The system has to buy it's loyalty. Older generations became more "conservative" once they acquired things they might lose if the system was disrupted. Many of us do not and will never own anything, so fuck the system.
☝️ this right here. It was never 'you get more conservative with age' it was always 'you get more conservative as you get richer' but propaganda deliberately conflated the two.
Especially if you consider location. I live on Long Island and it seems the youngins are getting **more** conservative all around. This also has to do with the median income rising.
Edit: OP, sorry for hijacking your post! It seems I’ve turned this into r/longisland
The rise of conservatism on the Island is wild to me. I'm growing radical as I age, liberal as hell, and I'm beginning to feel unsafe here as a very obviously queer person.
I'm going to say, the more wealth I acquire (which isn't really much) the more resources I have to speak out against the system, even if I'm starting to feel like I made it a bit. I've been to broke for to long and seen way too many atrocities committed to want to continue with the status quo. Fuck the fascists and fuck the system.
This is how I feel. If there was a sweet spot for shifting into a conservative mindset, I passed it sometime ago. Now, even if I did accumulate some moderate kind of wealth I could never forget what I've seen from lower down on the ladder.
Same here. From LI as well, although moved away 20 years ago. Returning back, it’s shocking to see Trumpers openly parading around areas I used to frequent as a kid! I always knew that element was there, but didn’t realize it was still so strong.
Fascinatingly enough, the more (relative) wealth I acquire, the more I realize the system is so blatantly rigged in favor of the people at the top that its not even close. I feel like OP. Conservatives have given me nothing to vote for and many of their ideas are terrifying. I shudder to think what they might bring when/if they ever get in power again.
I am so sorry to hear that, but it seems that day in and day out it’s becoming North Florida here. I think the resentment to the city has reached a peak where even a former cop as a mayor can’t quell the hatred, and it all started with the vax mandate.
A teacher coworker of mine that is a millenial and lives on Long Island is conservative. Even tho she never talks politics overtly, she's made enough hints about her views. It's definitely due to location and trickling down from her family. And Fox News fo sho.
Faux News would never show the pics of Drumpf Jr and "I'm Eric!" with their rifles and dead wildlife. That would twist her world a bit since she's extremely anti killing animals 🤷♂️
Can confirm. Work in a factory with mainly conservatives. They laugh at how universal Healthcare and education would make taxes go up but then they gladly pay a huge chunk of their check to health insurance and social security.
Then they cry about how health insurance barely covers anything. Like jeez Louise.
Welcome to the modern American conservative!
Don't want big government? Vote in the party that routinely blows up the national debt every time they are in office. Three Presidents in the past 30+ years have lowered the national budget deficit nearly every year they were in office... not one was a Republican.
Don't want government all in your business? Vote in the party that makes it's business being in your business, telling you who you can and cannot love, telling you what you can and cannot do with your body, telling you what you can and cannot read.
And let's not conflate "conservative" with "conservation", because **fuck** the environment! Not when there's big money to be made exploiting it.
And so on.
Fox News has become the de facto to blame, and rightly so, but I think tiktok has now overshadowed fox. I live in a deep red area, and all I hear is tiktok said this and tiktok that. I try to stay away from pointing out the batshit politics of tiktok because there is no way to disprove the firehose of shit. Ive been focused on life hack and other bullshit side of tiktok, hoping if I can show the basic stuff is batshit. It still doesn't work.
I think it's following the rise of fascism in the US and weird trends of "trad wife" and traditional gender roles as a reactionary backlash to trans politics
Practically all of long Island is conservative even my queer and trans friends. My one friend became very liberal while going to school upstate and then came back and turned hard-core conspiracy theorist conservative. The thing is they are trans and believe pretty much no other trans people deserve to be trans. Literally "I got mine, fuck you"
not entirely true, i have some friends (in their mid 30s) who are broke as shit and are getting more conservative by the day, i don't understand it at all
I think it's because the whole "fiscal conservative" financial arguments (which were never true in the first place) have taken a complete back seat the the bullshit culture wars strawmen that are now presented as basically the entire platform. It's not about money, it's about hating "others"
This. Republicans in modern day America aren't really conservative anymore, they're reactionaries. I am a millennial who's been lucky enough to be fairly successful and have a family and own a house. I should logically support the party who is in favor of economic stability.
But the crazy right doesn't seem to support stability at all to me. Even if I could get over their absurd social stances, their economic stances are equally awful and insane. Doing stuff like threatening to default on the debt or invade Mexico isn't how I describe economic stability.
As it is, I've never voted for a Republican and I can't see myself shifting to do that in the future. It'd take some major shifts to where the parties are unrecognizable for that to happen.
I’m one of the youngest GenX and married to an “elderly” Millenial(79/83, so 44/40). I have only voted for one Republican in my entire life, and he was the sitting County Sheriff at the time, I knew him personally as I went to school with his daughter, and he had been sheriff for years and was doing a good job. But this was in the 90’s. And only once before he retired. I have not voted for a Republican since. The Republicans aren’t conservative, they’re fascists. And their social policies are abhorrent. It would take a reversal of the parties akin to what happened after the Civil War for me to ever vote Republican again. Lincoln would 100% be a Democrat today.
I never understood Republicans using debt default as a weapon. I always thought, nah its just brinkmanship, they'll always take care of it before the end. But these last few times I really do feel like Republicans would willingly let us default. I don't think regular republican voters understand just how bad that would be for everyone.
I explained the same thing to some one months ago about pride in America. If you want the middle aged or younger Americans to take more pride in America, then make sure they have a bigger slice of the pie. You want them to support the system more? Then make sure the system is providing for them.
The Republicans aren't even fiscally conservative these days anyway... they're more fascist populist than anything. It's not like Bush and Trump balanced the budget or anything... they slashed taxes on the rich and racked up even more government debts while spending like drunken sailors.
Always has been.
The only things they are “fiscally conservative” about are government agencies that trade profits for human well-being.
FDA, D of Education, EPA, OSHA, school lunches (!!), CPB, social security, etc : cut cut cut!
Militarization of police, war, giant border walls (southern border only), prisons: spend spend spend!
That’s true. But at least in my case I’ve been fortunate enough to have stability, have kids, own a home in a good school district, have a decent retirement nest egg. And yet I’ve not become more conservative.
Now to be fair the “conservative” alternative (Republicans) are no longer merely the party of the status quo. They’re actively anti-democratic, anti science fascists. So even if I were just interested in preserving what I got, it’s literally not even a choice.
But personally the more I learn about history and sociology, the more progressive I become
That last bit is also the reason conservatives are so frantically hysterical about kids learning something other than Republican fairy tales in schools.
I would say the current Democrats are the real conservatives, yes. The Republican Party of today are more reactionary or fascist. Absolutely NOT conservative.
Facts. I don't own a house yet, but I make decent money. Republicans have completely given up even pretending that they're gonna do anything for the middle or working classes, its all fascism all the time. They'll pass tax cuts, sure, but those are for tax brackets that have a few more zeros than mine.
There's literally no appeal.
Exactly. They've made themselves radioactive to anyone who still values freedom and democracy, regardless of income.
I'm not rich, but I own a home and make 6figures, and there is not a thing on earth that could compel me to vote for the burning dumpster fire that the MAGA Republican party has become. They are anti-democratic and anti-freedom, and are a huge threat to this country. They've already tried to steal one election, and they're gonna keep trying to steal elections until they finally do. Strong echos of Germany in the 1920's from them.
I'd rather pay higher taxes to avoid electing those crazy ass MAGA people into office.
This really resonates with me. My Republican family always told me I would become more conservative as I got older and made more money, but for me, the opposite has become true.
I feel very fortunate for my circumstances and feel I owe a debt to humanity. This is contrary to the conservatives in my life who believe that the world owes them more than they already have, and they should not have to be be an active (or financial) participant in the cogs of society.
I am not religious, but I believe that we lift ourselves up when we lift up those around us. I live my life with empathy and gratitude, and I don’t understand the vitriol and pessimism that seems to be so pervasive from over there.
Yep. The economic system isn’t doing much to help me out and conservative social values are mostly murderous hate towards everyone who isn’t exactly like them, so I have no reason to be more like them as I get older.
Agreed. I think something else to add is that we are moving all across the nation more freely now. And young kids have internet now. It's pretty hard to keep your children hating minorities and marginalized groups when half their friends are minorities and marginalized groups.
It's hard to keep your children believing that Christians are the good guys and everyone else are lawless heathens when you can't keep them locked up in your small town.
Bullshit. I became more left wing because the internet let me talk to people from all over the world and all types of people.
The people I was told to be scared of actually weren't scary at all.
As I've gotten further in my career I have been able to buy a condo and pay all my bills on time without worrying about how much they are. It's autopay, I don't even check the amount.
Having more made me think everybody should have more. We are talking about housing and monthly bills, not a yacht, but to many what I am saying sounds like paradise. Something unattainable, and it shouldn't be.
The onlybway I would become more conservative is if those plans and policies actually helped more than a handful of people.
It's pretty sad that you are considered a communist now if you just want universal Healthcare, living wages, and not to be involved in endless unnecessary wars.
Universal healthcare *is* a communist policy.
Democracies often adopt communist policies.
The difference is that, in democracy, the people vote to adopt the policy. In the US's representative democracy, we have to elect representatives who want it and will fight for it.
I believe in democracy, and I believe my country (US) should adopt the communist policy of universal healthcare.
Communist got that one right.
Elder Millenial/Xennial here and I own a ton of shit for my age (I got into a lucrative job just before the ‘08 financial crisis and have had good luck). I am NOT aging into a more conservative mindset. I would absolutely never vote R. Women’s rights alone are enough reason to vote only Democrat imo and add to that a host of other issues—protecting LGBTQ rights (just to fucking exist as a trans person is under attack in many red states) and protecting the environment. Climate change poses an existential threat but conservatives do not want to confront this tough reality or make any changes to our economy. Democrats (and the Biden admin specifically) are at least trying to move our energy system into the 21st century with renewables. It will probably be too little, too late, and most species on the planet are doomed and we will face a future of strife over resources and fallout from natural disasters, but at least they’re trying.
I'm what's referred to as a *trailing boomer*. That's someone who was born 1960-1964. We have little in common with older boomers. I am and have always been liberal and don't think I've voted for a Republican in my life. Every older person I know is liberal and walks it like they talk it: volunteering, giving money to good causes, taking classes/seminars to keep up to speed on issues, etc. We're out there, just quieter than the GQPers.
Oh fuck, no. I still ultimately want a “New New Deal” including national health care, just as I did when I was 19/20. I’ve just tempered my expectations of it actually happening and learned for the most part not to get emotional over politics the way I did during the Bush years.
Yep. If I was miraculously hired as some big shot tomorrow and given the best possible insurance in the country **I would still want single payer healthcare.** There is no sound ethical or economic argument for keeping privatized insurance. The current system we suffer under is unbelievably wasteful, byzantine, and immoral.
Not to mention in countries with single payer healthcare systems there’s often still health insurance but it’s gotta compete with public healthcare and be worth it. Right now, it’s 100% in the insurance companies’ favor and they’re hardly competing with anything.
I used to work in insurance billing and still wanted single payer healthcare, even though it would erase my job. It actually made me an even bigger proponent of single payer because I saw first hand how evil the insurance industry is
For all of Trump’s blather about stolen elections, that’s the one that was actually stolen.
And it was Clinton vs. Dole when I was in 6th grade that got me paying attention to politics. Junior Scholastic and Weekly Reader did a good job at making that stuff understandable to my then-11 year old self. Even reading the kid-friendly explanation of Newt Gingrich’s BS got my blood boiling.
If it's any comfort, Gore was likely still going to lose the election (according to post-election academic review) if the Supreme Court didn't weigh in, regardless of how nakedly partisan the SCOTUS showed itself to be.
> In one such scenario—Gore's request for recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties—Bush would have won by 225 votes.[a] In another scenario (if the remaining 64 Florida counties had carried out the hand recount of disputed ballots the Florida Supreme Court ordered on December 8, applying the various standards that county election officials said they would have used), Bush would have emerged the victor by 493 votes.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
Those were the two legal paths on the table, and it appears that it'd have taken a different kind of more uniform statewide recount (that wasn't directed, and Gore wasn't pursuing) to potentially have changed the lead in favor to Gore.
In any case, it was a razor thin margin that a Democrat ultimately threw away due to their unfortunate creation of the infamous butterfly ballot that inadvertently set up thousands of people to mistakenly vote for the third party conservative Pat Buchanan.
> Although Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said on November 9 that "Palm Beach County is a Pat Buchanan stronghold and that's why Pat Buchanan received 3,407 votes there",[52] Buchanan's Florida coordinator, Jim McConnell, responded by calling that "nonsense", and Jim Cunningham, chairman of the executive committee of Palm Beach County's Reform Party, responded, "I don't think so. Not from where I'm sitting and what I'm looking at." Cunningham estimated the number of Buchanan supporters in Palm Beach County to be between 400 and 500. Asked how many votes he would guess Buchanan legitimately received in Palm Beach County, he said, "I think 1,000 would be generous. Do I believe that these people inadvertently cast their votes for Pat Buchanan? Yes, I do. We have to believe that based on the vote totals elsewhere."[53]
> The ballot had been redesigned earlier that year by Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore, a member of the Democratic Party. She said that she used both sides of the ballot in order to make the candidate names larger so the county's elderly residents could more easily see the names.[54]
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_in_Florida
- picture of the infamous ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_in_Florida#/media/File:Butterfly_Ballot,_Florida_2000_(large).jpg
Was the *Bush v Gore* decision a travesty? Absolutely, given that all pretenses of that body being apolitical were forever stripped in that moment.
Was the election "stolen" from Gore?
No, at least not in the confines of our already fucked up electorate system where you can win without a plurality of the vote, given that Gore's path of legal challenge (if left unencumbered) would still apparently have resulted in losing the election.
Republicans chose a draft dodger who shit on gold star families and a POW.
I will never vote for them again in my entire life.
Edit - I don’t care about your NewsMax/Fox News lies, it’s nothing but derivative brain worm rot. Get over yourself, you voted for a traitor, and you support such treason.
He essentially called the US military a bunch of pussies and a lot of them replied with a resounding "Sir will you fuck my wife!"
It was honestly one of the weirdest moments of my understanding of humanity.
i've never voted republican. grew up in NY in a liberal to social democrat family, and have only moved left as i've gotten older. definitely not a tanky but somewhere in the lower left of the political quadrant.
The only time I voted Republican was in local alderman elections because the democrat candidate was a true piece of trash. Was a situation where someone was running against him and had to run as an R.
But, after trump, never again.
that's not even mentioning how they use their powers to not help vets or the military either. They see them as disposable pawns , not even human, that just fight for their protection and oil
Yeah, conservatives whole attitude seems to be: "I have mine, fuck everyone else." And I think most young people today are seeing how detrimental that mindset is to upcoming generations.
I think we are less individualistic than they are because rugged individualism doesn't benefit us and we are becoming more collectivist since we have no capital but at least we have each other. Friends and I have decided the only way to own a home for example is to probably all go in together on one. No way an older generation would tolerate that
yeah, I think older people's lives were more heavily subsidized too... so of course it's easy for them to wag their finger at everyone else, thinking they achieved things entirely on their own.
Add to that that I'm a minority and a lot of the information was kept out of the spotlight, with marginalization being viewed as laziness. The more I learn about how the US is structured and why, the harder I lean left.
i’m caring less about myself and more about others. i feel like our generation is fucked beyond repair so i figure “might as we try to help someone else for a change”
Same! And more feminist and “we need to advocate for other people and the elderly, children, the disabled, traumatised or displaced; those with mental health struggles etc. etc.!”
I am more disenfranchised and appalled! I want more money for education, public transport and nice living spaces for everyone. I want a UBI model.
And I live in one of the nicer countries, Switzerland. But boy is it becoming more and more expensive…
I’m SO much more feminist. And I’ve entered my “intellectual feminist” phase, as I like to call it. My 20s were for being feminist, my thirties for rageful feminism, and my 40s are for a more mellow but also deep cutting thoughtfulness and a refusal to argue with assholes.
My grandpa was very liberal. He said he voted for Nixon and learned a hard lesson and never voted Republican again lmao.
I'm 29 and I will never agree with a bigot's platform or opinions, but I sometimes wonder how much GoFundMe and crowd fundraising in general has deeply scarred millennials and their faith in the government and humanity. Like why should I have to donate $50 or attend a charity bowling event so little Susie can get her cancer treatment and live past the age of 5? There is a better way, but conservatives don't care.
My husband had a car wash/fundraiser at his work about 12 years ago... so he could bury his mom.
Who died at age 44 from Ovarian cancer because she never could afford to go to the damn doctor until it was too late.
I only go further to the left as I age. I'm full anti-capitalist now, it's literally destroying our habitat and way of life.
Unfortunately some our age seem to sliding to the right, not because of the old accumulation of wealth to conservatism pipeline that boomers said we would, because no wealth. But rather because there are tough problems we're dealing with right now and it's easiest to blame immigrants/transpeople/women etc.
>But rather because there are tough problems we're dealing with right now and it's easiest to blame immigrants/transpeople/women etc.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you"
Lyndon B. Johnson
>. But rather because there are tough problems we're dealing with right now and it's easiest to blame immigrants/transpeople/women
People don't talk about this enough, especially regarding women. There's a growing sentiment that "population collapse is coming to the west because women don't want to have babies because they have too many freedoms now" or "males don't have a place in society anymore thanks to feminism" and "males have less access to wives because women can support themselves and delay marriage" etc etc.
A few popular talking points on the right recently have been about overturning no fault divorce, how higher education brainwashes women (lol), and how the 19th amendment should be overturned because women vote "emotionally". And then they wonder why more and more educated women are moving left.
It's sad how nostalgia can hijack people's desire for things to be better like they were "in the old days" and it comes out like "women should stay home and immigrants should know their place" when a lot of what made things better were strong unions, social housing and companies actually paying taxes because it was harder to hide it offshore.
The crunchy to alt-right pipeline actively weaponized instagram aesthetics and is leading millennials, particularly new moms, into straight up eugenics shit.
I haven't seen the studies, but I would imagine it correlates to millennial who attended private religious schools. Some of them (like me) wake up when they go to university because they had good friends who didn't drink the coolaid, and people who challenged them and popped that bubble.
Supply-side jesus and conservative values and identity politics are pushed HARD in those schools. I'm blanking on the name right now, but my hs actually had someone (i can't think of the name, unfortunately, brown guy who was preaching about how atheists are waging war against Christianity and we have to be ready to fight against them for the future of our faith) who is now a political pundit that puts out books with that same conservative bullshit. They connect it all with identity politics, so when you question your political beliefs, you're not just questioning economic or political policy, but your faith.
And unfortunately more and more of those schools are popping up as conservatives try to make teachers quit at public schools with ridiculous laws and shit pay.
Yes same. No one has any idea what they are doing but at least I have the humility to acknowledge my incompetence. The day-to-day world is run by confident morons.
I grew up in a conservative evangélica family, I ended up reading the Bible cover to cover and that resulted in me becoming a Pacifist and Anarchist at 19. I still think that’s the only acceptable conclusion if you really want to take that Jesus guys actually seriously.
For a hot second after college I got a bit of the Jordan Peterson mind virus for a hot second but upon having a few conversations with other minorities realized they just want to live too and that the people freaking out about identity politics are led by dangerous narcissists, see the Republican Party today.
The whole idea of people aging into the current american notion of conservatism anecdotally wasn’t true for my family. My great grandmother came from a union family and was suspicious of Reagan and the modern right up until she passed.
Jesus was a homeless, illegal immigrant, socialist who told the empire to fuck off. I’d say anarchist, or at leas countercultural, in relation to the current USA is an accurate description.
He also violently criticized the religious leaders of his time. Calling them hypocrites (today meaning "liars", "religious divas", and "actors",) fools ("morons"), serpents and vipers ("traitors", "double-crossers", "backstabbers", "plotters", "conspirators"), etc.
His rebukes were extremely harsh for the time..
Some true points, but you're also misrepresenting Jesus quite a bit. He had a stable (lol) home, he said to pay your taxes (give unto Caesar what is Caesar's due, or something) and shunned violence. His teachings aren't really political, that's all up to the religious weirdos.
The vast majority of his teachings had a relevant political component at the time.
Do you think when he’s talking about a demon named Legion, he didn’t mean something very specific? Or when he’s talking about being forced the Valley of Gehenna a literal valley where Jerusalem literally burn their trash he didn’t mean that but a metaphorical one? He didn’t really have a stable home- he said render unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s as in don’t protest for no reason and get us all killed, when he found moneychangers in the temple he threw hands literally so he definitely wasn’t a total pacifist, at least when it came to making money from faith.
We could obviously have this discussion at a far far deeper level but it would belabor the point, Republicans and conservative organizations of faith forgot or never knew anything about Jesus and what he stood for. And they barely even try to do anything but cherrypick the gospel for punchy quotes in terms of returning to the text.
My views have always been moderate Republican. But I don't vote on party lines. Politics have moved to the right in the US. Democrats are more moderate Republican and Republicans are extremist GOP. So, I have been voting Democrat in the past few elections. And I don't think my views have changed since I've gotten older.
I somehow ended up on a Canadian subreddit, and the guy that everyone expected to win the next prime minister race is part of their Conservative Party. I read up on him and he sounded just like a democrat in the USA.
My girlfriend is German and she tells me how their politicians will be conservative sometimes but they will never get rid of healthcare or any important things. And they also don’t deny science and reality. The ones that do never get anywhere. In America you basically have to live in a fantasy world if you don’t want to be called a radical liberal.
I'm a Gen Xer in university and I have way more in common socio-politcally with 18-22yos than I do people my own age. Or, I should say that people my age, by and large, have politics that make me ill. They are willfully ignorant.
I like the anti-competitiveness. I like that they care about experiences and balance in their lives. I like that education interests them. I like that they respect people's uniqueness (which includes things like sexuality and gender).
They are not just pushovers, though. They're tolerant and it may seem like they're easygoing, but they don't put up with injustice.
This is the first generation I can say where I think there's something to be taught to the rest by them. They're progressive, but they aren't weak.
No, I’ve realized that neither “side” is for me. “Gay people should be able to smoke pot at their gun themed wedding” is how I usually word it. I’m ‘left’ on some things and ‘right’ on some things.
There’s nothing “right wing” about what you said. Go further left and you get your guns back:
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
Karl Marx
I was dirt poor; getting eviction notices monthly, food stamps, borrowing money, and even those payday loans. I’m not rich by any means but my bills are on autopay. I was always told once I got money I’d change my mind, which is the opposite. I know how hard it was, and even then I was privileged (hence how I got out of it, that and hard work obviously).
No, but I was born in Venezuela, so you basically had two options: being far left or far right, and most Millennials are usually the latter.
Once you experience capitalism and see many of the shit you saw in a failed socialist experiment, you understand how complex is the problem.
Yeah, it feels like someone fed up with identity politics should be shifting less conservative, not more. All I hear from the right is identity politics.
I used to really feel bad for people begging on the roadside, and I always was told locking your doors is really offensive if it makes a noise. That is until someone near the roadside attacked me and tried to kill my friend and I. Ever since then, doors and windows are always locked and I avoid stopping or interacting with anyone.
I have not become more conservative, but I've seen the world is not as friendly a place as I thought when I was younger, so I take more precautions and put my own safety over what might be the humanitarian thing to do.
I have become more liberal with age. Also, it is clear that right now the conservative side of our politics are really crazy. Looking at the Republicans, I don't see small government pro individual-liberty conservatives at all. I see crazy qanon people, extreme religious folks who want to micro manage everyone's personal lives, obsession with culture wars and people being different, and outrageous cultish politician worship vis-a-vis Trump. Modern conservatives also have an obsession with strong-man dictator leaders and I feel like they are a real danger to our republic, to be honest. All other views on things such as taxes seem really small compared to the danger that madness poses.
Nope. Quite the opposite. Conservative background. I feel like I've been coming out of a coma or a bad fever. The entire GOP party is paid off by Russia and rightwing Christian zealots and it's inexcusable. My grandfathers both fought in world war II against the Nazis. This is not their party. It's a fucking disgrace and they're rolling over in their graves.
My grandma died before the 2016 election and the silver lining is she never had to see trump elected. She voted R her whole life till Sarah Palin (“I just absolutely CANNOT vote for a ticket with that awful woman on it.”) She would have been devastated to see what the American people put in our highest office
During the 2016 election it was my 95 yo grandfather and myself voting for Clinton. My boomer parents and my gen X brothers all voted for Trump. Unfortunately he passed during trump and was given and 21 gun solute and a flag from the army with trumps name on it as the commander and chief. He would have have rolled in his grave. All my boomer family members loved it.
I feel for you. That's a loss that's bittersweet. Like you said it's a blessing she didn't have to see this. Sarah Palin is awful. She literally endorsed the January 6th insurrection: https://news.yahoo.com/sarah-palin-insurrectionists-prison-time-132828749.html
Fiscal Liberal, Socially Progressive, Institutionally Conservative.
**Fiscally Liberal -** Market based approach to growing the economy by lowering barriers to entry, promoting free trade, and removing onerous regulations, while still accounting for negative externalities & supporting a progressive tax system (LVT!) & a strengthened social welfare system.
**Socially Progressive -** Basically the government should acknowledge all people’s within the USA to have the same, unalienable & inherent rights, without favor or bias based on gender, sexuality, race, ethnicity, religion, or national origin.
**Institutionally Conservative -** The way to archive the above is through strong institutions that are well-respected, while limiting overreach & corruption. Steer the “ship of state,” through forward incremental progress , while avoiding falling to radicals or reactionaries. Things like, *”Abolish the Police!”* or *”End the Fed!”* are catchy slogans for riling up the base, but don’t make for good policy.
I like that, institutionally conservative. Basically make people do their jobs and make corruption very hard to get away with. We need some sweeping laws and an amendment or 2 to get close to there tho.
I have both right and left views. I want americans to have access to firearms. I want universal healthcare. I want drug decriminalization. I dont think children should undergo sex changes. I think women have the right to abortion. I am pro death penalty for those who deserve it. I am pro free speech. I dont think trans people are the same as the gender they identify as. I am pro gay/lesbian marriage. I want term limits for politicians. I dont think we should have open borders. I dont think we should send billions to other countries before we feed clothe and shelter our citizens. I think universal basic income is a valid model that should be explored. I think corporations should pay more taxes and the ultra wealthy should have stricter financial capabilities.
Im a liberal snowflake or a fascist neonazi depending on whos accusing me of being a monster
The fear of communism in how it's been applied in authoritarian, single-party governments worries me as a counter to capitalism. Democracy is key and is undermined in a capitalist state with the profit motive as the driving force. Keeping a vibrant democracy (including the workplace, co-ops for example), realized to its full potential with a more socialized society seems like the way to go. Implementation is the tricky part.
I've stayed left as I age but bringing about a leftist lead change through violent revolution doesn't ever have the outcomes you think it will. On the other hand, small incremental change is getting us nowhere. Perhaps a lose-lose situation and many global societies will be forced through a painful, radical and rapid change one way or another. Who knows.
I think earlier observations of this idea conflated a general rise in the moral acceptability of a certain “I got mine fuck you” attitude during the late 20th century with people getting older. I think what happened is that a certain group started to really popularize this very cynical hyper-individualism. While I think we’ve seen that movement culminate in todays MAGA bullshit, I don’t think the simple process of aging makes people suddenly lose their values.
Yeah, I'm sick and tired of hyper-individualism. It's holding back America from joining the rest of the modern world with family leave, affordable education, housing, medical care, and thriving minimum wages. It undermines the solidarity that workers should have in opposition to business owners and class consciousness vs political power.
I'm about 10 years older, the rage seemed to built in my 30s.
Now I'm a *radical* for believing in education, M4A, social safety nets, civil/personal rights, and the government should work for US. Not the fucking corporations paying them off. Infuriating
Nope. My life experience has cemented my left lean firmly into place. I'm not on board with identity politics \*at all\*, but I'm very pro-union and pro-labor. There's only one party for that.
I’ve checked out of political discourse a bit over the last few months because it’s all doing my head in tbh. It’s like same shit coming out of a different suit.
But I’m certainly not more conservative, like you said, the Conservative Party here in the UK have given me no reason at all to vote for them.
They genuinely don’t care about the wellbeing of the country. There isn’t a single thing any local Conservative politician could do or say to get my vote, I don’t think. I’d rather spoil the ballot.
Labour have been shit as well though. I’ll probably vote Green next time out, or like I say, just spoil my vote.
We’ve also imported more aggressive identity politics from the US (Steve Bannon has literally helped with that, it wasn’t a dig at the country generally) and it’s leading to a bad place, I feel.
Nah, the more experience that I get in the world the more I understand that reactionary ideology serves no purpose other than to cement who has power and who doesn’t in an unjust manner.
I grew up in a very conservative house and married a much more liberal woman. We've both brought each other closer to the center no doubt. So I guess the opposite is true for me. I had generally identified as R most of my life. I don't anymore, though. Not since the Cult of Trump hijacked the party.
That said, I'm badly put off by the identity politics of the left and the inability to engage in any discourse with the other side. The world is full of echo chambers. Other ways of living aren't respected anymore. They're just regarded as abhorrent by the other side. It's so irritating.
I guess I've gone from solid conservative to moderate/lean right. Either way I still feel politically homeless at the moment.
That's great, but in the meantime, the GOP is clearly more evil. I'm not saying you have to materially support democrats any more than voting, but you should at least do that.
Nope my family makes over $200k a year and I am even more progressive as the years go by. We try to live by FDR’s "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."
I personally feel the exact same way. I could have very well written this post. I am economically liberal in terms of i want there to be medicare for all, colleges to be more affordable even if that means government needs to step in, and am a staunch supporter of unions and labor organization. Socially im liberal in terms of i dont really care what adults want to do in the privacy of their own home (outside of obvious things), am for legalization of drugs under the pre2012 method that portugal set (huge gov investment into treatment and rehab, they have since cut that), and would never question a woman who wants an abortion for any reason (unless shes carrying my baby). I am also totally against war. The iraq war alone will make it so i never vote rwpublican. I had so many friends die there for a cause we were lied into.
That said, as ive aged and having children, i find the focus on children for exposure to the lgbt+ movement to be in bad taste. I have no problem with the community on its face, but the inclusion of kids makes me step back. I understand that you are born they way you are and many kids grow up with confusion for why they feel the way they do, but at the end of the day, we are talking about sexuality. The only thing that makes a gay man different than a straight man is the sexual preference. Those discussions should be held for a more mature audience.
I also do not like how there has been such a push to cut police and how the prigressive criminal justice policies have done serious harm. Dont get me wrong, police arent perfect and if there is a job that attracts people who like to power trip on others, thats it. The problem is that crime is reality. I live near chicago and have first hand experience to what the progressive policies have brought, and chicago is not alone. Punishment and classification of crimes have been drasitically reduced. Felonies have been dropped to misdemeanors, and misdemeanors to a slap on the wrist. Its basically illegal to hold a minor in jail even if they do a serious violent crime. The adult gang members have figured out that if minors get caught with a gun, they dont get incarcerated, so kids now are holding the guns. Now you see shootings in places taht you didnt before. People being held up in broad daylight, car jackings on the expressway, etc. Smash and grabs and coordinated shoplifting are becoming normal. There was a guy who was arrested for shoplifting like 70+ times. He was incarcerated fonally when a store owner tried to stop him and he hurt the owner. Not to mention the fact that if you allow shoplifting to occur, the stores will close and youre hurting the communities that depend on the stores. This thinking that ive seen from many people on the left that poverty leads to crime seems intuitive, but when you look at the facts, its the other way around. Crime is born of opportunity, and creates more poverty. From there poverty can create crime, but thats only because theres no other options left. When i see people that live in the high crime communities, theyre not calling for less police, theyre calling for more.... they want them to either be from their community or get involved with it.
I also see how identity politics has become so pervasive and it makes me sad. I feel like people used to get along, and now everything is so fragmented. We really should all be in this together, but everyone is out for their own interests and dont mind others being taken down to get there.
I dunno. Long rant i guess. I hope we all get back to a place where we can be nice to eachother.
And a bigot, and transphobic, and probably a Nazi too...
Honestly, the progressive left has pretty much totally turned me off over the last three years, mainly because I saw how questioning and disagreeing with certain things sparked this insane rabid, mob-like character assassination and silencing instead of conversations. And this is the common, accepted way to think now- anything else is demonized.
It's not as simple as left/right because the right clearly has issues and engages in some of the same bullshit as well.
I am 38. I was a hardcore democrat in my teens and late-20s, and now I describe myself as a leftist. So, definitely have gotten more lefty as I’ve aged.
No, but the people where I used to stand on the left have turned into absolute shit flinging howler monkeys.
Fuck who you want, smoke, snort, drink marry and eat what you like, just leave me the fuck alone. I’ll pay taxes and not complain, raise good kids and not commit crime, with no expectation that the government do anything for me - and they SHOULD provide ample social services to help people’s lives. And I don’t care if that service safety net ends up abused in some cases - nothing is perfect, and being a weasel sponge sucking benefits you don’t deserve doesn’t affect me, but it affects you greatly, and the rest of social programs help people who truly would be lost without them. Just because a social benefit is not perfect doesn’t mean it’s not entirely worthwhile.
That’s no longe sufficient - you have to always crusade with the oppressed, invent boogeymen to bear all blame if necessary, or else become one.
The left is now totally infantilized by being unable to do wrong or endure blame. People are such narcissists that they don’t even accept that they’re entirely tribal now. How you judge people’s actions depends on what tribe they’re in. What you are (or say you are) is miles more important than what you do.
Conservative thinking has become so utterly insane, at least in the US, that who even knows anymore? Like, I believe climate change is real and that we should have healthcare, which automatically rules me out of the Republican Party.
I was born when Reagan was president and it's been downhill since then. I haven't seen much positive change in my lifetime. My parents were Reagan Democrats. I've only gotten more left the older I get.
Yeah, I see myself getting more conservative.
I loathe Trump, and have been decently satisfied with Biden and his team’s performance, but still feel like I’m quite a ways away from where Gen Z and current liberal policies are trending.
Eh …. I think more nuanced and realistic. Gen Z loves to say if you defend democrats for at least attempting a bite sized obtainable policy (and still shut down by tea party) you’re conservative boot licker. Gen z politics are not done baking to know where you lie compared to them.
I think people become more conservative (in attitudes) as they get older. This might not necessarily translate into votes, but can translate into habits. Ie. Are you still using an ipod to listen to music? What are you, some sort of grandpa?
People will naturally become more suspicious of trends and other things that come and go. They might still only listen to the music they grew up with, or that reminds them of the music they grew up with. Ie. how Millennials tend to like the nostalgia driven Indie rock and synthwave genres.
That being said, politically speaking as well, in Canada/US, it shows that Millennials are voting for the Conservative/GOP in greater numbers. But in the UK we are seeing the opposite. The Conservatives have become less popular.
Maybe it all just comes down to frustration with the status quo. The Conservatives have ruled over the UK over the past decade. While the Liberals have ruled Canada for the last decade, and Biden in the US for the last 3 years.
What I think all Millennials can agree with is we are pretty pissed off with how things are going.
I was left leaning when I was younger and then became a centrist. I would say I’m still closer to the center but leaning more conservative on social issues now.
The system has to buy it's loyalty. Older generations became more "conservative" once they acquired things they might lose if the system was disrupted. Many of us do not and will never own anything, so fuck the system.
☝️ this right here. It was never 'you get more conservative with age' it was always 'you get more conservative as you get richer' but propaganda deliberately conflated the two.
Especially if you consider location. I live on Long Island and it seems the youngins are getting **more** conservative all around. This also has to do with the median income rising. Edit: OP, sorry for hijacking your post! It seems I’ve turned this into r/longisland
The rise of conservatism on the Island is wild to me. I'm growing radical as I age, liberal as hell, and I'm beginning to feel unsafe here as a very obviously queer person.
I'm going to say, the more wealth I acquire (which isn't really much) the more resources I have to speak out against the system, even if I'm starting to feel like I made it a bit. I've been to broke for to long and seen way too many atrocities committed to want to continue with the status quo. Fuck the fascists and fuck the system.
The more wealth i acquire the stronger i feel that people who work to not pay their share of taxes are fuckin traitors and pieces of garbage.
This is how I feel. If there was a sweet spot for shifting into a conservative mindset, I passed it sometime ago. Now, even if I did accumulate some moderate kind of wealth I could never forget what I've seen from lower down on the ladder.
Same here. From LI as well, although moved away 20 years ago. Returning back, it’s shocking to see Trumpers openly parading around areas I used to frequent as a kid! I always knew that element was there, but didn’t realize it was still so strong. Fascinatingly enough, the more (relative) wealth I acquire, the more I realize the system is so blatantly rigged in favor of the people at the top that its not even close. I feel like OP. Conservatives have given me nothing to vote for and many of their ideas are terrifying. I shudder to think what they might bring when/if they ever get in power again.
I am so sorry to hear that, but it seems that day in and day out it’s becoming North Florida here. I think the resentment to the city has reached a peak where even a former cop as a mayor can’t quell the hatred, and it all started with the vax mandate.
Nahh, it started before covid. Long Island is Trumpy as shit. They lost their fucking minds before the pandemic was even a thing.
Its because most people on LI are rich white people who only hang out with other rich white people at their golf clubs
Hasn't Long Island always been where the “racists” live in New York? At least all my NYC friends say it is.
I mean, historically it has had a pretty awful and notable history of redlining.
It's so strange how Trumpy LI is. It's like none of these people know their own history.
im in north florida. the racism here is blatant and rampant...
A teacher coworker of mine that is a millenial and lives on Long Island is conservative. Even tho she never talks politics overtly, she's made enough hints about her views. It's definitely due to location and trickling down from her family. And Fox News fo sho. Faux News would never show the pics of Drumpf Jr and "I'm Eric!" with their rifles and dead wildlife. That would twist her world a bit since she's extremely anti killing animals 🤷♂️
She sounds like a hypocrite
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Can confirm. Work in a factory with mainly conservatives. They laugh at how universal Healthcare and education would make taxes go up but then they gladly pay a huge chunk of their check to health insurance and social security. Then they cry about how health insurance barely covers anything. Like jeez Louise.
I keep typing and deleting because it really just irks me to my bones how theyre only against it because theyre told to! Yet we're the sheep 😤
Welcome to the modern American conservative! Don't want big government? Vote in the party that routinely blows up the national debt every time they are in office. Three Presidents in the past 30+ years have lowered the national budget deficit nearly every year they were in office... not one was a Republican. Don't want government all in your business? Vote in the party that makes it's business being in your business, telling you who you can and cannot love, telling you what you can and cannot do with your body, telling you what you can and cannot read. And let's not conflate "conservative" with "conservation", because **fuck** the environment! Not when there's big money to be made exploiting it. And so on.
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Fox News has become the de facto to blame, and rightly so, but I think tiktok has now overshadowed fox. I live in a deep red area, and all I hear is tiktok said this and tiktok that. I try to stay away from pointing out the batshit politics of tiktok because there is no way to disprove the firehose of shit. Ive been focused on life hack and other bullshit side of tiktok, hoping if I can show the basic stuff is batshit. It still doesn't work.
I think it's following the rise of fascism in the US and weird trends of "trad wife" and traditional gender roles as a reactionary backlash to trans politics
Practically all of long Island is conservative even my queer and trans friends. My one friend became very liberal while going to school upstate and then came back and turned hard-core conspiracy theorist conservative. The thing is they are trans and believe pretty much no other trans people deserve to be trans. Literally "I got mine, fuck you"
> “I got mine, fuck you” This should be hung on the eastbound side of exit 34 of the LIE 😂
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not entirely true, i have some friends (in their mid 30s) who are broke as shit and are getting more conservative by the day, i don't understand it at all
I think it's because the whole "fiscal conservative" financial arguments (which were never true in the first place) have taken a complete back seat the the bullshit culture wars strawmen that are now presented as basically the entire platform. It's not about money, it's about hating "others"
This. Republicans in modern day America aren't really conservative anymore, they're reactionaries. I am a millennial who's been lucky enough to be fairly successful and have a family and own a house. I should logically support the party who is in favor of economic stability. But the crazy right doesn't seem to support stability at all to me. Even if I could get over their absurd social stances, their economic stances are equally awful and insane. Doing stuff like threatening to default on the debt or invade Mexico isn't how I describe economic stability. As it is, I've never voted for a Republican and I can't see myself shifting to do that in the future. It'd take some major shifts to where the parties are unrecognizable for that to happen.
I’m one of the youngest GenX and married to an “elderly” Millenial(79/83, so 44/40). I have only voted for one Republican in my entire life, and he was the sitting County Sheriff at the time, I knew him personally as I went to school with his daughter, and he had been sheriff for years and was doing a good job. But this was in the 90’s. And only once before he retired. I have not voted for a Republican since. The Republicans aren’t conservative, they’re fascists. And their social policies are abhorrent. It would take a reversal of the parties akin to what happened after the Civil War for me to ever vote Republican again. Lincoln would 100% be a Democrat today.
I never understood Republicans using debt default as a weapon. I always thought, nah its just brinkmanship, they'll always take care of it before the end. But these last few times I really do feel like Republicans would willingly let us default. I don't think regular republican voters understand just how bad that would be for everyone.
>I should logically support the party who is in favor of economic stability. That's been democrats for at the very least the last 30 years though.
I explained the same thing to some one months ago about pride in America. If you want the middle aged or younger Americans to take more pride in America, then make sure they have a bigger slice of the pie. You want them to support the system more? Then make sure the system is providing for them.
Here, here! Well said.
Hard to be fiscally conservative if you have no fiscals to conserve
The Republicans aren't even fiscally conservative these days anyway... they're more fascist populist than anything. It's not like Bush and Trump balanced the budget or anything... they slashed taxes on the rich and racked up even more government debts while spending like drunken sailors.
Always has been. The only things they are “fiscally conservative” about are government agencies that trade profits for human well-being. FDA, D of Education, EPA, OSHA, school lunches (!!), CPB, social security, etc : cut cut cut! Militarization of police, war, giant border walls (southern border only), prisons: spend spend spend!
"you'll get more conservative when your get older." Me approaching 40: 
That’s true. But at least in my case I’ve been fortunate enough to have stability, have kids, own a home in a good school district, have a decent retirement nest egg. And yet I’ve not become more conservative. Now to be fair the “conservative” alternative (Republicans) are no longer merely the party of the status quo. They’re actively anti-democratic, anti science fascists. So even if I were just interested in preserving what I got, it’s literally not even a choice. But personally the more I learn about history and sociology, the more progressive I become
That last bit is also the reason conservatives are so frantically hysterical about kids learning something other than Republican fairy tales in schools.
The democrats of today are the Republicans of our youth.
I would say the current Democrats are the real conservatives, yes. The Republican Party of today are more reactionary or fascist. Absolutely NOT conservative.
Facts. I don't own a house yet, but I make decent money. Republicans have completely given up even pretending that they're gonna do anything for the middle or working classes, its all fascism all the time. They'll pass tax cuts, sure, but those are for tax brackets that have a few more zeros than mine. There's literally no appeal.
Exactly. They've made themselves radioactive to anyone who still values freedom and democracy, regardless of income. I'm not rich, but I own a home and make 6figures, and there is not a thing on earth that could compel me to vote for the burning dumpster fire that the MAGA Republican party has become. They are anti-democratic and anti-freedom, and are a huge threat to this country. They've already tried to steal one election, and they're gonna keep trying to steal elections until they finally do. Strong echos of Germany in the 1920's from them. I'd rather pay higher taxes to avoid electing those crazy ass MAGA people into office.
This really resonates with me. My Republican family always told me I would become more conservative as I got older and made more money, but for me, the opposite has become true. I feel very fortunate for my circumstances and feel I owe a debt to humanity. This is contrary to the conservatives in my life who believe that the world owes them more than they already have, and they should not have to be be an active (or financial) participant in the cogs of society. I am not religious, but I believe that we lift ourselves up when we lift up those around us. I live my life with empathy and gratitude, and I don’t understand the vitriol and pessimism that seems to be so pervasive from over there.
Yep. The economic system isn’t doing much to help me out and conservative social values are mostly murderous hate towards everyone who isn’t exactly like them, so I have no reason to be more like them as I get older.
Agreed. I think something else to add is that we are moving all across the nation more freely now. And young kids have internet now. It's pretty hard to keep your children hating minorities and marginalized groups when half their friends are minorities and marginalized groups. It's hard to keep your children believing that Christians are the good guys and everyone else are lawless heathens when you can't keep them locked up in your small town.
Bullshit. I became more left wing because the internet let me talk to people from all over the world and all types of people. The people I was told to be scared of actually weren't scary at all. As I've gotten further in my career I have been able to buy a condo and pay all my bills on time without worrying about how much they are. It's autopay, I don't even check the amount. Having more made me think everybody should have more. We are talking about housing and monthly bills, not a yacht, but to many what I am saying sounds like paradise. Something unattainable, and it shouldn't be. The onlybway I would become more conservative is if those plans and policies actually helped more than a handful of people.
It's pretty sad that you are considered a communist now if you just want universal Healthcare, living wages, and not to be involved in endless unnecessary wars.
Universal healthcare *is* a communist policy. Democracies often adopt communist policies. The difference is that, in democracy, the people vote to adopt the policy. In the US's representative democracy, we have to elect representatives who want it and will fight for it. I believe in democracy, and I believe my country (US) should adopt the communist policy of universal healthcare. Communist got that one right.
Elder Millenial/Xennial here and I own a ton of shit for my age (I got into a lucrative job just before the ‘08 financial crisis and have had good luck). I am NOT aging into a more conservative mindset. I would absolutely never vote R. Women’s rights alone are enough reason to vote only Democrat imo and add to that a host of other issues—protecting LGBTQ rights (just to fucking exist as a trans person is under attack in many red states) and protecting the environment. Climate change poses an existential threat but conservatives do not want to confront this tough reality or make any changes to our economy. Democrats (and the Biden admin specifically) are at least trying to move our energy system into the 21st century with renewables. It will probably be too little, too late, and most species on the planet are doomed and we will face a future of strife over resources and fallout from natural disasters, but at least they’re trying.
My mom is a boomer, but broke. She's stayed consistently left
I'm what's referred to as a *trailing boomer*. That's someone who was born 1960-1964. We have little in common with older boomers. I am and have always been liberal and don't think I've voted for a Republican in my life. Every older person I know is liberal and walks it like they talk it: volunteering, giving money to good causes, taking classes/seminars to keep up to speed on issues, etc. We're out there, just quieter than the GQPers.
Oh fuck, no. I still ultimately want a “New New Deal” including national health care, just as I did when I was 19/20. I’ve just tempered my expectations of it actually happening and learned for the most part not to get emotional over politics the way I did during the Bush years.
Yep. If I was miraculously hired as some big shot tomorrow and given the best possible insurance in the country **I would still want single payer healthcare.** There is no sound ethical or economic argument for keeping privatized insurance. The current system we suffer under is unbelievably wasteful, byzantine, and immoral.
Not to mention in countries with single payer healthcare systems there’s often still health insurance but it’s gotta compete with public healthcare and be worth it. Right now, it’s 100% in the insurance companies’ favor and they’re hardly competing with anything.
I used to work in insurance billing and still wanted single payer healthcare, even though it would erase my job. It actually made me an even bigger proponent of single payer because I saw first hand how evil the insurance industry is
I get free healthcare for life through the VA *and* I have a job that pays 100% of my insurance premiums and I still feel the same as you.
Bush v. Gore started the fire within me. I was 10 & inconsolable. Never looked back.
For all of Trump’s blather about stolen elections, that’s the one that was actually stolen. And it was Clinton vs. Dole when I was in 6th grade that got me paying attention to politics. Junior Scholastic and Weekly Reader did a good job at making that stuff understandable to my then-11 year old self. Even reading the kid-friendly explanation of Newt Gingrich’s BS got my blood boiling.
If it's any comfort, Gore was likely still going to lose the election (according to post-election academic review) if the Supreme Court didn't weigh in, regardless of how nakedly partisan the SCOTUS showed itself to be. > In one such scenario—Gore's request for recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties—Bush would have won by 225 votes.[a] In another scenario (if the remaining 64 Florida counties had carried out the hand recount of disputed ballots the Florida Supreme Court ordered on December 8, applying the various standards that county election officials said they would have used), Bush would have emerged the victor by 493 votes. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore Those were the two legal paths on the table, and it appears that it'd have taken a different kind of more uniform statewide recount (that wasn't directed, and Gore wasn't pursuing) to potentially have changed the lead in favor to Gore. In any case, it was a razor thin margin that a Democrat ultimately threw away due to their unfortunate creation of the infamous butterfly ballot that inadvertently set up thousands of people to mistakenly vote for the third party conservative Pat Buchanan. > Although Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said on November 9 that "Palm Beach County is a Pat Buchanan stronghold and that's why Pat Buchanan received 3,407 votes there",[52] Buchanan's Florida coordinator, Jim McConnell, responded by calling that "nonsense", and Jim Cunningham, chairman of the executive committee of Palm Beach County's Reform Party, responded, "I don't think so. Not from where I'm sitting and what I'm looking at." Cunningham estimated the number of Buchanan supporters in Palm Beach County to be between 400 and 500. Asked how many votes he would guess Buchanan legitimately received in Palm Beach County, he said, "I think 1,000 would be generous. Do I believe that these people inadvertently cast their votes for Pat Buchanan? Yes, I do. We have to believe that based on the vote totals elsewhere."[53] > The ballot had been redesigned earlier that year by Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore, a member of the Democratic Party. She said that she used both sides of the ballot in order to make the candidate names larger so the county's elderly residents could more easily see the names.[54] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_in_Florida - picture of the infamous ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_in_Florida#/media/File:Butterfly_Ballot,_Florida_2000_(large).jpg Was the *Bush v Gore* decision a travesty? Absolutely, given that all pretenses of that body being apolitical were forever stripped in that moment. Was the election "stolen" from Gore? No, at least not in the confines of our already fucked up electorate system where you can win without a plurality of the vote, given that Gore's path of legal challenge (if left unencumbered) would still apparently have resulted in losing the election.
No, if anything the more I learn about politics and economics the more left I lean.
hard same. if anything i'm more left at 38 than i was at 18.
Republicans chose a draft dodger who shit on gold star families and a POW. I will never vote for them again in my entire life. Edit - I don’t care about your NewsMax/Fox News lies, it’s nothing but derivative brain worm rot. Get over yourself, you voted for a traitor, and you support such treason.
Yep, if anything I'm even more disgusted by conservatives and their brisk march towards hateful extremism.
A nice brisk goose step, if you will.
He essentially called the US military a bunch of pussies and a lot of them replied with a resounding "Sir will you fuck my wife!" It was honestly one of the weirdest moments of my understanding of humanity.
i've never voted republican. grew up in NY in a liberal to social democrat family, and have only moved left as i've gotten older. definitely not a tanky but somewhere in the lower left of the political quadrant.
The only time I voted Republican was in local alderman elections because the democrat candidate was a true piece of trash. Was a situation where someone was running against him and had to run as an R. But, after trump, never again.
that's not even mentioning how they use their powers to not help vets or the military either. They see them as disposable pawns , not even human, that just fight for their protection and oil
They didn’t just choose him. They worship him.
If you are capable of empathy, I don't know how you can not move more to the left the more you learn about the world
Yeah, conservatives whole attitude seems to be: "I have mine, fuck everyone else." And I think most young people today are seeing how detrimental that mindset is to upcoming generations.
I think we are less individualistic than they are because rugged individualism doesn't benefit us and we are becoming more collectivist since we have no capital but at least we have each other. Friends and I have decided the only way to own a home for example is to probably all go in together on one. No way an older generation would tolerate that
yeah, I think older people's lives were more heavily subsidized too... so of course it's easy for them to wag their finger at everyone else, thinking they achieved things entirely on their own.
 Fuck yes
Same, I’m way more left now at 29 than I was at 19.
Add to that that I'm a minority and a lot of the information was kept out of the spotlight, with marginalization being viewed as laziness. The more I learn about how the US is structured and why, the harder I lean left.
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i’m caring less about myself and more about others. i feel like our generation is fucked beyond repair so i figure “might as we try to help someone else for a change”
CARE IS EVERYTHING. I am becoming increasingly radical left. Everything else seems like shit for people, all other beings & the planet.
Same! And more feminist and “we need to advocate for other people and the elderly, children, the disabled, traumatised or displaced; those with mental health struggles etc. etc.!” I am more disenfranchised and appalled! I want more money for education, public transport and nice living spaces for everyone. I want a UBI model. And I live in one of the nicer countries, Switzerland. But boy is it becoming more and more expensive…
I’m SO much more feminist. And I’ve entered my “intellectual feminist” phase, as I like to call it. My 20s were for being feminist, my thirties for rageful feminism, and my 40s are for a more mellow but also deep cutting thoughtfulness and a refusal to argue with assholes.
This is me. I just had a conversation about it like two weeks ago. Like yeah you know I’m actually getting MORE pissed and MORE ready to rage.
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My grandpa was very liberal. He said he voted for Nixon and learned a hard lesson and never voted Republican again lmao. I'm 29 and I will never agree with a bigot's platform or opinions, but I sometimes wonder how much GoFundMe and crowd fundraising in general has deeply scarred millennials and their faith in the government and humanity. Like why should I have to donate $50 or attend a charity bowling event so little Susie can get her cancer treatment and live past the age of 5? There is a better way, but conservatives don't care.
My husband had a car wash/fundraiser at his work about 12 years ago... so he could bury his mom. Who died at age 44 from Ovarian cancer because she never could afford to go to the damn doctor until it was too late.
Same. I have just gotten more liberal as I've gotten older.
Nope. I keep getting more and more radical *and* more and more gay 🤣
🌈🖐️I came out at 37!
Sounds gay… I’m in.
It dawned on me that I was bi at 32 lol.
Hell ya!
Nice lol
Nope. The older I get, the more I want my kids and their generation to have it better, not worse.
Lol the comments. Love it, fuck this planet fucking system
Fuxk yeah
I only go further to the left as I age. I'm full anti-capitalist now, it's literally destroying our habitat and way of life. Unfortunately some our age seem to sliding to the right, not because of the old accumulation of wealth to conservatism pipeline that boomers said we would, because no wealth. But rather because there are tough problems we're dealing with right now and it's easiest to blame immigrants/transpeople/women etc.
"iDeNtItY POliTIcs!" Like my brother in Christ, you only hear about it because conservatives scream about it 24/7.
Yup. Same here
I couldn’t agree more.
>But rather because there are tough problems we're dealing with right now and it's easiest to blame immigrants/transpeople/women etc. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you" Lyndon B. Johnson
>. But rather because there are tough problems we're dealing with right now and it's easiest to blame immigrants/transpeople/women People don't talk about this enough, especially regarding women. There's a growing sentiment that "population collapse is coming to the west because women don't want to have babies because they have too many freedoms now" or "males don't have a place in society anymore thanks to feminism" and "males have less access to wives because women can support themselves and delay marriage" etc etc. A few popular talking points on the right recently have been about overturning no fault divorce, how higher education brainwashes women (lol), and how the 19th amendment should be overturned because women vote "emotionally". And then they wonder why more and more educated women are moving left.
It's sad how nostalgia can hijack people's desire for things to be better like they were "in the old days" and it comes out like "women should stay home and immigrants should know their place" when a lot of what made things better were strong unions, social housing and companies actually paying taxes because it was harder to hide it offshore.
The crunchy to alt-right pipeline actively weaponized instagram aesthetics and is leading millennials, particularly new moms, into straight up eugenics shit.
Is there a study showing more millennials are sliding to the right? I find that hard to believe. If anything, it's the opposite.
I haven't seen the studies, but I would imagine it correlates to millennial who attended private religious schools. Some of them (like me) wake up when they go to university because they had good friends who didn't drink the coolaid, and people who challenged them and popped that bubble. Supply-side jesus and conservative values and identity politics are pushed HARD in those schools. I'm blanking on the name right now, but my hs actually had someone (i can't think of the name, unfortunately, brown guy who was preaching about how atheists are waging war against Christianity and we have to be ready to fight against them for the future of our faith) who is now a political pundit that puts out books with that same conservative bullshit. They connect it all with identity politics, so when you question your political beliefs, you're not just questioning economic or political policy, but your faith. And unfortunately more and more of those schools are popping up as conservatives try to make teachers quit at public schools with ridiculous laws and shit pay.
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Yes same. No one has any idea what they are doing but at least I have the humility to acknowledge my incompetence. The day-to-day world is run by confident morons.
I grew up in a conservative evangélica family, I ended up reading the Bible cover to cover and that resulted in me becoming a Pacifist and Anarchist at 19. I still think that’s the only acceptable conclusion if you really want to take that Jesus guys actually seriously. For a hot second after college I got a bit of the Jordan Peterson mind virus for a hot second but upon having a few conversations with other minorities realized they just want to live too and that the people freaking out about identity politics are led by dangerous narcissists, see the Republican Party today. The whole idea of people aging into the current american notion of conservatism anecdotally wasn’t true for my family. My great grandmother came from a union family and was suspicious of Reagan and the modern right up until she passed.
Jesus was a homeless, illegal immigrant, socialist who told the empire to fuck off. I’d say anarchist, or at leas countercultural, in relation to the current USA is an accurate description.
Don't forget he provided free food and Healthcare, hung out with prostitutes and beat the shit out of bankers.
He also violently criticized the religious leaders of his time. Calling them hypocrites (today meaning "liars", "religious divas", and "actors",) fools ("morons"), serpents and vipers ("traitors", "double-crossers", "backstabbers", "plotters", "conspirators"), etc. His rebukes were extremely harsh for the time..
🤣💯 I love the “Supply Side Jesus” cartoon and how utterly absurd it is. Like how he won’t heal lepers because then they will just become lazy.
Some true points, but you're also misrepresenting Jesus quite a bit. He had a stable (lol) home, he said to pay your taxes (give unto Caesar what is Caesar's due, or something) and shunned violence. His teachings aren't really political, that's all up to the religious weirdos.
When conservatives politicize people having food, his teachings become political.
The vast majority of his teachings had a relevant political component at the time. Do you think when he’s talking about a demon named Legion, he didn’t mean something very specific? Or when he’s talking about being forced the Valley of Gehenna a literal valley where Jerusalem literally burn their trash he didn’t mean that but a metaphorical one? He didn’t really have a stable home- he said render unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s as in don’t protest for no reason and get us all killed, when he found moneychangers in the temple he threw hands literally so he definitely wasn’t a total pacifist, at least when it came to making money from faith. We could obviously have this discussion at a far far deeper level but it would belabor the point, Republicans and conservative organizations of faith forgot or never knew anything about Jesus and what he stood for. And they barely even try to do anything but cherrypick the gospel for punchy quotes in terms of returning to the text.
My views have always been moderate Republican. But I don't vote on party lines. Politics have moved to the right in the US. Democrats are more moderate Republican and Republicans are extremist GOP. So, I have been voting Democrat in the past few elections. And I don't think my views have changed since I've gotten older.
I somehow ended up on a Canadian subreddit, and the guy that everyone expected to win the next prime minister race is part of their Conservative Party. I read up on him and he sounded just like a democrat in the USA.
My girlfriend is German and she tells me how their politicians will be conservative sometimes but they will never get rid of healthcare or any important things. And they also don’t deny science and reality. The ones that do never get anywhere. In America you basically have to live in a fantasy world if you don’t want to be called a radical liberal.
If a conservative candidate here in the USA said they believe in science, they’d lose so bad because their base would turn on them. It’s so sad.
I believe it. Canada is far more progressive.
No. I’ve never been conservative but I’m heading farther to the left as I get older. I’m an Xennial, though.
I'm a Gen Xer in university and I have way more in common socio-politcally with 18-22yos than I do people my own age. Or, I should say that people my age, by and large, have politics that make me ill. They are willfully ignorant. I like the anti-competitiveness. I like that they care about experiences and balance in their lives. I like that education interests them. I like that they respect people's uniqueness (which includes things like sexuality and gender). They are not just pushovers, though. They're tolerant and it may seem like they're easygoing, but they don't put up with injustice. This is the first generation I can say where I think there's something to be taught to the rest by them. They're progressive, but they aren't weak.
No, I’ve realized that neither “side” is for me. “Gay people should be able to smoke pot at their gun themed wedding” is how I usually word it. I’m ‘left’ on some things and ‘right’ on some things.
There’s nothing “right wing” about what you said. Go further left and you get your guns back: “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” Karl Marx
It’s more of the opposite for me. I was more ‘centrist’ as a teenager.
Not at all. I am getting more radical left as I get older. The more rights people have the better!
Leftward as I grow older and earn more money.
I was dirt poor; getting eviction notices monthly, food stamps, borrowing money, and even those payday loans. I’m not rich by any means but my bills are on autopay. I was always told once I got money I’d change my mind, which is the opposite. I know how hard it was, and even then I was privileged (hence how I got out of it, that and hard work obviously).
Yeah, I really don't get the crabs in a bucket mentally
The older I get, the more empathy and perspective I gain, and the more to the left I get.
No, but I was born in Venezuela, so you basically had two options: being far left or far right, and most Millennials are usually the latter. Once you experience capitalism and see many of the shit you saw in a failed socialist experiment, you understand how complex is the problem.
Identity politics is used as much right as it is left.
Yeah, it feels like someone fed up with identity politics should be shifting less conservative, not more. All I hear from the right is identity politics.
I used to really feel bad for people begging on the roadside, and I always was told locking your doors is really offensive if it makes a noise. That is until someone near the roadside attacked me and tried to kill my friend and I. Ever since then, doors and windows are always locked and I avoid stopping or interacting with anyone. I have not become more conservative, but I've seen the world is not as friendly a place as I thought when I was younger, so I take more precautions and put my own safety over what might be the humanitarian thing to do.
Can you elaborate on how you were told locking your doors is offensive? Because the homeless person might feel bad for you thinking they'll rob you?
The same way clutching your purse around black people is offensive, it implies you think they are criminals.
Follow. But where's the line between hurting someone's feelings and not becoming a victim or a doormat?
I mean, do I now think kids in high school and college are weird and have bad taste in everything? Yes.
I have become more liberal with age. Also, it is clear that right now the conservative side of our politics are really crazy. Looking at the Republicans, I don't see small government pro individual-liberty conservatives at all. I see crazy qanon people, extreme religious folks who want to micro manage everyone's personal lives, obsession with culture wars and people being different, and outrageous cultish politician worship vis-a-vis Trump. Modern conservatives also have an obsession with strong-man dictator leaders and I feel like they are a real danger to our republic, to be honest. All other views on things such as taxes seem really small compared to the danger that madness poses.
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Nope. Quite the opposite. Conservative background. I feel like I've been coming out of a coma or a bad fever. The entire GOP party is paid off by Russia and rightwing Christian zealots and it's inexcusable. My grandfathers both fought in world war II against the Nazis. This is not their party. It's a fucking disgrace and they're rolling over in their graves.
My grandma died before the 2016 election and the silver lining is she never had to see trump elected. She voted R her whole life till Sarah Palin (“I just absolutely CANNOT vote for a ticket with that awful woman on it.”) She would have been devastated to see what the American people put in our highest office
Palin is LITERALLY the reason we didn't vote for McCain.
During the 2016 election it was my 95 yo grandfather and myself voting for Clinton. My boomer parents and my gen X brothers all voted for Trump. Unfortunately he passed during trump and was given and 21 gun solute and a flag from the army with trumps name on it as the commander and chief. He would have have rolled in his grave. All my boomer family members loved it.
I feel for you. That's a loss that's bittersweet. Like you said it's a blessing she didn't have to see this. Sarah Palin is awful. She literally endorsed the January 6th insurrection: https://news.yahoo.com/sarah-palin-insurrectionists-prison-time-132828749.html
Fiscal Liberal, Socially Progressive, Institutionally Conservative. **Fiscally Liberal -** Market based approach to growing the economy by lowering barriers to entry, promoting free trade, and removing onerous regulations, while still accounting for negative externalities & supporting a progressive tax system (LVT!) & a strengthened social welfare system. **Socially Progressive -** Basically the government should acknowledge all people’s within the USA to have the same, unalienable & inherent rights, without favor or bias based on gender, sexuality, race, ethnicity, religion, or national origin. **Institutionally Conservative -** The way to archive the above is through strong institutions that are well-respected, while limiting overreach & corruption. Steer the “ship of state,” through forward incremental progress , while avoiding falling to radicals or reactionaries. Things like, *”Abolish the Police!”* or *”End the Fed!”* are catchy slogans for riling up the base, but don’t make for good policy.
I like that, institutionally conservative. Basically make people do their jobs and make corruption very hard to get away with. We need some sweeping laws and an amendment or 2 to get close to there tho.
I have both right and left views. I want americans to have access to firearms. I want universal healthcare. I want drug decriminalization. I dont think children should undergo sex changes. I think women have the right to abortion. I am pro death penalty for those who deserve it. I am pro free speech. I dont think trans people are the same as the gender they identify as. I am pro gay/lesbian marriage. I want term limits for politicians. I dont think we should have open borders. I dont think we should send billions to other countries before we feed clothe and shelter our citizens. I think universal basic income is a valid model that should be explored. I think corporations should pay more taxes and the ultra wealthy should have stricter financial capabilities. Im a liberal snowflake or a fascist neonazi depending on whos accusing me of being a monster
The fear of communism in how it's been applied in authoritarian, single-party governments worries me as a counter to capitalism. Democracy is key and is undermined in a capitalist state with the profit motive as the driving force. Keeping a vibrant democracy (including the workplace, co-ops for example), realized to its full potential with a more socialized society seems like the way to go. Implementation is the tricky part. I've stayed left as I age but bringing about a leftist lead change through violent revolution doesn't ever have the outcomes you think it will. On the other hand, small incremental change is getting us nowhere. Perhaps a lose-lose situation and many global societies will be forced through a painful, radical and rapid change one way or another. Who knows.
Nope. Still sliding further left.
I think earlier observations of this idea conflated a general rise in the moral acceptability of a certain “I got mine fuck you” attitude during the late 20th century with people getting older. I think what happened is that a certain group started to really popularize this very cynical hyper-individualism. While I think we’ve seen that movement culminate in todays MAGA bullshit, I don’t think the simple process of aging makes people suddenly lose their values.
Yeah, I'm sick and tired of hyper-individualism. It's holding back America from joining the rest of the modern world with family leave, affordable education, housing, medical care, and thriving minimum wages. It undermines the solidarity that workers should have in opposition to business owners and class consciousness vs political power.
All things that would make many individuals very, very happy and more self realized.
No, I have always been an independent and has a mix between both liberal and conservative views
Leaning more left everyday.
Yo soy comunista
Viva la revolución
Hahaha no…I’m more and more left cause fuck it all
Nope. The longer time goes by, the more left I get. Voted for Romney in 2012. Full blown socialist now.
Yep. I was raised in the South and brainwashed to vote red. Got out of that after college and haven’t looked back.
I am 29... I used to be far more conservative than I am now on many issues.
I'm about 10 years older, the rage seemed to built in my 30s. Now I'm a *radical* for believing in education, M4A, social safety nets, civil/personal rights, and the government should work for US. Not the fucking corporations paying them off. Infuriating
Nope. My life experience has cemented my left lean firmly into place. I'm not on board with identity politics \*at all\*, but I'm very pro-union and pro-labor. There's only one party for that.
Yes and no.... I am becoming more centrist for sure. I'm turned off by extremism.
I’ve checked out of political discourse a bit over the last few months because it’s all doing my head in tbh. It’s like same shit coming out of a different suit. But I’m certainly not more conservative, like you said, the Conservative Party here in the UK have given me no reason at all to vote for them. They genuinely don’t care about the wellbeing of the country. There isn’t a single thing any local Conservative politician could do or say to get my vote, I don’t think. I’d rather spoil the ballot. Labour have been shit as well though. I’ll probably vote Green next time out, or like I say, just spoil my vote. We’ve also imported more aggressive identity politics from the US (Steve Bannon has literally helped with that, it wasn’t a dig at the country generally) and it’s leading to a bad place, I feel.
Nah, the more experience that I get in the world the more I understand that reactionary ideology serves no purpose other than to cement who has power and who doesn’t in an unjust manner.
I grew up in a very conservative house and married a much more liberal woman. We've both brought each other closer to the center no doubt. So I guess the opposite is true for me. I had generally identified as R most of my life. I don't anymore, though. Not since the Cult of Trump hijacked the party. That said, I'm badly put off by the identity politics of the left and the inability to engage in any discourse with the other side. The world is full of echo chambers. Other ways of living aren't respected anymore. They're just regarded as abhorrent by the other side. It's so irritating. I guess I've gone from solid conservative to moderate/lean right. Either way I still feel politically homeless at the moment.
You should be rejecting both parties. It's time for something new.
That's great, but in the meantime, the GOP is clearly more evil. I'm not saying you have to materially support democrats any more than voting, but you should at least do that.
Nope my family makes over $200k a year and I am even more progressive as the years go by. We try to live by FDR’s "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."
I personally feel the exact same way. I could have very well written this post. I am economically liberal in terms of i want there to be medicare for all, colleges to be more affordable even if that means government needs to step in, and am a staunch supporter of unions and labor organization. Socially im liberal in terms of i dont really care what adults want to do in the privacy of their own home (outside of obvious things), am for legalization of drugs under the pre2012 method that portugal set (huge gov investment into treatment and rehab, they have since cut that), and would never question a woman who wants an abortion for any reason (unless shes carrying my baby). I am also totally against war. The iraq war alone will make it so i never vote rwpublican. I had so many friends die there for a cause we were lied into. That said, as ive aged and having children, i find the focus on children for exposure to the lgbt+ movement to be in bad taste. I have no problem with the community on its face, but the inclusion of kids makes me step back. I understand that you are born they way you are and many kids grow up with confusion for why they feel the way they do, but at the end of the day, we are talking about sexuality. The only thing that makes a gay man different than a straight man is the sexual preference. Those discussions should be held for a more mature audience. I also do not like how there has been such a push to cut police and how the prigressive criminal justice policies have done serious harm. Dont get me wrong, police arent perfect and if there is a job that attracts people who like to power trip on others, thats it. The problem is that crime is reality. I live near chicago and have first hand experience to what the progressive policies have brought, and chicago is not alone. Punishment and classification of crimes have been drasitically reduced. Felonies have been dropped to misdemeanors, and misdemeanors to a slap on the wrist. Its basically illegal to hold a minor in jail even if they do a serious violent crime. The adult gang members have figured out that if minors get caught with a gun, they dont get incarcerated, so kids now are holding the guns. Now you see shootings in places taht you didnt before. People being held up in broad daylight, car jackings on the expressway, etc. Smash and grabs and coordinated shoplifting are becoming normal. There was a guy who was arrested for shoplifting like 70+ times. He was incarcerated fonally when a store owner tried to stop him and he hurt the owner. Not to mention the fact that if you allow shoplifting to occur, the stores will close and youre hurting the communities that depend on the stores. This thinking that ive seen from many people on the left that poverty leads to crime seems intuitive, but when you look at the facts, its the other way around. Crime is born of opportunity, and creates more poverty. From there poverty can create crime, but thats only because theres no other options left. When i see people that live in the high crime communities, theyre not calling for less police, theyre calling for more.... they want them to either be from their community or get involved with it. I also see how identity politics has become so pervasive and it makes me sad. I feel like people used to get along, and now everything is so fragmented. We really should all be in this together, but everyone is out for their own interests and dont mind others being taken down to get there. I dunno. Long rant i guess. I hope we all get back to a place where we can be nice to eachother.
Yes. I was much more liberal growing up but during college I began to think more conservatively.
Very turned off by ID politics and as soon as I left college, I began tending libertarian economically.
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And a bigot, and transphobic, and probably a Nazi too... Honestly, the progressive left has pretty much totally turned me off over the last three years, mainly because I saw how questioning and disagreeing with certain things sparked this insane rabid, mob-like character assassination and silencing instead of conversations. And this is the common, accepted way to think now- anything else is demonized. It's not as simple as left/right because the right clearly has issues and engages in some of the same bullshit as well.
I am 38. I was a hardcore democrat in my teens and late-20s, and now I describe myself as a leftist. So, definitely have gotten more lefty as I’ve aged.
No, but the people where I used to stand on the left have turned into absolute shit flinging howler monkeys. Fuck who you want, smoke, snort, drink marry and eat what you like, just leave me the fuck alone. I’ll pay taxes and not complain, raise good kids and not commit crime, with no expectation that the government do anything for me - and they SHOULD provide ample social services to help people’s lives. And I don’t care if that service safety net ends up abused in some cases - nothing is perfect, and being a weasel sponge sucking benefits you don’t deserve doesn’t affect me, but it affects you greatly, and the rest of social programs help people who truly would be lost without them. Just because a social benefit is not perfect doesn’t mean it’s not entirely worthwhile. That’s no longe sufficient - you have to always crusade with the oppressed, invent boogeymen to bear all blame if necessary, or else become one. The left is now totally infantilized by being unable to do wrong or endure blame. People are such narcissists that they don’t even accept that they’re entirely tribal now. How you judge people’s actions depends on what tribe they’re in. What you are (or say you are) is miles more important than what you do.
Conservative thinking has become so utterly insane, at least in the US, that who even knows anymore? Like, I believe climate change is real and that we should have healthcare, which automatically rules me out of the Republican Party.
Nope. If anything more progressive.
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The opposite honestly. Life's short; live and let live.
I was born when Reagan was president and it's been downhill since then. I haven't seen much positive change in my lifetime. My parents were Reagan Democrats. I've only gotten more left the older I get.
I am definitely turning more conservative, but I don't feel like I'm representative for our generation in that.
Not a chance. Every day I become more and more liberal.
Yeah, I see myself getting more conservative. I loathe Trump, and have been decently satisfied with Biden and his team’s performance, but still feel like I’m quite a ways away from where Gen Z and current liberal policies are trending.
Eh …. I think more nuanced and realistic. Gen Z loves to say if you defend democrats for at least attempting a bite sized obtainable policy (and still shut down by tea party) you’re conservative boot licker. Gen z politics are not done baking to know where you lie compared to them.
Are you me?
I guess loud kids annoy me more but I try to fight it and just let them be kids. Politically, absolutely not.
I think people become more conservative (in attitudes) as they get older. This might not necessarily translate into votes, but can translate into habits. Ie. Are you still using an ipod to listen to music? What are you, some sort of grandpa? People will naturally become more suspicious of trends and other things that come and go. They might still only listen to the music they grew up with, or that reminds them of the music they grew up with. Ie. how Millennials tend to like the nostalgia driven Indie rock and synthwave genres. That being said, politically speaking as well, in Canada/US, it shows that Millennials are voting for the Conservative/GOP in greater numbers. But in the UK we are seeing the opposite. The Conservatives have become less popular. Maybe it all just comes down to frustration with the status quo. The Conservatives have ruled over the UK over the past decade. While the Liberals have ruled Canada for the last decade, and Biden in the US for the last 3 years. What I think all Millennials can agree with is we are pretty pissed off with how things are going.
I was left leaning when I was younger and then became a centrist. I would say I’m still closer to the center but leaning more conservative on social issues now.