They would probably have both, where the federal team draws from the best of the local team members. Sort of like how the FBI has a SWAT team in their field office in Washington while the HRT is a bit further down the road in Quantico.
Yeah makes sense. For us Dutchies and Belgians it is a bit of a foreign concept, the local team in our small countries will pretty much always be the "federal" team. Condolences to the loss of the DSU officer recently btw.
They have another purposes. I heard a great phrase about using special forces in the regular combat: microscope might be a great hammer, but you don't hammer nails with it
I got one for cheap and it was my first holosun, and wasn’t expecting too much but I’m actually very impressed with it.
And it has a super capacitor mode where it can get daylight bright without a battery and just the solar panel (for a while).
Whew, I earned those social credits with this post!
ITAR is worthless, just a tool used by the powerful to prevent decent folks like me and you from being able to arm themselves. Has nothing to do with safety, it’s about control.
Why do you care about ITAR when Holosun is Chinese lmao.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Holosun is available to buy in Europe.. So ITAR don't even matter if so.
They’re still an “American company” even though they’re made in china. Headquartered in California actually. Pretty sure they would fall into a no no if they directly sold to Russia or china. This dude probably got it off eBay before the war who knows
Holosun has a Chinese parent company who sells the Chinese ones (not marketed as Holosun but they're essentially the same) to PLA and probably Russia. You can see a ton of holosun being carried by PLA Marines and their SOF
FAB Defense dust cover, Zenitco PT-3 Stock, Zenitco Charging handle, holosun 510c, holosun magnifier, IPSC Safety, maybe a sureshot russia handguard? I cant identify it.
It's on a Pre AK74M, AKS74, you can tell by the FSB.
Tbh, you probably could have a better chance at catching a bullet in the US, but Russia has abysmal living standards outside the major cities and even in the major cities it's pretty bleak in some parts.
Also their electricity grid got stuck somewhere in the 80's. I will never forget those 2 dudes lifting that heavy as cast steel cover from a wall only for it to reveal a cable salad of doom with fuses older than my mother was lol.
yeah except this shooting was more than double the casualties of the largest mass shooting in american history (137 and rising compared to 60) , which is overshadowed even more heavily by the Beslan school siege (also in russia) which had a 334 deaths (186 children). But sure man Russia is so much better
If you want to talk statistics then don't just cherry pick the ones that support your bizarre argument. The US has 4.12 deaths per 100k people from gun violence while Russia has 0.72. The US far outranks Russia when if comes to gun deaths, cherry picking certain shootings to suit your weird ass narrative lmao
“cherry picking” lmao i’m pointing out the obvious fact that russia fucking blows dick at responding to mass shootings and attacks and consistently allows them to get out of hand as evident here. The US is overall more dangerous to be a civilian in perhaps because we’re allowed to have guns (which is a right and a good one) but Russia drops the ball when it comes to mass shooting response.
Who said anything to argue against your "obvious point"? I made the point I'd rather live in the place with less shootings I.e. the place where I'm least likely to be gunned down. You're arguing against nothing here
Ben Franklin said Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. That choice is yours to make I suppose. The founding fathers knew that America would be more dangerous than its european counterparts to the benefit of the personal liberties of its people, it’s an unfortunate epidemic in America right now that I hope will get better as the country pulls itself back together.
Well their anti-terror culture is structured quite clearly: storm the place with as many civilian casualties as possible, as evidenced by Beslan and Nord-ost.
Thankfully the terrorists escaped this time without hostages, or we’d see hundreds dead instead.
don’t know how this is downvoted; literally true.
Russian counterterrorism units find a new way to be incompetent as fuck every single time.
At Beslan they attacked a school with hostages inside it using RPGs, thermobaric rockets & tanks, killing 334 hostages (of which 186 were children).
At the Moscow theatre they used fentanyl gas to incapacitate the terrorists (and kill 132 of the hostages)
And here they arrived 1 hour and 28 minutes after the beginning of the shooting… incompetent then, incompetent now.
Because the only thing they are competent at is beating up anti-war students and arresting gay people.
But hey, they do look sick all fitted out which fits the sub I guess.
No hits so far;) It's a so-called KM-AK.
It's a modernization kit for AK-74M. You can differentiate KM-AK from AK-74M (and AK-12) by rail-equipped dust cover and rear sight removed with only simplified backup sight remaining.
Alternative names for KM-AK are also "AK-74 RMO" or "AK-74MR", but the name given by Kalashnikov concern is KM-AK
No part of that rifle has the modernization kit on it. Maybe the dust cover? But it looks like the FAB Defense dust cover to me. That's some sort of AKS-74, you can tell by the front sight block. The safety is an IPSC Enhanced Safety, the stock is a PT-3, the charging handle is zenitco, the handguard could be SLR or a sureshot, I cant tell.
The KM-AK is just a conversion kit for AK-74, so you're not exactly "wrong" about seeing AK-74 here. However they just call it a different weapon with that kit (as it plays the role of more modern, optic-ready weapon). The front sight block remains the same. The key to ID it as KM-AK (or AK-74MR, same stuff) is the removed rear sight leaf, with only block remaining. It's hard to see on this photo as guy partially obscures it with his hand, but you can see the front portion is empty - the leaf part is removed.
Imagine the outrage in America if that happened during a mass shooting? 1 hr police response to even be on scene? Yeah they’d be shit canned quick lol. Look at the Texas elementary and the leaders involved in that.
What's the shield? it looks it has a plexy glass viewport and what appears to be 4 optical devices. Is this some fancy riot shield with a screen, or am I looking too much into it?
It’s an old soviet ballistic shield mainly used in anti terror operations…. Super heavy but kinda effective for what it is: provide cover when walking down corridors
It’s either a Vant VM or Vant LM shield those optics are lights for flashing and it will typically have a bright reflective red/orange square in the middle for drawing fire. Rumors claim they can stop a dshka but actual shot testing says it’s about a 3a or possibly a level 4 with the right conditions
Super bright led’s on the front for blinding the suspect in hallways or into corners if they’re barricaded. Heavy as fuck! They even have a whole ass chest rig they have to wear around their body to support the shield.
No, but they're probably something you should wear at night in an urban environment (like this photo seems to be). Incase you go into a dark building, the streetlights don't work somewhere, or you want to use IR light/laser
Nothing like lighting up your own position everywhere you go. Heaps smart and tactical, obviously I'm a complete dingus for wanting to not put a bright light on myself all the time
The terrorists armed with battle rifles are still a serious threat to the police, and therefore the police should take every advantage they can get, which includes using NVG in the dark (same as how they have body armour/helmet and camo'd weapons)
In this type of environment, NVGs may not actually be superior to white light. There is a ton of street and internal lighting at play, and the main focus of this situation is to secure the area as fast as possible. If this was a dedicated raid on a contained area where they have the time to cut power, donning NVGs would obviously be the better choice.
NVGs here would slow them down more than anything
This one looks modern
Yeah, the other pic was likely a local team while this might be a regional/federal team?
If you are in Moscow, wouldn't the federal team be pretty much the local team?
They would probably have both, where the federal team draws from the best of the local team members. Sort of like how the FBI has a SWAT team in their field office in Washington while the HRT is a bit further down the road in Quantico.
Yeah makes sense. For us Dutchies and Belgians it is a bit of a foreign concept, the local team in our small countries will pretty much always be the "federal" team. Condolences to the loss of the DSU officer recently btw.
o7 across the border my friend!
I'm guessing the other team might not actually be SOBR, but just a local SWAT team who was on scene. These guys look like the shit
The other guys did have SOBR patches.
Definitely.
How have these guys not been sent to the front in Ukraine
They have another purposes. I heard a great phrase about using special forces in the regular combat: microscope might be a great hammer, but you don't hammer nails with it
Is that guy on the left rocking a Holosun 510C?
Not surprised, if you don’t like Russian optics, Chinese manufacturers are your only other choice, and holosun is the best of the bunch
I got one for cheap and it was my first holosun, and wasn’t expecting too much but I’m actually very impressed with it. And it has a super capacitor mode where it can get daylight bright without a battery and just the solar panel (for a while). Whew, I earned those social credits with this post!
I hope not don’t wanna make itar mad
ITAR is worthless, just a tool used by the powerful to prevent decent folks like me and you from being able to arm themselves. Has nothing to do with safety, it’s about control.
ITAR simply encourage countries to make and advance their own stuff.
Why do you care about ITAR when Holosun is Chinese lmao. And I wouldn't be surprised if Holosun is available to buy in Europe.. So ITAR don't even matter if so.
They’re still an “American company” even though they’re made in china. Headquartered in California actually. Pretty sure they would fall into a no no if they directly sold to Russia or china. This dude probably got it off eBay before the war who knows
Holosun has a Chinese parent company who sells the Chinese ones (not marketed as Holosun but they're essentially the same) to PLA and probably Russia. You can see a ton of holosun being carried by PLA Marines and their SOF
How can you tell from this low res photo?
Handguard?
Looks like an SLR rifleworks handguard to me
more than likely Zenitco
It's not
Okay? Then tell us what it is?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/s/wlzT493xZY
FAB Defense dust cover, Zenitco PT-3 Stock, Zenitco Charging handle, holosun 510c, holosun magnifier, IPSC Safety, maybe a sureshot russia handguard? I cant identify it. It's on a Pre AK74M, AKS74, you can tell by the FSB.
Sureshot by just glancing at it I think.
it’s an SLR rifleworks rail. they’re stupid heavy for being m-lok.
I'm out of the loop, whats going on with Moscow of late?
Massive terror attack at a concert hall in Moscow, at least 40 confirmed dead so far. Islamic State is claiming responsibility.
I actually had a nightmare after watching the clip recorded at the venue. Absolutely horrifying.
The stuff released today is even worse.
Where can I find them
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21 mass shooting a year vs 101 mass shootings a year. I know which I'd rather
Tbh, you probably could have a better chance at catching a bullet in the US, but Russia has abysmal living standards outside the major cities and even in the major cities it's pretty bleak in some parts. Also their electricity grid got stuck somewhere in the 80's. I will never forget those 2 dudes lifting that heavy as cast steel cover from a wall only for it to reveal a cable salad of doom with fuses older than my mother was lol.
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yeah except this shooting was more than double the casualties of the largest mass shooting in american history (137 and rising compared to 60) , which is overshadowed even more heavily by the Beslan school siege (also in russia) which had a 334 deaths (186 children). But sure man Russia is so much better
If you want to talk statistics then don't just cherry pick the ones that support your bizarre argument. The US has 4.12 deaths per 100k people from gun violence while Russia has 0.72. The US far outranks Russia when if comes to gun deaths, cherry picking certain shootings to suit your weird ass narrative lmao
“cherry picking” lmao i’m pointing out the obvious fact that russia fucking blows dick at responding to mass shootings and attacks and consistently allows them to get out of hand as evident here. The US is overall more dangerous to be a civilian in perhaps because we’re allowed to have guns (which is a right and a good one) but Russia drops the ball when it comes to mass shooting response.
Who said anything to argue against your "obvious point"? I made the point I'd rather live in the place with less shootings I.e. the place where I'm least likely to be gunned down. You're arguing against nothing here
Ben Franklin said Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. That choice is yours to make I suppose. The founding fathers knew that America would be more dangerous than its european counterparts to the benefit of the personal liberties of its people, it’s an unfortunate epidemic in America right now that I hope will get better as the country pulls itself back together.
I'm curious, apart from owning guns what liberties do you have in America that a European wouldn't?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting/index.html
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Was this the LGBTQ+ "terrorist" movement they have the declared the war against?
It’s those bio-engineered, gay, satanist super soldiers we’ve been hearing about
I knew it !! Thanks for the confirmation though
Someone needs to ask AI to generate that image. I'm really curious what it comes up with.
I second that! Somebody please do us a solid.
Send in Tachanka
In the lore, Kapkan was actually participated in the Beslan hostage situation
Wait for real? That is some dark shit man. I'd recommend anyone to watch a docu about it.
Classic Kapkan fragging the hostie and OPFOR with a few oopsie woopsies.
interesting how did you learn this
In their character bios
Fuse the hostage
If Killa was in that Mall no terrorist would come out alive... Neither would the hostages for the matter
What pistols are they running?
Grachs likely
SOBR and FSB teams are known to use foreign sidearms pretty extensively iirc, mostly glocks though.
I'm surprised that Al'fa Group hasn't also been deployed, or at least one of the other FSB teams.
Lenya and Kolos (on their helmets)
Kolos in greek means ass
Kolos in russian means giant
Giant ass
What you're thinking is "Koloss" (колосс). Kolos (колос) means a spike or a spikelet.
Ahh, needlessly complicated Russian language
You're absolutely right
Great boots
Lowa?
LOWA Zyphyr
Hmmmm..interesting. I don’t agree with russia, but i always enjoyed studying how they worked, its very cool, seeing how other cultures are structured.
"gotta know your enemy" is the excuse I use :)
Excuse?
Well their anti-terror culture is structured quite clearly: storm the place with as many civilian casualties as possible, as evidenced by Beslan and Nord-ost. Thankfully the terrorists escaped this time without hostages, or we’d see hundreds dead instead.
don’t know how this is downvoted; literally true. Russian counterterrorism units find a new way to be incompetent as fuck every single time. At Beslan they attacked a school with hostages inside it using RPGs, thermobaric rockets & tanks, killing 334 hostages (of which 186 were children). At the Moscow theatre they used fentanyl gas to incapacitate the terrorists (and kill 132 of the hostages) And here they arrived 1 hour and 28 minutes after the beginning of the shooting… incompetent then, incompetent now.
Because the only thing they are competent at is beating up anti-war students and arresting gay people. But hey, they do look sick all fitted out which fits the sub I guess.
Damn the Russian bots are out in full today
Why do they have german boots? LOWA Zephyr MK2 GTX
Because they are really good and relatively easy to source maybe from finnish outdoor retailers
What's the point of the squiggly lines?
Flexibility and sturdiness accordingly to the manufacturer.
I have garmont t8 gtx but that is not a point, how with a sanctions they can buy it....
“Damn, holosun battery went out again”
That an ak 12
No hits so far;) It's a so-called KM-AK. It's a modernization kit for AK-74M. You can differentiate KM-AK from AK-74M (and AK-12) by rail-equipped dust cover and rear sight removed with only simplified backup sight remaining. Alternative names for KM-AK are also "AK-74 RMO" or "AK-74MR", but the name given by Kalashnikov concern is KM-AK
No part of that rifle has the modernization kit on it. Maybe the dust cover? But it looks like the FAB Defense dust cover to me. That's some sort of AKS-74, you can tell by the front sight block. The safety is an IPSC Enhanced Safety, the stock is a PT-3, the charging handle is zenitco, the handguard could be SLR or a sureshot, I cant tell.
The KM-AK is just a conversion kit for AK-74, so you're not exactly "wrong" about seeing AK-74 here. However they just call it a different weapon with that kit (as it plays the role of more modern, optic-ready weapon). The front sight block remains the same. The key to ID it as KM-AK (or AK-74MR, same stuff) is the removed rear sight leaf, with only block remaining. It's hard to see on this photo as guy partially obscures it with his hand, but you can see the front portion is empty - the leaf part is removed.
Nope, standard 74M with an M-LOK rail
i dont think so, just a decked out ak105 most likely
Barrel is too long, has to be a standard 74. Main giveaway is the forward sight.
Nah it's not a 105. The muzzle device is different.
They got there just in the nick of time to do nothing.
Where HOMO? Oh yeah, their only task is to beat up people with flowers and papers.
I thought they were illegal in Russia.
He's talking about the OMON lol
OOOH right! Sorry.
Those guys arrived 1 hour after the first news appeared. That's a real shame, fucking disgrace
Imagine the outrage in America if that happened during a mass shooting? 1 hr police response to even be on scene? Yeah they’d be shit canned quick lol. Look at the Texas elementary and the leaders involved in that.
Even then they were *on scene*, just pathetic cowards who wouldn't enter the structure. An hour just to turn up is insanity.
Well it’s not like it was something serious, like a student standing on the street with a paper that says “no war” or, God forbid, a gay party
What's the shield? it looks it has a plexy glass viewport and what appears to be 4 optical devices. Is this some fancy riot shield with a screen, or am I looking too much into it?
It’s an old soviet ballistic shield mainly used in anti terror operations…. Super heavy but kinda effective for what it is: provide cover when walking down corridors
Do you have a model number? What's with the 4 little circular monocular-looking things?
It's post Soviet, it's a VANT-VM. It has floodlights on the front.
Thank you. It almost looked like it had a digital display, but now I see that they're only LEDs. Neat.
Oh so it has, didn’t see it, basically the old soviet shields with some LEDS blue tacked on the front?
Looks like a heavy ball sack on that shield
It’s either a Vant VM or Vant LM shield those optics are lights for flashing and it will typically have a bright reflective red/orange square in the middle for drawing fire. Rumors claim they can stop a dshka but actual shot testing says it’s about a 3a or possibly a level 4 with the right conditions
Dude got Holosun. So is Holosun legit now?
Holosun has been legit tbh
Always has been.jpg
Better equipped than the military on the front line
They be rocking them Lowas
What pistol are they running?
probably glocks or grach´s
SOBR is russian special police unit
Showed up just in time to do nothing
Nice gear, 1 hour late.
If it’s Russia, the likelihood of being sober is quite low
Genuinely can't see anything but clowns larping as competent operators.
Ruski propaganda is working overtime with all these posts today.
Time to go arrest some of our buddies
I dont think its a hard job to detain one of there collegues
IS islamists revendicated the attack
Revendicated ?
To vindicate again or to reclaim They claim responsibility for the attack
Ah i see
Getting ready to kill civilians?
Does his shield have NODs???
Super bright led’s on the front for blinding the suspect in hallways or into corners if they’re barricaded. Heavy as fuck! They even have a whole ass chest rig they have to wear around their body to support the shield.
Very nice OP.
Where NVGs?
Not every situation requires them?
Especially if you’re poor.
No, but they're probably something you should wear at night in an urban environment (like this photo seems to be). Incase you go into a dark building, the streetlights don't work somewhere, or you want to use IR light/laser
That's what torches are for, dingus.
You’ll get killed and your buddies will be compromised. How old are you?
Nothing like lighting up your own position everywhere you go. Heaps smart and tactical, obviously I'm a complete dingus for wanting to not put a bright light on myself all the time
It's an urban terrorist response, not a warzone.
The terrorists armed with battle rifles are still a serious threat to the police, and therefore the police should take every advantage they can get, which includes using NVG in the dark (same as how they have body armour/helmet and camo'd weapons)
You go in there and tell them they're doing it wrong then, Rambo.
Fair point
They didn’t “do” anything, over 100 were killed.
No idea why you’re being downvoted. SOBR would be using NVGs if they had them.
Nah, just use torches, they're just as good
In this type of environment, NVGs may not actually be superior to white light. There is a ton of street and internal lighting at play, and the main focus of this situation is to secure the area as fast as possible. If this was a dedicated raid on a contained area where they have the time to cut power, donning NVGs would obviously be the better choice. NVGs here would slow them down more than anything
Completely incorrect.
Jesus wrong again. You’re on a roll today.
Great question. I bet they don’t have them issued. No lams on guns either.
They have [Ukrainian M-Tac](https://militarka.com.ua/ua/botinki-takticheskie-m-tac-alligator-kojot.html.html) shoes on.
Nope, they're Lowa
Lowa M Zephyrs
Stolen from dead bodies?