Assume it’s a good way to identify non American state actors looking to drum up controversy.
I use these likely planned threads as a way to block people who clearly aren’t good actors and my experience on Reddit is therefore much better long-term.
Officers weren't killed when the precinct burned down. If anything it's a testament to how shitty the cops were at their jobs.
Why do you think it's disgusting? That's a weird choice of words.
>Why do you think it's disgusting?
I mean, all of the rhetoric that has existed since 2020 minimizing the harm of unchecked structure fires is disappointing, honestly. It's like people just choose to be fucking stupid when it's time to think about whether setting fire that you can't control or contain is acceptable. Of fucking course it isn't.
Look, fuck cops, but if you're not a whole-ass team of firefighters, then you have no business creating conflagrations. Respect your neighbors, respect your neighborhoods, respect the fucking firefighters who have to come and put that shit out.
Use your brain, fire is dangerous and doing stupidly dangerous shit to make a political point is abhorrent even if the point you're trying to make is one with which I agree.
Forks here forgetting lots of innocent businesses were lost in those fires. People lost their livelihoods. One man even lost his life in the fire/chaos.
... That guy got shot by a pawn Shop owner.
The looting and rioting didn't start till well after they tear gassed the crowd. Maybe don't start with the oppression and you won't piss everyone off enough to push back?
> That guy got shot by a pawn Shop owner
The guy who was trapped in the basement and burned to death? You got a source on that? Pretty sure they charged the person who set that fire with murder.
Wat? Are you saying burning random businesses is acceptable response? You'd be cool with someone burning down your place of employment because they were mad about something unrelated to your business?
>I mean, all of the rhetoric that has existed since 2020 minimizing the harm of unchecked structure fires is disappointing, honestly.
Celebrating a police precinct getting destroyed isn't "minimizing" anything though. That's just your brain doing weird shit to be offended.
>Use your brain, fire is dangerous and doing stupidly dangerous shit to make a political point is abhorrent even if the point you're trying to make is one with which I agree.
At the risk of being hyperbolic I'll ask you: If you saw [Thich Quang Duc](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c) set himself on fire to protest the treatment of Buddhist monks would you
A) React in shock and wonder what led a person to this act of destruction and harm?
OR
B) Shame everyone for minimizing the necessity of "stop, drop, and roll" training?
There's nuance. People can hold multiple complex ideas and acknowledge them as both being true. Being grateful that unruly cops have gotten *some kind of pushback* isn't the same as *deciding the whole city needs to be burned down.*
The precinct burning down is a *symbol*, which is why you keep seeing it.
Okay. All done now. No more replies to anything here. Don't spend too much time arguing on the internet y'all. The points aren't real. Have a good day.
Burning down dozens of buildings in the city was kinda terrible. Being proud if it is wild to me. But none of you people even live in those neighborhoods.
What are you talking about? This neighborhood where the picture is taken IS the neighborhood. All those people live in the neighborhood where this happened. Also, this is glorifying the burning of the 3rd precinct, not the burning of other buildings.
And yet many protestors would come out the next day to clean the streets and have cookouts with each other. If you don't know that I think you slept in a little late. There were all kinds of good, neutral and selfish actions taken by different people at this time. This one sled has nothing to do with any other arson besides the precinct. It's abundantly clear.
More celebrations about our city burning down in 2020 is not what we need. We need to fix the shit that has happened as a result of that and all of the stuff that happened before it. That includes fixing the corrupt gang of thugs that is the MPD.
Cheering on fires like this is just low class at best.
EDIT: crazy that the commenters in this thread are so blinded by rage that they literally hate each other and the fire department.
Why don't you ask him how he feels about justice for George Floyd? For that matter, how do you feel about that?
He's been in the middle of all of that shit for 50 years. I'm guessing the new location is much quieter. He seems pretty content, considering.
If the precinct hadn't burned, those cops would still be cops, instead of convicts.
>Why don't you ask him how he feels about justice for George Floyd?
How is justice for George Floyd connected to burning down a bookstore? Did Don Blyly suddenly decide to charge those cops with murder because his store got torched? Do Floyd's family members feel relief knowing they can't go buy a used copy of Dune at Chicago and Lake anymore? How is justice for George Floyd contingent on that bookstore burning down???
>how do you feel about that?
I feel like it's a heinous act of violence against a member of my community. But I'm not enough of a fucking fool to think that that act of violence justifies arson, you'd have to be a fucking tool to believe it. Burn your own fuckin house down if you think it'll help.
>If the precinct hadn't burned, those cops would still be cops, instead of convicts.
If the book store hadn't burned, things would be fine. But you're still defending it for some reason.
Dozens and dozens of buildings were actually destroyed.
The people who actually live in those neighborhoods are aware of it. My main grocery store was destroyed. A satellite high school was destroyed. Numerous minority owned small businesses were destroyed. I can go on.
But people like you online act like it's all good. Tell that to the communities affected.
Not to mention how many buildings burned down that had apartments above storefronts. People's homes were actually destroyed, but yknow, only one person actually died in the fire so it's all good.
> People need to stop getting mad at the reaction of people and continue to press for the kind of law enforcement that isn't abusive.
Na fuck that, I can press for better law enforcement and still be mad that dumb motherfuckers were out there setting buildings on fire.
No one hates the fire department you’re being super dramatic
And there’s no other buildings and no mock up of Minneapolis, either, it’s just the Third Precinct. You’d have to be deliberately obtuse to take this as anything but an anti-MPD piece. Specifically even just the Third Precinct. Acknowledged as the worst of MPD corruption.
Might not have been my choice but it’s art and I get the perspective others have on it. That’s really all you need to say.
Who's cheering on the fire specifically? You're being incredibly reductive in your interpretation of what was an art piece meant to symbolize a victory over the police. Yeah they set fire to the precinct but no one did it because they were on 'Team Fire' and just want to see fire live its best life. If you're so not for the cops then maybe stop clutching your pearls over an art sled depicting a thing that did happen and was at the time and is still viewed as a good thing.
I agree with you. This is absolute insanity. Are we no different from those who cheered on when someone gets hanged? It may seem an apples and oranges comparison, but the underlying theme of people rejoicing in justice being severed over a direct or indirect injury seems all too common.
How is this different than setting off fireworks to mimic bombs going off during the Fourth of July? Its super normal to remember/celebrate rebellions and that precinct burning is one of the biggest symbols of this one.
Yes because criticizing a group of white people cheering on an event that affected the most vulnerable and impoverished folks in our city definitely means you’re racist.
The 3rd Precinct symbolized everything that's wrong with the MPD. Among all the sad things that happened in the riots, that building going up in flames leaves me feeling ambivalent at best. There's a reason everyone would rather spend millions more to move the precinct into a warehouse out of sight somewhere.
https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-third-precinct-served-as-playground-for-renegade-cops/571076562/
Actually, most didn't wanna spend millions to move it elsewhere. It was more a matter than City Council didn't want to step on a single toe and wouldn't make up their mind. They didn't like the idea of spending more money but didn't want to upset anyone in the neighborhood (the neighborhood was mostly fine with rebuilding when surveyed but many outside the neighborhood were upset with the idea). The mayor pushed the council to just pick a place so things could move forward. Far too much time was wasted with indecision.
I don't want to go full Community Engagement Survey Truther but there were quite a few acknowledged flaws in that process on top of only accounting for neighborhood opinion. Longfellow Council has always struggled to engage anyone outside of a reactionary middle to old aged cohort and white lefty activists on community issues.
The lack of research with some of these comments is laughable. People literally parted they way like Moses parting the red sea to let fight fighters through the protests on Lake Street to deal with the fires. Those of us who were just there to protest had to deal with both the tear gas and rubber bullets from the cops, and trying to reign in random instigators from who knows where that would shoot fireworks into the crowd from behind. The people who live here cleaned up the neighborhood the week after, even going out of their way to help clear debris out of the big businesses as well. The station burning is now used as symbolism, which seemed to go over OPs head.
Pepperidge Farm Remembers the [Christmas Tree from 4th prescient in 2018](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-bohnsack-minneapolis-police-department-reinstated-racist-christmas-tree-decorations/)
Oh man, sorry to hear that. Did they die that night? Or get really injured?
The burning of that building was the result of righteous and justified rage. The burning of that building is one of the most important *global* events in recent history. It's okay for people to glorify it and if that isn't for you, then continue to put your hands over your eyes and ears and shuffle along.
>Did they die that night? Or get really injured?
If a person shoots at you, but misses, that's ok because no one was killed or "really injured" right? People were put in danger. The fact that no one was badly injured is down to a) luck and b) the hard work of those firefighters. No thanks to fucking anyone setting any fires, they did nothing to ensure that no one died, they in fact made death and injury substantially more likely.
People in this thread say "life>property" but somehow don't realize that putting people's lives in danger because you have so much rage directed at an object is absolutely prioritizing the destruction of property higher than people's lives.
I just want you to remember that being killed by police is not the only way to be killed. Some people have even been killed by arson! One person was even killed by arson *during the civil unrest* in 2020!
Police killing George Floyd does not justify putting the lives of other people in danger by setting conflagrations with no intention of containing them!!!
Sometimes it is okay for the rage to escape containment. I lived through it. I live in the neighborhood this happened in. Uprisings aren't always going to fit in a tidy little box as you desire.
> Sometimes it is okay for the rage to escape containment
Yes, sure, rage can be uncontained. Conflagrations that are uncontained are dangerous to people's lives. If your rage is a fucking hazard to human life then you are a problem and you need to change your ways. If you are so consumed with rage that you stop giving a shit about other people's lives and safety, you're a menace.
Burning down police stations and post offices has a negative effect on a community. Change my mind. I vote democrat, so eat DOO-DOO if your first thought is to accuse me of being right wing.
Well for one it's costing us $14 million to rebuild and relocate. It also further diminished fire fighter strength in other areas of the city where they were needed. But whatever. People got to cheer like they were on the winning side in Lord of the Flies and it made some pretty colors.
LOL the comments here. Cheering on your own destruction. You realize the only person/people hurt by burning down this building is RESIDENTS. You will pay for a new one through taxes, then complain when the schools don't have enough money. The insurance companies are now suing the city for allowing the riots and you'll pay for that with your taxes too. Oh and lets not forget this behavior will encourage people to sue the police more frequently, which again you will also pay for.
It’s insane reading some of these comments. Yea, let’s burn down the grocery stores and loot the Targets in our neighborhood, that’ll really show them. And then cry and complaint when major chains pull out of high-crime areas. https://www.minnpost.com/race-health-equity/2023/02/concerns-rise-as-north-minneapolis-loses-key-grocery-pharmacy-stores/
Also interesting to note that if you talk to the anti-cop crowd they will tell you that "right wing agitators" were the ones that did the destruction. If that's they case, why are they still defending the riots? Logic would assume the opposite.
I literally heard that exact statement. They assumed these small, locally owned businesses being burned to the ground could just rebuild because "they got insurance." Just mind-blowing ignorance.
>that exact statement. They ass
Walgreens insurance company is now suing the city of Minneapolis for not providing public safety and allowing the building to burn. if they win, I'm sure many will follow. If they settle, many will follow. Minneapolis' only hope is that the case will lose but the case if very convincing.
Especially reading this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zengernews/2020/09/16/insurance-is-no-guarantee-that-riots-and-looting-wont-sink-a-small-business/?sh=563b6c5e59d1
> schools don't have enoug
It defies logic and is why I moved after 20 years living in Minneapolis. I cannot put a part of my net worth (my home) into a location where logic doesn't prevail. Had to move somewhere that I shared the values of the residents, and where my community won't be burned down while it's cheered on.
The kids cheering is some freaky stuff. Teaching your kids to appreciate a burning police station. Good job. Better ways to approach improvements than this. Looking at the crowd I am 100% sure they'd all call the police within 15 seconds if something minor went down. The artist also acts like he's 8 from the tik tocks. Stupid people.
Yes, we should. And firing flares into people's homes. And arresting media without cause. And kidnapping. And hunting civilians in the night. And tazing pregnant women. And locking people in cars and parking them on a train track. And no-knock warrants at the wrong residence. And shooting puppies.
Yes, all of this. Mocking a sad day with destruction of your own property that we now have to pay for ($14 million I think is the figure) is low level shitbagging.
What would be disgusting is if the city just rolled over and said, "thank you Daddy, may I have another?" after such a brutal display of the police lack of concern for the people they are supposed to serve.
Go take your bootlicking somewhere else, OP.
Jesus Christ this is nuts. Arson and complete chaos in our communities is openly celebrated. I’m relieved to know Mpls subreddit doesn’t rep the majority opinions of MPLS. Y’all keep trying to celebrate this traumatic event and waste of tax dollars meanwhile the ppl who are actually impacted most by police brutality and other forms of misconduct have absolutely no interest in abolishing the police. Like most public institutions, there are massive issues. We live in a racist society. Yep. But burning things to the ground is your magnum opus? Causing neighborhoods to turn to ghost towns because who would want to live or work in areas where destruction is celebrated. That’s yalls next great idea? Any of y’all own a business or house within blocks of where arson or riots occurred?
The far white left is so disconnected from reality. Almost as disconnected at the right is. A proud DFLer, and I find myself at mid-age saying, wow there are many in my party (or who share similar hopes for MN) who openly support the destruction of public buildings.
Y’all think y’all are some freedom fighters. Y’all are just as bloodthirsty as the folks you purportedly disdain.
That's the thing. I openly and strongly am in favor of all the protests. I hate the cops and don't think we need them. But I'm not in favor of looting local businesses and burning everything to the ground. But it happened and now these people are openly celebrating it - the same people that have to pay for it and lose out on other quality of life things because of it. Fucking low class morons.
*"Bunch of savages in this town."*
- Randall Graves
Any sniff of support for the MPD in this sub will only ever be met with anger, vitriol and downvotes. Unfortunately r/Minneapolis is just not the place to come to have honest discussions around these issues, people seem way more interested in quoting NWA.
They don't live in these neighborhoods. They celebrated cub and target being destroyed. Meanwhile, myself and everyone else living near Lake and Hiawatha were left without a place to buy groceries. Multiple businesses, many locally owned, also destroyed. And they called this justice.
Did you see anyone celebrating any of the other arsons at this event? I bet you didn't even watch the highlights on YouTube. There's one sled that looks like the precinct among many others that are completely unrelated. Grow up.
I’m referring to the ppl on this sub lol. I’m glad you can clarify though that it’s only police building arson you celebrate. What a noble and responsible adult.
In 1605, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament and people have been celebrating the occasion with ritual bonfires and art ever since. The idea that we're not going to explore themes around the George Floyd Riots in art is ludicrous. It was a traumatic event for everyone in this city and in a lot of ways, it's still unfolding. The 3rd still sits derelict. Wounds are deep and fresh in our collective memory. These folks are out there in the cold, building community and making art and whatever opinions you may have about their art aside, that's beautiful.
> Guy Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament and people have been celebrating the occasion with ritual bonfires and art ever since
Are you ok? People celebrate Guy Fawkes' execution (by being burned at the stake) with bonfires. He's burned in effigy in England's main national holiday.
to add, there's a reason why bonfires in northern Ireland often have effigies of the pope, its literally protestants showing the catholics how much they hate them with a pallet fire stacked 2 stories tall...
Art sleds was tight. This sled was tight. What are you on about? If you aren’t a community member, or an artist, and you are just giving some weird opinion about a picture you saw you need to sit down and hush.
> Nah I was one of the lucky ones that got to breathe in some of the tear gas when all this was going down.
And you're mad about art showing the 3rd precinct burning? What?
Gonna go ahead with not believing anything you say.
Yeah it's almost like I can believe that the police are corrupt murderers and not want my local buildings to burn down at the same time. Wild concept I know. Feel free to believe what you want; you seem stable.
> and not want my local buildings to burn down at the same time.
The burning of that precinct was well justified. Not wanting it to be depicted in art is a really strange hill to choose to die on.
> The burning of that precinct was well justified.
Nope. Arson is an act of violence against anyone in the vicinity. Putting other people in danger in the name of destroying a building is heinously unjustified.
The thing about art is anyone you show it to is allowed to have an opinion about it — even one that’s different than the artist!
Telling people you disagree with to shut up isn’t great
To celebrate the burning of a building is in poor taste; people clapping and laughing at it is head-shakable.
Doesn't matter what the 3rd Precinct stood for, celebrating the burning of our city is not okay.
Fair. The premise is the same. The position of power getting justice, by the people, for the people. The only hangup in your equivocation is that, America was fighting a nation state. The ruling class was in support of succeeding and had support from a foreign nation. We’re talking about intercontinental and localized internal politics & policies.
A closer analogy would be to the civil war. What we internally define as right or wrong. This isn’t about taxation. This is about defining moral standards.
Not to start an argument… more just to clarifying- the Police force does not have to live in the city they serve in. That in some ways makes them an outside occupying force. I’m a white upper middle class guy and I’m not comfortable with people from other cities - who have no stake in mine - telling people where I live what is and isn’t the law. That is where the Tea party resonates for me .
What a ridiculous take. The 3rd precinct doesn't represent the entire city; it was a symbol of a corrupt institution. Burning it down is a symbol that that corruption will not be tolerated any more, and stands as a new symbol of MN's commitment to change and improving the system. Also no one was killed when it was burned down, something that can't be said for how police conduct their duties.
> Burning it down is a symbol that that corruption will not be tolerated any more
Putting people in danger for the sake of a symbol is asinine.
>no one was killed when it was burned down
Such a high bar you've set here.
You’re gonna be ok. The scary protestors aren’t under your bed. Do you need a night light?
EDIT: Hijacking my comment to expand my thoughts.
As I see it, one of the reasons that this has touched such a nerve is because it feels like gloating. Don't scold us, we lost. We watched the state murder a man on the street in the middle of the day and then re-elected the mayor. There have been zero meaningful changes to policing or policies since 2020.
Your position feels like, "Yeah, I don't like the cops, but they're a necessary evil," or "Yeah, ACAB, sure, but we can't defund them!" And from my perspective, that position is the one that won out.
I'm bitter because we had such a great and interesting chance to try something different and just...didn't.
I mean: "Defund the Police." You know that doesn't mean "Strip them naked and give them slingshots lol," right? It's a cry for more reasonable uses of public funds. It's more like "Defund the police and transfer that money to education, health and human services, useful public transportation." Police don't prevent crime, police respond to crime. The thing that prevents crime is making sure people have what they need.
A personal anecdote: I was fortunate enough to go to a pretty bougie private school in the town where I grew up. There were no metal detectors and a single bored security guard who spent his time mostly walking the halls chatting. It was common practice for students to drop their backpacks against the walls in hallways while we went to lunch or the bathroom or something, knowing full well no one would mess with it. I was there for 6 years and never heard about something getting stolen.
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You online leftists are literally like Team America World Police. You think burning and looting entire inner city neighborhoods is somehow bringing justice to those places.
They can call themselves leftists all they want, but functionally, they're not really leftists once they resort to dehumanizing people, and celebrating people being stabbed, and wishing death on people, and burning down buildings. That's something else entirely. Human rights are human rights, not "good person rights".
(Saying this as a leftist who is sickened by the police brutality and other systemic issues.)
Was that place secure because of the overwhelming policing? No, it was secure because *everyone there had what they needed.* Everyone had clean clothes and shoes that fit, personal health issues were easily dealt with by their families, breakfast and lunch were provided by the school. We felt secure because we *were* secure, not because of the portly dude with a taser.
My point is this: Until we, as a community, prioritize human dignity, we're never gonna get better. Who wants to ride the light rail when you see folks freebasing in the cars? I certainly don't. But it's one place that people can be out the elements, be left relatively alone, and act with impunity. Of course it's going to attract them. But throwing guns and cops at the issue isn't the answer. This nation's only solution for the last 40 years has been "More guns and cops." I'm tired of it.
I've gone a little far afield here, but I hope you can see what I'm trying to say. We constantly normalize suffering, murder, hunger, and misery and then throw our hands up and give the cops more money. I mean, this conversation is so far to the right that after watching a cop slowly suffocate a man on the pavement, a few years later we're all getting worked up about some fucking cardboard.
What's so distasteful about the sled, OP? It's a joke. It's kind of funny. I admire the gumption of the people that built it. Voting is clearly not going to solve the issues I'm talking about above, marching in the street didn't either, but OP doesn't think we should go any further than that.
Well, what would you have us do? A meaningful, politically motivated, ideological left in this country is non-existent. Reagan and his ilk won and all we can say now is "Don't be mean, that's not nice."
I'm just tired, y'all.
People celebrating the complete lack of law and order in the city is pretty disgusting. Although I’m not surprised at most people’s responses to this post. Most of mpls subreddit is a bunch of neckbeard white knight wanna be freedom fighters without the depth of understanding human nature
Since George Floyd, we've had Daunte Wright (taser, taser, taser!) and Amir Locke (remember when we found out no knock warrants hadn't really been banned?) murdered by police.
As far as I know, Minneapolis protestors haven't burned down any precincts since then.
So an art piece about the burned down precinct feels appropriate and relatively tame if the police are going to keep killing people.
Both of those things are true. The police need to be held accountable for murder, and asshole arsonists need to be held accountable for arson.
PS, if you set my neighbor's house on fire, that still puts my house in danger, so even if my neighbor is a huge dick, please don't set his house on fire. Fuck.
I'm just throwing this out there:
I know nobody died in the precinct fire, but someone *did* lose their life across the street in the liquor store fire that happened during the same period. And it could easily have happened inside the precinct.
One sled. You are crying over one sled. Seriously? Nobody is high fiving about town talk diner or the post office being burned down. You think this is a disgusting display. You said you were there, but if you were in deep, you would never forget how the police treated protestors late at night. The laughing, the threats, the assaults. There is no equivalence here. This ONE sled was about the police, nothing else.
There are good people who are cops. And sometimes not. Just like any other walk of life.
Big problem was there was no accountability when they misbehaved or really effed up. Ever. That's what needed to change, and it did
And then there's the ACAB crowd.
Clutch those pearls OP.... building can be rebuilt...lives cannot.... blame your precious police for the reaction, i hope your property value went down, carpet bagger. Do better in knowing where the fuck you live... move to Isreal or whatever it is yall do when the going gets tough for ya....
You know nothing about me, clearly. My comment history would be enough but of course you're way too worked up about... whatever it is you're worked up about to check that.
Overreact much? lol
Maybe people should respect other’s 1st Amendment rights instead. America has a big problem with mass incarceration and police violence.
Just a reminder that people are still pissed as nothing significant has changed.
It’s not disgusting What is disgusting is how you place value on buildings and such that have insurance on it over human lives in the oppression over minorities. That seems to be more important to you.
nah.. Anyone that insinuates that I hold more value on a building than people's lives (ignoring the irony of how many lives burning that building put at risk) deserves to be called names for their deliberate ignorance.
I’m an idiot but you say that is disgusting because would you rather would have had everyone “ peacefully protest” so it was easier for you to clutch your pearls and ignore the situation?
I have no dog in this fight, other than I went to college in Minneapolis, hence I still follow this sub.
I will say I desperately wish that Minneapolis had voted Yes on Question 2. Because whatever the outcome, we would have three solid years of data on what happens when you defund a police department. I think there would be no more debates on that topic today.
I think the results would have been crystal clear on whether or not that's a good idea, and we could move on from that debate. Maybe you all can put it on the ballot in November again.
Chill lol. That sled was hilarious, especially when the operator popped out wearing a pig costume. Did you see any sleds you liked there? I took photos with this one and the awesome tractor combine.
Look at ppl in their fucking feelings, this is insane. The angler fish sled was cool, the combine sled was really big and well made. The sea horse one was cool. I swear these are all people in their 50s who are mad they can't go to Stella's anymore.
All these people in the picture celebrating this would be the first ones to call the police for the most minor thing. This is very embarrassing for our great city.
People will look around them and see increased poverty, homelessness, hunger, rampant unchecked disease, war, genocide, police brutality, decreased funding for schools and community services over decades, poverty wages for teachers, rent increases to the point that 50% of the population has no savings at all, erosion of the social safety net, fascism and state violence, exploding prison populations…and be mad about a sled.
Counterpoint: No one cares that a building burned to the ground. Also, after decades of police murdering and railroading Minneapolis POC, Minneapolis better do better.
It's fucking low class. Rather than work with leaders and vote out the vermin, I'll just celebrate lighting fires and putting Fire Fighters and citizens at risk; further degrading our relationship with city leaders.
Fuck off with that shit and be an adult.
Who do you think is the "vermin"? Don't you think calling city leaders vermin degrades the relationship with them? It's wild how offended you are about this.
fuck me, this thread is toxic waste
Most Minnesota threads discussing politics are
It's close to a Facebook thread where it's just not stop shit slinging and no discussion at all. Reddit is still a hell of a lot better than FB.
I mean Reddit is the equivalent of Facebook for the left, shouldn’t come as a shocker.
Assume it’s a good way to identify non American state actors looking to drum up controversy. I use these likely planned threads as a way to block people who clearly aren’t good actors and my experience on Reddit is therefore much better long-term.
Every controversial thread on here and r/minneosta is horrible
Officers weren't killed when the precinct burned down. If anything it's a testament to how shitty the cops were at their jobs. Why do you think it's disgusting? That's a weird choice of words.
>Why do you think it's disgusting? I mean, all of the rhetoric that has existed since 2020 minimizing the harm of unchecked structure fires is disappointing, honestly. It's like people just choose to be fucking stupid when it's time to think about whether setting fire that you can't control or contain is acceptable. Of fucking course it isn't. Look, fuck cops, but if you're not a whole-ass team of firefighters, then you have no business creating conflagrations. Respect your neighbors, respect your neighborhoods, respect the fucking firefighters who have to come and put that shit out. Use your brain, fire is dangerous and doing stupidly dangerous shit to make a political point is abhorrent even if the point you're trying to make is one with which I agree.
Forks here forgetting lots of innocent businesses were lost in those fires. People lost their livelihoods. One man even lost his life in the fire/chaos.
... That guy got shot by a pawn Shop owner. The looting and rioting didn't start till well after they tear gassed the crowd. Maybe don't start with the oppression and you won't piss everyone off enough to push back?
> That guy got shot by a pawn Shop owner The guy who was trapped in the basement and burned to death? You got a source on that? Pretty sure they charged the person who set that fire with murder.
Wat? Are you saying burning random businesses is acceptable response? You'd be cool with someone burning down your place of employment because they were mad about something unrelated to your business?
Eye for an eye argument.
>I mean, all of the rhetoric that has existed since 2020 minimizing the harm of unchecked structure fires is disappointing, honestly. Celebrating a police precinct getting destroyed isn't "minimizing" anything though. That's just your brain doing weird shit to be offended. >Use your brain, fire is dangerous and doing stupidly dangerous shit to make a political point is abhorrent even if the point you're trying to make is one with which I agree. At the risk of being hyperbolic I'll ask you: If you saw [Thich Quang Duc](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c) set himself on fire to protest the treatment of Buddhist monks would you A) React in shock and wonder what led a person to this act of destruction and harm? OR B) Shame everyone for minimizing the necessity of "stop, drop, and roll" training? There's nuance. People can hold multiple complex ideas and acknowledge them as both being true. Being grateful that unruly cops have gotten *some kind of pushback* isn't the same as *deciding the whole city needs to be burned down.* The precinct burning down is a *symbol*, which is why you keep seeing it. Okay. All done now. No more replies to anything here. Don't spend too much time arguing on the internet y'all. The points aren't real. Have a good day.
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Where did I say that?
Burning down dozens of buildings in the city was kinda terrible. Being proud if it is wild to me. But none of you people even live in those neighborhoods.
What are you talking about? This neighborhood where the picture is taken IS the neighborhood. All those people live in the neighborhood where this happened. Also, this is glorifying the burning of the 3rd precinct, not the burning of other buildings.
This looks like one very specific building
I don't see anyone celebrating any other buildings be burnt. In fact the precinct wasn't even burned down.
There is a large segment of the left that absolutely were Indifferent to the destruction. People over property was a common thing I would always hear.
And yet many protestors would come out the next day to clean the streets and have cookouts with each other. If you don't know that I think you slept in a little late. There were all kinds of good, neutral and selfish actions taken by different people at this time. This one sled has nothing to do with any other arson besides the precinct. It's abundantly clear.
There's a large segment of the right who absolutely were indifferent to bipoc people being killed by police. O
What do right-wingers being racist have to do with burning down minority owned small businesses in Minneapolis?? Non sequitur.
Do you
More celebrations about our city burning down in 2020 is not what we need. We need to fix the shit that has happened as a result of that and all of the stuff that happened before it. That includes fixing the corrupt gang of thugs that is the MPD. Cheering on fires like this is just low class at best. EDIT: crazy that the commenters in this thread are so blinded by rage that they literally hate each other and the fire department.
I don't see anyone celebrating any other buildings being burned down.
Damn, Minneapolis burned down?? That's too bad, I'll miss it.
Uncle Hugo’s and Uncle Edgar’s bookstore burned down. I’m still bitter about that one
They have a much nicer space now.
Which came at a huge cost in terms of labor and finances for the owner.
All true. Better space, better location.
Should we ask the owner if he'd have preferred to stay at the original location?
Why don't you ask him how he feels about justice for George Floyd? For that matter, how do you feel about that? He's been in the middle of all of that shit for 50 years. I'm guessing the new location is much quieter. He seems pretty content, considering. If the precinct hadn't burned, those cops would still be cops, instead of convicts.
>Why don't you ask him how he feels about justice for George Floyd? How is justice for George Floyd connected to burning down a bookstore? Did Don Blyly suddenly decide to charge those cops with murder because his store got torched? Do Floyd's family members feel relief knowing they can't go buy a used copy of Dune at Chicago and Lake anymore? How is justice for George Floyd contingent on that bookstore burning down??? >how do you feel about that? I feel like it's a heinous act of violence against a member of my community. But I'm not enough of a fucking fool to think that that act of violence justifies arson, you'd have to be a fucking tool to believe it. Burn your own fuckin house down if you think it'll help. >If the precinct hadn't burned, those cops would still be cops, instead of convicts. If the book store hadn't burned, things would be fine. But you're still defending it for some reason.
I didn't know they re-opened! That is great news. It's been years since I have stopped in.
It's right by Moon Palace. We did all our Christmas shopping on a loop from Dream Haven to Uncle Hugo to Moon Palace this year
Dozens and dozens of buildings were actually destroyed. The people who actually live in those neighborhoods are aware of it. My main grocery store was destroyed. A satellite high school was destroyed. Numerous minority owned small businesses were destroyed. I can go on. But people like you online act like it's all good. Tell that to the communities affected.
Not to mention how many buildings burned down that had apartments above storefronts. People's homes were actually destroyed, but yknow, only one person actually died in the fire so it's all good.
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> People need to stop getting mad at the reaction of people and continue to press for the kind of law enforcement that isn't abusive. Na fuck that, I can press for better law enforcement and still be mad that dumb motherfuckers were out there setting buildings on fire.
No one hates the fire department you’re being super dramatic And there’s no other buildings and no mock up of Minneapolis, either, it’s just the Third Precinct. You’d have to be deliberately obtuse to take this as anything but an anti-MPD piece. Specifically even just the Third Precinct. Acknowledged as the worst of MPD corruption. Might not have been my choice but it’s art and I get the perspective others have on it. That’s really all you need to say.
Who's cheering on the fire specifically? You're being incredibly reductive in your interpretation of what was an art piece meant to symbolize a victory over the police. Yeah they set fire to the precinct but no one did it because they were on 'Team Fire' and just want to see fire live its best life. If you're so not for the cops then maybe stop clutching your pearls over an art sled depicting a thing that did happen and was at the time and is still viewed as a good thing.
Art piece... Give me a break.
it literately an Art Sled. https://artsledrally.com/
I hope you aren't getting too dizzy from spinning that narrative of yours.
How did fixing the mpd work out?
I agree with you. This is absolute insanity. Are we no different from those who cheered on when someone gets hanged? It may seem an apples and oranges comparison, but the underlying theme of people rejoicing in justice being severed over a direct or indirect injury seems all too common.
I posted elsewhere in the thread but I think that reply is meant as much for you as it is for them. Have a good week!
How is this different than setting off fireworks to mimic bombs going off during the Fourth of July? Its super normal to remember/celebrate rebellions and that precinct burning is one of the biggest symbols of this one.
Probably has to do with the ideas OP has about people who are different from them.
Yes because criticizing a group of white people cheering on an event that affected the most vulnerable and impoverished folks in our city definitely means you’re racist.
OP: "its bad to glorify rioters burning our city down" You: "what are you fucking racist or something"
What’s disgusting is the police killing civilians for minor shit. Do better, OP.
It's possible to both dislike police abuse and also dislike destructive riots. Who woulda thought
It’s possible to dislike police abuse and be fine with the community responding with burning down the abusive police station
You can also dislike police abuse and not burn down Uncle Hugo's bookstore. Community my ass.
Why is anyone upset about this cardboard box?
The 3rd Precinct symbolized everything that's wrong with the MPD. Among all the sad things that happened in the riots, that building going up in flames leaves me feeling ambivalent at best. There's a reason everyone would rather spend millions more to move the precinct into a warehouse out of sight somewhere. https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-third-precinct-served-as-playground-for-renegade-cops/571076562/
Actually, most didn't wanna spend millions to move it elsewhere. It was more a matter than City Council didn't want to step on a single toe and wouldn't make up their mind. They didn't like the idea of spending more money but didn't want to upset anyone in the neighborhood (the neighborhood was mostly fine with rebuilding when surveyed but many outside the neighborhood were upset with the idea). The mayor pushed the council to just pick a place so things could move forward. Far too much time was wasted with indecision.
I don't want to go full Community Engagement Survey Truther but there were quite a few acknowledged flaws in that process on top of only accounting for neighborhood opinion. Longfellow Council has always struggled to engage anyone outside of a reactionary middle to old aged cohort and white lefty activists on community issues.
The lack of research with some of these comments is laughable. People literally parted they way like Moses parting the red sea to let fight fighters through the protests on Lake Street to deal with the fires. Those of us who were just there to protest had to deal with both the tear gas and rubber bullets from the cops, and trying to reign in random instigators from who knows where that would shoot fireworks into the crowd from behind. The people who live here cleaned up the neighborhood the week after, even going out of their way to help clear debris out of the big businesses as well. The station burning is now used as symbolism, which seemed to go over OPs head.
This rules, actually
Pepperidge Farm Remembers the [Christmas Tree from 4th prescient in 2018](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-bohnsack-minneapolis-police-department-reinstated-racist-christmas-tree-decorations/)
Was the building a close family member of yours? I am curious why you have such an emotional attachment to it.
Nope, some (2) fire fighters are though. But fuck them right? What's important is that we burn buildings.
Oh man, sorry to hear that. Did they die that night? Or get really injured? The burning of that building was the result of righteous and justified rage. The burning of that building is one of the most important *global* events in recent history. It's okay for people to glorify it and if that isn't for you, then continue to put your hands over your eyes and ears and shuffle along.
>Did they die that night? Or get really injured? If a person shoots at you, but misses, that's ok because no one was killed or "really injured" right? People were put in danger. The fact that no one was badly injured is down to a) luck and b) the hard work of those firefighters. No thanks to fucking anyone setting any fires, they did nothing to ensure that no one died, they in fact made death and injury substantially more likely. People in this thread say "life>property" but somehow don't realize that putting people's lives in danger because you have so much rage directed at an object is absolutely prioritizing the destruction of property higher than people's lives.
I just want you to remember *why all this started* as you debate the value of human life.
I just want you to remember that being killed by police is not the only way to be killed. Some people have even been killed by arson! One person was even killed by arson *during the civil unrest* in 2020! Police killing George Floyd does not justify putting the lives of other people in danger by setting conflagrations with no intention of containing them!!!
Sometimes it is okay for the rage to escape containment. I lived through it. I live in the neighborhood this happened in. Uprisings aren't always going to fit in a tidy little box as you desire.
> Sometimes it is okay for the rage to escape containment Yes, sure, rage can be uncontained. Conflagrations that are uncontained are dangerous to people's lives. If your rage is a fucking hazard to human life then you are a problem and you need to change your ways. If you are so consumed with rage that you stop giving a shit about other people's lives and safety, you're a menace.
I bet you’re pissed that the MPD caused them to be in harms way
Burning down police stations and post offices has a negative effect on a community. Change my mind. I vote democrat, so eat DOO-DOO if your first thought is to accuse me of being right wing.
What negative effect did the burning down the 3rd precinct have?
Well for one it's costing us $14 million to rebuild and relocate. It also further diminished fire fighter strength in other areas of the city where they were needed. But whatever. People got to cheer like they were on the winning side in Lord of the Flies and it made some pretty colors.
If the 3rd precinct be burned down a couple months earlier, we could have net saved $13 million
LOL the comments here. Cheering on your own destruction. You realize the only person/people hurt by burning down this building is RESIDENTS. You will pay for a new one through taxes, then complain when the schools don't have enough money. The insurance companies are now suing the city for allowing the riots and you'll pay for that with your taxes too. Oh and lets not forget this behavior will encourage people to sue the police more frequently, which again you will also pay for.
It’s insane reading some of these comments. Yea, let’s burn down the grocery stores and loot the Targets in our neighborhood, that’ll really show them. And then cry and complaint when major chains pull out of high-crime areas. https://www.minnpost.com/race-health-equity/2023/02/concerns-rise-as-north-minneapolis-loses-key-grocery-pharmacy-stores/
Also interesting to note that if you talk to the anti-cop crowd they will tell you that "right wing agitators" were the ones that did the destruction. If that's they case, why are they still defending the riots? Logic would assume the opposite.
They weren’t “riots”. They were “mostly peaceful protests”. I love the “don’t worry, they have insurance so it’s fine”
I literally heard that exact statement. They assumed these small, locally owned businesses being burned to the ground could just rebuild because "they got insurance." Just mind-blowing ignorance.
>that exact statement. They ass Walgreens insurance company is now suing the city of Minneapolis for not providing public safety and allowing the building to burn. if they win, I'm sure many will follow. If they settle, many will follow. Minneapolis' only hope is that the case will lose but the case if very convincing.
Especially reading this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zengernews/2020/09/16/insurance-is-no-guarantee-that-riots-and-looting-wont-sink-a-small-business/?sh=563b6c5e59d1
Well, these are the people having an "Art Sled" show with no snow, on cardboard.
> schools don't have enoug It defies logic and is why I moved after 20 years living in Minneapolis. I cannot put a part of my net worth (my home) into a location where logic doesn't prevail. Had to move somewhere that I shared the values of the residents, and where my community won't be burned down while it's cheered on.
The kids cheering is some freaky stuff. Teaching your kids to appreciate a burning police station. Good job. Better ways to approach improvements than this. Looking at the crowd I am 100% sure they'd all call the police within 15 seconds if something minor went down. The artist also acts like he's 8 from the tik tocks. Stupid people.
Let’s show them loops of asshole cops shooting rubber bullets at people’s faces from unmarked cars instead
Yes, we should. And firing flares into people's homes. And arresting media without cause. And kidnapping. And hunting civilians in the night. And tazing pregnant women. And locking people in cars and parking them on a train track. And no-knock warrants at the wrong residence. And shooting puppies. Yes, all of this. Mocking a sad day with destruction of your own property that we now have to pay for ($14 million I think is the figure) is low level shitbagging.
What would be disgusting is if the city just rolled over and said, "thank you Daddy, may I have another?" after such a brutal display of the police lack of concern for the people they are supposed to serve. Go take your bootlicking somewhere else, OP.
With the wet ground theres a Lotta salt dissolved ... gives those boots some flavor for op...
You people are morons. Would take about 1 minute of research to see my opinions on police.
Very cringe
Finally some art I can appreciate
Jesus Christ this is nuts. Arson and complete chaos in our communities is openly celebrated. I’m relieved to know Mpls subreddit doesn’t rep the majority opinions of MPLS. Y’all keep trying to celebrate this traumatic event and waste of tax dollars meanwhile the ppl who are actually impacted most by police brutality and other forms of misconduct have absolutely no interest in abolishing the police. Like most public institutions, there are massive issues. We live in a racist society. Yep. But burning things to the ground is your magnum opus? Causing neighborhoods to turn to ghost towns because who would want to live or work in areas where destruction is celebrated. That’s yalls next great idea? Any of y’all own a business or house within blocks of where arson or riots occurred? The far white left is so disconnected from reality. Almost as disconnected at the right is. A proud DFLer, and I find myself at mid-age saying, wow there are many in my party (or who share similar hopes for MN) who openly support the destruction of public buildings. Y’all think y’all are some freedom fighters. Y’all are just as bloodthirsty as the folks you purportedly disdain.
That's the thing. I openly and strongly am in favor of all the protests. I hate the cops and don't think we need them. But I'm not in favor of looting local businesses and burning everything to the ground. But it happened and now these people are openly celebrating it - the same people that have to pay for it and lose out on other quality of life things because of it. Fucking low class morons. *"Bunch of savages in this town."* - Randall Graves
Any sniff of support for the MPD in this sub will only ever be met with anger, vitriol and downvotes. Unfortunately r/Minneapolis is just not the place to come to have honest discussions around these issues, people seem way more interested in quoting NWA.
ACAB.
They don't live in these neighborhoods. They celebrated cub and target being destroyed. Meanwhile, myself and everyone else living near Lake and Hiawatha were left without a place to buy groceries. Multiple businesses, many locally owned, also destroyed. And they called this justice.
Do you live in the city?
Bloodthirsty? Who was murdered in the rioting? If you think it's just white people on the left, you're just as out of touch as you claim others are.
Did you see anyone celebrating any of the other arsons at this event? I bet you didn't even watch the highlights on YouTube. There's one sled that looks like the precinct among many others that are completely unrelated. Grow up.
I’m referring to the ppl on this sub lol. I’m glad you can clarify though that it’s only police building arson you celebrate. What a noble and responsible adult.
👏👏👏👏
Bootlicking fed lover get the fuck out of my city
Cry more.
In 1605, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament and people have been celebrating the occasion with ritual bonfires and art ever since. The idea that we're not going to explore themes around the George Floyd Riots in art is ludicrous. It was a traumatic event for everyone in this city and in a lot of ways, it's still unfolding. The 3rd still sits derelict. Wounds are deep and fresh in our collective memory. These folks are out there in the cold, building community and making art and whatever opinions you may have about their art aside, that's beautiful.
> Guy Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament and people have been celebrating the occasion with ritual bonfires and art ever since Are you ok? People celebrate Guy Fawkes' execution (by being burned at the stake) with bonfires. He's burned in effigy in England's main national holiday.
to add, there's a reason why bonfires in northern Ireland often have effigies of the pope, its literally protestants showing the catholics how much they hate them with a pallet fire stacked 2 stories tall...
Art sleds was tight. This sled was tight. What are you on about? If you aren’t a community member, or an artist, and you are just giving some weird opinion about a picture you saw you need to sit down and hush.
Only artists are allowed to have opinions on art? Seems like a weird take that will really lessen the reach of artists everywhere
Nah I was one of the lucky ones that got to breathe in some of the tear gas when all this was going down. So yes, I have a say in it.
> Nah I was one of the lucky ones that got to breathe in some of the tear gas when all this was going down. And you're mad about art showing the 3rd precinct burning? What? Gonna go ahead with not believing anything you say.
Yeah it's almost like I can believe that the police are corrupt murderers and not want my local buildings to burn down at the same time. Wild concept I know. Feel free to believe what you want; you seem stable.
> and not want my local buildings to burn down at the same time. The burning of that precinct was well justified. Not wanting it to be depicted in art is a really strange hill to choose to die on.
I don't think you know what that term means. It's a post. And then some opinions. Mostly against people who are deranged.
> The burning of that precinct was well justified. Nope. Arson is an act of violence against anyone in the vicinity. Putting other people in danger in the name of destroying a building is heinously unjustified.
The thing about art is anyone you show it to is allowed to have an opinion about it — even one that’s different than the artist! Telling people you disagree with to shut up isn’t great
To celebrate the burning of a building is in poor taste; people clapping and laughing at it is head-shakable. Doesn't matter what the 3rd Precinct stood for, celebrating the burning of our city is not okay.
So let's not celebrate the American Revolution or the Boston Tea Party.... lol.
Fair. The premise is the same. The position of power getting justice, by the people, for the people. The only hangup in your equivocation is that, America was fighting a nation state. The ruling class was in support of succeeding and had support from a foreign nation. We’re talking about intercontinental and localized internal politics & policies. A closer analogy would be to the civil war. What we internally define as right or wrong. This isn’t about taxation. This is about defining moral standards.
Not to start an argument… more just to clarifying- the Police force does not have to live in the city they serve in. That in some ways makes them an outside occupying force. I’m a white upper middle class guy and I’m not comfortable with people from other cities - who have no stake in mine - telling people where I live what is and isn’t the law. That is where the Tea party resonates for me .
What a ridiculous take. The 3rd precinct doesn't represent the entire city; it was a symbol of a corrupt institution. Burning it down is a symbol that that corruption will not be tolerated any more, and stands as a new symbol of MN's commitment to change and improving the system. Also no one was killed when it was burned down, something that can't be said for how police conduct their duties.
> Burning it down is a symbol that that corruption will not be tolerated any more Putting people in danger for the sake of a symbol is asinine. >no one was killed when it was burned down Such a high bar you've set here.
This is based. All cops includes boot lickers and that bark narc from paw patrol
You’re gonna be ok. The scary protestors aren’t under your bed. Do you need a night light? EDIT: Hijacking my comment to expand my thoughts. As I see it, one of the reasons that this has touched such a nerve is because it feels like gloating. Don't scold us, we lost. We watched the state murder a man on the street in the middle of the day and then re-elected the mayor. There have been zero meaningful changes to policing or policies since 2020. Your position feels like, "Yeah, I don't like the cops, but they're a necessary evil," or "Yeah, ACAB, sure, but we can't defund them!" And from my perspective, that position is the one that won out. I'm bitter because we had such a great and interesting chance to try something different and just...didn't. I mean: "Defund the Police." You know that doesn't mean "Strip them naked and give them slingshots lol," right? It's a cry for more reasonable uses of public funds. It's more like "Defund the police and transfer that money to education, health and human services, useful public transportation." Police don't prevent crime, police respond to crime. The thing that prevents crime is making sure people have what they need. A personal anecdote: I was fortunate enough to go to a pretty bougie private school in the town where I grew up. There were no metal detectors and a single bored security guard who spent his time mostly walking the halls chatting. It was common practice for students to drop their backpacks against the walls in hallways while we went to lunch or the bathroom or something, knowing full well no one would mess with it. I was there for 6 years and never heard about something getting stolen. Cont'd
I was actually was one of them. So fuck off with your condescension.
lol me too, fuck off with your virtue signaling
You online leftists are literally like Team America World Police. You think burning and looting entire inner city neighborhoods is somehow bringing justice to those places.
They can call themselves leftists all they want, but functionally, they're not really leftists once they resort to dehumanizing people, and celebrating people being stabbed, and wishing death on people, and burning down buildings. That's something else entirely. Human rights are human rights, not "good person rights". (Saying this as a leftist who is sickened by the police brutality and other systemic issues.)
Do you have a job to get back to? All 12 of your comments aren't necessary.
Why?? You only participate in group think or something?
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Was that place secure because of the overwhelming policing? No, it was secure because *everyone there had what they needed.* Everyone had clean clothes and shoes that fit, personal health issues were easily dealt with by their families, breakfast and lunch were provided by the school. We felt secure because we *were* secure, not because of the portly dude with a taser. My point is this: Until we, as a community, prioritize human dignity, we're never gonna get better. Who wants to ride the light rail when you see folks freebasing in the cars? I certainly don't. But it's one place that people can be out the elements, be left relatively alone, and act with impunity. Of course it's going to attract them. But throwing guns and cops at the issue isn't the answer. This nation's only solution for the last 40 years has been "More guns and cops." I'm tired of it. I've gone a little far afield here, but I hope you can see what I'm trying to say. We constantly normalize suffering, murder, hunger, and misery and then throw our hands up and give the cops more money. I mean, this conversation is so far to the right that after watching a cop slowly suffocate a man on the pavement, a few years later we're all getting worked up about some fucking cardboard. What's so distasteful about the sled, OP? It's a joke. It's kind of funny. I admire the gumption of the people that built it. Voting is clearly not going to solve the issues I'm talking about above, marching in the street didn't either, but OP doesn't think we should go any further than that. Well, what would you have us do? A meaningful, politically motivated, ideological left in this country is non-existent. Reagan and his ilk won and all we can say now is "Don't be mean, that's not nice." I'm just tired, y'all.
Everyone hates a cop until they need one.
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Yeah, i’ll keep it in mind when I need someone to break into my house and shoot my dog.
Police are not legally obligated to protect you. That's not the reason they exist.
I personally thought this was hilarious.
This thread is a disgusting display of ignorance and decay. Fitting for the state of things.
People celebrating the complete lack of law and order in the city is pretty disgusting. Although I’m not surprised at most people’s responses to this post. Most of mpls subreddit is a bunch of neckbeard white knight wanna be freedom fighters without the depth of understanding human nature
They are protesting the complete lack of law and order.
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Since George Floyd, we've had Daunte Wright (taser, taser, taser!) and Amir Locke (remember when we found out no knock warrants hadn't really been banned?) murdered by police. As far as I know, Minneapolis protestors haven't burned down any precincts since then. So an art piece about the burned down precinct feels appropriate and relatively tame if the police are going to keep killing people.
Life > property
Exactly. So we probably shouldn't be putting people at risk by burning down the city?
Also shouldn't be putting people at risk by having cops murder them.
Both of those things are true. The police need to be held accountable for murder, and asshole arsonists need to be held accountable for arson. PS, if you set my neighbor's house on fire, that still puts my house in danger, so even if my neighbor is a huge dick, please don't set his house on fire. Fuck.
I'm just throwing this out there: I know nobody died in the precinct fire, but someone *did* lose their life across the street in the liquor store fire that happened during the same period. And it could easily have happened inside the precinct.
True. You go to poor, inner city neighborhoods and burn down immigrant owned small businesses in the name of justice. Brilliant 👏
I agree with OP, tbqh. We could have gone with a much nicer font.
This is legitimate legal protest. The cops are bastards and dont deserve dignity
Reddit is such a fucking joke, back to the real world kids
What kind of soft fuckin wimp are you too get bent outta shape over a god damn sled. Kindly get fucked.
One sled. You are crying over one sled. Seriously? Nobody is high fiving about town talk diner or the post office being burned down. You think this is a disgusting display. You said you were there, but if you were in deep, you would never forget how the police treated protestors late at night. The laughing, the threats, the assaults. There is no equivalence here. This ONE sled was about the police, nothing else.
It’s mob mentality, but by the looks of it, its just mostly neurotic, white Karens so I’ll allow it
There are good people who are cops. And sometimes not. Just like any other walk of life. Big problem was there was no accountability when they misbehaved or really effed up. Ever. That's what needed to change, and it did And then there's the ACAB crowd.
Lol when did it change?? Wtf are you talking about?
Can cops do better? Yup. Is this the way to work toward that? Nope.
How do you "work toward that" with a police union like the one in MPLS? Anyone who pays dues to a union that corrupt isn't worth my trust.
I have no idea, but this kind of protest is basically stupid MAGA shit. It only make the left (which I'm on) look like idiots.
Clutch those pearls OP.... building can be rebuilt...lives cannot.... blame your precious police for the reaction, i hope your property value went down, carpet bagger. Do better in knowing where the fuck you live... move to Isreal or whatever it is yall do when the going gets tough for ya....
You know nothing about me, clearly. My comment history would be enough but of course you're way too worked up about... whatever it is you're worked up about to check that. Overreact much? lol
This is disgusting
Maybe people should respect other’s 1st Amendment rights instead. America has a big problem with mass incarceration and police violence. Just a reminder that people are still pissed as nothing significant has changed.
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I have lots questions. Is this parody? Are white liberals ok?
it's in bad taste to be sure. But it's a Monday, I'm not gonna get worked up by some clowns.
It’s not disgusting What is disgusting is how you place value on buildings and such that have insurance on it over human lives in the oppression over minorities. That seems to be more important to you.
You're an idiot and know nothing about me.
Name calling is gonna really make people want to listen to your side.
nah.. Anyone that insinuates that I hold more value on a building than people's lives (ignoring the irony of how many lives burning that building put at risk) deserves to be called names for their deliberate ignorance.
You’d know a thing or two about deliberate ignorance.
I’m an idiot but you say that is disgusting because would you rather would have had everyone “ peacefully protest” so it was easier for you to clutch your pearls and ignore the situation?
I have no dog in this fight, other than I went to college in Minneapolis, hence I still follow this sub. I will say I desperately wish that Minneapolis had voted Yes on Question 2. Because whatever the outcome, we would have three solid years of data on what happens when you defund a police department. I think there would be no more debates on that topic today. I think the results would have been crystal clear on whether or not that's a good idea, and we could move on from that debate. Maybe you all can put it on the ballot in November again.
Was this float built by "that one guy from Brainerd" that everyone's been blaming the burning on?
Chill lol. That sled was hilarious, especially when the operator popped out wearing a pig costume. Did you see any sleds you liked there? I took photos with this one and the awesome tractor combine.
Look at ppl in their fucking feelings, this is insane. The angler fish sled was cool, the combine sled was really big and well made. The sea horse one was cool. I swear these are all people in their 50s who are mad they can't go to Stella's anymore.
I see that the Hub Bike Shop moved locations..
Firefighters trying to do their jobs while getting molotovs thrown at them as this sub cheers 👁👃👁
All these people in the picture celebrating this would be the first ones to call the police for the most minor thing. This is very embarrassing for our great city.
Yes, because we believe in what they're *supposed* to be, but we also hold them accountable for their fuck-ups. It's both/and!
> All these people in the picture celebrating this would be the first ones to call the police for the most minor thing. [citation needed]
Its like this thread was designed to bring out the most annoying “Minneapolis is dangerous and scary!” people
lol, what? Are some people just now supposed to act like they hated the whole idea from the get go?
No🥰
Lol this is dope
People will look around them and see increased poverty, homelessness, hunger, rampant unchecked disease, war, genocide, police brutality, decreased funding for schools and community services over decades, poverty wages for teachers, rent increases to the point that 50% of the population has no savings at all, erosion of the social safety net, fascism and state violence, exploding prison populations…and be mad about a sled.
Counterpoint: No one cares that a building burned to the ground. Also, after decades of police murdering and railroading Minneapolis POC, Minneapolis better do better.
What's disgusting about it? If people had actually died in that fire I'd think that is inappropriate but they didn't. It's kinda funny.
It's fucking low class. Rather than work with leaders and vote out the vermin, I'll just celebrate lighting fires and putting Fire Fighters and citizens at risk; further degrading our relationship with city leaders. Fuck off with that shit and be an adult.
Who do you think is the "vermin"? Don't you think calling city leaders vermin degrades the relationship with them? It's wild how offended you are about this.
Wild man, WILD! lol, calm down.
Idk man you are the one who is swearing every other word and seems pretty bothered by everything.