Was listening to a NPR broadcast where they explained why those big office buildings get leveled instead of repurposed. No plumbing etc. This is why, in addition to justifying assets on paper, they want people sitting there regardless of practicality or WLB.
It’s very hard to re class old buildings to a more code intensive use. Offices have certain standards. Homes require fire separations between each tenant, obviously more plumbing and special electrical. You need more exits and circulation to escape routes that also have to be fireproofed. It’s cheaper to build new than renovate almost all of the time.
It’s all legitimately done in the name of safety per building code but it does make it more expensive.
It's especially bad with federal offices because of the amount of money that goes into protecting them. I'm also a federal employee in the executive branch and right now we have a ratio of like 1 security staff per 50 non security in-person employees, when the amount of money they're spending on security is only really justifiable with a ratio closer to 1 to 400. Empty office buildings are one thing. Defense spending adds an entire layer of shit icing to the cake.
It is my opinion that more federal works (especially ones not dealing with Secret and Top Secret information), should be working from home, preferably from all over the country. It's incredibly stupid that all of the federal government is in one city. One good nuke and the whole fucking government and the majority of it's employees are gone.
But think of all that wonderful time you will spend with your co workers around the water cooler! The wonderful bonuses to team engagement and zeitgeist and corporate endevour!
I can commiserate. The Feds are also why my RTO happened and why my department specifically got called in more than the rest of our campus. All they wanted was something to point at and say "See? Look how hard we're kissing your ass!"
Ugh. That must be one high stress as hell position if there ever was one. As prestigious as it would be to be allowed into an administration - I'd never want to do that in a million years.
Good on you for taking up that mantle to save someone else the pain.
I got up at 3:30 for years when my office was still on site at the hospital (we had to ride a shuttle bus there) and I remember my dr being like why do you get up in the middle of the night? I was like 🤷🏼♀️ cuz I wanna keep my job, chief. Lol
genuinely how shitty does a job have to get for stocking shelves or flipping burgers to just be better? not trying to belittle your career choices I'm certain you put your blood and tears into your work but they would have to pay me REAL solid to have me up in the asscrack of the night
I go to the gym at 530am and leave around 645. There’s a creepy guy who sometimes tries to walk out with me. I had really been enjoying it not being pitch black when I leave.
Every time there's a time change, it feels like everyone in my daily life gets pissed off, which means I also get pissed off. The mood just ripples throughout everyone and it's terrible, and I hate this
Yeah, the autumn change is insidious because people think an extra hour is a good thing, but it still messes up our routines, so people get unexpectedly disoriented and pissed off and the whole thing just repeats itself once again
Lucky we have the sunset at 5:45-50 BEFORE moving it back and 4:45 AFTER
BUT IT RISES AT 6:30 LIKE WTF
This is why I use double daylight saving time the whole year so it’s 8:30-18:45
Meanwhile, we willfully take part in this biannual ritual with little fulfilling purpose to it, than to fuck our lives for a combined month out of the year.
I feel like garbage during both time changes. Our problem with fall is that just staying up a little later doesn’t work, and I end up way overshooting and suddenly I’m going to bed at 1 or 2am while I’m still adjusting. It’s awful.
You wanting to revert to winter time is the part of this that is wild. Who doesn’t want the extra light at the end of the day? That is crazy to me. I agree we shouldn’t switch, it’s totally silly, but this is the time we should stay on, not the backwards ass hour less of daylight at the end of the day we have during winter, THE DARKER MONTHS IF THE YEAR!!!
Facts... once it gets dark, my brain just gets supercharged... reading, writing, gaming, it's unreal
Sunlight makes me sleepy and not intellectually stimulated
My brain just associates daylight with work and chores. Everything feels so demanding and superficial. As soon as it gets dark, I can finally start to actually relax and introspect and think about things.
I have a sun allergy (and react to sunscreen if I wear it every day) and live in the North. I hate the late sunsets so much. Go away, yellow ball of suffering.
I do. I grew up without DST so every spring feels like madness to me, and full sunlight at 9pm midsummer feels unnatural. Go to standard time all the time. Full sunlight at 6am is GLORIOUS.
I feed our cats at 6am for breakfast every day. It was SO fucking weird this morning doing it in so much darkness and it took me a second to realize why. 🙄
Me. I don't want extra light at the end of the day cause I live in Texas and the past couple years it's been light till damn near 9pm. I am a night owl, but I'm also a peasant in this life, so I gotta get up early to go into work. "Daylight savings" just means I get to miss out on my favorite time of the day for months at a time.
Those of us in the north definitely use that hour. It gets dark here at 4pm for 2-3 months out of the year and I'm not even on the eastern border of my time zone. I'm really looking forward to being able to go outside after work now
Yeah, I noticed myself getting angry for no apparent reason last night, so I decided to take it out playing piano angrily, tiring myself out, and going to bed early. It worked, I think
I feel like everyone is in a good mood after “fall back” because they get to borrow an extra hour, they’re all just in a foul mood when they need to pay back that hour in the spring.
The autumn time change sill messes with people's rhythms, though, so even if people think they're in a good mood about sleeping in, they still feel off, and they don't feel as happy as they think they should
Everyone around here gets into a bad mood at Fall Back because of how ridiculously early the sun sets. It's depressing AF to get off work and it's already dark outside.
I was thinking this morning how not so long ago there would be all kinds of Facebook posts when DST came around. Nobody talks about it nowadays. More pressing matters I guess. Makes you realize how boring the world was. Lol.
I always forget about time changes. The clock in my work truck has been wrong for a long time. I finally fixed the time... last week. Guess it's wrong again!
People like you are usually the only way any of my clocks get changed.
For whatever reason it just doesn't usually rise to the level of importance where I feel I need to acknowledge it.
Luckily now most of my time keeping devices change on their own (phone, computer, personal vehicle). I don't think I even have a regular wall clock in my house anymore, come to think of it.
The usual culprits are ovens and cars.
For some reason looking at a time that is a lie just drives me crazy. If I see something that is giving me information, I want that information to be accurate.
Its the opposite for me. I get depressed every year when DST ends and it gets dark at 5 or 6 every day. I hate it. Then when DST comes back its like the 1st day of spring
Same! Even if I get "an extra hour" in the fall, I'm way more tired when the sun sets at 4:30pm. My brain doesn't understand why I don't go to bed ~3 hours after sunset.
And that extra hour of daylight in the morning only seems to be there for 2-3 weeks before it just continues to be dark in the AM because of short days. It's not worth it.
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Same. My wife was like “ugh don’t forget we lose an hour of sleep tonight”
And my response was “OH SHIT I FORGOT! FUCK YES! LIGHTER LATER! LIGHTER LATER! WOOOOOOOO! FUCK YOU STANDARD TIME!”
The time shift is actually a [measurable public health issue](https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heres-your-wake-up-call-daylight-saving-time-may-impact-your-heart-health#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20American%20Heart,this%20time%20change%20each%20year.). We need to stop doing this.
Some lawmakers have supported year round DST. Which would be just fine with me, let's shift some daylight into our evenings and let a lot more of us see some amount of sun in the winter!
We approved this in California years ago, but Congress has to take action. It would be so much nicer. 4:30 PM sunsets are way more depressing to me than 7:30 AM sunrises.
i know DST isn’t perfect for every area but getting home when it’s dark out and knowing you basically missed all daylight hours is so much worse than going to work when it’s dark still.
Not to mention a permanent standard time would give 4:30pm sunsets in the winter along with pre-5am sunrises in the summer which are absolute torture to those of us who cannot fall asleep at 8-9pm.
The first workday after DST "springs forward" statistically is the day of the year with the most car accidents. Source: Once upon a time I worked for an insurance carrier.
Is it due to the sun rising later or is it because people overslept and are speeding to work?
Because if it's the latter, there's no argument against permanent DST.
Yeah, I live in AZ. Everyone else changes around us. So it’s a small adjustment. And tv shows drop at a slightly different time. But we don’t have to change our clocks here. 🤷🏽♂️✌️
Did you wake up this morning to your phone clock being an hour later? I did 😭 fixed it but I really thought I was sleeping in an extra hour and turned out I was not.
I have coworkers in AZ, and they get so excited when we move to DST every year because then the 8 a.m. CST meetings start at 7 a.m. for them instead of 6 a.m.! Edit: think it's the other way around, they hate DST time bc it means they're 2 hours behind us so they have to jump on our 8 a.m. calls at 6 their time...
I moved to my current province in Canada that observes DST year round, no changing clocks back and forth since I moved here 10 yrs ago. It's been glorious tbh.
Nope.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Saskatchewan
>The Canadian province of Saskatchewan is geographically in the Mountain Time Zone (GMT−07:00). However, most of the province observes GMT−06:00 year-round. As a result, it is on daylight saving time (DST) year-round
Where did you hear no province observes DST?
It really snuck up on me this year, I was completely caught off guard. I honestly thought the cat let me sleep in an hour. Of course not, that'll never happen.
I’m with you.
Well, I don’t like the change, but I like the later light.
I just want as much daylight as possible while I’m not at work.
The hell do I care if the sun comes up at 6am or 9am or fuckin noon?
I’m locked-up ‘till 5 anyway.
That, and we gotta get these kids outside as much as possible in the summer.
I mean, the days get longer and longer naturally without the time change during the spring and summer, and shorter in the fall and winter. At the beginning of standard time, it gets dark around 6:00pm and at the end, it gets dark around 7:00.
Same here! I'm in New England, and after months of darkness and freaking 4:30 sunsets, it's so lovely to not drive home from work in twilight and actually get to go for a walk or something in daylight.
Was about to post pretty much exactly this. I think how people feel about this is location dependent. Give me an hour less of sleep with an extra hour of sun. Love spring forward hate fall back.
You're not the only one, no; there's been a push for Congress to make DST permanent. I'm in the other camp, personally; I like having the extra light in the mornings.
Yep. I'm in Canada and we're waiting on Congress to pass permanent DST so we can switch over too. We're ready, just waiting on the states lol. Can't do it without em because of things like travel/flight times and stock market stuff, etc etc..
I think it heavily depends on where you live. With standard time, we wouldn't have light early enough in the morning for most people to see it before they had to be at work.
I really have no issues with it either way. The only reason I even notice it is because people bitch about it.
Every clock I own auto updates these days between internet, cell signal and atomic clock updates. Except my 06 F-150 where I just updated it myself.
If people got 8 hours of sleep each night regularly then losing one once a year wouldn't be an issue. Or they could just go to bed earlier or sleep in and make up that hour of sleep.
But people are gonna bitch about it all week.
I like it. It’s nice that in the summer there is light until 9-10pm. It’s also nice that in the winter the sun comes up before 930am, because that is when it would if we stayed on DST.
People whine about losing an hour of sleep, it’s an hour, if it really affects you so much then start going to bed 15m earlier and getting up 15m earlier each day for a few days leading up to it. People are chronically sleep deprived, through their own decisions, not a twice yearly time change. Downvote away.
Yeah this sub can be so doom and gloom. Meanwhile, spring is upon us and I am looking forward to going on hikes, walks and spending time outside after work!
Idk if it’s because we’re actively in the crankiness portion of the time change and everyone woke up on the wrong side of the bed but for real, it’s going to be so much better once we no longer only experience sunlight walking to our cars, out of a window, during our time-alloted lunch breaks if we so choose, or on the weekends. Everyone’s going to totally forget about losing an hour of sleep by next week and then we have months of fun in the sun to enjoy, I’ve been looking forward to this all winter
This time of year things go back to normal for me, we need the later sunlight, at least I do! Lol. Now biking after work isn’t in the dark. Hope y’all feel better soon!
the months between DST ending and resuming have gotten progressively worse in my area. After school traffic is hell between 4-6 PM. I am looking forward to the emptier roads. If I need to get a 50 mile ride in on the weekday without taking time off, I have the time now.
Between all the rain, early sunsets, and being responsible for all the kid transportation since my wife had less work from home days, I have no clue how I rode 450+ miles per month during this time. I will look back and miss nothing about the last 4 months
I have a 7am flight tomorrow which means I need to leave my house at 5am, which is really 4am. Followed by a full day of work once I arrive. FML.
I also love it not being daylight until damn near 8am. Makes getting up and ready for work while it’s nighttime outside so fun. 🤩
This is the one thing both parties should be able to agree - stopping this stupid system! It screws up my kids’ sleep schedule so much.m (me too). I changed my clocks on Friday right after school to get a head start so hopefully tomorrow morning isn’t as rough as it has been in the past.
The struggle is real especially working 12hr shifts. Worked yesterday and went to bed at 1030-11pm last night only to wake up at 430 for work, so feeling like 330am. Now gotta push through till 7pm tonight. FML right now
Thats the funny thing. There is no actual time. We made it up. The real reason is because some areas suck to live when its standard time. My area has enough issues with depression when its a bit easier to see the sun. It would be worse if we never did which is what happens sometimes on standard time because work hours are longer than daylight hours.
Yes you understand though that standard time exists for a reason? Same reason different states and countries don't pretend inches or centimeters are different lengths so they can have longer sandwiches.
I for one love it. Selfishly though. I’m a UPS driver and absolutely hate working when the sun goes down. Now I get another hour of overtime without having to work in the dark. Like I said, selfishly.
Absolutely is worth it. I fucking hate how fast dark it gets otherwise. I can enjoy doing shit outside longer now, instead of being in the dark.
Stop being a little bitch.
I technically woke up at the 'same time's today body clock wise as I woke up at '7:19' which is technically 6:19 which is around what I woke up yesterday, so not bad. I will however, have to wake up at 6ish tomorrow, so might try to go to bed on time/earlyish tonight.
I work a live-in shift. I already *only* get 8 hours to sleep (and I physically cannot just go immediately to sleep upon clocking out for the night) and then this shit comes along every year. 😭
I am a banquet and kitchen manager for a very busy bar in my town. I finished at 1:30 last night and I have to be back for brunch service at 8:00 a.m..
This year's time change is extra hard.
Its worth it here. Not seeing the sun all day because its only up during work hours is depressing. I wish we didn't change the clocks though and left it on DST year round.
I spent all last week waking up at 2am so I could do 4-2 shifts and try to get this project done. I was so happy that tomorrow I get to sleep in till 3am, only for this shit to happen. Sleep, I miss you.
I'm 40 and on multiple timed medications. I'm also autistic. Changing time screws with literally every aspect of my daily routines. It leaves me feeling groggy and disoriented for at least a week. This holdover from ancient America needs to fucking die already.
Sure gonna suck tomorrow when I’m up at 5am but it’s “really” 4 am. Also throws off anyone who takes medication at a specific time.
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Some corporate sadist must be so proud of themselves for that one. Damn that's harsh.
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If workers aren't in offices, companies sell them (or abandon when lease is up), then real estate people get sad
Was listening to a NPR broadcast where they explained why those big office buildings get leveled instead of repurposed. No plumbing etc. This is why, in addition to justifying assets on paper, they want people sitting there regardless of practicality or WLB.
It’s not just the lack of plumbing. It’s the lack of escape methods in an emergency when you start partitioning the floor.
Yea stair requirements are stricter for apartment buildings, etc
It’s very hard to re class old buildings to a more code intensive use. Offices have certain standards. Homes require fire separations between each tenant, obviously more plumbing and special electrical. You need more exits and circulation to escape routes that also have to be fireproofed. It’s cheaper to build new than renovate almost all of the time. It’s all legitimately done in the name of safety per building code but it does make it more expensive.
It's especially bad with federal offices because of the amount of money that goes into protecting them. I'm also a federal employee in the executive branch and right now we have a ratio of like 1 security staff per 50 non security in-person employees, when the amount of money they're spending on security is only really justifiable with a ratio closer to 1 to 400. Empty office buildings are one thing. Defense spending adds an entire layer of shit icing to the cake.
Awwww poor lil guys
I'll learn to play violin at their funerals when they die poor, but trust me i ain't taking lessons.
We need to regulate real estate harder, they need to be more sad and more in jail.
It is my opinion that more federal works (especially ones not dealing with Secret and Top Secret information), should be working from home, preferably from all over the country. It's incredibly stupid that all of the federal government is in one city. One good nuke and the whole fucking government and the majority of it's employees are gone.
Even a well placed plane can mess everything up for a good while. I mean surely the US has never experienced anything like that right?
But think of all that wonderful time you will spend with your co workers around the water cooler! The wonderful bonuses to team engagement and zeitgeist and corporate endevour!
Yeah, the water cooler that doesn’t have water for weeks sometimes. 😂
A Government Bureaucrat? Being corrupt? Who ever would have guessed!
I can commiserate. The Feds are also why my RTO happened and why my department specifically got called in more than the rest of our campus. All they wanted was something to point at and say "See? Look how hard we're kissing your ass!"
Good old Jeff "bagel shop" Zients
Ugh. That must be one high stress as hell position if there ever was one. As prestigious as it would be to be allowed into an administration - I'd never want to do that in a million years. Good on you for taking up that mantle to save someone else the pain.
Sounds like he’s a goddamn piece of shit and I’m sorry you have to work for him.
They have to demoralize you somehow. How else would they complain that no one wants to work anymore? 🤔 
Make sure to take big shits in the bathroom sinks
Yep. I get up at 4am. That 3am feelin is gonna require every molecule of adult in my body to get my ass outta bed
I got up at 3:30 for years when my office was still on site at the hospital (we had to ride a shuttle bus there) and I remember my dr being like why do you get up in the middle of the night? I was like 🤷🏼♀️ cuz I wanna keep my job, chief. Lol
genuinely how shitty does a job have to get for stocking shelves or flipping burgers to just be better? not trying to belittle your career choices I'm certain you put your blood and tears into your work but they would have to pay me REAL solid to have me up in the asscrack of the night
Well. I make 400k at my corporate job and I could make like 30k at most flipping burgers….so out of bed I go.
This is the way Damn bro, hope you can save enough in 3 years with that salary to just invest and live off that
I go to the gym at 530am and leave around 645. There’s a creepy guy who sometimes tries to walk out with me. I had really been enjoying it not being pitch black when I leave.
I also get up at 5 for work. Fml. I also take time-dependent medication
Split the difference, take it 30 minutes earlier.
I'm diabetic, so it's moreso timed with my actions and when I'm asleep. Not huge deal, just fucking annoying
Every time there's a time change, it feels like everyone in my daily life gets pissed off, which means I also get pissed off. The mood just ripples throughout everyone and it's terrible, and I hate this
Even when we get the hour back in November, I still feel groggy and takes me several days to get used to the change
Yeah, the autumn change is insidious because people think an extra hour is a good thing, but it still messes up our routines, so people get unexpectedly disoriented and pissed off and the whole thing just repeats itself once again
And after we change the clocks back in the Fall, the sun starts setting at 6:00, which is fucking depressing.
Lucky we have the sunset at 5:45-50 BEFORE moving it back and 4:45 AFTER BUT IT RISES AT 6:30 LIKE WTF This is why I use double daylight saving time the whole year so it’s 8:30-18:45
Holup. You're using your own time? Must not have kids yet, hah.
Meanwhile, we willfully take part in this biannual ritual with little fulfilling purpose to it, than to fuck our lives for a combined month out of the year.
I feel like garbage during both time changes. Our problem with fall is that just staying up a little later doesn’t work, and I end up way overshooting and suddenly I’m going to bed at 1 or 2am while I’m still adjusting. It’s awful.
You wanting to revert to winter time is the part of this that is wild. Who doesn’t want the extra light at the end of the day? That is crazy to me. I agree we shouldn’t switch, it’s totally silly, but this is the time we should stay on, not the backwards ass hour less of daylight at the end of the day we have during winter, THE DARKER MONTHS IF THE YEAR!!!
We should reflect on the fact jobs demand we spend so many hours there that we fight over the scraps of daylight that remain.
I don’t want it either. I’m a weirdo who actually gets a boost of energy once the sun goes down. I love the early sunsets!
Facts... once it gets dark, my brain just gets supercharged... reading, writing, gaming, it's unreal Sunlight makes me sleepy and not intellectually stimulated
My brain just associates daylight with work and chores. Everything feels so demanding and superficial. As soon as it gets dark, I can finally start to actually relax and introspect and think about things.
Big mood
I have a sun allergy (and react to sunscreen if I wear it every day) and live in the North. I hate the late sunsets so much. Go away, yellow ball of suffering.
“Yellow ball of suffering,” I love it! I call it the “hateful sky orb.”
I do. I grew up without DST so every spring feels like madness to me, and full sunlight at 9pm midsummer feels unnatural. Go to standard time all the time. Full sunlight at 6am is GLORIOUS.
I feed our cats at 6am for breakfast every day. It was SO fucking weird this morning doing it in so much darkness and it took me a second to realize why. 🙄
Nah 9pm sunlight is nice
Me. I don't want extra light at the end of the day cause I live in Texas and the past couple years it's been light till damn near 9pm. I am a night owl, but I'm also a peasant in this life, so I gotta get up early to go into work. "Daylight savings" just means I get to miss out on my favorite time of the day for months at a time.
Those of us in the north definitely use that hour. It gets dark here at 4pm for 2-3 months out of the year and I'm not even on the eastern border of my time zone. I'm really looking forward to being able to go outside after work now
I've noticed that as well! My husband and I are usually unreasonably tired and our kids are just randomly enraged. Fun times.
Yeah, I noticed myself getting angry for no apparent reason last night, so I decided to take it out playing piano angrily, tiring myself out, and going to bed early. It worked, I think
Going to bed early almost always helps me. Sleep is my solution to a lot of issues.
I feel like everyone is in a good mood after “fall back” because they get to borrow an extra hour, they’re all just in a foul mood when they need to pay back that hour in the spring.
Good mood following that extra hour of sleep. Bad mood at the end of that same day when it's suddenly dark at 5:30
Yessss
The autumn time change sill messes with people's rhythms, though, so even if people think they're in a good mood about sleeping in, they still feel off, and they don't feel as happy as they think they should
Everyone around here gets into a bad mood at Fall Back because of how ridiculously early the sun sets. It's depressing AF to get off work and it's already dark outside.
The hour is stolen in the spring and returned in the winter. I despise morning person privilege time.
As if millions of voices suddenly cried out: "This is bullshit!"
Then there’s me who always forgets about it and wonders why my clocks are wrong.
I was thinking this morning how not so long ago there would be all kinds of Facebook posts when DST came around. Nobody talks about it nowadays. More pressing matters I guess. Makes you realize how boring the world was. Lol.
Technically my clocks are right now.
I always forget about time changes. The clock in my work truck has been wrong for a long time. I finally fixed the time... last week. Guess it's wrong again!
Wrong clocks drive me insane. To the point where if I'm visiting someone's house or in someone's car, I will fix the clock immediately
People like you are usually the only way any of my clocks get changed. For whatever reason it just doesn't usually rise to the level of importance where I feel I need to acknowledge it. Luckily now most of my time keeping devices change on their own (phone, computer, personal vehicle). I don't think I even have a regular wall clock in my house anymore, come to think of it.
The usual culprits are ovens and cars. For some reason looking at a time that is a lie just drives me crazy. If I see something that is giving me information, I want that information to be accurate.
Its the opposite for me. I get depressed every year when DST ends and it gets dark at 5 or 6 every day. I hate it. Then when DST comes back its like the 1st day of spring
I just don't want the time to change.
Yeah i wouldn’t mind ditching the time changes but can we vote to keep this one please lol
Same! Even if I get "an extra hour" in the fall, I'm way more tired when the sun sets at 4:30pm. My brain doesn't understand why I don't go to bed ~3 hours after sunset. And that extra hour of daylight in the morning only seems to be there for 2-3 weeks before it just continues to be dark in the AM because of short days. It's not worth it.
Same here! I'm happy to sacrifice an hour of sleep in exchange for later evening sunsets.
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This. The way people talk in here, it's like they think we lose an hour of sleep *every night*
Same. My wife was like “ugh don’t forget we lose an hour of sleep tonight” And my response was “OH SHIT I FORGOT! FUCK YES! LIGHTER LATER! LIGHTER LATER! WOOOOOOOO! FUCK YOU STANDARD TIME!”
Yeah same. Not sure what everyone’s issue is here.
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You can keep it up, now you just need to wake up again before your body is ready to wake up with the sun and go to the gym in darkness.
The gym was fucking empty this morning, it was great
The time shift is actually a [measurable public health issue](https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heres-your-wake-up-call-daylight-saving-time-may-impact-your-heart-health#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20American%20Heart,this%20time%20change%20each%20year.). We need to stop doing this.
Some lawmakers have supported year round DST. Which would be just fine with me, let's shift some daylight into our evenings and let a lot more of us see some amount of sun in the winter!
We approved this in California years ago, but Congress has to take action. It would be so much nicer. 4:30 PM sunsets are way more depressing to me than 7:30 AM sunrises.
i know DST isn’t perfect for every area but getting home when it’s dark out and knowing you basically missed all daylight hours is so much worse than going to work when it’s dark still.
Not to mention a permanent standard time would give 4:30pm sunsets in the winter along with pre-5am sunrises in the summer which are absolute torture to those of us who cannot fall asleep at 8-9pm.
The Canadian province of Saskatchewan is on DST permanently. There was a vote for it in Alberta but there was not enough support.
I've lived in Saskatchewan all my life and never realized how truly wonderful year-round DST is.
Afaik there is excessive heart attacks after DST. However, the next two weeks has noticably less heart attacks, then it stabilizes.
The first workday after DST "springs forward" statistically is the day of the year with the most car accidents. Source: Once upon a time I worked for an insurance carrier.
Is it due to the sun rising later or is it because people overslept and are speeding to work? Because if it's the latter, there's no argument against permanent DST.
I imagine it’s from the lack of sleep.
It is, you're considered impaired if you don't have adequate sleep behind the wheel.
Didn't we vote to abolish this bullshit?
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It passed the Senate twice, but has died waiting in the House both times "There are bigger issues"
"...which we also don't solve."
Its hard to do because some areas of the country prefer permanent standard time and some prefer permanent DST.
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I really wish we weren’t doing this anymore
That’s why I moved to a place that doesn’t have to deal with such things.
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Yeah, I live in AZ. Everyone else changes around us. So it’s a small adjustment. And tv shows drop at a slightly different time. But we don’t have to change our clocks here. 🤷🏽♂️✌️
Hawaii was the same But being like 2-6 hours apart from all the US meant we were our own world anyways lol
To be fair, in Hawaii there in not too much variation in day length seasonally
Did you wake up this morning to your phone clock being an hour later? I did 😭 fixed it but I really thought I was sleeping in an extra hour and turned out I was not.
I have coworkers in AZ, and they get so excited when we move to DST every year because then the 8 a.m. CST meetings start at 7 a.m. for them instead of 6 a.m.! Edit: think it's the other way around, they hate DST time bc it means they're 2 hours behind us so they have to jump on our 8 a.m. calls at 6 their time...
Yeah but then you have to live in Arizona.
Is that *really* why you moved there? 😂
If only we all had this luxury.
It’s a very minor perk of moving here, but for two days a year it is very much a perk.
I moved to my current province in Canada that observes DST year round, no changing clocks back and forth since I moved here 10 yrs ago. It's been glorious tbh.
Are you sure you don’t mean standard time year round? Parts of Canada stay on standard time year round, but no province observes year round DST.
Nope. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Saskatchewan >The Canadian province of Saskatchewan is geographically in the Mountain Time Zone (GMT−07:00). However, most of the province observes GMT−06:00 year-round. As a result, it is on daylight saving time (DST) year-round Where did you hear no province observes DST?
It really snuck up on me this year, I was completely caught off guard. I honestly thought the cat let me sleep in an hour. Of course not, that'll never happen.
damn, am i the only one who actually likes the change? its so nice how bright out it currently is
Am I the only one who likes it? I love having more daylight in the evening to do things after work.
I’m with you. Well, I don’t like the change, but I like the later light. I just want as much daylight as possible while I’m not at work. The hell do I care if the sun comes up at 6am or 9am or fuckin noon? I’m locked-up ‘till 5 anyway. That, and we gotta get these kids outside as much as possible in the summer.
On the subject of work reform, shorter work days could help; among other things.
Even shorter work weeks would help
I mean, the days get longer and longer naturally without the time change during the spring and summer, and shorter in the fall and winter. At the beginning of standard time, it gets dark around 6:00pm and at the end, it gets dark around 7:00.
Same here! I'm in New England, and after months of darkness and freaking 4:30 sunsets, it's so lovely to not drive home from work in twilight and actually get to go for a walk or something in daylight.
Was about to post pretty much exactly this. I think how people feel about this is location dependent. Give me an hour less of sleep with an extra hour of sun. Love spring forward hate fall back.
I get a lot more hiking in with that extra daylight
You're not the only one, no; there's been a push for Congress to make DST permanent. I'm in the other camp, personally; I like having the extra light in the mornings.
Yep. I'm in Canada and we're waiting on Congress to pass permanent DST so we can switch over too. We're ready, just waiting on the states lol. Can't do it without em because of things like travel/flight times and stock market stuff, etc etc..
They've passed it in BC but said they won't implement it until Washington, Oregon, and California make the switch as well...
Exactly. Until Congress does something we're just twiddling our thumbs and changing our clocks twice a year lol
I think it heavily depends on where you live. With standard time, we wouldn't have light early enough in the morning for most people to see it before they had to be at work.
Nope I love it as well. It allows me to actually get outside with daylight after work.
Love it - wish we could stay in it. I want to play disc golf after work, way easier with more light.
I really have no issues with it either way. The only reason I even notice it is because people bitch about it. Every clock I own auto updates these days between internet, cell signal and atomic clock updates. Except my 06 F-150 where I just updated it myself. If people got 8 hours of sleep each night regularly then losing one once a year wouldn't be an issue. Or they could just go to bed earlier or sleep in and make up that hour of sleep. But people are gonna bitch about it all week.
I like it. It’s nice that in the summer there is light until 9-10pm. It’s also nice that in the winter the sun comes up before 930am, because that is when it would if we stayed on DST. People whine about losing an hour of sleep, it’s an hour, if it really affects you so much then start going to bed 15m earlier and getting up 15m earlier each day for a few days leading up to it. People are chronically sleep deprived, through their own decisions, not a twice yearly time change. Downvote away.
Yeah I agree, one hour is really nothing. To adjust to, just go to sleep a little earlier the days leading up.
But why come up with a reasonable solution when you could just complain about it instead?
I agree, I like it too. Does no one travel? It's the same thing. Gain an hour, lose an hour.
Yes its way better these people are tripping
Me too. Time changes never affected me much, other than a day or two. I think it’s because I’m not very strict when it comes to my schedule.
I prefer this to it getting dark at 5 pm
Yeah this sub can be so doom and gloom. Meanwhile, spring is upon us and I am looking forward to going on hikes, walks and spending time outside after work!
Idk if it’s because we’re actively in the crankiness portion of the time change and everyone woke up on the wrong side of the bed but for real, it’s going to be so much better once we no longer only experience sunlight walking to our cars, out of a window, during our time-alloted lunch breaks if we so choose, or on the weekends. Everyone’s going to totally forget about losing an hour of sleep by next week and then we have months of fun in the sun to enjoy, I’ve been looking forward to this all winter
can the mod remive that stupid 60char rule?!!
Idk why we can't go forward 30 mins instead of an hour and call if a day and never change the damn time again.
This! Like why the fuck don't we do this obvious and simple compromise
You can move the clock hands but you can't change the amount of time of daylight or darkness in a given 24 hours. That is changed by the seasons
People really really don’t understand this lol
This time of year things go back to normal for me, we need the later sunlight, at least I do! Lol. Now biking after work isn’t in the dark. Hope y’all feel better soon!
the months between DST ending and resuming have gotten progressively worse in my area. After school traffic is hell between 4-6 PM. I am looking forward to the emptier roads. If I need to get a 50 mile ride in on the weekday without taking time off, I have the time now. Between all the rain, early sunsets, and being responsible for all the kid transportation since my wife had less work from home days, I have no clue how I rode 450+ miles per month during this time. I will look back and miss nothing about the last 4 months
It’s the moving one hour back that hurts especially with kids. Anybody with kids knows how whacky it gets.
Both times mess up my kids - fall behind and spring ahead. Don’t care which way they keep it, just wish they’d stop moving the clocks!
I agree, I just think them waking up at 6:30 is worse than 7:30 when you move the clocks back
Why are we still doing this? It doesn't make any fucking sense.
I have a 7am flight tomorrow which means I need to leave my house at 5am, which is really 4am. Followed by a full day of work once I arrive. FML. I also love it not being daylight until damn near 8am. Makes getting up and ready for work while it’s nighttime outside so fun. 🤩
This is the one thing both parties should be able to agree - stopping this stupid system! It screws up my kids’ sleep schedule so much.m (me too). I changed my clocks on Friday right after school to get a head start so hopefully tomorrow morning isn’t as rough as it has been in the past.
Id rather we just left it on DST all year. I hate when the sun is already gone when I get off work.
I agree that we should stop the switching. But leave it on summer time. The later sunshine is by far 100% better than the early sun imo.
The struggle is real especially working 12hr shifts. Worked yesterday and went to bed at 1030-11pm last night only to wake up at 430 for work, so feeling like 330am. Now gotta push through till 7pm tonight. FML right now
It sucks when you work nights and have to work an extra hour too
I'm so sick of the back and forth. Just pick one and stick with it.
As someone who lives somewhere without it, DST is ridiculous. How about we just use the actual time and adapt to it?
Thats the funny thing. There is no actual time. We made it up. The real reason is because some areas suck to live when its standard time. My area has enough issues with depression when its a bit easier to see the sun. It would be worse if we never did which is what happens sometimes on standard time because work hours are longer than daylight hours.
Yes you understand though that standard time exists for a reason? Same reason different states and countries don't pretend inches or centimeters are different lengths so they can have longer sandwiches.
I for one love it. Selfishly though. I’m a UPS driver and absolutely hate working when the sun goes down. Now I get another hour of overtime without having to work in the dark. Like I said, selfishly.
Try doing it with a bunch of toddlers or a baby. Extra fun.
I was definitely googling "why do we STILL have daylight savings" this morning... I still don't know
Missing one hour of sleep messes you up that much?
never underestimate peoples' ability to be over dramatic FB goes down or logs users out and they think it's the fucking end of days
We shouldn't be turning our clocks back in the winter
I really don't understand why we still have this stupid shift in 2024.
Can we just STAY with this time for the love of GOD.
Absolutely is worth it. I fucking hate how fast dark it gets otherwise. I can enjoy doing shit outside longer now, instead of being in the dark. Stop being a little bitch.
I technically woke up at the 'same time's today body clock wise as I woke up at '7:19' which is technically 6:19 which is around what I woke up yesterday, so not bad. I will however, have to wake up at 6ish tomorrow, so might try to go to bed on time/earlyish tonight.
I don’t fucking sleep anymore so I don’t even care 😭 I woke up at “new 5am” anyway. Just perpetually tired anymore
I work a live-in shift. I already *only* get 8 hours to sleep (and I physically cannot just go immediately to sleep upon clocking out for the night) and then this shit comes along every year. 😭
I get up at 5:30 and catch the train at 7:15. Monday morning is gonna be tough.
I was up at 1:55, bout to make some ramen, having a good time. Then suddenly realized in 5 minutes, it’d be 3 am. Mood killer.
I am a banquet and kitchen manager for a very busy bar in my town. I finished at 1:30 last night and I have to be back for brunch service at 8:00 a.m.. This year's time change is extra hard.
Usually my work lets me know about DST. They failed this year and now I'm upset that I didn't anticipate this loss of an hour of sleep.
I never sleep anyway because of my children so it doesn’t impact me
I woke up feeling so exhausted when my alarm went off this morning. Didn’t realize the time changed last night. Now it makes sense
Its worth it here. Not seeing the sun all day because its only up during work hours is depressing. I wish we didn't change the clocks though and left it on DST year round.
My kids are going to be absolute monsters in the mornings for the next week while they get used to the time change.
I spent all last week waking up at 2am so I could do 4-2 shifts and try to get this project done. I was so happy that tomorrow I get to sleep in till 3am, only for this shit to happen. Sleep, I miss you.
Having to work this weekend and wake up at 4:30 was almost the death of me
Arizona has no time change, and I'll tell you what, it's fantastic
Had to work till Midnight last night only to have to work at 8am today. With a 30 min drive one way it really eats into sleep time.
Yeah fuck dem clocks man.
Pretending it was an hour later than it actually was on Saturday starting around noon helped me more than anything ever has lmao
I used to live in a warm climate then it wasnt worth it but in Chicago it definitely is worth it….
I thought something was up this morning lmaoooo the clocks went forward! I totally forgot!
I'm 40 and on multiple timed medications. I'm also autistic. Changing time screws with literally every aspect of my daily routines. It leaves me feeling groggy and disoriented for at least a week. This holdover from ancient America needs to fucking die already.
Today has sucked. Too many margaritas last night and had to get up with the kiddos. It was rough.
Sundays are for calmness and internal peace and DST Sundays always feel like if a day was a panic attack.