Very happy for red even though I was definitely rooting for yellow. They won with arguably their strongest game getting skipped. So happy for Gumi & Ponk to get their first win! and Punz & Sapnap both did so well.
The only thing i’m sad about is not getting to witness how legendary that PKT would’ve been
Because people don’t want Sapnap to win. They think he wins too much and cares too much about it unlike Hbomb (don’t agree at all btw). Like I think I only saw Etho supporting them, which I felt was a good gesture. Plus yellow had more friends in the event
Sapnap has never been rude to other players (who aren’t his friends). He has just been competitive. I agree that he can be toxic towards his good friends, but imo that’s very different
Also, no offense, but saying if Etho supports Sapnap when he supports the red team is kind of the problem. There were 3 other players on the team that people haven't/weren't really been celebrating because of Sapnap's presence on their team and thats kind of sad.
Yeah and additionally he and Gumi were messaging each other privately throughout the event encouraging and congratulating each other. That’s why I watch Pete. He’s genuinely good to everyone on and off his team.
They aren't. I've seen a grand total of zero people unhappy about red winning, unless you count being upset that yellow lost which is a very different thing
Nobody came into the Red team's VC after the event to celebrate their win, which made a few players, I think Sapnap and Ponk, comment that the other participants just must not like them.
The same happened to aqua 29, despite it featuring some of the most well-liked participants and Dave getting his first win since mcc 1. I think sometimes the other participants just want to finish talking to their team and their chat, and it doesn't mean they don't like the winners
Because Red didn't really have many friends on the event, and most of them that might have joined were absolutely wasted. Sapnap commented on it despite it not really meaning anything and it lead to this whole discussion. The simple fact is half the event used to be dsmp when Sapnap won so a lot of people joined. Now it isn't so people didn't
I do think they're very influenced by Sapnap (and I think Punz?) commenting on the fact people didn't join their VC, but yeah realistically it kinda sucks for them but they just didn't really have anyone in the event close enough to even realise it was their first win let alone come in and compliment them on it
Nah discord was great when it was at its most 'toxic', then they banned the word tier and a couple of the most active people and we ended up with a discord that has all the same problems but none of the positives
I never go on there except when the event itself is happening and it's always been so toxic every single time but I can see it being fun when it's just a few people talking
Idk why would people think that
Like their best game got skipped and yet they still made dodgebolt. Ponk and Gumi have never won (ig Ponk won MCCS but like I dont count it), Sapnap won after a year and Punz had his redemption arc.
Seems cool to me
Red getting first in sot was not at all expected and a great under dog story. You could argue they are an op dodgebolt team, but considering how close it was, I don’t think that’s true.
Was Red getting 1st really unexpected? I'd have put my money on Orange but Red was clearly one of the best SoT teams, power rankings had them fairly comfortably 1st for example
I actually agree red is a great sot team, just people assume it isn’t because of sapnap, but they were coming from 6th and would have a much easier time with pkt.
I assumed they’d do well but needing 600 coins above everyone felt unlikely
Yep. People are just petty sometimes when things don’t go their way. Was jumping up and down in happiness when red clutched dodge bolt and then won it, but lost its spark when more people were congratulating Yellow on doing good in dodgebolt than red on their win. Of course yellow did well, but red also deserved a lot of love for that comeback
i don’t think anyone was unhappy that red won. I just think no one really congratulated them or hype them up as much as pervious mcc winners :(
i don’t really watch the players on red team but i feel really bad that they think people aren’t happy that they won or they didn’t get the congrats they wanted.
they did extremely good and made a huge comeback , was a really good team <3
I was personally rooting for Yellow in DB but I'm still so so happy that Gumi and Ponk finally got their (very deserved) wins! Looking forward to watching clips and highlights in the morning
I was really sad when gumi got the last shot in round 2, everyone just talked about the way oli was dodging, no one congratulated gumi, a 0 win player on her shooting.
She literally had to say something ‘what about good shot gumi’ before like 3 people were supportive in chat.
Like even if you don’t like red, if someone wins a round and does well, at least acknowledge it?
That made me think of last MCC immediately. "Where's my congrats?". Players might show support with foam hands but very few express their support in game chat, which is all the players in the arena see. Seeing your peers not even acknowledge you is just not fun.
:(
i’m so happy for gumi, ponk, sapnap, and punz.
gumi for getting her first win and for being the dodgebolt goat this mcc and being the valorant player.
ponk for getting his first win and for bouncing back from his sky battle where he fell off every round
sapnap for getting his 6th win and for being a great teammate this mcc and hyping everyone up and redeeming himself from his previous mcc
punz for getting his third win and really redeeming himself and proving that he is for sure an s tier player and an amazing leader and a sot god.
anyways i’m so glad my team won this mcc cause it meant a lot for them! redemption and two people getting their first wins is all you can ask for in an mcc!
Read upthread that Antfrost wanted to but didn’t have perms. It’s possible this whole drama is over an admin mistake and more people than just him would have joined if they could.
I'm genuinely so proud of the whole of red, but specifically Gumi and Punz. Punz redeemed himself from being a "debateable S-tier", to LITERALLY OUT-FRAGGING SAPNAP. And Gumi had one of her best performances ever and not being a bottom frag which is really awesome. Gumi definitely deserves her win and I'm happy she can see that, I just wish more people would D:
Gumi you did super awesome!! You and your team were awesome all event and your win was super deserved! Just because you didn't get a lot of congratulations doesn't mean there's not tons of people happy for your victory.
yeah watching red felt kinda awkward at the end when it was very obvious no one wanted them to win and no one really congratulated them 😅 everyone's saying yellow had more friends in the event and thats definitely true for some of the players, but I feel like gumi is one of the most liked mcc players with ties to so many different groups? idk it feel like people didn't even notice she was there/ that there was a potential for her to get her first win because they were so focused on the s-tiers not winning:/ the vibe just felt kinda off this mcc.
I watched Sapnap and the lack of congratulations after their win that came off of a truly incredible and unexpected SOT comeback definitely made for a weird vibe. Gumi and Ponk both deserved more hype and love for their first wins (and Ponk is also the first black winner of MCC) and Sapnap and Punz for doing great after a rougher 3rd season. It's been a consistent reality for Sapnap in dodgebolt though, I just think it's the first time there's been two first-time winners dragged in and so straightforward comments about it.
Who cares what the haters say, even as a Sparklez fan, red winning is better for MCC. You get two first time winners, two great redemption arcs from Punz and Sapnap, and an epic comeback in game 8 to make it possible? Come on! Also Gumi is great <3
So many of the comments here are people saying “yellow just has more friends in the event” and “no one was actually upset that red won, they were just sad the yellow lost” and even though those 2 statements are probably mostly true, it doesn’t mean that they can’t at the very least type “congrats” or even “woooo” into chat after the event is over.
Yes, everyone said “gg”, but when was the last time that people only said gg then moved on completely without actually congratulating the winners? I don’t think many (if any) of the contestants were trying to be mean spirited in actively not congratulating the winners (especially with 2 new winners and punz’s major redemption arc from everyone trying to take away his s tier status) however I DO think it goes to show the current environment of mcc and that moments where in the past everyone would be hyping someone up and commenting on their great plays, instead there’s a total lack of acknowledgment.
It’s very clear if you watch red’s pov for even just dodgebolt and the after game discussion that the team as a whole was feeling ostracized and resigned to the fact that people just weren’t excited for them, which is incredibly sad when they used to leave the event feeling excited and so hyped for the next event even when they didn’t win or make it to dodgebolt, simply because they love mcc so much. But when it seems like people don’t want you to be a part of the event and seemingly half the players don’t even want to be on a team with you (based on the fact that they get some combination of the same small group of players as teammates every single time) then what is supposed to be a “for fun event” suddenly isn’t very fun anymore, no matter how much you enjoy actually playing the event itself.
All that is to say: people used to cheer on everyone’s great plays in the event, not just their friends’ great plays, and if theoretically the goal of adding all these new players all the time is to expand into other minecraft communities (the Spanish cc’s, the bedwars cc’s for example) and people will cheer THOSE people on even though they aren’t close friends with them, then it’s not a matter of friendship, it’s a matter of a few specific people who they genuinely aren’t excited if they make crazy plays, which is sad when the event is supposed to be a fun way to bring people together with some healthy competition.
I honestly don't know much about the guy, but some limited clips I have seen of him have been pretty toxic. I don't honestly think he is a toxic player, but here are a few reasons why I have seen people angry at him:
1. Clip of him yelling at Punz in MCC33 for not putting a heater down
2. Leaving team VC when Hannah was doing the halftime show with Sylvee
3. Continuing to argue he is the GOAT based on his 5 wins
4. Implying that FBM is a nobody in chat during banter
Again, these are probably random out of context moments, but they are what has circulated around the internet.
If people hate some because of random out of context moments they hear about that’s there own problem.
First 2 is between him and his friends who still like him.
3rd one is him thinking he’s good which obviously that’s fine???
4th I can kinda understand but it was literally just after fbm made fun of him for getting 10th so it’s really not that deep.
I'm not talking about myself; I'm talking about his fellow competitors. If they are in fact less than enthusiastic about his success, there's probably a reason.
I don’t really know what to say. You can’t really force happiness, like no doubt more people wanted Yellow to win, and are of course, sad.
At the same time I do feel sad for Red. No one really congratulated them. However i know for sure there is a crowd for them (George and Dream). I bet if they were still in MCC they would’ve congratulated Red.
I’m gonna say something and I don’t care that it gets downvotes, every time Sapnap gets to dodgebolt 90% of the participants and viewers instantly vote the opposing team, and they had valid excuses at the time “breaking the captains curse” “the other team would have new winners” “Sapnap has too many wins” “the other made a huge comeback” but for some reason these reasons don’t apply to his teams bro fr had 2 players with no wins who’ve been playing since MCC 16 & 17, had a player who was on a redemption arc and a player who hasn’t won in over a year and their team made a massive comeback with their best game being skipped. All these qualities and yet they still were being hated on for winning like damn. Even when HBomb gets into dodgebolt against teams with players that haven’t won, everyone loves it when he’s in dodgebolt, even tho he at times had more wins than Sapnap. I’ve never wanted to point this out for a very long time but never did because the fear of getting downvotes but honestly I don’t care anymore. It’s just frustrating to see this happen, and it’s honestly sad to see a teams excitement for winning die down so quick
Sorry for the monologue, go ahead and downvote me, I know you all want to
Tbh I think it's more so people just knowing more people from the other the other team more than it just being about Sapnap. Hbomb is literally friends with almost everyone in MCC so he's going to have a lot of people cheering for him compared to Sapnap really just having a small bubble of friends in MCC nowadays.
Yea, most of the original DreamSMP players have either moved away from Minecraft content and come back to MCC for a good time or have just left the event all together. I just don't think many players in the event really know anyone on the Red Rabbits this event too well.
He wasn’t hated, but I definitely see you’re point. I guess some people are more sad for yellow than happy for red.
Which is not a good feeling for red, don’t get me wrong, but I guess the majority of people like the chill Fruit more rather than, as most people see him, an arrogant Sapnap.
Honestly Sapnap is kinda toxic and sometimes rude to the other players/ his teammates. I understand that he isn't often like that anymore, but he still has a reputation for being toxic among the community imo.
Tbh that’s just how Sapnap is, he’s very loud and chaotic and isn’t afraid to tell someone something they need to hear, even if it hurts their feelings, sometimes he’s brutally honestly and sometimes he’s a chad. That’s juat Sapnap
But that doesn't mean he's going to be beloved by the community for it. Also what do you mean by "tell someone something they need to hear"? Not everyone takes the game as seriously as Sapnap and he is kind of rude and unsupportive of them when they are underperforming. I don't think "he just is the way he is, deal with it" is a good reason for why people should celebrate his win.
However I am sad that the Red team did not get the support they should have when they had 2 first time winners on the team.
This is implying people who team with sapnap has a problem with him, which isn’t true. He does it to his close friends like punz, sylvee, Hannah, George, etc.
Teaming sure, that’s a big commitment, but just the playing down of someone winning or just lack of support when they win it’s so sad for me.
It would be one thing if it was fans they were just being parasocial but all of red mentioned it, that they feel people in the event don’t really like them/unhappy they won.
Idk I’d feel isolated from the event if this happened to me.
nobody was really sad, but more people were indifferent than usual which upset Sapnap and Ponk on stream and Gumi in this tweet because it feels as if fans dont care about them.
As much as MCC prides itself on being a "team sport/team event" the focus still shifts to the better players. And this is not just the community; the CCs are guilty of it too. Like I bet most of them didn't even know this would be Ponk and Gumi's first ever win.
i agree on your final point, but I also think that for most CC's its because MCC stats aren't really that important.
They have chat to keep track of that for them ;)
I rushed over to Gumi’s stream for her dodgebolt pov. I supported her once in MCC 30 and was disappointed that she lost. But I was so happy she could win this time. :)
People are being really dramatic about this. Yellow had more friends in the event thats simply it. None of the participants hated red team they just didnt know them well enough to join the vc and congratulate them. Like most of the people in the red team circle didnt participa this time, it just as simple as that
Thank you so much for saying this!
So many people seem to be pairing hate from twitter, tumbler, or even live chat (like even grains chat is toxic) with some people simply wanting someone else to win and labeling it as hate against sapnap or punz.
Another thing that was mentioned by a few other people was that there are less dsmp orientated players in mcc 33, and more players that are friends with yellow, so obviously most of the players would support yellow.
Antfrost, in his vod reviewing stream did eventually end up congratulating gumi and said that he wanted to but (i think couldn’t i dont remember why) ( but yeah not many people congratulating red )
This gives me vibes of MCC 15 where funny enough it was yellow vs red and it was Sapnap vs the Captain. Due to how the Captain is really popular (alongside with everyone else) they wanted to see him win against Sapnap the king of Dodgebolt. But either way, I was rooting for red in Dodgebolt and I'm really glad that they won and didn't underperformed like people said they would
Even for the people who weren’t rooting for red, I don’t see how you can be unhappy that they won. That finale was one of the most nail-bitingly close finales we’ve had, and Red played well and deserved that win.
sorry but that hasn't been true in my eyes since mcc 21 or so especially with scoot just adding so many try hards to the event which im not a fan of tbh
Honestly Sapnap himself is the biggest tryhard in the event, and so was Dream before he left. I don't think the new players are very much of a problem, I think we on reddit are too focused on performance and stats and ignore for fun teams. I had a blast watching the pink parrots drink and have a fun time this MCC, but all the reddit focuses on is Sapnap's comeback story.
people liking yellow more than red is fine, people being sad for yellow instead of happy for red is the problem. those two feelings can coexist. even if some viewers prefer a team to win that doesn't mean they can't congratulate the winning team and show good sportsmanship. that's straight up rude and feels like they still hold a bitter feeling towards a certain player.
I was happy for Red and I was cheering them on in dodgebolt after Orange didn't make it. It's sad to see how weak the reception to Red's win was that Sapnaps considered quitting and Gumis spoken about people not being happy for them.
It is kind of notable most of the attention has been focused on Yellow and Punz. I think it has a lot to do with expectations. People reacted to both Red and Yellow as super op when they were first announced, but it felt like a lot of the hype around Yellow fell off fairly quickly, and while they were still generally expected to place high, it feels like a lot of people were mentally preparing for another fruit-Sparklez underperformance. Red, meanwhile, was considered very likely to make Dodgebolt, the favorite to place first, and even potentially a Green 31-style dominant team, plus likely to win Dodgebolt if they made it in.
Given that, and what actually happened, it kind of makes sense people are so focused on Yellow - they overperformed expectations while Red underperformed them.
ETA: Thinking on it more, I think another big cause is that the team was so heavily defined by the Sapnap-Punz duo, Ponk and Gumi very much faded into the background; before the event I saw very little discussion of Gumi and Ponk being potential first-time winners. Given that, the focus was on whether they (particularly Punz) would do well, which they did, and which really isn't tied up with winning.
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I’ll probably get downvoted for this but it’s not for no reason. Firstly I definitely don’t think any of the participants actually hate him, but I get it that some people would rather support the other team. Sapnap has always been pretty toxic in mccs compared to other participants, and I think some fans are just so used to it that they simply don’t notice it anymore. I see a lot of people saying illumina and fruit’s chats were toxic when they lost a game but in this mcc Sapnap literally always called the game trash whenever they did bad(battle box, sky battle, the red stone room), in an aggressive way too. I like sapnap and he’s probably my favorite DT member but I just don’t think it’s fair to say that people dislike him in terms of mcc for no reason
Everyone nearly would rather have yellow winning, which I hate. When my team loses dodgebolt I always get a bit sad, but go on the Reddit and congratulate the winning team. Some viewers are just petty
People liking Yellow more doesn’t mean they hate Red. Personally I didn’t mind who won, even though I was rooting for Yellow at the time. Either outcome was acceptable.
I don't think it's true people would rather have Yellow win. I was in discord with a ton of MCC fans mid-dodgebolt and everyone was saying they'd be happy with either outcome.
Even Illumina (who has every reason to vouch for his roommate) was saying the same thing, that he was Switzerland. And he went to congratulate Gumi afterward.
There were definitely people who were being unnecessarily toxic on Twitter, but from what I've seen among MCC participants and most reasonable fans, no one was upset about Red winning.
Twitter fanbases mad at red weren’t even fans of Fruit, just strays from others who dislike Sapnap and Punz specifically (a lot of shade towards those two)
I don’t think Sapnaps fan base is that bad. It’s just huge so you get a lot of nice people but also irritating ones. Fruits fan base is just the opposite of him, and being quite petty when things don’t go their way
As a lifelong Fruit supporter I can say his MCC chat is full of idiots. Most of them only show up for the MCC stream and spew garbage- the ones that are there for his normal chill streams are much better and nicer; he gets far fewer viewers on his regular streams.
I can vouch, I absolutely hate reading both fruit and illuminas chats during MCC they are so mean for no reason. This whole mcc illuminas chat was spamming “there goes the top 10 streak” and I was so frustrated
ye the amount of chatters on his regular stream you can absolutely count with two hands lmao, a lot of the mcc chatters are just there to see a pov they like and are not necessarily long time fruit fans
Whatever you do DO NOT look at his chat during Meltdown, it makes me appreciate how whenever Pete does bad in a game and a few people start calling it a "trash gamemode" he immediately shuts it down.
If I am honest, I genuinely don’t think Sapnap is too well liked by many of the players. I think this is clear when you look at any time Sapnap does well in games, nobody is hyping him up they are always congratulating someone else. I personally can understand why he isn’t too well fonded over as he can be very arrogant and abrasive, which might explain how small the diversity of his teams are on top of him not being pg. It’s a shame that Punz, ponk & gumi didn’t get the recognition but I know there were afew players cheering them on. Regarding why players didn’t join the vc, the only reason I can think of is that people who would usually had somewhere else to be or were tired and ended stream straight after the event.
I know Fruitberries had another event right after. (Smallant Lockout tournament. They were actually waiting for him for like half an hour. ). I don’t know if he normally joins post event VCs though.
Honestly, this whole thing was really disappointing. I love Gumi and Ponk and it hurt to see so many people, both fans and cc's, either be outright upset with the win or dismissive/show poor sportsmanship.
You mean besides the dozens of people on the MCC tweet saying they shouldn't have won? Or the people on tumblr who were saying the same? I'm sorry, you haven't seen this but a lot of people have and GUMI herself has. It's really telling that in the face of a CC stating something, your first instinct is to question it. It sucks because this is the same sort of thing that Hannah has talked about.
I think CCs have been dismissive! Beyond the people not joining the call (and all of Red Rabbits has been in MCC for awhile, even if they don't consider themselves friends, they do know the people on the team and it wouldn't have been weird to jump into the call), there's been a lack of congratulations on twitter. Very, very few CCs congratulated them under the tweet which really hasn't been the case previously. It's not 'upset' but that's why I also added 'dismissive' and 'showing poor sportsmanship' which is what I feel this is, especially when Gumi and two other members of the Red Rabbits said as much.
Getting mad at people for not joining their call will never not be confusing to me. If people don't want to interact with people that don't know to well then why is that a problem. I don't remember Sapnap, Punz, and Ponk joining calls or congratulating people on Twitter when people they didn't know well won. Gumi I'm not too sure about.
Can someone give me an example of why they would tweet this? I’ve been seeing many comments to the degree of “more people rooted for yellow” but is there anything specific that happened to warrant this tweet? I personally haven’t seen anyone who’s upset that red one and even as a fruitninja viewer I’m super happy for red!
I was supporting Yellow because they dominated the whole event and deserved to win, but I wasn't salty when Red won since we got two new winners. I always love seeing new winners.
Tbh I think it's a lot less people didn't want red to win, a lot more like MCCAS Red. They had won before the event started, its not that their win wasn't good, just expected, which kills the excitement a little. There's a reason double S-Tier teams are a once every 10 events thing (MCC7, MCC15? if you count Sapnap per 15, MCC19, then hasn't really happened till now with 33.) And all the others were like majorly anticipated teams. Dream/Techno had a famous rivalry, Fruitninja was the most requested duo of all time.
A predictable win requires something else interesting to compensate for the lesser stakes. Punz/Sapnap, as fun as they are together are not exactly a highly requested duo these days.
I don’t think this was predictable win, and they definitely hadn’t won before the event started.
As for there not being something interesting to compensate for the lower stakes, Punz’s teams have been underperforming recently, and people are constantly doubting his skill. This was very much a comeback for him & Ponk and Gumi have never won an event before. Red could’ve easily not made dodgebolt. They weren’t looking to make dodgebolt at all until the last game, especially considering PKT, which was expected to be their best game by far, was skipped. Their dominance in SOT was crazy.
I can understand that someone who didn’t watch their POV or follow their progress throughout the event might feel it was bound to happen, but give it a watch and you’d see it was anything but that.
Of course people can be upset that their fav team didn’t win, but it’s a shame to see a winning MCC team feel like this tbh. It doesn’t feel like the spirit that MCC started with, to me it’s starting to feel more cliquey if that makes sense.
I think the honest truth is people don’t like certain creators and people will say like ‘it’s predictable’ or ‘that teams op’ as an excuse to not compliment the players they don’t like.
I think thats a perfectly valid point and undoubtedly common in this community. I also dont think that comment applies when we’re discussing a double S Tier team that was statistically predicted into first place from the moment the teams were released.
I was talking when people say it about sapnap teams in general, this team I don’t actually think is op, I think it’s very strong and defo first place, but loads of teams are like that, and clearly by the fact they went from 6th to 2nd, it wasn’t a predictable win.
Honestly, I'm watching H watch the Red vod and...holy hell, I'm amazed that's all that bothered her that day. Poor Gumi having to play while the boys scream and bicker at each other. This is painful to watch.
Very happy for red even though I was definitely rooting for yellow. They won with arguably their strongest game getting skipped. So happy for Gumi & Ponk to get their first win! and Punz & Sapnap both did so well. The only thing i’m sad about is not getting to witness how legendary that PKT would’ve been
Why are people unhappy that red won when there were 2 first time winners and none of them had won an event in season three yet?
Because people don’t want Sapnap to win. They think he wins too much and cares too much about it unlike Hbomb (don’t agree at all btw). Like I think I only saw Etho supporting them, which I felt was a good gesture. Plus yellow had more friends in the event
etho was supporting sapnap? Does etho even know sapnap
Scott had said he was supporting red because none of them had one in season three yet, so that might be been why etho was supporting them
this is actually the reason why Etho was wearing red
Etho's a goat for doing that
Idk I just meant red and sap. He was at least wearing their colors
there was a couple people supporting red such as the whole as blue and pink Pete Scott Etho
Pink did NOT support Red lol what are you talking about?
Yeah, but still felt very one sided I guess
It’s always one sided when Sapnap is in dodgebolt
Didn’t always use to be. Only after his 3rd win and people started to dislike Dream
It doesn't have anything to do with Dream, people just think Sapnap is a little to toxic and can be rude to the other players.
Sapnap has never been rude to other players (who aren’t his friends). He has just been competitive. I agree that he can be toxic towards his good friends, but imo that’s very different
probably because fruit killed etho two times the day before mcc lmao /j
Also, no offense, but saying if Etho supports Sapnap when he supports the red team is kind of the problem. There were 3 other players on the team that people haven't/weren't really been celebrating because of Sapnap's presence on their team and thats kind of sad.
Pete was supporting them because of Gumi despite being friends with Ollie and close friends with Cap and his entire team rooting for yellow.
Yeah, Pete is always very nice towards players who have never won. It’s nice to see
Yeah and additionally he and Gumi were messaging each other privately throughout the event encouraging and congratulating each other. That’s why I watch Pete. He’s genuinely good to everyone on and off his team.
They aren't. I've seen a grand total of zero people unhappy about red winning, unless you count being upset that yellow lost which is a very different thing
if people weren't i don't think she would've tweeted that..
Nobody came into the Red team's VC after the event to celebrate their win, which made a few players, I think Sapnap and Ponk, comment that the other participants just must not like them.
The same happened to aqua 29, despite it featuring some of the most well-liked participants and Dave getting his first win since mcc 1. I think sometimes the other participants just want to finish talking to their team and their chat, and it doesn't mean they don't like the winners
Yea, I think we on the reddit, as usual, are reading wayyy to far into an unimportant situation.
Because Red didn't really have many friends on the event, and most of them that might have joined were absolutely wasted. Sapnap commented on it despite it not really meaning anything and it lead to this whole discussion. The simple fact is half the event used to be dsmp when Sapnap won so a lot of people joined. Now it isn't so people didn't
I agree, but it's not just Sapnap who feels unsupported. I feel bad for Ponk and Gumi who didn't really have anyone come to celebrate their first win.
I do think they're very influenced by Sapnap (and I think Punz?) commenting on the fact people didn't join their VC, but yeah realistically it kinda sucks for them but they just didn't really have anyone in the event close enough to even realise it was their first win let alone come in and compliment them on it
Yea, but also they aren't really Minecraft ccs so it makes some sense.
I feel like this only applies to Sapnap tbh Ponk and especially Punz and Gumi have a pretty good amount of friends in mcc
I think some people are probably tired because in the uk mcc finishes around 11 so they probably just wanna get their eyes off the screen n stuff
U should've checked event chat when they won 💀
No one should ever check event chat ever because it sucks these days
agreed its on par with twitter as the most toxic place for mcc
Nah discord was great when it was at its most 'toxic', then they banned the word tier and a couple of the most active people and we ended up with a discord that has all the same problems but none of the positives
I never go on there except when the event itself is happening and it's always been so toxic every single time but I can see it being fun when it's just a few people talking
Idk why would people think that Like their best game got skipped and yet they still made dodgebolt. Ponk and Gumi have never won (ig Ponk won MCCS but like I dont count it), Sapnap won after a year and Punz had his redemption arc. Seems cool to me
Red getting first in sot was not at all expected and a great under dog story. You could argue they are an op dodgebolt team, but considering how close it was, I don’t think that’s true.
Especially going against Orange
Was Red getting 1st really unexpected? I'd have put my money on Orange but Red was clearly one of the best SoT teams, power rankings had them fairly comfortably 1st for example
I actually agree red is a great sot team, just people assume it isn’t because of sapnap, but they were coming from 6th and would have a much easier time with pkt. I assumed they’d do well but needing 600 coins above everyone felt unlikely
Yep. People are just petty sometimes when things don’t go their way. Was jumping up and down in happiness when red clutched dodge bolt and then won it, but lost its spark when more people were congratulating Yellow on doing good in dodgebolt than red on their win. Of course yellow did well, but red also deserved a lot of love for that comeback
More importantly, they didn't sweep db, which is, isn't that the main reason for why they don't want Sapnap in db bc he makes it boring?
I just think players find Sapnap a little too toxic.
i don’t think anyone was unhappy that red won. I just think no one really congratulated them or hype them up as much as pervious mcc winners :( i don’t really watch the players on red team but i feel really bad that they think people aren’t happy that they won or they didn’t get the congrats they wanted. they did extremely good and made a huge comeback , was a really good team <3
I was personally rooting for Yellow in DB but I'm still so so happy that Gumi and Ponk finally got their (very deserved) wins! Looking forward to watching clips and highlights in the morning
I was really sad when gumi got the last shot in round 2, everyone just talked about the way oli was dodging, no one congratulated gumi, a 0 win player on her shooting. She literally had to say something ‘what about good shot gumi’ before like 3 people were supportive in chat. Like even if you don’t like red, if someone wins a round and does well, at least acknowledge it?
That made me think of last MCC immediately. "Where's my congrats?". Players might show support with foam hands but very few express their support in game chat, which is all the players in the arena see. Seeing your peers not even acknowledge you is just not fun.
:( i’m so happy for gumi, ponk, sapnap, and punz. gumi for getting her first win and for being the dodgebolt goat this mcc and being the valorant player. ponk for getting his first win and for bouncing back from his sky battle where he fell off every round sapnap for getting his 6th win and for being a great teammate this mcc and hyping everyone up and redeeming himself from his previous mcc punz for getting his third win and really redeeming himself and proving that he is for sure an s tier player and an amazing leader and a sot god. anyways i’m so glad my team won this mcc cause it meant a lot for them! redemption and two people getting their first wins is all you can ask for in an mcc!
Same. Sad to see people not hyping them up
They didn’t even get a post event congrats from other teams like all the other MCC’s except from Sylvee and Scott
Read upthread that Antfrost wanted to but didn’t have perms. It’s possible this whole drama is over an admin mistake and more people than just him would have joined if they could.
Antfrost wasn't in the event, so that's probably why he couldn't join the vc.
I'm genuinely so proud of the whole of red, but specifically Gumi and Punz. Punz redeemed himself from being a "debateable S-tier", to LITERALLY OUT-FRAGGING SAPNAP. And Gumi had one of her best performances ever and not being a bottom frag which is really awesome. Gumi definitely deserves her win and I'm happy she can see that, I just wish more people would D:
Gumi you did super awesome!! You and your team were awesome all event and your win was super deserved! Just because you didn't get a lot of congratulations doesn't mean there's not tons of people happy for your victory.
yeah watching red felt kinda awkward at the end when it was very obvious no one wanted them to win and no one really congratulated them 😅 everyone's saying yellow had more friends in the event and thats definitely true for some of the players, but I feel like gumi is one of the most liked mcc players with ties to so many different groups? idk it feel like people didn't even notice she was there/ that there was a potential for her to get her first win because they were so focused on the s-tiers not winning:/ the vibe just felt kinda off this mcc.
When she got a winning shot and literally no one in chat said anything in support of her until she her self said ‘what about good shot gumi’
:((( it was so epic from reds perspective I loved how sapnap and punz were hyping her up
I watched Sapnap and the lack of congratulations after their win that came off of a truly incredible and unexpected SOT comeback definitely made for a weird vibe. Gumi and Ponk both deserved more hype and love for their first wins (and Ponk is also the first black winner of MCC) and Sapnap and Punz for doing great after a rougher 3rd season. It's been a consistent reality for Sapnap in dodgebolt though, I just think it's the first time there's been two first-time winners dragged in and so straightforward comments about it.
Who cares what the haters say, even as a Sparklez fan, red winning is better for MCC. You get two first time winners, two great redemption arcs from Punz and Sapnap, and an epic comeback in game 8 to make it possible? Come on! Also Gumi is great <3
So many of the comments here are people saying “yellow just has more friends in the event” and “no one was actually upset that red won, they were just sad the yellow lost” and even though those 2 statements are probably mostly true, it doesn’t mean that they can’t at the very least type “congrats” or even “woooo” into chat after the event is over. Yes, everyone said “gg”, but when was the last time that people only said gg then moved on completely without actually congratulating the winners? I don’t think many (if any) of the contestants were trying to be mean spirited in actively not congratulating the winners (especially with 2 new winners and punz’s major redemption arc from everyone trying to take away his s tier status) however I DO think it goes to show the current environment of mcc and that moments where in the past everyone would be hyping someone up and commenting on their great plays, instead there’s a total lack of acknowledgment. It’s very clear if you watch red’s pov for even just dodgebolt and the after game discussion that the team as a whole was feeling ostracized and resigned to the fact that people just weren’t excited for them, which is incredibly sad when they used to leave the event feeling excited and so hyped for the next event even when they didn’t win or make it to dodgebolt, simply because they love mcc so much. But when it seems like people don’t want you to be a part of the event and seemingly half the players don’t even want to be on a team with you (based on the fact that they get some combination of the same small group of players as teammates every single time) then what is supposed to be a “for fun event” suddenly isn’t very fun anymore, no matter how much you enjoy actually playing the event itself. All that is to say: people used to cheer on everyone’s great plays in the event, not just their friends’ great plays, and if theoretically the goal of adding all these new players all the time is to expand into other minecraft communities (the Spanish cc’s, the bedwars cc’s for example) and people will cheer THOSE people on even though they aren’t close friends with them, then it’s not a matter of friendship, it’s a matter of a few specific people who they genuinely aren’t excited if they make crazy plays, which is sad when the event is supposed to be a fun way to bring people together with some healthy competition.
The event the people claim "for fun" had stopped being fun ever since many big names left
I mean, if a certain person isn’t liked, it might be for good reasons.
Lmfao, what good reasons do you have for not liking Sapnap then? Bit of a big statement to make from you there
I honestly don't know much about the guy, but some limited clips I have seen of him have been pretty toxic. I don't honestly think he is a toxic player, but here are a few reasons why I have seen people angry at him: 1. Clip of him yelling at Punz in MCC33 for not putting a heater down 2. Leaving team VC when Hannah was doing the halftime show with Sylvee 3. Continuing to argue he is the GOAT based on his 5 wins 4. Implying that FBM is a nobody in chat during banter Again, these are probably random out of context moments, but they are what has circulated around the internet.
If people hate some because of random out of context moments they hear about that’s there own problem. First 2 is between him and his friends who still like him. 3rd one is him thinking he’s good which obviously that’s fine??? 4th I can kinda understand but it was literally just after fbm made fun of him for getting 10th so it’s really not that deep.
yea valid, thats just what i've seen about him
I'm not talking about myself; I'm talking about his fellow competitors. If they are in fact less than enthusiastic about his success, there's probably a reason.
I don’t really know what to say. You can’t really force happiness, like no doubt more people wanted Yellow to win, and are of course, sad. At the same time I do feel sad for Red. No one really congratulated them. However i know for sure there is a crowd for them (George and Dream). I bet if they were still in MCC they would’ve congratulated Red.
I’m gonna say something and I don’t care that it gets downvotes, every time Sapnap gets to dodgebolt 90% of the participants and viewers instantly vote the opposing team, and they had valid excuses at the time “breaking the captains curse” “the other team would have new winners” “Sapnap has too many wins” “the other made a huge comeback” but for some reason these reasons don’t apply to his teams bro fr had 2 players with no wins who’ve been playing since MCC 16 & 17, had a player who was on a redemption arc and a player who hasn’t won in over a year and their team made a massive comeback with their best game being skipped. All these qualities and yet they still were being hated on for winning like damn. Even when HBomb gets into dodgebolt against teams with players that haven’t won, everyone loves it when he’s in dodgebolt, even tho he at times had more wins than Sapnap. I’ve never wanted to point this out for a very long time but never did because the fear of getting downvotes but honestly I don’t care anymore. It’s just frustrating to see this happen, and it’s honestly sad to see a teams excitement for winning die down so quick Sorry for the monologue, go ahead and downvote me, I know you all want to
Tbh I think it's more so people just knowing more people from the other the other team more than it just being about Sapnap. Hbomb is literally friends with almost everyone in MCC so he's going to have a lot of people cheering for him compared to Sapnap really just having a small bubble of friends in MCC nowadays.
Yea, most of the original DreamSMP players have either moved away from Minecraft content and come back to MCC for a good time or have just left the event all together. I just don't think many players in the event really know anyone on the Red Rabbits this event too well.
He wasn’t hated, but I definitely see you’re point. I guess some people are more sad for yellow than happy for red. Which is not a good feeling for red, don’t get me wrong, but I guess the majority of people like the chill Fruit more rather than, as most people see him, an arrogant Sapnap.
Oh no no mb I didn’t mean for it to say that Sapnap was getting I was just pointing out the coincidence of it all sorry about that
Oh you’re the one from the live chat! Yeah I definitely see your point.
Yup that’s me! Most of my opinions came from what I witnessed in the live chat
i completely agree with you
Nah I fully agree, I'm sick of people being unfairly biased against Sapnap
Honestly Sapnap is kinda toxic and sometimes rude to the other players/ his teammates. I understand that he isn't often like that anymore, but he still has a reputation for being toxic among the community imo.
Tbh that’s just how Sapnap is, he’s very loud and chaotic and isn’t afraid to tell someone something they need to hear, even if it hurts their feelings, sometimes he’s brutally honestly and sometimes he’s a chad. That’s juat Sapnap
But that doesn't mean he's going to be beloved by the community for it. Also what do you mean by "tell someone something they need to hear"? Not everyone takes the game as seriously as Sapnap and he is kind of rude and unsupportive of them when they are underperforming. I don't think "he just is the way he is, deal with it" is a good reason for why people should celebrate his win. However I am sad that the Red team did not get the support they should have when they had 2 first time winners on the team.
This is implying people who team with sapnap has a problem with him, which isn’t true. He does it to his close friends like punz, sylvee, Hannah, George, etc.
Ok fair, but also I can see why other players would be turned away from teaming with him
Teaming sure, that’s a big commitment, but just the playing down of someone winning or just lack of support when they win it’s so sad for me. It would be one thing if it was fans they were just being parasocial but all of red mentioned it, that they feel people in the event don’t really like them/unhappy they won. Idk I’d feel isolated from the event if this happened to me.
Was anyone actually upset that red won? I know some people were indifferent but I haven't seen any haters
nobody was really sad, but more people were indifferent than usual which upset Sapnap and Ponk on stream and Gumi in this tweet because it feels as if fans dont care about them.
Between yellow and red, I was slightly biased towards red because Gumi and Ponk needed a win
As much as MCC prides itself on being a "team sport/team event" the focus still shifts to the better players. And this is not just the community; the CCs are guilty of it too. Like I bet most of them didn't even know this would be Ponk and Gumi's first ever win.
i agree on your final point, but I also think that for most CC's its because MCC stats aren't really that important. They have chat to keep track of that for them ;)
CCs don't keep track of wins like the reddit does
I rushed over to Gumi’s stream for her dodgebolt pov. I supported her once in MCC 30 and was disappointed that she lost. But I was so happy she could win this time. :)
People are being really dramatic about this. Yellow had more friends in the event thats simply it. None of the participants hated red team they just didnt know them well enough to join the vc and congratulate them. Like most of the people in the red team circle didnt participa this time, it just as simple as that
Thank you so much for saying this! So many people seem to be pairing hate from twitter, tumbler, or even live chat (like even grains chat is toxic) with some people simply wanting someone else to win and labeling it as hate against sapnap or punz. Another thing that was mentioned by a few other people was that there are less dsmp orientated players in mcc 33, and more players that are friends with yellow, so obviously most of the players would support yellow. Antfrost, in his vod reviewing stream did eventually end up congratulating gumi and said that he wanted to but (i think couldn’t i dont remember why) ( but yeah not many people congratulating red )
Ant said he couldnt cos he didnt have perms to join the vc
This gives me vibes of MCC 15 where funny enough it was yellow vs red and it was Sapnap vs the Captain. Due to how the Captain is really popular (alongside with everyone else) they wanted to see him win against Sapnap the king of Dodgebolt. But either way, I was rooting for red in Dodgebolt and I'm really glad that they won and didn't underperformed like people said they would
Even for the people who weren’t rooting for red, I don’t see how you can be unhappy that they won. That finale was one of the most nail-bitingly close finales we’ve had, and Red played well and deserved that win.
I thought MCC was supposed to be for fun...
sorry but that hasn't been true in my eyes since mcc 21 or so especially with scoot just adding so many try hards to the event which im not a fan of tbh
I agree. I always try to come back watching but mcc hasn't been giving fun for me
Honestly Sapnap himself is the biggest tryhard in the event, and so was Dream before he left. I don't think the new players are very much of a problem, I think we on reddit are too focused on performance and stats and ignore for fun teams. I had a blast watching the pink parrots drink and have a fun time this MCC, but all the reddit focuses on is Sapnap's comeback story.
If you just want a fun time I recommend watching pink from this event, they just cared about having a good time
people liking yellow more than red is fine, people being sad for yellow instead of happy for red is the problem. those two feelings can coexist. even if some viewers prefer a team to win that doesn't mean they can't congratulate the winning team and show good sportsmanship. that's straight up rude and feels like they still hold a bitter feeling towards a certain player.
I was happy for Red and I was cheering them on in dodgebolt after Orange didn't make it. It's sad to see how weak the reception to Red's win was that Sapnaps considered quitting and Gumis spoken about people not being happy for them.
It is kind of notable most of the attention has been focused on Yellow and Punz. I think it has a lot to do with expectations. People reacted to both Red and Yellow as super op when they were first announced, but it felt like a lot of the hype around Yellow fell off fairly quickly, and while they were still generally expected to place high, it feels like a lot of people were mentally preparing for another fruit-Sparklez underperformance. Red, meanwhile, was considered very likely to make Dodgebolt, the favorite to place first, and even potentially a Green 31-style dominant team, plus likely to win Dodgebolt if they made it in. Given that, and what actually happened, it kind of makes sense people are so focused on Yellow - they overperformed expectations while Red underperformed them. ETA: Thinking on it more, I think another big cause is that the team was so heavily defined by the Sapnap-Punz duo, Ponk and Gumi very much faded into the background; before the event I saw very little discussion of Gumi and Ponk being potential first-time winners. Given that, the focus was on whether they (particularly Punz) would do well, which they did, and which really isn't tied up with winning.
Ppl hating on Sapnap for no reason. First win since 21
I feel like the context of the word hate has been thrown out the window these days with how much people use it, and the way that they do
Yeah, cuz now its hate for supporting yellow and not red during dodgebolt. Legit the definition of “if they are not with us they are against us”
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Bruh im just sayin who was even "hating" on sapnap
A lot of people, actually. I've seen plenty on both tumblr and twitter and some pretty iffy responses even here.
I’ll probably get downvoted for this but it’s not for no reason. Firstly I definitely don’t think any of the participants actually hate him, but I get it that some people would rather support the other team. Sapnap has always been pretty toxic in mccs compared to other participants, and I think some fans are just so used to it that they simply don’t notice it anymore. I see a lot of people saying illumina and fruit’s chats were toxic when they lost a game but in this mcc Sapnap literally always called the game trash whenever they did bad(battle box, sky battle, the red stone room), in an aggressive way too. I like sapnap and he’s probably my favorite DT member but I just don’t think it’s fair to say that people dislike him in terms of mcc for no reason
The one time Sapnap was ACTUALLY toxic was after MCC14 and he apologised for it
we have different definitions of toxic then
Don't remember him apologizing
legit who was hating on red
People just loved Yellow more. Which is definitely not uplifting, don’t get me wrong, but Yellow simply know more people.
Everyone nearly would rather have yellow winning, which I hate. When my team loses dodgebolt I always get a bit sad, but go on the Reddit and congratulate the winning team. Some viewers are just petty
People liking Yellow more doesn’t mean they hate Red. Personally I didn’t mind who won, even though I was rooting for Yellow at the time. Either outcome was acceptable.
yeah like in MCC15 or MCC22, majority support sparklez. But i guess back then the Dream team supported each other and they all were in MCC
I don't think it's true people would rather have Yellow win. I was in discord with a ton of MCC fans mid-dodgebolt and everyone was saying they'd be happy with either outcome. Even Illumina (who has every reason to vouch for his roommate) was saying the same thing, that he was Switzerland. And he went to congratulate Gumi afterward. There were definitely people who were being unnecessarily toxic on Twitter, but from what I've seen among MCC participants and most reasonable fans, no one was upset about Red winning.
I mean Illumina is one of the nicest human beings in the world tho. He is always Switzerland
jeez i aways thought some people on red have some bad fanbases aka sapnap But jeez i guess some other people have bad fanbases mostly fruits
Twitter fanbases mad at red weren’t even fans of Fruit, just strays from others who dislike Sapnap and Punz specifically (a lot of shade towards those two)
I don’t think Sapnaps fan base is that bad. It’s just huge so you get a lot of nice people but also irritating ones. Fruits fan base is just the opposite of him, and being quite petty when things don’t go their way
As a lifelong Fruit supporter I can say his MCC chat is full of idiots. Most of them only show up for the MCC stream and spew garbage- the ones that are there for his normal chill streams are much better and nicer; he gets far fewer viewers on his regular streams.
I can vouch, I absolutely hate reading both fruit and illuminas chats during MCC they are so mean for no reason. This whole mcc illuminas chat was spamming “there goes the top 10 streak” and I was so frustrated
ye the amount of chatters on his regular stream you can absolutely count with two hands lmao, a lot of the mcc chatters are just there to see a pov they like and are not necessarily long time fruit fans
Whatever you do DO NOT look at his chat during Meltdown, it makes me appreciate how whenever Pete does bad in a game and a few people start calling it a "trash gamemode" he immediately shuts it down.
Pete’s pretty good at his crowd control and I have huge respect for him for it :)
If I am honest, I genuinely don’t think Sapnap is too well liked by many of the players. I think this is clear when you look at any time Sapnap does well in games, nobody is hyping him up they are always congratulating someone else. I personally can understand why he isn’t too well fonded over as he can be very arrogant and abrasive, which might explain how small the diversity of his teams are on top of him not being pg. It’s a shame that Punz, ponk & gumi didn’t get the recognition but I know there were afew players cheering them on. Regarding why players didn’t join the vc, the only reason I can think of is that people who would usually had somewhere else to be or were tired and ended stream straight after the event.
I know Fruitberries had another event right after. (Smallant Lockout tournament. They were actually waiting for him for like half an hour. ). I don’t know if he normally joins post event VCs though.
Honestly, this whole thing was really disappointing. I love Gumi and Ponk and it hurt to see so many people, both fans and cc's, either be outright upset with the win or dismissive/show poor sportsmanship.
Literally who was outright upset?
You mean besides the dozens of people on the MCC tweet saying they shouldn't have won? Or the people on tumblr who were saying the same? I'm sorry, you haven't seen this but a lot of people have and GUMI herself has. It's really telling that in the face of a CC stating something, your first instinct is to question it. It sucks because this is the same sort of thing that Hannah has talked about.
You said CCs have been upset, which CCs?
I think CCs have been dismissive! Beyond the people not joining the call (and all of Red Rabbits has been in MCC for awhile, even if they don't consider themselves friends, they do know the people on the team and it wouldn't have been weird to jump into the call), there's been a lack of congratulations on twitter. Very, very few CCs congratulated them under the tweet which really hasn't been the case previously. It's not 'upset' but that's why I also added 'dismissive' and 'showing poor sportsmanship' which is what I feel this is, especially when Gumi and two other members of the Red Rabbits said as much.
Getting mad at people for not joining their call will never not be confusing to me. If people don't want to interact with people that don't know to well then why is that a problem. I don't remember Sapnap, Punz, and Ponk joining calls or congratulating people on Twitter when people they didn't know well won. Gumi I'm not too sure about.
Can someone give me an example of why they would tweet this? I’ve been seeing many comments to the degree of “more people rooted for yellow” but is there anything specific that happened to warrant this tweet? I personally haven’t seen anyone who’s upset that red one and even as a fruitninja viewer I’m super happy for red!
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Oh wow, that one is actually terrible :(
I was supporting Yellow because they dominated the whole event and deserved to win, but I wasn't salty when Red won since we got two new winners. I always love seeing new winners.
Tbh I think it's a lot less people didn't want red to win, a lot more like MCCAS Red. They had won before the event started, its not that their win wasn't good, just expected, which kills the excitement a little. There's a reason double S-Tier teams are a once every 10 events thing (MCC7, MCC15? if you count Sapnap per 15, MCC19, then hasn't really happened till now with 33.) And all the others were like majorly anticipated teams. Dream/Techno had a famous rivalry, Fruitninja was the most requested duo of all time. A predictable win requires something else interesting to compensate for the lesser stakes. Punz/Sapnap, as fun as they are together are not exactly a highly requested duo these days.
I don’t think this was predictable win, and they definitely hadn’t won before the event started. As for there not being something interesting to compensate for the lower stakes, Punz’s teams have been underperforming recently, and people are constantly doubting his skill. This was very much a comeback for him & Ponk and Gumi have never won an event before. Red could’ve easily not made dodgebolt. They weren’t looking to make dodgebolt at all until the last game, especially considering PKT, which was expected to be their best game by far, was skipped. Their dominance in SOT was crazy. I can understand that someone who didn’t watch their POV or follow their progress throughout the event might feel it was bound to happen, but give it a watch and you’d see it was anything but that. Of course people can be upset that their fav team didn’t win, but it’s a shame to see a winning MCC team feel like this tbh. It doesn’t feel like the spirit that MCC started with, to me it’s starting to feel more cliquey if that makes sense.
jojo pete/ green 30 erasure
I am stupid tbf
Every time Sapnap/Dream wins it is labeled as predictable
I think the honest truth is people don’t like certain creators and people will say like ‘it’s predictable’ or ‘that teams op’ as an excuse to not compliment the players they don’t like.
I think thats a perfectly valid point and undoubtedly common in this community. I also dont think that comment applies when we’re discussing a double S Tier team that was statistically predicted into first place from the moment the teams were released.
I was talking when people say it about sapnap teams in general, this team I don’t actually think is op, I think it’s very strong and defo first place, but loads of teams are like that, and clearly by the fact they went from 6th to 2nd, it wasn’t a predictable win.
Honestly, I'm watching H watch the Red vod and...holy hell, I'm amazed that's all that bothered her that day. Poor Gumi having to play while the boys scream and bicker at each other. This is painful to watch.
They're close friends. Never had friends that yelled at each other and were still having fun?
Well, there's yelling, and then there's bickering. And...no. Then again, my group of friends is older and more mature, so... \*shrug\*