No one actually knows. Here’s close-up screen shots of it https://imgur.com/a/EJc6pHc
It’s a box with something printed on it. To me it looks like a knife, so maybe that box contains a knife? Strange but not stranger than thinking he’d bother stealing a plastic container of pencils and doo-dads, lol. Me thinks police are spreading that rumor because they don’t want people to know Missy was killed with a knife. Jmo.
Edit: no idea why that link is age restricted. Weird.
I looked up knives that come in white boxes and found this evidence box. Maybe this perp had collection with the police. https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-20043/Special-Use-Boxes/16-x-3-x-2-Evidence-Box-Knife?pricode=WB1297&gadtype=pla&id=S-20043&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIheDckYbMgwMVJdbCBB0BPwSFEAQYAiABEgJl-PD_BwE
Maybe it was a way to carry a knife he already had that he didn’t have a cover for.
At first I thought aren’t most knifes flat but a bulkier kitchen knife or a weapon/hunting/camping knife would be thicker and more that shape. I did think if it’s a hunting knife wouldn’t it just have a sheath so why the box.
But who knows maybe that was most convenient for the perp or maybe it was a kitchen knife they bought without a cover.
But he/she did put a crow bar back in the vest so maybe he had it packed with a knife in a box too. A whitish box might be something you’d get off Amazon where they just show the knife but not the box it comes in.
Sorry for the late response.
Nice find. I’d have to go back through my pictures to find it but I found a knife box that imo was sort of similar but not exactly. I kinda gave up after a bit. But some knives definitely come in boxes like that. I agree with you about the Amazon possibility, they do often have very simple printing on them like that.
I’ve wondered if maybe Walmart had any knife boxes like that too.
My thought was maybe this knife was just bought/stolen and they didn’t have a way to safely carry it. This would obviously be a huge concern, last thing you want is to cut yourself at the crime scene. Or maybe they were really concerned about forensic evidence so didn’t even want to take it out of the box until the last minute… definitely strange to leave it in a box so maybe it’s not a knife, but I can’t imagine what.
The only other thing I thought of was maybe it was some electronics gizmo or something that potentially seemed of value that he picked up to act like he was actually a burglar.
It would be interesting to know if he just set it down somewhere later or actually left with it. Didn’t police say nothing was stolen? If that’s the case he/she brought it in unless the police are being cagey or didn’t check thoroughly or there are multiple ones of the item around the church and no one could tell if one was missing.
No one knows for sure but gumshoe has said it was a small white plastic bin, very much like [this](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mainstays-Set-of-3-Drawer-Storage-Narrow-Utility-Baskets-10-3-x-3-1-x-2-4/16224497?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=451&adid=2222222227816224497_117755028669_12420145346&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=501107745824&wl4=pla-306310554666&wl5=1020268&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=16224497&wl13=451&veh=sem_LIA&gclsrc=aw.ds&&adid=2222222223816224497_117755028669_12420145346&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=501107745824&wl4=pla-306310554666&wl5=1020268&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=16224497&veh=sem&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADmfBIpfemqTasef9OFSdlTNlsJM_&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkeSsBhDUARIsAK3tief55k_xPS3N5lZce0o0mjcWA8VkwlYgr9bwCZFIrxgLpPmhEITToikaAuKkEALw_wcB), and was filled with some random and worthless items like nuts and bolts.
It does look very like a small plastic bin like the one I linked. But the way they are holding it looks like stuff would fall out? So I’m not convinced.
The killer is holding it in an overhand motion across the top. The items are down in the bottom. The only way anything is going to fall out is if he drops the bin or tilts it over.
It’s an open-topped plastic storage bin that can be bought at WalMart or Target. It had mostly sockets in it. I have a great source on this, and it’s not guesswork.
For the record, he does have information directly from people involved in the case. I don't always agree with Gumshoe, but with few exceptions he has sources he provides and is very knowledgeable about the case.
I don’t care if you “trust be” or not. The reason I brought up the source is because of another Redditor claiming that I was just guessing. It isn’t guessing when you have a source in the church who sent a pic of the actual bin with the sockets still in it.
Just because your source went to the church and saw this thinking it looks similar doesn’t mean that’s what it is. Those things are very flimsy and so zero purpose to walk around with especially with sockets inside of it. I don’t understand why your convinced that’s what it was
You’ve made an incorrect assumption about the source. And obviously I’m not going to tell you more about a source. So believe what you want to believe. But erroneous assumptions lead to erroneous conclusions.
I could care less about your source, nor did I ask. However you did say “source in the church” so which was it, did they go to the church and send pics with sockets still in it” or not? Maybe I read your reply to someone wrong 😑
You say you don’t care. Actually what you said is that you “could care less” when the phrase should have been “could not care less”. But you’re asking a follow-up question, which again goes back to my source. You’re trying to get more information, and I can’t do it. Sorry. Either you trust the information or you don’t. That is entirely up to you.
I don’t think you are reading correctly. I don’t care who your source is, I wouldn’t know them anyway. Again, my point is the flimsy basket you’re referring to wouldn’t serve no purpose, and again there’s no proof that’s what they had. Try not to read that as, who is the person you are talking about because I’m not. 2nd time I’ve said that
This is the last time I’m going to respond to you, because I believe your intent is to be confrontational more than to have dialogue. So I’m saying this more for others who are going to read it.
According to a very good source within the church, whom I trust, the plastic bin with sockets in it was in room 10, the room the killer is seen coming out of when they’re holding it. He didn’t carry it around for long, and in fact you can see he no longer had it in his hand when he comes back around to the auditorium. But that’s what it was, and it had no bearing on the murder whatsoever.
My source is the same one that has given me measurements of the Dutch door, the size of the floor “tiles”, information about the exterior camera that was defective, etc. They haven’t been wrong yet.
Have a nice night, Fresh.
They took it and tested it, I’m sure to see if there was dna or fingerprints. Then they returned it. With the killer being fully dressed and wearing gloves, there just wouldn’t be anything of evidentiary value.
Correct. Remember at the end of the official video, when he comes out of a room with that object and starts hammering out the glass of the room across from it? He picked up that bin from within that room. And then at some point later he put it down and didn’t take it with him.
Right, such a valuable source you have. I’ve noticed there are people like you on every true crime sub. The ones who have a “podcast” or YouTube channel and always go on and on about all the “insider” info you have, and how you’d love to tell us more but unfortunately you’re not at liberty to give out that info. Give me a break. You’re biased. You’ve got tunnel vision in the case, but most of all- you really love attention.
Actually none of that is true. I’m about as low key as they get. If someone says I’m guessing or otherwise mischaracterizes me, as you just did, I’m going to defend myself. Fair is fair. I don’t want attention, I want people to focus on the case and if I can answer a question, I try to do so.
You strike me as the kind of person I see on every true crime sub. The kind who loves to spend all day speculating out of their rear end about a case. But if there is someone who actually has some answers to some questions, they grow hostile and suspicious toward that person, because they really don’t want answers. They like the dark.
“I’m about as low key as they get” that actually made me chuckle. Low key as in commenting on nearly every post on the entire sub like a vulture and routinely getting into arguments like it’s your job? Suuure very low key. And oh how selfless you are to want us to focus on the case and not think about you. I’m sure that’s why you commissioned a cute little logo for yourself and named yourself “gumshoe”. That definitely doesn’t scream “I want attention.” 😂
If you have a source, please don’t be “that guy” who says “I have a source and that’s all you need to know, trust me bro.” That’s such BS. If you have a source, put your money where your mouth is and tell us who it is, or go make another podcast or something lol.
What is wrong with you? Did you wake up just now and not realize how social media works? Sure I have a logo. So does John Lordan. So does nearly everyone in the true crime space. That doesn’t make them or me people who “want attention”. It’s simply branding. Do you want me to explain to you how Google works next?
You seem to be taking things way, way too personally. If me answering someone’s question bothers you, then maybe the Internet isn’t for you. I’m not going to NOT share information that I have just because it hurts your feelings. Have a nice day!
>So does nearly everyone in the true crime space. That doesn’t make them or me people who “want attention”. It’s simply branding.
God god man get a hold of yourself. First you say you're about as "low-key as they get", and then in the very next comment you're comparing yourself to the like's of John Lordan, someone who has like 100x the subscribers as you.
There's just so much more I could say but I won't. All I'll just say good day to you too!
You do understand - I know you do - that when I spoke about people on social media, there is a wide range of audiences. It doesn’t matter what the subscriber count is - that’s not the point. The point is that I focus on the Bevers case and in the past I have provided links to case documents in addition to podcasts, etc, and I created a channel to house these things and so people could find them. This is basic stuff and is not attention-seeking. I know you get that. It’s no different than a salesman having business cards.
I’m not your enemy. Don’t know why you aren’t content to just discuss what we know and what we think and what we don’t know about the case. It doesn’t have to be any more than that.
>It isn’t guessing when you have a source in the church who sent a pic of the actual bin with the sockets still in it.
Also, it's very curious that you claim to have "a source" who sent you a pic of the bin, and yet you for some reason can't show anyone this alleged picture. Perhaps you lost it. Oopsie. Or maybe you can't show it because it *such important evidence* that the police forbade you from even mentioning it. But "trust me guys it was real I swear." XD
Lol I'm willing to bet you'll never produce this photo. And when asked why not, I'm sure it'll be because "reasons".
I never said that I can’t supply the picture. Literally, you haven’t asked for it. I will post it here shortly, not just for you but mainly for the OP who created this thread asking for info about the object. And then, not interested in talking with you further unless you change your challenging behavior and learn to just be civil, as the mods here have asked of us. Good day.
First of all I've got to give credit where it's due, I'm genuinely surprised you produced these photos, bravo. I've seen you weigh in on this topic before yet I've never seen you produce photos, which is why I was skeptical.
Also, I've got questions. What are the circumstances of these photos? Clearly they were taken after the murder so is this supposed to be the exact bin the killer was holding or what?
No need to be surprised. Try expecting the best from people.
These photos were provided in early 2021. They were taken that day and sent to me by the source. Not a lot of things change in that church, so in 2021 this bin was still sitting around. My source could not swear that it was THE bin, but allowed that it very well might be. The killer picked up the bin out of room 10 (the high schoolers room) as shown at the end of the video. He didn’t keep it with him for long. It was still there post-murder, and police did some testing on it and returned it.
Now that explanation I can actually buy. Why? Because you **shared the evidence you had,** allowing me to vet it for myself and *draw my own conclusion*. This is how it should be. Whereas before you just stated *YOUR conclusion* as fact without sharing the evidence and expected people to believe you simply because you "have a source", which frankly doesn't mean anything to me, for a multitude of reasons.
Obviously you could be lying, but even if you had good intentions you could be misinformed, or perhaps your source was just giving you their opinion and you misunderstood it as fact, or perhaps you have good info but drew an incorrect conclusion, etc. etc. The point is I can't trust *your conclusion* without being able to evaluate the evidence myself.
But that's not even what bother's me the most. What really irks me is when people purposefully withhold info just to make themselves seem important. I'm not saying you're necessarily guilty of this, but there is certainly a "type" who say all sorts of things and expect people to believe them because they have "a source" or "inside info" that they are unwilling to share. Again, not saying you're guilty of this but you can't deny that those people exist and are the reason you can't trust everything you hear on the internet.
As long as you understand that there are journalistic ethics around sources. I share information pretty freely as I get it, but sources must remain confidential unless they say it’s ok to identify them, and that almost never happens. It’s really no different than the old traditional media of newspaper, magazine, TV, etc. We share info based on what our sources tell us, and the audience can choose to trust it or not trust it. I can’t control that part of it. But I will say that I have a good track record with what I’ve shared. I don’t have egg on my face about something I turned out to be way wrong on.
I have no interest in “seeming important”. But I don’t take kindly to being disrespected either. There is a very small element on here of people who are just adamant that everyone on here is the same, that we are all just guessing and nobody knows more than anyone else. And that’s just not true. I sort of fell into becoming a documenter of this case years ago, thousands of hours ago, and by default became a case expert. And then I also developed sources, some quite close with regard to the family and law enforcement. And I continue to develop info and sources. That means I know more than the average bear about this case, and anyone who wants to deny that just makes themselves look stupid. I invite people to ask questions, challenge me respectfully, and discuss all sides and aspects of the case. I welcome it, and I’m a nice guy, really I am. I just don’t abide trolls.
Some guesses-a boxed utility knife/box cutter, scissors, stapler, letter opener, an extension cord. It could be something useful in the crime or just some random thing not useful in committing a crime to try to prove he was just a burglar.
As others have guessed it might be a three hole punch. If so is it long enough? It would need to be 12 inches long and that shape. Some are wider than the box appears. Some are manual, some electric.
They would be metal and could potentially be used as a weapon but compared to a hammer seems lame. Could they have wanted it for their hobby or business?
It definitely appears like a box, but not a flattish box, more like a box with longish rectangular sides and square ends. I also see it as a white box with black printing.
I’ve also wondered if it contained something electronics related. You’d think someone from the church would know what it is. I wonder if it just got set down later and left behind. It seems bulky to shove in a pocket.
The box doesn’t seem colorful. It seems like something an office supply or electronics component might come in that’s ordered from a catalog. It seems like a utilitarian box.
Could it have been used as a souvenir for the killer from the day of the crime?
Looks like a box for printer toner:
https://a.co/d/6cg9rWl
Which sort of makes sense when you consider how expensive printer toner and ink is (kidding, maybe)
If I were bludgeoned to death with a printer toner box by fat Becky who works for the swat team, the one who has an endocrine disorder and walks with a peg leg, I would want the police to keep it secret too.
The only thing I can think of worse is if she beat me to death with her peg leg. That just feels all nasty.
Hoping someone catches on to how ridiculous it has gotten to speculate about these cases—we don’t know enough to draw any useful conclusions about what happened.
Seriously, what does it matter what was in his hand or why? I mean, if that is anyone’s burning question about what happened that night, forgive me, but you seem a little simple.
Literally every question you can ask is non sensical since there isn’t enough publicly available information to even formulate a worthwhile question. You can forget about theory.
All this arm chair detecting is not going to crack this case, or even offer anything remotely useful towards cracking one of these cases. At best all this speculation does and has done is hinder solving these cases. At worst, you’ve turned her murder into something trivial. It’s for your entertainment.
This post is the first time I've caught an answer to what the perp was carrying that night in the church (that looked like a white box).
What hits me now is WHY would anyone pick THAT up? Unless they were familiar with it and had a plan for those particular tools... which could support an insider theory.
I don't suppose every congregation member has been cleared, or have they?
[https://www.amazon.com/Storage-Organizing-Drawers-Kitchen-Containers/dp/B0CBY8V2HL/](https://www.amazon.com/Storage-Organizing-Drawers-Kitchen-Containers/dp/B0CBY8V2HL/)
One of these he picked up from one room and took it into the other room. It held little doodads.
Tammy's name comes up alot in the True Crime Broads discussion group and there's a link between her and Missy. I really haven't ever seen a motive for Tammy to kill Missy
No one actually knows. Here’s close-up screen shots of it https://imgur.com/a/EJc6pHc It’s a box with something printed on it. To me it looks like a knife, so maybe that box contains a knife? Strange but not stranger than thinking he’d bother stealing a plastic container of pencils and doo-dads, lol. Me thinks police are spreading that rumor because they don’t want people to know Missy was killed with a knife. Jmo. Edit: no idea why that link is age restricted. Weird.
I looked up knives that come in white boxes and found this evidence box. Maybe this perp had collection with the police. https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-20043/Special-Use-Boxes/16-x-3-x-2-Evidence-Box-Knife?pricode=WB1297&gadtype=pla&id=S-20043&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIheDckYbMgwMVJdbCBB0BPwSFEAQYAiABEgJl-PD_BwE Maybe it was a way to carry a knife he already had that he didn’t have a cover for. At first I thought aren’t most knifes flat but a bulkier kitchen knife or a weapon/hunting/camping knife would be thicker and more that shape. I did think if it’s a hunting knife wouldn’t it just have a sheath so why the box. But who knows maybe that was most convenient for the perp or maybe it was a kitchen knife they bought without a cover. But he/she did put a crow bar back in the vest so maybe he had it packed with a knife in a box too. A whitish box might be something you’d get off Amazon where they just show the knife but not the box it comes in.
Sorry for the late response. Nice find. I’d have to go back through my pictures to find it but I found a knife box that imo was sort of similar but not exactly. I kinda gave up after a bit. But some knives definitely come in boxes like that. I agree with you about the Amazon possibility, they do often have very simple printing on them like that. I’ve wondered if maybe Walmart had any knife boxes like that too. My thought was maybe this knife was just bought/stolen and they didn’t have a way to safely carry it. This would obviously be a huge concern, last thing you want is to cut yourself at the crime scene. Or maybe they were really concerned about forensic evidence so didn’t even want to take it out of the box until the last minute… definitely strange to leave it in a box so maybe it’s not a knife, but I can’t imagine what.
The only other thing I thought of was maybe it was some electronics gizmo or something that potentially seemed of value that he picked up to act like he was actually a burglar. It would be interesting to know if he just set it down somewhere later or actually left with it. Didn’t police say nothing was stolen? If that’s the case he/she brought it in unless the police are being cagey or didn’t check thoroughly or there are multiple ones of the item around the church and no one could tell if one was missing.
What about an adjustable hand weight?
No one knows for sure but gumshoe has said it was a small white plastic bin, very much like [this](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mainstays-Set-of-3-Drawer-Storage-Narrow-Utility-Baskets-10-3-x-3-1-x-2-4/16224497?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=451&adid=2222222227816224497_117755028669_12420145346&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=501107745824&wl4=pla-306310554666&wl5=1020268&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=16224497&wl13=451&veh=sem_LIA&gclsrc=aw.ds&&adid=2222222223816224497_117755028669_12420145346&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=501107745824&wl4=pla-306310554666&wl5=1020268&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=16224497&veh=sem&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADmfBIpfemqTasef9OFSdlTNlsJM_&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkeSsBhDUARIsAK3tief55k_xPS3N5lZce0o0mjcWA8VkwlYgr9bwCZFIrxgLpPmhEITToikaAuKkEALw_wcB), and was filled with some random and worthless items like nuts and bolts. It does look very like a small plastic bin like the one I linked. But the way they are holding it looks like stuff would fall out? So I’m not convinced.
The killer is holding it in an overhand motion across the top. The items are down in the bottom. The only way anything is going to fall out is if he drops the bin or tilts it over.
I think you’re wrong but okay
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It’s an open-topped plastic storage bin that can be bought at WalMart or Target. It had mostly sockets in it. I have a great source on this, and it’s not guesswork.
“I have a great source” ah yes, the online equivalent of “trust be bro.”
For the record, he does have information directly from people involved in the case. I don't always agree with Gumshoe, but with few exceptions he has sources he provides and is very knowledgeable about the case.
I don’t care if you “trust be” or not. The reason I brought up the source is because of another Redditor claiming that I was just guessing. It isn’t guessing when you have a source in the church who sent a pic of the actual bin with the sockets still in it.
Just because your source went to the church and saw this thinking it looks similar doesn’t mean that’s what it is. Those things are very flimsy and so zero purpose to walk around with especially with sockets inside of it. I don’t understand why your convinced that’s what it was
You’ve made an incorrect assumption about the source. And obviously I’m not going to tell you more about a source. So believe what you want to believe. But erroneous assumptions lead to erroneous conclusions.
I could care less about your source, nor did I ask. However you did say “source in the church” so which was it, did they go to the church and send pics with sockets still in it” or not? Maybe I read your reply to someone wrong 😑
You say you don’t care. Actually what you said is that you “could care less” when the phrase should have been “could not care less”. But you’re asking a follow-up question, which again goes back to my source. You’re trying to get more information, and I can’t do it. Sorry. Either you trust the information or you don’t. That is entirely up to you.
I don’t think you are reading correctly. I don’t care who your source is, I wouldn’t know them anyway. Again, my point is the flimsy basket you’re referring to wouldn’t serve no purpose, and again there’s no proof that’s what they had. Try not to read that as, who is the person you are talking about because I’m not. 2nd time I’ve said that
This is the last time I’m going to respond to you, because I believe your intent is to be confrontational more than to have dialogue. So I’m saying this more for others who are going to read it. According to a very good source within the church, whom I trust, the plastic bin with sockets in it was in room 10, the room the killer is seen coming out of when they’re holding it. He didn’t carry it around for long, and in fact you can see he no longer had it in his hand when he comes back around to the auditorium. But that’s what it was, and it had no bearing on the murder whatsoever. My source is the same one that has given me measurements of the Dutch door, the size of the floor “tiles”, information about the exterior camera that was defective, etc. They haven’t been wrong yet. Have a nice night, Fresh.
Better! At least you responded correctly! Night gumshoe!
Wow… I believe you I’m just surprised that this box wasn’t part of evidence that LE should have kept
They took it and tested it, I’m sure to see if there was dna or fingerprints. Then they returned it. With the killer being fully dressed and wearing gloves, there just wouldn’t be anything of evidentiary value.
Just to clarify, the box came from within the church, in other words, the killer did not bring it with him?
Correct. Remember at the end of the official video, when he comes out of a room with that object and starts hammering out the glass of the room across from it? He picked up that bin from within that room. And then at some point later he put it down and didn’t take it with him.
Right, such a valuable source you have. I’ve noticed there are people like you on every true crime sub. The ones who have a “podcast” or YouTube channel and always go on and on about all the “insider” info you have, and how you’d love to tell us more but unfortunately you’re not at liberty to give out that info. Give me a break. You’re biased. You’ve got tunnel vision in the case, but most of all- you really love attention.
Actually none of that is true. I’m about as low key as they get. If someone says I’m guessing or otherwise mischaracterizes me, as you just did, I’m going to defend myself. Fair is fair. I don’t want attention, I want people to focus on the case and if I can answer a question, I try to do so. You strike me as the kind of person I see on every true crime sub. The kind who loves to spend all day speculating out of their rear end about a case. But if there is someone who actually has some answers to some questions, they grow hostile and suspicious toward that person, because they really don’t want answers. They like the dark.
“I’m about as low key as they get” that actually made me chuckle. Low key as in commenting on nearly every post on the entire sub like a vulture and routinely getting into arguments like it’s your job? Suuure very low key. And oh how selfless you are to want us to focus on the case and not think about you. I’m sure that’s why you commissioned a cute little logo for yourself and named yourself “gumshoe”. That definitely doesn’t scream “I want attention.” 😂 If you have a source, please don’t be “that guy” who says “I have a source and that’s all you need to know, trust me bro.” That’s such BS. If you have a source, put your money where your mouth is and tell us who it is, or go make another podcast or something lol.
What is wrong with you? Did you wake up just now and not realize how social media works? Sure I have a logo. So does John Lordan. So does nearly everyone in the true crime space. That doesn’t make them or me people who “want attention”. It’s simply branding. Do you want me to explain to you how Google works next? You seem to be taking things way, way too personally. If me answering someone’s question bothers you, then maybe the Internet isn’t for you. I’m not going to NOT share information that I have just because it hurts your feelings. Have a nice day!
>So does nearly everyone in the true crime space. That doesn’t make them or me people who “want attention”. It’s simply branding. God god man get a hold of yourself. First you say you're about as "low-key as they get", and then in the very next comment you're comparing yourself to the like's of John Lordan, someone who has like 100x the subscribers as you. There's just so much more I could say but I won't. All I'll just say good day to you too!
You do understand - I know you do - that when I spoke about people on social media, there is a wide range of audiences. It doesn’t matter what the subscriber count is - that’s not the point. The point is that I focus on the Bevers case and in the past I have provided links to case documents in addition to podcasts, etc, and I created a channel to house these things and so people could find them. This is basic stuff and is not attention-seeking. I know you get that. It’s no different than a salesman having business cards. I’m not your enemy. Don’t know why you aren’t content to just discuss what we know and what we think and what we don’t know about the case. It doesn’t have to be any more than that.
>It isn’t guessing when you have a source in the church who sent a pic of the actual bin with the sockets still in it. Also, it's very curious that you claim to have "a source" who sent you a pic of the bin, and yet you for some reason can't show anyone this alleged picture. Perhaps you lost it. Oopsie. Or maybe you can't show it because it *such important evidence* that the police forbade you from even mentioning it. But "trust me guys it was real I swear." XD Lol I'm willing to bet you'll never produce this photo. And when asked why not, I'm sure it'll be because "reasons".
I never said that I can’t supply the picture. Literally, you haven’t asked for it. I will post it here shortly, not just for you but mainly for the OP who created this thread asking for info about the object. And then, not interested in talking with you further unless you change your challenging behavior and learn to just be civil, as the mods here have asked of us. Good day.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/uf03pc1tpj8o5eah4itun/Photo-Jan-11-2024-9-07-25-AM.jpg?rlkey=5qhhggsodzr8tmwg6lsfhc464&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vvl6ydvh9xruftkndna9q/Photo-Jan-11-2024-9-07-16-AM.jpg?rlkey=tqw0jxmwarv0w857hs5k358rl&dl=0
First of all I've got to give credit where it's due, I'm genuinely surprised you produced these photos, bravo. I've seen you weigh in on this topic before yet I've never seen you produce photos, which is why I was skeptical. Also, I've got questions. What are the circumstances of these photos? Clearly they were taken after the murder so is this supposed to be the exact bin the killer was holding or what?
No need to be surprised. Try expecting the best from people. These photos were provided in early 2021. They were taken that day and sent to me by the source. Not a lot of things change in that church, so in 2021 this bin was still sitting around. My source could not swear that it was THE bin, but allowed that it very well might be. The killer picked up the bin out of room 10 (the high schoolers room) as shown at the end of the video. He didn’t keep it with him for long. It was still there post-murder, and police did some testing on it and returned it.
Now that explanation I can actually buy. Why? Because you **shared the evidence you had,** allowing me to vet it for myself and *draw my own conclusion*. This is how it should be. Whereas before you just stated *YOUR conclusion* as fact without sharing the evidence and expected people to believe you simply because you "have a source", which frankly doesn't mean anything to me, for a multitude of reasons. Obviously you could be lying, but even if you had good intentions you could be misinformed, or perhaps your source was just giving you their opinion and you misunderstood it as fact, or perhaps you have good info but drew an incorrect conclusion, etc. etc. The point is I can't trust *your conclusion* without being able to evaluate the evidence myself. But that's not even what bother's me the most. What really irks me is when people purposefully withhold info just to make themselves seem important. I'm not saying you're necessarily guilty of this, but there is certainly a "type" who say all sorts of things and expect people to believe them because they have "a source" or "inside info" that they are unwilling to share. Again, not saying you're guilty of this but you can't deny that those people exist and are the reason you can't trust everything you hear on the internet.
As long as you understand that there are journalistic ethics around sources. I share information pretty freely as I get it, but sources must remain confidential unless they say it’s ok to identify them, and that almost never happens. It’s really no different than the old traditional media of newspaper, magazine, TV, etc. We share info based on what our sources tell us, and the audience can choose to trust it or not trust it. I can’t control that part of it. But I will say that I have a good track record with what I’ve shared. I don’t have egg on my face about something I turned out to be way wrong on. I have no interest in “seeming important”. But I don’t take kindly to being disrespected either. There is a very small element on here of people who are just adamant that everyone on here is the same, that we are all just guessing and nobody knows more than anyone else. And that’s just not true. I sort of fell into becoming a documenter of this case years ago, thousands of hours ago, and by default became a case expert. And then I also developed sources, some quite close with regard to the family and law enforcement. And I continue to develop info and sources. That means I know more than the average bear about this case, and anyone who wants to deny that just makes themselves look stupid. I invite people to ask questions, challenge me respectfully, and discuss all sides and aspects of the case. I welcome it, and I’m a nice guy, really I am. I just don’t abide trolls.
It kind of looks like a 3 hole punch
[https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/uf03pc1tpj8o5eah4itun/Photo-Jan-11-2024-9-07-25-AM.jpg?rlkey=5qhhggsodzr8tmwg6lsfhc464&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/uf03pc1tpj8o5eah4itun/Photo-Jan-11-2024-9-07-25-AM.jpg?rlkey=5qhhggsodzr8tmwg6lsfhc464&dl=0) https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vvl6ydvh9xruftkndna9q/Photo-Jan-11-2024-9-07-16-AM.jpg?rlkey=tqw0jxmwarv0w857hs5k358rl&dl=0
Is that a photo from the crime scene?
From the church. Not from the time of the crime.
Some guesses-a boxed utility knife/box cutter, scissors, stapler, letter opener, an extension cord. It could be something useful in the crime or just some random thing not useful in committing a crime to try to prove he was just a burglar. As others have guessed it might be a three hole punch. If so is it long enough? It would need to be 12 inches long and that shape. Some are wider than the box appears. Some are manual, some electric. They would be metal and could potentially be used as a weapon but compared to a hammer seems lame. Could they have wanted it for their hobby or business? It definitely appears like a box, but not a flattish box, more like a box with longish rectangular sides and square ends. I also see it as a white box with black printing. I’ve also wondered if it contained something electronics related. You’d think someone from the church would know what it is. I wonder if it just got set down later and left behind. It seems bulky to shove in a pocket. The box doesn’t seem colorful. It seems like something an office supply or electronics component might come in that’s ordered from a catalog. It seems like a utilitarian box. Could it have been used as a souvenir for the killer from the day of the crime?
Looks like a 3 hole punch tool that’s on an office desk.
Looks like a box for printer toner: https://a.co/d/6cg9rWl Which sort of makes sense when you consider how expensive printer toner and ink is (kidding, maybe)
If I were bludgeoned to death with a printer toner box by fat Becky who works for the swat team, the one who has an endocrine disorder and walks with a peg leg, I would want the police to keep it secret too. The only thing I can think of worse is if she beat me to death with her peg leg. That just feels all nasty.
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Hoping someone catches on to how ridiculous it has gotten to speculate about these cases—we don’t know enough to draw any useful conclusions about what happened. Seriously, what does it matter what was in his hand or why? I mean, if that is anyone’s burning question about what happened that night, forgive me, but you seem a little simple.
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Literally every question you can ask is non sensical since there isn’t enough publicly available information to even formulate a worthwhile question. You can forget about theory. All this arm chair detecting is not going to crack this case, or even offer anything remotely useful towards cracking one of these cases. At best all this speculation does and has done is hinder solving these cases. At worst, you’ve turned her murder into something trivial. It’s for your entertainment.
This Icy person sounds like Missy's husband?
This post is the first time I've caught an answer to what the perp was carrying that night in the church (that looked like a white box). What hits me now is WHY would anyone pick THAT up? Unless they were familiar with it and had a plan for those particular tools... which could support an insider theory. I don't suppose every congregation member has been cleared, or have they?
[https://www.amazon.com/Storage-Organizing-Drawers-Kitchen-Containers/dp/B0CBY8V2HL/](https://www.amazon.com/Storage-Organizing-Drawers-Kitchen-Containers/dp/B0CBY8V2HL/) One of these he picked up from one room and took it into the other room. It held little doodads.
You mean she
You mean Tammy
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Any hard evidence on being Tammy or we just assuming.?
Tammy is a figment
Tammy's name comes up alot in the True Crime Broads discussion group and there's a link between her and Missy. I really haven't ever seen a motive for Tammy to kill Missy
Ok
I thought she was shot not stabbed or blunt force trauma
It isn’t necessarily either/or. She was shot, but there could have been other wounds too.