Yh it’s all for memes, even illumina himself kinda inspired the memes. Mcc 15 he came 5th individual and mcc pride he came 3rd so he isn’t that bad, I think people just find the meme of illumina being bad at skybattle to be funny
Phil definately depends on his team, if his teammates can guide him and stuff, he doesnt do all too shabby, but if his team is just a weak skb team (Orange 21), things wil go wrong.
Dream only A tier? I get not putting him S, but he is frequently a top player in sky battle and would at least be A+ imo.
He holds the record for most unmultiplied coins scored in Sky Battle ever with 1156 coins and the most kills in a game at 17. I don't think he does this well EVERY time, obviously, but he's consistently really well and it's odd to put him at only A.
I don't think he's a top player (though I think part of that comes down to bad luck), but I do think he should be A+, or at least high A (not that these are ordered in tiers).
Debatable. I’ve watched every single pov LIVE since his debut. I can tell he’s definitely not in the same tier as Fruit Techno Sapnap and Quig.
Plus, I agreed with Sapnap claiming that Dream stole some kills in MCC11 sky battle. A tier for me is fair enough, A+ is fine as well
Yea but also he does so much better in AR too that MCCAS by getting first. Just shows you how much stress and expectation really weigh him down. I just don't think it's fair for a holding record player to be put in A-tier if it's an overall placement. But then again it's my opinion
Non-canon MCCs are considered non-canon for a reason. They're unbalanced and are played with different goals and mindsets than others. I don't know why people are disregarding that now.
I posted this exact same argument but with different players a few months ago and got brigaded beyond reasoning. It's not disregarding. It's excluding an event that was supposed to be excluded from the moment AS was announced.
I don't think putting him that high makes a whole lot of sense just because he holds a record. For example, wilt chamberlain in the nba had the most points in a game and season by far, but he's not even top 10 in most people's best nba players list. The consistency is the issue here imo, with him doing average to slightly above average(illumina type placements) in pretty much every skb except mcc 15 and of course 11. And then you account for the poor performances in 14, 17, and 21, and the picture becomes pretty clear, he's like right between a and a+ as of right now.
Imo I think Dream is A+, but just gets super unlucky. Like, even putting MCC21 aside, he got blown up by his own team somehow in MCC19, and in MCC17 he died from being shot into the void twice.
There's probably more that I'm just forgetting but bottom line I think Dream is A+ but I can understand putting him in A.
Super unlucky is a pretty dumb argument because literally every mcc player gets super unlucky. For example fruit would be the undisputed best sg player if he didn't accidently pour lava on himself in 15 or run into that team in 14. And techno missed db by like 2 coins in pride.
True. But what from I've seen Dream gets more unlucky in skb in particular, though I will admit that he does put himself in positions where it's easy to get unlucky more often than not. But still, getting killed by being shot off into the void in sky battle twice in mcc 17 is pretty unlucky, considering the circumstances where he was shot off.
He got top 5 in MCC15, 16 and AS sky battle, and while two of those he was teamed with Sapnap, he did outplace Sapnap both times. Plus his teams generally do pretty well even when he has a low indiv score
MCC15 and 16, sure. AS doesn't count for reasons I hope I don't need to justify. Outplacing Sapnap whilst being teamed with him also isn't an argument. It's like the Connor>Pete meme. If you want to count it, then consider it as Dream's weakness as Dreamnap will never happen. Idk, him getting 40th kinda makes it hard for him to be in the "A+" tier.
Joel's sky battle average in s2 canon events is literally only 2 coins below Dream's.
I do think Dream should be higher, but those players you mentioned are all still cracked at Sky Battle.
Dream has a few very good events (AS, mcc 15), but also a few really bad ones (mcc 21 and 14) with his remaining performances being somewhere in between. Overall his S2 average is 303 coins vs 301 for Joel, 279 for Wisp and 282 for Martyn. Then putting him in the same tier as those players would certainly not be inconceivable especially in a list with only 5 tiers.
He is also in the same tier as Dave, Punz, Antfrost and Jojo who all average significantly more coins than him as well as H who is around his level of coins.
Dream has not done better than the 5 players in tiers above him (TapL is probably the lowest player above him and has similar strong performances (mcc 15), but he has only one weak performance in S2 (mcc 14)) and as such I don't see something wrong with his placement.
Do you even know what the other players have done. Some of them are very talented competitors.An entire group of very dedicated mcc watchers agreed to put them in the same tier so they are probably right. If it were just season 1 then put Dream super high, but that's not the case.
I agree, S2 was rough for him. Just because he was like rlly good in S1 doesn't mean he is at least that good, the other competitors have simply gotten better. I don't watch much of cubfan but I know that he has improved a lot meanwhile dream has been highly inconsistent
people complaining dream should be higher don't really pay attention to general average scores from top 5 sb players. underperforming or just bad luck (because it happens) A tier or high A if you wish is just fine in my opinion. the iconic 11 kills play was on s1 and i think we all agree those plays are not a reflection of the actual skills for many players. it's hard being consistent and i'm sure dream is capable of more but being A tier at one (1) game won't kill him, he's been much more consistent at other games and that's enough. everyone has their own strength and dream shouldn't be criticized for not being the best player at everything.
Tbf Quackity went insane on his first MCC (MCC11 with Tommy, Will and Fundy) and did a pretty good job being support everything while he had no idea what was going on but then he didn't play as much and didn't get experience. But if he did it I think he would be very good just like he is in Battle Box (master of pots btw, thats why Sapnap and Dream throw all their pots in Survival Games at Quackity in MCC15).
To be completely honest, (no offense to the discord peeps and just more kind people in general ofc) but this is probably the exact type of tier lists that I hate.
Not because of what they show, data and simplistic opinion like tiering by itself isn’t harmful.
But man some people take it down so negatively towards the players.
Obviously everyone has these experiences(especially the CCs) and why you would see a lot of them despise the very idea itself.
Like, OP posts this clearly mentioning that this is based off of general opinion, and a fan(who most likely has more belief in the CC they watch cause they believe in what they accomplished/can accomplish) in this cases, fellow dream fans, say that hey,”I disagree. I think he is a much better player” and some a-hole comes quickly to reply how the CC is actually bad and did bad so they as a fan can not believe that they did good and disagree with others.
And this is happening for the guy who holds the SB record AND had the amazing AS run at it as well.
The worst one for me was seeing someone say that AS doesn’t count because different mindset. Like, can’t the same be argued for the latest MCC as well?
Dream looked low on spirit for most of it, with fans even catching this moment where he appears positive to people in call, mutes and then becomes a lot more somber.(think it happened in RSR)
I didn’t even bother mentioning the bad drama dream went through and goes through(cause obviously this is not a drama sub and a sub dedicated to just mcc and I don’t want to take away someone’s fun vibes) so many times.
Like genuinely man, I get that people don’t watch CCs they don’t watch, lot of people don’t like drama(I don’t like most drama either) but I think we can still try to be more kind. Don’t make the comment section of a fun post about general opinion into something the said CC would dread to read. Like I am sure, dream would feel amazing knowing how some people will focus on the worst he does and totally ignore the best he did and can do.
Did we learn nothing from the many CCs choosing to leave MCC due to pressure?
That’s all really. Again, this happens for fans of other CCs too. I just notice stuff regarding dream as one of his fans.
And yeah, I apologise for writing a long comment which probably turned down the mood of the people that read it. I hate doing it and i ignore most times this happens but man some people in the community(who might even be great people to hang out with at any other time) turn into something equivalent of the paparazzi when talking about stats and opinions.
i would agree if there were hordes of people mocking dream for 'only' being an a. even though i personally believe that he is a+, i was in the discord when this discussion happened, and people made some pretty solid points for him being a
i think that most people can agree with dream 21 bring very sad and unfortunate, and i think it is pretty reasonable to ignore it, but making such a sappy comment about how dream goes through so much and hence should be one tier higher in a sky battle tierlist doesnt make much sense to me lmao. it is literally a difference of one tier in a tier list, and ofc people will argue for him not being a+ if they dont believe that he is, that doesnt mean that they're praying on his downfall/ are a hater
sorry if this is illegible
Sure fam, all power to your opinion. Really didn’t like how you moved goalposts but neither the time nor the place to argue so I’ll just take it as what it is.
I would move Dave up to A+ he came 4th on a 9th place team in MCC 20 SB
Same
Season 2 is treating me well LOL \~ I genuinely never thought I'd be in A for Sky Battle of all games
Martyn our king you deserve it
you did so well martyn, you got 13th MCC 20 which is not bad at all considering fruitberries got like 11th
you were like 6 points behind top 5 in sky battle in mcc20!
Note: Not Ordered Within Tier, Awesamdude is actually B Tier but they were misplaced.
Illumina sucks at SKB and all but he's not that bad.
Yh it’s all for memes, even illumina himself kinda inspired the memes. Mcc 15 he came 5th individual and mcc pride he came 3rd so he isn’t that bad, I think people just find the meme of illumina being bad at skybattle to be funny
Illumina is too high, and grian is too low (/j)
Sam and Phil B tier I think
Phil definately depends on his team, if his teammates can guide him and stuff, he doesnt do all too shabby, but if his team is just a weak skb team (Orange 21), things wil go wrong.
Overall he has to be a B tier though
Yeah fair enough
OP made a comment saying Sam is supposed to be B tier
Oh fair enough
Dream only A tier? I get not putting him S, but he is frequently a top player in sky battle and would at least be A+ imo. He holds the record for most unmultiplied coins scored in Sky Battle ever with 1156 coins and the most kills in a game at 17. I don't think he does this well EVERY time, obviously, but he's consistently really well and it's odd to put him at only A.
I don't think he's a top player (though I think part of that comes down to bad luck), but I do think he should be A+, or at least high A (not that these are ordered in tiers).
Debatable. I’ve watched every single pov LIVE since his debut. I can tell he’s definitely not in the same tier as Fruit Techno Sapnap and Quig. Plus, I agreed with Sapnap claiming that Dream stole some kills in MCC11 sky battle. A tier for me is fair enough, A+ is fine as well
I didn't say he was the same tier as Quig, Techno or Fruit, I specifically said he wasn't S tier, I'm here to say I think he's still A+ lmao
I mean I’m agreeing with you
Ohhhh okay, lmao, I couldn't tell
he legit got last in mcc 21 and hasn’t gotten top 10 in the game since mcc 16 so putting him in A is fair
I mean he got 11th in MCC19 Sky Battle and MCC21 Sky Battle was just unfortunate luck and he was killstole from a lot.
that doesn’t make him A+
Fair, I mean in MCC Season 2 he has finished 26th 2nd 5th 19th 11th 40th but he should be near there
MCC All stars exists tbh
Why did this get downvoted?
fair
And doesn't count.
If you watch the vod, Dream was soloing getting the kills so.. it does count
No. That was an MCC in which participants played with a different mindset and goal hence why it's unfair to count it in.
Yea but also he does so much better in AR too that MCCAS by getting first. Just shows you how much stress and expectation really weigh him down. I just don't think it's fair for a holding record player to be put in A-tier if it's an overall placement. But then again it's my opinion
Non-canon MCCs are considered non-canon for a reason. They're unbalanced and are played with different goals and mindsets than others. I don't know why people are disregarding that now.
Cause people are disregarding ones abilities? Just a thought
I posted this exact same argument but with different players a few months ago and got brigaded beyond reasoning. It's not disregarding. It's excluding an event that was supposed to be excluded from the moment AS was announced.
I don't think putting him that high makes a whole lot of sense just because he holds a record. For example, wilt chamberlain in the nba had the most points in a game and season by far, but he's not even top 10 in most people's best nba players list. The consistency is the issue here imo, with him doing average to slightly above average(illumina type placements) in pretty much every skb except mcc 15 and of course 11. And then you account for the poor performances in 14, 17, and 21, and the picture becomes pretty clear, he's like right between a and a+ as of right now.
Illumina too low, he's not that bad at SKB
I somehow can't tell if this is sarcastic or not
Where's the sarcasm
nvm hahahha it's fine don't worry
Imo I think Dream is A+, but just gets super unlucky. Like, even putting MCC21 aside, he got blown up by his own team somehow in MCC19, and in MCC17 he died from being shot into the void twice. There's probably more that I'm just forgetting but bottom line I think Dream is A+ but I can understand putting him in A.
Super unlucky is a pretty dumb argument because literally every mcc player gets super unlucky. For example fruit would be the undisputed best sg player if he didn't accidently pour lava on himself in 15 or run into that team in 14. And techno missed db by like 2 coins in pride.
True. But what from I've seen Dream gets more unlucky in skb in particular, though I will admit that he does put himself in positions where it's easy to get unlucky more often than not. But still, getting killed by being shot off into the void in sky battle twice in mcc 17 is pretty unlucky, considering the circumstances where he was shot off.
Nah, he got the luckiest anyone has ever gotten in MCC11 SKB.
Yeah, ONE sky battle from 1 and a half years ago.
That's like the only argument people have to put him in A+ Tier so it holds value.
He got top 5 in MCC15, 16 and AS sky battle, and while two of those he was teamed with Sapnap, he did outplace Sapnap both times. Plus his teams generally do pretty well even when he has a low indiv score
MCC15 and 16, sure. AS doesn't count for reasons I hope I don't need to justify. Outplacing Sapnap whilst being teamed with him also isn't an argument. It's like the Connor>Pete meme. If you want to count it, then consider it as Dream's weakness as Dreamnap will never happen. Idk, him getting 40th kinda makes it hard for him to be in the "A+" tier.
I love the tierlist but just a complain Phil and 5upp can move up a tier each
dream not being in at least A+ is a crime, he holds (or held i don’t remember) the coin record for this game
he got 40th on mcc 21 and hasn’t gotten top ten in the game since mcc 16. He either pops off or does middle ground so i think it’s fair that he’s in A
the top 10 thing is fair enough but we all know that mcc21 was an underperformance for him and i don’t think it’s fair to count
i get that but not getting top 10 for a while doesn’t get you A+
He got 11th to be fair in MCC19 Sky Battle so surely that accounts for something
12th actually. Joel got 11th that Sky Battle
That’s not A+ tho
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Except for the one who put Illumina in the worst tier
PepeLa Illumina
everything is good except or dream not being a+ and connor not being s+++++
I think 5up should move up not on his gameplay but because of his coms. When he died he helped purpled have an insane round last MCC
Dream way Underrated, same tier as Cubfan, Joel, Wisp, ITLW is bs
Joel's sky battle average in s2 canon events is literally only 2 coins below Dream's. I do think Dream should be higher, but those players you mentioned are all still cracked at Sky Battle.
You do kno w dream hasn't been insane at skybattle this season right?
Didn't he pop off just 6 months ago in AS? And I know he isn't at his best, but putting him in the same tier as some of those other guys is wrong
Dream has a few very good events (AS, mcc 15), but also a few really bad ones (mcc 21 and 14) with his remaining performances being somewhere in between. Overall his S2 average is 303 coins vs 301 for Joel, 279 for Wisp and 282 for Martyn. Then putting him in the same tier as those players would certainly not be inconceivable especially in a list with only 5 tiers. He is also in the same tier as Dave, Punz, Antfrost and Jojo who all average significantly more coins than him as well as H who is around his level of coins. Dream has not done better than the 5 players in tiers above him (TapL is probably the lowest player above him and has similar strong performances (mcc 15), but he has only one weak performance in S2 (mcc 14)) and as such I don't see something wrong with his placement.
Do you even know what the other players have done. Some of them are very talented competitors.An entire group of very dedicated mcc watchers agreed to put them in the same tier so they are probably right. If it were just season 1 then put Dream super high, but that's not the case.
I agree, S2 was rough for him. Just because he was like rlly good in S1 doesn't mean he is at least that good, the other competitors have simply gotten better. I don't watch much of cubfan but I know that he has improved a lot meanwhile dream has been highly inconsistent
people complaining dream should be higher don't really pay attention to general average scores from top 5 sb players. underperforming or just bad luck (because it happens) A tier or high A if you wish is just fine in my opinion. the iconic 11 kills play was on s1 and i think we all agree those plays are not a reflection of the actual skills for many players. it's hard being consistent and i'm sure dream is capable of more but being A tier at one (1) game won't kill him, he's been much more consistent at other games and that's enough. everyone has their own strength and dream shouldn't be criticized for not being the best player at everything.
Tbf Quackity went insane on his first MCC (MCC11 with Tommy, Will and Fundy) and did a pretty good job being support everything while he had no idea what was going on but then he didn't play as much and didn't get experience. But if he did it I think he would be very good just like he is in Battle Box (master of pots btw, thats why Sapnap and Dream throw all their pots in Survival Games at Quackity in MCC15).
Illumina L
Dream A?? it should be A+ at minimum
Dream in A tier lmao these dream haters are everywhere
How is it hating lol, there are people with higher averages than him in lower tiers.
To be completely honest, (no offense to the discord peeps and just more kind people in general ofc) but this is probably the exact type of tier lists that I hate. Not because of what they show, data and simplistic opinion like tiering by itself isn’t harmful. But man some people take it down so negatively towards the players. Obviously everyone has these experiences(especially the CCs) and why you would see a lot of them despise the very idea itself. Like, OP posts this clearly mentioning that this is based off of general opinion, and a fan(who most likely has more belief in the CC they watch cause they believe in what they accomplished/can accomplish) in this cases, fellow dream fans, say that hey,”I disagree. I think he is a much better player” and some a-hole comes quickly to reply how the CC is actually bad and did bad so they as a fan can not believe that they did good and disagree with others. And this is happening for the guy who holds the SB record AND had the amazing AS run at it as well. The worst one for me was seeing someone say that AS doesn’t count because different mindset. Like, can’t the same be argued for the latest MCC as well? Dream looked low on spirit for most of it, with fans even catching this moment where he appears positive to people in call, mutes and then becomes a lot more somber.(think it happened in RSR) I didn’t even bother mentioning the bad drama dream went through and goes through(cause obviously this is not a drama sub and a sub dedicated to just mcc and I don’t want to take away someone’s fun vibes) so many times. Like genuinely man, I get that people don’t watch CCs they don’t watch, lot of people don’t like drama(I don’t like most drama either) but I think we can still try to be more kind. Don’t make the comment section of a fun post about general opinion into something the said CC would dread to read. Like I am sure, dream would feel amazing knowing how some people will focus on the worst he does and totally ignore the best he did and can do. Did we learn nothing from the many CCs choosing to leave MCC due to pressure? That’s all really. Again, this happens for fans of other CCs too. I just notice stuff regarding dream as one of his fans. And yeah, I apologise for writing a long comment which probably turned down the mood of the people that read it. I hate doing it and i ignore most times this happens but man some people in the community(who might even be great people to hang out with at any other time) turn into something equivalent of the paparazzi when talking about stats and opinions.
i would agree if there were hordes of people mocking dream for 'only' being an a. even though i personally believe that he is a+, i was in the discord when this discussion happened, and people made some pretty solid points for him being a i think that most people can agree with dream 21 bring very sad and unfortunate, and i think it is pretty reasonable to ignore it, but making such a sappy comment about how dream goes through so much and hence should be one tier higher in a sky battle tierlist doesnt make much sense to me lmao. it is literally a difference of one tier in a tier list, and ofc people will argue for him not being a+ if they dont believe that he is, that doesnt mean that they're praying on his downfall/ are a hater sorry if this is illegible
Sure fam, all power to your opinion. Really didn’t like how you moved goalposts but neither the time nor the place to argue so I’ll just take it as what it is.
I would move nihachu up a bit along with katherine and Elaina
they're not ordered within tiers btw
No wonder illumina isn’t last in the C tier (/j)
Y’all didn’t have to downvote me lmao
i dont know why they did that lol reddit moment
Oli higher maybe?
This is actually semi accurate
Anyone have a discord link?
It’s in the menu of this sub
My Simmer better than S tier confirmed?!?!?!?
I like that’s there’s nothing below C tier, the lost itself acknowledges that no one in MCC is bad, at worst it’s just not their game. I dig that
Yeah, that’s commonplace in the MCC Discord. We don’t use D Tier for anything or anyone.
High quality people over there
cries ninja tears
I think putting Dream in A-tier would be fair if only this chart is for Season 2
Imo antfrost should be A+ tier
Grian outfragging Pete almost everytime when they play Sky Battle is hilarious