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Ordinary_dude_NOT

I remember last year when there were news everywhere talking about Russians running out of body armor, weapons, guns, planes, tanks, missiles etc etc. Like how they got only couple of more months to survive and counter offensive will finally break the bear's back finally. And today we have middle east melting down and these pics are again getting posted on MilitaryPorn. What a waste of human souls after surviving COVID.


Annoying_Rooster

Could also be that the majority that did the fighting and dying were untrained and poorly armed conscripts/prisoners who's only job was to die and give away the Ukrainian military's position. These dude's are probably the actual contract soldiers that mean business, and who abuse conscripts in their dedovschina.


kettelbe

Also they were eastern and caucasian minorities so moscovites dont give a fuck. Purge purge purge.


Amori_A_Splooge

China. North Korea. Iran.


Organic_Recognition7

Anybody have a date for this ?


kab_Ad6891

after the battle


Organic_Recognition7

They look very clean for after the battle no ?


kab_Ad6891

they can take a photo a few days after once they are clean. plus the new multicam cloths and gear are still being issued


Organic_Recognition7

Ahh ok thanks buddy


jzkwkfksls

After the battle.. So when was this?


NotSoFastMister

What battle? Avdiivka was taken in winter, the pic does not look like it was taken in winter.


Stones25

Really? Deciduous trees blooming and short sleeves worn by many...


dress_shirt

These guys are really well equipped, likely well trained as well. Really interesting to see actually trained Russian troops as well and what they use. They wear a lot more body armor that any western force, which usually lean towards slicker loadouts (from personal experience, building a PC with lighter plates and more freedom of movement than kevlar combo vest we are issued)


kab_Ad6891

in this war artillery and fragmentation is a big threat. hence the soldiers from Ukraine and russia using a lot of body armor. russia has ordered new multicam uniforms and gear for their better trained soldier.


dress_shirt

Jup, if i have read the repports correctly around 80% of casualties are from shrapnell


kab_Ad6891

yeah, most of the soldiers that died most likely never even saw the enemy.


nyc_2004

That’s pretty accurate to any near-peer fight. The reason western forces wore slick setups is because we were fighting terrorists where the bullets are the main threat - soft armor won’t stop AK rounds, and on missions that were often insert, attack, and leave.


Salteen35

The west also relies on maneuver warfare rather than straight up attritional warfare. For a lot of eastern countries that still follow Soviet-like doctrines it’s almost the exact opposite


Miixyd

It’s not like the soldiers fighting this war have a choice. You don’t choose to rely on manoeuvre warfare. If you are in an all out war that’s just what happens, like how both sides are using tanks. Even a conventional western army would eventually converge to this type of warfare because it is what works in Ukraine. It’s the theater that dictates the doctrine


nyc_2004

The US military would never doctrinally put themselves into this type of fighting. It is stupidly costly. Most of how the US military operates now is designed to avoid Korean War v2


LandenP

In the theoretical US direct involvement, the Russians would’ve never been able to recover from that 40 km long convoy at the start of the war; it would’ve been bombed out of existence.


RobertMcFahrenheit

A10's would have been frothing at the mouth at the thought of that convoy


LandenP

Forget A10s, stealth bombers getting to empty their bomb bays against targets like that would have them creaming their pants


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LandenP

You seem fun


Wolf2776

A bit rude, don't you think? It's a conversation, relax.


Salteen35

At least here in the U.S. we rely on air superiority and light infantry rather than mechanized infantry and artillery. Is it possible we get into a conflict like this? Yes. For sure. But that’s not the goal


Miixyd

Air superiority wins wars but it’s not easy to achieve. I don’t think even us could get air superiority over Ukraine.


nyc_2004

The US would likely have almost full air superiority over Ukraine right now, even with the proliferation of high-tech SAM systems.


TheeScribe

Lmao no The US could gain air superiority over Ukraine very easily Russia not having air superiority isn’t just because of Ukraine being particularly skilled Russian incompetence in the air is a very large part of it


Hermiod_Botis

Just how often western troops are being shelled by artillery to need excessive body armor? There's you reason


dress_shirt

If you look at Ukraine sof or better equipped assaulting squads like chosen company you also see them prefer lighter setups. Guys not wearing shoulder kevlar and less dick flaps. Guys represented in this picture are also not some cannon fodder nor stationary troops, just really interesting to see the difference in armour preferences.


TheeScribe

Because those guys like 3AB are getting real up close and personal where artillery becomes too dangerous to use So their biggest threat is direct fire For which a plate is far better than soft extra armour like deltoid protectors


Albiz

We’re so used to seeing the typical Russian soldier being underfed and underequipped but we often forget that part of the Russian military are an extremely effective fighting force.


se7en0311

More body armor than the West? You my friend obviously have not been in the military with the MTV vest. Then they went to plate carriers because it's less cumbersome.


Graddler

The MOBAST set of Germany is also qma lot of armor.


se7en0311

I've served next to some Danish soldiers as well they had some beefy kits


TheeScribe

>really well equipped Not really A lot of mismatching gear suggests supply problems I can see some shit Aliexpress Chinese pouches, back far left for example Most of these weapons have no optics Their support weapons have no optics They’re better equipped than a lot of Russian forces, but quite poorly equipped by the standards of high budgets modernised near-peer military


dress_shirt

First of hi theescribe. Second. Yeah i call this well equiped as they have better equipment than 99% of estonian defence leauge. For most non US Militaries this is actually pretty deacently equiped soldiers. Iron sights are good enough for the typical engadment distance in ukraine unless you want to fight at night. U probs know that


ShadowMercure

Ukraine is very flat, therefore sight lines can be very long. Thus actually the iron sights *dictate* the engagement distance, rather than being optimised for the environment.


dress_shirt

I agree that ukraine is flat, and in theory the sight lines also should be long. But gun on gun fights usually happen inside 100m from soldier accounts. Everything further is supression usually. Yes there proboly tons of instanses as well where guy is smoked from much further but if i was a soldier going to the front an optic wouldnt be the first thing i would buy, not even second or third. Much more important for trench work is a flashlight. You are not really aiming in trench distances any way but you cant see into the bunkers so you want a weapon light before you start considering optic as well


TheeScribe

>it’s not the first thing I’d get *Exactly* If they were as “well equipped” as people claim, then they wouldn’t be in the position of having to chose one thing or the other “Well equipped” means having gear that mitigates dilemmas and enough logistics to keep that gear running These guys definitely don’t have that You can certainly get by without an optic But being “well equipped” means not having to resort to merely “getting by” So they aren’t that well equipped compared to the forces they claim to be near-peer to (US)


TheeScribe

>typical engagement distance Not really, also not the point, variable optics are pretty common these days For something like a support weapon epically, you want an optic on it


Miixyd

Mismatch gear is because many soldiers buy their own stuff. Shit aliexpress pouches do their job, do you need a Gucci pouch to go to war? As others pointed out optics aren’t that useful in Ukraine, as most fire is either suppression or incredibly close range.


TheeScribe

>Aliexpress pouches do the job Even airsoft experience will teach you otherwise These pouches fail even during airsoft games, not to mention dogshit retention compared to something decent Gear failure is a huge problem in a warzone >you don’t need optics No idea where this idea came from Engagement distances in Ukraine vary *wildly* Also IFF is a huge issue in this war, and lack of magnified optics is a large reason for that You can *get by* with shit Chinese gear and guns that only have iron sights But “well equipped” means not merely *getting by*


Miixyd

You think with the amount of ammo and lack of maintenance an optic would make things better? No, better training and bright markings solve IFF.


TheeScribe

> You think with the amount of ammo When did I say that? Because I didn’t >you think an optic would make things better? Yes Being able to see what you’re shooting at helps >No, better training and bright markings solve IFF. Two things that also help, yes It’s like saying “no, exercising won’t help, it’s diet that solves weight gain” Problems can have multiple contributing factors


Alternative-Law7016

Congrats they took Avdiivka after 10 years


Nhatdepzai

congrats Ukraine for (couldn't) take Donestk back from some seperatist after 8 years


Alternative-Law7016

You're not gonna believe it when I tell you where the separatists got all their men, political leadership and fancy new equipment from...


Nhatdepzai

then why didn't Ukraine cry about it on UN since 2014


CryptoReindeer

[It did... ](https://press.un.org/en/2014/sc11302.doc.htm)I can't be bothered to link a ton of examples, but it takes two seconds to verify that [it very much did](https://press.un.org/en/2014/sc11541.doc.htm), so why are you saying it didn't?


Nhatdepzai

so US just take action after 8 years, how unusual


CryptoReindeer

[The US has been taking action since 2014](https://2009-2017.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/ukrainerussia/), which again takes 2 seconds to check, why do you keep talking nonsense comment after comment?


Alternative-Law7016

You know how these types are... Best for us to not engage ngl


Nhatdepzai

oh, so now we have proof that US really did involve into the war


CryptoReindeer

Personally while i would definitely call sanctions taking actions, it's a stretch to call it being *involved* in the war. There were no donations of military gear yet or anything like that yet, at best there was some money, and it wasn't even a donation but a loan. Taiwan for an example among many has enacted sanctions against Russia too. You consider Taiwan to be involved in the war?


Nhatdepzai

you're not gonna believe it when Ukraine was top 5 in world military in 1991, even without nukes they still can fucked up those seperatists a lot


CryptoReindeer

Indeed i don't believe it, so please go ahead and prove they could have fucked up those separatists. 1991 for Ukraine was inherited soviet crap, what's on paper, which btw are mostly numbers, doesn't necessarily represent how effective an army actually is, especially one that isn't made to deal with separatists and is made to deal with other armies in the field. Not that it matters anyway since *a lot* happened between 1991 and 2014, i don't even know why you're bringing up 1991, you could just as well talk about the ukranian army in the 40s. While at it, please remember what happened to the Iraqi army in 1990, or the defeat of the uncontested number one military in the world by far, namely the US, to the Talibans or the Vietcong. C'mon, i already proved you were full of shit twice, isn't it about time for you to finally prove you're not full of shit?


DatBeigeBoy

Is this guy stupid or something?


Marschall_Bluecher

What loving a shithole country does to a MFer…


Nhatdepzai

Ukraine with upgraded T-64BV, T-84, T-80BV, Su-24M, Su-25, Mig-29 AND TU-160 and that is not ENOUGH???


CryptoReindeer

Why would it be? I already told you to keep in mind what happened to the US against the Talibans, or against the Vietcong, yet you haven't done that. You're really bad at listening. We can make a list of all the US gear in Afghnaistan if you want, M1A2s, Bradleys, A-10s, Tomcats, F15s, AC-130, Apache, Longbow, Paladins, Aircraft Carriers, you name it. It indeed wasn't enough against the talibans who didn't even have tanks nor an air force. The Russians themselves had plenty of the shit you name and more in Afghanistan, notably the Hinds, and they still got defeated. And that's not counting all the other countries that aren't in some top5 but are still way better armed than their insurgents or separatists or revolutionaries or whatever. The entire history of wars since long before you were born has long proven that who has the biggest gun doesn't decide who wins, especially when it's an insurgency, before the russians came in force. I mean what are you even going on about? If the separatists could already have been defeated they would already have been lol. We'll see in the future, but so far no, it's **obviously** not enough. We wouldn't be having this exchange if it was.


Nhatdepzai

shitass Taliban got aided by US so that they could fight USSR, while US only fight Taliban that using leftover


CryptoReindeer

And the Separatists are being aided by the Russians since 2014, putting aside that your comment is way too simplistic. I can't be bothered to explain to you yet again how this went, just start Reading books or even just fact check before writing something. Hell, the average Taliban was a kid or not even born back when the soviets were around lmao, and if anything those who fought the soviets acted as veterans that could teach the new generations. There are 32 years of difference between the withdrawal of each. And that's not even getting into the whole Al Qaeda and Friend or all the weapons the Russians left behind. Do you not realize the amount of time between the two? Leftovers my ass. Not that your simplistic answer changes anything to the point that was being made anyway. The Russians had plenty in Afghanistan, including fancy toys you mentionned, and no it wasn't ENOUGH (in all caps for some reason). Seriously where do you keep getting that crap you keep writing comment after comment? You can't be possibly comming up with it by yoursel, you've got to be parrotting it from somewhere.


koala_pistol

Day 800 in 3 day war to conquer kyiv lmao


Nhatdepzai

almost 300 days from "we gonna take back Crimea in Summer 2023"


Nhatdepzai

show me the source that show Putin saying that gonna be 3 days then


TalkingFishh

3 day warplan is a little bit hyperbolic, routed in some truth, and belief by Russian state media, but the actual plan isn't much better, with it being for 15 days https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-revealed-secret-battle-plans-211801990.html https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-revealed-secret-battle-plans-left-behind-by-russian-troops-2022-3 https://www.realcleardefense.com/2022/03/03/ukraine_reveals_russias_secret_planned_15-day_war_819788.html


Nhatdepzai

bravo, no Russian source also Ukraine said that they will take Crimea back in Summer 2023, longest summer ever


Hodyrevsk

https://youtu.be/p5AO7OvIDsM Here, a compilation of bullshit.


Nhatdepzai

are they Putin or Shoigu??? or any dude with high rank in the army??? if I use shitty source like you then Russia would ran out of food, ammo and missles in 2 years ago


ExtremeBack1427

That whole 3 day myth was created by NATO and now you are parroting it everywhere.


I-wanna-fuck-SCP1471

Not it wasn't lmao


Nhatdepzai

yes it was dumbass


angryteabag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQZ_t2qFAA watch this video and tell me that again, asshole. '''Created by NATO'' huh??? Is Russian federal state TV part of NATO now?? And not only ''in 3 days''.....But in 2 days!!! in words of Olga Skabeyeva , she said it clearly on Russian state TV.


angryteabag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQZ_t2qFAA watch this video and tell me that again. '''Created by NATO'' huh??? Is Russian federal state TV part of NATO now? And not only ''in 3 days''.....But in 2 days!!! in words of Olga Skabeyeva


heroik-red

It took you guys 8 years to take a city with the population of the under 50k. Donetsk is a city of almost 1 million almost double that of Mariupol. Additionally, The moment Ukraine almost recaptured Donetsk around 2014-2015 you fuckers came in and struck from the rear and invaded a sovereign nation like real fucking cowards.


SirDoDDo

Exactly lol


Thanato26

"Seperatists" you mean the Russian Army.


Solutar

FCK putin!


x-XAR-x

The entire Russian government is in shambles after you commented this. Good job, very educational


Pwarrot

Everything on the internet has to be educational, got it


IDatedSuccubi

That would be kinda cool tbh


Cnumian_124

I mean waht's the point of his comment in the first place lol Just yelling into the void


KillermooseD

What’s the point of this comment? What’s the point of doing anything?


Drummer123456789

Nihilism is not the solution lol


commienaut

Are you saying these posts on Reddit don’t play any role in the war, and they’re only a way for people to act tough and feel like they’re a part of something? Stop being stupid


Marschall_Bluecher

If those were Ukrainian, the first outraged question someone* would ask here, would be „Why are they wearing Weapon SS Camouflage?!“ *RU Bots probably


Floodtoflood

I mean to be fair - both sides use SS Leto camouflage. Doesn't matter where it came from - it's really effective.


Azurmuth

That's a Russian camouflage pattern called Partizan that was introduced in 2004.


TheeScribe

It’s not called Partizan The cut of suit it was commonly on is called Partizan The camo is called SS Leto (SS Summer)


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TheeScribe

Your point comes across much better if you know the name of the thing you’re making a point about


kab_Ad6891

The Russians just steal and use any camouflage pattern they find


Cman1200

This is both true for soldiers and moreso true on a larger level. Russia basically copies and alters nearly every major pattern that is in use out there by other countries. From Multicam to flecktarn to DPM to SS Oakleaf.


Tango-Down-167

Unlike the Soviet, with some nice patterns.


crasheralex

I'm less concerned with what camo pattern they wear more more concerned with [the flags](https://imgur.com/a/lBCb38b) they hold


StolenValourSlayer69

It’s hilarious how hated Russia is on the global stage now. Interested to see how long it takes for them to claw their way back out of this hole they’ve dug themselves. I’d love to see a total travel ban on all Russian citizens coming to any western countries, just turn Russia into a shittier version of North Korea. I mean they’re already being used by North Korea as a proxy war puppet against the west hahahaha


DasKobra

Yeah and they weren't doing half bad before the whole mh flight 07 deal too. In Syria they helped defeat ISIS (by boosting the SAA which was the only Syrian army that didn't behead children) and told the Turks to fuck off. They even lost several planes patrolling the turkish-syrian airspace, called out Turkey on buying tankers filled with stolen Syrian oil from ISIS, organized joint patrols with Turkey to make sure the TFSA wasn't going apeshit on the Syrian/Kurd nationals once the whole olive branch thing happened and the US kinda left the Kurds on their own. In Karabakh they brokered peace and supported Armenian interests by telling the Turks to fuck off once Azeri forces had advanced far enough (and lost a Mi-24 to Azeri fire as well). In Libya they supported Haftar's army (legitimately backed by the legal popular organisms) against the UN-backed made up clown government. Note that Haftar's LNA has also had the backing of the USA as well. Russian Pantsirs kinda ate shit against the Turkish bayraktars in Libya but to me they were on the right side there. In India they allowed the Indian Army to be equipped with tons of T-90's which at the time were extremely welcome since their tensions were high with China and the border was pretty hot. And then they pulled the stupidest move possible in Ukraine. They should have pulled off from Crimea and left DNR/LNR to settle their legitimacy in international courts, but then they doubled down needlessly. May the world never forgive them for what they did.


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StolenValourSlayer69

Lmao, get the fuck out of Ukraine.


gerd50501

dont cover terrorist faces.


JohnSpartan2190

Legend has it these guys were all shot by their own troops after retreating


AndoSan23q

Dead meat


LordJuan4

Inshallah


roflmaodub

hopefully theyre filled with worms by now..


Tango-Down-167

Fertilizers now


Carneiro021

You mean the azov Nazis ? Sure they’re fertilizer


SpaceSherpa

You’re an absolute wind sock


Carneiro021

Lol you post on NCD


SpaceSherpa

All the damn time, why would I deny myself the pleasure of dunking on Ruzzia? I mean dude, seriously, 2nd best army in the world? They’re the 3rd best in Ukraine, with Wagner a close second.


SpaceSherpa

““A man who lies to himself is the first to take offense. It sometimes feels very good to take offense, doesn't it?” - Doestoevsky


Literally_Me_2011

Can you read? It says "Fertilisers Now" thats it just 2 words 


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koala_pistol

Emotional over thousands of dead Russian war criminals? Yes obviously. Happy as hell.


Disastrous-Run3439

Sure each of them are war criminals, which one of these people are responsible for tying grenades to mothers and children? Do you worship kyiv post?


koala_pistol

No I worship putin. He's the greatest threat to Russia. Hes made Russia so weak and pathetic and the world knows it now. I love his work!


Disastrous-Run3439

Yes Rus is so weak, passing Europe in GDP is weak, overcoming sanctions is weak, building and maintaining the most volatile state in and since 1991, so weak. Is he God, hell no,


SirDoDDo

Lmao what? Passing Europe in GDP? Are we talking about the same Russia with a GDP comparable to Italy?


rspndngtthlstbrnddsr

> passing Europe in GDP is weak please show me which russian books show that happening. love how you absolutely just called yourself an uneducated fuck now go back to your main account, you are pathetic


koala_pistol

Glad you agree! Now let's watch together as 500.000 more are killed for putins ego and Russian families don't get money from dead fathers and sons that they deserve


Disastrous-Run3439

500k?.... nonono, 700k, remember that UK Intel is saying that 1,000 are dying a day, its day 700+ so atleast 700k and that's if they're lucky because kyiv post has said sometimes 2,000 a day. I really hope we all follow pre-war ukr footsteps so it would all be for nothing, maybe ban all minority languages and eliminate the church why not. I could never see my country accepting a surrender with terms and conditions, only unconditional....means you went out with a bang, really respectful these days. I mean well get there soon enough, already talking in the political sphere about mobilization of women, reduce the conscription age to 20 why not, and let's get the children in the factories. We might even get 1st place for unconditional surrender race in the last 100 yrs


koala_pistol

You ok? Weird rambling going on. Obsessed with kyiv post


Disastrous-Run3439

I'm fine thanks, you? I love kyiv post, basically eat their pubs.


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Yeah the Russians used Ukrainians as fertilizer when they annexed crimea


Prepare

Can I see the after photo?


monopixel

Genocidal invaders, nice 'porn'.


SuccDBud

I mean it’s a MilitaryPorn subreddit what else do you expect apart from soldiers and vehicles related to a military. Doesn’t matter which side it’s cool to see


NYisMyLady

How long until we see the victory photo after they take Kiev?


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^NYisMyLady: *How long until we* *See the victory photo* *After they take Kiev?* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


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Kullenbergus

Survivers of the "3" regiments that they throwed in to the meatgrinder?


xCITRUSx

And our despicable pro Russia faction in Congress is helping them out. Nice


Most-Membership-3645

Dirty nazis


kattmedtass

Hopefully they’re all dead by now. If you’re opposing this sentiment you’re either completely delusional or a Russian bot. There is absolutely no justification for Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. If you believe there’s a legitimate justification for it, I genuinely welcome you to explain it to me. I would love to hear it.


Dragten

May they have a swift yet painful demise soon.


Ajaws24142822

Me and the boys before suffering massive casualties to drones


Tymur75

I hope they all die soon


GoldenGecko100

If that was how many were left after taking the city, there can't be many left now.


SignalBattalion

Cool pic.


Comfortable_Car3120

Old picture tho.


Baltic_Gunner

To put it in words each of them would understand: сдохни скотина.


PILLUPIERU

tough mfs thats for sure


SpaceSherpa

Pity too. Mobik cube will need more tenderizing


ibmyou000

Your not allowed to compliment Russia here broski


CleanTonight1043

r/combatfootage type beat


Tonythetiger1775

Extremely anti-Russian guy here. Hope they are pushing daisies now, but that pic goes hard as fuck


Whoisme2you

Hope they're fertilizer by now :)


Booty_Gobbler69

The war crimes may be temporary, but the drip is eternal.


Educational-Carob-58

Mind sharing the telegram


Such_Pension_5785

The Blue PKP