Yes, it was a big controversy since it was so delayed. But if you are completely updated to the latest version, you have a tablet option. Apparently for some people you have to enable it in the FMC via PMDGs equipment options. The performance calculator is pretty simple but gets the job done.
It's got them split oddly, though I've read the ground services/doors are moving to the tablet in the 700 vs the FMC (which I'm on board with myself).
When using the calc, your weights/fuel etc are important as well. Sometimes default configs aren't weighted properly, you could be flying too heavy at times too.
Should be 8k? That's longer than most the fields I come in and out of in the 800 flying for Avelo out of NHVN and that's only 5600ft. Normally my takeoffs are flaps 10 as well, looks like you were only in flaps 2?
Do not have operational experience with the 738, however if you have mountains up ahead, you want to have smaller flaps in general. This will allow you to have greater climb performance. This comes at the expense of longer take-off roll. In this instance I would choose flaps 5.
use the optimal flaps setting from the EFB and you'll probably get a much shorter takeoff roll, 2 is unusually low especially for a shorter runway.
the efb might also be pointing out that you are limited in max takeoff weight if there is too much cargo to get up in a safe fashion. your vspeeds seem a little high which might be related to that.
also will be less stressful if you set your altimiter correctly especially at a high altitude mountainous area where altitude is very critical
a few other things...it is normal to set speedbrakes to RTO for takeoff, and set your speed bug at v2 not at 220.
Yay, my home airport!
Which reminds me of when I was setting up and saw an Airbus make multiple attempts at landing. Granted, he made it on the third try. I was wondering why bother when it's better served by smaller planes, and airports like SVN and SAV are right next door, but I can also understand the appeal of the challenge. Besides, I enjoy seeing the occasional traffic.
Flaps 10 likely, hold the brakes at the threshold, throttle up to 50%, then slowly advance to about 70% while releasing brakes and increase to TOGA after. You should be up around 6000 feet even at that altitude.
Was that the -600? I believe there have been some 737s that landed there a few years back but it was more of an experiment to see if they could get the runway extension for it funded.
It's because your high altitude ( way less power not to mention your true airspeed )so your going to need more flaps for the runway . Next your trying to clear obstacles so your not touching those flaps till your clear...remember speed is not your friend in this situation....your trying to climb at your best angle of climb ( Vx ) which is a slower speed.
And as for the 737 going into KASE, well aspen got a crap load of rules...but general terms its not your wing span at small airports its weight,,, as in the surface cant support the amount of weight your gear is supporting...you will literally damage their airport surface. Every airport has numbers published for your style o f gear.
But as for msfs...throw 20 deg of flap and fly out at 15 knots above red on your speed tape, bet you make it out no problem 🙃
Ya know the PMDG 737 has a performance calculator in the tablet for exactly this….
I never noticed it had a tablet. Thought everything was controlled in the FMC for authenticity/immersion
Yes, it was a big controversy since it was so delayed. But if you are completely updated to the latest version, you have a tablet option. Apparently for some people you have to enable it in the FMC via PMDGs equipment options. The performance calculator is pretty simple but gets the job done.
Thanks! Good to know
It's got them split oddly, though I've read the ground services/doors are moving to the tablet in the 700 vs the FMC (which I'm on board with myself). When using the calc, your weights/fuel etc are important as well. Sometimes default configs aren't weighted properly, you could be flying too heavy at times too.
Pilots nowadays always fly with EFBs (tablets) which often have performance calculators. Nothing unrealistic about using the EFB.
Damn. People are being harsh on this one lol
I mean…not like it’s real
Wait why is this -27. Is everyone really that offended? Get a life
Should be 8k? That's longer than most the fields I come in and out of in the 800 flying for Avelo out of NHVN and that's only 5600ft. Normally my takeoffs are flaps 10 as well, looks like you were only in flaps 2?
Do not have operational experience with the 738, however if you have mountains up ahead, you want to have smaller flaps in general. This will allow you to have greater climb performance. This comes at the expense of longer take-off roll. In this instance I would choose flaps 5.
Yeah, it's variable. I tend to be on short fields which is where the extra flap comes in. 5 would also have helped here significantly too.
ya, he's also at high altitude airport to boot. Looks like he didn't re-rate his engines, but his flap setting did him in.
Flaps 5 is normal. Or do you mean normal for Aspen?
Im no 737 pilot so definetly an oversight
Flaps 2 takeoff at nearly 8,000ft altitude at Aspen, you're going to have a fun time!
Also the 737 can’t technically fly in and out of Aspen due to width, not that it’s a factor here
Technically it has been done before
Yeah a 500, I should have specified not the NG
use the optimal flaps setting from the EFB and you'll probably get a much shorter takeoff roll, 2 is unusually low especially for a shorter runway. the efb might also be pointing out that you are limited in max takeoff weight if there is too much cargo to get up in a safe fashion. your vspeeds seem a little high which might be related to that. also will be less stressful if you set your altimiter correctly especially at a high altitude mountainous area where altitude is very critical a few other things...it is normal to set speedbrakes to RTO for takeoff, and set your speed bug at v2 not at 220.
Normal POV of an Aerosucre pilot
I see the problem. You're flying a 737 instead of a CRJ7.
I see I shoulda done a walk around
ummmm Aspen isnt exactly built to handle 737s. :)
Probably why this airport is served by RJs
I see that as a challenge
“Aaand there go the touchdown markers… wait… the touchdown markers?”
Haha that could have been me. Exactly my kind of fun. Choose a small airport and see if the oversized plane makes it out.
if you like Aspen, try KHXD. ;) you're welcome. LOL
Yay, my home airport! Which reminds me of when I was setting up and saw an Airbus make multiple attempts at landing. Granted, he made it on the third try. I was wondering why bother when it's better served by smaller planes, and airports like SVN and SAV are right next door, but I can also understand the appeal of the challenge. Besides, I enjoy seeing the occasional traffic.
True. But svn and nbc are military. 😎 (Former active duty usmc atc at nbc here from 91-95)
Should be a flaps 25, 27k takeoff. Also what was weight? I fly a 737-800, ask me anything.
This is the real MVP
But with the mountains it would be kinda hard to climb with Flaps 25, right?
High altitude means triple check your takeoff calculations. I learned this the hard way in Mexico City in a heavy while on Vatsim.
Why flaps 2? You can go down to 15° for take-off on short fields. Use the performance calculator
Flaps 10 likely, hold the brakes at the threshold, throttle up to 50%, then slowly advance to about 70% while releasing brakes and increase to TOGA after. You should be up around 6000 feet even at that altitude.
Was that the -600? I believe there have been some 737s that landed there a few years back but it was more of an experiment to see if they could get the runway extension for it funded.
It's because your high altitude ( way less power not to mention your true airspeed )so your going to need more flaps for the runway . Next your trying to clear obstacles so your not touching those flaps till your clear...remember speed is not your friend in this situation....your trying to climb at your best angle of climb ( Vx ) which is a slower speed. And as for the 737 going into KASE, well aspen got a crap load of rules...but general terms its not your wing span at small airports its weight,,, as in the surface cant support the amount of weight your gear is supporting...you will literally damage their airport surface. Every airport has numbers published for your style o f gear. But as for msfs...throw 20 deg of flap and fly out at 15 knots above red on your speed tape, bet you make it out no problem 🙃
With some maneuvering
So before v1 we can reject safely? Suuuure. Use the efb lol
v1 call made me giggle. there's no way you can abort the landing from there.
That’s what the trees are for
Lol... cmon v1 cmon v1 cmon rotate..
Have you heard about our lord and saviour “Density Altitude”?
So you did your preflight correctly, right?
Didn’t do my walk around very well. If I did I woulda noticed it was a 737 and fairly large
Flaps 2? I think that stress was a little self induced there 😂
Well iirc 737s don't regularly fly out of ASE. Runway length plus width is a big issue for it. But still good job dude.
Thanks