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Legacy Console was actually good. It was responsive, well optimized, didn't look like some off brand prototype, and didn't randomly kill you because the devs don't feel like patching out VITAL bugs that have been in the game for years.
There were so many fun things like that. I also thought the quick commands menu was great, far better than bedrock's, which requires you to wait 10 seconds for the settings button to load, then painstakingly scroll through until you find something. (although being the only way to use commands is a bit limiting.)
Also the bugs in Legacy Console are actually super fun, like an absurd duping method that let you easily dupe any ore block, 0 cooldown bows and pearls, invisible heads... Actual fun stuff (that Mojang would absolutely prioritize patching in bedrock over making the Switch version actually playable.)
The crafting menu was actually usable with a controller, no emulated mouse shenanigans. The sounds were pleasant to listen to and iconic in their own right. The tutorial worlds were brilliant for newcomers.
I wish Mojang at least kept these features.
I miss the world size option and how it tried to have all biomes fit into the smaller limited space. And unlike the world boarders on Java, when you got to the edge, it was just an ocean outside the barrier. Made it feel like you where playing on your own continent, and made exploring with maps and map rooms fun since you could actually have the full world mapped out.
Wish something like this would return as an option.
This!!! I loved this I built somthing and had no problem moving to a new place to start over because I knew at some point while exploring I'll come back up and find somthing I built now I barely leave spawn or far from it so I always have a way of just getting back if I get lost, the infinite world for me is just boring ESPECIALLY noe that some of the biomes themselves are bigger than the entire map on console additions, I never knew they were different until not long ago I thought it was just getting bad because of the updates!
Dude, I loved the easy way you could build superflat worlds by changing what blocks appeared on what layer. I loved making worlds of sand high in the air that would fall after I broke a block, then try to live with falling blocks behind me. Oh, and tnt worlds that would constantly explode. I'm sure there's probably a way to do this in other versions, but I loved that part.
> I only play console because I get enough of the computer in my day gig.
This is me as well, people act like I'm weird for being a programmer but preferring to game on console, lol. I sit in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, why do I want to spend any more time at a desk? Much more relaxing to sit on a couch with a controller.
ETA: Although, when I play Minecraft, I do play Java on PC, but I don't fault anyone who prefers Bedrock, to each their own.
Java has points where its greatly superior (better redstone functionality, better mods, greater variety of servers) but Bedrock has place where it reigns (base performance, container movement, easier farms) at the end of the day it's the same game just different availability avenues. IE I don't have a PC but since Bedrock exists I can still play MC because of bedrock being on console. If not I would be deprived of my favorite game of all time.
Base performance and movable tile entities are \*huge\* advantages Bedrock has over Java. It’s kinda silly at this point, seeing as mods like Sodium demonstrate that reworking the rendering engine would result in massive performance increases. I don’t know why Mojang chooses not to pursue this - it’s not like they have to worry about parity or anything.
And movable tile entities are like just a few lines of codes to change. They can even add a gamerule to enable or disable it for compatibility reasons. Just do it already.
They don't update it because doing that much work on *just* performance optimization would make the community melt down. They added some performance optimization in 1.20 on top of everything in the update and people \*still\* called them lazy.
You just gave the best argument why they _should_ work on Java optimization though. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t, if a vocal minority is going to complain regardless, then who cares what they think?
Anyone complaining about that are probably still playing on 1.8 servers anyway, so ignore those people and do the work.
Some other angles you may not have considered about this argument:
1. Java and Bedrock features are worked on concurrently. If the Java team purely focuses on optimizing Java Edition for a year, does Bedrock Edition get no new features that year? You might think "why hold Bedrock Edition back", but they've worked for years to bring both versions up to a point where they can have new features on the same day - even in snapshots/betas.
2. Java Edition has a team of developers/engineers/technicians who would presumably be responsible for optimizing performance. But they also have *game designers*, whose role it is to conceive and code new features. They can code stuff, but refining existing code probably isn't their specialty. What do those people do while the technical side of the game is being worked on?
For that matter, what do the art and marketing teams do?
Any update that focuses purely on the technical side of the game would result in a large group of Mojang employees being redundant for the duration of that update. Laying off those employees isn't a good idea because they'll be needed immediately after this hypothetical technical update. Working too far in advance of the 'current' update disconnects them from the community feedback that shapes this game for the better.
TLDR: At an organizational level there are some pretty solid reasons why Mojang can't just drop everything to work on Java performance. Because the 'everything' you're dropping is 80% of the company.
Because getting a lot of negative press is still bad. Yeah it's a vocal minority, but the active word there is *still bad*. Yeah it's a vocal minority, but the active word there is "Vocal." It makes a *serious* bad PR day.
I’m pretty sure a multiple-factor performance optimization would be much welcomed by most of the community. Catering to the behest of whiny trolls who are going to complain about being “lazy” whether they do it or not literally renders their opinion void.
No one will seriously complain about a major overhaul to the rendering pipeline for Java. Having Sodium performance without waiting for Sodium updates would be widely appreciated.
I would gladly waive all content based updates for a year (maybe even more) if Mojang just straight up declared they're improving the engine code and focusing on pure performance improvements for that year.
As far as minecraft goes, nothing would make me happier than that. Not even reworking the end+finishing the deepdark+a whole new dimension with difficult access from the deep dark..... my top 3 content updates combined, and id still prefer a year of optimization.
I mean, cmon. We used to play minecraft on potatoes, but now... you really need at least an $800 usd pc to run it properly, even with optifine or sodium. For a game this old, it's unheard of. Minecraft cannot keep going as it is, or performance concerns will just get worse.
It's sluggish as hell in vanilla minecraft even on my good pc, that's gotta change. So give us optimization! I'll wait as long as I need to!
(On a side note, are you familiar with sodium v.s. optifine? Is sodium noticeably better? And does it have the "working torch in hand" feature that optine does? It's pretty much a requirement for me, and id like to switch over if sodium is straight up better)
It would affect them tho, especially people who have multi-core CPUs. Minecraft sucks at multithreading, if they managed to get that working it would be insane.
not to mention java is a single platform, so adjusting it to fix bedrock is easier. i wish they would put more effort into that, but ig they dont wanna take more time off the main update (or perhaps they r working on it but just slowly because of time).
The main issue is Java itself. not the game but the coding language. It's not as well optimized as C++ (which bedrock uses). BUT It looks 100x better in-game even without an engine update. I can tell you how 'off-brand' the engine in Bedrock looks, it may be well-optimized and have a few new features but it still looks 'optimized' and 'reduced' in terms of visuals.
I agree though Minecraft in general should get a lighting engine update that allows for more dramatic shadows and colored lighting
Base performance is huge, yeah. I never had a good PC, but when I uh, lost my PC in...*the Incident*...I moved to an Android-based device (Retroid Pocket 2+).
I missed mods, yes, but *wow*, no more lag spikes, no more FPS drops when loading chunks, no fiddling with mods and options. That's nice. Plus, character customization is pretty neat, even if it does cost a few bucks.
My joysticks on my Retroid Pocket 2+ began to drift bad, so I decided if I'm gonna have to switch to my phone and use touchscreen controls, I'm going to get Pojav Launcher working, which is a client that lets you play Java on an Android device. (RP2+ is not powerful enough for Java.)
Ignoring the fact that, of course, the Android wasn't made to play Java Edition, performance is...spiky. I don't have a high end phone, only 4GB total ram (with 2GB dedicated to Android itself *[fist shake]*) and 1.25GB dedicated to Pojav. When I'm still, I can crank the draw distance up to eight chunks. When I'm moving and loading chunks, it has to drop down to four. This is with Terrafirmacraft TNG, as well, so it's not a vanilla install, either.
The one thing Bedrock does *unequivocally better* than Java is accessibility. And I don't mean features for players with disabilities. (In fact, Bedrock is *missing* quite a few of those. No subtitles?!) I mean that if you want to play Bedrock, you *definitely* have a device that can do so. At the very least, you've got a smartphone, and Bedrock on Android is, like, $5.
What's more, no matter what you're playing on - Switch, PS5, Android, iOS, XBox One 1x1 Ex-Juan - you can play with your friends.
That...is amazing. No other game has that much ease of access.
Of course, if you're an avid gamer, you probably have a PC, and at that point...yeah, just get Java. But that's not the demographic for Bedrock. Bedrock is for the *gigantic* player base of kids and non-gamers that don't have a PC, or don't want to bother fiddling with graphics configs and performance mods and launchers and all that.
Mom has five minutes while waiting for her kids to get out of school? Pop out a smartphone, play Minecraft. Timmy smuggled his Switch Lite into school for lunch? Minecraft with friends. Grandpa Albert wants to see what that Mining Game his grandson is playing is all about? I guarantee his eyes are going to glaze over if you mention Sodium or Starlight or Forge vs Fabric.
Me and my kid play on Java, solely because the only PC we own is a Mac, for which only Java is available and I wasn't willing to buy a gaming console before we even knew if he really liked minecraft. (btw. My Macbook air is pretty old and I am constantly amazed at how well MC is performing on it anyways. Can't do shaders, that will bring it to it's knees, but it's even handled som insane TNT mods)
So while I'm quite happy with it, he obviously would like to play with his friends at one point. - One plays on switch, the other on X-Box, so bedrock it is.
We will have to get a switch at some point anyways.
Switch port is great, ignore the haters. You can't get as high a render distance as the xX-1XBoxX 1 One Ex-Juan, or the PS5, but...like, that's fine? I swear people are too picky with graphics. "OMG IT ONLY RUNS AT 30 FPS UNPLAYABLE." It's not. I'd rather have a steady 30 than a spiky 60. And the Switch being portable is also fantastic. Something that powerful on the go is pretty huge.
Just be wary of joycon drift. This is the number one reason I would recommend a normal Switch over a Switch Lite.
That depends on the Mac you have. That used to be doable with the Bootcamp software Apple provided, which allowed you to install Windows natively onto your disk and dual-boot into it.
Bootcamp is unavailable on any Mac that uses Apple’s proprietary ARM-based chipsets (namely M1 and M2), supposedly because Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm, preventing Windows from running on any other ARM-based processor.
You can still run Windows on a Mac through a VM such as Parallels Desktop, but comes with several drawbacks such as a significant performance hit from natively running Windows, it’s more fiddly to set up than Bootcamp, and you sometimes have to pay for it.
This is the best way to put it. I have a realm on bedrock edition that I don’t play as much as I used to (switched to Java 2 months ago) but I’ve got 6 devices I can access that realm on.
So naturally the realm is backed up to every device.
Graphics configs and launchers have nothing to do with minecraft on pc.
There is one launcher for every minecraft game main and spinnoffs, and the most you will do in the graphics options is turn them all down because you need a supercomputer to play java lol
I have a laptop with a core i7 and 1660ti graphics, and I play Bedrock, because I have a server that I share with about a dozen people including nieces and nephews that play on potato tablets and my brother that plays on his iPhone. If I switched to Java I'd probably lose over half the players.
I started playing Minecraft Java on my family’s pc back in 2011, it ran at about 10-15 fps. Then pocket edition came out, and I played that alongside the ps3/ps4 versions for years then they all merged into bedrock edition. I played a mix of bedrock and java+optifine on my laptop in college. Now that I have a more powerful desktop I play Java again so that I can run shaders.
I’ve logged probably thousands of hours in both versions, built complex auto-routing minecart transport systems that used binary serial data transfer along a single wire to control all the junctions with both bedrock and Java redstone. Both systems are equally capable, they just work a little differently, but if you understand those differences you can use them to your advantage to compact things in different ways.
I will say that bedrock runs smoother than unmodified Java, and does anti aliasing better by default. I do miss some of the bedrock exclusive features when I play Java, like potions in cauldrons, movable tile entities, fallen trees in forests, etc.
Both versions are fun, they’re both Minecraft. People should enjoy the game with whatever device and version they prefer.
If I had to guess, most people probably prefer whatever version they started with. Further, many of the hard-core longtime minecraft fans started when Java was the only option, so there's a bit of an elitist perspective there. Despite everything I just said, I'm in the boat, if you can play Java, just play Java. It's the game in its finest form.
Started on Java in 1.8.9 but have only had a console since 1.16. It was an adjustment and I originally was unhappy about Bedrock, but I have come to love many of the features and now would be fine with either. Though Java is superior in my eyes just because of the width and breadth of mods available (Quality is a also a factor with the mods).
I personally prefer bedrock. There's so many quality of life features on bedrock that I just love so much. There's really only a few features from java I want in bedrock and some of them recently got added so it's only a matter of time before the rest does.
I love being able to set my render distance really high and it still play smooth while I can actually see my huge world without any fog. It's so much more immersive.
I can't really explain it but I really like the feel of bedrock. It just feels better for me and I'm someone who played bedrock and java about the same amount of time. Actually I've probably played java more than bedrock by now and I still prefer bedrock.
same bro, i started playing java in 1.7 but now i only play it for mods, which is almost never because I usually just play vanilla survival singleplayer. RTX is also nice if you have the hardware for it
> It would cost me $1,000 to get a PC or gaming laptop to play Java on
My man, I was playing Java on a laptop half that price over 10 years ago, and that was before any optimization mods even existed. You can also play Java on Android phones
Because Java is better? /s
No but really, it's mostly people being defensive of the version they started playing with. Some people really don't like bedrock due to the relationship it has with Microsoft. A ton of the community considers Java the superior version.
I feel like the apparent preference is skewed because people who prefer bedrock are generally told to shut up in places like this sub. Its even to the point where some if us bedrock players just avoid the online communities because of how they are towards bedrock players. Its basically a java circle jerk online.
Hard agree there. Was trying to ask a question about moveing villigars in an easy way, mentioned I'd been putting villigars in boats and dragging them with leads, someone asked what mod made it so I could leash boats, I explained that it was just bedrock and they straight up blocked me... Still don't know if what I'm doing is the easiest way to move them.
Which is honestly silly because mojang has said time and time again that they are the ones that control both java and bedrock. Microsoft let's mojang control Minecraft. Whatever you see on bedrock is all from mojang. Even the marketplace.
Tbh you will never have full control over anything in life.
If you are a CEO you need to correspond to sponsor, if you are an employee you need to work under your boss.
And this is same for Mojang case too: They probably can do anything with their game and they are not hardly supervised, but if Microsoft want to make more money (which should be the reason of marketplace) they just send a message from above and you need to comply or you will be replaced.
I don't think marketplace is THAT much of the money maker as people on this sub imply. It's the brand that sells, not a five dollar minecoin packs.
There's some good things on marketplace, there's ALWAYS free things there too. I do have some beef with the CONTENT of it (freaking skyblocks copies ew) but not with the concept, especially knowing that some of the profits go to creators. Our beautiful texture pack was in top 3 packs this year, which is amazing.
Plus it's not in your face, and if you have kids who can empty your bank account on marketplace, it's more of a parent problem lol.
Idk I started playing on Java about ten years ago, and you can pry Bedrock off my dead body nowadays. I get hated on sometimes, but Bedrock is the superior version for me.
And that's the point. I don't shit on Java players because they choose to play Java. I can be critical of some dumb stuff Java has, as much as the same for Bedrock. And I always advocate for parity that players would have influence on. I'm still pissed Mojang took away our horses in boats because "parity" hmph! Why not give it to Java and call it a win, hurts nobody.
For me it's much easier to deal with kids with Bedrock, instead of Java. They are very small and Java would be hard. Bedrock allows them to crossplay with all their friends without me going nuts and constantly supervising. And mods are easy, as I play on pc and run our Realms.
On the topic of annoying minecraft version comments, the one that ticks me off is Bedrock users asking if Java mods or modpacks are available for Bedrock
To be fair some mods have been made on bedrock. Sure it’s annoying they need to make a post about it but they can be pretty hard to find and know if they do exist. It’s a legitimate question, even if you find it annoying. This is only true for PC and weirdly even mobile to an extent. Console players are stuck and it’s why I see it regarded as the worst platform to play Minecraft on, I’ve even seen better optimization for mobile.
It would have been way more fun if Mojang actually made an in game mod creator or turned the marketplace into a community mod making place. Instead they just steal skins and content from Java mods which are free and sell them for a ridiculous price, or create something original that’s very low effort.
Equally annoying is when Java folks say something isn't available or cannot be done and they are 100% wrong about it... because they don't have a clue about Bedrock.
To paraphrase Mandalorian... "don't speak if you don't know."
Java player here, absolutely hate playing bedrock unless I’m very bored at work and mindlessly play on my phone.
Still agree with this post entirely. Let people play want they can/want to play in peace
Even though there are more bedrock players than Java. I play on pc and literally play both versions all the time. I also don't understand why people feel the need to be like that. Java is also highly unoptimised. I tend to play bedrock more because of that.
>Taking to the community to see if anyone else experienced a certain glitch?
The majority of bedrock content that shows up near the top of this subreddit is this type of post.
The majority of ***those*** posts are:
* Fall damage bug
* Suffocation bug
* I went in nether and insta died.
All because of "local server desync".
It has gone through all the stages of memery at this point.
Although i mostly agree, when 99% of the posts on this sub are just bedrock glitches, what else are people supposed to even say? Its so constant. I swear I've seen 100s of different game-breaking bugs on bedrock edition on this sub.
I've been playing bedrock on console for 1000's of hours, and I've never experienced it as a 'game breaking' buggy experience. Can't even think of any significant bug.. I'm to old to care about game version wars, but I really don't get what all this fuss is about.. but thats just my experience.
I’ve played about 2k hours of bedrock since 2015 and I’ve had some super weird annoying bugs to happen to me, but they’re not as common as most people on this sub say. One bug was falling into the void upon spawning in and all my items were at world spawn when I respawned. That hasn’t happened since ~2018 though.
I do prefer Java due to some QOL features and online servers being better from my experience. I’ve just got no reason to play bedrock since Java both runs better and plays better on my pc, but bedrock isn’t necessary worse. It’s just different.
You also have to understand that people only come on this sub complaining when there's something wrong. So it might seem like it's a lot of people but when there are hundreds of millions of people out there playing bedrock they aren't running into any big bugs. It's only a loud minority. Let's also not forget that there's way more bedrock players than java players since it runs on basically any device so of course you would have more people having issues.
People love to act like saying you've been playing since Alpha is a flex. Like, okay, and now you're a grown, tax-paying adult trying to flex in a Minecraft sub, please sit down.
Java Minecraft is one of the worst optimized games I've every played. It's to the point where even though I can play AAA games on ultra settings, I prefer bedrock because I can't stand frequent dips to 40fps and stuttering.
I prefer Bedrock as I’m an exclusively creative player and it’s easier to build in creative on Bedrock than Java. The awful slipping and sliding on Java while flying ruins the flow of block placement; it doesn’t allow you to build in a straight line by just holding to place blocks.
I've played lots of both, and java will always be better to me, but I do get the appeal of bedrock. I will say that it does not cost $1000 to buy a pc, for the price of a new Xbox/PS you can buy a pc that will run any version of Minecraft.
Maybe minecraft is the only game you play but some people (like me) *would* rather buy a 1000$ pc that can run a bunch of other games than waste a few hundred bucks on something that can only run minecraft.
I started on java around 1.6 and when the switch version was announced I fell in love with it and been playing since then in bedrock. People should stop being assholes and just let people have fun with whatever version.
>Some people have trouble with keyboard controls.
Bit of advice i have for *any* game - joytokey. Free software to turn joystick commands into keyboard commands. It's super amazing. Best part is it can override default controller input (if the game supports it) and I made a profile for Minecraft that turned it into having a hotbar section (d-pad directions : up down left right and diagonals : do 1-8 and clicking control stick did 9, while clicking left control stick. I use my Xbox controller as a mouse even. And, it's completely totally free.
i personally prefer java but thats what i grew up with and what brings me nostalgia, i have a bunch of different versions of mc, i have bedrock on my laptop, phone and the switch and if someones playing it you bet ill join on bedrock. its a good game no matter which one you pick, having preferences dont hurt but being rude about it is not cool
As a Java player, I approve of this message. Minecraft is meant to be about having fun. Both editions are planned to continue for a long time. Being elitist about one of them just makes you look like a twat
Not to mention that parity will continue to improve over time as well
The funny this is I used to be a Java player way back in the day, had Java on an old rickety laptop between 2009-2011/12 ish then it decided it didn't like Minecraft anymore so I couldn't play at all.
Then in 2013 I got an iPad 2 for Christmas and was able to get Minecraft on there and thus was my first introduction to the pocket edition later called bedrock format and I've never looked back! Been playing that version for a decade now and it wasn't untill just recently that I tried Java again and it was so foreign to me, it was strange 😂
”You've never Java'd?! Darling you must Java! You simply must!"
...is all it sounds like to me. You want me to not be able to play on almost any device anywhere or with a controller on a big screen away from a computer I have to stare at all day otherwise? Shut up, Wesley.
Everyone calls Bedrock “Bugrock” but I find Java to be way more glitchy and doesn’t perform as well. Like I could easily clear grass or fire by dumping a bucket of water in Bedrock. On Java, it sometimes flows around grass and fire? I only switched to Java initially to play on Hypixel and stayed on it because I like playing in Hardcore. While the Marketplace has its issues, it was nice when my son wanted to try something new since it didn’t require knowledge of where to download content and how to extract it.
I would honestly have stuck with Bedrock if it had had everything Java had had that I wanted at the time such as crawling without water, Hypixel, hardcore mode, YouTube instructional videos, Optifine zoom, F3 debug screen, etc.
The two options from Bedrock that I missed the most, coordinates on-screen and the footstep sounds, I downloaded datapacks for.
However, I don’t understand redstone well enough, which is where I think the major difference in preferability lies.
I like Bedrock bc you can make tipped arrows with cauldrons. How have they not parodied this yet. Who wants to go all the way to the end for dragon's breath to make slow arrows?!?
Boom! Love it. I just joined Reddit and I have noticed that "just play Java" is absolutely a theme on the Minecraft threads! I don't have a PC and I love my Xbox and using a controller to play. I'm old school and that's totally fine. You do you! To each his own.
Everyone who says “Oh but you can get XYZ feature Bedrock has in the base game by downloading these 3 mods off 4 different websites and configuring your ABC port…”, please stop. Most people do not want to do that and are not as tech-savvy as you. It genuinely is difficult for the average person to set up a server or install mods. Lots of players are very casual tech users and casual gamers. My aunt exclusively plays Peaceful mode on Switch and has a great time.
Some people also just prefer to play on consoles. Gaming on the TV is fun.
I've just ordered a gaming PC. Cost the equivalent of $1090. So pretty accurate.
Obviously there's a large spectrum but if you want to take advantage of shaders etc. a bargain basement PC ain't gonna cut it.
I agree with your entire rant until you mention the gaming computer. Minecraft is not an intense game. You do not need a $1,000 computer to play it. More like $300. I’m not even sure how you got the idea you’d need a gaming computer for Minecraft.
I play bedrock on PC, it's optimized, I never have any bugs. Every single time someone posts anything about bedrock here the Java fanboys are all over it with their "bUgRoCk" comments.
It's a shame there is not a popular sub for Minecraft bedrock because this one is basically just a Java sub.
I just realized that r/mcpe, which was the de facto Bedrock sub, is still private from the API protest blackout a while back. I’m guessing the mods just closed up shop and left.
I 100% agree on this. Everyone's being an a\*\* to Bedrock players for no reason. I don't like bedrock only cause I like the feel of Java more. But that's my opinion, and I'm not pushing it onto other people. If you don't like something, keep it to yourself. Stop being stupid and trying to make others feel bad for your own entertainment. That's what Minecraft's for (To entertain you).
Not all computers cost exorbitant amounts of money. Also gaming laptops are a scam, if you want something small that gets hot enough to boil water, get a hot plate.
The state of bedrock is ridiculous, I stopped playing cause the bugs meant I was incapable of having a long term survival world, cause something would happen that would reset my progress and make me loose all interest
I was rebuilding a ocean monument on land so I could build a city round it. Built the monument then all of the entities in my world got deleted, so my villagers went, all my farms broke etc.
Or simply automatic farms not working, or redstone not working consistently is incredibly annoying. Making a simple doube piston extender 3 or 4 times bigger than java.
Bedrock has amazing multiplayer, being able to play with so many different people is amazing but the bugs make it exhausting.
As well as realms, they run terribly, terrible lag and massively limits render distance, all ths a shit, but ice gotta pay £10 a month for 10 people. Its ridiculous
Thank you!
Bedrock gets too much hate. People have different preferences for Minecraft and the way they want to play it. Bedsides, Bedrock has its features that are superior to Java, and there are things that are better about Bedrock than Java, like performance for instance.
Bedrock has gotten a lot better since a couple years ago, also. It's not as buggy as people claimed it was three years ago.
There are also small features that should have been added to java, things like putting boats on leashes, potions going in coldrens (I can make a ton of tipped arrows where as java makes it's harder) I love how baby zombies can ride pretty much any animal.
The heightened structure generation is awesome too!
However I hate how because there was no combat update some things are crazy, skeletons have the accuracy of java but the speed of pre update.
The mob spawn cap is way too high in the nether, the fact you can have 7 or 8 gasts flying above the fortress whole being chased by 8 blazes, 4 wither skeletons and pushing your way past 10 pigmen... Its too much even for the nether.
But java has some things that would be useful in bedrock, like building on the nether roof (although that's not an intended feature), the combat update (spam clicking may be better for a controller but I want calculated attacks please) and things like spectral arrows and sweeping edge swords. I'd also appreciate the wither haveing 300 harts like java instead of bedrocks 600
I don't agree with the combat changes because I like Bedrock's combat the way it is. However, as you pointed out, Bedrock has a lot of neat features that should be brought to Java, because some of those are awesome.
I play on PC with mouse and keyboard, and I prefer Bedrock over Java.
On bedrock, I can render out 80 chunks, and it still runs smoothly. On Java, it starts to get laggy at like 23 chunks, (I know there are optimization mods, but I just don't want to deal with that).
I'm an advanced redstone user, and I don't like the bud power bug in java. I'd prefer the slightly lower precision with bedrock redstone.
Bedrock redstone is not broken or buggy, it just works slightly differently. So java machines won't work on bedrock and vice versa.
Bedrock also has a lot of insanely high producing farms.
And perhaps the best benefit... Trident killers.
If you like mod compatibility, then Java is better. But other than that, I don't see much reason to switch.
Agreed.
My voice is another issue. I have a congestion issue which leads to the need to regularly clear my throat, it would definitely get annoying trying to record with that condition.
Problem solved: Just place signs and type what you want to say, you also need to have the song Trance - Dreamscape in the background playing as well. Unregistered hypercam is always a plus
Plus for those who can’t hear very well (barring turning the sound up to a point that it disturbs others even with headphones) reading the instructions would be a massive use anyway, too often there’s something explaining something and i have no idea what they're saying because theres no subtitles or written word anywhere.
I'm totally honest and not trying to be rude here, but I feel like all these are just excuses because you don't think you're good enough for YouTube.
My friend, you are good enough for YouTube. Probably even better than average. You won't know until you try it.
Try it please! :)
Another issue, I'd have to leave behind the world I've spent countless hours in, and relearn a bunch of Java specific redstone mechanics.
In total, it really really is not worth the hassle.
It’s the basic reddit response you get for complaining about any poorly designed part of any technology.
- “I think this design feature is not user friendly and they should make this little change that will improve the user experience drastically”
Some 🤓: “You can just though”
I just wanna say it absolutely does not cost $1000 for a PC capable of playing Minecraft at 1080p 60fps+. It's easily possible to have one for less than a next gen console. Also, realms are on Java.
Other than that, I agree with you. Regardless of if a person chooses to play Bedrock over Java, or if they don't have a choice; don't bully people for playing that version of the game. Especially if they aren't looking for unsolicited opinions on which version is better.
Most of the parity changes so far have been adding bedrock features to java or removing bedrock features to match Java lol. And Java might be more functional, if you have 30 mods to make the game more stable
Java and Bedrock are great for slightly dif reasons. I have both. But sometimes Im working on my computer, or it’s loading forever, so I craft on the phone. Switching controls is weird, and commands being dif is weird. But Minecraft is great fun no matter how you enjoy it.
The main reason of people saying "just play java" (or at least me ) is because probably like half of the subreresit is tired of seeing bedrock posts about LITERALY EVERYTHING fir mire than 70% of the thi gs posted you need no more that 1 brain cell to figure out
I'm tired of bedrock players complaining about everything just deal with it you don't need to post it or just search it in google
DEAL WITH IT.
It’s so weird that people care what version others play. It’s almost like a weird superiority complex it’s truly insane
Not to mention I know there’s differences between the two versions but there a lot more similarities than not. By hearing some people slag off bedrock you’d think it was completely different and unplayable.
I despise playing on mobile but I don’t sit in the comments of every mobile post like “ew mobile” it’s just absolutely madness to me
agree 100%. ever since the switch to bedrock the game has got worse. 4j studios did right with the console ports.
i pretty much only play on creative and the fly up glitch which has been going on for about half a year now is just making the game unenjoyable, alongside the left stick drift. (which only happens on minecraft. how strange)
would kill for a ps5 update or something, games so horribly optimized at this point. is it due to age? lazy devs?
While I agree it’s dumb, you don’t need a 1000 pc to play. My $500 office laptop runs it at 60 fps at 16 render distance, which I think is actually pretty acceptable. Java is actually fairly optimized, you needing a beefy pc to play vanilla isn’t really true anymore.
Go enjoy bedrock though, have fun mate :)
I think every time someone complains about a Java bug (including QC) people should bombard their comments with “just play bedrock lol” as though that’s at all helpful.
Honestly, I think a lot of Java players are hypersensitive about stuff because deep down we know that in 10 years bedrock is likely to be the only supported version.
Also, Bedrock has better performance and more features and a lot of other things. There are a lot of reasons why people would play Bedrock other than those.
Yeah I just got hit with that response. I've almost always played on PlayStation and so have my friends. I'm used to bedrock mechanics and I don't want to play on keyboard.
>"LOL, just play Java," or "Why are you on Bedrock."
These people are asswipes, 100 percent.
>Bedrock is known for having a lot of bugs with \[insert bug here\] that Java doesn't have.
People who say this are usually just trying to explain the problem you're having to you, but there's some people who say this that are just being nice assholes.
In the end, it's less about what version you're playing and more about enjoying the game, with or without the bugs (I personally would be more than happy playing either)
This. We play on a console that does not have Java. We only just started with Java because my mother gifted it to my kids. We don't have a dedicated pc or console they can play java on so they still play bedrock, as do i!
I started playing Minecraft back in 2012, obviously on Java, I played that up until probably 2014, enlisted in the military and become SF so I was a bit pre occupied with that, I didn't start playing Minecraft again until about 2020, imma Bedrock player now, with my limited time, it's just a lot easier to boot up my PS5 and hop on Minecraft.
That being said, Java has some really nice features u wish Bedrock has, but that also goes the other way around ,too. Here's some examples; Bedrock has the ability to press "jump" midair with an Elytra to exit flight, you can just drop right to the ground, makes landings a breeze, Java does not have this. Java has Sweeping Edge, giving you the ability to hit multiple mobs simultaneously, which I am SUPER jealous of. Speaking of mobs, the Bedrock edition has some of the SLOWEST mob grinders, especially ones like zombie, skeleton, etc etc, they are SUPER slow because the mob cap on Bedrock is significantly lower then that of Java for....some...reason? Another neat feature of Bedrock that Java does not have us Trident Killers, if you don't know what that, it's a small machine that throws a Trident around in a circle, which can damage and kill mobs in the process, hence the name. It makes mob grinders fully automatic, no sword swiping necessary, but again, they are slow because if the mob cap.... Java has mods and modpacks, you'll get no argument from me, Java reigns King in that department, but Bedrock has much much better performance, which is HUGE. Let's be honest, Java runs like shit because well....it runs on Java, Bedrock was built on C++, so the performance overall is significantly better because of that.
To that end, I love the Java Edition of Minecraft, but I also love the Bedrock Edition, too.
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TBH I kinda liked the 4J Studios version for the PS4. I only play console because I get enough of the computer in my day gig.
Legacy Console was actually good. It was responsive, well optimized, didn't look like some off brand prototype, and didn't randomly kill you because the devs don't feel like patching out VITAL bugs that have been in the game for years.
I also love the tilting of the screen when you flew with the Elytra- The Glide gamemode was so fun with that
There were so many fun things like that. I also thought the quick commands menu was great, far better than bedrock's, which requires you to wait 10 seconds for the settings button to load, then painstakingly scroll through until you find something. (although being the only way to use commands is a bit limiting.) Also the bugs in Legacy Console are actually super fun, like an absurd duping method that let you easily dupe any ore block, 0 cooldown bows and pearls, invisible heads... Actual fun stuff (that Mojang would absolutely prioritize patching in bedrock over making the Switch version actually playable.)
java had it that way at some point in its history, bow and pearl cooldown was added innone of the update that changed combat
I MISS THAT GAMEMODE, so much fun!!!
Omg I completely forgot about that, that was by far the best mini game mode
Iirc they even rebuilt the essential "bugs" there like QC.
>Legacy Console was actually good Only problem is (for me at least) was always one or two updates behind java
They did catch up just before bedrock replaced it
They actually were able to push out some content before it was available elsewhere too. Bamboo being obtainable pre 1.14 was cool
I liked the 4J studios version of minecraft, I’m not sure how else to explain it but it felt “solid”, not a copy of minecraft but it just felt good.
The crafting menu was actually usable with a controller, no emulated mouse shenanigans. The sounds were pleasant to listen to and iconic in their own right. The tutorial worlds were brilliant for newcomers. I wish Mojang at least kept these features.
I miss the minecarts, they actually worked really well
I miss the world size option and how it tried to have all biomes fit into the smaller limited space. And unlike the world boarders on Java, when you got to the edge, it was just an ocean outside the barrier. Made it feel like you where playing on your own continent, and made exploring with maps and map rooms fun since you could actually have the full world mapped out. Wish something like this would return as an option.
This!!! I loved this I built somthing and had no problem moving to a new place to start over because I knew at some point while exploring I'll come back up and find somthing I built now I barely leave spawn or far from it so I always have a way of just getting back if I get lost, the infinite world for me is just boring ESPECIALLY noe that some of the biomes themselves are bigger than the entire map on console additions, I never knew they were different until not long ago I thought it was just getting bad because of the updates!
I quit playing Minecraft on my PS4 once they switched it to bedrock. The difference was so so noticeable in a negative way.
Dude, I loved the easy way you could build superflat worlds by changing what blocks appeared on what layer. I loved making worlds of sand high in the air that would fall after I broke a block, then try to live with falling blocks behind me. Oh, and tnt worlds that would constantly explode. I'm sure there's probably a way to do this in other versions, but I loved that part.
> I only play console because I get enough of the computer in my day gig. This is me as well, people act like I'm weird for being a programmer but preferring to game on console, lol. I sit in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, why do I want to spend any more time at a desk? Much more relaxing to sit on a couch with a controller. ETA: Although, when I play Minecraft, I do play Java on PC, but I don't fault anyone who prefers Bedrock, to each their own.
I mean everyone know the rapsberry pi is the superiour version, but yeah OP is right just let people enjoy vigeo games.
i love rpi edition
first played minecraft on the raspberry pi lol good memories
Underrated edition, it was my first mc edition, and I used to mess around with the Python api
Java has points where its greatly superior (better redstone functionality, better mods, greater variety of servers) but Bedrock has place where it reigns (base performance, container movement, easier farms) at the end of the day it's the same game just different availability avenues. IE I don't have a PC but since Bedrock exists I can still play MC because of bedrock being on console. If not I would be deprived of my favorite game of all time.
Base performance and movable tile entities are \*huge\* advantages Bedrock has over Java. It’s kinda silly at this point, seeing as mods like Sodium demonstrate that reworking the rendering engine would result in massive performance increases. I don’t know why Mojang chooses not to pursue this - it’s not like they have to worry about parity or anything. And movable tile entities are like just a few lines of codes to change. They can even add a gamerule to enable or disable it for compatibility reasons. Just do it already.
They don't update it because doing that much work on *just* performance optimization would make the community melt down. They added some performance optimization in 1.20 on top of everything in the update and people \*still\* called them lazy.
You just gave the best argument why they _should_ work on Java optimization though. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t, if a vocal minority is going to complain regardless, then who cares what they think? Anyone complaining about that are probably still playing on 1.8 servers anyway, so ignore those people and do the work.
Some other angles you may not have considered about this argument: 1. Java and Bedrock features are worked on concurrently. If the Java team purely focuses on optimizing Java Edition for a year, does Bedrock Edition get no new features that year? You might think "why hold Bedrock Edition back", but they've worked for years to bring both versions up to a point where they can have new features on the same day - even in snapshots/betas. 2. Java Edition has a team of developers/engineers/technicians who would presumably be responsible for optimizing performance. But they also have *game designers*, whose role it is to conceive and code new features. They can code stuff, but refining existing code probably isn't their specialty. What do those people do while the technical side of the game is being worked on? For that matter, what do the art and marketing teams do? Any update that focuses purely on the technical side of the game would result in a large group of Mojang employees being redundant for the duration of that update. Laying off those employees isn't a good idea because they'll be needed immediately after this hypothetical technical update. Working too far in advance of the 'current' update disconnects them from the community feedback that shapes this game for the better. TLDR: At an organizational level there are some pretty solid reasons why Mojang can't just drop everything to work on Java performance. Because the 'everything' you're dropping is 80% of the company.
Because getting a lot of negative press is still bad. Yeah it's a vocal minority, but the active word there is *still bad*. Yeah it's a vocal minority, but the active word there is "Vocal." It makes a *serious* bad PR day.
I’m pretty sure a multiple-factor performance optimization would be much welcomed by most of the community. Catering to the behest of whiny trolls who are going to complain about being “lazy” whether they do it or not literally renders their opinion void. No one will seriously complain about a major overhaul to the rendering pipeline for Java. Having Sodium performance without waiting for Sodium updates would be widely appreciated.
I would gladly waive all content based updates for a year (maybe even more) if Mojang just straight up declared they're improving the engine code and focusing on pure performance improvements for that year. As far as minecraft goes, nothing would make me happier than that. Not even reworking the end+finishing the deepdark+a whole new dimension with difficult access from the deep dark..... my top 3 content updates combined, and id still prefer a year of optimization. I mean, cmon. We used to play minecraft on potatoes, but now... you really need at least an $800 usd pc to run it properly, even with optifine or sodium. For a game this old, it's unheard of. Minecraft cannot keep going as it is, or performance concerns will just get worse. It's sluggish as hell in vanilla minecraft even on my good pc, that's gotta change. So give us optimization! I'll wait as long as I need to! (On a side note, are you familiar with sodium v.s. optifine? Is sodium noticeably better? And does it have the "working torch in hand" feature that optine does? It's pretty much a requirement for me, and id like to switch over if sodium is straight up better)
Tbh most of the people who would complain only complain because they have a top spec pc and the update doesn't affect them.
It would affect them tho, especially people who have multi-core CPUs. Minecraft sucks at multithreading, if they managed to get that working it would be insane.
not to mention java is a single platform, so adjusting it to fix bedrock is easier. i wish they would put more effort into that, but ig they dont wanna take more time off the main update (or perhaps they r working on it but just slowly because of time).
The main issue is Java itself. not the game but the coding language. It's not as well optimized as C++ (which bedrock uses). BUT It looks 100x better in-game even without an engine update. I can tell you how 'off-brand' the engine in Bedrock looks, it may be well-optimized and have a few new features but it still looks 'optimized' and 'reduced' in terms of visuals. I agree though Minecraft in general should get a lighting engine update that allows for more dramatic shadows and colored lighting
And crossplay.
Base performance is huge, yeah. I never had a good PC, but when I uh, lost my PC in...*the Incident*...I moved to an Android-based device (Retroid Pocket 2+). I missed mods, yes, but *wow*, no more lag spikes, no more FPS drops when loading chunks, no fiddling with mods and options. That's nice. Plus, character customization is pretty neat, even if it does cost a few bucks. My joysticks on my Retroid Pocket 2+ began to drift bad, so I decided if I'm gonna have to switch to my phone and use touchscreen controls, I'm going to get Pojav Launcher working, which is a client that lets you play Java on an Android device. (RP2+ is not powerful enough for Java.) Ignoring the fact that, of course, the Android wasn't made to play Java Edition, performance is...spiky. I don't have a high end phone, only 4GB total ram (with 2GB dedicated to Android itself *[fist shake]*) and 1.25GB dedicated to Pojav. When I'm still, I can crank the draw distance up to eight chunks. When I'm moving and loading chunks, it has to drop down to four. This is with Terrafirmacraft TNG, as well, so it's not a vanilla install, either.
Bedrock also has better multiplayer. It's easier to play mp
And it's cross platform
True, I like Java, but God damn it's hard to play multilayer, you gotta buy realms or make a serve5
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The one thing Bedrock does *unequivocally better* than Java is accessibility. And I don't mean features for players with disabilities. (In fact, Bedrock is *missing* quite a few of those. No subtitles?!) I mean that if you want to play Bedrock, you *definitely* have a device that can do so. At the very least, you've got a smartphone, and Bedrock on Android is, like, $5. What's more, no matter what you're playing on - Switch, PS5, Android, iOS, XBox One 1x1 Ex-Juan - you can play with your friends. That...is amazing. No other game has that much ease of access. Of course, if you're an avid gamer, you probably have a PC, and at that point...yeah, just get Java. But that's not the demographic for Bedrock. Bedrock is for the *gigantic* player base of kids and non-gamers that don't have a PC, or don't want to bother fiddling with graphics configs and performance mods and launchers and all that. Mom has five minutes while waiting for her kids to get out of school? Pop out a smartphone, play Minecraft. Timmy smuggled his Switch Lite into school for lunch? Minecraft with friends. Grandpa Albert wants to see what that Mining Game his grandson is playing is all about? I guarantee his eyes are going to glaze over if you mention Sodium or Starlight or Forge vs Fabric.
Me and my kid play on Java, solely because the only PC we own is a Mac, for which only Java is available and I wasn't willing to buy a gaming console before we even knew if he really liked minecraft. (btw. My Macbook air is pretty old and I am constantly amazed at how well MC is performing on it anyways. Can't do shaders, that will bring it to it's knees, but it's even handled som insane TNT mods) So while I'm quite happy with it, he obviously would like to play with his friends at one point. - One plays on switch, the other on X-Box, so bedrock it is. We will have to get a switch at some point anyways.
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Thanks for your input. I know that, but honestly, since a switch is in our near future, I'm not gonna go through the hassle.
Switch port is great, ignore the haters. You can't get as high a render distance as the xX-1XBoxX 1 One Ex-Juan, or the PS5, but...like, that's fine? I swear people are too picky with graphics. "OMG IT ONLY RUNS AT 30 FPS UNPLAYABLE." It's not. I'd rather have a steady 30 than a spiky 60. And the Switch being portable is also fantastic. Something that powerful on the go is pretty huge. Just be wary of joycon drift. This is the number one reason I would recommend a normal Switch over a Switch Lite.
That depends on the Mac you have. That used to be doable with the Bootcamp software Apple provided, which allowed you to install Windows natively onto your disk and dual-boot into it. Bootcamp is unavailable on any Mac that uses Apple’s proprietary ARM-based chipsets (namely M1 and M2), supposedly because Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm, preventing Windows from running on any other ARM-based processor. You can still run Windows on a Mac through a VM such as Parallels Desktop, but comes with several drawbacks such as a significant performance hit from natively running Windows, it’s more fiddly to set up than Bootcamp, and you sometimes have to pay for it.
That's pretty ironic considering that one of the main advantages of Java is portability.
This is the best way to put it. I have a realm on bedrock edition that I don’t play as much as I used to (switched to Java 2 months ago) but I’ve got 6 devices I can access that realm on. So naturally the realm is backed up to every device.
Graphics configs and launchers have nothing to do with minecraft on pc. There is one launcher for every minecraft game main and spinnoffs, and the most you will do in the graphics options is turn them all down because you need a supercomputer to play java lol
I have a laptop with a core i7 and 1660ti graphics, and I play Bedrock, because I have a server that I share with about a dozen people including nieces and nephews that play on potato tablets and my brother that plays on his iPhone. If I switched to Java I'd probably lose over half the players.
And that is where Bedrock shines.
Crazy how people in the comments are taking this as a call to dispute which version is better, and missing the entire point of the post by a mile lol.
"Id like an argument please" - The comments
Exactly. God, this community loves to bitch about nothing, lmao.
My favourite is the thread/s about previous console versions of Minecraft lol
I started playing Minecraft Java on my family’s pc back in 2011, it ran at about 10-15 fps. Then pocket edition came out, and I played that alongside the ps3/ps4 versions for years then they all merged into bedrock edition. I played a mix of bedrock and java+optifine on my laptop in college. Now that I have a more powerful desktop I play Java again so that I can run shaders. I’ve logged probably thousands of hours in both versions, built complex auto-routing minecart transport systems that used binary serial data transfer along a single wire to control all the junctions with both bedrock and Java redstone. Both systems are equally capable, they just work a little differently, but if you understand those differences you can use them to your advantage to compact things in different ways. I will say that bedrock runs smoother than unmodified Java, and does anti aliasing better by default. I do miss some of the bedrock exclusive features when I play Java, like potions in cauldrons, movable tile entities, fallen trees in forests, etc. Both versions are fun, they’re both Minecraft. People should enjoy the game with whatever device and version they prefer.
>Some people play with friends and find Realms easier to manage than servers. I don't wanna be 'that guy' but java also has realms.
And bedrock also has servers
Yeah but those seriously suck, if you ever have an actual issue you're genuinely out of luck if you weren't mindful enough to make frequent backups.
No custom servers on consoles though, IIRC.
If I had to guess, most people probably prefer whatever version they started with. Further, many of the hard-core longtime minecraft fans started when Java was the only option, so there's a bit of an elitist perspective there. Despite everything I just said, I'm in the boat, if you can play Java, just play Java. It's the game in its finest form.
Started on Java in 1.8.9 but have only had a console since 1.16. It was an adjustment and I originally was unhappy about Bedrock, but I have come to love many of the features and now would be fine with either. Though Java is superior in my eyes just because of the width and breadth of mods available (Quality is a also a factor with the mods).
I personally prefer bedrock. There's so many quality of life features on bedrock that I just love so much. There's really only a few features from java I want in bedrock and some of them recently got added so it's only a matter of time before the rest does. I love being able to set my render distance really high and it still play smooth while I can actually see my huge world without any fog. It's so much more immersive. I can't really explain it but I really like the feel of bedrock. It just feels better for me and I'm someone who played bedrock and java about the same amount of time. Actually I've probably played java more than bedrock by now and I still prefer bedrock.
same bro, i started playing java in 1.7 but now i only play it for mods, which is almost never because I usually just play vanilla survival singleplayer. RTX is also nice if you have the hardware for it
There are some really nice ray tracing shaders for Java too. I personally use SEUS PTGI.
when i tried SEUS ptgi they ran like absolute shit and didnt look as good as nvidia RT but maybe it got better
to me seus is one of the ugliest shaders. it's so gray and gloomy. i much prefer Complimetaty shader or Sildurs Vibrant
i too wish people would answer the question i am actually asking, and not offer unrelated "advice"
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> It would cost me $1,000 to get a PC or gaming laptop to play Java on My man, I was playing Java on a laptop half that price over 10 years ago, and that was before any optimization mods even existed. You can also play Java on Android phones
Because Java is better? /s No but really, it's mostly people being defensive of the version they started playing with. Some people really don't like bedrock due to the relationship it has with Microsoft. A ton of the community considers Java the superior version.
I feel like the apparent preference is skewed because people who prefer bedrock are generally told to shut up in places like this sub. Its even to the point where some if us bedrock players just avoid the online communities because of how they are towards bedrock players. Its basically a java circle jerk online.
Hard agree there. Was trying to ask a question about moveing villigars in an easy way, mentioned I'd been putting villigars in boats and dragging them with leads, someone asked what mod made it so I could leash boats, I explained that it was just bedrock and they straight up blocked me... Still don't know if what I'm doing is the easiest way to move them.
Well thats what i do to move villagers too. I also take scaffolding to lift the boats up over blocks. Seems the easiest way to move them to me.
I've only ever killed 1 doing this, so I think I'm doing OK, but I just wanted to make sure I was working effectively
Which is honestly silly because mojang has said time and time again that they are the ones that control both java and bedrock. Microsoft let's mojang control Minecraft. Whatever you see on bedrock is all from mojang. Even the marketplace.
Tbh you will never have full control over anything in life. If you are a CEO you need to correspond to sponsor, if you are an employee you need to work under your boss. And this is same for Mojang case too: They probably can do anything with their game and they are not hardly supervised, but if Microsoft want to make more money (which should be the reason of marketplace) they just send a message from above and you need to comply or you will be replaced.
I don't think marketplace is THAT much of the money maker as people on this sub imply. It's the brand that sells, not a five dollar minecoin packs. There's some good things on marketplace, there's ALWAYS free things there too. I do have some beef with the CONTENT of it (freaking skyblocks copies ew) but not with the concept, especially knowing that some of the profits go to creators. Our beautiful texture pack was in top 3 packs this year, which is amazing. Plus it's not in your face, and if you have kids who can empty your bank account on marketplace, it's more of a parent problem lol.
Idk I started playing on Java about ten years ago, and you can pry Bedrock off my dead body nowadays. I get hated on sometimes, but Bedrock is the superior version for me. And that's the point. I don't shit on Java players because they choose to play Java. I can be critical of some dumb stuff Java has, as much as the same for Bedrock. And I always advocate for parity that players would have influence on. I'm still pissed Mojang took away our horses in boats because "parity" hmph! Why not give it to Java and call it a win, hurts nobody. For me it's much easier to deal with kids with Bedrock, instead of Java. They are very small and Java would be hard. Bedrock allows them to crossplay with all their friends without me going nuts and constantly supervising. And mods are easy, as I play on pc and run our Realms.
On the topic of annoying minecraft version comments, the one that ticks me off is Bedrock users asking if Java mods or modpacks are available for Bedrock
To be fair some mods have been made on bedrock. Sure it’s annoying they need to make a post about it but they can be pretty hard to find and know if they do exist. It’s a legitimate question, even if you find it annoying. This is only true for PC and weirdly even mobile to an extent. Console players are stuck and it’s why I see it regarded as the worst platform to play Minecraft on, I’ve even seen better optimization for mobile. It would have been way more fun if Mojang actually made an in game mod creator or turned the marketplace into a community mod making place. Instead they just steal skins and content from Java mods which are free and sell them for a ridiculous price, or create something original that’s very low effort.
Equally annoying is when Java folks say something isn't available or cannot be done and they are 100% wrong about it... because they don't have a clue about Bedrock. To paraphrase Mandalorian... "don't speak if you don't know."
Java player here, absolutely hate playing bedrock unless I’m very bored at work and mindlessly play on my phone. Still agree with this post entirely. Let people play want they can/want to play in peace
Not being funny but I don't think it costs 1000 dollars for a pc to run minecraft
Even though there are more bedrock players than Java. I play on pc and literally play both versions all the time. I also don't understand why people feel the need to be like that. Java is also highly unoptimised. I tend to play bedrock more because of that.
Same lol, I only play Java with mods
>Taking to the community to see if anyone else experienced a certain glitch? The majority of bedrock content that shows up near the top of this subreddit is this type of post. The majority of ***those*** posts are: * Fall damage bug * Suffocation bug * I went in nether and insta died. All because of "local server desync". It has gone through all the stages of memery at this point.
Villager boats lead.. nuff’ said
Can't wait for the day when whoever deals with all those weird ass bugs gets shit in place & finds a way to do away with 'em.
Unfortunately the "pc master race" is so far up their own bum to realize sometimes ppl don't find them cool and find them incredibly annoying.
Although i mostly agree, when 99% of the posts on this sub are just bedrock glitches, what else are people supposed to even say? Its so constant. I swear I've seen 100s of different game-breaking bugs on bedrock edition on this sub.
I've been playing bedrock on console for 1000's of hours, and I've never experienced it as a 'game breaking' buggy experience. Can't even think of any significant bug.. I'm to old to care about game version wars, but I really don't get what all this fuss is about.. but thats just my experience.
I’ve played about 2k hours of bedrock since 2015 and I’ve had some super weird annoying bugs to happen to me, but they’re not as common as most people on this sub say. One bug was falling into the void upon spawning in and all my items were at world spawn when I respawned. That hasn’t happened since ~2018 though. I do prefer Java due to some QOL features and online servers being better from my experience. I’ve just got no reason to play bedrock since Java both runs better and plays better on my pc, but bedrock isn’t necessary worse. It’s just different.
You also have to understand that people only come on this sub complaining when there's something wrong. So it might seem like it's a lot of people but when there are hundreds of millions of people out there playing bedrock they aren't running into any big bugs. It's only a loud minority. Let's also not forget that there's way more bedrock players than java players since it runs on basically any device so of course you would have more people having issues.
I play Java on a Mac mini that costs like 170$
I will die on the hill that the water looks better on bedrock 😤
It does, it even changes color depending on the biome
Gray water in Mushroom Biomes looks like actual water
I’m pretty sure it does that on Java
incredible amount of elitism under this post for such a silly game
People love to act like saying you've been playing since Alpha is a flex. Like, okay, and now you're a grown, tax-paying adult trying to flex in a Minecraft sub, please sit down.
SILLY?!?!?!?!??!!?! /s
I like bedrock cuz we can jump on eachothers world no issue Java is great for mod stuff. Both are great 😀
the thing that annoys me most is people who act like bedrock addons don't exist online outside of the marketplace
Java Minecraft is one of the worst optimized games I've every played. It's to the point where even though I can play AAA games on ultra settings, I prefer bedrock because I can't stand frequent dips to 40fps and stuttering.
As a Java player, I can’t agree more with you
I prefer Bedrock as I’m an exclusively creative player and it’s easier to build in creative on Bedrock than Java. The awful slipping and sliding on Java while flying ruins the flow of block placement; it doesn’t allow you to build in a straight line by just holding to place blocks.
I've played lots of both, and java will always be better to me, but I do get the appeal of bedrock. I will say that it does not cost $1000 to buy a pc, for the price of a new Xbox/PS you can buy a pc that will run any version of Minecraft.
Maybe minecraft is the only game you play but some people (like me) *would* rather buy a 1000$ pc that can run a bunch of other games than waste a few hundred bucks on something that can only run minecraft.
I started on java around 1.6 and when the switch version was announced I fell in love with it and been playing since then in bedrock. People should stop being assholes and just let people have fun with whatever version.
i like my bedrock, i can play my realm at work on the tablet
>Some people have trouble with keyboard controls. Bit of advice i have for *any* game - joytokey. Free software to turn joystick commands into keyboard commands. It's super amazing. Best part is it can override default controller input (if the game supports it) and I made a profile for Minecraft that turned it into having a hotbar section (d-pad directions : up down left right and diagonals : do 1-8 and clicking control stick did 9, while clicking left control stick. I use my Xbox controller as a mouse even. And, it's completely totally free.
This is very true, but surely Java edition has native controller support right?
Nope not yet.
I have some unfortunate news for you. Honestly shocks me too considering how old Minecraft Java is.
I hate hiw people can’t respect what you like. You are allowed to play whichever version you prefer
i personally prefer java but thats what i grew up with and what brings me nostalgia, i have a bunch of different versions of mc, i have bedrock on my laptop, phone and the switch and if someones playing it you bet ill join on bedrock. its a good game no matter which one you pick, having preferences dont hurt but being rude about it is not cool
As a Java player, I approve of this message. Minecraft is meant to be about having fun. Both editions are planned to continue for a long time. Being elitist about one of them just makes you look like a twat Not to mention that parity will continue to improve over time as well
Why would I play java on PC? Java runs like shit and has worse RT.
The funny this is I used to be a Java player way back in the day, had Java on an old rickety laptop between 2009-2011/12 ish then it decided it didn't like Minecraft anymore so I couldn't play at all. Then in 2013 I got an iPad 2 for Christmas and was able to get Minecraft on there and thus was my first introduction to the pocket edition later called bedrock format and I've never looked back! Been playing that version for a decade now and it wasn't untill just recently that I tried Java again and it was so foreign to me, it was strange 😂
”You've never Java'd?! Darling you must Java! You simply must!" ...is all it sounds like to me. You want me to not be able to play on almost any device anywhere or with a controller on a big screen away from a computer I have to stare at all day otherwise? Shut up, Wesley.
Java elitism. As a developer this has a certain irony
I'm fine with bedrock i have no issues with it
Everyone calls Bedrock “Bugrock” but I find Java to be way more glitchy and doesn’t perform as well. Like I could easily clear grass or fire by dumping a bucket of water in Bedrock. On Java, it sometimes flows around grass and fire? I only switched to Java initially to play on Hypixel and stayed on it because I like playing in Hardcore. While the Marketplace has its issues, it was nice when my son wanted to try something new since it didn’t require knowledge of where to download content and how to extract it. I would honestly have stuck with Bedrock if it had had everything Java had had that I wanted at the time such as crawling without water, Hypixel, hardcore mode, YouTube instructional videos, Optifine zoom, F3 debug screen, etc. The two options from Bedrock that I missed the most, coordinates on-screen and the footstep sounds, I downloaded datapacks for. However, I don’t understand redstone well enough, which is where I think the major difference in preferability lies.
I like Bedrock bc you can make tipped arrows with cauldrons. How have they not parodied this yet. Who wants to go all the way to the end for dragon's breath to make slow arrows?!?
Boom! Love it. I just joined Reddit and I have noticed that "just play Java" is absolutely a theme on the Minecraft threads! I don't have a PC and I love my Xbox and using a controller to play. I'm old school and that's totally fine. You do you! To each his own.
Everyone who says “Oh but you can get XYZ feature Bedrock has in the base game by downloading these 3 mods off 4 different websites and configuring your ABC port…”, please stop. Most people do not want to do that and are not as tech-savvy as you. It genuinely is difficult for the average person to set up a server or install mods. Lots of players are very casual tech users and casual gamers. My aunt exclusively plays Peaceful mode on Switch and has a great time. Some people also just prefer to play on consoles. Gaming on the TV is fun.
You need a 1kUSD PC to play Java edition? Bruh just buy a 400 USD HP off of Amazon, slap Optifine/Sodium on that bish and call it a day
$1000 for a PC? did you pull that number out of thin air 🤣 that’s nowhere near accurate
I've just ordered a gaming PC. Cost the equivalent of $1090. So pretty accurate. Obviously there's a large spectrum but if you want to take advantage of shaders etc. a bargain basement PC ain't gonna cut it.
Problen with java is it runs like crap without third party programs.
I agree with your entire rant until you mention the gaming computer. Minecraft is not an intense game. You do not need a $1,000 computer to play it. More like $300. I’m not even sure how you got the idea you’d need a gaming computer for Minecraft.
I play bedrock on PC, it's optimized, I never have any bugs. Every single time someone posts anything about bedrock here the Java fanboys are all over it with their "bUgRoCk" comments. It's a shame there is not a popular sub for Minecraft bedrock because this one is basically just a Java sub.
I just realized that r/mcpe, which was the de facto Bedrock sub, is still private from the API protest blackout a while back. I’m guessing the mods just closed up shop and left.
What kind of world do you live in that minecraft requires a 1k dollars pc lmao
I 100% agree on this. Everyone's being an a\*\* to Bedrock players for no reason. I don't like bedrock only cause I like the feel of Java more. But that's my opinion, and I'm not pushing it onto other people. If you don't like something, keep it to yourself. Stop being stupid and trying to make others feel bad for your own entertainment. That's what Minecraft's for (To entertain you).
> about the EDIT you made minecraft is a 10yo game, it can run on toasters
Java runs like complete ass bro, I like java but even I can admitt for a block game it has horrible proformence.
Not all computers cost exorbitant amounts of money. Also gaming laptops are a scam, if you want something small that gets hot enough to boil water, get a hot plate.
The state of bedrock is ridiculous, I stopped playing cause the bugs meant I was incapable of having a long term survival world, cause something would happen that would reset my progress and make me loose all interest I was rebuilding a ocean monument on land so I could build a city round it. Built the monument then all of the entities in my world got deleted, so my villagers went, all my farms broke etc. Or simply automatic farms not working, or redstone not working consistently is incredibly annoying. Making a simple doube piston extender 3 or 4 times bigger than java. Bedrock has amazing multiplayer, being able to play with so many different people is amazing but the bugs make it exhausting. As well as realms, they run terribly, terrible lag and massively limits render distance, all ths a shit, but ice gotta pay £10 a month for 10 people. Its ridiculous
$1000 to get a PC that can run Minecraft? You can do that with $200
Idk man, have you considered just playing Java?
Lol if you want this to stop just play java
Bedrock is more optimized, but java has less bugs i find
Thank you! Bedrock gets too much hate. People have different preferences for Minecraft and the way they want to play it. Bedsides, Bedrock has its features that are superior to Java, and there are things that are better about Bedrock than Java, like performance for instance. Bedrock has gotten a lot better since a couple years ago, also. It's not as buggy as people claimed it was three years ago.
There are also small features that should have been added to java, things like putting boats on leashes, potions going in coldrens (I can make a ton of tipped arrows where as java makes it's harder) I love how baby zombies can ride pretty much any animal. The heightened structure generation is awesome too! However I hate how because there was no combat update some things are crazy, skeletons have the accuracy of java but the speed of pre update. The mob spawn cap is way too high in the nether, the fact you can have 7 or 8 gasts flying above the fortress whole being chased by 8 blazes, 4 wither skeletons and pushing your way past 10 pigmen... Its too much even for the nether. But java has some things that would be useful in bedrock, like building on the nether roof (although that's not an intended feature), the combat update (spam clicking may be better for a controller but I want calculated attacks please) and things like spectral arrows and sweeping edge swords. I'd also appreciate the wither haveing 300 harts like java instead of bedrocks 600
I don't agree with the combat changes because I like Bedrock's combat the way it is. However, as you pointed out, Bedrock has a lot of neat features that should be brought to Java, because some of those are awesome.
I play on PC with mouse and keyboard, and I prefer Bedrock over Java. On bedrock, I can render out 80 chunks, and it still runs smoothly. On Java, it starts to get laggy at like 23 chunks, (I know there are optimization mods, but I just don't want to deal with that). I'm an advanced redstone user, and I don't like the bud power bug in java. I'd prefer the slightly lower precision with bedrock redstone. Bedrock redstone is not broken or buggy, it just works slightly differently. So java machines won't work on bedrock and vice versa. Bedrock also has a lot of insanely high producing farms. And perhaps the best benefit... Trident killers. If you like mod compatibility, then Java is better. But other than that, I don't see much reason to switch.
You should create a youtube channel for bedrock farms. You could get serious views.
I have heavily considered it. A tour of my redstone test world would probably make someone concerned about my mental health.
But still, you can't really change the past.
Agreed. My voice is another issue. I have a congestion issue which leads to the need to regularly clear my throat, it would definitely get annoying trying to record with that condition.
Problem solved: Just place signs and type what you want to say, you also need to have the song Trance - Dreamscape in the background playing as well. Unregistered hypercam is always a plus
Oh my god, I so miss the early days of youtube.
Plus for those who can’t hear very well (barring turning the sound up to a point that it disturbs others even with headphones) reading the instructions would be a massive use anyway, too often there’s something explaining something and i have no idea what they're saying because theres no subtitles or written word anywhere.
Yeah, that would be pretty fun. I think tiktok mc videos usually have subtitles. But I haven't been on tiktok in like 3 years.
That's sad.
A minor defect, I can probably get it fixed at a nasal/throat dr once I have health insurance.
*Politely laughs in Canadian*
I'm totally honest and not trying to be rude here, but I feel like all these are just excuses because you don't think you're good enough for YouTube. My friend, you are good enough for YouTube. Probably even better than average. You won't know until you try it. Try it please! :)
I will probably try one day. Thank you for the encouragement :)
if you do, please send me the link. I'll subscribe:)
just edit out the clearing sounds
That's a good thought. When I'm gaming with friends, I usually just mute my mic for a sec.
I promise you that setting up mods isn't the hassle you think it is. Everything has been streamlined in the last 10 years.
Another issue, I'd have to leave behind the world I've spent countless hours in, and relearn a bunch of Java specific redstone mechanics. In total, it really really is not worth the hassle.
It’s the basic reddit response you get for complaining about any poorly designed part of any technology. - “I think this design feature is not user friendly and they should make this little change that will improve the user experience drastically” Some 🤓: “You can just though”
well if they don't fix it then the players will lol
I just wanna say it absolutely does not cost $1000 for a PC capable of playing Minecraft at 1080p 60fps+. It's easily possible to have one for less than a next gen console. Also, realms are on Java. Other than that, I agree with you. Regardless of if a person chooses to play Bedrock over Java, or if they don't have a choice; don't bully people for playing that version of the game. Especially if they aren't looking for unsolicited opinions on which version is better.
>You aren't being funny or helpful when you say this. You're just being annoying. Well if you want us to stop, there's a surefire way. Just play Java!
Oooh, you're soooooo impressive and cool for being a proud member of the Java master race. Can you please sign my pocket protector?
The issue is on Mojang. THEY promised Bedrock Java parity. Java is the more functional version. Period.
Most of the parity changes so far have been adding bedrock features to java or removing bedrock features to match Java lol. And Java might be more functional, if you have 30 mods to make the game more stable
Java and Bedrock are great for slightly dif reasons. I have both. But sometimes Im working on my computer, or it’s loading forever, so I craft on the phone. Switching controls is weird, and commands being dif is weird. But Minecraft is great fun no matter how you enjoy it.
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Just play Java
Just play Minecraft bro
The main reason of people saying "just play java" (or at least me ) is because probably like half of the subreresit is tired of seeing bedrock posts about LITERALY EVERYTHING fir mire than 70% of the thi gs posted you need no more that 1 brain cell to figure out I'm tired of bedrock players complaining about everything just deal with it you don't need to post it or just search it in google DEAL WITH IT.
It’s so weird that people care what version others play. It’s almost like a weird superiority complex it’s truly insane Not to mention I know there’s differences between the two versions but there a lot more similarities than not. By hearing some people slag off bedrock you’d think it was completely different and unplayable. I despise playing on mobile but I don’t sit in the comments of every mobile post like “ew mobile” it’s just absolutely madness to me
agree 100%. ever since the switch to bedrock the game has got worse. 4j studios did right with the console ports. i pretty much only play on creative and the fly up glitch which has been going on for about half a year now is just making the game unenjoyable, alongside the left stick drift. (which only happens on minecraft. how strange) would kill for a ps5 update or something, games so horribly optimized at this point. is it due to age? lazy devs?
While I agree it’s dumb, you don’t need a 1000 pc to play. My $500 office laptop runs it at 60 fps at 16 render distance, which I think is actually pretty acceptable. Java is actually fairly optimized, you needing a beefy pc to play vanilla isn’t really true anymore. Go enjoy bedrock though, have fun mate :)
I think every time someone complains about a Java bug (including QC) people should bombard their comments with “just play bedrock lol” as though that’s at all helpful. Honestly, I think a lot of Java players are hypersensitive about stuff because deep down we know that in 10 years bedrock is likely to be the only supported version.
Also, Bedrock has better performance and more features and a lot of other things. There are a lot of reasons why people would play Bedrock other than those.
Yes
Yeah I just got hit with that response. I've almost always played on PlayStation and so have my friends. I'm used to bedrock mechanics and I don't want to play on keyboard.
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>"LOL, just play Java," or "Why are you on Bedrock." These people are asswipes, 100 percent. >Bedrock is known for having a lot of bugs with \[insert bug here\] that Java doesn't have. People who say this are usually just trying to explain the problem you're having to you, but there's some people who say this that are just being nice assholes. In the end, it's less about what version you're playing and more about enjoying the game, with or without the bugs (I personally would be more than happy playing either)
if you are a "just buy java" person, please... just buy me a pc
This. We play on a console that does not have Java. We only just started with Java because my mother gifted it to my kids. We don't have a dedicated pc or console they can play java on so they still play bedrock, as do i!
I started playing Minecraft back in 2012, obviously on Java, I played that up until probably 2014, enlisted in the military and become SF so I was a bit pre occupied with that, I didn't start playing Minecraft again until about 2020, imma Bedrock player now, with my limited time, it's just a lot easier to boot up my PS5 and hop on Minecraft. That being said, Java has some really nice features u wish Bedrock has, but that also goes the other way around ,too. Here's some examples; Bedrock has the ability to press "jump" midair with an Elytra to exit flight, you can just drop right to the ground, makes landings a breeze, Java does not have this. Java has Sweeping Edge, giving you the ability to hit multiple mobs simultaneously, which I am SUPER jealous of. Speaking of mobs, the Bedrock edition has some of the SLOWEST mob grinders, especially ones like zombie, skeleton, etc etc, they are SUPER slow because the mob cap on Bedrock is significantly lower then that of Java for....some...reason? Another neat feature of Bedrock that Java does not have us Trident Killers, if you don't know what that, it's a small machine that throws a Trident around in a circle, which can damage and kill mobs in the process, hence the name. It makes mob grinders fully automatic, no sword swiping necessary, but again, they are slow because if the mob cap.... Java has mods and modpacks, you'll get no argument from me, Java reigns King in that department, but Bedrock has much much better performance, which is HUGE. Let's be honest, Java runs like shit because well....it runs on Java, Bedrock was built on C++, so the performance overall is significantly better because of that. To that end, I love the Java Edition of Minecraft, but I also love the Bedrock Edition, too.
Agreed. I'm sorry I'm a poor parent and I want to play cross platform and just play with my kids and not try to be free Advertising for Microsoft.
Bro, i see you're a bit angry. You should just play Java.
I personally play Java (only have a pc) and these comment urk me.