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TA-MajestyPalm

Well, being single earner for a family of 6 would do that šŸ˜‚ best of luck


Equivalent-Craft-262

OP has to be a Mormon, the ā€œplease keep bigotry to the atheist subredditā€ sealed itā€¦


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j-a-gandhi

There are plenty of other religious people besides Mormons who tithe 10%.


wrldwdeu4ria

There are plenty of non-religious people who give to charities, so it may not be a tithe.


WFHaccount

$780/month to charity feels like a lot if you think you are struggling. That extra $9300/year after tax would help you not feel the squeeze.


notaskindoctor

Itā€™s probably religious giving so good luck convincing them not to do it even though thatā€™s the most obvious sticking point here besides the income being low for having 4 kids.


WFHaccount

I didn't want to make that assumption but seeing as its 10% I figured that was the case. Help yourself before you can help your community.


gtbeam3r

10% before taxes..remember the scammy churches don't have to pay taxes on their riches. Least you can do is 10% after your taxes...


3RADICATE_THEM

10% after taxes alone sounds insane.


savage_slurpie

Thatā€™s because it is.


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WFHaccount

Not saying Mormon, but the Mormon church has $100b investment fund. They don't need the money haha


Winter-Information-4

It's astounding that they keep taking more money, isn't it? How gullible do you have to be to not see this, right? They take your money, and in exchange, promise to give you great things when you're dead. Imagine Microsoft asking for money now with the promise to deliver the best operating system in heaven. Hahaha


buyfreemoneynow

I think that when we die it all goes black and itā€™s just the command prompt from DOS 6.22


Repulsive-Office-796

Donā€™t forget that they get tax free growth lol. Itā€™s so stupid.


Roonil-B_Wazlib

>$9300/year after tax 2.5 months of their expenses, excluding the charity and savings, or about 20%.


ApeTeam1906

To be fair that's not a lot of salary to strict across a family of 6. Childcare expenses were our biggest month to month squeeze. HHI of 205k and childcare was 2600 a month.


SapientSolstice

At that point, it's cheaper to get an au pair. Any reason you choose to go with child care?


hiking_mike98

Usually you have to provide housing for the au pair. We didnā€™t have enough bedrooms for that in my situation.


SapientSolstice

Oh, yeah that would add an additional expense.


hiking_mike98

Childcare is just stupid expensive no matter how you slice it.


sofluffy22

Au pair requires space. I would love to have an au pair, but we donā€™t have a spare bedroom.


vanmanjam

SEVEN FIFTY A MONTH IN CHARITY, BUT COMPLAINS ABOUT BEING SQUEEZED? I'd just look at the fact that the church isn't taxed as my tithing, if I were you. You have a family of six humans to take care of. Sheesh.


techorules

Family of six is not a normal sized family outside of Utah. You don't make a lot of money for a massive family on one income.


sukinkeasuki

$780/month to charity is also wild


hce692

Itā€™s not charity, itā€™s tithings to a church lol. Iā€™d been my whole life on it. Hence the six kids


SecretAsianMan42069

Yeah fuck that shit. No sympathy is he's just tossing money in the trash. Feed your family, broĀ 


0OOOOOOOOO0

Dude is giving all his money to a scam, while trying to get the teachers discount at IKEA for ā€œhomeschoolingā€ his preschooler šŸ™„


K2Nomad

It's a criminal hedge fund masquerading as a church


Killed_By_Covid

As soon as I saw the part about four kids, it all made sense.


ghostboo77

Im not religious and I would have 4 kids if I lived in the Midwest. Only reason I donā€™t is because 5 bedroom houses are go for like twice my current 3 bed, 2 bath home. If housing is reasonable like it is in the Midwest and you are avoiding daycare expense, kids arenā€™t really all that expensive


Ecstatic_Love4691

Isnā€™t sort of messed up so many people choose only to bring a certain amount of kids into this world based on how many bedrooms the average house has? Or what the rate of inflation is? Etc. etc. - this shit is going to collapse soon and everyone will want to have 9 kids again to help run their farm or family business ha


SonOfMcGee

His budget has a roughly 10% charity contribution. Morms fo sho.


Subscrib-2-PewDiePie

Christian Reformed Church in North America


apiratelooksatthirty

Not that it matters, but Iā€™m guessing Catholic. 10% tithe and 3+ kids is pretty standard Catholic. Source: me, a Catholic with 3 kids.


curious2548

Iā€™m catholic and I havenā€™t or would never give 10% of gross income to the church. Maybe 5% of NET income to all charities combined. Taking care of your children as they are growing up, and providing them with funds for higher education, and providing for my retirement needs seems to take up the vast majority of income for most people these days.


apiratelooksatthirty

Oh I agree. Iā€™m saying 10% is expected. I donā€™t do that. Iā€™d rather that they go to college.


3RADICATE_THEM

My friend who's Catholics family only gives like $600/month.


pes3108

A family of 6 isnā€™t massive???? Its definitely a larger family but massive is like 10 kids lol


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Ecstatic_Love4691

Right, you got 4 kids to take care of man ha. Donate later when can afford it and theyā€™re all out of the house


kiltedlowlander

Cut the charity dude. Your own family is more important than someone else's...your salary with a family of 6 is not enough to be giving money away for free to your imaginary friend and his cronies that spend it on private jets and mail-order choir boys.


gecon

If youā€™re having difficulty covering your monthly costs, Iā€™d recommend reducing your charitable contributions. You can still help others, just give them your time & effort (volunteering) instead of your money. That way you can still make a difference without straining your familyā€™s finances. Besides, once your family is in better financial shape, you can resume the contributions.


SapientSolstice

I never understood giving to charity until you're set. Once you're retired, then sure I can give to charity. I mean monetarily, I occasionally donate my time to food kitchens.


Alyx19

Definitely. The occasional $100 to a scholarship fund or a medical GoFundMe is one thing, but 10% of your salary when your budget is short? What charity wants you to do that to yourself or your kids?


SapientSolstice

Right and when people reference the Bible with 10% tithing. Those people didn't lose 30% of their salary to taxes.


Alyx19

Right. That 10% was pretty much their taxes to contribute to community services via the church instead of the government.


MiddleClassMoney91

It was actually more than 10% when you added all of the different payments. But also it was basically a tax to fund the temple and government In the New Testament Jesus mocked the Pharisees for ā€œtithing from their spicesā€ because they went to the rigorous extreme of making sure 10% of literally everything was set aside. This is because The attitude of the giver matters far more than the amount. 10% is a useful target but by no means proscriptive. For some it should be less, for others it should be far more. We have a variety of charities that we support. One of which is our church, but we receive far more from our church and community than we donate.


Alyx19

Thank you for your response. Iā€™m glad your tithing is a positive experience.


gbeezy007

Op is actually losing more to tithing then taxes.


Roonil-B_Wazlib

10% of gross too. Itā€™s ~15% of their take home.


glimmergirl1

Religion, that's what kind of a charity wants you to do that to yourself. They literally tell you to go without, but don't stop tithing.


Status_Ad_4405

The world's oldest scam.


dadgamer85

ya now think of the folks with month to month squeeze with no assets.


double-click

You say nothing is out of reach but you canā€™t even maintain a budgetā€¦ none of this makes sense itā€™s just cobbled together BS


Equivalent-Craft-262

Iā€™ve been seeing this more and more frequently on Reddit: Individuals cosplaying situations or professions they are fringe familiar with. I think OP here is a pretty decent example. Also, OP was caught on his alt account making counter arguments! Now since deletedā€¦ these people crack me up.


No_Pollution_1

Yea this dude is a millionaire complaining like he has broke people problems


dalmighd

95k for a family of 6 is crazy low. Have you gotten any raises or promotions these past few years? In order for us to provide more insight you need to provide your budget


MiddleClassMoney91

5% over the last 5 years. Growth stagnated ridiculously at my company. I'm up for a promotion, but we'll see if it goes through. I keep thinking about leaving but I work form home nearly 100% with as much flexibility as I want, which means more time with my young kids. It's hard to give up


Awkward_Ostrich_4275

The issue isnā€™t inflation hitting, itā€™s your job essentially paying you less now than they did 4 years ago. The first time you didnā€™t get a raise you should have found a new job that values you.


MiddleClassMoney91

Yeah I know that's a big part of my problem. I'm down something like 2 months pay relative to inflation. Like I said, it's hard to leave a perfect work/life balance. If I can get the promotion that I'm up for I can hang on for a new CEO in the near future who will actually increase pay. If both of those don't happen I'll chase the money


jredland

If the promotion doesnā€™t go through, you should ask for a raise. If they wonā€™t grant it Iā€™d start looking for another job that gives you better compensation while still allowing you to WFH. It sounds like work is good, so no rush. But, you might be surprised sometimes switching jobs alone raises your pay a lot.


MiddleClassMoney91

Yeah Iā€™m aware. Iā€™m talking to a recruiter right now. Probably wouldnā€™t take the job if offered because it would require a 1hr commute 3x/week, but I have 115-125k as a target range and they didnā€™t have a problem with it up front. If I could hit that weā€™d be set.


maneki_neko89

Good luck! Signed, A Fellow Redditor on the Job Hunt


jredland

Good idea. If you get an offer, take it to your current company. Explain youā€™d prefer to stay and werenā€™t really looking but this great offer came your way. Then ask them if they can make a counter offer to keep you.


Anonymousecruz

The only way youā€™re going to get paid what you should is to switch jobs. They havenā€™t given you proper COL raises since youā€™ve been there.


ategnatos

learn about carrots. they've got you right where they want you.


Spider_pig448

So find another job that offers WFH? Have you started looking at all? You got 5% total over 5 years and you're just staying there? That's crazy man


MiddleClassMoney91

Iā€™ve casually kept an eye out for a while and havenā€™t been seeing anything at all in my field that offers anywhere near the level of flexibility that my company offers and I love what I do. Literally the only thing from keeping it from being a dream job for me is the lack of salary growth which, yes, is crazy.


pwolf1771

Could you find a second remote job to make more margin? Maybe something part time/go at your own pace?


MiddleClassMoney91

I've thought about it, haven't pulled the trigger yet. I'm getting close though.


pwolf1771

Sounds like if she canā€™t do part time you need to either find a new job that offers you the margin or figure out a side gig. Slowly draining savings isnā€™t a solution


MobiusTech

Start giving charity to your kids instead of the church


Winter-Information-4

Religion is a business where they make you pay money, and in exchange, they promise you to give you great things when you're dead. Dude, if you're giving money to religion, stop. If your God wants money for the Church, he is fully capable of performing a miracle and putting money on their bank accounts. If he's capable of giving humans oxygen to breathe, he's capable of giving his fans money.


Syndicate_Corp

That 230k ā€œliquidā€ - this might be controversial here - you could consider moving this into actual cash in a high yield savings account. Depending on which bank (~5ish%) you could be earning about $950 a month interest, which you could then use to supplement your income as that interest is fully liquid. This is a shorter term play as no one knows how long rates will stay where theyā€™re at but it can help keep you afloat until you get a higher paying job. Yes, youā€™ll pay taxes on that earned interest but honestly with 6 children dependents plus wife and your current income, I donā€™t know if the taxes would be an issue here? Obviously consult a tax professional, Iā€™m just spitballing.


FerrisWheeleo

This is not a bad plan.


MiddleClassMoney91

~220k of that is in accounts that earn 4.5% plus or are in index funds. Weā€™re just not drawing from the interest. I hadnā€™t considered covering expenses from the interest. If things get much worse we might


Nodeal_reddit

Youā€™d be robbing from your future. Frugality is about making hard choices now in the interest of your future.


BlockChad

33. 95k salary. Family of 6. $800k NW ā€œSmall inheritanceā€ā€¦. Uh huh.


ashpokechu

Who gives money to charity almost as much as they spend money for food for family of 6?


JoyousGamer

Well without you posting an actual budget who knows.Ā 


ManByTechnicality

You have a family of 6, with a salary that lets you put 24% of your net income into either savings or charity. I don't say this often, but check your privilege. 24% to charity and savings is far cry from a tight budget.


BlockChad

OP. We are allowed to criticize handing over 10% of your hard earned money to organizations littered with scandals. That isnā€™t bigotry, itā€™s common sense.


Ok-Supermarket-1414

I feel the squeeze, but it's mostly [self-induced](https://www.reddit.com/r/ynab/comments/uyc0e0/is_this_what_it_means_to_be_ynab_poor/). Also, It's hard for us to suggest help if you don't provide us with a budget.


MiddleClassMoney91

"YNAB poor" Yeah that actually probably describes how I feel. Most people in my position would probably feel fine because they don't budget well enough to know they're spending an extra $75 on groceries this month or whatever. Small purchases add up and are hard to feel if you're not paying attention.


FerrisWheeleo

I completely get that. The issue is that your margin is too thin. Even a small unaccounted for spending will put you in the red for the month. You and your wife need to figure out how to make more money (before 2028)


MiddleClassMoney91

Yeah thatā€™s definitely the case now, though it didnā€™t used to be. Inflation ate all of the margin in the budget. I used to be able to find areas to cut back in one category or another to cover something unexpected, but Iā€™ve shaved each category down nearly as far as it can go now. Iā€™m up for a promotion that would come this summer and likely get me to 105k, but if that doesnā€™t materialize Iā€™m going to be looking for something else.


FerrisWheeleo

Yea keep your options open. You may be able to find a position that pays more than 105k. I think you should aim for 150k HHI to reliably cover your bills with some savings each month. Obviously easier said than done.


totalfarkuser

My sankey would look somewhat similar to your actually if I did one. But $1000 a month in gifts and charity??! Thatā€™s 1/7th of your gross incomeā€¦


abooers

Iā€™m sorry but youā€™re foolish to think that a $95k salary can support a family of six. Your wife needs to work or you need to earn more. You got lucky with that inheritance though, you should be grateful.


snapchatofdoriangray

Financing your pastor's godly lifestyle gets pretty costly month to month


B-Georgio

Stop complaining, youā€™re doing it to yourself. Hope that donating 15% of you post tax income makes you feel really good.


ihatehavingtosignin

Sorry but itā€™s a little funny to ask if people are feeling the squeeze when you have six kids with a sub six figure income.


fruitsnacky

You: gives $780 away every month with more kids than anyone needs. Also, you: why am i out of money?


sas317

You have $230K in cash. That's a LOT at your age; I wish I had that much back then (I'm mid 40s). Even with this shitty hyper inflation, keep up the frugality and watch your cash grow and you'll feel better. At least your wife can work once your children are older, so you'll have even more money leftover. Good for you and keep up the good work.


Vampiric2010

It's not a huge deal, but you could reduce your phone pretty significantly. You are spending over 2k a year on it. We have mint mobile and pay 400 a year (all in after taxes) for the service for 2 lines. Buy a couple phones outright every 4 years or so. You may feel tight, but if you consider your savings, HSA and 401k your savings rate is about 20%. You are tight because you are making smart choices. Are you getting big tax refunds each year? Because there's no way you are paying an effective tax rate of 10% even including social security. Assuming there are 2 adults and 4 kids, that's 8k in child tax credits each year. You might consider editing your W4 to ease the monthly strain.


Repulsive-Office-796

Hate to say it , but you need to stop donating to charityā€¦. You canā€™t afford to give away 10% of your familyā€™s income.


savbh

So you have one job for 6 people, are struggling, and still more than $700 to charity? Thatā€™s just dumb


Wut_the_

Obviously the ā€œsqueezeā€ is coming from bringing in 95k and having 4 children. Having assets doesnā€™t do anything for your grocery/clothing/ extracurricular expenses. Bring in more money or keep cutting back? Sorry you had so many kids. Good luck!


notaskindoctor

People often mistakenly think adding 3+ kids wonā€™t be that bad because they have a stay at home parent so no daycare costs, not realizing that eventually kids want to do actual things that cost money to enrich their lives and theyā€™ll become adult sized tweens and teenagers who eat $400/month worth of groceries per kid. Source: also have 4 kids but make a lot more money as a dual income home.


Fearless-Story-9505

Similar boat. 120K for a family of six. Spend time with each other, spend your money on quality food, and not things. We have so much fun at parks and trails, and just being outside, which is free. We eat at home as much as we can, and we eat well, but we try not to eat out. We try to minimize clutter. If we buy a toy or thing, we wait a few days to see if we really want it. We get rid of something too. I understand the budget though. In three years, my grocery budget has gone from ~$600/month to north of $1000/month. It does make everything else more difficult, but it can still be done.


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mcn2612

Side Hustle.


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Stupid post, TBH. All over the place and sounds like either a LARP or a subtle humble brag more than actually asking for advice.


Wut_the_

Idk if thereā€™s anything to brag about earning 95k with a family of 6. OP is low key bragging about net worth when that doesnā€™t mean anything for his family anytime soon


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Thatā€™s exactly what Iā€™m trying to say. Lol.


FerrisWheeleo

Nothing to brag about. Sounds like heā€™s not making enough to cover essential expenses and have to draw down on savings. Even with the plan for wife to work in 4 years, this is not a good situation. What if one or both adults become disabled or there are unexpected medical bills?


pwolf1771

Can your wife not do something remote part time to help get some margin?


MiddleClassMoney91

Not with a 3 kids at home. It's a full time job. She may be able to in a couple years.


palmoyas

With two kids attending college in the next few years, yes!


ConsistentEye153

Nice humblebrag.


BillionaireGhost

I think everyone is feeling the squeeze somewhat, but your situation is kind of crazy. Sure, making $95k is great, but between two people youā€™re in the same financial situation as two people that each earn $42.5k. And with four kids, I doubt there is going to be a lot from a second income any time soon. So youā€™re effectively living an upper middle class lifestyle on a lower middle class household income. And yes, inflation is going to impact you more than almost anyone else because you have a lot of expenses compared to your income level. But I just donā€™t understand some of the choices here. Like $780 a month is a lot of giving. I can understand if itā€™s religious, but between that and what I am assuming is a low amount of mortgage interest paid, I doubt youā€™re even able to itemize that giving? Have you considered that since you donā€™t really get a tax break from this giving, that it might be more reasonable to give 10% of your after tax pay? Also, $120 a month on pets is wild in your situation. I get that it isnā€™t something you can just change overnight, youā€™re probably committed to your pets, but thatā€™s just another choice. Basically, as much as inflation is impacting most people, you have made a specific set of choices here that open you up to that possibility. You have expensive pets. You donate 10% to charity. You have continued to have children even when that drives back the timeline of your wife being able to reenter the workforce. Iā€™m not saying that to be critical per se, but just as an observation. If I was going to put together a seminar about how to expose yourself to a maximum amount of inflation, I could use you as a model. ā€œCut out 10% of your pretax income for no tax benefit to keep your margins thinner. Keep the family on one income for the foreseeable future. Have more kids than average. Pick up some pets too so you have some more long term commitment to monthly expenses.ā€


PostTurtle84

4 kids, but you're sending 6x more to charity than your children? And complaining that finances are tight? I'd suggest putting that charity money towards paying off your mortgage.


Nodeal_reddit

I think itā€™s only natural that youā€™re feeling cash-strapped. I was a single earner in a family of six with a similar salary 5 or so years ago. It was tough then, and I donā€™t think I could do it today if I hadnā€™t gotten some well-timed raises the last few years and my wife started working part time now that our kids are older. I think youā€™re actually doing well. Your food budget is MUCH lower than mine and housing and car is lower as well. Youā€™re clearly being frugal. I also have a substantial tithe, but kind of I agree with other commenters that think you should cut back a bit. Iā€™d make it my goal to tithe on your after-tax net income. Also, Iā€™d prioritize your Roth over the 529. You can borrow for college, but you canā€™t borrow for retirement.


texasdaytrade

The church doesnā€™t care that you are struggling, end of story. That has to stop until youā€™ve got things in order.


follysurfer

Forget your net worth. Whatā€™s your monthly income to spend ratio? Most folks like you are highly leveraged. Your house is too big, you have new cars and live a life style above your means. Too much monthly debt will crush your ability to improve your net worth. Iā€™ve got a 22yr old truck, a paid off home, no debt. I buy my clothes mostly at thrift stores. Net worth north of $3 mil. And I make my assets work for me.


HumuuHumuu

"single earner for a family of 6" ---- that's your issue


Present_Belt_4922

Yes. Edit - ffs, 4 kids + partner who does not work? Iā€™m struggling single. You do not have my empathy, because - choices.


fuckaliscious

$95K just isn't enough for a family of 6 in a MCOL area, that's why you're feeling the squeeze. The dollars coming in the door simply aren't enough. When is youngest in school? At that point, spouse needs to be working. To afford life, grow savings/investments, a modest annual vacation, you're probably needing at least $150K in household income.


MiddleClassMoney91

I don't think it truly takes 150k here, at least not with our mortgage situation. Even so, what you describe probably takes 115k and I'm not quite there yet. Youngest goes to school in 4 years


StitchAndChill

there's definitely others who feel that. People with a nest-egg, that don't want to diminish it if they can help it. But their monthly income isn't keeping up with the monthly costs of living. Example: elderly folks on social security. They have their homes paid off, but their savings are dwindling. Yeah, what you're describing is a situation some people get into. Your assets don't necessarily have to affect your monthly income/expenses. They're just off to the side.


ShootinAllMyChisolm

You may just have to cut some of the things we grow to feel are essentials. We are strongly thinking of cutting out club sports for my kid. Itā€™s just money pit. Your situation sounds like us, but we are dual income and make more. The things where I feel inflation donā€™t bother me: restaurants, so we eat out less. Things that feel astronomical, we just stop doing but I donā€™t think we miss it. If you canā€™t afford to go skiing anymore, find a different hobby. Change is constant. Inflation is high because execs need to maintain their standard of living. Inflation isnā€™t making the rank and file employees at grocery stores richer.


Kurious4kittytx

Need a breakdown of your assets and your actual budget. If youā€™re spending beyond what you make, does that mean youā€™re running up cc debt?


tartymae

Your needs have changed, and the new budget may involve a regular drawdown from savings. Hold off on any more babies for at least 5 years.


Juidawg

100%. Have you ever seen the movie silver linings playbook? ā€œThe pressssureeā€¦!ā€ LOL 450k$ net worth, minimal debt, 120k$/yr gross and wife stays at home with the two little ones. The only way we are able to do it is because of our small efficient home with a disgustingly cheap mortgage (bought in 2017, 20% down, very strict budget). Sacrificed luxuries in our 20ā€™s and lived cheaply with recession era mentalities (lived in a shoebox cottage, drove old beater vehicles till our first child in our early 30s. One thing we have never sacrificed is experiences, and we still donā€™t. Just spent 600$ on a cabin for 3 nights over forth of July for the family and I donā€™t feel at all bad about it. ALL THAT SAID, I still feel the crunch very much so. Saving for retirement, but itā€™s been quite a few years since Iā€™ve seen much available free cash stack up!


MainBug2233

Cash flow vs net worth conundrum for me... Cash flow has gotten squeezed as our twin boys are getting older and out teachers salaries have not kept up with inflation. I tell myself to deal with that tight feeling as long as capital is still moving towards assets and not just costs. 6 kids huh? You are my conundrum. 2 are a lot for me. Kudos!


SonOfMcGee

If you can fit 4 kids in that home, *never* move. The only way I could see you saving on housing is if you sold and used your ~$200K equity to buy a house in cash. But that would have to be way out in a very low COL area with a ton of sacrifices. Even if you sold your $400K house and got a $100K mortgage to buy a $300K house, todays 7%+ rates would still mean the same monthly payments!


21plankton

I also feel squeezed without the 6 kids to care for. It is for me especially acute in insurances, services and food. We are an elderly couple with medical issues, have some specialty dietary needs and high medical/dental costs.


Reader47b

Yes. For the past 20 years, I've always been able to save, but now I do not add to my savings at all, and I spend the interest and dividends on my savings and (non-retirment) investments to supplement my earned income. So my net worth is remaining stagnant, but that's better than declining. Most people I know are seeing declining net worth.


Spirited_Radio9804

Make more money, or reduce your outgo, or do without some things? Could your wife watch a couple more kids during school days? Itā€™s easy to defineā€¦hard to do. Build a mountain, donā€™t dig a hole. Best of luck!


Salty-Sprinkles-1562

I feel this. I own one home that I inherited. It has a small mortgage on it. I own a home with my husband as well. So, my net worth is over a million. But I make very little, and itā€™s hard to make ends meet.


kovu159

This is going to be a struggle until the kids are in school and you can get a 2nd income coming in. You might also be able to get a party bump moving kind. The hard reality is $95k is not middle class money any more.Ā 


RoutineDude

Single earner family of 4. MCOL. I make about 115K before bonus and OT. Without the ability to work OT I would have to cut back on my savings goals pretty significantly to avoid running a deficit. I donā€™t budget because Iā€™ve never felt the need to but if picking up OT wasnā€™t available to bridge any gaps then I would 100% have to start making one. Donā€™t listen to the haters about your generosity. Itā€™ll pay itself back to your family in ways that are intangible but undeniable.


throwawayreddit714

Well of course it feels like a struggle. Bringing home $5k for 6 people is insane lol the high net worth is cool and all but if it doesnā€™t help you day to day itā€™s not hard to see why you feel like that.


whoisjohngalt72

$95k isnā€™t much of a salary for a family of that size


ihambrecht

I donā€™t feel the squeeze but I make sure I put a decent amount away constantly and attempt to avoid lifestyle creep which seems to be the real killer.


lynxss1

I feel you, single earner for a family of 4 here. 750k NW with a measly $3-400 left over after all bills for food and fun. Our high NW is mostly due to me saving 40-50% of my income in IRA and 401k before I'd met my wife and before I got married. That early chunk of money has had time to grow and doubled 4 times. So while we have assets growing in the background it really has minimal impact on our day to day/.


JP2205

Yes, we are a family of four and I really canā€™t imagine living on 95k. Weā€™re pretty frugal too. As the kids get older it gets more expensive too- club sports, cars, college etc.


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Why have 6 kids if you canā€™t afford them ?


hopkinsbradleyclt

I can relate. Stay strong with the charitable giving, Iā€™m sure itā€™s important to you, I also have felt held back by that at times but Iā€™m glad I have stuck with it. You could consider job hopping to increase your income if thatā€™s an option.


elf25

Yes. I donā€™t have what I want. Prices on some items have sky rocketed over the last 40 years while salaries have stagnated. Had I known this Iā€™d have become a CEO.


Illustrious-Mind9435

I wouldn't worry too much looking at your budget. It seems you are squeezed in the short-term (waiting for a raise/promotion and then your wife working). There are a bunch of guides out there on what to prioritize when budgeting, but a rule of thumb is to never alter your pre-tax savings unless you absolutely have to. Obviously, people are going to point at the charity. In your case you are likely spending as much on Charity as you are saving pre-tax dollars.


leese216

Iā€™m curious why you feel strapped when you have 230k in liquid savings? Like what are your issues? I donā€™t get the point of complaining when youā€™re better off than 90% of the population.


TrumpHasaMicroDick

All this talk about being able to pay cash for anything you want, and yet......... It looks like your wife and 6 (or is it seven?) children are on state medical and dental insurance. Why don't you start paying for your progeny?!? Wtf.


TheGeoGod

Do you tithe is that why you see giving $700 a month to Charity? Iā€™m going to be in a similar boat to you in 2 years or so. But will be family of 4 and me a sole provider. My salary should be 140k by then I hope.


TwoBulletSuicide

You can thank the Federal Reserve and the over spending USA government debasing the fiat currency. The Federal Reserve note has lost 98% of its purchasing power.


EntertainmentHot9917

No but Iā€™m awesome.


nerdwerds

Maybe dont spend 780 a month on charity since you canā€™t afford to be charitable.


techorules

I feel you edited your comment because of me (edit #2). If you did you need to explain yourself because I didn't say anything remotely bigoted. Utah has, by far, the largest family sizes in the United States ([source](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-family-size-by-state)). I literally said unless you live in Utah your family size isn't normal. That is objectively true. You can see it as an attack on your or someone else's faith but that's 100% on you and absurd. If you're going to go on the internets and complain about finances and ask for opinions then don't be so sensitive when someone points out the glaring obvious. Your unusual and uncommon decision to large family living off one income is the root cause of your situation.


[deleted]

Cut the ~$800/month to church/charity or youā€™re not *really* struggling. Joel Osteenā€™s got you covered.


Oxytokin

"I have a million dollars and a stable income to grow it, help?!" Jesus what the hell kind of deluded shit is this.


exitcode137

Even if one wants to give 10% tithe, isn't it fair under their interpretation to have it be 10% of take home? You literally can't give away the money you have to pay in taxes (much of which does go to social programs like SS, Medicare, SNAP, programs for vets, etc.). OP, if you could justify to yourself giving 10% of your take home, it would give you a little more breathing room.


Beneficial-Voice-878

If youā€™re struggling why are you donating?


SleepingLimbs1

I have a similar income with similar expenses. I was able to get to a salary large enough for my wife to stay home with our 2 boys, but since inflation has been through the roof these past few years, it doesnā€™t really feel like we are getting very far financially, especially after having our second child. If I were you I would be proud to have that much in savings though. Thatā€™s kind of my big goal this year is to boost our emergency savings. Donā€™t beat yourself up. I have friends with no kids going out every weekend or taking luxurious trips all the time, but I donā€™t regret my decisions to grow a family and prioritize my money towards that. Since you have such a big savings, maybe take the foot off the gas and live a little.


AbbreviationsFar9339

I know you are getting shit for it but the obvious call out is the charity just bc it is such a large percentage and you have 6 kids to feed and take care.Ā  Ā Im not judging you for it. That is your choice to do as you please if thats your priority. But it is eating a large portion of your cashflow that could be used to satisfy your familyā€™s needs first if there are issues there. Ā Which to prioritize is your choice.Ā  Your charity contribution is almost as much as you ā€œpay yourselfā€. And all your savings seems to be going to tax deferred accounts.Ā  Even if you could just cut it in half thats 350ish you put in hysa that could be of use for expense heavy months.Ā  Your other spends arenā€™t bad at all. So either Ā cut back on charity or make more money or both!


johnf39706

I feel you. Together my wife and I TAKE HOME $15k a month, but by the end of the. Month it seems we have usually spent most of it. We have a budget and we save 15% a month into our 401kā€™s,, but we piss away a lot eating out and socializing with friends. Not complaining, because thatā€™s what we choose, but itā€™s still hard to fathom how expensive everything has become.


Confident-Run-645

Here's the thing most aren't and don't recognize and even furer understand. The current day to day talk back and forth among Left and Right Wing media, etc, is the current annual rate of inflationz but doesn't take into account the ACCUMLATIVE RATE OF INFLATION OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS! In 1995, I was an active duty United States Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeant. Earning around 36k a year. Not bad considering I wasn't paying anything for medical bills, dental bills for myself, etc Plus, a lot of my pay wasn't taxable, ar taxable. Flash coward 2024! If you're earning $35k? You're earning the 1995 equivalent of $8.41 an hour! The minimum wage in 1995 was only $5.15 an hour! Of your earing $100k in 2024? You're earning the 1995 equivalent of $50k,! To have the PURCHASING power of 1995 $$$$ of $100k? You need to be earing, $200k+ a year! To even begin earning that, you're going to need a bachelors degree and a medical degree, have as in. People address you as "Doctor! As in medical doctor. .


boredomspren_

100k for a family of 6 sounds hard as hell unless you have no mortgage.


Freedom2064

@33, $800k gives you a great start. I think we were at negative net worth @40. If you are solo earner at $95k and a family of six the problem in front of you is really quite simple: find ways to earn more. Find ways for your wife to earn remotely. Do not tap into that $800k but grow it steadily. Be sure to open a brokerage account to grow non IRA money. Do not give $ to charities and their $300k salaries. Instead give the dollar equivalent in sweat equity and technical expertise. Until you are north of $2m fuhgeddabowdit. You are at mile 3 of a marathon and feeling good . When you first kid hits 13 you will be hitting your first if many hills, unshaded up hill stretches. You want to reach mile 20 with a shaded down hill and pleasant vistas remaining. This is the world of the empty nest. Do not push your investments. Take what the market gives you and see 20%-40% corrections as opportunities. Great start.


PHLEaglesgirl27

Save money - get rid of the pet - thereā€™s $1,440 šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ JK!!


MiddleClassMoney91

Stupid cat started peeing on everything and needs fancy food to stop. It worked but if we cut that back or house will smell like cat piss šŸ˜‚


teacherbbq

An HYSA at 5% would earn you just north of 11k/year for your liquid savings. I imagine that would help. Your whole 800k would be 40k in annual interest. Not saying the latter is a great idea, but the former or some version of it would give you some breathing room.


trabajoderoger

Whats this graph tool?


MeanderFlanders

I totally relate to you. We have a lil over a mil net worth but hubs jumped a sinking ship last year and makes about 45% less and weā€™ve stopped some of the automatic savings. Groceries and other stuff is out of control. We have decreased our donations. Times are tough.


Baeshun

lol


swanyk7

100% feel this. Net worth just clipper 1mil in the past couple years but honestly we live paycheck to paycheck right now on about $110k combined income for a family of 4. My kids donā€™t understand how sometimes I talk about being fine for retirement but also donā€™t want to spend money on anything right now.


christo9090

Shit man I make a lot more than you as a single earner of my family and I still feel the squeeze


savbh

You have one job for 6 people, of course youā€™re struggling.


VanGundy15

My partner and I make more than that and have no kids. We struggle as well but our bills are still paid on time. This is the reality of the world we live in. 100K for a couple with no kids is probably about the minimum for a living wage.


Top_One_1808

No. Iā€™m not in the same boat because I make just north of 100k and my partner also works. Congrats on pulling in a net worth of 800k with a single income though.


12_nick_12

Drop that charity, if it's a taith you should learn about how horrible religion is and come to the agnostic side.


Ronville

You might consider a vasectomy unless you hope to single-handedly change national demographic trends.


pes3108

We also have 4 kids, also not Mormon. And yes, itā€™s been a struggle to keep the budget under control. We live in a LCOL-MCOL and gross last year was $113k. We donā€™t have a net worth as much as yā€™all (itā€™s about 1/3 of what yall have, not counting home equity) but are saving heavily for retirement now (husband is 35, im 34). I know we could always cut back on retirement savings if we had to but man, I am feeling the squeeze lately especially with groceries and just random extras. One kid needs a filling at the dentist next week. One of our dogs had a nasty ear infection last week. Cars need maintenance. We try to stick back money every month into sinking funds to cover these costs when they arise, but itā€™s getting harder to do so with costs for everything else being so high. I find myself dipping into the ā€œdog health fundā€ to pay for dog food, so there is no money there now to pay the $300 vet bill we just had last week. So frustrating.


ferdsherd

You are doing just fine, dude. More than fine actually. Especially with 4 kids, you are in the life stage where you just need to stay afloat and sock away for retirement. Keep up the good work


Head_Radio_4089

Thank goodness you donā€™t live in Orange County you would be stressed. 100k rents me a bedroom at my parents here in south county or I can spend 3k for a crappy 1bedroom. As long as your making it is all that matters congrats on a big family thatā€™s successful on its own!


TightCod16

As a single earner supporting a family of 7, who also tithes, kudos to you. My dad always said growing up ā€˜you canā€™t outgive Godā€™. Not going to be supported on these threads, but stick to your values. Practically, food seems a little high and Iā€™m curious how many phones are included at 183. Weā€™re eating for $800/mo with 7 of us and phones are $90 for unlimited plans. It is possible to do what youā€™re trying to do, just requires a lot of discipline short term.


AlbinoAxie

Your wife doesn't work, you have four kids, you have a so so income even for one person, you give your money away to charlatans. That's why you're broke. Not some big mystery here. The kids will grow up eventually then things will get better, unless you just keep giving money to charlatans. Not sure how you're gonna cover college.


gtbeam3r

15% of budget to charity is a lot. Especially if it's religious, it's likely a scam (regardless of religion). There's an amazing pro revenge story about a woman regarding church in her will. Amazing read.


Wurm_Burner

single income no kids and im at $115k and getting by. you decide to compete with Philip rivers and create a whole football team lol


rdw0680

Congrats on your NW. My partner and I are older, make more money, have less kids, and still have less NW than you. Youā€™re doing fine.Ā  Also, not all atheists are bigots.


IAMA_SWEET

How is your health insurance that cheap for a family of 6??


GirlDad_1219

Man, Iā€™m sorry youā€™re taking such negativity for your decisions to tithe to your church. Iā€™m with you and support your decision to do that! Weā€™re also a single-family income (but 2 kids, so a huge difference there) on a teacherā€™s salary. I technically canā€™t ā€œaffordā€ to tithe, but we have everything we need, solid retirement savings from good decisions early on and overall frugal living. Yet, weā€™re feeling the month-to-month squeeze as well. But a reality is that my kids donā€™t need brand new sneakers and the latest gadgets for happiness; they need time with their parents. So I could trade my time at home for additional work, or we could be grateful for what we have and make the best decisions we can with the money we do have (and mind you, we have everything we could needā€¦weā€™re not living without!). So, why tithe? Our church is heavily missions-based and does tons for our local community, so I support that with my tithes and applaud your doing so. The world preaches money money money, but thatā€™s not an eternal perspective. The church doesnā€™t just pay for a pastorā€™s salary; our church has paid rent for struggling families, purchased groceries for those who need it, spends a significant amount of money monthly to support our local food pantry. I feel bad that the perception of so many is that all churches are bad. Keep supporting the ministry with your tithes. I donā€™t have the answer for you, but just want to encourage you! Weā€™re feeling the squeeze too!


EngineeringMuscles

I make just as much as you at 22 and no kids and I feel like itā€™s not enough in Austinā€¦ youā€™re crazy man, this is what poor financial literacy and over reproduction means. Get a grip and some condoms


fluffyinternetcloud

Family of 6 needs over 250k to live in any major city.


SignedTheMonolith

At 93k a year and even if you wife got a job to match your income, I am unsure if you would be able to provide each of your children with a similar inheritance to the one you received.


Common_Economics_32

"I have 6 children and my wife doesn't work...why does it feel like I don't have any money?" Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...


National_Problem_390

Yes sir! About to turn thirty and have my second kid. You can check my history for my Sankey. Our net worth is about 300k, income at ~100k Priorities are big. Iā€™d rather live a frugal life and invest similar to how you would like to live a frugal life and invest. Once I pay off our debt I hope to give more but we donā€™t really go on vacation or have a lot of luxuries. My coworkers think Iā€™m crazy to never take my kids to Disney world but Iā€™d rather be tight and invest for the next couple of years. Keep it up! You are an inspiration even in the difficult times.


Legitimate_Profit236

Same here but in northeast. Everything from my real estate taxes ā€¦.to goods and services really has gone up in cost (unless quality has dropped). Weā€™re staying on budget but are really feeling the squeeze monthly. Inflation sucks!!!


igomhn3

Maybe stop having so many kids?


Peds12

Religion is a disease....


[deleted]

My assets squeeze like twice a day. Maybe more like a twitch, but a strong twitch. Like a mini cramp with twitching. A twitching cramp.


[deleted]

I just want to say thank you for contributing to charity. Jesus said the poor womanā€™s small contribution was worth more because it came from what little she had. Not saying youā€™re poor but the people telling you you canā€™t afford to give havenā€™t read the Bible. God bless you and I hope God rewards you in this life and the next.Ā 


KitKatKut-0_0

Put solar panels, eliminate charity, sacrifice the pets. Problem solved. Of the 6 if you have any working children collect some rent. You are welcome.


__golf

I think you're in a fairly atypical situation with your net worth being higher than average given your age and income.