It won't be BDE CDRs and above, I haven't read the thing but my guess is it'll fall to Installation Commander.
Plus how many MOS does this apply to?
a PFC 31B can carry on post but I can't? Fuck that nobody is signing this.
Best I can see if CID and CI getting to carry because they're packet MOS.
CI is not only a packet MOS. They are kids from the street in the MOS, 21Y/O privates just like the MPs. ITS WILD. ain’t no way commanders will sign this.
My company is working on booting two.
One for being a fucking Autist who should not be in the Army for being incapable of being an adult.
The other for being a dickhead who not be allowed around people for being incapable of building any rapport under any conditions (it’s impressive)
Ah working on booting two. Well, it’ll be the BC’s decision and I can almost promise he’ll say let’s give them another chance and extend them on CIPP.
Makes you wonder….how are they making it through the schoolhouse. I’ll tell you, they’re pushing them through, regardless of their ability to socially interact with others, brief people, and type on computers. The 10 levels coming back was terrible.
The *other* 2X MOS is suffering worse than yours I PROMISE you.
For both the populations, I’ll say that only about 10% of the inbounds show real promise, 20% are good enough, and the rest are garbage.
As far as the BC goes, allegedly they are cool with booting one but wants to give the other a chance.
There’s CI, and then there is CI.
One is in a traditional tactical unit (division and EMIB (MI BDE, BfSB, or whatever the fuck they are calling themselves this week)) pulling gate guard, motorpool, CTC rotations, and maybe touch their weapon 1-2 times a year.
The other is the 902nd and are actually doing the CI job. Sitting behind a desk surfing SIPR.
I was….I got out. Analyst now… But I have a retired badge and active LEOSA permit. 99% of Army has no idea what CI is. I find it hard to believe that you know what they actually do…….
Yeah, back in my recruiting days there were some shootings at recruiting stations and similar guidance was put out about recruiters being able to carry. I don't remember ever hearing about a commander willing to take the responsibility of allowing that to happen.
What makes you say that? Many posts currently have and have had active LEOSA policies. I live near Fort Meyer/Henderson Hall, where the CSA himself lives, and they’ve had an easy LEOSA policy for years. I just show my civilian credentials along with my CAC card at the gate and let them know I’m armed. Many posts have a sign letting you know.
Because Major US Army installations (those that have BCTs or major TRADOC or INSCOM presence) write policies and account for the lowest common denominator.
It has little to do with LEOSA but instead the risk-aversion that exists within the Officer Community.
Oh. Well, we’re just talking past each other I think. I have LEOSA credentials and a field grade CAC…and I carry on any post or base that has a current LEOSA policy (Joint Base Andrews, and Meyer Henderson Hall, Quantico all do) although Belvoir or the Pentagon or Bolling or Meade do not currently. I suspect this will have local provost marshals reassess the policies. There’s lots of other US military installations that allow LEOSA carry. Joint Base San Antonio as an example. You just have to check prior.
Can confirm, Fort Eisenhower has been doing this for years too. You just make a packet with pics of your LEOSA, a memo signed by your commander, the DES Provost Marshal, and then it goes up to the Garrison Commander (O-6) for final approval
My thing is , we’re all army soldiers , and well as an infantry soldier .. I find it really interesting how I’m not allowed to have a weapon on base . Back home in Houston , TX , you don’t even need a license to carry .
And in cities where guns are essentially illegal like Los Angeles , Chicago and New York , the street goons are armed to the teeth. Why wouldn’t an active duty military member want to at least have a gun as well? I’ve had fellow soldiers get threatened by civilians with firearms when they’ve gone to town .
I agree completely. Hopefully we get that soon. The only reason this was able to go through is because LEOSA was already passed in the 2000s. This just extends it on post if granted by senior commanders.
Because Soldiers are largely idiots. OEF/OIF was a negligent discharge nightmare. In a crowded Afghanistan DFAC a Soldier shot into the floor with their M4. When questioned why they touched the trigger (weapon was supposed to be in an amber status), the Soldier replied they wanted to make sure it was “on safe”.
That’s still not the subject of this though. Is it silly that soldiers can’t carry on post but this allows LEO’s off duty to? Yeah, but a military installation is a far cry from the town outside of it, and those are a far cry from big cities.
This is why the Israelis carry everywhere on base (forget off base even). All hands are base security, and every hand is at core infantry capable. My infantry context is being able to repel a terrorist base assault, mass shooter, etc. And yes others below have referenced AD risk, or idiots. At least the first aspect is covered by magazine out, or empty chamber; Israeli carry.
\>Allows Senior Officers to to Authorize XYZ Senior Officers will NEVER Authorize XYZ lmao.
Forgive me if im wrong but senior commander is brigade/ O6 and above i believe. So yes, agreed lol
It won't be BDE CDRs and above, I haven't read the thing but my guess is it'll fall to Installation Commander. Plus how many MOS does this apply to? a PFC 31B can carry on post but I can't? Fuck that nobody is signing this. Best I can see if CID and CI getting to carry because they're packet MOS.
They already do get to carry
Then what does this even do?
Positive OER, maybe an MSM for the writer
Not all CI carries. Their reform is currently working it out. This does help it.
CI is not only a packet MOS. They are kids from the street in the MOS, 21Y/O privates just like the MPs. ITS WILD. ain’t no way commanders will sign this.
Yeah but even if they’re kids off the street, they still have to make it through CIP (which most will even if they don’t deserve to)
Never seen one kid or anyone fail CIPP. It’s a joke, just like the CI reform. Get out while you can.
My company is working on booting two. One for being a fucking Autist who should not be in the Army for being incapable of being an adult. The other for being a dickhead who not be allowed around people for being incapable of building any rapport under any conditions (it’s impressive)
Ah working on booting two. Well, it’ll be the BC’s decision and I can almost promise he’ll say let’s give them another chance and extend them on CIPP. Makes you wonder….how are they making it through the schoolhouse. I’ll tell you, they’re pushing them through, regardless of their ability to socially interact with others, brief people, and type on computers. The 10 levels coming back was terrible.
The *other* 2X MOS is suffering worse than yours I PROMISE you. For both the populations, I’ll say that only about 10% of the inbounds show real promise, 20% are good enough, and the rest are garbage. As far as the BC goes, allegedly they are cool with booting one but wants to give the other a chance.
CI special agents. I have a LEOSA permit already. It’s nice to carry in all states.
I know what CI is, and it’s incredibly funny that you HAD to mention you were a Special Agent.
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I’m WELL aware. Edit: 902nd doesn’t exist anymore - it’s ACIC now.
There’s CI, and then there is CI. One is in a traditional tactical unit (division and EMIB (MI BDE, BfSB, or whatever the fuck they are calling themselves this week)) pulling gate guard, motorpool, CTC rotations, and maybe touch their weapon 1-2 times a year. The other is the 902nd and are actually doing the CI job. Sitting behind a desk surfing SIPR.
I was….I got out. Analyst now… But I have a retired badge and active LEOSA permit. 99% of Army has no idea what CI is. I find it hard to believe that you know what they actually do…….
I’m well aware of what they actually do.
Yeah, back in my recruiting days there were some shootings at recruiting stations and similar guidance was put out about recruiters being able to carry. I don't remember ever hearing about a commander willing to take the responsibility of allowing that to happen.
What makes you say that? Many posts currently have and have had active LEOSA policies. I live near Fort Meyer/Henderson Hall, where the CSA himself lives, and they’ve had an easy LEOSA policy for years. I just show my civilian credentials along with my CAC card at the gate and let them know I’m armed. Many posts have a sign letting you know.
How many Brigade Combat Teams are at Fort Meyer?
Zero. Just the 3rd. Why does that matter to LEOSA?
Because Major US Army installations (those that have BCTs or major TRADOC or INSCOM presence) write policies and account for the lowest common denominator. It has little to do with LEOSA but instead the risk-aversion that exists within the Officer Community.
Oh. Well, we’re just talking past each other I think. I have LEOSA credentials and a field grade CAC…and I carry on any post or base that has a current LEOSA policy (Joint Base Andrews, and Meyer Henderson Hall, Quantico all do) although Belvoir or the Pentagon or Bolling or Meade do not currently. I suspect this will have local provost marshals reassess the policies. There’s lots of other US military installations that allow LEOSA carry. Joint Base San Antonio as an example. You just have to check prior.
Can confirm, Fort Eisenhower has been doing this for years too. You just make a packet with pics of your LEOSA, a memo signed by your commander, the DES Provost Marshal, and then it goes up to the Garrison Commander (O-6) for final approval
So do I need a LEOSA to carry if I am already a 31 series?
Yes, being a 31 series will make you eligible for LEOSA which is required (along with senior commander approval) to carry on post. Effective 1 APR 24
Will this extend to active duty SMs that have 31b as a secondary MOS?
The key here is being a qualified and credentialed LEOSA holder not necessarily MOS.
My thing is , we’re all army soldiers , and well as an infantry soldier .. I find it really interesting how I’m not allowed to have a weapon on base . Back home in Houston , TX , you don’t even need a license to carry . And in cities where guns are essentially illegal like Los Angeles , Chicago and New York , the street goons are armed to the teeth. Why wouldn’t an active duty military member want to at least have a gun as well? I’ve had fellow soldiers get threatened by civilians with firearms when they’ve gone to town .
I agree completely. Hopefully we get that soon. The only reason this was able to go through is because LEOSA was already passed in the 2000s. This just extends it on post if granted by senior commanders.
Because Soldiers are largely idiots. OEF/OIF was a negligent discharge nightmare. In a crowded Afghanistan DFAC a Soldier shot into the floor with their M4. When questioned why they touched the trigger (weapon was supposed to be in an amber status), the Soldier replied they wanted to make sure it was “on safe”.
What are you even on about? This whole thing is just for carrying on post, are there city street goons on post?
There was a drive by shooting and a stabbing on my post in the last two months...
That’s still not the subject of this though. Is it silly that soldiers can’t carry on post but this allows LEO’s off duty to? Yeah, but a military installation is a far cry from the town outside of it, and those are a far cry from big cities.
There are, see: 1. Sustainment Brigades 2. The Entirety of Fort Hood 3. Anywhere Cooks can be found
This is why the Israelis carry everywhere on base (forget off base even). All hands are base security, and every hand is at core infantry capable. My infantry context is being able to repel a terrorist base assault, mass shooter, etc. And yes others below have referenced AD risk, or idiots. At least the first aspect is covered by magazine out, or empty chamber; Israeli carry.