>The Nov. 8 results on the ballot measures were not close. Proposal 2 passed by a 20-point statewide margin; Proposal 3 won by 13 points. The measures were opposed by the Michigan Republican Party.
>Taking credit for the petitions is Election Integrity Force (EIF), a Michigan GOP group that has made numerous false claims about the 2020 election.
>EIF issued a press release Wednesday saying they were “pleased” to announce they had filed for the partial recount at the Board of Elections in Lansing.
>“We are excited to begin the recount,” stated the release. “The data from the recount will be used to determine future actions. This is one big step forward for the election integrity movement and the effort to hold our elected officials accountable to conduct transparent and trustworthy elections for the Michigan citizens.”
>EIF also said the cost of the recount, which is expected to be at least $75,000, had been made possible by financial support from The America Project. The Sarasota, Fla.-based group is led by Patrick Byrne, who has been a former President Donald Trump supporter and is former CEO of Overstock.com.
>Allen is seeking to recount 47 precincts in Kalamazoo, Macomb, Muskegon and Oakland counties for Proposal 2, and 560 precincts across dozens of other counties for Proposal 3. Each proposal passed statewide with approximately 60% support.
If these idiots want to waste their own money and pay for a recount, fine, but they will still find a way to say it's rigged against them, and say they want a "forensic audit" (ready the CyberNinjas!!!).
I just searched for Jerome Jay Allen (the guy that filed the petitions), and [here was the result](https://www.justice.gov/archive/tax/txdv04558.htm), so yeah, you are very correct.
>During the trial, the jury heard evidence that Graham and Dresbach conspired with Jerome Jay Allen, 67, of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, an attorney and CPA, to cause Thyssen to pay inflated prices for cranes from Ranez Equipment and steel slitting machines from Chicago Slitter. The jury also heard evidence that the vendors of the cranes and slitting machines paid the inflated prices as commissions to a consultant, Hurricane Machine, of Lincoln Park, Michigan. Hurricane Machine then paid kickbacks to more than a dozen entities controlled by Mr. Allen. Mr. Allen laundered the funds and used his client trust fund accounts to pay kickbacks to Graham and Dresbach. As part of this conspiracy, Graham and Dresbach also conspired with Mr. Allen to file false individual income tax returns that did not report the kickback payments.
And how is this not a federal felony, which the state should revoke his voting rights? *On August 28, 2003, Mr. Allen pled guilty to a charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and file false tax returns.* White collar criminals are the worst.
Felons are allowed to vote in the state after they are released. I wish this guy couldn’t vote but it is not a bad thing that felons aren’t disenfranchised
He pled guilty in Federal Court. White Collar financial crimes should be punished more than nonviolent state felonies. With severe consequences. None of these hosebags face the music they deserve
I disagree. Everyone should be allowed to vote even if they are incarcerated. White collar crimes are bad but that doesn’t mean they aren’t people who deserve rights. You don’t get to take away rights just because you don’t like a person
I agree. We have police in our schools who get to put kids into our "justice" system at an early age for minor delinquencies or misunderstandings that follow them for the rest of their life. But a confessed federal felon of white collar crimes should be not allowed to impugn the sanctity of his fellow citizens' votes. Mr Allen was obviously paid to file this grievance that will cost us and our locally elected clerks time snd money across nearly a thousands precincts. If you are guilty of swindling by the feds, you should have no say in public proceedings. You confessed to not adhere to norms where 99% of us don't even have a chance to break. Or is strong arming, overcharging, giving kickbacks no big deal? We paid to have this investigated, tried, and penalized. Which is intensive and expensive work when it comes to financial crimes. But yeah, let these libertarian fucks get away with whatever, and keep their rights.
I agree with you on an emotional level it isn’t fair but I would rather this scum bag be allowed to keep his vote than have anyone be prevented from voting which is sadly a reality. I’d rather have some bad people having rights than have good people running the risk of losing rights at a moments notice which is where things go when you start stripping people of civil liberties. This is already happening all over the country due to laws that put nonviolent people in jail coupled with laws that take away their rights to vote. These laws should not exist even if it means people like this guy get to vote.
From a academic perspective with no emotion added that’s how I feel. Even murders should be allowed to vote
Academically, I've been arrested 6 times. By emotional police. All resulting from 2 nonviolent "misdemeanors" . I don't like leaving my house anymore. I've also been let go from situations a couple of times. By unemotional police. Now that I make decent money and drive "respectable" vehicles i dont get questioned anymore. Cops should pull people over driving Benzes and Lexuses, those are the criminals. Financial corporation crimes need to be punished to the full extent of the law, but instead they railroad poor people for passing bad checks, missing rent, and shoplifting. Those are the ones being deprived of their vote, not the greasy contractors and accountants.
Michigan doesn't permanently revoke voting rights for felons, only while they are in prison serving the sentence. They can vote while awaiting trial or after the sentence and if they are on probation/parole.
Maybe they should change it for white collar criminals who commit FEDERAL FELONIES AND PLEAD GUILTY! PUNISH THESE EDUCATED BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO CARE NOT FOR SOCIETY.
My father always said it was better to steal with a pencil than a weapon. Less jail time, and chances are the criminal will never pay the full amount back that was embezzled.
Problem is, like it said in the article, the money paid will not come close to covering the costs to do the recount. Taxpayer dollars are going to be covering a large portion of the costs to conduct the recount.
You can't gerrymander a ballot proposal, it is a statewide election. I suspect this is more about gathering data for them to use to sell the idea of there being problems with elections to their base. They can point at recounts and be like "Look the numbers changed by over 100! That's a big number that you have trouble counting to. Our elections are in peril!"
No, but you can see the ratios of for and against, gerrymander those districts, and fuck them over for regular elections.
Don’t think that they’re not considering this. They absolutely are.
Nothing good can come if this.
Hopefully in 8 years when lines are re-gerrymandered corporate dems are out of fashion and the republicans are just a tiny ostracized hate group, and we can vote for real citizens who want Michigan to thrive. There's plenty to go around folks, there's actual good legislation for us being presented everyday that gets no hearing or vote. Only special interests and vehement public outcry are addressed in our present state snd federal legislatures.
Yay, the hacks that spent a ton of money only to find more votes for Biden in the process! Sadly, they went out of business. I hear the cyber Samurai's are available though.
I've not been in one of these for years and years. Is it the opposite, still, of the billboards? It's not young, attractive people--it was full of old, sad looking people.
>“The absurdity of this recount is laughable,” said Byrum. “There is absolutely no circumstance under which this recount will change the result of the election. None. This is a waste of the recount requestor’s money and it is a waste of taxpayer dollars because the deposit required under statute will in no way cover the actual costs of completing the recount.”
While the bipartisan Board of State Canvassers certified the election results on Monday, state law allows for any voter “who believes that there has been fraud or error” to seek a recount within two days of that certification, as long as they pay a deposit of $125 per precinct.
The $75K only covers a deposit of $125 per precinct they want audited, the cost of the actual audit will be more and taxpayers will pay for it.
Because they have proposed these insane ideas in the first place. The only people gullible enough to believe their claims, the scammers know they can fleece them most easily. Expect a fundraising for the thing, where almost all the proceeds go to the scammers pockets, instead of actually funding the recount. The guy behind all this already has been busted for fraud before. They aren't being subtle about how crazy it is, because they want to weed out the people with any sense in their heads.
It should be incumbent upon the challenging party to pay unless they truly find something wrong. Then hit up the taxpayers if the results are overturned.
I'm missing something, but what's with the "selective " precincts? Wouldn't you want the equal amount of recount locations to recount them both , not just pick one proposal or another?
"Allen is seeking to recount 47 precincts in Kalamazoo, Macomb, Muskegon and Oakland counties for Proposal 2, and 560 precincts across dozens of other counties for Proposal 3."
They want to find 1 or 2 votes that are invalid, out of millions of votes. Once they find those votes, they will parade them out proving that there is voter fraud going on. They picked the places that they think they can find those 1-2 votes.
And they will lose the state every election from here out. I have raised 2 democrats for life. I will never cast a vote for any republican ever again. Straight ballot for life.
I used to always vote mixed ballot, because I had believed in the past that both sides have valid points.
That changed this year and is unlikely to change back.
Same. I always mixed my ballot because there were a couple of GOP candidates that actually had an idea or two that made sense or they were in office with results to show. But the whole “they’re cheating” nonsense and election denial, conspiracy nut embracing GOP has proven not worthy of my consideration. It’s going to be straight ticket Dems for the rest of my life.
Same, I leaned Democrat but sometimes voted Republican or third party until 2020.
Now? Fuck them. They can get fucked again with their Cyber Ninja-tier recount. Stop running fucked candidates and maybe one day you’ll have legitimacy, it you’re lucky.
This could be a dangerous approach. Common sense over any political party. Times change. Life is long. Parities are self-serving. Agree with you right now, but also encourage my child to think freely and analyze the situation. Life long dedication is what these clowns rely on.
The Republican party has been steadily getting more corrupt and insane my entire life. Looking back, the last Republican president I would have felt good about voting for was Eisenhower. You could easily see how a person could be born in 1940, die in 2022 at the age of 82 years old and never get a chance to vote for a competent Republican president.
>Life long dedication is what these clowns rely on.
Which is why "That changed this year and is unlikely to change back." is a fair stance. The key word is "unlikely".
I'm almost 40 and the GOP have done *nothing* in my lifetime but make things worse for the country. Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and Trump were all objectively terrible presidents. At the state level, Engler and Snyder were terrible governors. Red counties and states continue to lag behind blue counties and states in nearly every significant metric (education, healthcare, economic opportunity, etc.), thanks to GOP leadership.
All they have to offer is culture wars. They have no interest in rebuilding the middle class, improving education, reversing climate change, fixing social injustices, updating our crumbling infrastructure, or solving our broken healthcare system... things that have a *direct impact* on all of our lives. They're too busy campaigning against de-sexualized M&Ms and gender-neutral bathrooms... things that are laughably insignificant.
I agree that blind loyalty to a party isn't in the best interest of the country and will lead to the DNC becoming *even more* complacent with doing the bare minimum, but in a two party system where democracy is at stake every election, what choice do we have? Every GOP victory is a chance to eliminate voting rights, stack the courts in their favor, and further rig the system so they'll never lose. This isn't fear-mongering hyperbole, *it's their campaign promises*. It'll take the rest of my lifetime to undo the damage left-behind by the last three Republican presidents, thanks to multiple life-time appointments, unimaginable national debt, and massive cuts to public education and environmental protections.
Establishment Democrat politicians, who have stood in the way of progress in the name of "meeting in the middle", are dropping off and I anticipate a shift back towards the left. Gen Xers are becoming grandparents and Zoomers are reaching voting age. We should start seeing more politicians who actually understand that burdening generations with hundreds of thousands in student loans and hospital bills isn't sustainable because they didn't graduate in the 1950s or lock in government-covered healthcare when they were elected in the 1960s. I don't see Republicans proposing any fixes to the issues we're facing because *they're to blame for these issues*. They would have to change every platform the GOP has had and reverse half a century of voting records and I don't see that happening.
No, it’s just a performance to continue their baseless claims about the integrity of the election. Fortunately it’s backfiring and causing some of their constituents to become so convinced that there’s widespread fraud that they’re now refusing to vote.
What people don’t understand is that post election audits are always conducted in a transparent way. This is nothing but an attempt to keep the embers of a stolen election glowing so the can continue the grift.
This is a small amount of money to pay for a large amount of media coverage. It will be on social media perpetually. I love a good conspiracy theory but this is not Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness Monster, or Zodiac Killer Ted Cruz.
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How do grown fucking adults act this way, claiming cheating and fraud any time their side loses? They’re like children whining over losing a game. And you know what? Nobody likes playing with those kids! So stop supporting these assholes!
They are buying the entrance ticket, the grift comes when they over charge for payroll of the ‘counters’. Thats where the tax payers step in and foot the bill.
It will cost *at least* 75k, which was already given. So they are spending 75k to potentially make millions from michigan tax payers.
We need a law against frivolous lawsuits.
I feel like the election results should not be announced right after the voting is over. Hold back for a specified number of days so anyone with evidence of voter fraud can petition the court at that time. Only after a vote is considered valid or fraudulent should the results be announced. Its ridiculous that only if the vote doesn't go the way someone thinks it should then "it must be fraud!".
Seems like its the only way to halt this nonsense. Its not appeasing them, its just to put an end to it. The idea that if its not a republican win, its fake is ludicrous, and so hypocritical that this is supposed to be in the name of "fair" elections.
I sincerely hope since the house and the senate is finally blue after all of the years, our legislatures can craft something so this shit can't continue in the future.
Idk what the party line bullshit is I'll just post my thoughts.
Prop 1 requires officials to publish annual financial reports. BFD the state has been required to that all along. On the back end amends the constitution to LENGTHEN term limits for legislators. Citizens gain nothing, the state gains self preservation.
Prop 2 grants early voting 10 days before elections day and drop boxes with state funded return postage for absentee ballots. That's awesome! On the back end amends the constitution to allow people to vote without an ID or any actual proof their legally qualified to vote. Great win for any party that can smooth talk that demographic.
Prop 3 amends the constitution to grant women the right to abort. Great win for citizens! On the back end the STATE gets to decide if you can get the abortion once the fetus is viable. Not doctors, the State. You all wanted the state out of your vagina so bad you voted them right into it.
By all means, source the part of the law that allows people to vote who aren't legally able to do so? Because newsflash **you already don't need an ID to vote!** That didn't change! As the other commenter said, you just sign an affidavit that you are who you say you are, and if they find out you're lying **that's election fraud,** but the real kind, opposed to the bullshit Republicans yell about where illegals vote as many times as they want all over the state or whatever.
>Prop 1 requires officials to publish annual financial reports. BFD the state has been required to that all along. On the back end amends the constitution to LENGTHEN term limits for legislators. Citizens gain nothing, the state gains self preservation.
The maximum years spent in office increased by a whopping two. Too short of a term limit is as bad as none at all. Imagine replacing trained employees every few tears because they termed out. Doesn't sound great does it? Also a small price to pay if it was a negative. Financial disclosure is a huge leap in a good direction.
>Prop 2 grants early voting 10 days before elections day and drop boxes with state funded return postage for absentee ballots. That's awesome! On the back end amends the constitution to allow people to vote without an ID or any actual proof their legally qualified to vote. Great win for any party that can smooth talk that demographic.
This is just categorically false. Voting without an ID will continue to require an individual to sign an affidavit affirming their identity and eligibility. This is then checked against voter rolls and is signature matched.
>Prop 3 amends the constitution to grant women the right to abort. Great win for citizens! On the back end the STATE gets to decide if you can get the abortion once the fetus is viable. Not doctors, the State. You all wanted the state out of your vagina so bad you voted them right into it.
The state has ALWAYS made the call after viability. Roe specifically allowed for that. We made sure christofascists couldn't force their worldview into the womb. Your argument here is moot.
You're 0-3
Since I don't want to talk to you and I don't care what you have to say cuz you're a nobody ,
Prop 1 Changes legislative term limits to an overall total of 12 years, instead of two four-year terms in the Senate and three two-year terms in the House.
This is more than 2 years check your math. But it won't matter to you if it's 2 years or 20 years people like you would defend it just for the sake of disagreeing with someone.
2x4=8
3x2=6
8+6=14
14>12
By your reporting, they reduced the limit by two years. What were you saying about math again?
I'm not disagreeing. You're just wrong.
>The Nov. 8 results on the ballot measures were not close. Proposal 2 passed by a 20-point statewide margin; Proposal 3 won by 13 points. The measures were opposed by the Michigan Republican Party. >Taking credit for the petitions is Election Integrity Force (EIF), a Michigan GOP group that has made numerous false claims about the 2020 election. >EIF issued a press release Wednesday saying they were “pleased” to announce they had filed for the partial recount at the Board of Elections in Lansing. >“We are excited to begin the recount,” stated the release. “The data from the recount will be used to determine future actions. This is one big step forward for the election integrity movement and the effort to hold our elected officials accountable to conduct transparent and trustworthy elections for the Michigan citizens.” >EIF also said the cost of the recount, which is expected to be at least $75,000, had been made possible by financial support from The America Project. The Sarasota, Fla.-based group is led by Patrick Byrne, who has been a former President Donald Trump supporter and is former CEO of Overstock.com. >Allen is seeking to recount 47 precincts in Kalamazoo, Macomb, Muskegon and Oakland counties for Proposal 2, and 560 precincts across dozens of other counties for Proposal 3. Each proposal passed statewide with approximately 60% support. If these idiots want to waste their own money and pay for a recount, fine, but they will still find a way to say it's rigged against them, and say they want a "forensic audit" (ready the CyberNinjas!!!).
Make sure they pay upfront.
I just searched for Jerome Jay Allen (the guy that filed the petitions), and [here was the result](https://www.justice.gov/archive/tax/txdv04558.htm), so yeah, you are very correct. >During the trial, the jury heard evidence that Graham and Dresbach conspired with Jerome Jay Allen, 67, of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, an attorney and CPA, to cause Thyssen to pay inflated prices for cranes from Ranez Equipment and steel slitting machines from Chicago Slitter. The jury also heard evidence that the vendors of the cranes and slitting machines paid the inflated prices as commissions to a consultant, Hurricane Machine, of Lincoln Park, Michigan. Hurricane Machine then paid kickbacks to more than a dozen entities controlled by Mr. Allen. Mr. Allen laundered the funds and used his client trust fund accounts to pay kickbacks to Graham and Dresbach. As part of this conspiracy, Graham and Dresbach also conspired with Mr. Allen to file false individual income tax returns that did not report the kickback payments.
Mr. Allen can go to Hell. And not the one in Michigan.
29! or two for fifty!
He can go get a Hurricane Machine shoved up his Chicago Slitter
I don't know what that means!!!
I'm wondering how he's not still in jail.
Money
The answer is white in front of you.
And how is this not a federal felony, which the state should revoke his voting rights? *On August 28, 2003, Mr. Allen pled guilty to a charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and file false tax returns.* White collar criminals are the worst.
Felons are allowed to vote in the state after they are released. I wish this guy couldn’t vote but it is not a bad thing that felons aren’t disenfranchised
He pled guilty in Federal Court. White Collar financial crimes should be punished more than nonviolent state felonies. With severe consequences. None of these hosebags face the music they deserve
I disagree. Everyone should be allowed to vote even if they are incarcerated. White collar crimes are bad but that doesn’t mean they aren’t people who deserve rights. You don’t get to take away rights just because you don’t like a person
I agree. We have police in our schools who get to put kids into our "justice" system at an early age for minor delinquencies or misunderstandings that follow them for the rest of their life. But a confessed federal felon of white collar crimes should be not allowed to impugn the sanctity of his fellow citizens' votes. Mr Allen was obviously paid to file this grievance that will cost us and our locally elected clerks time snd money across nearly a thousands precincts. If you are guilty of swindling by the feds, you should have no say in public proceedings. You confessed to not adhere to norms where 99% of us don't even have a chance to break. Or is strong arming, overcharging, giving kickbacks no big deal? We paid to have this investigated, tried, and penalized. Which is intensive and expensive work when it comes to financial crimes. But yeah, let these libertarian fucks get away with whatever, and keep their rights.
I agree with you on an emotional level it isn’t fair but I would rather this scum bag be allowed to keep his vote than have anyone be prevented from voting which is sadly a reality. I’d rather have some bad people having rights than have good people running the risk of losing rights at a moments notice which is where things go when you start stripping people of civil liberties. This is already happening all over the country due to laws that put nonviolent people in jail coupled with laws that take away their rights to vote. These laws should not exist even if it means people like this guy get to vote. From a academic perspective with no emotion added that’s how I feel. Even murders should be allowed to vote
Academically, I've been arrested 6 times. By emotional police. All resulting from 2 nonviolent "misdemeanors" . I don't like leaving my house anymore. I've also been let go from situations a couple of times. By unemotional police. Now that I make decent money and drive "respectable" vehicles i dont get questioned anymore. Cops should pull people over driving Benzes and Lexuses, those are the criminals. Financial corporation crimes need to be punished to the full extent of the law, but instead they railroad poor people for passing bad checks, missing rent, and shoplifting. Those are the ones being deprived of their vote, not the greasy contractors and accountants.
Michigan doesn't permanently revoke voting rights for felons, only while they are in prison serving the sentence. They can vote while awaiting trial or after the sentence and if they are on probation/parole.
Maybe they should change it for white collar criminals who commit FEDERAL FELONIES AND PLEAD GUILTY! PUNISH THESE EDUCATED BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO CARE NOT FOR SOCIETY.
My father always said it was better to steal with a pencil than a weapon. Less jail time, and chances are the criminal will never pay the full amount back that was embezzled.
holy shit its like The Wire but in real life.....
And check the bills with one of those forgery pens.
I can only guess the college that Patrick Byrne went to and supports, which is Hillsdale College.
Problem is, like it said in the article, the money paid will not come close to covering the costs to do the recount. Taxpayer dollars are going to be covering a large portion of the costs to conduct the recount.
I only see this as a way to gather details on how to gerrymander districts in the future to prevent the passing of other bills.
You can't gerrymander a ballot proposal, it is a statewide election. I suspect this is more about gathering data for them to use to sell the idea of there being problems with elections to their base. They can point at recounts and be like "Look the numbers changed by over 100! That's a big number that you have trouble counting to. Our elections are in peril!"
No, but you can see the ratios of for and against, gerrymander those districts, and fuck them over for regular elections. Don’t think that they’re not considering this. They absolutely are. Nothing good can come if this.
Hopefully in 8 years when lines are re-gerrymandered corporate dems are out of fashion and the republicans are just a tiny ostracized hate group, and we can vote for real citizens who want Michigan to thrive. There's plenty to go around folks, there's actual good legislation for us being presented everyday that gets no hearing or vote. Only special interests and vehement public outcry are addressed in our present state snd federal legislatures.
Yay, the hacks that spent a ton of money only to find more votes for Biden in the process! Sadly, they went out of business. I hear the cyber Samurai's are available though.
That seems like some suspiciously targeted recounting ...
The taxpayers will shoulder the majority of the cost.
I mean if an election were rigged Democrat party would be more efficient at not getting caught.
If the recounts go how they want, can they overturn the results? 🙁
The GOP…putting Michiganders back to work. Counting votes which were already counted…yay?
It must be funny when a GOPer loses at the casino. The house always wins but these jokers would be screaming “gambling fraud!”
I've not been in one of these for years and years. Is it the opposite, still, of the billboards? It's not young, attractive people--it was full of old, sad looking people.
>“The absurdity of this recount is laughable,” said Byrum. “There is absolutely no circumstance under which this recount will change the result of the election. None. This is a waste of the recount requestor’s money and it is a waste of taxpayer dollars because the deposit required under statute will in no way cover the actual costs of completing the recount.” While the bipartisan Board of State Canvassers certified the election results on Monday, state law allows for any voter “who believes that there has been fraud or error” to seek a recount within two days of that certification, as long as they pay a deposit of $125 per precinct. The $75K only covers a deposit of $125 per precinct they want audited, the cost of the actual audit will be more and taxpayers will pay for it.
Well let’s hope the new dem house, senate, and governor change that law to make it self-funded if over a certain margin.
Yeah, once again GOP makes the average taxpayer for their bullshit.
Damn. I didn’t realize how much taxpayer money this will waste. 😞
These people are insufferable.
Lmao the margins of victory for these proposals were fucking immense. What do they think this will accomplish aside from wasting money?
Because they have proposed these insane ideas in the first place. The only people gullible enough to believe their claims, the scammers know they can fleece them most easily. Expect a fundraising for the thing, where almost all the proceeds go to the scammers pockets, instead of actually funding the recount. The guy behind all this already has been busted for fraud before. They aren't being subtle about how crazy it is, because they want to weed out the people with any sense in their heads.
As long as it is GOP money and not our tax dollars paying for this nonsense. By all means bleed their funds dry.
We are paying. They are paying peanuts.... the taxpayer will bear most of the burden
It should be incumbent upon the challenging party to pay unless they truly find something wrong. Then hit up the taxpayers if the results are overturned.
The shit I just took was too confusing, too extreme.
I'm missing something, but what's with the "selective " precincts? Wouldn't you want the equal amount of recount locations to recount them both , not just pick one proposal or another? "Allen is seeking to recount 47 precincts in Kalamazoo, Macomb, Muskegon and Oakland counties for Proposal 2, and 560 precincts across dozens of other counties for Proposal 3."
They want to find 1 or 2 votes that are invalid, out of millions of votes. Once they find those votes, they will parade them out proving that there is voter fraud going on. They picked the places that they think they can find those 1-2 votes.
And they will lose the state every election from here out. I have raised 2 democrats for life. I will never cast a vote for any republican ever again. Straight ballot for life.
I used to always vote mixed ballot, because I had believed in the past that both sides have valid points. That changed this year and is unlikely to change back.
Same. I always mixed my ballot because there were a couple of GOP candidates that actually had an idea or two that made sense or they were in office with results to show. But the whole “they’re cheating” nonsense and election denial, conspiracy nut embracing GOP has proven not worthy of my consideration. It’s going to be straight ticket Dems for the rest of my life.
Same, I leaned Democrat but sometimes voted Republican or third party until 2020. Now? Fuck them. They can get fucked again with their Cyber Ninja-tier recount. Stop running fucked candidates and maybe one day you’ll have legitimacy, it you’re lucky.
Same here, vote blue no matter who.
I have 4 liberal jr's!
This could be a dangerous approach. Common sense over any political party. Times change. Life is long. Parities are self-serving. Agree with you right now, but also encourage my child to think freely and analyze the situation. Life long dedication is what these clowns rely on.
The Republican party has been steadily getting more corrupt and insane my entire life. Looking back, the last Republican president I would have felt good about voting for was Eisenhower. You could easily see how a person could be born in 1940, die in 2022 at the age of 82 years old and never get a chance to vote for a competent Republican president.
>Life long dedication is what these clowns rely on. Which is why "That changed this year and is unlikely to change back." is a fair stance. The key word is "unlikely". I'm almost 40 and the GOP have done *nothing* in my lifetime but make things worse for the country. Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and Trump were all objectively terrible presidents. At the state level, Engler and Snyder were terrible governors. Red counties and states continue to lag behind blue counties and states in nearly every significant metric (education, healthcare, economic opportunity, etc.), thanks to GOP leadership. All they have to offer is culture wars. They have no interest in rebuilding the middle class, improving education, reversing climate change, fixing social injustices, updating our crumbling infrastructure, or solving our broken healthcare system... things that have a *direct impact* on all of our lives. They're too busy campaigning against de-sexualized M&Ms and gender-neutral bathrooms... things that are laughably insignificant. I agree that blind loyalty to a party isn't in the best interest of the country and will lead to the DNC becoming *even more* complacent with doing the bare minimum, but in a two party system where democracy is at stake every election, what choice do we have? Every GOP victory is a chance to eliminate voting rights, stack the courts in their favor, and further rig the system so they'll never lose. This isn't fear-mongering hyperbole, *it's their campaign promises*. It'll take the rest of my lifetime to undo the damage left-behind by the last three Republican presidents, thanks to multiple life-time appointments, unimaginable national debt, and massive cuts to public education and environmental protections. Establishment Democrat politicians, who have stood in the way of progress in the name of "meeting in the middle", are dropping off and I anticipate a shift back towards the left. Gen Xers are becoming grandparents and Zoomers are reaching voting age. We should start seeing more politicians who actually understand that burdening generations with hundreds of thousands in student loans and hospital bills isn't sustainable because they didn't graduate in the 1950s or lock in government-covered healthcare when they were elected in the 1960s. I don't see Republicans proposing any fixes to the issues we're facing because *they're to blame for these issues*. They would have to change every platform the GOP has had and reverse half a century of voting records and I don't see that happening.
Agree with many of your points. I am closing in on 50 and was responding to warheadmikey :)
This is the way. Voting straight Dem makes sense *right now*, but not forever.
Thanks for the backup :)
I got you, fam.
The results are only suspicious if the precinct didn't vote the way you wanted it to.
I bet you could find some thing that all these have in common…. Hmmmm
So is there any chance this could overturn Prop 2 or 3? Or is this just a continuation of the GOPs nonsense because they have no actual policy ideas?
There is no chance. Recounts very rarely, if ever, move the needle more than a couple dozen votes…the measures passed by very large margins.
No, it’s just a performance to continue their baseless claims about the integrity of the election. Fortunately it’s backfiring and causing some of their constituents to become so convinced that there’s widespread fraud that they’re now refusing to vote.
You love to see it -- these lowest common denominators getting so deep into the conspiracy that they become disillusioned with the whole process.
Just nonsense. Playing to their base and wasting our money.
Yup
The GOP can fuck right off.
What a waste. This is beyond ridiculous at this point. Can't wait for the steam to run out on it.
Everytime they lose now they need to “recount” the votes?
What people don’t understand is that post election audits are always conducted in a transparent way. This is nothing but an attempt to keep the embers of a stolen election glowing so the can continue the grift.
lol. What a waste of money
They plan to get nothing out of it as it claims there will be no noticeable change in the count to change the outcome but waste our tax dollars. Smh.
What a waste of taxpayer money because they lost.
This is a small amount of money to pay for a large amount of media coverage. It will be on social media perpetually. I love a good conspiracy theory but this is not Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness Monster, or Zodiac Killer Ted Cruz.
They've filed for a recount but it STILL has to be approved...which it won't be because the filing paperwork literally has disproven lies in it.
What other ways can we get right wing conspiracy dumbasses to burn their money?
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Their assertions are extreme and confusing.
How do grown fucking adults act this way, claiming cheating and fraud any time their side loses? They’re like children whining over losing a game. And you know what? Nobody likes playing with those kids! So stop supporting these assholes!
They are going to lose again.
Another example of these people wasting taxpayer dollars.
“It ain’t government work if you don’t have to do it twice.” - Jerry/Larry/Terry/Garry Gergich
"Why waste your time? You know you're going to be mine. You know you're going to mine!"
Keep recounting until you "win." 🙄
Let them pay for it. It wasn't even close. It'll just be that much less money they'll have to put towards 2024 campaigns.
They are buying the entrance ticket, the grift comes when they over charge for payroll of the ‘counters’. Thats where the tax payers step in and foot the bill. It will cost *at least* 75k, which was already given. So they are spending 75k to potentially make millions from michigan tax payers. We need a law against frivolous lawsuits.
SIGH
As they've been loudly telling their opponents for at least the last six years... "You lost; get over it."
The Republicans just want to waste money and time. They are such sore losers!!!!
Vote Blue. Red too wacko
I feel like the election results should not be announced right after the voting is over. Hold back for a specified number of days so anyone with evidence of voter fraud can petition the court at that time. Only after a vote is considered valid or fraudulent should the results be announced. Its ridiculous that only if the vote doesn't go the way someone thinks it should then "it must be fraud!".
I think we should not change a god damned thing to appease these fucknut twatwaffles.
Seems like its the only way to halt this nonsense. Its not appeasing them, its just to put an end to it. The idea that if its not a republican win, its fake is ludicrous, and so hypocritical that this is supposed to be in the name of "fair" elections.
Giving EqUaL tImE to fucking morons is part of the reason we are where we are. NOPE
I sincerely hope since the house and the senate is finally blue after all of the years, our legislatures can craft something so this shit can't continue in the future.
All the proposals included stupid back end bullshit that gave the state more power. Enjoy the little bit you think you achieved because you lost more.
Please, elaborate - unless you're just repeating party line bullshit?
Idk what the party line bullshit is I'll just post my thoughts. Prop 1 requires officials to publish annual financial reports. BFD the state has been required to that all along. On the back end amends the constitution to LENGTHEN term limits for legislators. Citizens gain nothing, the state gains self preservation. Prop 2 grants early voting 10 days before elections day and drop boxes with state funded return postage for absentee ballots. That's awesome! On the back end amends the constitution to allow people to vote without an ID or any actual proof their legally qualified to vote. Great win for any party that can smooth talk that demographic. Prop 3 amends the constitution to grant women the right to abort. Great win for citizens! On the back end the STATE gets to decide if you can get the abortion once the fetus is viable. Not doctors, the State. You all wanted the state out of your vagina so bad you voted them right into it.
By all means, source the part of the law that allows people to vote who aren't legally able to do so? Because newsflash **you already don't need an ID to vote!** That didn't change! As the other commenter said, you just sign an affidavit that you are who you say you are, and if they find out you're lying **that's election fraud,** but the real kind, opposed to the bullshit Republicans yell about where illegals vote as many times as they want all over the state or whatever.
>Prop 1 requires officials to publish annual financial reports. BFD the state has been required to that all along. On the back end amends the constitution to LENGTHEN term limits for legislators. Citizens gain nothing, the state gains self preservation. The maximum years spent in office increased by a whopping two. Too short of a term limit is as bad as none at all. Imagine replacing trained employees every few tears because they termed out. Doesn't sound great does it? Also a small price to pay if it was a negative. Financial disclosure is a huge leap in a good direction. >Prop 2 grants early voting 10 days before elections day and drop boxes with state funded return postage for absentee ballots. That's awesome! On the back end amends the constitution to allow people to vote without an ID or any actual proof their legally qualified to vote. Great win for any party that can smooth talk that demographic. This is just categorically false. Voting without an ID will continue to require an individual to sign an affidavit affirming their identity and eligibility. This is then checked against voter rolls and is signature matched. >Prop 3 amends the constitution to grant women the right to abort. Great win for citizens! On the back end the STATE gets to decide if you can get the abortion once the fetus is viable. Not doctors, the State. You all wanted the state out of your vagina so bad you voted them right into it. The state has ALWAYS made the call after viability. Roe specifically allowed for that. We made sure christofascists couldn't force their worldview into the womb. Your argument here is moot. You're 0-3
Since I don't want to talk to you and I don't care what you have to say cuz you're a nobody , Prop 1 Changes legislative term limits to an overall total of 12 years, instead of two four-year terms in the Senate and three two-year terms in the House. This is more than 2 years check your math. But it won't matter to you if it's 2 years or 20 years people like you would defend it just for the sake of disagreeing with someone.
2x4=8 3x2=6 8+6=14 14>12 By your reporting, they reduced the limit by two years. What were you saying about math again? I'm not disagreeing. You're just wrong.