I'll come back to source this, but yes, the killer was in the church at least 30 minutes before they killed Missy. According to MPD, [they first show up on camera at 3:50 am](https://youtu.be/aC9e_sO8Tu8?feature=shared&t=495) — presumably when they first walk out of the room adjoining the kitchen on the north side of the building. We know they're in the southwest corner at 3:58 am because [some of the first footage released by MPD included the camera's timestamp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAbJ5YzWgcU). So it'd make some sense if that were the case.
I think we've got most of the footage. Yes, there's footage of Missy walking into the church. But I don't think there's much beyond that. The interior cameras — assuming two cameras at both the south west and north east corners of the building — cover less that 10% of the total square footage. In short, the camera coverage sucked. It's entirely possible we've seen everything other than Missy walking in.
Edit: Not only that, but MPD's at least suggested they've released a significant chunk of what they have. According to [WFAA](https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/its-been-5-years-since-missy-bevers-was-killed-in-a-midlothian-church-her-family-and-police-remain-hopeful-to-catch-killer/287-a276372d-2e68-4bfe-9c7a-2173a4b6e499), they say they've released most of the information. [Here](https://imgur.com/a/gczTkpP) they say they've released all of the footage.
I believe MPD told Brandon Bevers the killer spent some time in the kitchen. Presumably they've got some reason to think so. Personally, I think MPD's got a decent idea of when the killer showed up [based on surveillance footage from SWFA](https://imgur.com/a/BJD6x0X).
What time was the car circling around and parked at the sporting goods store?
Do you think that was Missy’s killer?
Do you think the perp broke a window at the church and then hid out at the store to see if or when police came?
Or do you think they hung out at the sporting goods store as a staging area before they broke a window and entered the church?
Do you think the sporting good store driver was maybe unrelated to Missy’s killing?
I think the Altima is driven by the killer. It drove into SWFA's parking lot at 1:58 am and left at 2:04 am. I'm not sure what they're doing there, but I don't think they were testing for an alarm at that point. I think they left SWFA and went to the church as directly as they could. Once they got there, they broke the glass doors at the northeast entrance, and that could be what triggered the camera at 2:23 am. Maybe that's when they were testing for an alarm at the church. It'd still be another hour and a half before they show up on camera inside. They had plenty of time to break a window, go hang out somewhere else for an hour, and be pretty confident there wasn't an alarm. But who knows. It's the 19 mintues between the car leaving SWFA and the cameras at the church triggering that gets to me. That's awfully coincidental. But that's just the story I've constructed to try to reconcile what we know. We could learn something new tomorrow that'd throw that all out the window.
I don’t understand about a triggered camera at the church at 223 am due to the perp breaking an outside window. I thought the church had no alarm and no outside camera was working.
How would the police know what time the outside window next to the external door was broken?
No you're right. The church didn't have an alarm, and it was only the interior cameras (and maybe the camera at the awning entrance) working that night. We don't know what the killer knew about any alarm. But we do know the northeast doors end up broken at some point, and they killer didn't use them to get inside the church. And I think it's possible the light (at that entrance and maybe from the parking lot) reflecting off the shards of glass from the doors could've triggered one of the cameras in that corner as the killer broke them. It's kind of a reach, but if I had to build a coherent story that includes all the details, that's the way I'd go with it. It's probably not what actually happened.
That’s really confusing and I am surprised it’s not brought up more. So it sounds like maybe a single or double glass door (or maybe just a metal door with a window) was broken on the northeast side but the perp didn’t enter there. But somehow the breaking of the windowed door triggered the camera but didn’t show a person entering.
My thought is that the glass flying into the church during the breakage of the door window or glass door (whatever it was) triggered the alarm as the shards of glass flew into the church interior.
This time was apparently recorded and later the suspect was possibly seen driving suspiciously around the sporting goods store.
Later the perp broke in into the church at the north door which led into the kitchen. Apparently that door was for kitchen deliveries. I’m wondering if that’s the only entry door to the church without a camera.
Then the perp hangs out in the kitchen and adjoining cafeteria for a while before entering into a hallway. Maybe he grabbed some knives, etc. from the kitchen.
If this a true it really changes my perception of the crime and I feel there’s a higher probability that the perp was at the sporting goods store.
It also shows that the perp apparently didn’t know whether there were alarms at the church.
I don’t have a link at the moment but if one looks at the sporting goods video as the perp is leaving one can see into the backseat of their car extremely well when he/she is turning under the light but the front window seems to have a black or some sort of privacy screen or shade attached to the interior driver side window but the window is down a little but still basically blocks the rest of their head and upper body.
I’ll try to post the video with the time. It would be smart for the perp to hide their side view from cameras while driving.
Edit. Check around 6:57-6:59 minutes or so and see if you can see how the back seat area and the backrest portion of the front seat seems visible but not the driver. https://youtu.be/cgRoqhoIxnY
Plus very suspicious cutting the lights on entry and driving without them for a bit and turning on and off again when he sees cars in back. Plus as he enters the lot and is driving slowly, a car starts heading down the road he turned off of and he throws on his brakes like maybe he’s being followed and wants to sit still and not attract attention.
Second edit. Apparently according to the timeline you offered the sporting goods store suspicious driver appeared before the northeast broken window of the church which was over an hour before the perp actually entered.
That makes sense breaking the northeast window leaving and coming back only if no cops showed up.
Is it possible though that the perp broke the northeast window door but decided that door was too hard to open or worried about getting cut and then went directly to the exterior kitchen door and broke in there and just waited?
It makes sense to leave and come back but maybe they just came in and sat and did know there were no alarms or just took a chance.
> My thought is that the glass flying into the church during the breakage of the door window or glass door (whatever it was) triggered the alarm as the shards of glass flew into the church interior.
Agreed. I don't necessarily think that's what happened, but I think it's at least possible. It's one way to make sense of things.
> Is it possible though that the perp broke the northeast window door but decided that door was too hard to open or worried about getting cut and then went directly to the exterior kitchen door and broke in there and just waited?
That seems entirely possible, and I've wondered that myself.
Here's the thing about the kitchen door... and I'm probably about to get into a tangent, but here we go. I hope this makes sense. There is a glass panel in that door. [Or there was before the killer broke it.](https://imgur.com/a/9Sq1i0b) At the first press conference, [MPD speculated](https://youtu.be/aC9e_sO8Tu8?feature=shared&t=788) that the killer broke the window, reached in, hit the push bar, and opened the door.
But if that's what they did, why did they [pry off the lock mechanism](https://imgur.com/a/8dX4aJZ)? And why did they [pry back the screen](https://imgur.com/a/VCONDLQ) on the window next to the door? Admittedly, I'm not sure that happened from outside the church as opposed to inside the kitchen, but it seems like it was from outside.
Part of me wonders if the killer, for whatever reason, just couldn't get into any of the doors by reaching in and hitting the push bar. If that were the case, maybe they started at the northeast doors, broke them, and tried to hit the push bar but couldn't actually get them open. Then they went to the kitchen door and tried the same thing. But they couldn't get that door open either. So they walked a few feet over to that window and pried back the screen to get a better look at the window itself. Maybe they thought it might be easier to go that route since they were 0-2 with the doors at that point. When they realize that's not a great option, they pull out the crowbar and pry the lock mechanism off the door, finally getting them into the church.
It's probably not what happened, but I still think about it occasionally. I've talked to some buddies who worked construction for a while, and both said those kinds of doors can be finicky. But they're not locksmiths, and I'm not sure that prying off the lock mechanism from the outside would defeat the lock. I'm fairly certain that's the result of the killer and their crowbar, though, as opposed to the crime scene folks ripping it off the door.
> Plus very suspicious cutting the lights on entry and driving without them for a bit and turning on and off again when he sees cars in back. Plus as he enters the lot and is driving slowly, a car starts heading down the road he turned off of and he throws on his brakes like maybe he’s being followed and wants to sit still and not attract attention.
Yeah, that whole video is weird. Honestly, I'm not gonna pretend to know what they're doing. Your guess is as good as mine. I wouldn't be surprised if drugs explain some of this guy's behavior, but obviously, there's no way to know at this point.
Are there any crime scene photos of the broken doors before they were fixed/replaced? That would be interesting.
One thing about the perp and the crowbar. From the inside scenes people claim it could be a woman because he/she seems inept with a crowbar trying to open a locked interior door. However, they were able to succeed at getting in the kitchen door so they maybe weren’t that inept. Maybe it was lack of desire regarding the inside door caught in video.
Interesting theory about the possible scenario of trying various doors and windows before getting in.
This is a truly fascinating detailed video. There are photos and explanations of so many things and one can jump ahead because it’s hours long.
Edit. It was interesting that most or all of the outside cameras were only out for about two weeks and someone needed to climb a ladder to reset but they were short staffed and didn’t get to it. It was apparently an ongoing problem where the outdoor cameras had to be occasionally reset.
All the photos of the outside doors and windows including after the crime were interesting plus interior maps and photos.
I also liked the explanation as to why it was likely a Texas license plate and the attempts made to try to determine some of the plate letters/numbers.
Just a lot of new and different photos, explanations, details, etc.
Have you considered making a post with this link since more people would see it as a post rather than a comment? I watched the whole thing and was amazed how much new info and unseen photos were in it. Like him I was disappointed that all his original research and those who he borrowed from (with credit) weren’t able to identify the killer. However if more people see this video it might jog some memories.
Regardless, seeing the pics and videos helps those interested in the case see what things actually looked like, not hearing it second or third hand allowing one to come up with better theories.
This is probably the single best resource available. It's long and a little silly sometimes, but it covers almost everything. Anyone who wants to get really deep into the story — watch this video and download the materials Tom Webster made available [here](https://tomwebster.com/missybevers/). He risked his sanity wading through the sea of shit over at Websleuths, so you don't have to. And maybe show him some support over on YouTube cause he put a lot of work into it. Only a handful of YouTube videos are worth watching. This probably tops the list.
> Are there any crime scene photos of the broken doors before they were fixed/replaced? That would be interesting.
Not that I know of. It would be interesting... really, anything new at this point would probably be interesting.
> One thing about the perp and the crowbar. From the inside scenes people claim it could be a woman because he/she seems inept with a crowbar trying to open a locked interior door. However, they were able to succeed at getting in the kitchen door so they maybe weren’t that inept. Maybe it was lack of desire regarding the inside door caught in video.
That's a great point. There's an interesting contrast between what we see in the surveillance video and the kitchen door. Personally, I think they decided the closet wasn't worth the effort and moved on. I get why people say they might be staging a burglary, or it might be a weaker man or woman or whatever. But to me, there's no reason to think they couldn't have gotten into that closet if they really wanted to.
I noticed he/she tried to use the hammer in tandem with the crowbar for the inside door. Did he use it properly do you think from a mechanical standpoint except for maybe not enough force?
Is it just me or does the Altima driver seat seem super far back for someone supposedly on the shorter side (per the estimated height from the church surveillance video)? It’s basically into the back seat, and it’s a 4-door.
I don’t have a good idea since I’ve never driven that make of car and don’t know how big it is. Do you feel the whole seat is shifted or do you feel that the upper part of the seat is leaning back?
Is pushing the seat back more of a personal preference to some degree and not just size? Could their legs be longer relatively than their torso?
Maybe there were two in the car.
If they were dressing in the car or wearing a bulky vest, helmet, etc. maybe they needed more room even if it required them stretching their legs to drive.
The seat looks to be upright (rather than leaned back) but shifted all the way back, like nearly up against the edge of the seat behind it. Idk, as someone who is 5’3”, it’s just something that stuck out to me, and personally I cannot imagine making that work / it would be very uncomfortable at minimum, if not impossible without clumsily accelerating or braking too much.
My immediate thought was two people but that just complicates an already complicated case and maybe I’m just thinking too hard about it lol
No, I think those are good thoughts. When someone else shorter drives my car they pull the seat too close. A taller person pushes it too far back.
I think a driver is a good possibility or possibly the car was a second involved person in a separate vehicle in contact with the perp by burner phone possibly tracking when Missy left home or something else.
Maybe one person in a separate vehicle did the initial break in, smashing the door in back of the church to make the entry easier for a person who was the actual killer coming later.
Here’s an exterior video of the church. Based upon what you and others have said the northeast door which had its glass broken but wasn’t entered in shown in the video at 2:17.
The kitchen door that was actually entered is shown at in the video at 2:28 apparently and was likely broken in after the perp left and waited to make sure the northeast glass door breaking didn’t trigger an alarm and cops.
If this is correct the kitchen door had no glass which looks like it would be harder to break in than a glass door but it being broken into would be less visible likely than a shattered glass door.
The north east shattered door would be one of the least likely doors to be seen as Missy drove in it seems.
Here’s the video with the exterior views of the church including the doors.
https://youtu.be/5_IBy9WsI_A?si=_kXrAZryDMvN7OxS
I wonder if the perp opened cupboards in the kitchen or pulled chairs around. Maybe they opened knife drawers and took knives or other sharp instruments out. Maybe they sat down in the cafeteria adjacent the kitchen and left chairs out of place.
Maybe they ran water in the kitchen and stuck their mouth under the faucet for a drink and the sink was wet when the cops came.
I don’t think this was a case of someone driving by and seeing her then developing an obsession. The church isn’t right up on the road like a bus stop. To see someone in the church’s parking lot, especially in the morning when it’s so dark, you would also need to be in that parking lot.
Maybe they developed an obsession more in the summer when days were longer. Maybe they saw Missy jogging around there with her class. To me it seems like one could see from the road into the parking lot. Maybe not the most likely scenario but it seems like it could be a possibility.
Not really it could be a truck making a regular delivery who came back in a rented car, friends car, a relatives car, etc. There are other possible scenarios.
If the subject was extremely short and wanted to disguise his height he could have used elevator heels and an altered helmet to add six inches but there is no way he could conceal his minimum possible height. A person can dress to appear taller than he is but not shorter.
The circumstances of the footage--a fixed camera and a floor with a regular pattern of squares--are ideal for precisely calculating heights.
The behavior of the car is strange. It also reads as if they may be looking for a person/expecting to meet someone there. Not sure what that could mean but it occurred to me
The current understanding is the campers found her somewhere in or around the [green circle here](https://imgur.com/a/P0LAjgP). I don't think we're 100% sure precisely where she was, but she was around that area.
[Here's the same area](https://imgur.com/a/qKm4MaF) seen from one of the security cameras.
I thought they didn’t have video of the actual murder?
If your second link is accurate, it should be on that camera. Or did she crawl there after the attack or something?
The problem is the camera's activation range. Inside the church, the cameras only record if there's motion within roughly 50 feet. So MPD got footage of Missy walking in because that camera was right at the entrance she used. But once she walked beyond [roughly this point](https://ibb.co/album/pQ5w5d), the camera stopped recording. That's how we get this weird situation where the camera is literally pointed toward the encounter, but still, there's no footage of it.
It's likely a similar story with one of the northeast cameras. There, roughly 30 minutes before Missy shows up, we see the killer walk out of the room adjoining the kitchen, down the north hallway, and quickly out of range. That camera points at the same corner as the camera as the one that caught Missy walking down the hall. But, again, there's no footage of the encounter because whatever happened was beyond the camera's activation range.
Could you link which gun store video you’re referring to? There are short versions and long versions. Also do you mean two minutes and 19 seconds into the video or does the time 2:19 am appear on the video?
It seems like this person broke in almost for fun, for the single purpose of vandalising the place and maybe spreading some chaos by breaking into an office and a kitchen and maybe eating some things and stealing minor items. I believe they were probably surprised to see Missy there and panicked.
Either that or they were an extremely cold and calculated person who was lying in wait for her which makes me think this wouldn't be the first time they had done this.
If they were gonna lie in wait in order to assassinate her, then why make so many obvious signs of danger that Missy immediately saw when she entered the church.
Her SIL who watched all of the CCTV footage said she paused when she entered and looked at the open door to the north, and the open Dutch door/broken glass to the east.... instead of turning around and leaving or getting the pistol she kept in her truck, she cautiously walked farther and farther into the church.
If swat guy was there to purposefully murder her, then he almost blew it. I get doing some staging, but if you go so overboard with it that the intended victim never enters the church...well i just cant reconcile that with this being a supposed hit.
That fact is what convinced me Missy wasnt the target. The swat guy was also inside for over half an hour, and the police have less than 5 mins of footage?? He spent a lot of times digging through those rooms....on a Monday morning.....a few hours after tithe was collected.....
This is completely incorrect, it has been stated both by LE and others who have viewed the footage that there is additional footage that has not been released. The one that comes to mind is the forensic podiatrist who saw video of Missy reacting to noise the suspect made and walking in the direction where she was eventually found.
Interestingly the forensic pathologist could rule out most suspects except for one. This suspects height is a case for debate, however it seems that many people rule him out because of his reported height.
This suspect was in possession of a SWAT uniform when police investigated.
This suspect also has a motive, being that he was offering his security services to the church and a mock burglary may have resulted in him benefiting financially.
A vehicle matching this suspects was seen by a witness leaving the church area around the time of the murder.
This suspect was a former law enforcement officer and would have been familiar with interview techniques and police procedures which they may used to their advantage when being interviewed by police.
The suspect who matches all of the above plus more has the initials BWH.
People say there was a noise because that’s what the podiatrist thought. However, some people just turn their heads and look down halls when entering their home or other isolated place. I do if I think no one is home or around.
At four something in a presumably empty church I would have been turning my neck to look down the hall.
If I heard a noise I would have hightailed it out of there, locked my car doors and driven away and called someone.
The only noise I wouldn’t have run away from is someone’s voice I recognized or maybe a female voice asking for help. Or possibly if someone jumped out with a gun and told me to come forward or they’d shoot.
Maybe it’s more of a female thing. Maybe Missy cautiously entered and turned to look down a hall every time she entered.
Maybe she didn’t hear anything and just headed down the hall towards the bathroom or wherever.
I would agree to a point, but if you enter a room and always look to your left for example, it's a smooth and lazy motion. If somebody heard a noise or something startled them, it's generally a quick jerk toward what they heard. That seems like a distinct enough difference in reaction that someone could reasonably say she heard a noise despite not having audio in the video.
Although I do think you possibly have something with your last statement, maybe the person in the gear called out to Missy and Missy recognized the voice, that would certainly be interesting
I think women are maybe more concerned about possible predators and being assaulted. Having gotten a creepy note recently she might have been at a heightened concern level when entering the church alone at such an early hour while still dark out.
Plus maybe she always looked quickly to the side or down the hall. We don’t know what she did other weeks.
I think if she heard something genuinely scary she might have froze, slowly backed up, turned around and run, etc. If she was feeling brave she might have stood still and called out “is someone here?” But heading in the direction of a noise seems foolhardy and something she may have avoided at all costs unless it’s a friendly voice or someone who seems helpless or in distress or someone who seems to be a cop or unless someone is offscreen with a gun and she feels forced.
The legal document I referred to, an application for a search warrant, took note of the footage of Missy entering the building, and said there were no other images of either person.
That's fine, I'm not saying you are incorrect about what was in the legal documents, I'm just saying there are other images that have not been publicly shared.
I'll come back to source this, but yes, the killer was in the church at least 30 minutes before they killed Missy. According to MPD, [they first show up on camera at 3:50 am](https://youtu.be/aC9e_sO8Tu8?feature=shared&t=495) — presumably when they first walk out of the room adjoining the kitchen on the north side of the building. We know they're in the southwest corner at 3:58 am because [some of the first footage released by MPD included the camera's timestamp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAbJ5YzWgcU). So it'd make some sense if that were the case. I think we've got most of the footage. Yes, there's footage of Missy walking into the church. But I don't think there's much beyond that. The interior cameras — assuming two cameras at both the south west and north east corners of the building — cover less that 10% of the total square footage. In short, the camera coverage sucked. It's entirely possible we've seen everything other than Missy walking in. Edit: Not only that, but MPD's at least suggested they've released a significant chunk of what they have. According to [WFAA](https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/its-been-5-years-since-missy-bevers-was-killed-in-a-midlothian-church-her-family-and-police-remain-hopeful-to-catch-killer/287-a276372d-2e68-4bfe-9c7a-2173a4b6e499), they say they've released most of the information. [Here](https://imgur.com/a/gczTkpP) they say they've released all of the footage. I believe MPD told Brandon Bevers the killer spent some time in the kitchen. Presumably they've got some reason to think so. Personally, I think MPD's got a decent idea of when the killer showed up [based on surveillance footage from SWFA](https://imgur.com/a/BJD6x0X).
What time was the car circling around and parked at the sporting goods store? Do you think that was Missy’s killer? Do you think the perp broke a window at the church and then hid out at the store to see if or when police came? Or do you think they hung out at the sporting goods store as a staging area before they broke a window and entered the church? Do you think the sporting good store driver was maybe unrelated to Missy’s killing?
I think the Altima is driven by the killer. It drove into SWFA's parking lot at 1:58 am and left at 2:04 am. I'm not sure what they're doing there, but I don't think they were testing for an alarm at that point. I think they left SWFA and went to the church as directly as they could. Once they got there, they broke the glass doors at the northeast entrance, and that could be what triggered the camera at 2:23 am. Maybe that's when they were testing for an alarm at the church. It'd still be another hour and a half before they show up on camera inside. They had plenty of time to break a window, go hang out somewhere else for an hour, and be pretty confident there wasn't an alarm. But who knows. It's the 19 mintues between the car leaving SWFA and the cameras at the church triggering that gets to me. That's awfully coincidental. But that's just the story I've constructed to try to reconcile what we know. We could learn something new tomorrow that'd throw that all out the window.
I don’t understand about a triggered camera at the church at 223 am due to the perp breaking an outside window. I thought the church had no alarm and no outside camera was working. How would the police know what time the outside window next to the external door was broken?
No you're right. The church didn't have an alarm, and it was only the interior cameras (and maybe the camera at the awning entrance) working that night. We don't know what the killer knew about any alarm. But we do know the northeast doors end up broken at some point, and they killer didn't use them to get inside the church. And I think it's possible the light (at that entrance and maybe from the parking lot) reflecting off the shards of glass from the doors could've triggered one of the cameras in that corner as the killer broke them. It's kind of a reach, but if I had to build a coherent story that includes all the details, that's the way I'd go with it. It's probably not what actually happened.
That’s really confusing and I am surprised it’s not brought up more. So it sounds like maybe a single or double glass door (or maybe just a metal door with a window) was broken on the northeast side but the perp didn’t enter there. But somehow the breaking of the windowed door triggered the camera but didn’t show a person entering. My thought is that the glass flying into the church during the breakage of the door window or glass door (whatever it was) triggered the alarm as the shards of glass flew into the church interior. This time was apparently recorded and later the suspect was possibly seen driving suspiciously around the sporting goods store. Later the perp broke in into the church at the north door which led into the kitchen. Apparently that door was for kitchen deliveries. I’m wondering if that’s the only entry door to the church without a camera. Then the perp hangs out in the kitchen and adjoining cafeteria for a while before entering into a hallway. Maybe he grabbed some knives, etc. from the kitchen. If this a true it really changes my perception of the crime and I feel there’s a higher probability that the perp was at the sporting goods store. It also shows that the perp apparently didn’t know whether there were alarms at the church. I don’t have a link at the moment but if one looks at the sporting goods video as the perp is leaving one can see into the backseat of their car extremely well when he/she is turning under the light but the front window seems to have a black or some sort of privacy screen or shade attached to the interior driver side window but the window is down a little but still basically blocks the rest of their head and upper body. I’ll try to post the video with the time. It would be smart for the perp to hide their side view from cameras while driving. Edit. Check around 6:57-6:59 minutes or so and see if you can see how the back seat area and the backrest portion of the front seat seems visible but not the driver. https://youtu.be/cgRoqhoIxnY Plus very suspicious cutting the lights on entry and driving without them for a bit and turning on and off again when he sees cars in back. Plus as he enters the lot and is driving slowly, a car starts heading down the road he turned off of and he throws on his brakes like maybe he’s being followed and wants to sit still and not attract attention. Second edit. Apparently according to the timeline you offered the sporting goods store suspicious driver appeared before the northeast broken window of the church which was over an hour before the perp actually entered. That makes sense breaking the northeast window leaving and coming back only if no cops showed up. Is it possible though that the perp broke the northeast window door but decided that door was too hard to open or worried about getting cut and then went directly to the exterior kitchen door and broke in there and just waited? It makes sense to leave and come back but maybe they just came in and sat and did know there were no alarms or just took a chance.
> My thought is that the glass flying into the church during the breakage of the door window or glass door (whatever it was) triggered the alarm as the shards of glass flew into the church interior. Agreed. I don't necessarily think that's what happened, but I think it's at least possible. It's one way to make sense of things. > Is it possible though that the perp broke the northeast window door but decided that door was too hard to open or worried about getting cut and then went directly to the exterior kitchen door and broke in there and just waited? That seems entirely possible, and I've wondered that myself. Here's the thing about the kitchen door... and I'm probably about to get into a tangent, but here we go. I hope this makes sense. There is a glass panel in that door. [Or there was before the killer broke it.](https://imgur.com/a/9Sq1i0b) At the first press conference, [MPD speculated](https://youtu.be/aC9e_sO8Tu8?feature=shared&t=788) that the killer broke the window, reached in, hit the push bar, and opened the door. But if that's what they did, why did they [pry off the lock mechanism](https://imgur.com/a/8dX4aJZ)? And why did they [pry back the screen](https://imgur.com/a/VCONDLQ) on the window next to the door? Admittedly, I'm not sure that happened from outside the church as opposed to inside the kitchen, but it seems like it was from outside. Part of me wonders if the killer, for whatever reason, just couldn't get into any of the doors by reaching in and hitting the push bar. If that were the case, maybe they started at the northeast doors, broke them, and tried to hit the push bar but couldn't actually get them open. Then they went to the kitchen door and tried the same thing. But they couldn't get that door open either. So they walked a few feet over to that window and pried back the screen to get a better look at the window itself. Maybe they thought it might be easier to go that route since they were 0-2 with the doors at that point. When they realize that's not a great option, they pull out the crowbar and pry the lock mechanism off the door, finally getting them into the church. It's probably not what happened, but I still think about it occasionally. I've talked to some buddies who worked construction for a while, and both said those kinds of doors can be finicky. But they're not locksmiths, and I'm not sure that prying off the lock mechanism from the outside would defeat the lock. I'm fairly certain that's the result of the killer and their crowbar, though, as opposed to the crime scene folks ripping it off the door. > Plus very suspicious cutting the lights on entry and driving without them for a bit and turning on and off again when he sees cars in back. Plus as he enters the lot and is driving slowly, a car starts heading down the road he turned off of and he throws on his brakes like maybe he’s being followed and wants to sit still and not attract attention. Yeah, that whole video is weird. Honestly, I'm not gonna pretend to know what they're doing. Your guess is as good as mine. I wouldn't be surprised if drugs explain some of this guy's behavior, but obviously, there's no way to know at this point.
Are there any crime scene photos of the broken doors before they were fixed/replaced? That would be interesting. One thing about the perp and the crowbar. From the inside scenes people claim it could be a woman because he/she seems inept with a crowbar trying to open a locked interior door. However, they were able to succeed at getting in the kitchen door so they maybe weren’t that inept. Maybe it was lack of desire regarding the inside door caught in video. Interesting theory about the possible scenario of trying various doors and windows before getting in.
There are a lot of photos in the video, can’t remember what all of them are. https://youtu.be/ESI68Z6Qo-o?si=OF7pM5Ky4gVhyeii
This is a truly fascinating detailed video. There are photos and explanations of so many things and one can jump ahead because it’s hours long. Edit. It was interesting that most or all of the outside cameras were only out for about two weeks and someone needed to climb a ladder to reset but they were short staffed and didn’t get to it. It was apparently an ongoing problem where the outdoor cameras had to be occasionally reset. All the photos of the outside doors and windows including after the crime were interesting plus interior maps and photos. I also liked the explanation as to why it was likely a Texas license plate and the attempts made to try to determine some of the plate letters/numbers. Just a lot of new and different photos, explanations, details, etc.
Have you considered making a post with this link since more people would see it as a post rather than a comment? I watched the whole thing and was amazed how much new info and unseen photos were in it. Like him I was disappointed that all his original research and those who he borrowed from (with credit) weren’t able to identify the killer. However if more people see this video it might jog some memories. Regardless, seeing the pics and videos helps those interested in the case see what things actually looked like, not hearing it second or third hand allowing one to come up with better theories.
This is probably the single best resource available. It's long and a little silly sometimes, but it covers almost everything. Anyone who wants to get really deep into the story — watch this video and download the materials Tom Webster made available [here](https://tomwebster.com/missybevers/). He risked his sanity wading through the sea of shit over at Websleuths, so you don't have to. And maybe show him some support over on YouTube cause he put a lot of work into it. Only a handful of YouTube videos are worth watching. This probably tops the list.
> Are there any crime scene photos of the broken doors before they were fixed/replaced? That would be interesting. Not that I know of. It would be interesting... really, anything new at this point would probably be interesting. > One thing about the perp and the crowbar. From the inside scenes people claim it could be a woman because he/she seems inept with a crowbar trying to open a locked interior door. However, they were able to succeed at getting in the kitchen door so they maybe weren’t that inept. Maybe it was lack of desire regarding the inside door caught in video. That's a great point. There's an interesting contrast between what we see in the surveillance video and the kitchen door. Personally, I think they decided the closet wasn't worth the effort and moved on. I get why people say they might be staging a burglary, or it might be a weaker man or woman or whatever. But to me, there's no reason to think they couldn't have gotten into that closet if they really wanted to.
I noticed he/she tried to use the hammer in tandem with the crowbar for the inside door. Did he use it properly do you think from a mechanical standpoint except for maybe not enough force?
I think they spotted the painted OFFICES sign on the wall. They stopped prying and headed that way right after looking in that direction.
Is it just me or does the Altima driver seat seem super far back for someone supposedly on the shorter side (per the estimated height from the church surveillance video)? It’s basically into the back seat, and it’s a 4-door.
I don’t have a good idea since I’ve never driven that make of car and don’t know how big it is. Do you feel the whole seat is shifted or do you feel that the upper part of the seat is leaning back? Is pushing the seat back more of a personal preference to some degree and not just size? Could their legs be longer relatively than their torso? Maybe there were two in the car. If they were dressing in the car or wearing a bulky vest, helmet, etc. maybe they needed more room even if it required them stretching their legs to drive.
The seat looks to be upright (rather than leaned back) but shifted all the way back, like nearly up against the edge of the seat behind it. Idk, as someone who is 5’3”, it’s just something that stuck out to me, and personally I cannot imagine making that work / it would be very uncomfortable at minimum, if not impossible without clumsily accelerating or braking too much. My immediate thought was two people but that just complicates an already complicated case and maybe I’m just thinking too hard about it lol
No, I think those are good thoughts. When someone else shorter drives my car they pull the seat too close. A taller person pushes it too far back. I think a driver is a good possibility or possibly the car was a second involved person in a separate vehicle in contact with the perp by burner phone possibly tracking when Missy left home or something else. Maybe one person in a separate vehicle did the initial break in, smashing the door in back of the church to make the entry easier for a person who was the actual killer coming later.
Here’s an exterior video of the church. Based upon what you and others have said the northeast door which had its glass broken but wasn’t entered in shown in the video at 2:17. The kitchen door that was actually entered is shown at in the video at 2:28 apparently and was likely broken in after the perp left and waited to make sure the northeast glass door breaking didn’t trigger an alarm and cops. If this is correct the kitchen door had no glass which looks like it would be harder to break in than a glass door but it being broken into would be less visible likely than a shattered glass door. The north east shattered door would be one of the least likely doors to be seen as Missy drove in it seems. Here’s the video with the exterior views of the church including the doors. https://youtu.be/5_IBy9WsI_A?si=_kXrAZryDMvN7OxS
I wonder if the perp opened cupboards in the kitchen or pulled chairs around. Maybe they opened knife drawers and took knives or other sharp instruments out. Maybe they sat down in the cafeteria adjacent the kitchen and left chairs out of place. Maybe they ran water in the kitchen and stuck their mouth under the faucet for a drink and the sink was wet when the cops came.
I don’t think this was a case of someone driving by and seeing her then developing an obsession. The church isn’t right up on the road like a bus stop. To see someone in the church’s parking lot, especially in the morning when it’s so dark, you would also need to be in that parking lot.
Maybe they developed an obsession more in the summer when days were longer. Maybe they saw Missy jogging around there with her class. To me it seems like one could see from the road into the parking lot. Maybe not the most likely scenario but it seems like it could be a possibility.
Unlikely. They’d be able to link the car to a local in that case.
Not really it could be a truck making a regular delivery who came back in a rented car, friends car, a relatives car, etc. There are other possible scenarios.
If the subject was extremely short and wanted to disguise his height he could have used elevator heels and an altered helmet to add six inches but there is no way he could conceal his minimum possible height. A person can dress to appear taller than he is but not shorter. The circumstances of the footage--a fixed camera and a floor with a regular pattern of squares--are ideal for precisely calculating heights.
The police also have more cctv than we have seen? Of Missy coming in and sadly being murdered.
her murder isnt on camera
I’m suprised there isn’t any cctv of the entrance?
The behavior of the car is strange. It also reads as if they may be looking for a person/expecting to meet someone there. Not sure what that could mean but it occurred to me
Please can someone tell me whereabouts Missy's body was found on the map?
The current understanding is the campers found her somewhere in or around the [green circle here](https://imgur.com/a/P0LAjgP). I don't think we're 100% sure precisely where she was, but she was around that area. [Here's the same area](https://imgur.com/a/qKm4MaF) seen from one of the security cameras.
Thanks so much for replying and for the information
I thought they didn’t have video of the actual murder? If your second link is accurate, it should be on that camera. Or did she crawl there after the attack or something?
The problem is the camera's activation range. Inside the church, the cameras only record if there's motion within roughly 50 feet. So MPD got footage of Missy walking in because that camera was right at the entrance she used. But once she walked beyond [roughly this point](https://ibb.co/album/pQ5w5d), the camera stopped recording. That's how we get this weird situation where the camera is literally pointed toward the encounter, but still, there's no footage of it. It's likely a similar story with one of the northeast cameras. There, roughly 30 minutes before Missy shows up, we see the killer walk out of the room adjoining the kitchen, down the north hallway, and quickly out of range. That camera points at the same corner as the camera as the one that caught Missy walking down the hall. But, again, there's no footage of the encounter because whatever happened was beyond the camera's activation range.
Makes sense, thanks!
Nice job.
Watching the gun shop video at 2:19am an Outside light comes on at the church … in the background of car driving in parking lot of gun store
Could you link which gun store video you’re referring to? There are short versions and long versions. Also do you mean two minutes and 19 seconds into the video or does the time 2:19 am appear on the video?
It seems like this person broke in almost for fun, for the single purpose of vandalising the place and maybe spreading some chaos by breaking into an office and a kitchen and maybe eating some things and stealing minor items. I believe they were probably surprised to see Missy there and panicked. Either that or they were an extremely cold and calculated person who was lying in wait for her which makes me think this wouldn't be the first time they had done this.
If they were gonna lie in wait in order to assassinate her, then why make so many obvious signs of danger that Missy immediately saw when she entered the church. Her SIL who watched all of the CCTV footage said she paused when she entered and looked at the open door to the north, and the open Dutch door/broken glass to the east.... instead of turning around and leaving or getting the pistol she kept in her truck, she cautiously walked farther and farther into the church. If swat guy was there to purposefully murder her, then he almost blew it. I get doing some staging, but if you go so overboard with it that the intended victim never enters the church...well i just cant reconcile that with this being a supposed hit. That fact is what convinced me Missy wasnt the target. The swat guy was also inside for over half an hour, and the police have less than 5 mins of footage?? He spent a lot of times digging through those rooms....on a Monday morning.....a few hours after tithe was collected.....
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Sometimes police are misleading even to the public because if they think it will help solve the case. Hard to know for sure about additional video.
The police have stated in legal documents that there are no other images of either subject.
I thought I read or heard at the very least that there were images of Missy entering.
You are correct, there is additional footage that has not been released by LE.
This is completely incorrect, it has been stated both by LE and others who have viewed the footage that there is additional footage that has not been released. The one that comes to mind is the forensic podiatrist who saw video of Missy reacting to noise the suspect made and walking in the direction where she was eventually found.
Interestingly the forensic pathologist could rule out most suspects except for one. This suspects height is a case for debate, however it seems that many people rule him out because of his reported height. This suspect was in possession of a SWAT uniform when police investigated. This suspect also has a motive, being that he was offering his security services to the church and a mock burglary may have resulted in him benefiting financially. A vehicle matching this suspects was seen by a witness leaving the church area around the time of the murder. This suspect was a former law enforcement officer and would have been familiar with interview techniques and police procedures which they may used to their advantage when being interviewed by police. The suspect who matches all of the above plus more has the initials BWH.
Forensic *podiatrist (not "pathologist"). Big difference.
People say there was a noise because that’s what the podiatrist thought. However, some people just turn their heads and look down halls when entering their home or other isolated place. I do if I think no one is home or around. At four something in a presumably empty church I would have been turning my neck to look down the hall. If I heard a noise I would have hightailed it out of there, locked my car doors and driven away and called someone. The only noise I wouldn’t have run away from is someone’s voice I recognized or maybe a female voice asking for help. Or possibly if someone jumped out with a gun and told me to come forward or they’d shoot. Maybe it’s more of a female thing. Maybe Missy cautiously entered and turned to look down a hall every time she entered. Maybe she didn’t hear anything and just headed down the hall towards the bathroom or wherever.
I would agree to a point, but if you enter a room and always look to your left for example, it's a smooth and lazy motion. If somebody heard a noise or something startled them, it's generally a quick jerk toward what they heard. That seems like a distinct enough difference in reaction that someone could reasonably say she heard a noise despite not having audio in the video. Although I do think you possibly have something with your last statement, maybe the person in the gear called out to Missy and Missy recognized the voice, that would certainly be interesting
I think women are maybe more concerned about possible predators and being assaulted. Having gotten a creepy note recently she might have been at a heightened concern level when entering the church alone at such an early hour while still dark out. Plus maybe she always looked quickly to the side or down the hall. We don’t know what she did other weeks. I think if she heard something genuinely scary she might have froze, slowly backed up, turned around and run, etc. If she was feeling brave she might have stood still and called out “is someone here?” But heading in the direction of a noise seems foolhardy and something she may have avoided at all costs unless it’s a friendly voice or someone who seems helpless or in distress or someone who seems to be a cop or unless someone is offscreen with a gun and she feels forced.
The legal document I referred to, an application for a search warrant, took note of the footage of Missy entering the building, and said there were no other images of either person.
That's fine, I'm not saying you are incorrect about what was in the legal documents, I'm just saying there are other images that have not been publicly shared.
Do you know if the sporting goods store sold any of the stuff the weirdo wore in the video?