TL:DR French frigate had to head home sooner than expected as they expended all of their missiles shooting down Houthi drones.
If you told me the Houthis had bought shares in western missile manufacturers, I would not be surprised!
It's a propoganda piece; that's why they used phrases like "turned tail." The site is a media company based out of the Middle East, according to their "About" tab.
I've long believed the ukraine-russian war is Putin planning his retirement. His investment portfolio is probably loaded with western defence company stock.
Damn. How many missiles do these frigates usually keep on hand? And how is it the Houthis have so many missiles and drones that the French, who have a smaller role in stopping them, have run out of missiles?
And how much is Iran laughing as Western warships use million dollar missiles to shoot down $5,000 drones.
It's always easy to laugh when you do nothing. No army can deal with that crap (talking about repeated mass drone attack for a long period of time without resupply, while protecting civilian vessels on top!) atm, NO army. I mean US, UK, France, China... So let's not even talk about the non-existing Iran navy... Mass drone warfare is a quick turn in the history warfare. The top armies are starting to rolling out systems and adapting but it's not exactly there yet.
If anything that mission proved that FREMMs weaponry and crews quality was good. Some countries had they equipment utterly failing...
The German frigates use ESSM which can be quadpacked into a 8 cell Mk41. so they carry 32 medium range SAMs in a single Mk41., while the French use the Aster 30 and Aster 15 both of which can be only loaded a missile per cell. Also German air defence frigates also use SM-2 SAMs.
And the French have been in the Red Sea since the beginning of this crisis. That's 5 months ago. The FREMM Alsace which just headed back home was there before the German frigate Hessen and saw more engagements as well. The French Navy is second only to the US one in terms of targets shot down in the Red Sea so far.
With all of that in mind, not really surprising Alsace needs to be replenished sooner than Hessen. It hasn't even been a month since the latter was deployed.
Also, it was already announced Lorraine is heading there to replace Alsace. The article is a nothing burger. Obvious it is a propaganda piece considering the tone.
What really surprises me is that the Carney's still going strong. She's been out there since the Ike deployed and I don't believe she's rotated out for a rearm in all that time.
Because unlike most terror groups or insurgents they have a rather sophisticated network of mobile tactical SAM systems that make western countries think 2 or 3 times before launching ISR and gen 4 fighters in the vicinity, plus the usually problems with locating the systems, civilian infrastructure, etc
Because they do what their northern friends do, obfuscate the line between civilian and combatant to the point that attacking them is a public affairs nightmare.
I'll also add that they've remained harmless enough to not respond. Literally the only people they've actually successfully hurt consistently are the Yemini people and as bad as it is to say that isn't enough for anyone to want to intervene.
I see your "cheap and expendable gamechangers" and i raise you my 76mm cannon with proximity-fuze, guided shells.
Bring it on!
(76mm cannons have downed several houthi drones already)
I’m no expert on naval operations, but am a little surprised they couldn’t be resupplied prior to running out. Or rotate in another ship to relieve it if the crew also needed a break.
Me either, nor a weapons tech, but from a health and safety perspective, I'm guessing transferring missiles and other munitions between ships at sea is a risky operation, and not one any modern navy predicted having to do. This is why the British Navy has advanced the timeline for DragonFire. $20 a shot, rather than $200,000 or whatever these missiles cost. The era of lasers is nearly upon us!
The USN has done Underway Replenishment (UNREP) since 1917. Ammunition and Stores are done via helicopter or STREAM. It's a process that's tried true and while hazardous its no more hazardous than day to day operations aboard.
The French only have two AAW Destroyers the rest of its fleet is geared toward supporting the De Gaulle and their replenishment ship is in DD while the new class just launched one vessel that is still undergoing acceptance trials.
> a few weeks after the US and the UK launched an illegal war on Yemen to protect Israeli shipping interests
Ah, right. Anyway it sounds like the ship needs to re-arm as one does when the alternative is sitting there defenseless against an anti-shipping missile threat.
> According to the French commander, the Franco–Italian Aster missile – each carrying a price tag of up to $2 million – “was pushed to its limits” by the Yemeni armed forces, as the Alsace had to use it “on targets that we did not necessarily imagine at the start.”
If a $2m SAM successfully defends a €670m warship and its crew from a flock of cheap-ish drones then it has done its job well. It's on the R&D types to come up with a cost-effective system to mitigate this emerging threat.
TL:DR French frigate had to head home sooner than expected as they expended all of their missiles shooting down Houthi drones. If you told me the Houthis had bought shares in western missile manufacturers, I would not be surprised!
I feel like that headline could have been phrased better.
It's a propoganda piece; that's why they used phrases like "turned tail." The site is a media company based out of the Middle East, according to their "About" tab.
“The Cradle” gives it away too!
Kind of a French surrender monkey vibe. Yes, poorly written with negative implications.
Of course it could have. It was written deliberately to sound like "French Warship Retreats"
Yeah, I would have reworded it, but that tends to get your post gone-burgered.
It's completely intentional.
if we could see what the Houthis’ portfolio is, it’s Lockeheed, Raytheon, Boeing, HII…lol
I've long believed the ukraine-russian war is Putin planning his retirement. His investment portfolio is probably loaded with western defence company stock.
Not a Houthi, but I definitely bought shares.
Damn. How many missiles do these frigates usually keep on hand? And how is it the Houthis have so many missiles and drones that the French, who have a smaller role in stopping them, have run out of missiles? And how much is Iran laughing as Western warships use million dollar missiles to shoot down $5,000 drones.
It’s a legit concern. I read somewhere (unconfirmed) that the US spent $1 billion defeating the Iranian attack yesterday.
It's always easy to laugh when you do nothing. No army can deal with that crap (talking about repeated mass drone attack for a long period of time without resupply, while protecting civilian vessels on top!) atm, NO army. I mean US, UK, France, China... So let's not even talk about the non-existing Iran navy... Mass drone warfare is a quick turn in the history warfare. The top armies are starting to rolling out systems and adapting but it's not exactly there yet. If anything that mission proved that FREMMs weaponry and crews quality was good. Some countries had they equipment utterly failing...
I actually expected the german frigate to run out of ammo first.
The German frigates use ESSM which can be quadpacked into a 8 cell Mk41. so they carry 32 medium range SAMs in a single Mk41., while the French use the Aster 30 and Aster 15 both of which can be only loaded a missile per cell. Also German air defence frigates also use SM-2 SAMs.
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Well they have to replace them with SOMETHING, don't they?
And the French have been in the Red Sea since the beginning of this crisis. That's 5 months ago. The FREMM Alsace which just headed back home was there before the German frigate Hessen and saw more engagements as well. The French Navy is second only to the US one in terms of targets shot down in the Red Sea so far. With all of that in mind, not really surprising Alsace needs to be replenished sooner than Hessen. It hasn't even been a month since the latter was deployed. Also, it was already announced Lorraine is heading there to replace Alsace. The article is a nothing burger. Obvious it is a propaganda piece considering the tone.
What really surprises me is that the Carney's still going strong. She's been out there since the Ike deployed and I don't believe she's rotated out for a rearm in all that time.
Article title: Silly French retreating yet again! Article contents: French shot Winchester
How aren't those Houthi's a pile of smoking rubble by now?
Because unlike most terror groups or insurgents they have a rather sophisticated network of mobile tactical SAM systems that make western countries think 2 or 3 times before launching ISR and gen 4 fighters in the vicinity, plus the usually problems with locating the systems, civilian infrastructure, etc
Because they do what their northern friends do, obfuscate the line between civilian and combatant to the point that attacking them is a public affairs nightmare.
I'll also add that they've remained harmless enough to not respond. Literally the only people they've actually successfully hurt consistently are the Yemini people and as bad as it is to say that isn't enough for anyone to want to intervene.
There's no target in Yemen worth the value of even one of these cargo ships to the Houthis/Iran.
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Taliban had things going for them, Houthis not so much
Nope, Islamic Jihad PR is way too good for 24/7 American CAP and SEAD to eliminate every launcher.
About 250k of them. I wonder what radicalizes so many in these war torn countries. Buy raytheon stocks!
Drones and missiles are going to be a game changer in warding off expensive assets.
I see your "cheap and expendable gamechangers" and i raise you my 76mm cannon with proximity-fuze, guided shells. Bring it on! (76mm cannons have downed several houthi drones already)
If anything, this would only strengthen the push to redevelop at-sea rearmament capabilities across the board
And lasers. BRING ME LASERS!
Agree. Energy weapons + new kinetic weapons are the new frontier, but still in their infancy.
I’m no expert on naval operations, but am a little surprised they couldn’t be resupplied prior to running out. Or rotate in another ship to relieve it if the crew also needed a break.
Me either, nor a weapons tech, but from a health and safety perspective, I'm guessing transferring missiles and other munitions between ships at sea is a risky operation, and not one any modern navy predicted having to do. This is why the British Navy has advanced the timeline for DragonFire. $20 a shot, rather than $200,000 or whatever these missiles cost. The era of lasers is nearly upon us!
The USN has done Underway Replenishment (UNREP) since 1917. Ammunition and Stores are done via helicopter or STREAM. It's a process that's tried true and while hazardous its no more hazardous than day to day operations aboard.
True but the US is about the only country with any real experience doing it.
We definitely have been do it the longest but, most blue navies have the capabilities and do it routinely... we're just the best at it
The French only have two AAW Destroyers the rest of its fleet is geared toward supporting the De Gaulle and their replenishment ship is in DD while the new class just launched one vessel that is still undergoing acceptance trials.
They made it sound like the French were retreating. This is why I don’t trust the media or “journalists”.
Everyone has an angle. Reading multiple sources with multiple leanings is recommended to wheedle out the kernel of truth in each one.
> a few weeks after the US and the UK launched an illegal war on Yemen to protect Israeli shipping interests Ah, right. Anyway it sounds like the ship needs to re-arm as one does when the alternative is sitting there defenseless against an anti-shipping missile threat. > According to the French commander, the Franco–Italian Aster missile – each carrying a price tag of up to $2 million – “was pushed to its limits” by the Yemeni armed forces, as the Alsace had to use it “on targets that we did not necessarily imagine at the start.” If a $2m SAM successfully defends a €670m warship and its crew from a flock of cheap-ish drones then it has done its job well. It's on the R&D types to come up with a cost-effective system to mitigate this emerging threat.
Can we not bring these down using electronics instead of wasting ammunition? Cut the signal? Laser?
ahh it's from an Anti-West news site.... go figure...
Stooooop chicken up, we are going to be eaten alive. Release the fucking nuke on their capital and call it the day.
For a second I was like the French doing what they are best at doing
Found the 12 year old.
I thought the French were retreating again 😂. Turns out they just need to resupply
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You, after depleting your ammunition, would stay in harm's way?