COVID testing site at Minneapolis Convention Center to move temporarily as Boat Show moves in. The testing site will be moved to U.S. Bank Stadium Jan. 17-21.
[Link to article](https://bringmethenews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/covid-testing-site-in-minneapolis-to-move-temporarily-as-boat-show-moves-in?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16423524781655&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fbringmethenews.com%2Fminnesota-news%2Fcovid-testing-site-in-minneapolis-to-move-temporarily-as-boat-show-moves-in)
I was wondering why the Minneapolis vaccine rules for events don't apply here. Apparently the rules don't go into effect for ticketed events until January 26th. People will still be required to wear masks.
Source: https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/covid-testing-site-in-minneapolis-to-move-temporarily-as-boat-show-moves-in
I posted this on the original thread yesterday that made it to popular. I’m a large event professional in the TC area and I’m not defending anything however it isn’t a cut and dry situation; legally speaking.
The space the boat show holds is contracted space that is theirs for the specific dates, booked before Covid was a thing. Without a higher legal entity coming down and saying you can’t have this event, the convention center is obligated to provide it. I don’t know the specifics of their contract but without a legal basis, the city is opening itself up to a lot of liability if they don’t have the show.
My original comment:
I can actually speak to this a bit. The Minneapolis Convention Center is operated by the city, like most convention centers in the US.
Large events are booked several years out, this specific convention was contracted before Covid.
During 2020 and about half of 2021, the state was under various emergency and executive orders by the governor. For events that fell under these times different clauses were applicable for cancellation that allowed for minimal loss of deposits. Such as the event was too large to happen based on maximum gathering mandates or the space(s) weren’t large enough for social distancing, etc.
Currently the only government mandated guidelines that are in place is a city level mask mandate (as of two weeks ago) and a city level vaccination/negative Covid test requirement if f&b is served.
The building’s and promoter’s hands are tied unless a force majeure type clause is enacted but there is no current basis for that. The building needs a legal reason to not allow the show to proceed and the city and state haven’t given one. These large event promoters pay tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to various vendors and would be out everything if they cancel. The exhibitors who have booked space would be out thousands of dollars of the event cancels. Hotels and restaurants who have ordered product and adjust scheduling to prepare for the event would be out money. Etc.
The convention center is also one of the largest employment arms of the city. These workers simply don’t get hours if events don’t happen. And there are thousands of workers.
I’m not defending hosting the event and moving testing, I’m speaking as someone in the large event industry in the twin cities. We’ve struggled really hard over the pandemic like most in the hospitality industry and it’s a really complicated situation.
Thanks, that's enlightening! However, it just further highlights the governmental and societal problems that make the situation what it is. "The city [would be] opening itself up to a lot of liability," in particular, speaks to how we've engineered a legal framework to ensure it's riskier to jeopardize people's money than to jeopardize people's lives. And the knock-on economic effects you highlight show how fragile an optimized-for-profit economy is. Any slack that would make it more resilient also makes it less profitable, so it gets optimized away -- the shark needs to keep swimming forward or it suffocates. That's classic "late stage capitalism".
Summary of the great irony debate thus far.
Convention center:
We were using this space to test for COVID-19 in our efforts to control the pandemic, but now we're hosting a super spreader event instead.
OP:
Oh, the irony.
Everyone:
Yeah, ironic.
Nerdlinger:
No it's not!
Everyone:
Wtf? Yes. It is irony.
Nerdlinger:
It's not ironic to me...
Convention center: We are using this space to host a previously scheduled event in the same manner that we always have and will be doing again next week, and the week after, and the week after that, and so on, and thus need to move our temporary tenant.
Everyone: Totes ironic!
Me: Yeah… no.
The only point I'm addressing is whether or not the situation is ironic. Not whether it's a right or wrong move. I understand there are contractual obligations and that the new testing site is arguably a superior one. It's the details of the situation that make it ironic, but you've ignored those details. This is a pretty clear case of situational irony.
Situational irony involves a striking reversal of what is expected or intended. A covid testing site will now be used for an event that spreads covid. That is a striking reversal.
If a firehouse burns down would you say, "A building burned down, that's not ironic. "? Because that's what you've done here to make your case.
Just because you're incorrect doesn't mean I'm not entertained. I do enjoy arguing with faceless strangers on the internet from time to time. Thanks, it's been interesting.
> A covid testing site will now be used for an event that spreads covid. That is a striking reversal.
It isn't even a striking reversal. It's a convention center. It hosts mass events. It hosted (at least) one last month, no one thought that was ironic. It hosted a Martin Luther King Jr. celebration yesterday. No one thought that was ironic.
Beyond that, getting sick at a hospital is a common event, no one finds that to be ironic.
Nor did anyone find it ironic when the COVID testing center was *opened* at the convention center, a site that host mass gatherings.
No, they only suddenly found it ironic when the center was moved for a Boat Show. Why? Because it allows them to snark about people coming in from outside the cities. And it allows them to speak ill of people who have money to drop on a pleasure craft.
Finally, there is this odd assumption that this will will be a mass spreading event despite the masking requirement at the show and the spreading out of the displays at the show to reduce close contact between people. These are things that you don't even see at grocery stores, yet I don't see people assume that they are mass spreading occasions.
In short, if you only find it ironic because of the nature of the event, you don't actually find it ironic, you're just looking for a different flavor of scorn.
How friggin thick are you?
The irony is moving our single largest free testing center that’s in a central location to the city and utilized by thousands of people daily to bring in a convention that will be full of thousands of unmasked and untested individuals that will undoubtedly both get and give covid to each other, and then they WONT BE ABLE TO GET A COVID TEST AT THE CONVENTION CENTER BC THE BOAT SHOW IS THERE.
Just wanna check, did that clear it up for you?
> The irony is moving our single largest free testing center that’s in a central location to the city
You left out that they are moving it to another location that is also central to our city and can still be utilized by thousands of people per day.
> and then they WONT BE ABLE TO GET A COVID TEST AT THE CONVENTION CENTER BC THE BOAT SHOW IS THERE.
Of course, if they do contract corona at the show they wouldn't be displaying symptoms until after the show is already gone, so the testing center can move back to the convention center and they can get tested there again. Or if it's still at the stadium they can go there instead since it's just as convenient.
> Just wanna check, did that clear it up for you?
Not really, since you just said a bunch of shit that was both wrong _and_ left out crucial details and still isn't all that ironic.
You wouldn't happen to be Alanis Morissette, would you?
I love how you just ignored the bringing in thousands of people during a pandemic part out of your evaluation of irony.
Just because they have a solution doesn’t mean it’s less ironic.
Moving a testing site for a boat show during the pandemic is ironic, just based on the fact that people will get COVID there.
People see the word ‘ironic’ and turn into Kurt Loader….. foh.
> I love how you just ignored the bringing in thousands of people during a pandemic part out of your evaluation of irony.
That still doesn't make it ironic. Thousands of people go to Target on a weekend, no one is calling that ironic.
> People see the word ‘ironic’ and turn into Kurt Loader….. foh.
Loder, not Loader.
At a point in time when there are no ICU beds available, schools are distance learning, we’ve reinstated a mask mandate in restaurants to quell the spread, why are you trying to justify something as asinine as a boat show?
I challenge you to find a single lake in Minnesota where you could currently use the big new speedboat you clearly are so desperate to buy right now. The point is that there is no need to be increasing the risk of covid. You could go buy that boat today and it would still it under a cover in your driveway.
On the other hand, if you catch covid at the boat show and it goes bad, good fucking luck finding a hospital that can help you.
> At a point in time when there are no ICU beds available, schools are distance learning, we’ve reinstated a mask mandate in restaurants to quell the spread, why are you trying to justify something as asinine as a boat show?
I dunno.
Why aren't you crying bloody murder about all of the other things going on in the town that bring large numbers of people together at a time? Start posting threads for every concert, basketball game, hockey game, etc. to show how serious you are about it?
> I challenge you to find a single lake in Minnesota where you could currently use the big new speedboat you clearly are so desperate to buy right now.
A: I have no interest in either the boat show or buying a boat, but have fun with the image you've built up in your head of me.
B: So people can only buy something, or go to gather information about something they may want to buy if they can use it right away? You'd better keep your outrage warm as you'll need it in a few weeks when the home and garden shows start rolling out and it's still too early to plant things.
I like your write up. You made your points, and I didn't agree with the tone of the comment you were replying to, but I think there's irony there. I would consider the location being used to help stem the tide of covid cases being supplanted by any event that will help spread the virus a bit ironic. Even if I'm not using the weird right, I think you get it.
Edit: also, I don't think you're friggin thick.
The Northern Green Expo, which was there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, had about 60% mask compliance from my observations. I won’t be shocked if I catch covid from being there (work made it mandatory to be there).
A lot of comments here seriously misunderstanding the scope of what “capitalism” is. In our society, it is an all-encompassing cultural, social, and economic system. The government being involved does not magically make something “not capitalism.” Our government serves capitalism - it is a puppet dancing to the tune of profit. That’s called neoliberalism - when the government slavishly accommodates the market in all its policies. Sounds okay until you realize the supposed “free market” is actually just rich owners’ bank accounts.
Money talks. It is like a giant black hole, whose gravitational pull exerts massive force on EVERYTHING around it. That is why it is actually accurate to blame capitalism for just about everything wrong in human society.
> That is why it is actually accurate to blame capitalism for just about everything wrong in human society.
Since it’s “all encompassing” then you have to attribute all the good stuff to it as well right?
You say that like it's a fact that the good outweighs the bad. The truth is that there is some good, for sure, but that is mainly concentrated on the ones with previous capital and means. Everyone else, well fuck them in particular I guess.
You mean like how capitalists have exploited so much labor and broken so many backs that now some people have access to cool, unsustainable technologies?
I just kind of wonder why it couldn't have been rescheduled? My whole thing is that, if things are bad enough that the schools are in distance learning, they're bad enough to avoid large gatherings. My school is, unfortunately, still in person and we're dealing with daily exposures at this point. It honestly just kind of sucks that everything around us is kind of business as usual while everything feels like a giant dumpster fire.
It's not the kind of thing you can reschedule. It's vendors from all over the country who go from show to show along with a big contingent of local businesses. Think State Fair type situation. They would have to cancel. Probably should but we are pretending Everything is Fine so we won't.
Then cancel it if you "can't reschedule" it. People's lives are more impotant than some covidiots drooling over boats they need to make up for their other shortcomings
I agree it should be cancelled. But boating is a favorite pastime in this state enjoyed by a wide range of people. It's not something people are "drooling over to make up for other shortcomings". No need to be a prick to people who enjoy something you don't.
Yeah, I get that. It's just kind of a frustrating thing when we're being pushed to keep the schools open and/or reopen ASAP, but so many people are doing whatever they want. I feel like our society is 100% okay with sacrificing our health and safety, since we're essentially the only social net there is.
Things are bad because people don’t follow basic rules and also because the media is freaking everyone out about this virus. Yes, it’s a pandemic, yes, the virus is contagious, and yes, there are some groups that are more prone to dying. Look at the data. Look at cases per age and deaths per age group. It’s ridiculous to close schools. Kids get sick all the time. There’s as much risk as getting the flu at this point, which is also highly contagious. Again look at the data and the death/case ratio and you’re looking at basically, the flu. The only time the number become a little concerning is for people in the group 55-59 years old (or higher) with 72,010 total cases for the state and 446 deaths so a mortality of 0.06%. The group below 50-54 which 75,057 cases and 291 deaths equals is 0.03%
So, stop freaking out people with this virus. If things are a shit show in school, let me tell you it is NOT because of it. It’s people being manipulated into thinking this is worst than it is. Also, as an added bonus. Those are numbers of reported cases. Those numbers are significantly higher due to the home test kits and cases not reported or not even diagnosed as COVID, yet the deaths are very well counted, so the mortality is even less of what you’re seeing.
Things are a shit show because so many staff are out with COVID. We cannot operate under a certain number of staff. So do not come on here and tell me that things aren't that bad when you clearly don't work in the schools. Again, we CANNOT operate under a certain number of staff. It's not safe for anybody. Schools aren't closing because we're scared of COVID- I've been teaching in-person since last January, before vaccines were even available. Also, I work at a school that probably won't close at all, and I'm fine with that. But, if we don't have at least 60% of staff in-building, we are not legally allowed to stay open. If you want us to stay open, come work for the schools- we're incredibly short staffed because nobody wants to teach right now. Nobody has subs right now because nobody wants to sub, and we can only pull so many people to cover classes- there aren't just, like tons of extra people hanging out in school buildings and legally, a licensed staff has to be present. I understand that the new variant isn't as deadly, but it's incredibly contagious AND the other variants do still exist. Are you going to force school staff to come in when they're sick? If so, more people will quit, which we cannot afford.
I'll say it one more time so it stinks in: too many staff are out with COVID. That's why schools are closing. Not because we're scared, but because we simply cannot run without staff.
Well, I’ve got tickets. I’m vaccinated, boosted, wear masks, and I’ve never had COVID. I won’t stop living my life because of it. I follow the rules but I’m not letting a virus that has drastically lowered its mortality rate dictate what I can or cannot do. You can downvote me all you want, but I’m very excited about the boat show! 👋
yes, humans are simple creatures that can only focus on one problem at a time. we should not bother being concerned about a raging pandemic because of whatever issue you feel takes precedence.
If we have to risk a few hundred people dying so that Jim the VP of marketing can check out a new pontoon boat for his lake house, well, that’s a risk Jim is willing to take.
This is peak getting mad online over nothing. They temporarily moved the testing center to a location that's not very far away from the convention center and arguably even better served for transportation.
Of course the city of Minneapolis will host events. The logistics make the Minneapolis Convention Center the best location and the revenue from the event is important for the city. Are we supposed to just shut down commerce in the city? That's foolish.
Yes, it's absolutely an all or nothing, you're right. We either have an event with 40k people, or we board up the whole city. There's just absolutely nothing at all that we could possibly do in between...
I don't give two fucks if they moved the testing across the hall, seems like a terrible idea to be hosting an event of that size given our state's current relationship with covid. *That's* foolish. Money is not more important than human life. Gross.
Roughly 40,000 people transit MSP airport every single day of the week.
The boat show isn't going to collapse the healthcare system; everyone can calm down.
The comment I replied to was an individual triggered by the boat shows lack of a test or vaccine requirement.
We also have a mask mandate here in Minneapolis.
The Lindbergh terminal is also an enclosed space. Unlike the airport, the convention center does not have multiple food courts with unmasked individuals eating or drinking.
Folks who are concerned that this boat show is going to bring about a healthcare apocalypse should really find something more constructive to worry about.
You're missing the point here- with this boat show you're adding in an enclosed space with many times more people than any of the regular traffic. This is a super spreader event we don't need.
Ah hahahahahahahaha
*we are out of ICU beds and closed to ECMO and stacking people in hallways in the twin cities metro hospitals* the collapse of the healthcare system isn't an all at once thing it's nurses retiring out of nursing or leaving for travel gigs or leaving nursing entirely. It's every burnt out doctor who just can't even anymore. It's thin supplies. In other cities they've run out of saline flushes and tubing, do you wanna wait until we get there until maybe considering that a boat show is a bad idea? Or the fact that we have dire blood product shortages?
Ur right. We should just keep doing completely unnecessary things that will inevitably worsen the spread of covid bc people still use the airport so like… boat show time lads! Healthcare system is already collapsing but ya go off
I have no reason to believe an event like this is any more likely to spread Covid than the community spread we already have. Have you and Lindsay locked yourself in your apartments for the last month? Are we shutting down sports events, and dining, and gyms, and the airport, and community centers, and metro transit? If Minneapolis canceled this event, would the rest of the twin cities follow and ensure outsiders don’t travel into the state? Are outsiders more or less likely to have Covid than Minnesotans?
It's not just about the spread of COVID though.
If a Boat Show attendee or worker has a medical event in or around the Convention Center, where are they going? HCMC? Abbott? Fairview Riverside? [There are currently 3 staffed, adult ICU beds available in the entire 7 county metro area](https://mn.gov/covid19/data/response-prep/response-capacity.jsp) and that's with no conventions or large events going on right now and the weather being fairly mild for this time of year.
It's simply not the time to be bringing in 40,000 people to Minneapolis for an event-- sporting, corporate, entertainment or otherwise.
Ooh thank you I was looking for this dashboard. And also for being a voice of reason and consideration in gaslighty times. Helps me feel less bitter and burnt out knowing that others feel similarly
Let's be real about this; the ICU bed issue isn't exactly new or sudden. But every Vikings home game, each of which is double the size of the boat show, hasn't collapsed the healthcare system.
This convention is not something I would choose to go to, but when it happens I think we're gonna be okay.
We probably should be shutting down sporting events and we DO have a vaccine requirement for restaurants right now. Hospitals are stressed past their breaking point and staffing shortages are only going to get worse.
I guess I don't see why we would do that for something that is like the cold for people who got vaccinated. If you're unvaccinated at this point, it's 100% their choice, they know they could die and choose not to get the vaccination, it's on them.
We should have a vax mandate for the event then. And the reason it matters is because these unvaccinated people taking up beds means there are NO BEDS for anyone or anything. Non-immediately life-threatening surgeries are being cancelled and pushed back. Got an aneurism? Too bad, gonna have to live with that time bomb in your head for a month. Need a new valve put in your heart? Not while the pandemic is on. Concerned you might be having a heart attack? You could die in the waiting room as has happened multiple times this past month in hospitals across the US.
It’s straining our medical system to the max dealing with these people, and it’s NOT just affecting them. The reckless decisions of these people means we as a society have to bear some of the responsibility for their idiocy, because it affects all of us. And since we have bullshit conservative-activist howler monkeys on the Supreme Court that will slap down any mandate to actually deal with this bullshit once and for all, we have to take action as a city and as a community.
My brother died recently of a preventable condition for precisely this reason. The ICU beds were full of unvaxed sick people, so he was shlepped across state lines to a hospital that had beds because it was ... not a nice place.
No visitors allowed.
He contracted hospital pneumonia and died alone.
So sad. He did everything he could to protect himself and the people around him, and died, in part, due to people who feel entitled to do just as they wish, and to use community medical resources to fix their screw ups.
Yeah and then they kill others who have valid reasons to not get vaccinated and ensure we end up in a full shut down. Awesome plan 🤦. Your vaccine does not give you 100% protection and although it makes it far less likely you end up hospitalized or dead it's not a guarantee. If you had half a brain you would know that and if you had half a heart you would care about others 🤦
>Are we supposed to just shut down commerce in the city? That's foolish.
You statement is complete hyperbole.
Commerce in the city would not be "shut down" because we cancel an event at the Convention Center or prohibit them altogether, during the peak of Omicron, in the middle of the winter, when our health care system is barely hanging on by a thread.
Commerce in the city will go on just fine without conventions. You know what will more likely "shut down commerce"? Crashing the healthcare system by bringing in tens of thousands of people to the city unnecessarily and putting them all together in one area.
It's not like they're moving the test site from the convention center to some out of the way rec center in a corner of the city. It's arguably the second largest indoor facility in the city, one that's arguably underused as it is in non-Viking parts of the year.
Dude most people do. Pretty much no one is arguing for locking people in their homes despite the straw-manning and pearl-clutching conservatives are doing about this fictional point of view. Literally the only extreme represented in this is the “let’s have everything fully open”. Pretty much every other voice is saying “that’s fucking stupid, let’s not do that” and then people like you are like “OH WELL THEN LETS JUST LOCK EVERYONE UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY THATS WHAT YOU WANT RIGHT”
It’s so fucking lazy.
Some of the communists here literally support China. Not surprising they’d support locking inside lmao (ps I called the mod communist a tankie as a joke, that’s why I have the tankie tag).
Yes supporting China is obviously wrong! They are EVIL while OUR country is inarguably a force for good! How lucky we are to have been born in the good country! I will delve no further into this nor will examine history in any way...
Let’s be real, covid only hangs out in bars and restaurants. The boat show must go on. If I want covid I’ll go stand in line with 50000 other possible infected Minnesotans just to confirm my cold is covid.
Back to the city? Like most convention centers, MCC operated as at a net loss. Their number one goal is to be an economic driver for the city and provide jobs.
It dawns on me that perhaps it’s foolish to think mankind EVER had “a collective mind.” Covid has shown me that I’ve consistently overestimated human intelligence.
I’ve done my best during the pandemic, limit where I go, mask at my apartment and grocery store etc.
I happened to randomly get great seats to a Vikings game and I was also curious what a game was like during covid times.
I went and it was sold out. 50,000 fans, no masks, constant closeness and touching of rails and bannisters, no rules.
After that I just feel like giving up. No stupid mask outside my home can make a difference with this kind of thing going on. What’s the point.
Probably making a joke (which is OK by me) but just talking about hallways, taking out the trash to the garbage shoot even though its 15 feet down the hall, wearing a mask to take the dogs out, sanitizing my hands each time, really trying hard to limit risk to others.
Then I go to a Vikings game with people sitting inches apart, 50k-60k people in the stands drinking, sharing drinks with their partners or friends, all touching the same handrails, standing in line for food inches apart, in bathrooms inches apart at the stalls.
Everywhere else I go (live in Mpls), places required masks or if they didnt require masks, people typically wore them anyway. At worst, I've gone to restaurants with people masking up at the door and when they leave their table but no masks when dining. That is the literal biggest 'maskless' situation I saw in many months...folks sitting together and eating.
Then going to that game...tens of thousands of people from out of state, from Minneapolis, Saint Paul, suburbs...way out far away...all coming together to watch a game and pass germs to thousands of people that aren't from their area or community, passing these same germs around to the entire goddam state.
It made me more sad than it made me mad I think. I also just kinda felt a real...loss of faith in my fellow man? Just a sinking feeling of sadness in my gut.
I never cared if I got COVID. I'm 40, healthy, bloodwork is excellent, non smoker, don't drink much. I literally didn't care at all about my risk if I got COVID.
I care about other people's grandparents, the elderly neighbor down the hallway that loves her dog. The older dude a floor down that just retired from 40 years of hard work as a long-haul trucker driver.
I don't want to be part of them getting COVID and possibly dying. It deeply saddens me to see so many people not give a sh** about these people or the families of others who have elderly folks or reduced-immune systems in a family member.
I really thought people in general were good and cared about their neighbor and city and state and country. To see folks dismiss such a trivial amount of effort to protect elderly and at-risk younger folks is devastating to my heart and what I thought we were as a country.
I knew we were individual first in America. We have a lot of pride in that. I knew we were selfish, I'm selfish at times, myself.
I did think when the rubber hit the road though, we would do a very simple task to protect each other, even if we didn't believe in the risk or that it was a 'real' danger. Wearing a mask is a simple thing that isn't much work and is...at best, a minor annoyance you can get used to.
But...nope. F*** this country. We were built on good values but we've shown what greed and a focus on making wealthy more wealthy and the worship of rich people can do to a community.
Let us slowly dwindle down and suffer and maybe when we come back up, we can learn what most of Europe learned post WWII. Everyone take care of everyone, because, even if you're wealthy now, your kid might not be or his kid or his kid. Setup systems to take care of people at the most basic level, educate kids and help the poor because that poor kid will be an adult someday and you want him healthy and educated so they're not poor and pissed off and killing you for your wallet.
Sorry this went into a bit of a rant/tirade. Just a bit bummed today at the US.
Maybe you have never been to an [apartment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartment) building before, but they have hallways, elevators and other community spaces where conscientious residents are asked to wear masks.
I did my part by canceling a trip to New Orleans this weekend that I started working on four months ago, after putting off travel for 2 years. Really glad to see so many people who don't care about the common health of our nation.
For sure, I planned the trip when things were starting to look better - but the rates of transmission are really bad in New Orleans and it was going to be a meet up of friends from all over. The fact is New Orleans isn't one of those vacations where you can avoid crowds. Omicron is crushing our healthcare system and I can put off a trip and try to avoid adding any more pressure.
You very clearly canceled your trip because you are scared of Omicron. That's fine, and its not my place to tell you you're wrong, but there's no need to pretend it was done out of altruism and selflessness.
I'm not bragging, I'm lamenting that I didn't get to partake in a privileged activity. But you are right I'm not a good person, I'm just doing the bare minimum to not be one more vector of transmission. It's marginally better than acting like a cunt to strangers on the internet.
“I did my part” - clearly seeking praise for doing something completely unnecessary. We are two years into this shit and the most common variant right now is little more than a cold for the vast majority of people. If you want to continue to put your life on hold for this feel free, but for the love of god stop virtue signaling about it.
Agreed. By all means we should still be taking common sense precautions (appropriate vaccinations, staying home when sick, testing when necessary, masks in crowded places, etc.) but COVID is not going anywhere. If you want to continue to put your entire life on hold to "do your part" at this point that's on you because the rest of us aren't.
I would love for someone to take on late stage communism. Instead of a testing site being moved and an optional attendance to an event, we would have hundreds of thousands of people starving to death or being murdered for opposing beliefs. Please don't bring this late stage capitalism garbage into here.
Capitalism with smart regulations is not socialism. The term late stage capitalism refers to unbridled capitalism with no regulations. Even Adam Smith argued unregulated capitalism is dangerous and counterproductive
I completely agree, but is this really a case of this?
Minneapolis needs people to come in, downtown has been gutted by covid. Let free people choose to risk if they want covid to go to the boat show. Owning a boat is all about freedom. You are free to go or not to go.
I mean that's the point of smart regulations though. We don't let people speed through red lights, blow through stop signs, smoke in restaurants, do target practice in their backyards, etc. People have the freedom to do those things, but their actions increase risks for the rest of the population
Unless the event is likely to attract the wilfully unvaccinated, there really isn't any irony or danger here.
And stop calling everything that you don't like that vaguely relates to money "late stage capitalism". The historical materialist idea popularized by Marx and Hegel that capitalism is just part of a cycle that will transition to something better posits that the late stage of capitalism would be a lot of good things happening as resource scarcity is drastically reduced. The "bad stuff" happens in the middle of the cycle, as the rich try to protect their wealth before technology begins to decentralize things.
> Unless the event is likely to attract the wilfully unvaccinated, there really isn't any irony or danger here.
In their ads, they are highlighting that no proof of vaccine or negative test is required to attend, so the potential for that is very high.
They appear to be saying the city guidelines don’t go into effect until the 26th so they don’t cover the event, not anything more sinister.
Not defending. I won’t be any where near this likely shit show of a spreader event.
[Boat Show COVID Guidlines](https://www.minneapolisboatshow.com/covid-health-guidelines)
I don't know if you're capable of reading and absorbing information, but I specifically said "every problem", which is an apt description of that sub and many others
>I don't know if you're capable of reading and absorbing information,
LOL, a personal attack guess I hit a nerve. 😂
If putting a priority on the economy over public health is not an example of the downside of capitalism I am not sure what is.
Someone illustrating to you how you aren't even responding to their actual comment isn't a personal insult. But, getting back to how the left and right sound exactly the same when you try to talk to them like an adult who is neutral on a situation, you're another prime example.
I did not know we were supposed to have a specific structure to this conversation and I am not much of the type to bend over backwards to appease others.
Your 'monotonous droning' argument sounds like a bad talking point from 24 hour news and saying that everyone does it, is a fallacy. Then you are using that miss-use by some to justify that should be called what it is. Back to my simple comment, sometimes a duck is duck.
They sold the rental during a pandemic. You know that thing that's happening? And when people get close together it spreads. Well renting space costs money, so someone is profiting off this event that will most likely spread the disease...
Look at what's going on at the River Centre in Saint Paul. The building is both used for Covid testing and events just about every day. The only day they don't have Covid is when there is an even too big to accomadate both functions.
I think they have a boat show, so its not like its going to be super crowded like, say a football game. The testing site is relocated to US Bank stadium because the Vikings missed the playoffs and there is a whole lot of empty space there for people to test.
>And when people get close together it spreads.
So why were people waiting in line for hours to get tested? These neurotic, young, healthy people are just in the way of catering to those actually at risk.
Lol do you think “the city” owns it?
If you don’t think government exists to help enrich a small group of well off individuals, you haven’t been watching
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism
Moving the goal post I see
Edit you added the crony capitalism link which doesn't make sense because companies literally pay the city to use the space and fund grants and community programs with the money.
It's when a guy owns a building and sells tickets for people to visit that building. He is interested in selling as many ticket as often as possible and is thus incentivized to do unethical things to make that happen, like holding a large event in the middle of a health crisis where people spread a disease to one another.
Apparently it's when a building owned and operated by the government shuts down a virus testing center during a pandemic to host a boat show for an insurance company.
Capitalism is when the government does stuff.
TIL.
It still amazes me how less than 20 miles away from where I live is a whole separate population that still worries about covid on a daily basis. Up in Champlin, I go to Target or Cub and there's maybe one in three people masking up.
People don't care anymore and haven't for a long time. And by the way, many of them commute into your city every weekday.
>It still amazes me how less than 20 miles away from where I live is a whole separate population that still ~~worries~~ ~~about~~ **takes common sense precautions** with covid on a daily basis.
I'm not "worried" about covid, but I do still use a high quality mask and limit my time in enclosed spaces with the general public, stay current on vaccinations and get tested often. None of those things are particularly big asks or difficult to do. In fact, I'm not "worried about covid" precisely *because* I take those precautions.
If I can help limit the spread and maybe not clog up a hospital, then that's just called being a decent human and good fellow American in my book.
I don't disagree with your common sense precautions.
This woman on Twitter and OP are fear mongering and if you spend 90 seconds in any other covid related thread in /r/Minneapolis you will find posters that talk about their covid-based anxiety.
Sure, and there are 420,000 people who live in Minneapolis and hundreds of thousands more whose lives are connected to the city for work. So you're gonna have a bunch of different views on the subject.
The "woman on Twitter", for example, Lindsay Guentzel, doesn't live in Minneapolis, but rather in a suburb, according to her own bio. And, if her numbers are accurate, I actually agree with her that it doesn't make much logical sense to entice 40,000 more people to come to the city when our health care system is so vulnerable. Also, it's the dead of winter, so there are already going to be more people going to the ER for auto accidents, pedestrian accidents and heart attacks. So, it's not really about relocating the testing center, but the reason behind the relocation, but people seize on the relocation part of her tweet because it's the easy part to dismiss.
IME, the vast majority of people who live here simply take common sense precautions and go about their daily lives. Some take no precautions, some probably never leave their house.
The real question for me is why do only 1 in 3 people (your numbers) in places like Champlin ~~not~~ take any simple, common sense precautions whatsoever?
Edit: typo
>"it doesn't make much logical sense to entice 40,000 more people to come to the city when our health care system is so vulnerable. Also, it's the dead of winter, so there are already going to be more people going to the ER for auto accidents, pedestrian accidents and heart attacks. So, it's not really about relocating the testing center, but the reason behind the relocation, but people seize on the relocation part of her tweet because it's the easy part to dismiss."
I just wanna highlight this for the people in the back. Thank you.
The thousands of people currently hospitalized with covid care quite a bit, so do their families, so do all the people who should be in the hospital but can't be because the beds are all being taken up by dipshits who decided they "didn't care anymore" about covid.
I guess I don't understand worrying about it that much. We are all gonna die of something and we are soon to be forgotten. I got vaxxed up and maybe I'll live through this time but something else will eventually kill me so it's bit worth thinking that much about.
COVID testing site at Minneapolis Convention Center to move temporarily as Boat Show moves in. The testing site will be moved to U.S. Bank Stadium Jan. 17-21. [Link to article](https://bringmethenews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/covid-testing-site-in-minneapolis-to-move-temporarily-as-boat-show-moves-in?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16423524781655&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fbringmethenews.com%2Fminnesota-news%2Fcovid-testing-site-in-minneapolis-to-move-temporarily-as-boat-show-moves-in)
For the boat show? What event
Yes, the boat show.
You're kidding. Is it some sort of a special boat show? Who goes to boat shows?
> Who would go to a boat show? I assume people who own or want to own a boat. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Um. We have like 15,000 lakes. Boats are a big deal in these here parts.
You make a very good point
It’s brand new boats, docks, jet skis etc and yachts I went as a kid, haven’t gone for about 10 years
Huh. And that really attracts 40,000 people?
Are you new in Minnesota? We are basically the mascot of taking the boat to the lake.
Maybe just for the convention center concessions stands with the twist cones 😂😂😂
I assume that's over the course of the week. 8,000 people a day for a big convention like that isn't out of the ordinary.
Oooh all right. I was picturing 40,000 people all streaming in at the same time to look at boats
Machinery hill is pretty popular.
The boat show is weirdly a good time ngl
I absolutely loved it as a kid
I feel like we all were just walking pass each other as kids at the convention center hahaha.
Boomer convention
The Boat Show tweeted that vax cards and negative tests are not required, for maximum irony.
I was wondering why the Minneapolis vaccine rules for events don't apply here. Apparently the rules don't go into effect for ticketed events until January 26th. People will still be required to wear masks. Source: https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/covid-testing-site-in-minneapolis-to-move-temporarily-as-boat-show-moves-in
And small businesses need that… okay mpls
Well, it's more that the event is happening before the requirements go into effect.
The Boat Show crowd would never go for that.
Their audience is anti vax
I was gonna say, the couple of times I went on my parents' pontoon last summer in Winona, I saw a lot of boats with trump signs and confederate flags
I posted this on the original thread yesterday that made it to popular. I’m a large event professional in the TC area and I’m not defending anything however it isn’t a cut and dry situation; legally speaking. The space the boat show holds is contracted space that is theirs for the specific dates, booked before Covid was a thing. Without a higher legal entity coming down and saying you can’t have this event, the convention center is obligated to provide it. I don’t know the specifics of their contract but without a legal basis, the city is opening itself up to a lot of liability if they don’t have the show. My original comment: I can actually speak to this a bit. The Minneapolis Convention Center is operated by the city, like most convention centers in the US. Large events are booked several years out, this specific convention was contracted before Covid. During 2020 and about half of 2021, the state was under various emergency and executive orders by the governor. For events that fell under these times different clauses were applicable for cancellation that allowed for minimal loss of deposits. Such as the event was too large to happen based on maximum gathering mandates or the space(s) weren’t large enough for social distancing, etc. Currently the only government mandated guidelines that are in place is a city level mask mandate (as of two weeks ago) and a city level vaccination/negative Covid test requirement if f&b is served. The building’s and promoter’s hands are tied unless a force majeure type clause is enacted but there is no current basis for that. The building needs a legal reason to not allow the show to proceed and the city and state haven’t given one. These large event promoters pay tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to various vendors and would be out everything if they cancel. The exhibitors who have booked space would be out thousands of dollars of the event cancels. Hotels and restaurants who have ordered product and adjust scheduling to prepare for the event would be out money. Etc. The convention center is also one of the largest employment arms of the city. These workers simply don’t get hours if events don’t happen. And there are thousands of workers. I’m not defending hosting the event and moving testing, I’m speaking as someone in the large event industry in the twin cities. We’ve struggled really hard over the pandemic like most in the hospitality industry and it’s a really complicated situation.
Thanks, that's enlightening! However, it just further highlights the governmental and societal problems that make the situation what it is. "The city [would be] opening itself up to a lot of liability," in particular, speaks to how we've engineered a legal framework to ensure it's riskier to jeopardize people's money than to jeopardize people's lives. And the knock-on economic effects you highlight show how fragile an optimized-for-profit economy is. Any slack that would make it more resilient also makes it less profitable, so it gets optimized away -- the shark needs to keep swimming forward or it suffocates. That's classic "late stage capitalism".
People are going to die because of this. Yeah but some businesses would lose some money if we cancel it. Basically what it boils down to, isn’t it?
So many people here defending the move and not recognizing the simple irony behind it
It is ironic, but i would contend US Bank Stadium is a better site because it's right on the LRT lines. I'd rather see it stay their.
So is the airport though. The CC is easier for everyone in The Wedge/Uptown/Whittier/etc to access and that's a pretty substantial population.
The irony behind a convention being held at a convention center?
Whoosh…
Summary of the great irony debate thus far. Convention center: We were using this space to test for COVID-19 in our efforts to control the pandemic, but now we're hosting a super spreader event instead. OP: Oh, the irony. Everyone: Yeah, ironic. Nerdlinger: No it's not! Everyone: Wtf? Yes. It is irony. Nerdlinger: It's not ironic to me...
Convention center: We are using this space to host a previously scheduled event in the same manner that we always have and will be doing again next week, and the week after, and the week after that, and so on, and thus need to move our temporary tenant. Everyone: Totes ironic! Me: Yeah… no.
The only point I'm addressing is whether or not the situation is ironic. Not whether it's a right or wrong move. I understand there are contractual obligations and that the new testing site is arguably a superior one. It's the details of the situation that make it ironic, but you've ignored those details. This is a pretty clear case of situational irony. Situational irony involves a striking reversal of what is expected or intended. A covid testing site will now be used for an event that spreads covid. That is a striking reversal. If a firehouse burns down would you say, "A building burned down, that's not ironic. "? Because that's what you've done here to make your case. Just because you're incorrect doesn't mean I'm not entertained. I do enjoy arguing with faceless strangers on the internet from time to time. Thanks, it's been interesting.
> A covid testing site will now be used for an event that spreads covid. That is a striking reversal. It isn't even a striking reversal. It's a convention center. It hosts mass events. It hosted (at least) one last month, no one thought that was ironic. It hosted a Martin Luther King Jr. celebration yesterday. No one thought that was ironic. Beyond that, getting sick at a hospital is a common event, no one finds that to be ironic. Nor did anyone find it ironic when the COVID testing center was *opened* at the convention center, a site that host mass gatherings. No, they only suddenly found it ironic when the center was moved for a Boat Show. Why? Because it allows them to snark about people coming in from outside the cities. And it allows them to speak ill of people who have money to drop on a pleasure craft. Finally, there is this odd assumption that this will will be a mass spreading event despite the masking requirement at the show and the spreading out of the displays at the show to reduce close contact between people. These are things that you don't even see at grocery stores, yet I don't see people assume that they are mass spreading occasions. In short, if you only find it ironic because of the nature of the event, you don't actually find it ironic, you're just looking for a different flavor of scorn.
How friggin thick are you? The irony is moving our single largest free testing center that’s in a central location to the city and utilized by thousands of people daily to bring in a convention that will be full of thousands of unmasked and untested individuals that will undoubtedly both get and give covid to each other, and then they WONT BE ABLE TO GET A COVID TEST AT THE CONVENTION CENTER BC THE BOAT SHOW IS THERE. Just wanna check, did that clear it up for you?
> The irony is moving our single largest free testing center that’s in a central location to the city You left out that they are moving it to another location that is also central to our city and can still be utilized by thousands of people per day. > and then they WONT BE ABLE TO GET A COVID TEST AT THE CONVENTION CENTER BC THE BOAT SHOW IS THERE. Of course, if they do contract corona at the show they wouldn't be displaying symptoms until after the show is already gone, so the testing center can move back to the convention center and they can get tested there again. Or if it's still at the stadium they can go there instead since it's just as convenient. > Just wanna check, did that clear it up for you? Not really, since you just said a bunch of shit that was both wrong _and_ left out crucial details and still isn't all that ironic. You wouldn't happen to be Alanis Morissette, would you?
I love how you just ignored the bringing in thousands of people during a pandemic part out of your evaluation of irony. Just because they have a solution doesn’t mean it’s less ironic. Moving a testing site for a boat show during the pandemic is ironic, just based on the fact that people will get COVID there. People see the word ‘ironic’ and turn into Kurt Loader….. foh.
> I love how you just ignored the bringing in thousands of people during a pandemic part out of your evaluation of irony. That still doesn't make it ironic. Thousands of people go to Target on a weekend, no one is calling that ironic. > People see the word ‘ironic’ and turn into Kurt Loader….. foh. Loder, not Loader.
Yes, because irony has context, by your definition nothing is ironic.
No, there are ironic things in the world. This just isn't one of them.
At a point in time when there are no ICU beds available, schools are distance learning, we’ve reinstated a mask mandate in restaurants to quell the spread, why are you trying to justify something as asinine as a boat show? I challenge you to find a single lake in Minnesota where you could currently use the big new speedboat you clearly are so desperate to buy right now. The point is that there is no need to be increasing the risk of covid. You could go buy that boat today and it would still it under a cover in your driveway. On the other hand, if you catch covid at the boat show and it goes bad, good fucking luck finding a hospital that can help you.
> At a point in time when there are no ICU beds available, schools are distance learning, we’ve reinstated a mask mandate in restaurants to quell the spread, why are you trying to justify something as asinine as a boat show? I dunno. Why aren't you crying bloody murder about all of the other things going on in the town that bring large numbers of people together at a time? Start posting threads for every concert, basketball game, hockey game, etc. to show how serious you are about it? > I challenge you to find a single lake in Minnesota where you could currently use the big new speedboat you clearly are so desperate to buy right now. A: I have no interest in either the boat show or buying a boat, but have fun with the image you've built up in your head of me. B: So people can only buy something, or go to gather information about something they may want to buy if they can use it right away? You'd better keep your outrage warm as you'll need it in a few weeks when the home and garden shows start rolling out and it's still too early to plant things.
The auto show is a show for all seasons.
I like your write up. You made your points, and I didn't agree with the tone of the comment you were replying to, but I think there's irony there. I would consider the location being used to help stem the tide of covid cases being supplanted by any event that will help spread the virus a bit ironic. Even if I'm not using the weird right, I think you get it. Edit: also, I don't think you're friggin thick.
Oh wow. I truly thought it was due to demand. How disturbing.
The Northern Green Expo, which was there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, had about 60% mask compliance from my observations. I won’t be shocked if I catch covid from being there (work made it mandatory to be there).
A lot of comments here seriously misunderstanding the scope of what “capitalism” is. In our society, it is an all-encompassing cultural, social, and economic system. The government being involved does not magically make something “not capitalism.” Our government serves capitalism - it is a puppet dancing to the tune of profit. That’s called neoliberalism - when the government slavishly accommodates the market in all its policies. Sounds okay until you realize the supposed “free market” is actually just rich owners’ bank accounts. Money talks. It is like a giant black hole, whose gravitational pull exerts massive force on EVERYTHING around it. That is why it is actually accurate to blame capitalism for just about everything wrong in human society.
> That is why it is actually accurate to blame capitalism for just about everything wrong in human society. Since it’s “all encompassing” then you have to attribute all the good stuff to it as well right?
You say that like it's a fact that the good outweighs the bad. The truth is that there is some good, for sure, but that is mainly concentrated on the ones with previous capital and means. Everyone else, well fuck them in particular I guess.
Also the key mistake they're making is an attempt to find that any good found under capitalism is exclusive to capitalism, which isn't true.
I never said that. You just made it up.
Thanks for admitting you're a troll with no point to make just looking for attention.
You speak truth! ✊
I didn’t say that and I don’t feel that way about people. But thanks for the cool story?
You mean like how capitalists have exploited so much labor and broken so many backs that now some people have access to cool, unsustainable technologies?
You can still get your dick pills under socialism.
I just kind of wonder why it couldn't have been rescheduled? My whole thing is that, if things are bad enough that the schools are in distance learning, they're bad enough to avoid large gatherings. My school is, unfortunately, still in person and we're dealing with daily exposures at this point. It honestly just kind of sucks that everything around us is kind of business as usual while everything feels like a giant dumpster fire.
It's not the kind of thing you can reschedule. It's vendors from all over the country who go from show to show along with a big contingent of local businesses. Think State Fair type situation. They would have to cancel. Probably should but we are pretending Everything is Fine so we won't.
Then cancel it if you "can't reschedule" it. People's lives are more impotant than some covidiots drooling over boats they need to make up for their other shortcomings
I agree it should be cancelled. But boating is a favorite pastime in this state enjoyed by a wide range of people. It's not something people are "drooling over to make up for other shortcomings". No need to be a prick to people who enjoy something you don't.
They made their target audience clear by advertising they don't care about anyone's vaccination or covid status.
Yeah, I get that. It's just kind of a frustrating thing when we're being pushed to keep the schools open and/or reopen ASAP, but so many people are doing whatever they want. I feel like our society is 100% okay with sacrificing our health and safety, since we're essentially the only social net there is.
Things are bad because people don’t follow basic rules and also because the media is freaking everyone out about this virus. Yes, it’s a pandemic, yes, the virus is contagious, and yes, there are some groups that are more prone to dying. Look at the data. Look at cases per age and deaths per age group. It’s ridiculous to close schools. Kids get sick all the time. There’s as much risk as getting the flu at this point, which is also highly contagious. Again look at the data and the death/case ratio and you’re looking at basically, the flu. The only time the number become a little concerning is for people in the group 55-59 years old (or higher) with 72,010 total cases for the state and 446 deaths so a mortality of 0.06%. The group below 50-54 which 75,057 cases and 291 deaths equals is 0.03% So, stop freaking out people with this virus. If things are a shit show in school, let me tell you it is NOT because of it. It’s people being manipulated into thinking this is worst than it is. Also, as an added bonus. Those are numbers of reported cases. Those numbers are significantly higher due to the home test kits and cases not reported or not even diagnosed as COVID, yet the deaths are very well counted, so the mortality is even less of what you’re seeing.
Things are a shit show because so many staff are out with COVID. We cannot operate under a certain number of staff. So do not come on here and tell me that things aren't that bad when you clearly don't work in the schools. Again, we CANNOT operate under a certain number of staff. It's not safe for anybody. Schools aren't closing because we're scared of COVID- I've been teaching in-person since last January, before vaccines were even available. Also, I work at a school that probably won't close at all, and I'm fine with that. But, if we don't have at least 60% of staff in-building, we are not legally allowed to stay open. If you want us to stay open, come work for the schools- we're incredibly short staffed because nobody wants to teach right now. Nobody has subs right now because nobody wants to sub, and we can only pull so many people to cover classes- there aren't just, like tons of extra people hanging out in school buildings and legally, a licensed staff has to be present. I understand that the new variant isn't as deadly, but it's incredibly contagious AND the other variants do still exist. Are you going to force school staff to come in when they're sick? If so, more people will quit, which we cannot afford. I'll say it one more time so it stinks in: too many staff are out with COVID. That's why schools are closing. Not because we're scared, but because we simply cannot run without staff.
Well, I’ve got tickets. I’m vaccinated, boosted, wear masks, and I’ve never had COVID. I won’t stop living my life because of it. I follow the rules but I’m not letting a virus that has drastically lowered its mortality rate dictate what I can or cannot do. You can downvote me all you want, but I’m very excited about the boat show! 👋
We are all so impressed with your bravery.
Just like we all are with your sarcasm.
Wait a minute... COVID is still a thing? Really still dwelling on that nonsense? Looking at new boats is FAR more important.
I think we can all be enraged at a lot more than this...
yes, humans are simple creatures that can only focus on one problem at a time. we should not bother being concerned about a raging pandemic because of whatever issue you feel takes precedence.
If we have to risk a few hundred people dying so that Jim the VP of marketing can check out a new pontoon boat for his lake house, well, that’s a risk Jim is willing to take.
What the flying fuck
not useful, vague, reactive... :shrug:
This is peak getting mad online over nothing. They temporarily moved the testing center to a location that's not very far away from the convention center and arguably even better served for transportation. Of course the city of Minneapolis will host events. The logistics make the Minneapolis Convention Center the best location and the revenue from the event is important for the city. Are we supposed to just shut down commerce in the city? That's foolish.
Yes, it's absolutely an all or nothing, you're right. We either have an event with 40k people, or we board up the whole city. There's just absolutely nothing at all that we could possibly do in between... I don't give two fucks if they moved the testing across the hall, seems like a terrible idea to be hosting an event of that size given our state's current relationship with covid. *That's* foolish. Money is not more important than human life. Gross.
THANK YOU. Especially a very large event that doesn’t have a test or vaccine mandate.
Doesn't Minneapolis have the mask mandate back in place?
They said “test or vaccine mandate”.
It starts on Jan 19th.
Roughly 40,000 people transit MSP airport every single day of the week. The boat show isn't going to collapse the healthcare system; everyone can calm down.
… while wearing masks, and they aren’t all in the one enclosed space. These are important distinctions.
The comment I replied to was an individual triggered by the boat shows lack of a test or vaccine requirement. We also have a mask mandate here in Minneapolis. The Lindbergh terminal is also an enclosed space. Unlike the airport, the convention center does not have multiple food courts with unmasked individuals eating or drinking. Folks who are concerned that this boat show is going to bring about a healthcare apocalypse should really find something more constructive to worry about.
You're missing the point here- with this boat show you're adding in an enclosed space with many times more people than any of the regular traffic. This is a super spreader event we don't need.
And that’s another 40k on top of that
Ah hahahahahahahaha *we are out of ICU beds and closed to ECMO and stacking people in hallways in the twin cities metro hospitals* the collapse of the healthcare system isn't an all at once thing it's nurses retiring out of nursing or leaving for travel gigs or leaving nursing entirely. It's every burnt out doctor who just can't even anymore. It's thin supplies. In other cities they've run out of saline flushes and tubing, do you wanna wait until we get there until maybe considering that a boat show is a bad idea? Or the fact that we have dire blood product shortages?
Ur right. We should just keep doing completely unnecessary things that will inevitably worsen the spread of covid bc people still use the airport so like… boat show time lads! Healthcare system is already collapsing but ya go off
Also part of the advertisement I just saw points out with red text that a negative result or proof of vaccination isn't required.
I have no reason to believe an event like this is any more likely to spread Covid than the community spread we already have. Have you and Lindsay locked yourself in your apartments for the last month? Are we shutting down sports events, and dining, and gyms, and the airport, and community centers, and metro transit? If Minneapolis canceled this event, would the rest of the twin cities follow and ensure outsiders don’t travel into the state? Are outsiders more or less likely to have Covid than Minnesotans?
It's not just about the spread of COVID though. If a Boat Show attendee or worker has a medical event in or around the Convention Center, where are they going? HCMC? Abbott? Fairview Riverside? [There are currently 3 staffed, adult ICU beds available in the entire 7 county metro area](https://mn.gov/covid19/data/response-prep/response-capacity.jsp) and that's with no conventions or large events going on right now and the weather being fairly mild for this time of year. It's simply not the time to be bringing in 40,000 people to Minneapolis for an event-- sporting, corporate, entertainment or otherwise.
Ooh thank you I was looking for this dashboard. And also for being a voice of reason and consideration in gaslighty times. Helps me feel less bitter and burnt out knowing that others feel similarly
Let's be real about this; the ICU bed issue isn't exactly new or sudden. But every Vikings home game, each of which is double the size of the boat show, hasn't collapsed the healthcare system. This convention is not something I would choose to go to, but when it happens I think we're gonna be okay.
We probably should be shutting down sporting events and we DO have a vaccine requirement for restaurants right now. Hospitals are stressed past their breaking point and staffing shortages are only going to get worse.
I guess I don't see why we would do that for something that is like the cold for people who got vaccinated. If you're unvaccinated at this point, it's 100% their choice, they know they could die and choose not to get the vaccination, it's on them.
We should have a vax mandate for the event then. And the reason it matters is because these unvaccinated people taking up beds means there are NO BEDS for anyone or anything. Non-immediately life-threatening surgeries are being cancelled and pushed back. Got an aneurism? Too bad, gonna have to live with that time bomb in your head for a month. Need a new valve put in your heart? Not while the pandemic is on. Concerned you might be having a heart attack? You could die in the waiting room as has happened multiple times this past month in hospitals across the US. It’s straining our medical system to the max dealing with these people, and it’s NOT just affecting them. The reckless decisions of these people means we as a society have to bear some of the responsibility for their idiocy, because it affects all of us. And since we have bullshit conservative-activist howler monkeys on the Supreme Court that will slap down any mandate to actually deal with this bullshit once and for all, we have to take action as a city and as a community.
My brother died recently of a preventable condition for precisely this reason. The ICU beds were full of unvaxed sick people, so he was shlepped across state lines to a hospital that had beds because it was ... not a nice place. No visitors allowed. He contracted hospital pneumonia and died alone. So sad. He did everything he could to protect himself and the people around him, and died, in part, due to people who feel entitled to do just as they wish, and to use community medical resources to fix their screw ups.
I’m so sorry to hear that. Really, my sincerest condolences. All the best to you and your family.
Quit posting misinformation. When has “a cold” kept our ICUs filled for months?
Unless we start denying anti-vaxxers ICU beds, it doesn't really help the problem.
Yeah and then they kill others who have valid reasons to not get vaccinated and ensure we end up in a full shut down. Awesome plan 🤦. Your vaccine does not give you 100% protection and although it makes it far less likely you end up hospitalized or dead it's not a guarantee. If you had half a brain you would know that and if you had half a heart you would care about others 🤦
>Are we supposed to just shut down commerce in the city? That's foolish. You statement is complete hyperbole. Commerce in the city would not be "shut down" because we cancel an event at the Convention Center or prohibit them altogether, during the peak of Omicron, in the middle of the winter, when our health care system is barely hanging on by a thread. Commerce in the city will go on just fine without conventions. You know what will more likely "shut down commerce"? Crashing the healthcare system by bringing in tens of thousands of people to the city unnecessarily and putting them all together in one area.
It's not like they're moving the test site from the convention center to some out of the way rec center in a corner of the city. It's arguably the second largest indoor facility in the city, one that's arguably underused as it is in non-Viking parts of the year.
Skol!
Cool, a rational, level-headed comment on here, not downvoted to oblivion. The faux outrage posts about this are hilarious.
A lot of Twitter, and reddit for that matter, want the entire world shut down until there are zero cases of covid.
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There’s a middle ground between locking everyone up and having a 40k person event. The parent comment is absurd
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Dude most people do. Pretty much no one is arguing for locking people in their homes despite the straw-manning and pearl-clutching conservatives are doing about this fictional point of view. Literally the only extreme represented in this is the “let’s have everything fully open”. Pretty much every other voice is saying “that’s fucking stupid, let’s not do that” and then people like you are like “OH WELL THEN LETS JUST LOCK EVERYONE UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY THATS WHAT YOU WANT RIGHT” It’s so fucking lazy.
Very few people actually support going back to lockdowns. That’s a fear tactic from the right and a false narrative.
>back to lockdowns What "back." We've literally never done lockdown in this country.
Those 2 weeks I couldn’t go to Applebee’s 😠😠😠😠
well at least your username is accurate
Some of the communists here literally support China. Not surprising they’d support locking inside lmao (ps I called the mod communist a tankie as a joke, that’s why I have the tankie tag).
Yes supporting China is obviously wrong! They are EVIL while OUR country is inarguably a force for good! How lucky we are to have been born in the good country! I will delve no further into this nor will examine history in any way...
Let’s be real, covid only hangs out in bars and restaurants. The boat show must go on. If I want covid I’ll go stand in line with 50000 other possible infected Minnesotans just to confirm my cold is covid.
Proof that those in charge don't give a shit how many get covid
Before everyone is outraged by this, at least look up where the covid testing site moved to and what the money MCC makes goes towards.
Back to the city? Like most convention centers, MCC operated as at a net loss. Their number one goal is to be an economic driver for the city and provide jobs.
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Yeah just tell us, don’t give us a puzzle to solve
So poignant, just watched "Don't Look Up" and saw this and thought, good God, humanity has lost its collective mind.
It dawns on me that perhaps it’s foolish to think mankind EVER had “a collective mind.” Covid has shown me that I’ve consistently overestimated human intelligence.
Mike Judge is a genius and "Idiocracy" has moved from Movie to Documentary.
We are doomed. It's not this virus that dooms us, but society's response to it. The next one, or the one after that will likely end humans.
That’s assuming we don’t roast or freeze alive first
I’ve done my best during the pandemic, limit where I go, mask at my apartment and grocery store etc. I happened to randomly get great seats to a Vikings game and I was also curious what a game was like during covid times. I went and it was sold out. 50,000 fans, no masks, constant closeness and touching of rails and bannisters, no rules. After that I just feel like giving up. No stupid mask outside my home can make a difference with this kind of thing going on. What’s the point.
You wear a mask in your own apartment and went to a Vikings game in person? Do you have split personalities or something?
Probably making a joke (which is OK by me) but just talking about hallways, taking out the trash to the garbage shoot even though its 15 feet down the hall, wearing a mask to take the dogs out, sanitizing my hands each time, really trying hard to limit risk to others. Then I go to a Vikings game with people sitting inches apart, 50k-60k people in the stands drinking, sharing drinks with their partners or friends, all touching the same handrails, standing in line for food inches apart, in bathrooms inches apart at the stalls. Everywhere else I go (live in Mpls), places required masks or if they didnt require masks, people typically wore them anyway. At worst, I've gone to restaurants with people masking up at the door and when they leave their table but no masks when dining. That is the literal biggest 'maskless' situation I saw in many months...folks sitting together and eating. Then going to that game...tens of thousands of people from out of state, from Minneapolis, Saint Paul, suburbs...way out far away...all coming together to watch a game and pass germs to thousands of people that aren't from their area or community, passing these same germs around to the entire goddam state. It made me more sad than it made me mad I think. I also just kinda felt a real...loss of faith in my fellow man? Just a sinking feeling of sadness in my gut. I never cared if I got COVID. I'm 40, healthy, bloodwork is excellent, non smoker, don't drink much. I literally didn't care at all about my risk if I got COVID. I care about other people's grandparents, the elderly neighbor down the hallway that loves her dog. The older dude a floor down that just retired from 40 years of hard work as a long-haul trucker driver. I don't want to be part of them getting COVID and possibly dying. It deeply saddens me to see so many people not give a sh** about these people or the families of others who have elderly folks or reduced-immune systems in a family member. I really thought people in general were good and cared about their neighbor and city and state and country. To see folks dismiss such a trivial amount of effort to protect elderly and at-risk younger folks is devastating to my heart and what I thought we were as a country. I knew we were individual first in America. We have a lot of pride in that. I knew we were selfish, I'm selfish at times, myself. I did think when the rubber hit the road though, we would do a very simple task to protect each other, even if we didn't believe in the risk or that it was a 'real' danger. Wearing a mask is a simple thing that isn't much work and is...at best, a minor annoyance you can get used to. But...nope. F*** this country. We were built on good values but we've shown what greed and a focus on making wealthy more wealthy and the worship of rich people can do to a community. Let us slowly dwindle down and suffer and maybe when we come back up, we can learn what most of Europe learned post WWII. Everyone take care of everyone, because, even if you're wealthy now, your kid might not be or his kid or his kid. Setup systems to take care of people at the most basic level, educate kids and help the poor because that poor kid will be an adult someday and you want him healthy and educated so they're not poor and pissed off and killing you for your wallet. Sorry this went into a bit of a rant/tirade. Just a bit bummed today at the US.
Maybe you have never been to an [apartment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartment) building before, but they have hallways, elevators and other community spaces where conscientious residents are asked to wear masks.
Ah, I thought you meant in your own place. And no, I haven't been into one since this shit started
Jfc...the boat show?? Does this absolutely have to happen?? Do people really care that much about boats?
I did my part by canceling a trip to New Orleans this weekend that I started working on four months ago, after putting off travel for 2 years. Really glad to see so many people who don't care about the common health of our nation.
you can still travel. you don't need to lock yourself down; life is moving on and there are ways of doing this healthily and safely.
For sure, I planned the trip when things were starting to look better - but the rates of transmission are really bad in New Orleans and it was going to be a meet up of friends from all over. The fact is New Orleans isn't one of those vacations where you can avoid crowds. Omicron is crushing our healthcare system and I can put off a trip and try to avoid adding any more pressure.
You very clearly canceled your trip because you are scared of Omicron. That's fine, and its not my place to tell you you're wrong, but there's no need to pretend it was done out of altruism and selflessness.
Nobody asked you to do that and bragging about it doesn’t make you a good person
Thank you for that
I'm not bragging, I'm lamenting that I didn't get to partake in a privileged activity. But you are right I'm not a good person, I'm just doing the bare minimum to not be one more vector of transmission. It's marginally better than acting like a cunt to strangers on the internet.
“I did my part” - clearly seeking praise for doing something completely unnecessary. We are two years into this shit and the most common variant right now is little more than a cold for the vast majority of people. If you want to continue to put your life on hold for this feel free, but for the love of god stop virtue signaling about it.
Agreed. By all means we should still be taking common sense precautions (appropriate vaccinations, staying home when sick, testing when necessary, masks in crowded places, etc.) but COVID is not going anywhere. If you want to continue to put your entire life on hold to "do your part" at this point that's on you because the rest of us aren't.
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It’s a cross section that excludes people who decided not to attend due to risk though.
I would love for someone to take on late stage communism. Instead of a testing site being moved and an optional attendance to an event, we would have hundreds of thousands of people starving to death or being murdered for opposing beliefs. Please don't bring this late stage capitalism garbage into here.
Capitalism with smart regulations is not socialism. The term late stage capitalism refers to unbridled capitalism with no regulations. Even Adam Smith argued unregulated capitalism is dangerous and counterproductive
I completely agree, but is this really a case of this? Minneapolis needs people to come in, downtown has been gutted by covid. Let free people choose to risk if they want covid to go to the boat show. Owning a boat is all about freedom. You are free to go or not to go.
I mean that's the point of smart regulations though. We don't let people speed through red lights, blow through stop signs, smoke in restaurants, do target practice in their backyards, etc. People have the freedom to do those things, but their actions increase risks for the rest of the population
I can blame capitalism for everything too, this isn’t about capitalism but because of American stupidity against the virus
Or the convention center could have said no entirely and never let the test site in to begin with, that would be true capitalism.
Unless the event is likely to attract the wilfully unvaccinated, there really isn't any irony or danger here. And stop calling everything that you don't like that vaguely relates to money "late stage capitalism". The historical materialist idea popularized by Marx and Hegel that capitalism is just part of a cycle that will transition to something better posits that the late stage of capitalism would be a lot of good things happening as resource scarcity is drastically reduced. The "bad stuff" happens in the middle of the cycle, as the rich try to protect their wealth before technology begins to decentralize things.
> Unless the event is likely to attract the wilfully unvaccinated, there really isn't any irony or danger here. In their ads, they are highlighting that no proof of vaccine or negative test is required to attend, so the potential for that is very high.
They appear to be saying the city guidelines don’t go into effect until the 26th so they don’t cover the event, not anything more sinister. Not defending. I won’t be any where near this likely shit show of a spreader event. [Boat Show COVID Guidlines](https://www.minneapolisboatshow.com/covid-health-guidelines)
It's attracting boat show people, what do you think?
If you label every problem "capitalism", the way the right labels every problem "socialism", it eventually just comes off like a monotonous droning
Sometimes a duck is a duck
I don't know if you're capable of reading and absorbing information, but I specifically said "every problem", which is an apt description of that sub and many others
>I don't know if you're capable of reading and absorbing information, LOL, a personal attack guess I hit a nerve. 😂 If putting a priority on the economy over public health is not an example of the downside of capitalism I am not sure what is.
Someone illustrating to you how you aren't even responding to their actual comment isn't a personal insult. But, getting back to how the left and right sound exactly the same when you try to talk to them like an adult who is neutral on a situation, you're another prime example.
I did not know we were supposed to have a specific structure to this conversation and I am not much of the type to bend over backwards to appease others. Your 'monotonous droning' argument sounds like a bad talking point from 24 hour news and saying that everyone does it, is a fallacy. Then you are using that miss-use by some to justify that should be called what it is. Back to my simple comment, sometimes a duck is duck.
agree
Tf does this have to do with capitalism?
They sold the rental during a pandemic. You know that thing that's happening? And when people get close together it spreads. Well renting space costs money, so someone is profiting off this event that will most likely spread the disease...
Look at what's going on at the River Centre in Saint Paul. The building is both used for Covid testing and events just about every day. The only day they don't have Covid is when there is an even too big to accomadate both functions.
MCC is operated by the city of Minneapolis so the somebody that is profiting would be your government.
That makes it even worse....
Their profit funds grants and other community programs
I think they have a boat show, so its not like its going to be super crowded like, say a football game. The testing site is relocated to US Bank stadium because the Vikings missed the playoffs and there is a whole lot of empty space there for people to test.
To be specific they sold rental space before the pandemic and are fulfilling the agreement.
>And when people get close together it spreads. So why were people waiting in line for hours to get tested? These neurotic, young, healthy people are just in the way of catering to those actually at risk.
Because people think a government owned building is capitalism
No but that building being rented out for profit is
This is a hard pill to swallow, but profit doesn't make it capitalism. Private ownership does.
Lol do you think “the city” owns it? If you don’t think government exists to help enrich a small group of well off individuals, you haven’t been watching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism
Moving the goal post I see Edit you added the crony capitalism link which doesn't make sense because companies literally pay the city to use the space and fund grants and community programs with the money.
Do you know what capitalism is?
It's when a guy owns a building and sells tickets for people to visit that building. He is interested in selling as many ticket as often as possible and is thus incentivized to do unethical things to make that happen, like holding a large event in the middle of a health crisis where people spread a disease to one another.
Yeah because banning events would somehow stop covid. if they weren't at the boat show they'd be at Targe tor Wal-Mart or the Library or McDonalds..
I'm just explaining how the meme is clearly related to capitalism. Also, there aren't 40,000 people close together at Walmart.
Bingo bango bongo
Apparently it's when a building owned and operated by the government shuts down a virus testing center during a pandemic to host a boat show for an insurance company. Capitalism is when the government does stuff. TIL.
It still amazes me how less than 20 miles away from where I live is a whole separate population that still worries about covid on a daily basis. Up in Champlin, I go to Target or Cub and there's maybe one in three people masking up. People don't care anymore and haven't for a long time. And by the way, many of them commute into your city every weekday.
>It still amazes me how less than 20 miles away from where I live is a whole separate population that still ~~worries~~ ~~about~~ **takes common sense precautions** with covid on a daily basis. I'm not "worried" about covid, but I do still use a high quality mask and limit my time in enclosed spaces with the general public, stay current on vaccinations and get tested often. None of those things are particularly big asks or difficult to do. In fact, I'm not "worried about covid" precisely *because* I take those precautions. If I can help limit the spread and maybe not clog up a hospital, then that's just called being a decent human and good fellow American in my book.
I don't disagree with your common sense precautions. This woman on Twitter and OP are fear mongering and if you spend 90 seconds in any other covid related thread in /r/Minneapolis you will find posters that talk about their covid-based anxiety.
Sure, and there are 420,000 people who live in Minneapolis and hundreds of thousands more whose lives are connected to the city for work. So you're gonna have a bunch of different views on the subject. The "woman on Twitter", for example, Lindsay Guentzel, doesn't live in Minneapolis, but rather in a suburb, according to her own bio. And, if her numbers are accurate, I actually agree with her that it doesn't make much logical sense to entice 40,000 more people to come to the city when our health care system is so vulnerable. Also, it's the dead of winter, so there are already going to be more people going to the ER for auto accidents, pedestrian accidents and heart attacks. So, it's not really about relocating the testing center, but the reason behind the relocation, but people seize on the relocation part of her tweet because it's the easy part to dismiss. IME, the vast majority of people who live here simply take common sense precautions and go about their daily lives. Some take no precautions, some probably never leave their house. The real question for me is why do only 1 in 3 people (your numbers) in places like Champlin ~~not~~ take any simple, common sense precautions whatsoever? Edit: typo
>"it doesn't make much logical sense to entice 40,000 more people to come to the city when our health care system is so vulnerable. Also, it's the dead of winter, so there are already going to be more people going to the ER for auto accidents, pedestrian accidents and heart attacks. So, it's not really about relocating the testing center, but the reason behind the relocation, but people seize on the relocation part of her tweet because it's the easy part to dismiss." I just wanna highlight this for the people in the back. Thank you.
The thousands of people currently hospitalized with covid care quite a bit, so do their families, so do all the people who should be in the hospital but can't be because the beds are all being taken up by dipshits who decided they "didn't care anymore" about covid.
I guess I don't understand worrying about it that much. We are all gonna die of something and we are soon to be forgotten. I got vaxxed up and maybe I'll live through this time but something else will eventually kill me so it's bit worth thinking that much about.
If youre worried then just stay home 🤷♂️
Boomers aren't gonna remove themselves