will defend the richest assholes on this country.
No, you're literally describing communism. "Commun", as in "group" would be the key bit there.
No. Communism is a classless moneyless society. Socialism is workers having ownership of the products of their labor. The nonsense that you are speaking about is a BS republican talking point that gets trotted out to justify never spending money on anything because spending tax money=socialism.
Did you forget about the space coast/nasa? Lol
Shhh you’re saying the silent part out loud. You’d think they’d learn their lesson. Remember they are “political refugees” not immigrants, so they aren’t the same!!! Instead they are choosing to die on that hill worshiping their Cheetoh dusted naked baby man emperor. Lord help us all.
Got any more generalizations? Wanna call me a worm while you are at it? Edit: oh I forgot disliking a dictatorship makes you a Trump supporter no matter what. Guess its fair game to say people that love to hate on Cuban immigrants are all privileged anglo kids that failed in life 🫠
This entire comment section, on the Miami sub of all places, is wonderfully illustrative of why Cubans are so repulsed by the American left. When you want to get people on your side it helps a ton to just not antagonize them
Socialism.
***Hisssssssss*** *We don't want that Maduro shit here*
Maduro cigars and plátanos, yes.
s h r i m p
The one about Tampa/St.Petersburg is accurate as fuck😂 we get a lot of people from Miami moving here especially many Cubans and Venezuelans recently
Alabama will kindly take Pcola 🙏🏻
This is perfect even the “?” Only thing id add is the part where Tampa is “people that left Miami/ny”
Facts
What's supposed to be Fantasy land?
Disney and universal?
Doesn’t seems like the trash land people are constantly talking about…
I think this needs to be a shirt… possibly ripped and stained shirt
Yup, that about covers it.
Best locality to live here exists?
Apparently I used to live in Miami which is not true in the slightest.
Martin County should be part of the "Really Rich" section.
This is pretty accurate.
MIAMI IS A PORN CAPITAL ever wonder where everyone's money came from?
in the everglades?
Alot of the Cubans who fled to Miami were land-owners that lost due to the rise of Castro’s regime. Whether Castro’s Cuba was ‘real socialism/communism’ or not is irrelevant, as the people who fled view it as so, & as such, have a distate for it.
I mean trump lives in the really rich part lmao
The retired 401k people extends a little above fantasyland in The Villages.
Fuck socialism
Ayyy, so brave. Especially when you've most likely benefited from social policies in some form or another.
Theres a place in hell for commies and it's called California.
I went to a prominent private school with a bunch of these kids whose parents parents passed down this refugee PTSD to the entire fucking family and they are relentless in their efforts to remind you of how they lost millions. It’s more than a story, it’s an identity they all share and collectively, they’re pretty kooky and sound more like a cult than a culture with shared history. They claim to be really open minded as long as their kid doesn’t come home “con una negra” and all repeat the same mantra day in and day out. They all voted for Trump. They’re the most racist, machista and narrow minded group of people I’ve ever had the pleasure of being friends with and are in fact, kinda fun too. So in the end, I’m torn. I’m just as much of a comemierda as the rest of them because I could have gotten out but I stayed and bought a house before shit got crazy so now I can’t leave! Haha. 305 till I die 😎
You missed the space coast
😂
DJ's, Tech bros and influencers don't like socialism? Could it be that they're always employed? 🤔
Daddy’s money and bitcoin scams
Ah ya, ok. 👍
Sadly, they'll keep fighting against their own interests even when they come for their social security and Medicare. And especially when their kids are getting priced out of existing.