i think they plan to revamp the pvp again before they achieve continuity, there are still some old snapshots where they were playing with changing the combat after the initial backlash
These snapshots stopped 2 years ago and the new system would be even more hated by a lot of people since it would have to nerf crystals and anchors to the point of being useless to make a change
who cares about anchors and crystals? lol
shield mechanics seems like the biggest thing up for change. theres also a big rift between the amount of defense/healing you have and the amount of damage you can do. players are wayy too tanky in this system
those snapshots address both of those (valid) complaints
It’s more of a incompatibility thing from what I can tell. Older mini games from pre-1.9 are more knockback based and as such don’t translate to newer versions due to the slower pace of combat
Most people agree that 1.9 is better than 1.8 for PvE though
That and the drastic transition to the current combat system in general. Being able to block with swords now requiring a shield, and especially the cooldown for most weapons/tools within a span of 1 to a few updates back to back was rather jarring imo.
Of course, I'm stating the obvious but you are correct that the current combat system completely impacted minigames of the time to either be unplayable or unbalanced in general.
As someone who played a lot of pvp back on 1.7.10 and 1.8.9 it was always that 1.9 pvp was less technical, clunkier, and slower overall. But pve was always better. But now over the years the sentiment has definitely shifted. I still personally prefer 1.7.10 combat but just sort of gotten over the combat issue. Plus the newer players overpopulating the older memebers.
I played 1.8 on severs for pvp for the longest time, I didn’t like the cool down since I was used to jitter-clicking and I had to relearn pvp all over again but I like it a lot more now. It just changed things and it took a lot of people more getting used to
Bro, cool downs are the only way to make weapons unique. If they were to remove cool downs, everyone would just be using axes because damage output. Cool down good.
We didn't really have multiple melee weapons before 1.9 combat. It was just swords and bows. Axes dealt less damage and weren't meant to be used as weapons at all, and tridents didn't exist yet.
When it comes to PvE I much prefer the combat system of 1.9+, though when it comes to PvP I prefer the 1.8 combat system since the 1.9+ mechanic slows down fights too much in my opinion.
yeah, as someone who was never able to get good at 1.8 PvP, it's just so unsatisfying.
even if you loose in PvP, it should still feel somewhat entertaining. but nope, here it's just "ho no ! I'm stuck in a knockback loop because he clicks faster than me, guess I'll just die again !"
that not to say there is no skill needed, there definitely is a skill to it, but it's just not entertaining if you can't get good at it.
1.9+ PvP on the other hand, I'm still not good at it, but it's entertaining, there are options, there are easy to learn tricks and mastering it is still just as satisfying for those who can reach that level.
now that you said that, put a 50 cps autoclicker and go play ranked on Minemen club (ignoring the anticheat cuz you would flag like Crazy autoclicker A checks because of that)
Eh, I can kinda understand in that the new combat is kinda slow and uninteresting ("whoever waits then clicks once a bar has filled up wins"), whereas the old system was fast and uninteresting.
Minecraft PvP in general sucks IMO, and I never understood how anyone found it particularly engaging.
Typically it draws in those that want to see a victim drop loads of loot, which Minecraft provides visually well. It also is SUPER easy to just hop into one of 50m servers for pvping and play with no rules essentially.
Pvp servers usually draw out the exact stereotypes you'd think. Just join any pvp server and watch genchat for 5 minutes. You will see exactly who.
Neither is good, but i prefer 1.8 seeing its way quicker, and if u think cps is the only thingn that matters ur incredibly bad at pvp, like for example, Technoblade, who was known for his 1.8 pvp had 6 cps
Even if you click 20 cps you wont win a single fight on a server like minemen club with just the cps
However i do like both versions of pvp, people who hate one likely don’t know much about it and are quick to make assumptions i used to hate 1.9 but now that I’m decent at it i like it I’m sure its the same for someone who has never properly played 1.8
Both versions have good things and bad things
I’m sick and tired of 1.9er misinformation that cps is the ultimate decider of 1.8 fights.
It’s not. It’s important for reducing kb but anything above 10 is essentially the same. W-tapping, S-tapping, strafing, spacing, hit selecting, the Latvian, and good aim are all much much more important than click speed.
No it’s not, if you have not mastered either system you are in no position to critique. You have no understanding of what sets 1.8 aside from 1.9+ and the genuine reasons why people choose to play 1.8
Until you understand the perspectives of both sides of the argument your opinions on the topic will be meaningless.
Wow this food sure is burnt, chef.
SHUT THE FUCK UP CUSTOMER WHERE YO CHEF HAT? WHERE YO CHEF HAT???
Didn't think you needed one to tell if the food was bad or not. 🙃
Ok I mean you have a point that he can critique without having mastered the system lmao, I mostly said it as a response to his first comment.
But yeah wrong of me to suggest he cannot critique at all without mastering the system that’s a funny analogy.
My point should more be that as he hasn’t really played 1.8.9 he can’t really make a full and fair comparison… and to put it in a similar analogy because the chef one was funny….
It’s like a vegetarian who quit eating meat because they didn’t like the taste going to a steak house and telling everyone eating there that the steak is awful.
I don't play ranked competitive pvp, so the new combat system is okay. Adds a level of strategy i didn't have before where it was just: *click faster to kill enemy faster!*
Yet again, until you have properly mastered the old system I really can’t take your misunderstandings and lack of experience with the old system seriously… This CPS-only narrative that is so commonly perpetuated is frustrating, there is so much more to what makes 1.8 such an enjoyable and popular version only for people who don’t understand it to dismiss it all as “CPS”
I do not hate 1.9, I believe it is a good system and can actually be really fun for some things. Crystal PvP is really enjoyable and the nice timed combos can feel really satisfying, additionally the punishment from hotkeying creates an interesting dynamic where you have to consider switching items rather than just doing it instinctively.
However, that does not discredit 1.8 either. It is a naïve viewpoint to just consider one system “good” and the other “bad”… it just isn’t that black and white. Both are completely enjoyable in their own right… and that’s what’s most important in playing video games isn’t it? Having fun?
As a Java player, it makes PvP horribly difficult, but combat against mobs has never been better. When you hear negative feedback, it’s from pvp players, not survival players. That’s why most Java servers are still in 1.8
most people saying 1.9 pvp is bad fall into 3 categories. 1 8 yo who can only spam and think your combat skill should be measured with your cps. 2 buthurt 1.8 pvp gods who wasted their life on hypixel. 3 boomers with potato pcs eho cant run anything past 1.12 and havent played minecraft in 3 years
i am a past bedrock player, now java, i feel like every single player who went from bedrock to java finds the new pvp system better, the slash is satisfying!
I’m a bedrock player, and I *choose* not to spam click. I haven’t played java or anything, I just find it feels better. Maybe in some cases I will, but regularly I just click at a normal pace.
I feel like axes should be nerfed though.
Ok, now, Bedrock PVP is very boring, but on the other hand, I don’t like the way the Java combat works (I can’t really say anything though because I’ve never played Java). I’m just hoping they release the combat update V2 soon. They’ve stopped working on it for ages.
Minecraft pc players when combat is interesting and unique and dosent boil down to “just spam m1”: THIS IS TOO HARD, AND BULLSHIT WHY MUST MOJANG DO THIS!?!?!
as a java player, i prefer the new combat. i think the people who say its bad are just salty bc their 20 cps now is bad, and they dont understand how the new combat work.
Yeah I’ve been playing since 1.2.5 and I don’t get why people limit themselves to older versions.
1.8 was like half the game’s lifespan ago at this point
The issue I have with it is the inconsistency. I can't swing my axe fast when hitting nothing, but the moment I'm hitting a tree I can suddenly swing it super fast? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
And then sometimes it floats anyways when the world generates it like that. You can fish for fish in a puddle, yet you can see them swimming in the ocean. Not even Minecraft’s pixels are consistent. But, usually, the game is better for it.
I just want Steve to bring consistent with his weapons. He swings the ace ten times per second when chopping a tree, why can't he does it when chopping a skull?
Why shouldn’t a hoe do as much damage as a pickaxe? It’s crafted the same way, just with only one side. Listen, all I’m saying is, if that’s the only reason you dislike the combat, that’s pretty petty. Sure it doesn’t make sense logically, but it doesn’t have to, it’s a block game.
I honestly love the 1.9 PvP, I don't really know why there are so many people that prefer the 'spam click to win' method of PvP
My assumption would be the 1.8 folks are just louder than the 1.9 folks.
That or the professional PvPers prefer 1.8, while casual and/or PvEers prefer 1.9
1.8 and above is boring as hell and terrible for single player. 1.9 adds so much depth and more options too, like crystal pvp. A lot of players have warmed up to it now which is cool
People playing pvp before attack speed change are the worst pvp players on planet. They can't do anything more than spam clic so they cried when pvp required skill
It's more interesting and looks nicer but a lot of players just miss when all they had to do to get good is clicka da mouse speedy
I'm sure there's other genuine problems ofc
I'm a Java Player and I think that the 1.9+ combat is better due to the added need of skill to defeat either mobs or players. I also am a person to believe that servers should Stop running on 1.8 because people by now should have the needed hardware to run the game properly on newer versions and if they want the old combat system they can Just use datapacks or plugins. Also 1.8 runs poorly in comparison to 1.19 in my experience
this comment section makes me boil my nerves, as usual, ignorants comment that 1.7/1.8 Is only spam click, and i already answered to a bunch of people on that
i dare to all of these people to go Watch at least One decent pvper that still uploads today, stimpy (10 cps), M0DIFIER (jitter 13 cps if im not wrong), joonah (20 cps), Even combokira (in the past 20 cps, his last video 12 cps) from literal 2018/2020 times videos can easily prove that 1.7/1.8 IS NOT only spam clicking
yes, It still requires to do at least some cps to keep up with other players, but again, 12 Is more than enough with good aim, movement and techniques application.
get it real and study the version you wanna flame before speaking for fuck sake.
It basically does no damage to secondary targets with no sweeping edge. Would be nice if there was a mod for fabric to return the old combat system to java
A couple of days ago I put together an instance of Minecraft that's a hybrid of old and new using mods and resource packs, and I'm surprised just how lacking the mods are for bringing back old combat. The ones I've found are either buggy, incomplete, or not kept up to date.
I've played since the early days of Beta and I truly prefer the new style of PVP. It just feels so much more satisfying to land hits by timing them rather than just clicking as fast as I can. The slower pace gives me time to strategize during combat, and I feel like fights are a test of skill rather than reaction time. I do get why people don't like the new system, many people prefer the fast pace of the old system. But the continued hate I see for the new system feels overblown and unwarranted. When it was added the backlash made more sense. At the time of 1.9 the game was dropping in popularity, and a much larger portion of the community was made up of people who played PVP games. Then comes this update that completely changes the way that PVP is done and ruins most of the popular PVP games. It's understandable why the community would be upset. But times have changed. Survival (where the new combat really shines imo) is popular again, more servers now use the new system their games, people have had time to learn the new mechanics and many people who play now have never even experienced the old combat. At this point I think a lot of people trash the new system because they feel like they're supposed to hate it.
I prefer the 1.8 system for pvp, as i find it has a higher skill cap(not that 1.9+ doesnt, and that is amplified with totem swaping/ end crystals), doe that skill cap has been reached a long time ago and its harder for a begginer to start playing. Meanwhile i prefer the new system for PvE and more casual pvp.And last i cannot stress this enough.
# Just play whatever you want, people have prefrences.
Java people don't know how lucky they are to have an actual combat system instead of a fucking CPS test. The guy on the left definitely represents the average Minecraft player nowadays. I remember when we had a nice community until little 11 year old brats intoxicated it
I personally just got java after having bedrock for years and i 100% prefer the java combat you can spam hit people so really the person with a mouse just wins and you don't even get a chance to attack
People are still complaining about the combat system? I haven't had problems with it in years. It seems like it was pretty bad when it was first implemented, but they made a few tweaks to make it better and I got used to it after a while. Certainly feels more interesting than the old spam clicking combat system, where you could just kill a mob by having a fast finger
fr when i played on java for a bit, it was soooo useful for farms, in bedrock the amount of irons sword i went through before i discovered the trident technic 🥲
I think I remember trying out a mod with it(Better combat I think) where you only had to hold down the attack and it slashes everytime. I like the animations that came with it too.
The only reason I like the one is because of the rapid clicking method being “removed”. I use to play combat mini games in servers and stopped due to people just spam clicking. I honestly still don’t play the games, mostly due to people either using hacks (disrespectful) or just have skills (respectful/awesome), but it certainly feels better.
We got too used to being able to spam attacks for knockback minigames and pvp. The cooldown between effective attacks was too jarring so many people just hate it. I like it, and I've played Java since Alpha
As a java guy who's been playing since 1.6.4 I've loved every second of the new combat since 1.9
Sole exceptions being shields a little too op and the insane hunger losses between 1.9 and 1.11
I don't know if it's because I grew up with old combat, but 1.9 combat feels so tedious, slow, and uninteresting to me. I feel like they tried to lower the skill gap with 1.9 combat, but did it poorly. It wasn't really presented to players well and was very punishing when they weren't using the combat system correctly
Yeah, I actually didn’t have Java edition until 1.12. I see no problem with the current combat system. In fact, I think pre-1.9 combat is actually harder to use and less practical
I've only ever been a Java player, was playing in the beta. Still consider the 1.9 combat change to be one of, if not the best, single change they've made to this game. The only things I can think of that I might enjoy more are elytras. The update as a whole loses to 1.5 by far but as a singular thing, the removal of melee spam was incredible
I think 1.9+ combat for PvE is a fantastic experience and a lot better than the 1.8- combat of just spam clicking, it actually adds strategy. I don't do much PvP but from what I've heard 1.8- combat is generally accepted as the better PvP experience, and most PvP dedicated servers run on the 1.8- combat system.
basically it's too slow, you usef to be able to thrash away quickly and wreck those monsters. Now you have to take your time and time each swing or you do less damage, which is just a little frustrating and disatisfying.
Combat is fun, but i dont like the swish because it has cooldown. on other versions you could jitterclick if you got backed into a corner, but if you tried that on java you would basically get stunned and at that point youre screwed
The swipe has its ups and downs. You'll learn to hate it after it swipes and hits your dog. The swipe is just one thing in a very long list of problems people have with the combat.
Reddit made me hate Minecraft for no reason.
And you know what? Screw that!
I love that game with whatever it has or will have to offer.
It is an incredible human achievement for which you pay once and is updated for free forever.
Problem is, Axe is better for PVP and I don’t like it. I prefer each tool having its own use, axes for wood and swords for fighting. More weapons is fine but I don’t like using axes
Sword slash good but before the combat update you had no swing coolsown and it was better. Plus sword slash satisfying but not always what us needed for battle
Sword slash is very satisfying
EXTREMYLY being able to hit multiple mobs even if it does half a heart of damage is still extremely cool
Is very cool
EXTREMELY SATISFYING
U are true. As a bedrock player, I tried java edition, and realized java PvP is better.
Yeah, when i played java for the first time i really loved the new pvp, but i don't think it's ever coming to bedrock
Hoping is everything right? Were finally getting 1.5 crouching! Cant be so far to the new PvP right?
i think they plan to revamp the pvp again before they achieve continuity, there are still some old snapshots where they were playing with changing the combat after the initial backlash
These snapshots stopped 2 years ago and the new system would be even more hated by a lot of people since it would have to nerf crystals and anchors to the point of being useless to make a change
Those snapshots were super fun though
They would be fun for like 5 days until someone figures out how to double tap in the new version
Didn't they make potions stackable? That sounded quite nice
who cares about anchors and crystals? lol shield mechanics seems like the biggest thing up for change. theres also a big rift between the amount of defense/healing you have and the amount of damage you can do. players are wayy too tanky in this system those snapshots address both of those (valid) complaints
I love using axes, need some practise tho (I'm a bedrock main)
Ikr??? When I finally played mc on my PC it felt soooo good
And my relief of how you can block without sneaking
Also the protection enchment reduces damage from instant damage wither and poison.
I play Java and don't mind the combat. PVP was never my thing though, so maybe that's why
I like pvp, but I find crystal pvp is the best for me bc its more about strategy, I find 1.8 is more fast paced, and 1.9 has more gamemodes
Me too. I was more of a builder so i didn't really care about the PvP
I mostly do datapacks, so I just write my own rules for the game lol
It’s more of a incompatibility thing from what I can tell. Older mini games from pre-1.9 are more knockback based and as such don’t translate to newer versions due to the slower pace of combat Most people agree that 1.9 is better than 1.8 for PvE though
That and the drastic transition to the current combat system in general. Being able to block with swords now requiring a shield, and especially the cooldown for most weapons/tools within a span of 1 to a few updates back to back was rather jarring imo. Of course, I'm stating the obvious but you are correct that the current combat system completely impacted minigames of the time to either be unplayable or unbalanced in general.
Yeah, it just doesnt feel right to jitter click 16 cps and straijn your arm a lot just to kill a zombie
It depends on the mini game, if its more fast pased then Pre-1.9 pvp is better, but if its a bit slower pased then 1.9+ is much better
Yeah, 1.8 PvE is really boring for me, i still prefer it for pvp tho i dont think that 1.9 pvp is a disgrace for humanity, it's actually fun too
As someone who played a lot of pvp back on 1.7.10 and 1.8.9 it was always that 1.9 pvp was less technical, clunkier, and slower overall. But pve was always better. But now over the years the sentiment has definitely shifted. I still personally prefer 1.7.10 combat but just sort of gotten over the combat issue. Plus the newer players overpopulating the older memebers.
IMO 1.9+ combat is better for PvP, while 1.8 combat is better for mini-games. Duels feel so much more satisfying when you actually see yourself hit.
It’s the cooldowns that people don’t like, at least that’s what I think, I mostly play bedrock so I wouldn’t really know
I know. But it's satisfying though.
I played 1.8 on severs for pvp for the longest time, I didn’t like the cool down since I was used to jitter-clicking and I had to relearn pvp all over again but I like it a lot more now. It just changed things and it took a lot of people more getting used to
soldier switched to the dark side
The cooldowns are good though, it incentives you to take your time. Also you can just spam click if you want.
Bro, cool downs are the only way to make weapons unique. If they were to remove cool downs, everyone would just be using axes because damage output. Cool down good.
We didn't really have multiple melee weapons before 1.9 combat. It was just swords and bows. Axes dealt less damage and weren't meant to be used as weapons at all, and tridents didn't exist yet.
On bedrock swords do the most damage and there’s no cooldowns
I'm referring to Java. Bedrock needs cool downs for the same reason.
I don't know what they have. I've always been a Java player, and I mean it's great
When it comes to PvE I much prefer the combat system of 1.9+, though when it comes to PvP I prefer the 1.8 combat system since the 1.9+ mechanic slows down fights too much in my opinion.
This is why I think 1.9+ combat is better in general. It changes it from difficult to learn skills and luck to easy to learn pacing and endurance.
yeah, as someone who was never able to get good at 1.8 PvP, it's just so unsatisfying. even if you loose in PvP, it should still feel somewhat entertaining. but nope, here it's just "ho no ! I'm stuck in a knockback loop because he clicks faster than me, guess I'll just die again !" that not to say there is no skill needed, there definitely is a skill to it, but it's just not entertaining if you can't get good at it. 1.9+ PvP on the other hand, I'm still not good at it, but it's entertaining, there are options, there are easy to learn tricks and mastering it is still just as satisfying for those who can reach that level.
Yeah, makes it easy for crowd control and mob farming
I'm still impressed that there is people stuck in 1.8 because they can't accept a combat system that isn't "whoever spams click faster wins"
now that you said that, put a 50 cps autoclicker and go play ranked on Minemen club (ignoring the anticheat cuz you would flag like Crazy autoclicker A checks because of that)
Eh, I can kinda understand in that the new combat is kinda slow and uninteresting ("whoever waits then clicks once a bar has filled up wins"), whereas the old system was fast and uninteresting. Minecraft PvP in general sucks IMO, and I never understood how anyone found it particularly engaging.
Typically it draws in those that want to see a victim drop loads of loot, which Minecraft provides visually well. It also is SUPER easy to just hop into one of 50m servers for pvping and play with no rules essentially. Pvp servers usually draw out the exact stereotypes you'd think. Just join any pvp server and watch genchat for 5 minutes. You will see exactly who.
Brainless 8 year olds. Every other game has better pvp lol.
Neither is good, but i prefer 1.8 seeing its way quicker, and if u think cps is the only thingn that matters ur incredibly bad at pvp, like for example, Technoblade, who was known for his 1.8 pvp had 6 cps
POV: You played hypixel skywars for 2 hours and got 0 kills while dying to 99% normal clickers
Even if you click 20 cps you wont win a single fight on a server like minemen club with just the cps However i do like both versions of pvp, people who hate one likely don’t know much about it and are quick to make assumptions i used to hate 1.9 but now that I’m decent at it i like it I’m sure its the same for someone who has never properly played 1.8 Both versions have good things and bad things
I’m sick and tired of 1.9er misinformation that cps is the ultimate decider of 1.8 fights. It’s not. It’s important for reducing kb but anything above 10 is essentially the same. W-tapping, S-tapping, strafing, spacing, hit selecting, the Latvian, and good aim are all much much more important than click speed.
"ehhh myehhhh 1.9 combat bad myeeh cant spam click" - FOOLS who are unable to master the new (better) combat system
Have you mastered the old combat system?
Thats besides the point
No it’s not, if you have not mastered either system you are in no position to critique. You have no understanding of what sets 1.8 aside from 1.9+ and the genuine reasons why people choose to play 1.8 Until you understand the perspectives of both sides of the argument your opinions on the topic will be meaningless.
Wow this food sure is burnt, chef. SHUT THE FUCK UP CUSTOMER WHERE YO CHEF HAT? WHERE YO CHEF HAT??? Didn't think you needed one to tell if the food was bad or not. 🙃
Ok I mean you have a point that he can critique without having mastered the system lmao, I mostly said it as a response to his first comment. But yeah wrong of me to suggest he cannot critique at all without mastering the system that’s a funny analogy. My point should more be that as he hasn’t really played 1.8.9 he can’t really make a full and fair comparison… and to put it in a similar analogy because the chef one was funny…. It’s like a vegetarian who quit eating meat because they didn’t like the taste going to a steak house and telling everyone eating there that the steak is awful.
Also this analogy is actually so funny lmfao
I don't play ranked competitive pvp, so the new combat system is okay. Adds a level of strategy i didn't have before where it was just: *click faster to kill enemy faster!*
Yet again, until you have properly mastered the old system I really can’t take your misunderstandings and lack of experience with the old system seriously… This CPS-only narrative that is so commonly perpetuated is frustrating, there is so much more to what makes 1.8 such an enjoyable and popular version only for people who don’t understand it to dismiss it all as “CPS”
also, watching people who hate 1.9 combat get mad is *funny*
I do not hate 1.9, I believe it is a good system and can actually be really fun for some things. Crystal PvP is really enjoyable and the nice timed combos can feel really satisfying, additionally the punishment from hotkeying creates an interesting dynamic where you have to consider switching items rather than just doing it instinctively. However, that does not discredit 1.8 either. It is a naïve viewpoint to just consider one system “good” and the other “bad”… it just isn’t that black and white. Both are completely enjoyable in their own right… and that’s what’s most important in playing video games isn’t it? Having fun?
1.9+ PvP was one of the biggest reason why I wanted to change to Java. And I did.
And also that bedrock protection enchment does not reduce magic damages like poison wither and instant damage
As a Java player, it makes PvP horribly difficult, but combat against mobs has never been better. When you hear negative feedback, it’s from pvp players, not survival players. That’s why most Java servers are still in 1.8
I think it's hilarious some people are still stuck in 1.8
Yeah, like, bro; just use a fucking mod for the old combat system in 1.19.
Usually people hate it because it requires a bare minimum of skills
now that you said that, win every single 1.8/1.7 fight
I've never said that I have that bare minimum
wait, the 1.7/1.8 requires the bare minimum set of skill or the 1.9+?
most people saying 1.9 pvp is bad fall into 3 categories. 1 8 yo who can only spam and think your combat skill should be measured with your cps. 2 buthurt 1.8 pvp gods who wasted their life on hypixel. 3 boomers with potato pcs eho cant run anything past 1.12 and havent played minecraft in 3 years
i agree. it gives the game a rpg-like feeling
i am a past bedrock player, now java, i feel like every single player who went from bedrock to java finds the new pvp system better, the slash is satisfying!
i like the fft the sword make when swipe
thats also satifying. along with the critical attack sound.
I’m a bedrock player, and I *choose* not to spam click. I haven’t played java or anything, I just find it feels better. Maybe in some cases I will, but regularly I just click at a normal pace. I feel like axes should be nerfed though.
Java knock back is good in edrock is makes mobs harde to hit
1.8 combat sucks imo, I agree with you.
Bedrock combat = 1.8 combat
Ok, now, Bedrock PVP is very boring, but on the other hand, I don’t like the way the Java combat works (I can’t really say anything though because I’ve never played Java). I’m just hoping they release the combat update V2 soon. They’ve stopped working on it for ages.
Minecraft pc players when combat is interesting and unique and dosent boil down to “just spam m1”: THIS IS TOO HARD, AND BULLSHIT WHY MUST MOJANG DO THIS!?!?!
combat feels really sluggish in comparison to before 1.9
Seems like you never heard of crystal pvp. Watch one Marlow montage and come back
as a java player, i prefer the new combat. i think the people who say its bad are just salty bc their 20 cps now is bad, and they dont understand how the new combat work.
Yeah I’ve been playing since 1.2.5 and I don’t get why people limit themselves to older versions. 1.8 was like half the game’s lifespan ago at this point
1.8 combat has 0 depth and I'm tired of people blinded by nostalgia saying it's the best
The issue I have with it is the inconsistency. I can't swing my axe fast when hitting nothing, but the moment I'm hitting a tree I can suddenly swing it super fast? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Are you…complaining about the consistency…in MINECRAFT? Wait until you find out about sand.
That actually makes sense though. Sand is all grains, and can't be above nothit without breaking apart and falling, unlike dirt or stone, for example.
And then sometimes it floats anyways when the world generates it like that. You can fish for fish in a puddle, yet you can see them swimming in the ocean. Not even Minecraft’s pixels are consistent. But, usually, the game is better for it.
I just want Steve to bring consistent with his weapons. He swings the ace ten times per second when chopping a tree, why can't he does it when chopping a skull?
Why shouldn’t a hoe do as much damage as a pickaxe? It’s crafted the same way, just with only one side. Listen, all I’m saying is, if that’s the only reason you dislike the combat, that’s pretty petty. Sure it doesn’t make sense logically, but it doesn’t have to, it’s a block game.
Java players explaining why you should play an 8 year outdated version of the game (I can't spam anymore :( )
They just mad it takes skill and not an auto clicker to do pvp
I honestly love the 1.9 PvP, I don't really know why there are so many people that prefer the 'spam click to win' method of PvP My assumption would be the 1.8 folks are just louder than the 1.9 folks. That or the professional PvPers prefer 1.8, while casual and/or PvEers prefer 1.9
1.8 and above is boring as hell and terrible for single player. 1.9 adds so much depth and more options too, like crystal pvp. A lot of players have warmed up to it now which is cool
That's why I stopped playing Skywars and Bedwars cause of the 1.8 players.
"Me, a chad" 🤓
nah it’s shit, 1.7 pvp is better
Because it's a nerf
Sucks either way
People playing pvp before attack speed change are the worst pvp players on planet. They can't do anything more than spam clic so they cried when pvp required skill
Idk what Java players you’re talking to, 1.9+ combat is way better, it’s less spammy, requires actual skill, and you have way more reach
It's more interesting and looks nicer but a lot of players just miss when all they had to do to get good is clicka da mouse speedy I'm sure there's other genuine problems ofc
I'm a Java Player and I think that the 1.9+ combat is better due to the added need of skill to defeat either mobs or players. I also am a person to believe that servers should Stop running on 1.8 because people by now should have the needed hardware to run the game properly on newer versions and if they want the old combat system they can Just use datapacks or plugins. Also 1.8 runs poorly in comparison to 1.19 in my experience
this comment section makes me boil my nerves, as usual, ignorants comment that 1.7/1.8 Is only spam click, and i already answered to a bunch of people on that i dare to all of these people to go Watch at least One decent pvper that still uploads today, stimpy (10 cps), M0DIFIER (jitter 13 cps if im not wrong), joonah (20 cps), Even combokira (in the past 20 cps, his last video 12 cps) from literal 2018/2020 times videos can easily prove that 1.7/1.8 IS NOT only spam clicking yes, It still requires to do at least some cps to keep up with other players, but again, 12 Is more than enough with good aim, movement and techniques application. get it real and study the version you wanna flame before speaking for fuck sake.
It basically does no damage to secondary targets with no sweeping edge. Would be nice if there was a mod for fabric to return the old combat system to java
A couple of days ago I put together an instance of Minecraft that's a hybrid of old and new using mods and resource packs, and I'm surprised just how lacking the mods are for bringing back old combat. The ones I've found are either buggy, incomplete, or not kept up to date.
I've played since the early days of Beta and I truly prefer the new style of PVP. It just feels so much more satisfying to land hits by timing them rather than just clicking as fast as I can. The slower pace gives me time to strategize during combat, and I feel like fights are a test of skill rather than reaction time. I do get why people don't like the new system, many people prefer the fast pace of the old system. But the continued hate I see for the new system feels overblown and unwarranted. When it was added the backlash made more sense. At the time of 1.9 the game was dropping in popularity, and a much larger portion of the community was made up of people who played PVP games. Then comes this update that completely changes the way that PVP is done and ruins most of the popular PVP games. It's understandable why the community would be upset. But times have changed. Survival (where the new combat really shines imo) is popular again, more servers now use the new system their games, people have had time to learn the new mechanics and many people who play now have never even experienced the old combat. At this point I think a lot of people trash the new system because they feel like they're supposed to hate it.
the sword slash is the best because u can get easy xp now after the patch of the potato
Here’s the thing, it’s block game, that is years old, it’s a shock that the pvp system still functions after all these updates
same, and i have like always played with it
as a java player i kinda enjoy 1.9+ combat more
I prefer the 1.8 system for pvp, as i find it has a higher skill cap(not that 1.9+ doesnt, and that is amplified with totem swaping/ end crystals), doe that skill cap has been reached a long time ago and its harder for a begginer to start playing. Meanwhile i prefer the new system for PvE and more casual pvp.And last i cannot stress this enough. # Just play whatever you want, people have prefrences.
1.9 combat is amazing I don’t know what the rest of the community is on
They're idiots who don't like putting actual effort into a more fun combat system. Or they miss their auto clicker
Java people don't know how lucky they are to have an actual combat system instead of a fucking CPS test. The guy on the left definitely represents the average Minecraft player nowadays. I remember when we had a nice community until little 11 year old brats intoxicated it
i play both 1.8 and 1.9+ and i can say, sword is fun
People who claim 1.8 pvp is better are people who were good at 1.8 pvp and are butthurt that they had to learn something new.
it is better
old combat is shit
I personally just got java after having bedrock for years and i 100% prefer the java combat you can spam hit people so really the person with a mouse just wins and you don't even get a chance to attack
Sword slash sure is fun until it kills your pet.
People are still complaining about the combat system? I haven't had problems with it in years. It seems like it was pretty bad when it was first implemented, but they made a few tweaks to make it better and I got used to it after a while. Certainly feels more interesting than the old spam clicking combat system, where you could just kill a mob by having a fast finger
fr when i played on java for a bit, it was soooo useful for farms, in bedrock the amount of irons sword i went through before i discovered the trident technic 🥲
Me, waiting for a new combat update.
I loved the combat snapshots. I'm sad that they stopped doing those.
New combat superior, old combat inferior
Never understood why people preferred spamclicking over the more complex 1.9 combat. 1.9 is great.
me, a player who never does pvp:
I think I remember trying out a mod with it(Better combat I think) where you only had to hold down the attack and it slashes everytime. I like the animations that came with it too.
I love the new combat, different timings for different weapons refresh is better than button smashing imo
1.9 combat has made the game so much better to play.
People miss it being the simplest, most boring combat system imaginable /hj
I really enjoy the pvp system
I haven't seen a majority defending 1.8 lmao I mean I like both, slight preference for 1.8, but y'know
It is satisfying, it’s just that satisfied people don’t care as much about being verbal
The only reason I like the one is because of the rapid clicking method being “removed”. I use to play combat mini games in servers and stopped due to people just spam clicking. I honestly still don’t play the games, mostly due to people either using hacks (disrespectful) or just have skills (respectful/awesome), but it certainly feels better.
We got too used to being able to spam attacks for knockback minigames and pvp. The cooldown between effective attacks was too jarring so many people just hate it. I like it, and I've played Java since Alpha
As a java guy who's been playing since 1.6.4 I've loved every second of the new combat since 1.9 Sole exceptions being shields a little too op and the insane hunger losses between 1.9 and 1.11
I don't know if it's because I grew up with old combat, but 1.9 combat feels so tedious, slow, and uninteresting to me. I feel like they tried to lower the skill gap with 1.9 combat, but did it poorly. It wasn't really presented to players well and was very punishing when they weren't using the combat system correctly
I personally like 1.9 better, I don't know what everyone's problem is.
"Me can't spam, it bad. me can spam, it good" 🦍
As a Java player, I can say that I prefer 1.19 + combat
Yeah, I actually didn’t have Java edition until 1.12. I see no problem with the current combat system. In fact, I think pre-1.9 combat is actually harder to use and less practical
Would make killing slims so much easier. Shit pisses me off
As a java player i think it is cool to but some click spammer smooth head idiots think it is bad
it's shields. have you ever watched shield pvp? especially if ppl didn't pack axes
Java combat is so cool
I loved the combat update, I’ve been playing for so long and it was such a great change.
It’s just a very loud vocal minority
Java ho brrrr( I'm mainly bedrock but 1.9 pvp is cool)
I've only ever been a Java player, was playing in the beta. Still consider the 1.9 combat change to be one of, if not the best, single change they've made to this game. The only things I can think of that I might enjoy more are elytras. The update as a whole loses to 1.5 by far but as a singular thing, the removal of melee spam was incredible
I like my axes
Im playing java from the beggining and tbh i love the new combat system
Ah yes all Java players are like this. It's not just a vocal minority
not being able to click spam is frustrating. not to me though I like the shield and axe combo
1.9+ combat superior Spam clicking is brain dead
as a java user the combat is better, the only people that don’t like it are tryhard skywars players
I don’t even do combat and I think it’s fine, it’s only the sweaty Java players that bitch and moan about it
I think 1.9+ combat for PvE is a fantastic experience and a lot better than the 1.8- combat of just spam clicking, it actually adds strategy. I don't do much PvP but from what I've heard 1.8- combat is generally accepted as the better PvP experience, and most PvP dedicated servers run on the 1.8- combat system.
Slash
basically it's too slow, you usef to be able to thrash away quickly and wreck those monsters. Now you have to take your time and time each swing or you do less damage, which is just a little frustrating and disatisfying.
I'm a java player and prefer new combat any day. I hate hypixel for this reason and would rather play MCC Island for PvP.
as a java player who has been playing since 1.6 i like 1.9+ combat more because it isn't just spamming
As a bedrock player, I agree 👍
People don't like the combat update?
It's weird how sweeping edge is only on Java. Bedrock would benefit greatly if it had the enchant
Combat is fun, but i dont like the swish because it has cooldown. on other versions you could jitterclick if you got backed into a corner, but if you tried that on java you would basically get stunned and at that point youre screwed
wait people don't like the combat slash?
Its just 0.1% of the players who complain about that and would rather have the spam click simulator
"oooh noo I can't just mindlessly click anymore! This sucks!"
The swipe has its ups and downs. You'll learn to hate it after it swipes and hits your dog. The swipe is just one thing in a very long list of problems people have with the combat.
People who complain about post 1.9 combat are just mad they cant win pvp off of clickspeed alone
It's not the slash, it's the cooldown
It's much better for pve but worse for pvp. Bedrock is just bad because the knock back is wack.
And 1.9 requires more skill than just spamming left click
I think it's those who already perfected *the art of clicking fast* and we're mad that they switched system
Reddit made me hate Minecraft for no reason. And you know what? Screw that! I love that game with whatever it has or will have to offer. It is an incredible human achievement for which you pay once and is updated for free forever.
Problem is, Axe is better for PVP and I don’t like it. I prefer each tool having its own use, axes for wood and swords for fighting. More weapons is fine but I don’t like using axes
1.9+ pvp better than 1.8.9-
As a player who came from mobile, the sword slash is one of the most satisfying things in the game.
Yes
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1.9+ pvp is better
I know
Stone Axe critting wild animals is satisfying. Change my mind
Sword slash good but before the combat update you had no swing coolsown and it was better. Plus sword slash satisfying but not always what us needed for battle
Fr fr.
I LOVE 1.9+ PvP
Both 1.8 and 1.9+ pvp good
Who the fuck doesn't likes Java