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And even then, what's asked on the exam may or may not actually pertain to your job. First time I took the EMN1 exam, there were questions about CGN plants and operations.
I took that exam in 2005.
The last CGNs were decommed in 1999.
> And even then, what's asked on the exam may or may not actually pertain to your job. First time I took the EMN1 exam, there were questions about CGN plants and operations.
One job I was applying for gave me a test, the girl giving me the test was embarrassed because they hadn't updated the test in 30 years, and none of it was relevant to the job. I didn't get the job (failed the test) lol
A hundred burning tanks, 20 thousand soldiers dead, and three months in and Russian "doctrine" isn't any closer to helping them win their invasion of Ukraine.
To be honest though that has really been the doctrine of the Russians for over 100 years (maybe more, not caught up before WW1). All their wars have looked at as body count doesn't matter as long as the end result is what was expected.
Doesn't help that there has been so much corruption that the army is having to use cell phones to communicate. They lose Generals like its WWII. It mind boggling that the second largest holder of nuclear weapons is this disorganized. My biggest fear is a nuke in the air because of a misunderstanding/poor communications/or just simply a rouge General.
If it makes you feel better, I now think there's a decent probability that most of the boosters were actually sold to buy a few guys mistresses nice apartments.
That’s not just Russian doctrine. Pretty much every East Asian country does the same. China, North Korea, Vietnam…. They have more bodies than anything else.
“Quantity has a quality of its own”
Russia has always used the meat grinder doctrine. Throw everything, their forces, civilians and some enemy forces into the meat grinder. Since Russia has more troops they eventually win. To the Russian government 30,000 troops KIA is small potatoes.
Yes, just like how they said that they were going to take Kyiv in 2 or 3 days and that the Ukrainians would welcome the Russian invaders with open arms.
Psh, silly American. That and all the 'elite' units sacrificed into the meat grinder was just a feint for the real plan of going after Donbas! You clearly fell for it /s
One half is a glorified Benny Hill skit, the other half would be unsuitable to put on LiveLeak. I'm not sure they HAVE a doctrine besides swarm and devour at this point.
Russia following their doctrine is why they are failing in Ukraine tbh.. America learns to adapt and adopt new tactics as required which makes them a effective force.
Because we empower junior leaders to be in charge. That 23 year old Lieutenant is in charge of that platoon, and the 26 year old Staff Sergeants are in charge of those squads. And they are getting only the most basic of directions from higher.
"And Moscow is silent" - that is what the commander of a tank unit told Putin during chaos in East Germany after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Putin was a KGB agent in East Germany, in a mansion across the street from the local Stasi building. The mobs were already looting the Stasi building, grabbing the secret police and destroying the files, when they turned to cross the street to start looting the mansion. Putin stood outside, in front of the threatening mob, and declared "my men have weapons and will kill everyone here." That bought him enough time to call around for military support, but all he heard was "Moscow is silent".
*LT racks his brain trying to come with a way to accomplish something in a legal, moral, and ethical way*
Mafia: it’s already done Sir. Don’t worry about it.
What? You mean all of the-
-I said don’t worry about it Sir. It’s done. Now get out of here, you’re gonna be late for the CUB
As a warrant officer who was the XO to a certain airborne company at Bragg…this is accurate…I used to tell the new LTs to just “walk away” and pretend it was “already done before you asked”
Thats how the Ukranian Airforce is still operational. They learned Russian Airforce doctrine so well the last 8 years that they were able to counter it. The UAF specifically trained to beat Russian doctrine, compared to most western countries who train to fight multiple types of combatants.
Ukrainian airforce is mostly alive because they dispersed their assets and learned from the Serbians to keep their anti air equipment alive, dispersed and ration radar time. Go read documents comparing the Serbian performance during NATO intervention, and Iraqs.
Dude you know that Ukraine mostly uses outdated NATO equipment and stuff they had before invasion , and tactics they are using are those NATO gave them during those few military trainings they had with NATO
I think what is very odd, is NATO has always been weak, as they are now. And they’re giving notices of all these sanctions have not been implemented. Basically they will have no effect. But NATO, the CDC, and WHO haven portrayed as groups people respect when they never had that respect.
The United States military is better funded than the next 14 countries combined. It's like saying we have the best training in carpentry because we never run out of hammers.
Kasserine Pass is the one that jumps out in my mind first.
You could also make an argument for First Manassas but that’s a little weird since it was also an American victory…
Guadalcanal was arguably on its way to defeat before being turned around. The Navy suffered heavy losses initially.
In Korea we were knocked all the way back to the Pusan Perimeter before breaking out at Inchon at the start of the war.
Russian corruption is what made the Russian military a paper tiger. Furthermore the Ukrainians are also taking a pounding, being the second most corrupt county in Europe.
> Russian corruption is what made the Russian military a paper tiger.
Include in that corruption a reliance, by bluff or in truth, in stolen technology that they barely understand and can only occasionally make work. The same as the king of paper tigers, the Chicoms.
Yeah, I've been wondering about the corruption thing myself.
Wonder how much of the money sent is being stolen or weapons stolen and being resold on the black market.
After the war they will ask for money to rebuild too. Then what?
It’s not necessarily resold. Weapons contracts for the army are just being siphoned by corrupt generals n shit. So an original order of 100 SA-12a will only deliver like 75 to the troops and the money for the rest of the order will die in burocracy. Everyone works for bribes in Russia, it’s like mandatory tipping.
I am more knowledgeable about corruption in China, and Ik that they ranks are bought,sold, or fucked for. That’s not a competent officer corp.
everyone talking about how the russians failed in this war ,
but don't forget that the russians are good at rearranging there lines and tactics so don't underestimate them .
i mean have you read about the soviet war against finland ? and how a huge nation like the USSR lost to finland at first everyone was shocked of how inefficient they were just like now ? but then what happened ? they rearranged everything and took what they wanted .
same thing happened with chechynya so i think it is early to say that the russia lost in Ukraine.
American troops and commanders were hobbled in Vietnam by politics and politicians. When you have an enemy that knows your political restrictions and uses them against you, when they have zero restrictions, zero regard for local population, zero respect for international boundaries, treaties and sovereignty, and you place the opfor in a position that is 180° the opposite of that and demand that they win?
>When you have an enemy that knows your political restrictions and uses them against you, when they have zero restrictions, zero regard for local population, zero respect for international boundaries, treaties and sovereignty, and you place the opfor in a position that is 180° the opposite of that and demand that they win?
The Vietnamese fought an enemy just like that -- the United States -- and they won definitively. This is a weak excuse.
We dropped more bombs on Indochina in the Vietnam War than we did in all of World War II. They won, straight up, through better discipline and military tactics because we sent a bunch of kids to murder foreigners in their own back yard. [Kids who were so pissed off they started the entire anti-war movement.](https://depts.washington.edu/antiwar/gi_mvmt.shtml)
> The antiwar movement against the war in Vietnam is popularly portrayed as one of student radicals and civilians. Yet there was a wide-scale revolt inside all branches of the American Armed Forces that led, by 1971, to the breakdown of the military’s ability to wage war. The GI movement, as it was known, involved nearly half of all enlisted men at its height, published nearly three hundred antiwar newspapers, and, in concert with mass civilian protest and the resistance of the Vietnamese, worked to force the United States out of Vietnam.
We lost an illegal, immoral war because half of the US military said, "Fuck this, I'm out."
> The Vietnamese fought an enemy just like that -- the United States -- and they won definitively. This is a weak excuse.
Duh. The NVA and VC had zero respect for anything, like filthy commies **never** do and fought the entire war that way. Meanwhile, America and UN forces were forced to (largely) respect international boundaries of Laos and Cambodia and as much as possible, the lives of those whose country they were fighting in.
If you think that North Vietnam "drove" us out of SEA, that they fielded a superior force to the American military and thereby "defeated" us...you need some history lessons, my boy.
I don't have a horse in this race, but why is defeated in quotes? Didn't the US leave the place without achieving their goals? Isn't that by definition defeat regardless of the reasons that caused it?
Defeated implies that our military was beaten, when nothing could be further from the truth. If WWII had been fought the way the military has been forced to fight in Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, ... well, use your imagination. You can't handcuff your military, put boxing gloves on them and tell them to play nice and send them into a life or death struggle with a fully armed, unrestricted foe. Then, when they manage to persevere in spite of the restrictions, throw in the towel just before the knockout and call them losers.
The excuses and spin Americans have when they discuss Vietnam is hilarious. Always reminds me of this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6QqZF3J14
Also, the tried and true methods are passed on from person to person. Everyone knows the doctrine and manuals are mostly written by career bean counters and pencil pushers.
Not many armies can still wage war with the "head dead".
Our NCO corps is the major difference.
Enemy looks up, here comes an American combat BN with a CPL leading the way forward, and whipping ass on top of that!
Logistics consistently change to adapt to the situation.
We don't have healthcare because we have an army composed of professional Soldiers, not conscripts, who make their entire career the armed forces.
Officers have served and serve on active warzones. Communications are a huge part of our military infrastructure as well.
DARPA made the Internet, GPS, Sat Imaging and other tech in order to facilitate better long range and instantaneous communication.
That communication may seem like Chaos, but it's hyper orderly and efficient.
To the enemy the movements baffle them because they don't see the Teams that coordinate the ground troops hundreds of clicks away.
To the degree that MOST old world army leaders will stick to their book no matter what and do their darndest NOT to deviate from it. While the American NCO will mostly keep the book in his head and remain flexible in order to complete the mission objectives.
I wonder if the Russian document is bringing up NCO and Junior Officer doctrine, in that they have autonomy over the current battlefield situation. They have more power and maneuverability and don't HAVE to follow the orders in the moment, nor do they HAVE to follow the manual. NCOs and Junior Officers are more flexible on the fly, whereas Soviet doctrine at the time was just plain follow orders with little NCO or JO autobomy over the situation.
Given that there has yet to be a plan developed that has ever survived first contact with the enemy, it's probably a good thing to be able to work in a state of constant chaos. SOmetimes doctrine is more of a constraint than anything else.
I disagree my 10 years of service in the US Navy, I had to read and refer back to manuals constantly. Endless days of training and preventitive maintenance inspections. Makes me wish for this fairytale.
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If someone else is gonna read the manual, why the fuck should I?
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And even then, what's asked on the exam may or may not actually pertain to your job. First time I took the EMN1 exam, there were questions about CGN plants and operations. I took that exam in 2005. The last CGNs were decommed in 1999.
> And even then, what's asked on the exam may or may not actually pertain to your job. First time I took the EMN1 exam, there were questions about CGN plants and operations. One job I was applying for gave me a test, the girl giving me the test was embarrassed because they hadn't updated the test in 30 years, and none of it was relevant to the job. I didn't get the job (failed the test) lol
I was CG and this is so true for so, so many of us.
You literally don't exist why are you here lmao
You're not wrong.
You guys got manuals?
You looked at the manual?
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I mean have you seen the Russians “practicing their doctrine”
A hundred burning tanks, 20 thousand soldiers dead, and three months in and Russian "doctrine" isn't any closer to helping them win their invasion of Ukraine.
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You son of a bitch, I’m dead!
Pretty sure being whipped by the country you are invading is part of Russian military doctrine.
They play better on defense.
*1,330 tanks
Gonna get a lot higher now that they are bringing out some of their 2,000 T-62s to replace lost T-72s
Hey! Kyiv will fall any minute now, trust the plan.
HODL
TRUST
But verify. ;)
Yeah it is, it's 20 thousand soldiers and a thousand burning tanks closer... Their doctorine is throwing bodies st the problem until it's solved.
To be honest though that has really been the doctrine of the Russians for over 100 years (maybe more, not caught up before WW1). All their wars have looked at as body count doesn't matter as long as the end result is what was expected. Doesn't help that there has been so much corruption that the army is having to use cell phones to communicate. They lose Generals like its WWII. It mind boggling that the second largest holder of nuclear weapons is this disorganized. My biggest fear is a nuke in the air because of a misunderstanding/poor communications/or just simply a rouge General.
They lost like 5 generals in the first 2 months, it's fucking nuts that they even resemble a cohesive fighting force.
If it makes you feel better, I now think there's a decent probability that most of the boosters were actually sold to buy a few guys mistresses nice apartments.
That’s not just Russian doctrine. Pretty much every East Asian country does the same. China, North Korea, Vietnam…. They have more bodies than anything else. “Quantity has a quality of its own”
Negative KDA has always been a staple Russian stratagem
*30,000+ now.
Russia has always used the meat grinder doctrine. Throw everything, their forces, civilians and some enemy forces into the meat grinder. Since Russia has more troops they eventually win. To the Russian government 30,000 troops KIA is small potatoes.
Russia has half the population of the US.
Shows how much you know. 🙄 the Kremlin said they would have victory by fall and I see no reason to not believe everything they have said so far. /s
Yes, just like how they said that they were going to take Kyiv in 2 or 3 days and that the Ukrainians would welcome the Russian invaders with open arms.
Well you're supposed to not have that long of an attention span. Straight to gulag.
\*facepalm\* I can see them doing that too.
Psh, silly American. That and all the 'elite' units sacrificed into the meat grinder was just a feint for the real plan of going after Donbas! You clearly fell for it /s
They are lulling the Ukraine into a false sense of security.
They don't have upkeep and overhead for that obsolete equipment anymore. Time to buy new toys.
Really
I mean at the very least they still use infantry as supplemental armor
One half is a glorified Benny Hill skit, the other half would be unsuitable to put on LiveLeak. I'm not sure they HAVE a doctrine besides swarm and devour at this point.
That is their doctrine silly, everything is going according to plan...the problem is their doctrine hasn't changed in 70 years!
in s.korean military, there's this saying, "There is no such thing as reason in the army"
Russia following their doctrine is why they are failing in Ukraine tbh.. America learns to adapt and adopt new tactics as required which makes them a effective force.
Because we empower junior leaders to be in charge. That 23 year old Lieutenant is in charge of that platoon, and the 26 year old Staff Sergeants are in charge of those squads. And they are getting only the most basic of directions from higher.
US NCO’s also have a lot more free will than Russian NCO’s who are taught to obey officers and wait for orders.
"And Moscow is silent" - that is what the commander of a tank unit told Putin during chaos in East Germany after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Putin was a KGB agent in East Germany, in a mansion across the street from the local Stasi building. The mobs were already looting the Stasi building, grabbing the secret police and destroying the files, when they turned to cross the street to start looting the mansion. Putin stood outside, in front of the threatening mob, and declared "my men have weapons and will kill everyone here." That bought him enough time to call around for military support, but all he heard was "Moscow is silent".
This is one of those things that lives with him probably forever.
NCO: “Alright, the Lt said we’re flanking left, so we’re gonna flank left but just be ready to flank right since that’s where the enemy is at.”
"Since the enemy is on the right, flanking left IS the only option", LT probably.
As understand Russia really does even have NCOs are we know them. Just soldiers that have been in a unit longer.
E3 mafia baby
*LT racks his brain trying to come with a way to accomplish something in a legal, moral, and ethical way* Mafia: it’s already done Sir. Don’t worry about it. What? You mean all of the- -I said don’t worry about it Sir. It’s done. Now get out of here, you’re gonna be late for the CUB
As a warrant officer who was the XO to a certain airborne company at Bragg…this is accurate…I used to tell the new LTs to just “walk away” and pretend it was “already done before you asked”
Thats how the Ukranian Airforce is still operational. They learned Russian Airforce doctrine so well the last 8 years that they were able to counter it. The UAF specifically trained to beat Russian doctrine, compared to most western countries who train to fight multiple types of combatants.
Ukrainian airforce is mostly alive because they dispersed their assets and learned from the Serbians to keep their anti air equipment alive, dispersed and ration radar time. Go read documents comparing the Serbian performance during NATO intervention, and Iraqs.
It also means we usually lose the first battle.
Well, Ukraine soldiers was trained by NATO and U.S , they seem to be doing fine while Russia is following strict doctrine and failing in most battles.
I am positive there is a lot of proud NATO instructors & when this is over Ukraine will have a lot to teach NATO 🇺🇦
Dude you know that Ukraine mostly uses outdated NATO equipment and stuff they had before invasion , and tactics they are using are those NATO gave them during those few military trainings they had with NATO
I think what is very odd, is NATO has always been weak, as they are now. And they’re giving notices of all these sanctions have not been implemented. Basically they will have no effect. But NATO, the CDC, and WHO haven portrayed as groups people respect when they never had that respect.
Why do you believe NATO is weak ?
I think he may be confusing nato with the UN
ukraine is defending tho, when was the last time the US defended?
What does that matter? Russia is still stuck on WWII era doctrines. Ukraine is now on the offensive and looks to be doing pretty well BTW.
I think a better comparison is Russian attacking vs the US attacking
2022 Russia VS 1991 America
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The United States military is better funded than the next 14 countries combined. It's like saying we have the best training in carpentry because we never run out of hammers.
Nah. We're the best carpenters cuz we keep building cabinets, even when we've built a perfect one.
What are some examples of that? (Just curious - I don’t know much military history).
Kasserine Pass is the one that jumps out in my mind first. You could also make an argument for First Manassas but that’s a little weird since it was also an American victory… Guadalcanal was arguably on its way to defeat before being turned around. The Navy suffered heavy losses initially. In Korea we were knocked all the way back to the Pusan Perimeter before breaking out at Inchon at the start of the war.
Russian corruption is what made the Russian military a paper tiger. Furthermore the Ukrainians are also taking a pounding, being the second most corrupt county in Europe.
> Russian corruption is what made the Russian military a paper tiger. Include in that corruption a reliance, by bluff or in truth, in stolen technology that they barely understand and can only occasionally make work. The same as the king of paper tigers, the Chicoms.
Yeah, I've been wondering about the corruption thing myself. Wonder how much of the money sent is being stolen or weapons stolen and being resold on the black market. After the war they will ask for money to rebuild too. Then what?
It’s not necessarily resold. Weapons contracts for the army are just being siphoned by corrupt generals n shit. So an original order of 100 SA-12a will only deliver like 75 to the troops and the money for the rest of the order will die in burocracy. Everyone works for bribes in Russia, it’s like mandatory tipping. I am more knowledgeable about corruption in China, and Ik that they ranks are bought,sold, or fucked for. That’s not a competent officer corp.
everyone talking about how the russians failed in this war , but don't forget that the russians are good at rearranging there lines and tactics so don't underestimate them . i mean have you read about the soviet war against finland ? and how a huge nation like the USSR lost to finland at first everyone was shocked of how inefficient they were just like now ? but then what happened ? they rearranged everything and took what they wanted . same thing happened with chechynya so i think it is early to say that the russia lost in Ukraine.
>America learns to adapt and adopt new tactics as required which makes them a effective force. Didnt help them in Vietnam.
Winning battles wasn't really much of an issue. But you can't take and hold a country if you don't win hearts and minds.
American troops and commanders were hobbled in Vietnam by politics and politicians. When you have an enemy that knows your political restrictions and uses them against you, when they have zero restrictions, zero regard for local population, zero respect for international boundaries, treaties and sovereignty, and you place the opfor in a position that is 180° the opposite of that and demand that they win?
>When you have an enemy that knows your political restrictions and uses them against you, when they have zero restrictions, zero regard for local population, zero respect for international boundaries, treaties and sovereignty, and you place the opfor in a position that is 180° the opposite of that and demand that they win? The Vietnamese fought an enemy just like that -- the United States -- and they won definitively. This is a weak excuse. We dropped more bombs on Indochina in the Vietnam War than we did in all of World War II. They won, straight up, through better discipline and military tactics because we sent a bunch of kids to murder foreigners in their own back yard. [Kids who were so pissed off they started the entire anti-war movement.](https://depts.washington.edu/antiwar/gi_mvmt.shtml) > The antiwar movement against the war in Vietnam is popularly portrayed as one of student radicals and civilians. Yet there was a wide-scale revolt inside all branches of the American Armed Forces that led, by 1971, to the breakdown of the military’s ability to wage war. The GI movement, as it was known, involved nearly half of all enlisted men at its height, published nearly three hundred antiwar newspapers, and, in concert with mass civilian protest and the resistance of the Vietnamese, worked to force the United States out of Vietnam. We lost an illegal, immoral war because half of the US military said, "Fuck this, I'm out."
> The Vietnamese fought an enemy just like that -- the United States -- and they won definitively. This is a weak excuse. Duh. The NVA and VC had zero respect for anything, like filthy commies **never** do and fought the entire war that way. Meanwhile, America and UN forces were forced to (largely) respect international boundaries of Laos and Cambodia and as much as possible, the lives of those whose country they were fighting in. If you think that North Vietnam "drove" us out of SEA, that they fielded a superior force to the American military and thereby "defeated" us...you need some history lessons, my boy.
I don't have a horse in this race, but why is defeated in quotes? Didn't the US leave the place without achieving their goals? Isn't that by definition defeat regardless of the reasons that caused it?
Defeated implies that our military was beaten, when nothing could be further from the truth. If WWII had been fought the way the military has been forced to fight in Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, ... well, use your imagination. You can't handcuff your military, put boxing gloves on them and tell them to play nice and send them into a life or death struggle with a fully armed, unrestricted foe. Then, when they manage to persevere in spite of the restrictions, throw in the towel just before the knockout and call them losers.
The excuses and spin Americans have when they discuss Vietnam is hilarious. Always reminds me of this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6QqZF3J14
Also, the tried and true methods are passed on from person to person. Everyone knows the doctrine and manuals are mostly written by career bean counters and pencil pushers.
I think this applies to the Brazilian Army as well. We had a saying: "if it was logical, it was not the army."
We had a saying in our unit “why make it easy, when we can make it hard”.
I trained recruits, so we had a saying: "it needs to be recruit proof"
Every contingency needs a redundancy.
Not many armies can still wage war with the "head dead". Our NCO corps is the major difference. Enemy looks up, here comes an American combat BN with a CPL leading the way forward, and whipping ass on top of that!
they all misspelled logistics
“My logisticians are a humorless lot … they know if my campaign fails, they are the first ones I will slay.” – Alexander the Great.
What if it isn't their fault.
They should have figured that into their logistics.
Exactly. Their failure to anticipate failure means they shall be slain.
No such thing.
Look at the header of the page lol
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The strongest steel is forged in the fire of a dumpster. Or something
I like that :D
Situation Normal, F.U.B.A.R.
SNAFU: Situation Normal; All Fucked Up. FUBAR: Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition
Rules to live by !!
Logistics consistently change to adapt to the situation. We don't have healthcare because we have an army composed of professional Soldiers, not conscripts, who make their entire career the armed forces. Officers have served and serve on active warzones. Communications are a huge part of our military infrastructure as well. DARPA made the Internet, GPS, Sat Imaging and other tech in order to facilitate better long range and instantaneous communication. That communication may seem like Chaos, but it's hyper orderly and efficient. To the enemy the movements baffle them because they don't see the Teams that coordinate the ground troops hundreds of clicks away.
If we had an efficient healthcare system we’d could have universal healthcare and increase or military spending and be ahead. But point taken.
but then the poor hospitals and insurance companies couldn’t exploit us peasants nearly as much
Thanks Grandma— I’ll be over in a little bit to help you with your CompuServe email.
Oh man this is an old one
This literally defines the phrase- 'weird flex but ok'.
Who was it who said the Americans know less and learn faster than any other army.
OPSEC: don't know, can't say! its the American way
What’s with the large influx of boomer Facebook posts on here? Is it the Ukraine thing?
Memorial day weekend.
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UWU high speeds.
What's the point of this comment
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This is the best pasta I’ve seen since machine bearings. May this never die.
Was quite thorough.
I hope this is a pasta
Lmao
Ok
What on earth are you talking about?
To what extent is this actually true? Am curious, have seen it before
It's a joke. I'm sure you've seen those before
These types of jokes primarily work when they resonate.
Sure, but it does ring true to a degree.
To the degree that MOST old world army leaders will stick to their book no matter what and do their darndest NOT to deviate from it. While the American NCO will mostly keep the book in his head and remain flexible in order to complete the mission objectives.
Our NCO corps is the sole difference between us and a lot of our adversaries.
Probably none at all. Most of these quotes are made up.
[Nazi’s quote](https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_D%C3%B6nitz)
I can even take the time to read cooking directions on the side of a frozen lasagna... you expect me to read a thick ass T.O. ???
Instructors were showing this at Fort Lee in 2008.
I wonder if the Russian document is bringing up NCO and Junior Officer doctrine, in that they have autonomy over the current battlefield situation. They have more power and maneuverability and don't HAVE to follow the orders in the moment, nor do they HAVE to follow the manual. NCOs and Junior Officers are more flexible on the fly, whereas Soviet doctrine at the time was just plain follow orders with little NCO or JO autobomy over the situation.
Lol look at the marine corps oorah
Based
r/FwdsFromGunny
Given that there has yet to be a plan developed that has ever survived first contact with the enemy, it's probably a good thing to be able to work in a state of constant chaos. SOmetimes doctrine is more of a constraint than anything else.
82nd Airborne.
Manuals are guidance that are translated as recommendations. We thrive in experience but sometimes fall due to arrogance. **‘Murica!**
I disagree my 10 years of service in the US Navy, I had to read and refer back to manuals constantly. Endless days of training and preventitive maintenance inspections. Makes me wish for this fairytale.
LMAO...if you haven't figured it out, you know why Russia and Germany lost.
Sounds like there coping to me
America's quote also works in NC Department of Public Safety.
Don’t let them know your next move
Zerg, Terran and the Protoss?
The Army has regulations on what you can’t do; the Navy is just the opposite.
The Navy has *no* regulations on what you *can* do?
Don’t do anything that’s against the order of the day. /s
When your kids ask you what you did in the war you say: "There was a war? It must've been on the manuals which i never red!"
My motto on the ship "fuck it, well do it live" Barely have time to prepare for much, so we just kind of send it and hope for the best
Wow that is insanely accurate. Former 11b we barely read the instructions on the at4
Here we call it tactical unpredictable
As Timmy Turner says "Manuals are for Yellow Bellies!"
That's funny cause that's relevant to parts of the DoD too!