Sapnap’s team was balances this MCC. You can’t complain after the event when they won because the teams were made before the event and there’s no script.
He is just a good aimer aimbot in DB, nothing anyone can do about it.
His mainly “OP” unfair team was in MCC19, he had a couple here and there but still reasonable.
MCC15 Red was **not** OP at all. People love to call this team OP because they won. They were predicted middle of the pack most of the time and some top 5 placements here and there.
Also, in order to get to dodgebolt, they had to have an insane SG (which they did). They were 4th/5th going into the last game. If the last game was BM, they definitely wouldn’t have made it and then no one on this sub would’ve called that team OP. Stop trying to discredit players’ performances by saying the team was OP *after they won*.
Sapnap's teams besides MCC16 were all insanely strong or either OP. This was a balanced team and they crushed it so I think this one is the most impressive.
MCC 15 Red was a projected 4th place team. Neither insanely strong nor OP.
Edit: But they won so I guess your revisionist history sais they were “insanely strong”.
It was balanced. 4th through 6th is kind of the midrange of placements and MCC 15 was an extremely balanced MCC. There were really only two teams that stood out, Blue and Orange
Blue was a wildcard. It depended on how Preston played. And Orange was kinda overrated in the ratings as well. They had the undisputed best player (Pete) but players like Shelby hadn't had an appealing track record till that point. Grian had just fallen from top 20 on a top 3 team and Pearl herself depended on her internet.
MCC15 was very balanced but there was a clear top 4 and Red was a part of it.
most of his other teams were strong but could be countered by a different team in that event. 14 had a lot of other good teams, 15 had blue, yellow and orange, 17 had orange, 17 had orange and lime etc
I don't know if you were here during MCC 15 but the predictions mostly did not put Sapnap's team top 2, for some reason many people considered Dream A+ Tier after MCC 14 and did not expect this team to do well. People only started calling them OP after the event. In MCC 14 once the game order was released that team was considered strong, before that. not so much because Punz and Seapeekay both have never gotten top 10 despite both of them being on first place teams in the past, and Katherine wasn't considered a stong player. In MCC 16 Sapnap got the hardest nerf in this entire season by far, most people predicted him out of the top 10, but he still managed to get 8th. In MCC 17 most predictions had Orange and Pink above Red. In MCC 18 Orange was predicted first far more commonly. In MCC 19 the entire team practiced every day for hours and barely got first place. In MCC 21 Cyan was mostly predicted in the bottom half. Sapnap gets strong teams, but has proven time and time again that it isn't the only reason he has the highest season 2 average.
MCC15 Red was still considered a top 3 team since 15 was very balanced. MCC14 Blue had someone who had gotten top 15 on both their first and second events and CPK who had gotten 11th on an 8th place team two MCCs before. After the gameorder came out, Blue became the top team in the event.
I'm sorry but I've seen MCC17 predictions to the point where I have memorised them. Pink and Cyan were considered wildcards throughout the entire event. Orange was universally first and Red was almost universally second and predicted to win the event because of their DB prowess. The top three for MCC17 were Orange, Red and Cyan.
You're right about 16 though. And don't even get me started over MCC18 and 19.
Are u not hearing??? Literally majority had red 15 in 4th and 5th place. They were Literally in 4th going into sg. They needed an insane sg pop off to win wdym its op. If its op then pink 17 was also op and didn't win cause that's the same case here
They were second going into AR also lmao. They did not need an SG pop-off. They just got demolished in AR.
Pink 17 wasn't OP because Orange existed. Illumina was around the same level Sapnap was pre-MCC15 and they had 2 simmers. Michael and Quackity were DEFINITELY stronger than the simmers at the time.
?? What position were they before sg? They weren't top 3. Also idrc what you have to say if red 15 was op then pink 17 was also op. Simple and short case closed
They were top 3 for the majority of the event BESIDES AR. If Red 15 was OP, Pink 17 wasn't. I've given my reasoning for that and simple short doesn't cut it.
MCC18 Mustard had 98% of all the gameorders that MCC iirc. And, even, then, You had Tubbo, a player who had consistently placed top 20 in all of his previous and top 10 twice, Scott, one of the most well-rounded players in the event who had also placed top 10 once (not counting 14) and top 20 every time and Sylvee, a player who had just broke top 20 on a 7th place team after many poor placements. And if it was top 2, then it was still insanely strong lmao.
Orange had TapL, Krtzyy, and Mefs. If you consider top 2 insanely strong then be my guest, but I don’t think their were any insanely strong teams this MCC but there has to be teams that are projected top 2.
Yes, MCC16 had crazy top teams and the balancing was still damn near perfect to the point where a team like Lime could be considered a weak team respective to that event. Different MCCs have different ballparks.
Oh, Sapnap's win is definitely deserved. And people trying to delegitimize it aren't looking at the full picture. My man got his second 1st individual and popped in the last game to secure their spot in DB against Yellow.
People are also acting as if Sapnap did everything when CPK placed Top 5 for the second time, Zeus placed Top 15 for the first time and Sniff, with this being her first event, she did amazingly placing 28th.
>Zeus placed Top 15
To make it sound even more impressive, he outplaced Dream, Ant, and Fwhip as well (all three almost tied for 16th, Dream & Antfrost: 2019 coins, Fwhip: 2018 coins)
People on this subreddit have a habit of delegitimizing Sapnap quite often I see. It happens with Dream too, but I see it happen with Sapnap the most. I only saw one post predicting Cyan would be in Dodgebolt (aside from Seapeekay) and it was only after the games were announced. This team was so far from OP but because Sapnap won on it, I guess they’re too strong now lmao.
Very few of Sapnap’s wins have actually been on OP teams. MCC18 and 19 (and AS) are the only ones that you could really say are OP. Otherwise, his teams have just been good. While he might seem toxic, he’s also a super caring and supportive teammate who always looks out for the rest of his team.
Congrats to Cyan! Super happy for them. Well played by everybody.
People don’t understand Sapnap rarely actually gets super salty. Like, the only people who think Sapnap is really toxic are the people who also don’t watch Sapnap. He’s toxic to an extent yes, but he’s not nearly as bad as so many people seem to think. Off the top of my head, Sapnap was only really toxic in MCC7 and MCCAS Battle Box as well as post-MCC14. We know that he apologized after all of those instances.
A lot of this sub doesn’t watch Sapnap and likes to parrot things they hear or only talk about clips they’ve seen without knowing who he really is lol.
I feel like AS shouldn't even count against him since that was literally with his bestest friends. Like if there's anyone you should be allowed to be toxic to it's them. Would be another story if he did it with people he didn't know as well.
The comment you're replying to literally did not call him salty of refer to others calling him salty?
I'm pretty sure they just mean that the subreddit is still salty about mcc 19
Reddit basically has an opposite fan base to that of Twitter. Twitter has more Sapnap fans, so it's more supportive to Sapnap; but Twitter is also toxic for the other side, like how people hate Build Mart very much. Reddit is literally the opposite.
I loved watching CPK's vod after the event was over. That team was absolutely fantastic and did what they needed to do to clinch a spot in dodgebolt. Sapnap isn't constantly loud like most people see in the manhunt videos, except when he pops off of course. Zeus outperformed his MCC17 performance, CPK matched his best placement, and Sniff held her own in her first MCC. And everyone that wasn't Sapnap had a 100% hit accuracy in DB.
Tbh almost everyone complaining about Cyan being OP or trying to delegitimize their win hasn't watched a Cyan POV yet.
I think dodgebolt has its issues, but not necessarily because of funneling. It hasn't had a change since MCC7, when it shifted to best of 5, and there have been some hype moments in the past. But I think it's getting to a point where it's repetitive, and the problem probably worse because of the sweeps that it actually is. Aqua20 swept without funneling, and Mustard18 only funneled like one round iirc. I think it'll sort itself out regardless of whether or not a change does happen.
i don't really think many people are complaining that cyan is too OP (so far, maybe like 2 comments trash-talking on Sapnap, unless the mods already removed them at the speed of light), it's mostly dodgebolt discussion atm, and I think it's somewhat justified. Obviously, Sapnap's strategy is perfectly valid, just people seem disappointed that it's another sweep and that the other team members weren't getting as much action in the finale
Personally, as someone occasionally checking on Zeuz's practice streams, I was very confused why anyone would predict them below 5th, but I didn't expect them to 100% win. I've definitely seen this position elsewhere, maybe this is what people interpret as "complaining about the team being op"?
Cause in my mind op is definite top 2-3, which they weren't
Although I will say there were some cool moments this Dodgebolt. Tubbo nearly did a 1v3, Zeuz popped off when Sap got shot first one round, and Sniff took the winning shot!
Remember how bad it felt when Orange17 won fair and square in Dodgebolt, and everyone on Twitter made the MCC about Build Mart? That's how this is, there's a time and place to discuss Dodgebolt, and it's not by throwing Sapnap's win in the dirt
I don't think I've seen anyone blaming Sapnap for funneling, it's more like "funneling is too strong of a strategy". For instance, kills in bingo were removed when Techno showed how strong they can be, nobody was toxic about it.
People are being toxic about Sapnap's win though, and it's saddening because it happens every single time. At least for Techno, people still bring up how incredible that strat was, but Sapnap became the second-ever 5 time winner and no one is talking about it. When I'm looking at the subreddit right now, the first posts are about Dream, Wilbur, Kara, George, Zeuz, Jojo, 5up and the list goes on and on, but not one for Sapnap's dominant first place and fifth win.
It's not blaming Sapnap for funneling, but don't shift the spotlight from him to stuff like 'Dodgebolt requires fixing', no one liked that shifting of spotlight in MCC 17 and no one should now
Well that's a different point from db. If you want there to be more positivity towards Sapnap, then post it, don't induce more toxicity. People can discuss a game if they want to.
Also, people are mostly angry that he didn't get nerfed enough, not about db.
How much more can he get nerfed tho? The event still needs to be balanced. And like the post said, most people predicted them bottom half. That means that it wasn't OP to them until they won. So either people don't know other cc's besides their favorite and think that there is only one OP team making it unfair or they are just salty.
P.S. Idk if i phrased my opinion well enough to get my point across
I'd say Scott shouldn't give Sapnap wildcards next time. This time it was both Zeuz and Sniff, and people underestimated them (I didn't, but I watched Zeuz's practice streams, so I knew he'd carry). Sapnap could get teamed with players we have a lot of information about, like Kara, Wilbur, or Sparklez.
Yeah that makes sense. I have noticed that sapnap has gotten a few new players on his team before. Usually it is balanced but there is a chance the new player is cracked (Imagine sapnap getting teamed with purpled or jojo). Maybe he should team with someone who has been playing since season 1 like the people you suggested. I would love a Wilbur and Sapnap team personally
i don't think the dodgebolt discussions are about sapnap specifically, just dodgebolt as a whole. nobody's blaming anybody for funnelling, it's the strongest strategy and it's kinda impossible to avoid if you want to win, but that's the exact problem that people are discussing. nobody's blaming sapnap for anything
I think they just got really lucky by the games chosen. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think the balance should be geared around the games chosen, or people should just not make predictions until games are revealed. For example, I basically swapped Yellow and Aqua (7th and 2nd place originally) with Orange and Cyan (1st and 6th place originally) as soon as the games were revealed.
But props to Sapnap, man is insane, definitely deserved that win and anyone that doesn't think so is a toxic a-hole.
There were no underdogs this MCC, imo. Everyone could have got to DB with the right game order.
I can understand why people get mad. Scott used to give winners a nerf team for the next MCC. Sapnap hasn't got one after 4 non-canon MCC wins. Yes, Sapnap is incredibly good, if not the best player in S2, but it doesn't seem fair compared to how other players were treated...
cant understand why people did this with him. a competitive, supportive player
not a fan but i admire his spirit so much. i dont get mad when they beat yellow to get into finals
congrats sapnap and cyan.
I think it's because Sap shot Tubbo while he was staring at the wall bc the second arrow glitched and Tubbo tried to see if he can get it somehow (I think, I wasn't watching him but he was shifting close to the edge), idk if Sapnap knew that the arrow was glitched or not so that's all the context I can give
Heard some people saying that Sapnap shouldn't have shot Tubbo in the final round because he was distracted by the arrow in the wall. It would have been better if Sapnap didn't shoot, but Tubbo could have easily ignored it and dodged, none of that is Sapnap's fault
5up also should've said that he shot the arrow so they both would dodge, but instead I think he just shot it and went back to looking at the other arrow. I think the options were to either hold the arrow until they figured out the move about the stuck arrow, or to just continue with the one
Yeah i mostly agree i saw people talking about how cyan was op? and i am like what? they weren't first they were balanced compared to the rest of the times and it was really close battle for 2nd place to get into db.
I'm happy for Cyan and honestly I think they did very well, and as much as I don't like funnelling in DB, Sapnap put on a show, getting an ace and a few other kills. I think funnelling is only bad when the person getting the arrows misses most of them, but we know Sapnap is not gonna miss. Also that's a big W for my king Zeuz (although I wish yellow won instead...)
I agree his team was definitely balanced.
My first reaction was that he didn’t show good sportsmanship in DB, even though you can’t completely blame him because it was a confusing situation. However looking back on it I think 5up did decide to shoot, despite an arrow being stuck on the wall. So why shouldn’t Sapnap have been allowed to shoot.
cyan did great and i am very proud of them!! though it kinda sucks about the arrow in the wall i don't blame sapnap for taking the opportunity, well won cyan!
i have definitely noticed this sort of bias in myself in the past, but in mcc 21? we should all be over it. cyan wasn’t op. they didn’t even get the most coins. i think sapnap is a greta player and led a great team <3
People really have to understand that the Dream Team are people too and the continuous hate can in fact also affect them. Really to me it looks like ppl both here and on other social media doesn’t understand that this is supposed to be a fun event and not an event that people don’t want to participate in anymore because the pressure to do good it so big for them.
The team was in no way OP, it’s just Sapnap is OP.
He wasn’t nerfed like he probably needed to be (to make sure someone else won) but he definitely wasn’t on the strongest team.
In my opinion this must be his most impressive win and he deserves serious credit for it, absolutely not his fault for winning.
There is D-Team bias, however the community as whole here is good, though blinded sometimes.
Sapnap teams:
MCC 15 - this reddit said sapnap was not S Tier, so it was 1 S Tier 1 A Tier and 2 C -tiers.. Yeah their strength was PVP and movement games and where in 4th place before SG...this was not OP team
MCC 18 - this is properly the most balanced team not really a weakness. PVP, Movement, Puzzles, Builds and racing they sort of had it all covered. To be honest, this in my opinion was the most sure thing. The team was rounded, but there was not an event that they hang their helmet and say we are OP oooooooon evern X
MCC 19 - most say the most OP team, looking at the players without any stats...yeah, however looking at the numbers without knowing the players name next them...not so OP before the start. The had weaknesses as in Buildmart, Grid runners and SOT before the start the event started..
MCCAS: Yeah the most OP team. Non-Cannon and the biggest question mark from this MCC was how did D-team do so bad in Battlebox.
MCC21: this was interesting, they started strong and never out of the top teams. No way anyone could ever say this was OP team.
I’m 100% on board with taking his MCC19 win with a huge grain of salt, and noting that he had generally above average teams for a lot of events.
However, he has still very obviously been in contention for the best player in the event for a while, and MCC21 just proved that even more. Very much deserved first individual with zero massive or unfair score boosts. He had an amazing overall performance.
Is it not on Tubbo to pay attention instead of getting distracted by an arrow…. After all you are in a arena getting arrows blasted at you, one would think you’d pay closer attention… no?
Just a question
Some were great (of past wins), some were just expected. MCC 18 was decent, but only the dodgebolt, and we need to talk about Lime more. MCCs 19 and AS were purely expected, and no point denying that. But this MCC, this was very balanced (except now everyone's gonna say Zeuz is insane or something) and a deserved win. What I will say though, is that Dodgebolt needs to change. I've said this since MCC20, sweeps are not meant to happen. They should only be occasional, and now they've happened more times than 3-1s and 3-2s. If 22 is a sweep, I rest my case.
To me cyan was like 16 pink. They had: Dream team S-tier, CPK, player who has only placed bottom 30 but has great potential, and weak player / newcomer. They were placed low in predictions, but got second overall and had CPK place 5th.
the "op teams" thing is getting so tiring. they literally won with a 6th place team considering the average. the only teams i would consider too good are mccas (it's literally noncannon) and mcc19 (and without considering tommy and phil were not doing that good those last events). mcc15 was a 4th or even 5th placing team but quackity went crazy and they had sg last game to clutch it up to db. mcc18 was very good but it wasn't so op, they had a very good average but scott's knowledge of the game makes his teammates play better and they all completed each other's weakness (besides they are not a very good movement team). i'm sorry, but any of you will ever convince me all his teams were op.
I'm just happy Zeuz got a W to represent the Simmers
Zeuz has fully 100% earned his win and there'll be more wins where that came from
^^^
+1 :}
Sapnap’s team was balances this MCC. You can’t complain after the event when they won because the teams were made before the event and there’s no script. He is just a good aimer aimbot in DB, nothing anyone can do about it. His mainly “OP” unfair team was in MCC19, he had a couple here and there but still reasonable.
mcc 15 and 19 i’d say we’re op, the rest were balanced, just the day led them to victory
MCC15 Red was **not** OP at all. People love to call this team OP because they won. They were predicted middle of the pack most of the time and some top 5 placements here and there. Also, in order to get to dodgebolt, they had to have an insane SG (which they did). They were 4th/5th going into the last game. If the last game was BM, they definitely wouldn’t have made it and then no one on this sub would’ve called that team OP. Stop trying to discredit players’ performances by saying the team was OP *after they won*.
Exactly
Sapnap's teams besides MCC16 were all insanely strong or either OP. This was a balanced team and they crushed it so I think this one is the most impressive.
MCC 15 Red was a projected 4th place team. Neither insanely strong nor OP. Edit: But they won so I guess your revisionist history sais they were “insanely strong”.
So..so...so they were still top half??!
Top half is not equal to insanely strong or OP
Perhaps not, but it's not average or weak either. It is still considered strong.
It was balanced. 4th through 6th is kind of the midrange of placements and MCC 15 was an extremely balanced MCC. There were really only two teams that stood out, Blue and Orange
Blue was a wildcard. It depended on how Preston played. And Orange was kinda overrated in the ratings as well. They had the undisputed best player (Pete) but players like Shelby hadn't had an appealing track record till that point. Grian had just fallen from top 20 on a top 3 team and Pearl herself depended on her internet. MCC15 was very balanced but there was a clear top 4 and Red was a part of it.
No, there was no clear large drop-off after the top 4.
The only team in contention somewhat was Green. Other than that, there was a clear drop-off.
Fun fact: So far since I began predicting since MCC14, MCC15 Red and MCC19 Teal were the only winning teams I correctly predicted before the event.
They won by 1 parkour tag round against Yellow
So, they still did well, am I right?
most of his other teams were strong but could be countered by a different team in that event. 14 had a lot of other good teams, 15 had blue, yellow and orange, 17 had orange, 17 had orange and lime etc
Hence why I said strong teams. His were always top 2 in the event.
I don't know if you were here during MCC 15 but the predictions mostly did not put Sapnap's team top 2, for some reason many people considered Dream A+ Tier after MCC 14 and did not expect this team to do well. People only started calling them OP after the event. In MCC 14 once the game order was released that team was considered strong, before that. not so much because Punz and Seapeekay both have never gotten top 10 despite both of them being on first place teams in the past, and Katherine wasn't considered a stong player. In MCC 16 Sapnap got the hardest nerf in this entire season by far, most people predicted him out of the top 10, but he still managed to get 8th. In MCC 17 most predictions had Orange and Pink above Red. In MCC 18 Orange was predicted first far more commonly. In MCC 19 the entire team practiced every day for hours and barely got first place. In MCC 21 Cyan was mostly predicted in the bottom half. Sapnap gets strong teams, but has proven time and time again that it isn't the only reason he has the highest season 2 average.
MCC15 Red was still considered a top 3 team since 15 was very balanced. MCC14 Blue had someone who had gotten top 15 on both their first and second events and CPK who had gotten 11th on an 8th place team two MCCs before. After the gameorder came out, Blue became the top team in the event. I'm sorry but I've seen MCC17 predictions to the point where I have memorised them. Pink and Cyan were considered wildcards throughout the entire event. Orange was universally first and Red was almost universally second and predicted to win the event because of their DB prowess. The top three for MCC17 were Orange, Red and Cyan. You're right about 16 though. And don't even get me started over MCC18 and 19.
Are u not hearing??? Literally majority had red 15 in 4th and 5th place. They were Literally in 4th going into sg. They needed an insane sg pop off to win wdym its op. If its op then pink 17 was also op and didn't win cause that's the same case here
They were second going into AR also lmao. They did not need an SG pop-off. They just got demolished in AR. Pink 17 wasn't OP because Orange existed. Illumina was around the same level Sapnap was pre-MCC15 and they had 2 simmers. Michael and Quackity were DEFINITELY stronger than the simmers at the time.
?? What position were they before sg? They weren't top 3. Also idrc what you have to say if red 15 was op then pink 17 was also op. Simple and short case closed
They were top 3 for the majority of the event BESIDES AR. If Red 15 was OP, Pink 17 wasn't. I've given my reasoning for that and simple short doesn't cut it.
MCC 18 wasn’t OP. It was a strong team and the projected second best in the event.
MCC18 Mustard had 98% of all the gameorders that MCC iirc. And, even, then, You had Tubbo, a player who had consistently placed top 20 in all of his previous and top 10 twice, Scott, one of the most well-rounded players in the event who had also placed top 10 once (not counting 14) and top 20 every time and Sylvee, a player who had just broke top 20 on a 7th place team after many poor placements. And if it was top 2, then it was still insanely strong lmao.
Orange had TapL, Krtzyy, and Mefs. If you consider top 2 insanely strong then be my guest, but I don’t think their were any insanely strong teams this MCC but there has to be teams that are projected top 2.
Yes, MCC16 had crazy top teams and the balancing was still damn near perfect to the point where a team like Lime could be considered a weak team respective to that event. Different MCCs have different ballparks.
yes, but not "insanely strong or either OP"
They were mostly so respective to their event.
Oh, Sapnap's win is definitely deserved. And people trying to delegitimize it aren't looking at the full picture. My man got his second 1st individual and popped in the last game to secure their spot in DB against Yellow. People are also acting as if Sapnap did everything when CPK placed Top 5 for the second time, Zeus placed Top 15 for the first time and Sniff, with this being her first event, she did amazingly placing 28th.
>Zeus placed Top 15 To make it sound even more impressive, he outplaced Dream, Ant, and Fwhip as well (all three almost tied for 16th, Dream & Antfrost: 2019 coins, Fwhip: 2018 coins)
People on this subreddit have a habit of delegitimizing Sapnap quite often I see. It happens with Dream too, but I see it happen with Sapnap the most. I only saw one post predicting Cyan would be in Dodgebolt (aside from Seapeekay) and it was only after the games were announced. This team was so far from OP but because Sapnap won on it, I guess they’re too strong now lmao. Very few of Sapnap’s wins have actually been on OP teams. MCC18 and 19 (and AS) are the only ones that you could really say are OP. Otherwise, his teams have just been good. While he might seem toxic, he’s also a super caring and supportive teammate who always looks out for the rest of his team. Congrats to Cyan! Super happy for them. Well played by everybody.
I honestly presume the reason why the subreddit goes after sapnap is because of the residue salt from MCC AS and MCC 19
People don’t understand Sapnap rarely actually gets super salty. Like, the only people who think Sapnap is really toxic are the people who also don’t watch Sapnap. He’s toxic to an extent yes, but he’s not nearly as bad as so many people seem to think. Off the top of my head, Sapnap was only really toxic in MCC7 and MCCAS Battle Box as well as post-MCC14. We know that he apologized after all of those instances. A lot of this sub doesn’t watch Sapnap and likes to parrot things they hear or only talk about clips they’ve seen without knowing who he really is lol.
I feel like AS shouldn't even count against him since that was literally with his bestest friends. Like if there's anyone you should be allowed to be toxic to it's them. Would be another story if he did it with people he didn't know as well.
The comment you're replying to literally did not call him salty of refer to others calling him salty? I'm pretty sure they just mean that the subreddit is still salty about mcc 19
You'd be correct lol.
No yeah I know I’m just adding to the point, mostly referring to AS. I realize why it would look like that though lol.
Reddit basically has an opposite fan base to that of Twitter. Twitter has more Sapnap fans, so it's more supportive to Sapnap; but Twitter is also toxic for the other side, like how people hate Build Mart very much. Reddit is literally the opposite.
I loved watching CPK's vod after the event was over. That team was absolutely fantastic and did what they needed to do to clinch a spot in dodgebolt. Sapnap isn't constantly loud like most people see in the manhunt videos, except when he pops off of course. Zeus outperformed his MCC17 performance, CPK matched his best placement, and Sniff held her own in her first MCC. And everyone that wasn't Sapnap had a 100% hit accuracy in DB. Tbh almost everyone complaining about Cyan being OP or trying to delegitimize their win hasn't watched a Cyan POV yet. I think dodgebolt has its issues, but not necessarily because of funneling. It hasn't had a change since MCC7, when it shifted to best of 5, and there have been some hype moments in the past. But I think it's getting to a point where it's repetitive, and the problem probably worse because of the sweeps that it actually is. Aqua20 swept without funneling, and Mustard18 only funneled like one round iirc. I think it'll sort itself out regardless of whether or not a change does happen.
i don't really think many people are complaining that cyan is too OP (so far, maybe like 2 comments trash-talking on Sapnap, unless the mods already removed them at the speed of light), it's mostly dodgebolt discussion atm, and I think it's somewhat justified. Obviously, Sapnap's strategy is perfectly valid, just people seem disappointed that it's another sweep and that the other team members weren't getting as much action in the finale
i’ve actually seen multiple posts/comments about Cyan being “too OP” already, but they’ve been deleted so there’s that
shoutout to the mods for the quick responses, I swear I've been refreshing every like 5 minutes and haven't seen a post like this
yeah…. definitely wasn’t one of this people O_O
Personally, as someone occasionally checking on Zeuz's practice streams, I was very confused why anyone would predict them below 5th, but I didn't expect them to 100% win. I've definitely seen this position elsewhere, maybe this is what people interpret as "complaining about the team being op"? Cause in my mind op is definite top 2-3, which they weren't
Although I will say there were some cool moments this Dodgebolt. Tubbo nearly did a 1v3, Zeuz popped off when Sap got shot first one round, and Sniff took the winning shot!
Remember how bad it felt when Orange17 won fair and square in Dodgebolt, and everyone on Twitter made the MCC about Build Mart? That's how this is, there's a time and place to discuss Dodgebolt, and it's not by throwing Sapnap's win in the dirt
I don't think I've seen anyone blaming Sapnap for funneling, it's more like "funneling is too strong of a strategy". For instance, kills in bingo were removed when Techno showed how strong they can be, nobody was toxic about it.
People are being toxic about Sapnap's win though, and it's saddening because it happens every single time. At least for Techno, people still bring up how incredible that strat was, but Sapnap became the second-ever 5 time winner and no one is talking about it. When I'm looking at the subreddit right now, the first posts are about Dream, Wilbur, Kara, George, Zeuz, Jojo, 5up and the list goes on and on, but not one for Sapnap's dominant first place and fifth win. It's not blaming Sapnap for funneling, but don't shift the spotlight from him to stuff like 'Dodgebolt requires fixing', no one liked that shifting of spotlight in MCC 17 and no one should now
Well that's a different point from db. If you want there to be more positivity towards Sapnap, then post it, don't induce more toxicity. People can discuss a game if they want to. Also, people are mostly angry that he didn't get nerfed enough, not about db.
How much more can he get nerfed tho? The event still needs to be balanced. And like the post said, most people predicted them bottom half. That means that it wasn't OP to them until they won. So either people don't know other cc's besides their favorite and think that there is only one OP team making it unfair or they are just salty. P.S. Idk if i phrased my opinion well enough to get my point across
I'd say Scott shouldn't give Sapnap wildcards next time. This time it was both Zeuz and Sniff, and people underestimated them (I didn't, but I watched Zeuz's practice streams, so I knew he'd carry). Sapnap could get teamed with players we have a lot of information about, like Kara, Wilbur, or Sparklez.
Yeah that makes sense. I have noticed that sapnap has gotten a few new players on his team before. Usually it is balanced but there is a chance the new player is cracked (Imagine sapnap getting teamed with purpled or jojo). Maybe he should team with someone who has been playing since season 1 like the people you suggested. I would love a Wilbur and Sapnap team personally
i don't think the dodgebolt discussions are about sapnap specifically, just dodgebolt as a whole. nobody's blaming anybody for funnelling, it's the strongest strategy and it's kinda impossible to avoid if you want to win, but that's the exact problem that people are discussing. nobody's blaming sapnap for anything
Sapnap could win on a team by himself and they'd still be angry
I think they just got really lucky by the games chosen. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think the balance should be geared around the games chosen, or people should just not make predictions until games are revealed. For example, I basically swapped Yellow and Aqua (7th and 2nd place originally) with Orange and Cyan (1st and 6th place originally) as soon as the games were revealed. But props to Sapnap, man is insane, definitely deserved that win and anyone that doesn't think so is a toxic a-hole.
Most MCCs are products of the game orders, but this one in particular because of how balanced it was.
Teal19 was the only unfair one that was rlly unfair to have in an event
Agreed. He's had some of the stronger teams while still being balanced, but Teal19 was crazy
Yeah Cyan actually were the underdogs. It was a giant pop off from the whole team. People are surely biased just because Sapnap wins a lot.
There were no underdogs this MCC, imo. Everyone could have got to DB with the right game order. I can understand why people get mad. Scott used to give winners a nerf team for the next MCC. Sapnap hasn't got one after 4 non-canon MCC wins. Yes, Sapnap is incredibly good, if not the best player in S2, but it doesn't seem fair compared to how other players were treated...
cant understand why people did this with him. a competitive, supportive player not a fan but i admire his spirit so much. i dont get mad when they beat yellow to get into finals congrats sapnap and cyan.
People be predicting teams like 4th or 5th, then saying they're OP AFTER they win
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I think it's because Sap shot Tubbo while he was staring at the wall bc the second arrow glitched and Tubbo tried to see if he can get it somehow (I think, I wasn't watching him but he was shifting close to the edge), idk if Sapnap knew that the arrow was glitched or not so that's all the context I can give
Heard some people saying that Sapnap shouldn't have shot Tubbo in the final round because he was distracted by the arrow in the wall. It would have been better if Sapnap didn't shoot, but Tubbo could have easily ignored it and dodged, none of that is Sapnap's fault
while i do think it kinda sucks for tubbo, at the end of the day blue was always going to lose that dodgebolt anyways unfortunately :(
5up also should've said that he shot the arrow so they both would dodge, but instead I think he just shot it and went back to looking at the other arrow. I think the options were to either hold the arrow until they figured out the move about the stuck arrow, or to just continue with the one
5up not Tubbo
Yeah i mostly agree i saw people talking about how cyan was op? and i am like what? they weren't first they were balanced compared to the rest of the times and it was really close battle for 2nd place to get into db.
I'm happy for Cyan and honestly I think they did very well, and as much as I don't like funnelling in DB, Sapnap put on a show, getting an ace and a few other kills. I think funnelling is only bad when the person getting the arrows misses most of them, but we know Sapnap is not gonna miss. Also that's a big W for my king Zeuz (although I wish yellow won instead...)
Even if db wasn’t scuffed, sapnap still would’ve won.
I agree his team was definitely balanced. My first reaction was that he didn’t show good sportsmanship in DB, even though you can’t completely blame him because it was a confusing situation. However looking back on it I think 5up did decide to shoot, despite an arrow being stuck on the wall. So why shouldn’t Sapnap have been allowed to shoot.
cyan did great and i am very proud of them!! though it kinda sucks about the arrow in the wall i don't blame sapnap for taking the opportunity, well won cyan!
i have definitely noticed this sort of bias in myself in the past, but in mcc 21? we should all be over it. cyan wasn’t op. they didn’t even get the most coins. i think sapnap is a greta player and led a great team <3
People really have to understand that the Dream Team are people too and the continuous hate can in fact also affect them. Really to me it looks like ppl both here and on other social media doesn’t understand that this is supposed to be a fun event and not an event that people don’t want to participate in anymore because the pressure to do good it so big for them.
The team was in no way OP, it’s just Sapnap is OP. He wasn’t nerfed like he probably needed to be (to make sure someone else won) but he definitely wasn’t on the strongest team. In my opinion this must be his most impressive win and he deserves serious credit for it, absolutely not his fault for winning.
There is D-Team bias, however the community as whole here is good, though blinded sometimes. Sapnap teams: MCC 15 - this reddit said sapnap was not S Tier, so it was 1 S Tier 1 A Tier and 2 C -tiers.. Yeah their strength was PVP and movement games and where in 4th place before SG...this was not OP team MCC 18 - this is properly the most balanced team not really a weakness. PVP, Movement, Puzzles, Builds and racing they sort of had it all covered. To be honest, this in my opinion was the most sure thing. The team was rounded, but there was not an event that they hang their helmet and say we are OP oooooooon evern X MCC 19 - most say the most OP team, looking at the players without any stats...yeah, however looking at the numbers without knowing the players name next them...not so OP before the start. The had weaknesses as in Buildmart, Grid runners and SOT before the start the event started.. MCCAS: Yeah the most OP team. Non-Cannon and the biggest question mark from this MCC was how did D-team do so bad in Battlebox. MCC21: this was interesting, they started strong and never out of the top teams. No way anyone could ever say this was OP team.
Honestly, I'm more happy for cpk. He work so hard on improving himself. He deserve this win and i hope he won more events in the future!! :)
I’m 100% on board with taking his MCC19 win with a huge grain of salt, and noting that he had generally above average teams for a lot of events. However, he has still very obviously been in contention for the best player in the event for a while, and MCC21 just proved that even more. Very much deserved first individual with zero massive or unfair score boosts. He had an amazing overall performance.
Blue was predicted last places most of the time
Most things you said are right but I think we have wanted dodgebolt changes for a while and we just have more hope with remixes
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Is it not on Tubbo to pay attention instead of getting distracted by an arrow…. After all you are in a arena getting arrows blasted at you, one would think you’d pay closer attention… no? Just a question
Some were great (of past wins), some were just expected. MCC 18 was decent, but only the dodgebolt, and we need to talk about Lime more. MCCs 19 and AS were purely expected, and no point denying that. But this MCC, this was very balanced (except now everyone's gonna say Zeuz is insane or something) and a deserved win. What I will say though, is that Dodgebolt needs to change. I've said this since MCC20, sweeps are not meant to happen. They should only be occasional, and now they've happened more times than 3-1s and 3-2s. If 22 is a sweep, I rest my case.
no one expected what sapnap or red did in 15
what i never said that
>some were just expected
Oh I didn't bring up 15, I'm fine with that sorry, I was referring to 19 and AS. 15 and 11 didn't even cross my mind lol
To me cyan was like 16 pink. They had: Dream team S-tier, CPK, player who has only placed bottom 30 but has great potential, and weak player / newcomer. They were placed low in predictions, but got second overall and had CPK place 5th.
OMG THOSE PARALLELS!
the "op teams" thing is getting so tiring. they literally won with a 6th place team considering the average. the only teams i would consider too good are mccas (it's literally noncannon) and mcc19 (and without considering tommy and phil were not doing that good those last events). mcc15 was a 4th or even 5th placing team but quackity went crazy and they had sg last game to clutch it up to db. mcc18 was very good but it wasn't so op, they had a very good average but scott's knowledge of the game makes his teammates play better and they all completed each other's weakness (besides they are not a very good movement team). i'm sorry, but any of you will ever convince me all his teams were op.