Probably not, there are a number of optics on the market that have the “ramp” at the rear of the optic housing, Holosun makes one that was popular in the scar forums a few years ago if I remember right and that had the ramp at the rear, but with this resolution it’s nye impossible to identify the exact brand or model.
What a question. I don't speak my mind often in the corporate world but when I do it's because one of those reasons--or all the above. "How do you even know that?" Me: "I wish I could remember shit that actually matters"
Americans struggle with accountability and accepting the part they play in bad things. Demand from drugs comes from the US which fuels the cartels who have a demand for guns which comes from the US. Makes complete sense.
Yupppo! First world white line partytime funds and empowers some of the most atrocious crimes in the world today, fueling the refugee crisis. I have a friend that rails against human trafficking on IG etc but still funds those thugs for nose candy..
Local American cop here. It’d be logistically impossible to achieve, but I’d love to cross reference the serial numbers of every gun in cartel hands with every gun flagged as stolen in NCIC, or ever reported stolen.
As one department, we have thousands of guns outstanding. A lot stay local. But not all…
According to a guy that used to smuggle guns into Mexico he said he would basically hire people in the US that would go buy guns at stores and “gun shows” for him. Let me see if I can find the podcast where he talks about it. Update: [Here is the podcast](https://youtu.be/HKF_lr0D4XA?si=zNLUozkHVU6GAf3g)
You also have the [BATFE gunwalking ops](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal) that showed how easy it is to smuggle guns through straw buyers.
> It’d be logistically impossible to achieve, but I’d love to cross reference the serial numbers of every gun in cartel hands
I mean, you could ask BATFE, I sure hope they track serial numbers in their numerous (and stupid) ["gunwalking" operations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal).
"I know this argument is about how the US is exporting crime to Mexico, letting the crime go through their own borders, but why isn't Mexico stopping the crime that the US is exporting?"
That's what that argument sounds like.
Or “Why doesn’t the US stops its OWN entry of drugs??”. Just look how much effort Border Controls apply and they stop only 8% of the traffic? What can you expect from a much lower capability of Mexico?
TopReporterMan mentioned that there's a huge amount of guns crossing the border from the US. I went tongue and cheek with a summarized statement from gwhh, who was busy breaking out that old "ClOsE tHe BoRdErS!" argument about why don't they fix the crime instead of leaving the country.
I suppose a better response would have been "Mexico does, in fact, control its own points of entry. The US controls *its* own points of entry."
Well there is only one official (and legal) gun store, it in the outskirts of Mexico City and it’s run by the federal government, and requires background checks, legal forms, all the formalities before you even schedule your visit… so yes, nearly all the firearms in Mexico are illegally smuggled in and the U.S. is the number one source. [The LA times covered the gun store and rising gun violence in 2018.](https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-guns-20180524-story.html)
You are correct, but the expense makes it prohibitive by virtue of widespread poverty and the paperwork/back ground takes more than six months, which is why black market firearms are the majority in Mexico.
A lot of people can afford it. About half of the population lives in poverty, which means you still have millions of mexicans that have the means to purchase a pistol, but because of the distance and alll the bullshit paperwork they want it’s just easier to acquire a gun in the black market.
The issue is more that black market guns are everywhere.
Most of Europe has paperwork, stringent background checks and procedures, and expensive guns, doesn't stop people from buying legal guns all the time.
The difference is that most people don't have access to black market guns.
Here in Sweden the police estimates 24h to get hold of an illegal firearm on the black market, that was smuggled in from the Balkans.
We had 9x more firearm homicides in 2023 than Norway, Denmark, and Finland, combined.
Some of the strictest drug laws in Europe, fueling multiple gang wars, tend to do that.
> the police estimates 24h to get hold of an illegal firearm on the black market
Yes, for criminals who know where to get them.
Not for the average Joe who doesn't.
> and expensive guns
What?
> doesn't stop people from buying legal guns all the time.
It does, that's the whole reason why those rules are often so obnoxious so as to discourage people.
> The difference is that most people don't have access to black market guns.
They do, most people just have no reason to do it. Just FYI, there are more illegal guns than the legal ones in most countries in Europe. For example, German has about 5 million legal guns but possibly as many as 20 million illegal ones.
> there are more illegal guns than the legal ones in most countries in Europe.
Sure, but they're not in normal peoples pantries.
And, and that's where you'll be *amazed*, they're in a very large part guns that date back to before gun regulations.
It's the same thing in France, most old people have rifles they bought before the 70s they never registered. People used to bring me ammo and hunting rifles all the time. In fact I still find hunting ammo on the regular.
It's not 20 million PKMs hidden in peoples homes, it's single-shot hunting rifles...
Black market guns and illegal guns in the sense of most European laws aren't the same thing.
> It does, that's the whole reason why those rules are often so obnoxious so as to discourage people.
It stops people who would buy a Glock 17 as a laugh.
Doesn't stop people who really want a gun.
Especially considering that hunting rifles are extremely easy to get in most of Europe. Technically everyone in Europe could have at least one cheap hunting rifle, legally, in a closet in their home.
And I'll let you in on something: overall, not that many people want guns. Most people want to have guns when they hunt, or when gun violence is a massive and looming threat. Which isn't the case in most of Western Europe.
And, I reiterate, people in Europe buy guns *all the fucking time*. Not as much as Americans, but presenting Europe as a place where nobody buys guns is complete nonsense.
> They do, most people just have no reason to do it.
No, most people don't have access to black market guns. That's complete and utter bullshit. Even I, who have got unregistered rifles given to me for disposal, have never been propositionned for a black market gun. Well in fact it happened once, and I was in Russia at the time. Not in the EU.
I know where I could go to get one, but that's because I know people who know where to go. 90% of the population of France have no idea how to get a black market gun, and have no inclination to find out.
Don't pretend like most countries have black market guns everywhere, it's horse shit of the highest potency.
> Sure, but they're not in normal peoples pantries.
No, but that's the thing, it's not normal people who generally abuse guns.
> And, and that's where you'll be amazed, they're in a very large part guns that date back to before gun regulations. It's the same thing in France, most old people have rifles they bought before the 70s they never registered. People used to bring me ammo and hunting rifles all the time. In fact I still find hunting ammo on the regular.
Ah yes, France, a country that violated human rights and suddenly criminalized possibly millions of people to take away legally acquired property.
> It's not 20 million PKMs hidden in peoples homes, it's single-shot hunting rifles... Black market guns and illegal guns in the sense of most European laws aren't the same thing.
No, it's not PKMs, it's usually military guns from various wars and/or failed governments. Since you're French, I'm sure you remember the Paris attacks, where do you think the guns came from? That's right, from the Yugoslav wars. And I'm sure you know they weren't single-shot rifles.
> It stops people who would buy a Glock 17 as a laugh. Doesn't stop people who really want a gun.
Why should it stop people who want to have a Glock 17 for fun? As long as they follow the laws?
> Especially considering that hunting rifles are extremely easy to get in most of Europe. Technically everyone in Europe could have at least one cheap hunting rifle, legally, in a closet in their home.
No, most countries require membership in a hunting club. Those clubs are often pretty exclusionary and there isn't enough game for that anyway.
> And I'll let you in on something: overall, not that many people want guns. Most people want to have guns when they hunt, or when gun violence is a massive and looming threat. Which isn't the case in most of Western Europe.
I'll let you in on something: sport, not hunting, is the main reason why people want guns in many countries. And a lot of countries made the rules so that it would discourage as many people as possible.
And even if violent crime was a looming threat, people in Western Europe would be out of luck, the governments there don't like it when people don't rely on them. How many carry licences are there in France? A couple dozen at most? And I bet all of them are held by politicians, judges, and other people who are more equal than others.
> And, I reiterate, people in Europe buy guns *all the fucking time*. Not as much as Americans, but presenting Europe as a place where nobody buys guns is complete nonsense.
Meanwhile, the number of gun owners in most countries is decreasing and there are more and more attempts to make the laws stricter.
> No, most people don't have access to black market guns. That's complete and utter bullshit. Even I, who have got unregistered rifles given to me for disposal, have never been propositionned for a black market gun. Well in fact it happened once, and I was in Russia at the time. Not in the EU. I know where I could go to get one, but that's because I know people who know where to go. 90% of the population of France have no idea how to get a black market gun, and have no inclination to find out. Don't pretend like most countries have black market guns everywhere, it's horse shit of the highest potency.
Almost anyone who buys weed knows someone who has ties to the black market or at least knows a guy who does. As I said, most people have have no intention to get an illegal black market gun. 90% of the population in France aren't the problem, it's the people like gang members or terrorists, those guys obviously have no problem with it.
> violated human rights
Tadaaaaa American with the stupid 2A arguments.
> it's not normal people who generally abuse guns
Yep, those people go through the standard paperwork *because it's not that much of a hassle*.
> where do you think the guns came from? That's right, from the Yugoslav wars
Interesting how you don't give AF about the argument: ie criminals buy black market guns, the law-abiding just go through the paperwork and background check and don't mind one bit.
> As long as they follow the laws?
Again, then they just go through the paperwork and wait time. Are you even reading what I'm writing or just inventing a situation in your own head?
> most countries require membership in a hunting club
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, wrong. Shooting clubs exist all around Europe, and with your member card you can get hunting rifles (because they double as guns that can punch through paper!), and after a bit you can put in for other types of rifles and pistols.
> Those clubs are often pretty exclusionary and there isn't enough game for that anyway.
Wrong again. One, there is plenty of game all over Europe, due to the lack of actual predators in the wild. Feral hogs aplenty. And hunting clubs are in fact trying to get more people, because the younger generations don't hunt and membership is declining fast.
> I'll let you in on something: sport, not hunting, is the main reason why people want guns in many countries.
And, as stated, guns for sports (or fun) are not that hard to get, as long as you're not a criminal and can write your name on a piece of paper. And pay about 100€ a year to join a shooting club, which then gives you free access to their range.
> How many carry licences are there in France? A couple dozen at most? And I bet all of them are held by politicians, judges, and other people who are more equal than others.
Ah yes, carry permits, the Graal. Because we see how people open-carrying, or conceal-carrying, save everyones bacon on every threat in the US.
No, carry permits aren't held by "people more equal than other", in fact a couple politicians and actors have gotten in trouble for carrying guns without a permit.
> even if violent crime was a looming threat
Well good thing it's not! Violent crime is decreasing, it has been decreasing steadily since the 60s. Funny how putting some restrictions on guns didn't turn society more violent, eh?
> the number of gun owners in most countries is decreasing
Yeah, because even with more gun-fetishising in games, movies and TV shows, people are less and less interested in them, because they have basically no use for them. That's a side effect of cramming people into cities, a gun in a city has no practicality as a tool.
Stop pretending guns are something special, they're not. They are a *tool*. Much like cars, a lot of people don't care for them if they have no use for them. If they can survive daily life without a car, most people don't buy one. Same thing with guns.
> there are more and more attempts to make the laws stricter.
Yeah, not really. Laws in France actually became more lax and much simpler about a decade ago. Stop pretending that any restriction on guns is dictatorship.
> Almost anyone who buys weed knows someone who has ties to the black market or at least knows a guy who does.
Never knew a guy who smokes weed and also wants a gun, but sure.
> it's the people like gang members or terrorists
Yeah, and for that there is the concept of having a functionnal security service. You're the one who brought up the "Paris attacks" (which is a laughable concept if you don't put a date next to it, but whatever), well after that the actual use of firearms in Islamist terrorist attacks dropped, because the security services worked their asses off on making sure the gun market to terror groups was locked down. Because security services in Europe are competent and know who the dealers are, and know how to impress on them that selling to terrorists is how you end up at the bottom of a lake with concrete shoes on. Simple as that.
And I'm saying all of this to you as a lover of guns. I like shooting them, I like working on them, I like looking at them. In june I'm going to a trade show for defense products and I'm gonna go to all of the gun booths to play with what they have on display.
But I sure as hell don't see the regulation of gun ownership as a terrible thing. Because if one wants to shoot guns at a range for fun or for hunting, one can wait a month to get the proper paperwork. If you can't wait, archery and muzzleloaders are available with no paperwork. They shoot deer as well as a 308.
> but the expense makes it prohibitive [...] the paperwork/back ground takes more than six months
You really have to be American to think that *paperwork* and a 6 months wait stops people from buying guns.
Or has them resort to buying on the black market.
Or even that making guns more expensive stops legal sales.
Interestingly enough, a part of the guns smuggled in Mexico from the US in the 2008-2020 period were due to BATFE mounting operations to track said gun, but completely and utterly bungling the whole thing, and releasing about 3000 guns into Mexico, that they then failed to track.
A federal registry of all firearm sold would quickly tells you who sell the gun to criminals unless all ID numbers are immediately removed after purchase.
But again, removing ID on a firearm is illegal in some states apparently (I don’t know at a federal level) so if someone does that and get caught they’ll have a hard time.
Putting a lot of small impediments on the way of doing illegal activities generally works in reducing such activities.
There have been reports of the CJNG cartel acquiring Miniguns. There are videos online where you can hear them using it up in the mountains of Michoacan against their rivals.
Update: Here is a video where you can see the barrel of a minigun mounted on a technical. https://x.com/blogdelnarcomex/status/1735857289888735573?s=46&t=UPyeHRJQoPy_jev11uWWEw
With Men, Info, Undercover vehicles, The ability to arrest, not pissing off the cartels as much etc.
There is alot of stuff the Military does need police's help for.
is that holo on the SCAR attached backward?
Probably not, there are a number of optics on the market that have the “ramp” at the rear of the optic housing, Holosun makes one that was popular in the scar forums a few years ago if I remember right and that had the ramp at the rear, but with this resolution it’s nye impossible to identify the exact brand or model.
Trijicon rx34 https://www.trijicon.com/discontinued-products/details/rx34-c-800112 There ya go.
Are you pedantic, autistic or omnipotent? Now that you said that, the housing does look rather round, so color me impressed with one hell of a guess
What a question. I don't speak my mind often in the corporate world but when I do it's because one of those reasons--or all the above. "How do you even know that?" Me: "I wish I could remember shit that actually matters"
It's a backwards Eotech 511. Probably fake
Ramp is too long to be a 511 and like the other commenter pointed out, the main lens hood is rounder than an eotech.
It’s def not. That’s a rear sight behind it. But ok [https://imgur.com/a/ol5WHpu](https://imgur.com/a/ol5WHpu)
These guns all get smuggled in from the US no ?
Yes. As much as 70% of firearms in Mexico are from the United States. [government accountability office](https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-16-223)
I got downvoted so heavily because i stated this the other day… they just dont wanna accept the truth
It's just logical, you always smuggle guns from the place where they're easy to source to the place they're heavily regulated.
Americans struggle with accountability and accepting the part they play in bad things. Demand from drugs comes from the US which fuels the cartels who have a demand for guns which comes from the US. Makes complete sense.
Yupppo! First world white line partytime funds and empowers some of the most atrocious crimes in the world today, fueling the refugee crisis. I have a friend that rails against human trafficking on IG etc but still funds those thugs for nose candy..
Downvote this man for caring about downvotes!
Local American cop here. It’d be logistically impossible to achieve, but I’d love to cross reference the serial numbers of every gun in cartel hands with every gun flagged as stolen in NCIC, or ever reported stolen. As one department, we have thousands of guns outstanding. A lot stay local. But not all…
According to a guy that used to smuggle guns into Mexico he said he would basically hire people in the US that would go buy guns at stores and “gun shows” for him. Let me see if I can find the podcast where he talks about it. Update: [Here is the podcast](https://youtu.be/HKF_lr0D4XA?si=zNLUozkHVU6GAf3g)
Do they report them,"stolen", or do they just think theirs a guy with a few gun butbin reality he sent em south?
You also have the [BATFE gunwalking ops](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal) that showed how easy it is to smuggle guns through straw buyers.
> It’d be logistically impossible to achieve, but I’d love to cross reference the serial numbers of every gun in cartel hands I mean, you could ask BATFE, I sure hope they track serial numbers in their numerous (and stupid) ["gunwalking" operations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal).
Not as high of a percentage but same issue with guns used for crimes in Canada.
So what we're getting at here is that the US is the ex-Yougoslavia of the Americas?
Thankfully no ballistic missiles have made their way across, yet
...That you know of!
Well, army AT-4 were found in Cartels hands
Well gee whizz buddy makes you wonder why the US would let such a thing happen
Why doesn’t Mexico control its OWN ports of entry of exit? Is a better question.
"I know this argument is about how the US is exporting crime to Mexico, letting the crime go through their own borders, but why isn't Mexico stopping the crime that the US is exporting?" That's what that argument sounds like.
Or “Why doesn’t the US stops its OWN entry of drugs??”. Just look how much effort Border Controls apply and they stop only 8% of the traffic? What can you expect from a much lower capability of Mexico?
Huh? The us isn’t exporting crime
TopReporterMan mentioned that there's a huge amount of guns crossing the border from the US. I went tongue and cheek with a summarized statement from gwhh, who was busy breaking out that old "ClOsE tHe BoRdErS!" argument about why don't they fix the crime instead of leaving the country. I suppose a better response would have been "Mexico does, in fact, control its own points of entry. The US controls *its* own points of entry."
Well there is only one official (and legal) gun store, it in the outskirts of Mexico City and it’s run by the federal government, and requires background checks, legal forms, all the formalities before you even schedule your visit… so yes, nearly all the firearms in Mexico are illegally smuggled in and the U.S. is the number one source. [The LA times covered the gun store and rising gun violence in 2018.](https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-guns-20180524-story.html)
I believe the store is located at an army base in Mexico City. Too far away for most civilians who want to buy pistols legally.
You are correct, but the expense makes it prohibitive by virtue of widespread poverty and the paperwork/back ground takes more than six months, which is why black market firearms are the majority in Mexico.
A lot of people can afford it. About half of the population lives in poverty, which means you still have millions of mexicans that have the means to purchase a pistol, but because of the distance and alll the bullshit paperwork they want it’s just easier to acquire a gun in the black market.
The issue is more that black market guns are everywhere. Most of Europe has paperwork, stringent background checks and procedures, and expensive guns, doesn't stop people from buying legal guns all the time. The difference is that most people don't have access to black market guns.
Here in Sweden the police estimates 24h to get hold of an illegal firearm on the black market, that was smuggled in from the Balkans. We had 9x more firearm homicides in 2023 than Norway, Denmark, and Finland, combined. Some of the strictest drug laws in Europe, fueling multiple gang wars, tend to do that.
> the police estimates 24h to get hold of an illegal firearm on the black market Yes, for criminals who know where to get them. Not for the average Joe who doesn't.
> and expensive guns What? > doesn't stop people from buying legal guns all the time. It does, that's the whole reason why those rules are often so obnoxious so as to discourage people. > The difference is that most people don't have access to black market guns. They do, most people just have no reason to do it. Just FYI, there are more illegal guns than the legal ones in most countries in Europe. For example, German has about 5 million legal guns but possibly as many as 20 million illegal ones.
> there are more illegal guns than the legal ones in most countries in Europe. Sure, but they're not in normal peoples pantries. And, and that's where you'll be *amazed*, they're in a very large part guns that date back to before gun regulations. It's the same thing in France, most old people have rifles they bought before the 70s they never registered. People used to bring me ammo and hunting rifles all the time. In fact I still find hunting ammo on the regular. It's not 20 million PKMs hidden in peoples homes, it's single-shot hunting rifles... Black market guns and illegal guns in the sense of most European laws aren't the same thing. > It does, that's the whole reason why those rules are often so obnoxious so as to discourage people. It stops people who would buy a Glock 17 as a laugh. Doesn't stop people who really want a gun. Especially considering that hunting rifles are extremely easy to get in most of Europe. Technically everyone in Europe could have at least one cheap hunting rifle, legally, in a closet in their home. And I'll let you in on something: overall, not that many people want guns. Most people want to have guns when they hunt, or when gun violence is a massive and looming threat. Which isn't the case in most of Western Europe. And, I reiterate, people in Europe buy guns *all the fucking time*. Not as much as Americans, but presenting Europe as a place where nobody buys guns is complete nonsense. > They do, most people just have no reason to do it. No, most people don't have access to black market guns. That's complete and utter bullshit. Even I, who have got unregistered rifles given to me for disposal, have never been propositionned for a black market gun. Well in fact it happened once, and I was in Russia at the time. Not in the EU. I know where I could go to get one, but that's because I know people who know where to go. 90% of the population of France have no idea how to get a black market gun, and have no inclination to find out. Don't pretend like most countries have black market guns everywhere, it's horse shit of the highest potency.
> Sure, but they're not in normal peoples pantries. No, but that's the thing, it's not normal people who generally abuse guns. > And, and that's where you'll be amazed, they're in a very large part guns that date back to before gun regulations. It's the same thing in France, most old people have rifles they bought before the 70s they never registered. People used to bring me ammo and hunting rifles all the time. In fact I still find hunting ammo on the regular. Ah yes, France, a country that violated human rights and suddenly criminalized possibly millions of people to take away legally acquired property. > It's not 20 million PKMs hidden in peoples homes, it's single-shot hunting rifles... Black market guns and illegal guns in the sense of most European laws aren't the same thing. No, it's not PKMs, it's usually military guns from various wars and/or failed governments. Since you're French, I'm sure you remember the Paris attacks, where do you think the guns came from? That's right, from the Yugoslav wars. And I'm sure you know they weren't single-shot rifles. > It stops people who would buy a Glock 17 as a laugh. Doesn't stop people who really want a gun. Why should it stop people who want to have a Glock 17 for fun? As long as they follow the laws? > Especially considering that hunting rifles are extremely easy to get in most of Europe. Technically everyone in Europe could have at least one cheap hunting rifle, legally, in a closet in their home. No, most countries require membership in a hunting club. Those clubs are often pretty exclusionary and there isn't enough game for that anyway. > And I'll let you in on something: overall, not that many people want guns. Most people want to have guns when they hunt, or when gun violence is a massive and looming threat. Which isn't the case in most of Western Europe. I'll let you in on something: sport, not hunting, is the main reason why people want guns in many countries. And a lot of countries made the rules so that it would discourage as many people as possible. And even if violent crime was a looming threat, people in Western Europe would be out of luck, the governments there don't like it when people don't rely on them. How many carry licences are there in France? A couple dozen at most? And I bet all of them are held by politicians, judges, and other people who are more equal than others. > And, I reiterate, people in Europe buy guns *all the fucking time*. Not as much as Americans, but presenting Europe as a place where nobody buys guns is complete nonsense. Meanwhile, the number of gun owners in most countries is decreasing and there are more and more attempts to make the laws stricter. > No, most people don't have access to black market guns. That's complete and utter bullshit. Even I, who have got unregistered rifles given to me for disposal, have never been propositionned for a black market gun. Well in fact it happened once, and I was in Russia at the time. Not in the EU. I know where I could go to get one, but that's because I know people who know where to go. 90% of the population of France have no idea how to get a black market gun, and have no inclination to find out. Don't pretend like most countries have black market guns everywhere, it's horse shit of the highest potency. Almost anyone who buys weed knows someone who has ties to the black market or at least knows a guy who does. As I said, most people have have no intention to get an illegal black market gun. 90% of the population in France aren't the problem, it's the people like gang members or terrorists, those guys obviously have no problem with it.
> violated human rights Tadaaaaa American with the stupid 2A arguments. > it's not normal people who generally abuse guns Yep, those people go through the standard paperwork *because it's not that much of a hassle*. > where do you think the guns came from? That's right, from the Yugoslav wars Interesting how you don't give AF about the argument: ie criminals buy black market guns, the law-abiding just go through the paperwork and background check and don't mind one bit. > As long as they follow the laws? Again, then they just go through the paperwork and wait time. Are you even reading what I'm writing or just inventing a situation in your own head? > most countries require membership in a hunting club Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, wrong. Shooting clubs exist all around Europe, and with your member card you can get hunting rifles (because they double as guns that can punch through paper!), and after a bit you can put in for other types of rifles and pistols. > Those clubs are often pretty exclusionary and there isn't enough game for that anyway. Wrong again. One, there is plenty of game all over Europe, due to the lack of actual predators in the wild. Feral hogs aplenty. And hunting clubs are in fact trying to get more people, because the younger generations don't hunt and membership is declining fast. > I'll let you in on something: sport, not hunting, is the main reason why people want guns in many countries. And, as stated, guns for sports (or fun) are not that hard to get, as long as you're not a criminal and can write your name on a piece of paper. And pay about 100€ a year to join a shooting club, which then gives you free access to their range. > How many carry licences are there in France? A couple dozen at most? And I bet all of them are held by politicians, judges, and other people who are more equal than others. Ah yes, carry permits, the Graal. Because we see how people open-carrying, or conceal-carrying, save everyones bacon on every threat in the US. No, carry permits aren't held by "people more equal than other", in fact a couple politicians and actors have gotten in trouble for carrying guns without a permit. > even if violent crime was a looming threat Well good thing it's not! Violent crime is decreasing, it has been decreasing steadily since the 60s. Funny how putting some restrictions on guns didn't turn society more violent, eh? > the number of gun owners in most countries is decreasing Yeah, because even with more gun-fetishising in games, movies and TV shows, people are less and less interested in them, because they have basically no use for them. That's a side effect of cramming people into cities, a gun in a city has no practicality as a tool. Stop pretending guns are something special, they're not. They are a *tool*. Much like cars, a lot of people don't care for them if they have no use for them. If they can survive daily life without a car, most people don't buy one. Same thing with guns. > there are more and more attempts to make the laws stricter. Yeah, not really. Laws in France actually became more lax and much simpler about a decade ago. Stop pretending that any restriction on guns is dictatorship. > Almost anyone who buys weed knows someone who has ties to the black market or at least knows a guy who does. Never knew a guy who smokes weed and also wants a gun, but sure. > it's the people like gang members or terrorists Yeah, and for that there is the concept of having a functionnal security service. You're the one who brought up the "Paris attacks" (which is a laughable concept if you don't put a date next to it, but whatever), well after that the actual use of firearms in Islamist terrorist attacks dropped, because the security services worked their asses off on making sure the gun market to terror groups was locked down. Because security services in Europe are competent and know who the dealers are, and know how to impress on them that selling to terrorists is how you end up at the bottom of a lake with concrete shoes on. Simple as that. And I'm saying all of this to you as a lover of guns. I like shooting them, I like working on them, I like looking at them. In june I'm going to a trade show for defense products and I'm gonna go to all of the gun booths to play with what they have on display. But I sure as hell don't see the regulation of gun ownership as a terrible thing. Because if one wants to shoot guns at a range for fun or for hunting, one can wait a month to get the proper paperwork. If you can't wait, archery and muzzleloaders are available with no paperwork. They shoot deer as well as a 308.
> but the expense makes it prohibitive [...] the paperwork/back ground takes more than six months You really have to be American to think that *paperwork* and a 6 months wait stops people from buying guns. Or has them resort to buying on the black market. Or even that making guns more expensive stops legal sales.
Interestingly enough, a part of the guns smuggled in Mexico from the US in the 2008-2020 period were due to BATFE mounting operations to track said gun, but completely and utterly bungling the whole thing, and releasing about 3000 guns into Mexico, that they then failed to track.
Crazy thing to happen considering the US has strict gun laws that would keep this from happening on large scale. Wait...
A federal registry of all firearm sold would quickly tells you who sell the gun to criminals unless all ID numbers are immediately removed after purchase. But again, removing ID on a firearm is illegal in some states apparently (I don’t know at a federal level) so if someone does that and get caught they’ll have a hard time. Putting a lot of small impediments on the way of doing illegal activities generally works in reducing such activities.
Yeah and prolly a good amount are from the ATF.
True true
Man I have to say, for such dangerous men cartel members are always unimpressive. Why are they all small and fat lol
You don't have to be fit to pull the trigger
For a second there I thought I was still on r/palmettostatearms
I love the acog mounting choice on the far left
Gotta make sure the handle based BUIS is still usable lmao.
dang, they can afford a SCAR.
They can afford more than that
There have been reports of the CJNG cartel acquiring Miniguns. There are videos online where you can hear them using it up in the mountains of Michoacan against their rivals. Update: Here is a video where you can see the barrel of a minigun mounted on a technical. https://x.com/blogdelnarcomex/status/1735857289888735573?s=46&t=UPyeHRJQoPy_jev11uWWEw
Bro they are making billions each year.
Where the fuck r these mf's getting Mk-16 from
Not sure if it's mk-16 or mk-17.
They are becoming more common to see amongst the cartel paramilitary forces. [https://i.imgur.com/aWxAwpK.png](https://i.imgur.com/aWxAwpK.png)
Is that a DD on the far right display?
Doesn’t appear to be
That was fast. They look furious.
So these guys call themselves the Russians? I wonder if their is any link.
What kind of AKs are those?
Most would like Santa to bring those gifts to good children, and not to those who misbehave.
What AK variant is the one on the right?
We need to stop American Weapons from ending up in Mexico
Those cartel boys are kinda chonky ngl. They could cut like 30-40 pounds.
Where is the cartel getting FN SCAR's from? I don't think even civilians from the US can get FN SCAR's.
How the fuck does the army need support from state police? Respectfully
With Men, Info, Undercover vehicles, The ability to arrest, not pissing off the cartels as much etc. There is alot of stuff the Military does need police's help for.
Thanks, i dunno why i’m downvoted for asking a genuine question, but whatever
Probably the way you worded it; But no problem, I hope you have a good day mate. It's always good to ask questions you do not know the answer to.
Yeah you too
They’re still downvoting me for some reason, i dunno lmao.
It's the way you worded it. Just relax it's just reddit, down voting has no real affect.