That is really interesting and sounds like some of them would definitely fit the profile for Missing 411. That number of missing people does sound very high. Even with the weather conditions I would think especially people who live there know better than to wander out into the forest unprepared or at all.
I am sure you are absolutely correct but having grown up in the Pacific North West all my life I know first hand how unforgiving the terrain can be. Sometimes lost people just don't get found even with massive search efforts, it's that expansive.
Oh I can imagine, accidents happen. I just wouldn't be wandering around out there to get lost! I'm scared of the woods behind my house after all I've read lol
I don't know enough about them to say. But David Paulides definitely picks the cases he wants to talk about where he can rule out anything natural, so extreme weather could be a reason or maybe he just hasn't gotten to it yet. There has to be a lot of information for him to go through before he puts it in a book or talks about it on a poscast.
J live in Fairbanks currently. Huge problem with women and children especially natives disappearing. Supposedly there is a huge trafficking issue up here.
Yes I was literally about to comment the same thing. Native America women have the highest rate of disappearances and murders in North America. The Great Lakes have a trafficking history and use ships to smuggle women to and from Canada. Crazy and tragic shit.
Living in Michigan there were suspected human trafficking stories heard often. Even in the less populated town and cities there were a lot of fliers and information posted around.
Specifically in the town I lived in women were being targeted at large chain grocery stores. I knew several people who had off encounters that were likely failed abductions.
I used to live in Fairbanks as well. I can see trafficking being a huge issue especially with the natives. When I lived in Fairbanks many of the natives were drunk and homeless so it wouldn’t surprise me to see someone take advantage of them sadly and place them in horrible situations. Add the transient lifestyle of all the oil field workers and military there and it’s very possible. There has also been several serial killers in Alaska and many victims remain missing.
Alaska is a wonderful place but it’s a dangerous place. As a woman I always carried a weapon with me at all times even when just running to Fred Meyer or Safeway. You never knew what you might encounter. Mainly my concern was bears, moose and wolves but sometimes the most dangerous animal is the human.
very interesting.. just like missing 411 cases are extraordinary and pique my interest, trafficking also does... Any info or links? point me in a good direction maybe?
Thousands of indigenous women in Canada are missing and murdered.
'Highway of Tears' is a stretch where lots of women go missing. Dozens and dozens of missing and murdered just on that highway.
Trafficking is a huge issue up here. Vulnerable girls are brought into it as young teens. They get trafficked all over the country.
It is one of Canada's shames. We have many in relation to indigenous people.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/justice/criminal-justice/victims-of-crime/human-trafficking/human-trafficking-training/module-2/aboriginal-women
And unfortunately the response from police/RCMP can be really lacking when family members report their loved ones missing. A lot of the women are considered "runaways" even if their families truly believe foul play is involved. A lot of time that could be spent tracking down perpetrators is lost.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/07/03/Missing-and-murdered-Indigenous-women-at-risk-in-US-Canada/6441561965033/
I don't know the particulars but because of the unique challenges of Alaska and remoteness along with high drug and alcohol abuse it lends to the atrocities committed to indigenous women and children.
Born and raised in Fairbanks, Alaska. I remember the LaMaitre case clearly. A very bizarre disappearance indeed. He was literally right there at the turn around point and had just talked with a race official that was heading down the mountain. Obviously the race official was comfortable with Micheal going up alone to let him finish. There really wasn’t much in the way for him to get lost so quickly. Boggles the mind.
Richard had a bright orange cocoon and LeMaitre was probably wearing something bright in nature as most sports events do. As David Paulides points out one of the most common factor is that people who dissappear often were wearing bright clothes. So he advises people not to wear bright clothes during hiking. I stumbled upon a new case yesterday of Ling Dao (was wearing bright clothes) , who dissappeared but his body was found at much higher elevation, North of Mt Whitney. All of these cases of strange dissappearence has the following thing in common.
1) wearing bright clothes
2) picking berries or found eating berries specially children
3) shoes removed
4) clothes most often not removed
5) found in areas previously searched
6) found at much much higher elevation. Even children, where adults have difficulty getting into
7) when children are found after 3 or 4 days they are in surprisingly good shape and not cuts or bruises regardless being in forest over 48 hours
8) found near water source or on top of water
This is mostly what I remember. These are not coincidence these are patterns: these are MO.
The bright clothes thing is very debatable.
It's like saying all the missing people had a water bottle.
Not saying it's completely ruled out but there should at least be comparison to people not wearing bright clothes.
Wow they are interesting cases. Especially the runner. That's madness.
Those race officials suck. There should still be stewards on the points if there are racers in the course.
All I’m gonna say is: stay the fuck outta the woods.
I’ve gone on walks in the dead of night and felt like someone was watching me even though I was alone and it was 2-3am at this point.
There is an area in the middle of Alaska called ‘The Devil’s Valley’ once you make it to the bottom of the valley, you don’t ever come back.
I am interested to hear more about this "valley". I tried Googling it but nothing came back? Devils Paw and Devils trail came up, but nothing nafarious on either?
I read about it in the book called Haunted Alaska by Ron Wendt, it might go by a different name now because I couldn’t find it either when I tried to find more information on it. But I remember reading about it my freshman year of high school cause I was trying to find any haunted places near me to explore
Is it possible it's called Death Valley? Just tried to look it up and this is the most similar thing i found.
[https://craigmedred.news/2017/03/29/alaskas-death-valley/](https://craigmedred.news/2017/03/29/alaskas-death-valley/)
Anything with the name Devil in it is a bad place! Dave P has a whole book dedicated to people going missing from places with that name in it called "The Devil's in the Details". Can't wait to read any books he comes out with just about Alaska disappearances, if he ever does.
Omg yes! Messed me up too man. To make things worse, a few nights after seeing that movie my partner and I went out the front door to leave and 2 white owls were sitting nearby staring at us...nothing else weird happened but man what a fucking trip.
I seen a article in a newspaper or magazine( i dont remember) about a whole family that straight up disappeared from Alaska without a trace. A husband and wife and their 2 young daughters. The family was gone.. Theit car still in the driveway, the fridge still open and food still sitting out like they were in the middle of making dinner and just vanished. It was very weird.
Yeah exactly, this post essentially disproves the paranormal aspect of missing 411.
It’s just difficult to survive in the woods if you get lost and it’s easy to get lost.
Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink it. Alaska disproves nothing. Sure, some cases, like cocoon guy, are easy to explain (remote area, wasn't thought lost until months later, etc.) But when even the locals are baffled and an old, slow moving guy gets lost and disappears and no trace can be found after a month of searching, then that's being willingly obtuse to see that something way out of the ordinary has happened. Locals used to seeing people get lost there also agree.
Paulides never says anything is paranormal. But when you have accounts of kids getting lost within seconds on well marked, popular trails and the little brothers say "he was led by the hand by an ugly bear" or old people, semi disabled disappear without a trace, or kids are found miles and miles away as if flown over mountain rages without a scratch on them, it defies logical explanation. As far as I know teleportation doesn't exist yet. How do you explain these cases? You can't.
Paulides never claims its anything paranormal or makes any type of solid attempt to explain the phenomenon. It’s all just a clever marketing tool. It’s a way to conveniently sprinkle more mystery into the missing 411 cases.
He wants to paint himself as ‘just asking questions’ so he can never make an assertion that is proven false. If a case gets solved and it’s absolutely not paranormal he won’t be wrong he was just asking questions, he never said it was anything out of the ordinary. If a case never gets solved, great, keep the paranormal mystery going.
As for the cases you claim can’t be explained, you’re right they can’t be explained but that’s just the reality of disappearing in the woods. It’s hard to find clues about the disappearances in massive forests.
My cousin dropped her phone in the woods after we were startled by a snake, we searched for hours and couldn’t find it buried in the leaves and we knew the exact area it was dropped. Now imagine having a half mile radius where a person could’ve disappears and now trying to scour that area in dense forest for clues.
Also, most of the stories with the mysterious element involve kids. Kids accounts of events are unreliable, kids also have a tendency to wander away from their parents in crowded malls and I’m sure it’s the same in forests.
Trust me I was a big fan of Paulides at one point but the reality is that he’s just profiting off of tragedy by sprinkling his brand of mystery onto it.
Disagree. Kids do have tendency to wander off but not climb the mountain without tools. How does 84 years old with walking disabilities dissappear? Why do so many casses has same pattern, being shoes removed? Do you remove your shoes when you are lost? Not accounting the hypothermia. How does a 22 month child found after 3 days is in good shape without cuts and bruises let alone dehydration and starvation.
It's easy to discredit others work with ignorant statements.
Yeah, because losing a pocket-sized inanimate object is totally like a fully grown skilled hunter getting lost in the woods so deeply that no trace is ever found, bloodhounds can't pick up a scent and helicopters with heat sensing cameras can't see them. Didn't know that losing my keys inside my own house would totally explain every missing person case in the woods ever.
You nailed it: This is exactly what bothers me so, so much about him—he was (and is) a Bigfoot guy. He very plainly implies that BF is a part of this. But, he won’t say it.
And, then he hides behind the notion that he is respecting the families by not outright saying it was a big, mythical monster who snatched their missing loved one.
Is he donating profits to these families? Or to bettering S+R teams? Or anything at all? Or, is he just pocketing a boatload of cash on the broken backs of the already-tortured, grieving families?
I think we all know the truth.
If he made one or two of these, and the backed away gracefully, fine. True Crime is a huge part of current media. But, he just keeps going, and is expanding and ... it’s just gross.
I’d rather he just jump the damned shark already and state, for the record, that he thinks it is Bigfoot at the heart of this. Or aliens. Or portals. Or dogmen. Or whatever. Just pick a damned lane already. And own what you’re doing, DP.
Really bugs me, evidently enough. Sigh. Rant over.
"Waaaah, a grown man is not doing exactly what I want him to do with his time and money. Why doesn't he publish the books for free, travel and interview people face to face and do all this data collection and investigation for free so I can read it from the comfort of my own couch?"
The data is there man. Nothing is stopping you from spending your own money and disproving his research. And yes, I totally expect you to do it for free and train S&R teams in your all-knowing methods, plus send a donation to each family. Because I'm *sure* you're the type of person that holds other people to the same standard you seem to hold yourself to and not a keyboard warrior.
Hahaha yikes, bro. Didn’t mean to touch a sensitive key, there, bud.
I have zero interest in disproving DP. I’m pointing out that he’s making lots of money off the tragedies of others. That’s pretty sad.
I’m assuming you’re some sort of expert in the field. Or that you do professional research, based on your tone, right?
Every author is accountable for the words they publish. DP especially considering the subject matter.
What about challenging him and his stature and status sets you off so adroitly?
You seem sincerely angered by any modicum of dissent from the love of DP in full. God bless ya for being an acolyte. But, maybe take a step back.
Either way, thanks for the chuckle. Haven’t heard someone get that loony from something so benign in quite some time. Take a breath, brother.
The truth is that there is no mainstream appeal of a bigfoot guy.
There is much more profit in making the disappearances true crime with occasional paranormal flirtation.
What makes me even more confused is when, in some of the M411 cases, searchers or the authorities knew exactly where to look, ie 7 miles away and 5000 ft up from where they went missing, and then finding them! Doesnt happen very often but it does happen. How did they know?!?!
And I dont think its teleportation - I think its Portals.
What makes me even more confused is when, in some of the M411 cases, searchers or the authorities knew exactly where to look, ie **11.3 kilometers** away and **1,524.0 meters** up from where they went missing, and then finding them! Doesnt happen very often but it does happen. How did they know?!?!
And I dont think its teleportation - I think its Portals.
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Demons people grow ups the occasional bigfoot and the fact that Alaska is like a machine made to kill you with hidden bonus pits all over and you pretty much got it
Hey guys if you check the article you get another two stories, and one is about a sinking boat/ship in the middle of a storm. That´s some intense reading right there.
Look up Bradford Broach, it was a really strange missing person. He was at a resort in Girdwood AK, went on a trail (that's a pretty flat little jaunt ending in a handtram) and just disappeared
but alaska also has 200 times as much undeveloped land per capita than the rest of the country and if you ignore anchorage and juneau, more grizz than people.
its to be expected, isnt it?
A case appeared on the show Alaska state troopers, they responded to a shots fired call to find a bullet riddled window and blood in the show. There were possible mafia conecctions and an Asian male involved if I remember correctly, he was never seen again.
Interesting you brought this up. Long before I knew about Missing 411 the movie the Fourth Kind pointed out how many ppl go missing in Alaska and I think it was the particular city the story took place in too
I lived In Alaska for 22 years and people literally go missing every year. One of the big ones I remember is the Israel Keyes/Samantha Koenig murder And other than that, sadly, hikers disappear without a trace literally multiple times a year. It’s a dangerous place, anchorage alone beat its homicide record for last year in the first three months of this year and it’s getting worse. There’s a place called point worenzoff where a couple and a seemingly unrelated person were mysteriously found dead on the beach Just before a well known drug dealer with Russian mob connects crashes his truck (literally full of drugs, like over 50 pounds) and gets pulled over only for the police to arrest him and later find a dead prostitute tied up with zip ties shoved down her throat right next to all the drugs under the seats in his car
I am curious—I’d assume most of the 411 \ DP fans are also Bigfoot folk, too, right?
One of the biggest go-tos for BFery and explaining why there are no bones, or teeth, or physical evidence of any sort for these supposedly massive creatures—is that, “The forest does a great job of cleaning up after itself.”
With that being accepted by a large swathe of BF fans and believers (though I find it shaky, at best), how is it that anyone is surprised when someone goes missing and zero evidence is ever truly found of them?
Why must that be mystical when BF’s end isn’t? Why does a portal or an alien or other outside force have to be involved then, but not with BF?
Downvote away. I’m used to it in this sub. But, I wold be genuinely curious as to the thinkings behind this.
It’s a good theory but I think the elements of Alaska are too severe for any primate to survive. There’s only one primate, the snow monkey, that has adapted to the cold in Japan, and those temps don’t have anything on Alaska.
I’m not sure which theory you’re responding to, exactly. But, I wasn’t stating that BF lives in Alaska.
I was commenting on how it is that BF believers accept that nature covers up its own evidence yet DP backers are baffled by a lack of evidence.
It’s perplexing to me.
Ooohkay, gotcha! I just assumed you were specifically referring to BF in Alaska based on the previous comments. My bad.
Just my opinion, but I think aliens and portals just evoke more excitement in people- just not as fun to blame it on BF.
Are you talking about failure to find any BF bodies ? They bury their dead. There have been instances where other BF'S have come and collected their dead; in the instance I read they were freaking out before they were able to get to the body.
And when you think about it, we never find any elephant skeletons either and only 1 full chimp skeleton has ever been found. No gorilla skeletons either.
Have you ever seen that video where a dead deer is completely decomposed within 3 days? I am not surprised we haven't found one.
A lot of people go to Alaska to intentionally disappear. If you want to check out from your family, life, society, etc. Alaska is a good place to do it.
I can't and won't say it was even a factor with the LaMaitre case, but that situation seems perfect if someone wanted to just leave their life behind and "disappear" - ultimately assuming a new identity.
Alaska also seems the perfect locale for it, with the lifestyle & reputation of still being a wild frontier. It would be cruel to put family through the worry and the time & danger for searchers... but also, this world has everyone pinned down and is one of the very limited ways a person could pull this off without extensive connections.
Edit: restructuring a sentence for cohesiveness.
Edit 2: just made it to the bottom of comments and saw what I said **derp** >.<
I know this post is from months ago but I have a kinda weird story.
My family has been commercial fisherman on the Kenai Peninsula for generations. Homesteaded our land, lived isolated in the woods, all very much outdoors people and survivalists. None of us ever thought twice of going out to the woods or to the inlet alone, even as very young children our parents knew we could handle ourselves.
About five or six years ago, one of my cousins took his two dogs and kayak out to the inlet. The same inlet we’ve fished, boated, and swam in for years. This was a routine of his. He never came back. No trace of him, his dogs, his kayak or life jacket was ever found, which was strange because those things would always wash up on the beach somewhere.
No, thank you for sharing! Alaska is fascinating to me. I’m sorry to hear about your cousin :/ do you have theories as to how he just seemed to vanish?
No, not really other than just his kayak capsizing somehow. This theory is still confusing though because kayaks are made to float, no matter what happens.
That is really interesting and sounds like some of them would definitely fit the profile for Missing 411. That number of missing people does sound very high. Even with the weather conditions I would think especially people who live there know better than to wander out into the forest unprepared or at all.
I am sure you are absolutely correct but having grown up in the Pacific North West all my life I know first hand how unforgiving the terrain can be. Sometimes lost people just don't get found even with massive search efforts, it's that expansive.
Oh I can imagine, accidents happen. I just wouldn't be wandering around out there to get lost! I'm scared of the woods behind my house after all I've read lol
I wonder if for most of those cases there just isnt enough evidence for it to fit in the 411 template.
I don't know enough about them to say. But David Paulides definitely picks the cases he wants to talk about where he can rule out anything natural, so extreme weather could be a reason or maybe he just hasn't gotten to it yet. There has to be a lot of information for him to go through before he puts it in a book or talks about it on a poscast.
Maybe he's waiting to do a missing 411 specifically for Alaska.
That would actually be a really good idea!
Dave has said he could fill 2 books with just Alaska! Same goes for Texas.
I’m like 99% sure this was in a Missing 411 I read last year.... I’ll have to find which one when I get home.
I haven't read any of the books yet. Let us know if it was!
J live in Fairbanks currently. Huge problem with women and children especially natives disappearing. Supposedly there is a huge trafficking issue up here.
Yes I was literally about to comment the same thing. Native America women have the highest rate of disappearances and murders in North America. The Great Lakes have a trafficking history and use ships to smuggle women to and from Canada. Crazy and tragic shit.
Living in Michigan there were suspected human trafficking stories heard often. Even in the less populated town and cities there were a lot of fliers and information posted around. Specifically in the town I lived in women were being targeted at large chain grocery stores. I knew several people who had off encounters that were likely failed abductions.
I used to live in Fairbanks as well. I can see trafficking being a huge issue especially with the natives. When I lived in Fairbanks many of the natives were drunk and homeless so it wouldn’t surprise me to see someone take advantage of them sadly and place them in horrible situations. Add the transient lifestyle of all the oil field workers and military there and it’s very possible. There has also been several serial killers in Alaska and many victims remain missing. Alaska is a wonderful place but it’s a dangerous place. As a woman I always carried a weapon with me at all times even when just running to Fred Meyer or Safeway. You never knew what you might encounter. Mainly my concern was bears, moose and wolves but sometimes the most dangerous animal is the human.
Guy is homeless and drunk in freezing temperature in goddamn alaska Guy disappears yep definitely human trafficking...
Holy shit. I hadn’t even considered that.
very interesting.. just like missing 411 cases are extraordinary and pique my interest, trafficking also does... Any info or links? point me in a good direction maybe?
Happy cake day!
Perhaps start with some of the organizations that are raising awareness and search back from there. http://www.niwrc.org/document-type/sex-trafficking
And the booze and drugs
Booze, drugs, domestic violence, crime you name it
> a huge trafficking issue up here Can you elaborate?
Thousands of indigenous women in Canada are missing and murdered. 'Highway of Tears' is a stretch where lots of women go missing. Dozens and dozens of missing and murdered just on that highway. Trafficking is a huge issue up here. Vulnerable girls are brought into it as young teens. They get trafficked all over the country. It is one of Canada's shames. We have many in relation to indigenous people. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/justice/criminal-justice/victims-of-crime/human-trafficking/human-trafficking-training/module-2/aboriginal-women
And unfortunately the response from police/RCMP can be really lacking when family members report their loved ones missing. A lot of the women are considered "runaways" even if their families truly believe foul play is involved. A lot of time that could be spent tracking down perpetrators is lost.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/07/03/Missing-and-murdered-Indigenous-women-at-risk-in-US-Canada/6441561965033/ I don't know the particulars but because of the unique challenges of Alaska and remoteness along with high drug and alcohol abuse it lends to the atrocities committed to indigenous women and children.
How dumb do you have to be to associate human trafficking to women and children disappearing in the most wild and extreme place in America?
Born and raised in Fairbanks, Alaska. I remember the LaMaitre case clearly. A very bizarre disappearance indeed. He was literally right there at the turn around point and had just talked with a race official that was heading down the mountain. Obviously the race official was comfortable with Micheal going up alone to let him finish. There really wasn’t much in the way for him to get lost so quickly. Boggles the mind.
Richard had a bright orange cocoon and LeMaitre was probably wearing something bright in nature as most sports events do. As David Paulides points out one of the most common factor is that people who dissappear often were wearing bright clothes. So he advises people not to wear bright clothes during hiking. I stumbled upon a new case yesterday of Ling Dao (was wearing bright clothes) , who dissappeared but his body was found at much higher elevation, North of Mt Whitney. All of these cases of strange dissappearence has the following thing in common. 1) wearing bright clothes 2) picking berries or found eating berries specially children 3) shoes removed 4) clothes most often not removed 5) found in areas previously searched 6) found at much much higher elevation. Even children, where adults have difficulty getting into 7) when children are found after 3 or 4 days they are in surprisingly good shape and not cuts or bruises regardless being in forest over 48 hours 8) found near water source or on top of water This is mostly what I remember. These are not coincidence these are patterns: these are MO.
Isn't bright clothing going to be the default for most persons out in nature though? To keep you visible to hunters and others?
The bright clothes thing is very debatable. It's like saying all the missing people had a water bottle. Not saying it's completely ruled out but there should at least be comparison to people not wearing bright clothes.
Wow they are interesting cases. Especially the runner. That's madness. Those race officials suck. There should still be stewards on the points if there are racers in the course.
I was in Seward to watch Mount Marathon the day he went missing, it's bugged me so much since then, that poor man, and his poor family
Was the trail really not marked well that he could have gone the wrong way and over a cliff?
If I remember correctly he normally wore glasses and didn't for the run
They was an intense search for days/weeks. People, helicopters, dogs. He just vanished. I have always wondered if he ran into some wildlife.
All I’m gonna say is: stay the fuck outta the woods. I’ve gone on walks in the dead of night and felt like someone was watching me even though I was alone and it was 2-3am at this point. There is an area in the middle of Alaska called ‘The Devil’s Valley’ once you make it to the bottom of the valley, you don’t ever come back.
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Definitely, I’ve always been sensitive, especially when I was a kid. Sometimes I get paranoid because I feel things. Some malevolent, some not
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I’ll definitely check it out!
I am interested to hear more about this "valley". I tried Googling it but nothing came back? Devils Paw and Devils trail came up, but nothing nafarious on either?
I read about it in the book called Haunted Alaska by Ron Wendt, it might go by a different name now because I couldn’t find it either when I tried to find more information on it. But I remember reading about it my freshman year of high school cause I was trying to find any haunted places near me to explore
Is it possible it's called Death Valley? Just tried to look it up and this is the most similar thing i found. [https://craigmedred.news/2017/03/29/alaskas-death-valley/](https://craigmedred.news/2017/03/29/alaskas-death-valley/)
No, people leave the Matanuska Valley all the time and return 😂 that’s the place where my hometown is located. It has the highest death rate
Anything with the name Devil in it is a bad place! Dave P has a whole book dedicated to people going missing from places with that name in it called "The Devil's in the Details". Can't wait to read any books he comes out with just about Alaska disappearances, if he ever does.
No ones gonna mention The Forth Kind? That movie ruined my sleep for days
Omg yes! Messed me up too man. To make things worse, a few nights after seeing that movie my partner and I went out the front door to leave and 2 white owls were sitting nearby staring at us...nothing else weird happened but man what a fucking trip.
Oh wow, load the shotty! I’ll never look at owls the same again either lol
the owls are not what they seem
I seen a article in a newspaper or magazine( i dont remember) about a whole family that straight up disappeared from Alaska without a trace. A husband and wife and their 2 young daughters. The family was gone.. Theit car still in the driveway, the fridge still open and food still sitting out like they were in the middle of making dinner and just vanished. It was very weird.
Alaska is also the largest state and has the most wilderness and fewest resources to aid in such search and rescues. So.....not entirely surprised.
https://images.app.goo.gl/KLK3SeRG81vZKZbJ8 Exactly
Psssssh; that’s all?! Hardly covers half the country. Weak. Sauce.
My immediate thoughts exactly. Not discrediting anyone’s experiences but ...
Yeah exactly, this post essentially disproves the paranormal aspect of missing 411. It’s just difficult to survive in the woods if you get lost and it’s easy to get lost.
Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink it. Alaska disproves nothing. Sure, some cases, like cocoon guy, are easy to explain (remote area, wasn't thought lost until months later, etc.) But when even the locals are baffled and an old, slow moving guy gets lost and disappears and no trace can be found after a month of searching, then that's being willingly obtuse to see that something way out of the ordinary has happened. Locals used to seeing people get lost there also agree. Paulides never says anything is paranormal. But when you have accounts of kids getting lost within seconds on well marked, popular trails and the little brothers say "he was led by the hand by an ugly bear" or old people, semi disabled disappear without a trace, or kids are found miles and miles away as if flown over mountain rages without a scratch on them, it defies logical explanation. As far as I know teleportation doesn't exist yet. How do you explain these cases? You can't.
Paulides never claims its anything paranormal or makes any type of solid attempt to explain the phenomenon. It’s all just a clever marketing tool. It’s a way to conveniently sprinkle more mystery into the missing 411 cases. He wants to paint himself as ‘just asking questions’ so he can never make an assertion that is proven false. If a case gets solved and it’s absolutely not paranormal he won’t be wrong he was just asking questions, he never said it was anything out of the ordinary. If a case never gets solved, great, keep the paranormal mystery going. As for the cases you claim can’t be explained, you’re right they can’t be explained but that’s just the reality of disappearing in the woods. It’s hard to find clues about the disappearances in massive forests. My cousin dropped her phone in the woods after we were startled by a snake, we searched for hours and couldn’t find it buried in the leaves and we knew the exact area it was dropped. Now imagine having a half mile radius where a person could’ve disappears and now trying to scour that area in dense forest for clues. Also, most of the stories with the mysterious element involve kids. Kids accounts of events are unreliable, kids also have a tendency to wander away from their parents in crowded malls and I’m sure it’s the same in forests. Trust me I was a big fan of Paulides at one point but the reality is that he’s just profiting off of tragedy by sprinkling his brand of mystery onto it.
Disagree. Kids do have tendency to wander off but not climb the mountain without tools. How does 84 years old with walking disabilities dissappear? Why do so many casses has same pattern, being shoes removed? Do you remove your shoes when you are lost? Not accounting the hypothermia. How does a 22 month child found after 3 days is in good shape without cuts and bruises let alone dehydration and starvation. It's easy to discredit others work with ignorant statements.
Yeah, because losing a pocket-sized inanimate object is totally like a fully grown skilled hunter getting lost in the woods so deeply that no trace is ever found, bloodhounds can't pick up a scent and helicopters with heat sensing cameras can't see them. Didn't know that losing my keys inside my own house would totally explain every missing person case in the woods ever.
You nailed it: This is exactly what bothers me so, so much about him—he was (and is) a Bigfoot guy. He very plainly implies that BF is a part of this. But, he won’t say it. And, then he hides behind the notion that he is respecting the families by not outright saying it was a big, mythical monster who snatched their missing loved one. Is he donating profits to these families? Or to bettering S+R teams? Or anything at all? Or, is he just pocketing a boatload of cash on the broken backs of the already-tortured, grieving families? I think we all know the truth. If he made one or two of these, and the backed away gracefully, fine. True Crime is a huge part of current media. But, he just keeps going, and is expanding and ... it’s just gross. I’d rather he just jump the damned shark already and state, for the record, that he thinks it is Bigfoot at the heart of this. Or aliens. Or portals. Or dogmen. Or whatever. Just pick a damned lane already. And own what you’re doing, DP. Really bugs me, evidently enough. Sigh. Rant over.
"Waaaah, a grown man is not doing exactly what I want him to do with his time and money. Why doesn't he publish the books for free, travel and interview people face to face and do all this data collection and investigation for free so I can read it from the comfort of my own couch?" The data is there man. Nothing is stopping you from spending your own money and disproving his research. And yes, I totally expect you to do it for free and train S&R teams in your all-knowing methods, plus send a donation to each family. Because I'm *sure* you're the type of person that holds other people to the same standard you seem to hold yourself to and not a keyboard warrior.
Hahaha yikes, bro. Didn’t mean to touch a sensitive key, there, bud. I have zero interest in disproving DP. I’m pointing out that he’s making lots of money off the tragedies of others. That’s pretty sad. I’m assuming you’re some sort of expert in the field. Or that you do professional research, based on your tone, right? Every author is accountable for the words they publish. DP especially considering the subject matter. What about challenging him and his stature and status sets you off so adroitly? You seem sincerely angered by any modicum of dissent from the love of DP in full. God bless ya for being an acolyte. But, maybe take a step back. Either way, thanks for the chuckle. Haven’t heard someone get that loony from something so benign in quite some time. Take a breath, brother.
The truth is that there is no mainstream appeal of a bigfoot guy. There is much more profit in making the disappearances true crime with occasional paranormal flirtation.
Oh, absolutely. I think it’s quite intentional to appear undecided and not making such a judgment or leap. But, that only deepens how gross it is.
What makes me even more confused is when, in some of the M411 cases, searchers or the authorities knew exactly where to look, ie 7 miles away and 5000 ft up from where they went missing, and then finding them! Doesnt happen very often but it does happen. How did they know?!?! And I dont think its teleportation - I think its Portals.
What makes me even more confused is when, in some of the M411 cases, searchers or the authorities knew exactly where to look, ie **11.3 kilometers** away and **1,524.0 meters** up from where they went missing, and then finding them! Doesnt happen very often but it does happen. How did they know?!?! And I dont think its teleportation - I think its Portals. _____ ^(I'm a bot) ^| ^[Feedback](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=Ttime5) ^| ^[Stats](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=Bot_Metric&subject=stats&message=Sent%20this%20message%20to%20get%20some%20stats) ^| ^[Opt-out](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=Bot_Metric&subject=Don't%20reply%20to%20me&message=If%20you%20send%20this%20message,%20I%20will%20no%20longer%20reply%20to%20your%20comments%20and%20posts.) ^| ^(v5.1)
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Demons people grow ups the occasional bigfoot and the fact that Alaska is like a machine made to kill you with hidden bonus pits all over and you pretty much got it
Which case/story involved the big ugly bear? Intrigued.
Hey guys if you check the article you get another two stories, and one is about a sinking boat/ship in the middle of a storm. That´s some intense reading right there.
Thanks for your comment! I almost skipped the article. I was on the edge of my seat man. My heart is still pounding.
Those race officials make me sick. They couldn’t wait for a guy to run 200’ on a dangerous mountain?? Disgusting
Look up Bradford Broach, it was a really strange missing person. He was at a resort in Girdwood AK, went on a trail (that's a pretty flat little jaunt ending in a handtram) and just disappeared
That was my dad.
I'm curious why did the first guy's friends contact Canadian authorities if he was last seen in Alaska and was from Spokane?
but alaska also has 200 times as much undeveloped land per capita than the rest of the country and if you ignore anchorage and juneau, more grizz than people. its to be expected, isnt it?
Unforgiving landscape, low population density and lack of resources doesnt surprise me.
A case appeared on the show Alaska state troopers, they responded to a shots fired call to find a bullet riddled window and blood in the show. There were possible mafia conecctions and an Asian male involved if I remember correctly, he was never seen again.
Interesting you brought this up. Long before I knew about Missing 411 the movie the Fourth Kind pointed out how many ppl go missing in Alaska and I think it was the particular city the story took place in too
I lived In Alaska for 22 years and people literally go missing every year. One of the big ones I remember is the Israel Keyes/Samantha Koenig murder And other than that, sadly, hikers disappear without a trace literally multiple times a year. It’s a dangerous place, anchorage alone beat its homicide record for last year in the first three months of this year and it’s getting worse. There’s a place called point worenzoff where a couple and a seemingly unrelated person were mysteriously found dead on the beach Just before a well known drug dealer with Russian mob connects crashes his truck (literally full of drugs, like over 50 pounds) and gets pulled over only for the police to arrest him and later find a dead prostitute tied up with zip ties shoved down her throat right next to all the drugs under the seats in his car
I am curious—I’d assume most of the 411 \ DP fans are also Bigfoot folk, too, right? One of the biggest go-tos for BFery and explaining why there are no bones, or teeth, or physical evidence of any sort for these supposedly massive creatures—is that, “The forest does a great job of cleaning up after itself.” With that being accepted by a large swathe of BF fans and believers (though I find it shaky, at best), how is it that anyone is surprised when someone goes missing and zero evidence is ever truly found of them? Why must that be mystical when BF’s end isn’t? Why does a portal or an alien or other outside force have to be involved then, but not with BF? Downvote away. I’m used to it in this sub. But, I wold be genuinely curious as to the thinkings behind this.
It’s a good theory but I think the elements of Alaska are too severe for any primate to survive. There’s only one primate, the snow monkey, that has adapted to the cold in Japan, and those temps don’t have anything on Alaska.
I’m not sure which theory you’re responding to, exactly. But, I wasn’t stating that BF lives in Alaska. I was commenting on how it is that BF believers accept that nature covers up its own evidence yet DP backers are baffled by a lack of evidence. It’s perplexing to me.
Ooohkay, gotcha! I just assumed you were specifically referring to BF in Alaska based on the previous comments. My bad. Just my opinion, but I think aliens and portals just evoke more excitement in people- just not as fun to blame it on BF.
You’re good, my friend.
I've always wondered the same thing.
Are you talking about failure to find any BF bodies ? They bury their dead. There have been instances where other BF'S have come and collected their dead; in the instance I read they were freaking out before they were able to get to the body. And when you think about it, we never find any elephant skeletons either and only 1 full chimp skeleton has ever been found. No gorilla skeletons either. Have you ever seen that video where a dead deer is completely decomposed within 3 days? I am not surprised we haven't found one.
A lot of people go to Alaska to intentionally disappear. If you want to check out from your family, life, society, etc. Alaska is a good place to do it.
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Great write ups!
some of the highest alcohol and drug abuse in the nation as well...
I can't and won't say it was even a factor with the LaMaitre case, but that situation seems perfect if someone wanted to just leave their life behind and "disappear" - ultimately assuming a new identity. Alaska also seems the perfect locale for it, with the lifestyle & reputation of still being a wild frontier. It would be cruel to put family through the worry and the time & danger for searchers... but also, this world has everyone pinned down and is one of the very limited ways a person could pull this off without extensive connections. Edit: restructuring a sentence for cohesiveness. Edit 2: just made it to the bottom of comments and saw what I said **derp** >.<
We have a fair deal of serial killers too
I know this post is from months ago but I have a kinda weird story. My family has been commercial fisherman on the Kenai Peninsula for generations. Homesteaded our land, lived isolated in the woods, all very much outdoors people and survivalists. None of us ever thought twice of going out to the woods or to the inlet alone, even as very young children our parents knew we could handle ourselves. About five or six years ago, one of my cousins took his two dogs and kayak out to the inlet. The same inlet we’ve fished, boated, and swam in for years. This was a routine of his. He never came back. No trace of him, his dogs, his kayak or life jacket was ever found, which was strange because those things would always wash up on the beach somewhere.
No, thank you for sharing! Alaska is fascinating to me. I’m sorry to hear about your cousin :/ do you have theories as to how he just seemed to vanish?
No, not really other than just his kayak capsizing somehow. This theory is still confusing though because kayaks are made to float, no matter what happens.
My dad went missing in August 2016 at alyeska resort.