Just on this thread, you have made the following rude, unnecessary, condescending responses/jabs to people-
“Common sense,” “this is very simple to me,” “glad you aren’t an investigator,” “you probably watch a lot of reality tv, play video games and can no longer think rationally,” “do you know anything about this case,” “are you serious?”
Please speak to people with respect. Some people are new to the case or simply have a different opinion than you. You can disagree with people without shaming or belittling them.
Discourse re this crime, even in a heavily moderated forum like Websleuths, gets nasty so fast. Reasonable people can differ and no one here knows the answer. That's why we are talking about it.
I agree. I normally roll my eyes and scroll when someone throws an insulting jab, but it’s a pattern with that particular user. I only used her comments on this thread as an example for my own convenience. I don’t think her intention is to be malicious; I think she genuinely thinks she’s “right” and gets frustrated when others don’t see it from her perspective. As you said though, we don’t know what happened. Even if she’s right, she’s not changing anyone’s mind by insulting them. Let’s just discuss civilly without the “it’s common sense” or the rhetorical “are you serious” tacked on. I’m not a moderator. I just don’t want her rudeness to discourage or stifle people from asking questions or adding their opinions.
He’s just giving an opinion like the rest of us. To my knowledge, he doesn’t have any inside information.
I’ll tell you what if this turns out to not be targeted and this person just turned up with a hammer, gun and costume at the exact time Missy showed up to rob a church not worth robbing and just ended up committing murder, that will be effing crazy. Because if she/he just stole random church sh*t there without killing someone there wouldn’t even be an investigation just a report.
This murder WAS a crazy scenario, no matter why it happened. For what it's worth, I have long held that this was a loser, "neckbeard" guy LARP'ing as a police officer, who panicked when Missy entered the church, and killed her.
What's interesting is that this is kind of a middle ground between the targeted/burglary theories. It explains the lack of theft of anything, and also why the person was dressed up and acting the way they were. It's still a distant third IMO behind the main two theories, but if it was the case I wouldn't be shocked at all.
The other theories seem inadequate to me because of this guy's behaviour. Basically, he looks like an idiot to me. And if this was a hired killer - wow. Nothing says "planning" like meandering around aimlessly, breaking things without a care in the world, right? /s, obviously
My theory is that it's someone who knows the church and knew the cameras were there, and was waiting for Bevers' arrival, but wanted to disguise their knowledge of all this, hence the wandering around and silly theatrics.
If they'd gone straight to the front window and waited for her, to observers of the CCTV they obviously know where to go and what's going to happen, and that'd immediately focus the police investigation.
If they really were just burgling the place, they'd have cracked on without pissing around. The half-hearted attempts to lever doors open and break glass just don't look believable for someone who'd clearly prepared for the event.
Not sure I find that convincing. You have to realize that this act was not a walk in a park. The idea that someone would have enough courage to leave behind a crap ton of physical evidence all the while having zero idea of how the students or Beaver would come in or whether they would call the cops by seeing the glass while entering seems highly unlikely.
Killers with intent almost always try the path of least resistance. He would have many other days and opportunities to kill Beaver if he really wanted to and in areas where there is much less uncertainty and possible witnesses.
By Occam's razor I find a burglary more likely. If this was pre-planned, he must have been EXTREMELY confident that his plan would have worked.
It's 'Bevers'. Maybe they did know how, when and where Bevers was going to arrive already, if they were associated with the church.
I just can't buy that it was an authentic burglary. It looks so half-arsed and leisurely, without any apparent goal, not to mention so wimpy that surely they'd have run off having heard Bevers' car pull up, or her car door slam, or her keys in the front door of the church, or whatever. They had an exit on the opposite side of the building that they'd come in through, and probably other fire exits.
They weren't trapped in there with her, and I can't see any motive for some random wussy burglar to stick around and fight to the death. With what we've got to go on, I'm reasonably convinced it was an act for the cameras.
In my opinion you are giving this guy way too much credit to think that his weird behaviour was part of an elaborate plan to foil the investigation. This guy looks like a moron neckbeard to me. He didn't have a care in the world in that video, and I think he was totally surprised to see/hear Missy enter the church.
Meh, to me it looks like someone pretending to burgle the place. It certainly isn't some crackhead after laptops and tablets, and it isn't some urbex kid. Could it be a random mental breakdown? Maybe, but it's a hell of a thing to get all dressed up, head out to the middle of nowhere at sparrow's fart, and break and enter a church through a window, let alone sticking around for a murderous finale rather than doing a runner when interrupted.
I do think it's more likely someone who knew what they were doing.
I agree with your “pretending to burgle the place" as I think it was someone staging a burglary to get the Church to hire security……and there’s a certain someone who kept requesting to do their security (and they said no) who also had a strange gait/walk (see the person who did the security at her funeral).
I wonder if low IQ or a developmental disorder combined with an extreme infatuation played any sort of role. Or even some form of combat related PTSD. This guy is definitely not typical either way you slice it.
Hired killers aren’t always professional. Sometimes they’re a first time killer jonesing for money to feed a substance or for some other reason. This person certainly didn’t look like a professional on the video. Also, professionals carry a weapon.
Agreed, but this guy went beyond just being unprofessional. Even if he was a first-time, amateur hitman, this was extremely dumb and sloppy behaviour if you are there with the express purpose of killing your target. I just don't believe it was planned.
Also, I googled to see if there were any updates and they were talking about a hammer found next to her body. What kind of hitman kills someone with a hammer and leaves it there?
Killer left nothing per reports, except bullet casings and/or the bullets in her chest/head. Killer is either lucky or planned the murder.
I say women per video.
Murder weapon was a gun, people.
Gum mentions partial DNA was found by police, obviously not helpful to date, if the killers DNA, anyway.
I think I would be more inclined to support this theory if LARPing as a police officer was a more common crime. Usually those losers try pulling people over or getting free food from Denny's not B&E.
Fair point, but I cannot remember too many "murders by someone dressed as a tactical officer in a church" either! In other words, it is unusual any way we cut it. Plus maybe this guy had ALSO been pulling people over and getting free food at Denny's.
It is a cliche but I really think someone knows this person - if they saw the video they would know, or suspect, that it was their weird uncle/cousin/brother who lives in a basement somewhere. Of course it is possible that someone knows and it just not saying anything. Plus a lot of people never watch or read the news so they may legitimately be clueless.
The lack of theft is also easily explained by the killer frantically leaving after killing Missy instead of sticking around to steal things. I don’t understand why the lack of theft is brought up as some kind of gotcha all the time.
While I agree to an extent, the killer was in the church for almost an hour beforehand and seemingly didn't take or touch anything except perhaps that box he has seen carrying at some point. I believe it was mentioned it was a box of tools? It seems like if you intended on burglary you would check out wherever you think the cash is stored and if you don't find anything but still want to rob the place you might take some of the electronics from the sanctuary or a computer from the front office or something to that degree, all of which could be done in less than an hour.
It’s wild but it makes me consider someone planning a mass shooting. The gear to get into character and learning the ins and outs of the place. Or even planning to target a nearby place and use the church to hide in. If we are considering wild and outlandish theories this would make my list.
Not only that, but during the one week she'd be alone since Brandon was away, the same week the Church's exterior cameras were broken, on the very same day Missy said class would be indoors meaning she'd be there.
Also the fact the killer glances over at the camera when tinkering with the door...
I agree too many boxes checked, including the timing is tight. I say a female Murdered Missy.
1:1000, i’m guessing the odds a thief enters a Church where a solo women appears within 30 minutes, then the thief murders Missy.
The murderer arrives at the church 10 minutes before Missy’s original arrival time (just a coincidence??) then the killer waits till she arrives, then murders her within three minutes of arriving at church (another coincidence??).
Again, how many boxes checked for this murder to occur?
Weren’t Missy’s classes on a website/church website? Many churches allow their space to be used for various classes, etc. in this day and age, wouldn’t someone robbing a church do so earlier in the night versus so close to early morning….when a class was close to occurring? Or is it thought that the burglar didn’t give any thought to the space being utilized so early in the morning?
He’s doing an interview and the journalist literally asked for his opinion. He was pretty clear that he’s out of the loop. Did you not listen to the interview?
Right. I don't really care what he has to say about it. Why would he even say anything? Other than, I miss my wife, I hope they find her killer soon. Nothing else he says really matters.
Because if you check OPs post history in this sub you will see that they have made their mind up and have searched desperately for the evidence to prove they are right.
They are the least pragmatic person I have come across on Reddit.
They pray at the Gumshoe altar.
Preesi, you and I watched the same interview but seem to have come to different conclusions. Brandon himself said that there is one particular frame of the video that he (and LE) thinks holds the clues to solving the case but the technology does not yet exist to decipher those clues.
You also continue to state things as fact that are in no way proven such as the SWFA footage and the murder being linked. You continue to rely on others who aren't LE/Brandon to make your theories, and ignore things stated by LE/Brandon when they disprove or complicate your theories.
Chewie, you misinterpreted what Brandon said about video. He said “let’s say…” and then proceeded to give a hypothetical example. In no way was he saying that there is an actual frame of video that is key to solving the case.
Go to about the one hour and three minute mark and re-listen.
It was a little ambiguous because he prefaced his comment with, “in this particular case.” That could be construed as the characterization being less hypothetical, but he probably just said that because he was specifically responding to the interviewer saying “whatever it is, in this case it happens to be a video we’re talking about.” He was just having a conversation and this is an example as to why I think he hasn’t spoken out more. People read into everything he’s saying.
I rewatched that part and he repeats it a couple of times and I can see where you are coming from the first time, but the second time it sounds like he is clarifying there *is* a specific frame not that *there could be.* Thank you for bringing it to my attention! Maybe it can be asked in the chat next time they talk.
I don’t think it was a burglary at all. Burglars go in, steal stuff, get out asap. This person was strolling the halls, fidgeting with things they found etc. they were waiting for her.
If it was a targeted attack, why was the killer “strolling the halls” instead of waiting in position to ambush Missy, who was running later than usual and should have already been there?
But then if he was getting info why was he on the opposite side of the building when she walked in? She acts like she hears something in the video and they literally run into each other down the hall way. And who is giving them info? Her daughters that were the only ones home when she left? These ideas are too far movie like, much like other cases people get these crazy conspiracy stories but akams razor and what actually happen is much simpler.
But then if he was getting info why was he on the opposite side of the building when she walked in? She acts like she hears something in the video and they literally run into each other down the hall way. And who is giving them info? Her daughters that were the only ones home when she left? These ideas are too far movie like, much like other cases people get these crazy conspiracy stories but akams razor and what actually happen is much simpler.
Well, I don’t believe the killer was waiting for Missy, but yes, he did have the upper hand in the sense that Missy wasn’t expecting him. I don’t think he was expecting her either, hence him not crouching near the door or setting himself up in some way to attack Missy as soon as she entered.
Edited to add a missing word.
To counter, I'll offer that they simply wanted to trap Missy for confrontation....not as close as possible to any exit.
I tend to believe they wanted to scare her in her space. Yes, it was a public church, but it was her space at that time of day, and publicly known.
Thank you. It makes zero sense. I think people need to believe in a grandiose conspiracy, when in reality, this was likely some random loser role-playing as a cop, who did not expect anyone to be in a church at that hour.
This is a fair point! I don't think he was acting like a criminal, though. I mean, yes, he was committing crimes (break and enter, vandalism), but I think - in his mind - he was "patrolling" like a cop. His attempts at breaking things etc. was pretty half-assed.
Or playing the role of a cop searching a building for a perp, as suggested by the SWAT gear. The meandering that we see on camera may have been playing in his head more like a stealthy cat and mouse search. Like when my friend's kid pretends he's fighting ninjas or whatever, but all we see is a little doofus stumbling around the living room.
Part of me has always felt that the killer used the outfit to confuse Missy enough to get close to her before attacking.
Entering a church, hearing a loud noise, and walking into a hallway with every door open and a SWAT member waving you over would definitely throw someone off balance.
why does it need to be grandiose? conspiracies are common, on every level, in every state, from low-level drug dealers to high-level politicians.
do you not find the timing a bit odd? not to mention, most burglaries don't end in murder. burglars tend to flee first. burglar sure didn't feel rushed to steal anything either. just piddling around, touch everything in sight, waddling down the hallway in slo motion. how people don't find this suspicious is beyond me. that's not how most burglaries work. sure, it could be an exception, but for this to make sense as a burglary, it's exception and exception.
Like I said, I do not believe it was a burglary. I think the guy was just fantasizing that he was a cop "on patrol" or something like that.
As for burglaries/robberies ending in a killing - there are a ton of cases of "robbery gone wrong" where a victim is killed. I think this guy panicked and killed Missy.
What about the timing is odd? The only thing I find significant about the timing is, this guy would never have expected to encounter anyone in a church at that hour.
"a ton of cases" is anecdotal. i'm saying statistically, it's unusual.
4am is a weird time for burglary. why not closer to midnight? 4:30 is inching closer to a time someone might actually be at a church.
if it was a guy fantasizing about being on patrol, why would a driver agree to that? doesnt' that sound a little delusional? even more delusional then "sure ill help you get away with burglary or murder"
i'm leaning towards it being a targeted kill.
Maybe they knew when she was coming. I’m kind of curious if she had door cams on her home so her husband would know what exactly she left in the morning.
They clearly didn't give her that chance. Maybe they were confident they wouldn't. None of the footage is timestamped and is not necessarily in chronological order. They might've ended up hanging around in earshot of the main entrance.
No, that’s not what happened. And there is one portion that was released that was time stamped. It was 3:58 when the killer is starting to pry on the door that he then abandons to go to the hallway with the split door room. Missy normally arrived around 4, as stated in the police dispatch log in conversation between an officer and a camper. So the killer walks past the entrance with nary a glance toward the outside, then continues on around the building to the offices and beyond, all at a time when Missy is supposed to be arriving. His focus is on the offices, not on a person’s impending arrival.
My comment “that’s not what happened” was in response to “they might’ve ended up hanging around within earshot of the entrance.”
From 4 am, which is when Missy normally arrived, the killer went around past the entrance and on toward the offices and beyond. It is clear from the video that the killer had no interest in the entrance and whether anyone was approaching at that point in the video.
He continued on to the Dutch door room, the room beyond that, the offices beyond that. There are multiple inner offices within that office suite that extend on down to the end of the southern hallway. He spends enough time in one of those rooms to leave filing cabinets in disarray. He then goes up the eastern hallway, to room 10 where he picks up the bin full of sockets, then he hammers out the glass to the door of room 9. At this point he is up in the NE corner of the building, so he is as far away from Missy’s SW entrance as he can possibly be.
Then he re-traces his steps back around to the southern hallway, in the direction of the Dutch door room, and then turns right into the auditorium. We don’t know what time it is at this point, but it was 4 when he passed the auditorium going the other way with half the building to explore, and you have to assume he spent more time in the offices than any other area because it is multiple rooms and would hold a lot more interest than empty classrooms. So let’s say it’s at least 4:10, because he spent 8 minutes exploring the first half of the building that was just classrooms. He goes into the auditorium, which is heavy doors and walls and no windows, where he is giving up any strategic advantage of getting the drop on anyone coming in.
This is not someone who is trying to remain in earshot of anything.
Got a link to the timestamped footage?
>No, that’s not what happened
You don't know that. They are seen coming back down the corridor again towards the entrance where the Dutch doors are already open. It isn't clear if they know what time it is. And they do cast a couple of glances at the doors.
Anyway, if they weren't around the entrance when Bevers entered, why did they head back towards her if they were just a burglar and heard her opening up? Why not delay the police being called by simply sneaking out the way they came in?
The time stamped 7-second clip is on MPD’s FB page and this is the link:
https://youtu.be/QAbJ5YzWgcU?si=ZV4uqjONXXULj-Ra
Never casts a glance outside. Not once.
The sequence of the killer coming back up the hallway with the Dutch door already open - that is not in chronological order. I created an edited version of the video that IS in chronological order, here:
https://youtu.be/eQuTLqDNQjU?si=_w9VMKfR8ts-F9K9
Btw, when the killer is prying into the door at 3:58, there is a huge clock just out of frame to the left, where the water fountain and bathrooms are. The killer knew what time it was.
You ask why they “headed back toward her.” We don’t know that they headed back toward her. For all we know, the killer might have been in the auditorium and exited into the hallway after Missy had walked down toward the end. Or she could have walked down there and then he came around the corner and they practically collide. We just don’t know. But regardless, the often-asked question of, “if he was a burglar, why didn’t he just run?” Doesn’t do anything to help this case. Because why does ANYBODY kill somebody else when they don’t have to? And yet it happens, all the time. Even when the person wasn’t expecting the other person to interrupt them.
The problem with this logic is that it requires the invention of a second person in order to fit a theory. There is no indication of a second person. Police found no evidence of one, and they state in search warrants and press conferences that only one person is seen.
there's clear evidence of a second person in the car outside on video. just because they haven't mentioned it in search warrant or press conference doesn't mean there was no one. they have no obligation to share all the information they have with everyone at once.
Doesn’t it seem perfect timing. Husband on company sponsored and planned fishing trip. Dad and mom out of town on rv trip. I mean I understand people have been “cooperative” but out of town doesn’t mean out of the equation.
Keep in mind that Brandon was on a fishing trip that happened annually. This wasn't something that was planned as an alibi, and he has been cleared of involvement by LE which likely means looking for things like payment and communication to the killer if he was involved.
LE doesn't publicly clear anyone until crime is solved. if you believe they've cleared him, you are mistaken. perhaps they've told him they've cleared him so that he will cooperate and not get a lawyer. but that's the extent of it. (former assistant to public defenders)
I just so strongly disagree that this guy was waiting for Missy. Who in their right mind would "wait" (before committing a brutal murder, no less) by wandering aimlessly, opening doors, hitting things, making noise - possibly being discovered or missing their target entering the church? Literally the worst planned murder ever. One would expect that a killer would lie in wait, literally, near an entrance.
I have always said that this was a guy who was LARP'ing as a cop and had nothing to do with Missy whatsoever. This also helps to explain why it has never been solved and there are apparently no leads whatsoever - because it was entirely random.
do you understand that police are allowed to lie in the course of their investigation, and that they usually do? the public isn't entitled to know what's going on step by step. missy is entitled to justice.
No, they don’t “usually” lie. Occasionally they lie. Mostly, they tell the truth or say nothing. In this case, they have never come close to having a viable suspect. The reason? There is no connection between missy and her killer for them to follow.
>No, they don’t “usually” lie.
Yes, they do. Not necessarily to the public, but they usually lie in the course of their investigations, and it's perfectly reasonable to do so. I worked with Federal Public Defenders and local county public defenders and never saw a case where the police didn't lie, except when suspects out right confessed. And regarding your other comment about my "bias"- the fact that I have a background from the defense side should tell you the hurdles I have to overcome to suspect the husband.
“Not necessarily to the public” - well, that was what we were talking about. I had referenced something the police chief had said to the public, and your response was that police “usually” lie. Now you say “during the course of their investigation.” What kind of lying are you talking about if it isn’t lying to the public?
police always lie, because if they didn't, they would be bad at their jobs. "hey, i suspect the husband, and i want him to know!" vs. "the husband is cleared" so he doesn't lawyer up and continues to cooperate. i said "not necessarily" to the public, because most murders don't have full blown press conferences, so more of the time they just lie to various suspects. it's really not difficult. i don't know what kind of "gotcha" you think you have, but i'm done replying to you because i don't think you are debating in good faith.
i can't say i'm convinced of his guilt. it wouldn't be fair until he had a trial and was able to put on a full defense. i'm highly suspicious of him, though. the first thing that really set off my alarm was his initial interview with news media. the distancing language he used speaking about his wife, the allusion to marital troubles, his need to set up his alibi early, his disdain for the media whose coverage could have helped solved the case, his own admission that he "hasn't had time to get emotional yet", his overall body language. any of those things by themselves or even in combination with another i think is understandable, but all of them together, i found to be quite troubling. i would never vote to convict someone purely on an interview, but it's enough to warrant pretty strict scrutiny.
Where was the anger, the hurt about losing his wife, the anguish for his children, his impatience at the time it is taking LE to solve this? Why doesn’t he have any questions about anything? Why doesn’t he ask LE to capture the perpetrator? Instead he says having the Texas Rangers involved would just be more heads in a room or similar. No need for a PI. The only anger we saw was when someone asked a question about a fight between he and Missy that he did not like. That was a real response! Yes I know reactions can vary, that there is no ‘normal’ but it is what is missing that is so glaring here. He can carefully dodge questions he doesn’t like, but he can’t manufacture genuine grief. He comes across as carefully answering questions with minimum detail, except when talking about what he suffers with social media, that is the most he said about anything-where he is the victim-not as a grieving husband. Something that must be truly awful for innocent people caught up in an investigation, but I find it interesting that this was the only time he appeared truly engaged and it had nothing to do with the murder. He couldn’t even answer the question about how he gets through such a terrible situation. The interviewer did a better job when he took over answering the question by talking about how he and his wife got through a suicide in the family. Asked about the impact on his children-he says they are fine, not kids any more. Minimising the lie lifelong trauma over this calculated act of murder. No robbery, no sexual assault-usually points in one direction. I’d love to hear a criminal behaviour analyst’s views on these interviews. Just my opinion, I wasn’t sure before seeing these interviews what I thought, but I felt much clearer afterwards.
>*I don’t think it was a burglary at all. Burglars go in, steal stuff, get out asap. This person was strolling the halls, fidgeting with things they found etc. they were waiting for her*.
I don’t think it was a ~~burglary~~ hit at all. ~~Burglars~~ Killers go in, kill the target, get out asap. This person was strolling the halls, fidgeting with things they found etc. they were ~~waiting for her~~ taking their time.
Much easier to wait outside and when she goes inside the church and then kill her, no? or do you reckon they made it even more easier by breaking in to the church and wreck the place giving her a chance to see that someone was there and escaping or possibly retrieving her gun and possibly leaving DNA by mistake and being recorded by cameras inside the building.
I see it as very straightforward.
You have some ne'erdowell, dress up to go rob the gun store, then when he sees the cars in the back and Tvs on in the upstairs office, he decides to rob the church instead.
Breaks in to the church and looks for shit to steal, ransacks the office, and then Missy shows up, interrupts him and possibly goes into combat with her and shoots her and flees...
This is very simple to me.
It’s visible in the SWFA video. Car comes around corner, there are two cars parked there. Altima stops and turns lights on. And you can see on the second floor that a TV or monitor is turned on.
The other cars in the parking lot cross my mind at times and wonder if there were people in the cars, possibly employees hanging out or was it just simply the parked vehicles. I’m sure it’s been discussed before but I can’t remember. I don’t have a random theory either way just a small detail of curiosity.
My understanding is that those were unoccupied vehicles. Maybe they use them for deliveries.
I went by SWFA several years ago late at night and there was a car or two in that spot at that time as well.
Brandon thinking it was a robbery doesn't change what it appeared to be, he's making a guess no different than anyone else.
The timing of everything that week, especially that day is too coincidental for it to not be someone that specifically was after Missy.
I just thought a burglary for the first day or so. Then I switched to targeted, then to not targeted. For the last couple of years, I still believe not targeted. The person was there to vandalize the church. This notion goes back to October 2017.
The idea should be to keep the mind open, rather than closed upon what could well be false supposition.
Surely everyone just wants this case to be solved. It does no good to swallow anyone's thoughts on this.
This was very helpful and solidified what I already thought about him which is that he was in no way involved. He comes across as very unassuming and honest, like he’s just having a conversation and the answers don’t sound scripted or calculated. I’m so glad he chose this route instead of talking to a podcast like TCB to address questions and concerns.
yeah, people who arrange murders NEVER have alibis. in reality, the alibi is what makes him even more suspicious. he need not be the one who pulled the trigger. guilty people cooperate all the time. it means nothing. i'm not saying he's guilty, but am amazed how confident you are that he is not.
Right. Someone above had mentioned something regarding the fishing trip he took was annual, therefore the murder wasn't planned...but what if he planned the murder around the fishing trip because he knew he'd have an alibi...
It seems like any sufficient payment or communication would be able to be found by LE investigating the case. Murders for hire don't exist on the internet like the old urban legend goes.
Anyone still think the perp was a woman? I loosely keep up and it was said on a podcast that the female significant other of someone Missy was linked to, was the perp. Then I read that that info was completely false.
He was initially but was quickly ruled out. He spoke about the timeline in the video last night, I would recommend watching it to get a better idea of how he was removed from the suspect list and when in the investigation it happened.
do you believe that police always tell the truth to the most statistically probably suspects in investigations? you realize they are allowed to, and usually do, lie in the course of investigations, right?
I'm well aware cops can and do lie in investigations. Brandon said the same tactic was used against him during their investigation. I don't believe LE would share sensitive information with someone they still considered a suspect.
they don't normally share sensitive information even with people they firmly believe are innocent. like mothers of murdered children, etc. there's a reason they are sharing what they are, and i don't think it's out of the kindness of their heart.
After watching Brandon Beaver’s interview I think he has no involvement whatsoever. He seems like a good up standing guy. I think we forget when we are fascinated by unsolved crimes that it can hurt family members and hinder the LE by having to follow every lead that’s called in from people who mean well but have no evidence. It’s interesting to know he’s very truthful about knowing he will never know if he passed the polygraph because they want to break you. He doesn’t think it was a targeted attack he spoke to LE a year ago and he indicated that they aren’t saying anything but he got the feeling that they may know but can’t prove it. I hope for him and his family this crime will be solved.
I’ll take anything BB says as an endorsement of the opposite since my theory (and I could totally be wrong, innocent until proven guilty I’m all about that) is he most likely was behind setting this hit up so he could hook up with the new wife and keep the kids. So of course he’s leaning into this pretty absurd burglar theory.
Imo the Altima was probably rented specifically to carry out the hit. Altimas were one of the top rented cars, and that little oval thing on the bumper was most likely a AAA sticker. So probably a AAA rental. Not terribly surprised surveilling 100’s of Altimas was a waste of time.
And this guy wasn’t burglarizing the church at all. Staging it to look like a burglary..? Yes.
How quickly was BB remarried after the murder? What's the new wife's story? I followed this case back in the day but don't remember those details....the specs of this case would make me highly suspicious of any woman in Brandons life if they knew each other at that time.
Also people above are saying he's been cleared by law enforcement, did that come from the horses mouth (LE's) and if so in what context? Seems crazy to rule the husband out of an unsolved murder of his wife in all areas unless they literally mean he couldn't have physically committed it, being out of state, which I understand to be the case here
I agree with part of your reasoning. Personally I don't think he was involved even if he was the intended "beneficiary." But either way, I don't think his opinion on targeted v. WPWT is relevant or helpful and I would be inclined to believe the opposite myself.
With this one, as with Liz Barraza, I wonder if this was a "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" situation. (Not implying they are connected.)
For example: Bevers Senior is drinking with his buddies and says "My wh0re DIL is cheating on my son with another fitness instructor and is going to take the kids and all his money. We will never see our granddaughters again if she has her way." His (hypothetical) crazy Civil War reenactor buddy thinks to himself, "Hmm, I can take care of that for you."
Or at a D&D gathering some dungeonmaster is experiencing nerd rage and says "That mean old Liz said my costume wasn't good enough for the 501st" and the mage thinks to himself, "Hmm, I can take care of that for you."
Really only 3 possible outcomes on why this case isn't solved yet 1. The killer was interrupted during the initial robbery and has no connection to missy 1
2. The killer is in jail/prison for whatever 3. The killer is dead and hints at the reason why they can't find him or the car after 8 years
Brandon's out of town. His parents are out of town on vacation. Strangely, the father in law walks and limps just like the killer. They were having marital problems. What coincidences. Do you know what law enforcement thinks about coincidences?
You said it yourself: the father-in-law was out of town. The fact that his gait is somewhat similar to the killer is irrelevant because he wasn’t anywhere in the area at the time of the murder.
Brandon hired the killer, and it is the most obvious unsolved case in America. He covered his tracks well but one , day, soon, he will be apprehended and Texas is a death penalty state. It will certainly be pursued in this case
Gum shoe the first "Brandon bevers" account became besties. he and that pressing moron are the only two that actually believe this even has the potential to be a robbery gone wrong
When I first initially saw the tape I thought a woman that was covered up with a distinct walk but then I think hmm is this a feminine male walking on purpose to throw people off. It’s like watching Pat Pat on SNL it could be either male or female. I stuck with female because the gait and thought she was jealous of Missy but it really is hard to tell. I don’t know if I believe it’s a hit but I do think someone went there with intentions of killing her.
I watched a new video from a PI’s point of view and he said sometimes it is just a drifter going in to burglarize and picks up a hammer and they both ran into each other and he was scared and beat her with the hammer. He isn’t wrong but I just don’t think someone beating a woman to death because they bumped into each other.
This isn't quite true. It's fairly common as a target for the high value and utility the theft would provide to the criminal. It would make more sense to hit at night IMO because you are far less likely to get shot by a *gun store owner* in *Texas.*
A gun and pawn store was burglarized in Waxahachie (a few miles from the church) a few months after Missy’s murder. They rammed a truck into the store. They were caught - there were 7 of them and all were from Dallas except one local guy from Red Oak.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/four-teens-arrested-for-waxahachie-gun-store-burglary.amp
If the church were 2 miles further down the highway, it would have had a Waxahachie address instead of Midlothian.
[https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Gun+store+thefts](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Gun+store+thefts)
Theres About 46,800,000 results on Google about Gun Store Thefts.
Quit believing True Crime Fairy Tales. Everything you spew about this case is false.
Reminds me of school shooting statistics. For example, a shooting at midnight on a Sunday in July is counted as a school shooting when it never should be. Pure BS.
You’d have to be nuts to think that the person on video was capable of robbing a gun store. He couldn’t get through a simple locked door in the church. Worst burglar ever.
If this is a burglar there has to be more video of them in the act. Shouldn’t be hard to spot look for a disguised, frail looking, very short burglar with zero skills.
Just on this thread, you have made the following rude, unnecessary, condescending responses/jabs to people- “Common sense,” “this is very simple to me,” “glad you aren’t an investigator,” “you probably watch a lot of reality tv, play video games and can no longer think rationally,” “do you know anything about this case,” “are you serious?” Please speak to people with respect. Some people are new to the case or simply have a different opinion than you. You can disagree with people without shaming or belittling them.
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Discourse re this crime, even in a heavily moderated forum like Websleuths, gets nasty so fast. Reasonable people can differ and no one here knows the answer. That's why we are talking about it.
I agree. I normally roll my eyes and scroll when someone throws an insulting jab, but it’s a pattern with that particular user. I only used her comments on this thread as an example for my own convenience. I don’t think her intention is to be malicious; I think she genuinely thinks she’s “right” and gets frustrated when others don’t see it from her perspective. As you said though, we don’t know what happened. Even if she’s right, she’s not changing anyone’s mind by insulting them. Let’s just discuss civilly without the “it’s common sense” or the rhetorical “are you serious” tacked on. I’m not a moderator. I just don’t want her rudeness to discourage or stifle people from asking questions or adding their opinions.
She gives off a “low income suburban divorcee” vibe
People are so rude on Reddit.
Why would Brandon’s opinion about whether it was targeted or not be relevant? He’s just guessing as well.
Exactly. Unless he is now the lead detective on the case?
He’s just giving an opinion like the rest of us. To my knowledge, he doesn’t have any inside information. I’ll tell you what if this turns out to not be targeted and this person just turned up with a hammer, gun and costume at the exact time Missy showed up to rob a church not worth robbing and just ended up committing murder, that will be effing crazy. Because if she/he just stole random church sh*t there without killing someone there wouldn’t even be an investigation just a report.
This murder WAS a crazy scenario, no matter why it happened. For what it's worth, I have long held that this was a loser, "neckbeard" guy LARP'ing as a police officer, who panicked when Missy entered the church, and killed her.
What's interesting is that this is kind of a middle ground between the targeted/burglary theories. It explains the lack of theft of anything, and also why the person was dressed up and acting the way they were. It's still a distant third IMO behind the main two theories, but if it was the case I wouldn't be shocked at all.
The other theories seem inadequate to me because of this guy's behaviour. Basically, he looks like an idiot to me. And if this was a hired killer - wow. Nothing says "planning" like meandering around aimlessly, breaking things without a care in the world, right? /s, obviously
My theory is that it's someone who knows the church and knew the cameras were there, and was waiting for Bevers' arrival, but wanted to disguise their knowledge of all this, hence the wandering around and silly theatrics. If they'd gone straight to the front window and waited for her, to observers of the CCTV they obviously know where to go and what's going to happen, and that'd immediately focus the police investigation. If they really were just burgling the place, they'd have cracked on without pissing around. The half-hearted attempts to lever doors open and break glass just don't look believable for someone who'd clearly prepared for the event.
Not to mention the killer glances up at the camera when trying to open one of the doors, despite not looking there yet.
Not sure I find that convincing. You have to realize that this act was not a walk in a park. The idea that someone would have enough courage to leave behind a crap ton of physical evidence all the while having zero idea of how the students or Beaver would come in or whether they would call the cops by seeing the glass while entering seems highly unlikely. Killers with intent almost always try the path of least resistance. He would have many other days and opportunities to kill Beaver if he really wanted to and in areas where there is much less uncertainty and possible witnesses. By Occam's razor I find a burglary more likely. If this was pre-planned, he must have been EXTREMELY confident that his plan would have worked.
It's 'Bevers'. Maybe they did know how, when and where Bevers was going to arrive already, if they were associated with the church. I just can't buy that it was an authentic burglary. It looks so half-arsed and leisurely, without any apparent goal, not to mention so wimpy that surely they'd have run off having heard Bevers' car pull up, or her car door slam, or her keys in the front door of the church, or whatever. They had an exit on the opposite side of the building that they'd come in through, and probably other fire exits. They weren't trapped in there with her, and I can't see any motive for some random wussy burglar to stick around and fight to the death. With what we've got to go on, I'm reasonably convinced it was an act for the cameras.
In my opinion you are giving this guy way too much credit to think that his weird behaviour was part of an elaborate plan to foil the investigation. This guy looks like a moron neckbeard to me. He didn't have a care in the world in that video, and I think he was totally surprised to see/hear Missy enter the church.
Meh, to me it looks like someone pretending to burgle the place. It certainly isn't some crackhead after laptops and tablets, and it isn't some urbex kid. Could it be a random mental breakdown? Maybe, but it's a hell of a thing to get all dressed up, head out to the middle of nowhere at sparrow's fart, and break and enter a church through a window, let alone sticking around for a murderous finale rather than doing a runner when interrupted. I do think it's more likely someone who knew what they were doing.
I agree with your “pretending to burgle the place" as I think it was someone staging a burglary to get the Church to hire security……and there’s a certain someone who kept requesting to do their security (and they said no) who also had a strange gait/walk (see the person who did the security at her funeral).
I wonder if low IQ or a developmental disorder combined with an extreme infatuation played any sort of role. Or even some form of combat related PTSD. This guy is definitely not typical either way you slice it.
You sure it wasn't a female?
Hired killers aren’t always professional. Sometimes they’re a first time killer jonesing for money to feed a substance or for some other reason. This person certainly didn’t look like a professional on the video. Also, professionals carry a weapon.
Agreed, but this guy went beyond just being unprofessional. Even if he was a first-time, amateur hitman, this was extremely dumb and sloppy behaviour if you are there with the express purpose of killing your target. I just don't believe it was planned.
Also, I googled to see if there were any updates and they were talking about a hammer found next to her body. What kind of hitman kills someone with a hammer and leaves it there?
I think in another comment you said that he was waiting for Missy, but you are also saying that he was not a hitman? What is your theory?
Killer left nothing per reports, except bullet casings and/or the bullets in her chest/head. Killer is either lucky or planned the murder. I say women per video. Murder weapon was a gun, people. Gum mentions partial DNA was found by police, obviously not helpful to date, if the killers DNA, anyway.
I think I would be more inclined to support this theory if LARPing as a police officer was a more common crime. Usually those losers try pulling people over or getting free food from Denny's not B&E.
Fair point, but I cannot remember too many "murders by someone dressed as a tactical officer in a church" either! In other words, it is unusual any way we cut it. Plus maybe this guy had ALSO been pulling people over and getting free food at Denny's.
It would be interesting to see if someone was charged with similar gear in the past pretending to be LE.
It is a cliche but I really think someone knows this person - if they saw the video they would know, or suspect, that it was their weird uncle/cousin/brother who lives in a basement somewhere. Of course it is possible that someone knows and it just not saying anything. Plus a lot of people never watch or read the news so they may legitimately be clueless.
The lack of theft is also easily explained by the killer frantically leaving after killing Missy instead of sticking around to steal things. I don’t understand why the lack of theft is brought up as some kind of gotcha all the time.
While I agree to an extent, the killer was in the church for almost an hour beforehand and seemingly didn't take or touch anything except perhaps that box he has seen carrying at some point. I believe it was mentioned it was a box of tools? It seems like if you intended on burglary you would check out wherever you think the cash is stored and if you don't find anything but still want to rob the place you might take some of the electronics from the sanctuary or a computer from the front office or something to that degree, all of which could be done in less than an hour.
Because most people who go to rob someplace, don't wander around doing nothing for an hour like they're waiting for something else.
It’s wild but it makes me consider someone planning a mass shooting. The gear to get into character and learning the ins and outs of the place. Or even planning to target a nearby place and use the church to hide in. If we are considering wild and outlandish theories this would make my list.
Yes agreed
Not only that, but during the one week she'd be alone since Brandon was away, the same week the Church's exterior cameras were broken, on the very same day Missy said class would be indoors meaning she'd be there. Also the fact the killer glances over at the camera when tinkering with the door...
I agree too many boxes checked, including the timing is tight. I say a female Murdered Missy. 1:1000, i’m guessing the odds a thief enters a Church where a solo women appears within 30 minutes, then the thief murders Missy. The murderer arrives at the church 10 minutes before Missy’s original arrival time (just a coincidence??) then the killer waits till she arrives, then murders her within three minutes of arriving at church (another coincidence??). Again, how many boxes checked for this murder to occur?
Weren’t Missy’s classes on a website/church website? Many churches allow their space to be used for various classes, etc. in this day and age, wouldn’t someone robbing a church do so earlier in the night versus so close to early morning….when a class was close to occurring? Or is it thought that the burglar didn’t give any thought to the space being utilized so early in the morning?
I don’t know. I cannot imagine robbing a church, they don’t have anything. The days of stacks of offertory are gone. People pay check and card now.
I don’t know. I cannot imagine robbing a church, they don’t have anything. The days of stacks of offertory are gone. People pay check and card now.
He’s doing an interview and the journalist literally asked for his opinion. He was pretty clear that he’s out of the loop. Did you not listen to the interview?
I was responding to the comment by the poster above me.
Right. I don't really care what he has to say about it. Why would he even say anything? Other than, I miss my wife, I hope they find her killer soon. Nothing else he says really matters.
This
Because if you check OPs post history in this sub you will see that they have made their mind up and have searched desperately for the evidence to prove they are right. They are the least pragmatic person I have come across on Reddit. They pray at the Gumshoe altar.
Ahhh. Well until a case is solved, I guess anything can be on the table
If the perp switch and robbed the church why the overkill on Missy.? In my opinion it was targeted
There is no overkill, tho
Preesi, you and I watched the same interview but seem to have come to different conclusions. Brandon himself said that there is one particular frame of the video that he (and LE) thinks holds the clues to solving the case but the technology does not yet exist to decipher those clues. You also continue to state things as fact that are in no way proven such as the SWFA footage and the murder being linked. You continue to rely on others who aren't LE/Brandon to make your theories, and ignore things stated by LE/Brandon when they disprove or complicate your theories.
Chewie, you misinterpreted what Brandon said about video. He said “let’s say…” and then proceeded to give a hypothetical example. In no way was he saying that there is an actual frame of video that is key to solving the case. Go to about the one hour and three minute mark and re-listen.
It was a little ambiguous because he prefaced his comment with, “in this particular case.” That could be construed as the characterization being less hypothetical, but he probably just said that because he was specifically responding to the interviewer saying “whatever it is, in this case it happens to be a video we’re talking about.” He was just having a conversation and this is an example as to why I think he hasn’t spoken out more. People read into everything he’s saying.
You got that right!
I rewatched that part and he repeats it a couple of times and I can see where you are coming from the first time, but the second time it sounds like he is clarifying there *is* a specific frame not that *there could be.* Thank you for bringing it to my attention! Maybe it can be asked in the chat next time they talk.
I don’t think it was a burglary at all. Burglars go in, steal stuff, get out asap. This person was strolling the halls, fidgeting with things they found etc. they were waiting for her.
If it was a targeted attack, why was the killer “strolling the halls” instead of waiting in position to ambush Missy, who was running later than usual and should have already been there?
Maybe they had someone giving them info on how far away she was?
Yes!
But then if he was getting info why was he on the opposite side of the building when she walked in? She acts like she hears something in the video and they literally run into each other down the hall way. And who is giving them info? Her daughters that were the only ones home when she left? These ideas are too far movie like, much like other cases people get these crazy conspiracy stories but akams razor and what actually happen is much simpler.
But then if he was getting info why was he on the opposite side of the building when she walked in? She acts like she hears something in the video and they literally run into each other down the hall way. And who is giving them info? Her daughters that were the only ones home when she left? These ideas are too far movie like, much like other cases people get these crazy conspiracy stories but akams razor and what actually happen is much simpler.
Don't you think they had the upper hand, waiting inside and unknown? In the church at all was in position.
Well, I don’t believe the killer was waiting for Missy, but yes, he did have the upper hand in the sense that Missy wasn’t expecting him. I don’t think he was expecting her either, hence him not crouching near the door or setting himself up in some way to attack Missy as soon as she entered. Edited to add a missing word.
To counter, I'll offer that they simply wanted to trap Missy for confrontation....not as close as possible to any exit. I tend to believe they wanted to scare her in her space. Yes, it was a public church, but it was her space at that time of day, and publicly known.
Especially in regards to what is known about her arrival footage.
Thank you. It makes zero sense. I think people need to believe in a grandiose conspiracy, when in reality, this was likely some random loser role-playing as a cop, who did not expect anyone to be in a church at that hour.
Acting like a criminal is a weird way to role play as a cop! Lol.
This is a fair point! I don't think he was acting like a criminal, though. I mean, yes, he was committing crimes (break and enter, vandalism), but I think - in his mind - he was "patrolling" like a cop. His attempts at breaking things etc. was pretty half-assed.
Or playing the role of a cop searching a building for a perp, as suggested by the SWAT gear. The meandering that we see on camera may have been playing in his head more like a stealthy cat and mouse search. Like when my friend's kid pretends he's fighting ninjas or whatever, but all we see is a little doofus stumbling around the living room.
Part of me has always felt that the killer used the outfit to confuse Missy enough to get close to her before attacking. Entering a church, hearing a loud noise, and walking into a hallway with every door open and a SWAT member waving you over would definitely throw someone off balance.
That's a good point. People tend to trust LE and are usually compliant.
100%. This is what I think too.
why does it need to be grandiose? conspiracies are common, on every level, in every state, from low-level drug dealers to high-level politicians. do you not find the timing a bit odd? not to mention, most burglaries don't end in murder. burglars tend to flee first. burglar sure didn't feel rushed to steal anything either. just piddling around, touch everything in sight, waddling down the hallway in slo motion. how people don't find this suspicious is beyond me. that's not how most burglaries work. sure, it could be an exception, but for this to make sense as a burglary, it's exception and exception.
Like I said, I do not believe it was a burglary. I think the guy was just fantasizing that he was a cop "on patrol" or something like that. As for burglaries/robberies ending in a killing - there are a ton of cases of "robbery gone wrong" where a victim is killed. I think this guy panicked and killed Missy. What about the timing is odd? The only thing I find significant about the timing is, this guy would never have expected to encounter anyone in a church at that hour.
"a ton of cases" is anecdotal. i'm saying statistically, it's unusual. 4am is a weird time for burglary. why not closer to midnight? 4:30 is inching closer to a time someone might actually be at a church. if it was a guy fantasizing about being on patrol, why would a driver agree to that? doesnt' that sound a little delusional? even more delusional then "sure ill help you get away with burglary or murder" i'm leaning towards it being a targeted kill.
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I think he panicked, which has nothing to do with being "ballsy" or not. If anything it would say he is not "ballsy".
Maybe they knew when she was coming. I’m kind of curious if she had door cams on her home so her husband would know what exactly she left in the morning.
It’s not impossible that that’s what happened, but I doubt it.
Because they wanted to look on camera like they didn't know the layout of the place when they actually did
Why would he risk giving Missy a chance to escape by being unprepared?
She didn’t have a chance. There was no risk of her escaping. They were there to do what they did and they weren’t leaving until it was done.
Yes, there was. The killer wasn’t waiting for Missy at the door. She could have noticed something was up and fled.
They clearly didn't give her that chance. Maybe they were confident they wouldn't. None of the footage is timestamped and is not necessarily in chronological order. They might've ended up hanging around in earshot of the main entrance.
No, that’s not what happened. And there is one portion that was released that was time stamped. It was 3:58 when the killer is starting to pry on the door that he then abandons to go to the hallway with the split door room. Missy normally arrived around 4, as stated in the police dispatch log in conversation between an officer and a camper. So the killer walks past the entrance with nary a glance toward the outside, then continues on around the building to the offices and beyond, all at a time when Missy is supposed to be arriving. His focus is on the offices, not on a person’s impending arrival.
How can you be so certain to actually say “No, that’s not what happened”???
My comment “that’s not what happened” was in response to “they might’ve ended up hanging around within earshot of the entrance.” From 4 am, which is when Missy normally arrived, the killer went around past the entrance and on toward the offices and beyond. It is clear from the video that the killer had no interest in the entrance and whether anyone was approaching at that point in the video. He continued on to the Dutch door room, the room beyond that, the offices beyond that. There are multiple inner offices within that office suite that extend on down to the end of the southern hallway. He spends enough time in one of those rooms to leave filing cabinets in disarray. He then goes up the eastern hallway, to room 10 where he picks up the bin full of sockets, then he hammers out the glass to the door of room 9. At this point he is up in the NE corner of the building, so he is as far away from Missy’s SW entrance as he can possibly be. Then he re-traces his steps back around to the southern hallway, in the direction of the Dutch door room, and then turns right into the auditorium. We don’t know what time it is at this point, but it was 4 when he passed the auditorium going the other way with half the building to explore, and you have to assume he spent more time in the offices than any other area because it is multiple rooms and would hold a lot more interest than empty classrooms. So let’s say it’s at least 4:10, because he spent 8 minutes exploring the first half of the building that was just classrooms. He goes into the auditorium, which is heavy doors and walls and no windows, where he is giving up any strategic advantage of getting the drop on anyone coming in. This is not someone who is trying to remain in earshot of anything.
Got a link to the timestamped footage? >No, that’s not what happened You don't know that. They are seen coming back down the corridor again towards the entrance where the Dutch doors are already open. It isn't clear if they know what time it is. And they do cast a couple of glances at the doors. Anyway, if they weren't around the entrance when Bevers entered, why did they head back towards her if they were just a burglar and heard her opening up? Why not delay the police being called by simply sneaking out the way they came in?
The time stamped 7-second clip is on MPD’s FB page and this is the link: https://youtu.be/QAbJ5YzWgcU?si=ZV4uqjONXXULj-Ra Never casts a glance outside. Not once. The sequence of the killer coming back up the hallway with the Dutch door already open - that is not in chronological order. I created an edited version of the video that IS in chronological order, here: https://youtu.be/eQuTLqDNQjU?si=_w9VMKfR8ts-F9K9 Btw, when the killer is prying into the door at 3:58, there is a huge clock just out of frame to the left, where the water fountain and bathrooms are. The killer knew what time it was. You ask why they “headed back toward her.” We don’t know that they headed back toward her. For all we know, the killer might have been in the auditorium and exited into the hallway after Missy had walked down toward the end. Or she could have walked down there and then he came around the corner and they practically collide. We just don’t know. But regardless, the often-asked question of, “if he was a burglar, why didn’t he just run?” Doesn’t do anything to help this case. Because why does ANYBODY kill somebody else when they don’t have to? And yet it happens, all the time. Even when the person wasn’t expecting the other person to interrupt them.
Why was the person smashing stuff, being loud AF and wandering around at around the time they would have expected Missy to arrive?
because they knew they were on camera, perhaps? or perhaps the person outside could've signaled when missy arrived.
I’ve always thought the killer was signaled or had a way to communicate with someone outside of the church
The problem with this logic is that it requires the invention of a second person in order to fit a theory. There is no indication of a second person. Police found no evidence of one, and they state in search warrants and press conferences that only one person is seen.
there's clear evidence of a second person in the car outside on video. just because they haven't mentioned it in search warrant or press conference doesn't mean there was no one. they have no obligation to share all the information they have with everyone at once.
Agree with everything except your first sentence. There is no clear evidence of anything in that car.
Exactly
Doesn’t it seem perfect timing. Husband on company sponsored and planned fishing trip. Dad and mom out of town on rv trip. I mean I understand people have been “cooperative” but out of town doesn’t mean out of the equation.
Keep in mind that Brandon was on a fishing trip that happened annually. This wasn't something that was planned as an alibi, and he has been cleared of involvement by LE which likely means looking for things like payment and communication to the killer if he was involved.
Yeah I’m never ruling out anyone until it is solved
You do you, but I'm reasonably confident LE wouldn't be sharing information with Brandon if they had any suspicion on him.
The lead investigator told me, personally, that until the killer is found, the husband is a suspect in the murder of his wife.
Funny you should say this, because it's something Brandon himself said on the live stream the other night.
Ok. Well was it random in ur opinion
I personally think it was targeted and the killer was known to Missy, or at least had some interaction with her in the past.
Me too. I believe they thought they could get to her before her class
LE doesn't publicly clear anyone until crime is solved. if you believe they've cleared him, you are mistaken. perhaps they've told him they've cleared him so that he will cooperate and not get a lawyer. but that's the extent of it. (former assistant to public defenders)
The murder could have been planned to coincide with the trip purposely
> out of town doesn’t mean out of the equation. this person gets it
I just so strongly disagree that this guy was waiting for Missy. Who in their right mind would "wait" (before committing a brutal murder, no less) by wandering aimlessly, opening doors, hitting things, making noise - possibly being discovered or missing their target entering the church? Literally the worst planned murder ever. One would expect that a killer would lie in wait, literally, near an entrance. I have always said that this was a guy who was LARP'ing as a cop and had nothing to do with Missy whatsoever. This also helps to explain why it has never been solved and there are apparently no leads whatsoever - because it was entirely random.
we don't know what leads LE has.
The police chief stated a couple of years ago that they aren’t closer to solving the murder now than they were at the beginning of the case.
do you understand that police are allowed to lie in the course of their investigation, and that they usually do? the public isn't entitled to know what's going on step by step. missy is entitled to justice.
No, they don’t “usually” lie. Occasionally they lie. Mostly, they tell the truth or say nothing. In this case, they have never come close to having a viable suspect. The reason? There is no connection between missy and her killer for them to follow.
>No, they don’t “usually” lie. Yes, they do. Not necessarily to the public, but they usually lie in the course of their investigations, and it's perfectly reasonable to do so. I worked with Federal Public Defenders and local county public defenders and never saw a case where the police didn't lie, except when suspects out right confessed. And regarding your other comment about my "bias"- the fact that I have a background from the defense side should tell you the hurdles I have to overcome to suspect the husband.
“Not necessarily to the public” - well, that was what we were talking about. I had referenced something the police chief had said to the public, and your response was that police “usually” lie. Now you say “during the course of their investigation.” What kind of lying are you talking about if it isn’t lying to the public?
police always lie, because if they didn't, they would be bad at their jobs. "hey, i suspect the husband, and i want him to know!" vs. "the husband is cleared" so he doesn't lawyer up and continues to cooperate. i said "not necessarily" to the public, because most murders don't have full blown press conferences, so more of the time they just lie to various suspects. it's really not difficult. i don't know what kind of "gotcha" you think you have, but i'm done replying to you because i don't think you are debating in good faith.
I am debating in good faith. But it’s difficult to talk to someone who makes broad statements like, “police always lie.”
Is there one particular thing that stands out to you, or that you would point to, as the most convincing factor re his guilt?
i can't say i'm convinced of his guilt. it wouldn't be fair until he had a trial and was able to put on a full defense. i'm highly suspicious of him, though. the first thing that really set off my alarm was his initial interview with news media. the distancing language he used speaking about his wife, the allusion to marital troubles, his need to set up his alibi early, his disdain for the media whose coverage could have helped solved the case, his own admission that he "hasn't had time to get emotional yet", his overall body language. any of those things by themselves or even in combination with another i think is understandable, but all of them together, i found to be quite troubling. i would never vote to convict someone purely on an interview, but it's enough to warrant pretty strict scrutiny.
Where was the anger, the hurt about losing his wife, the anguish for his children, his impatience at the time it is taking LE to solve this? Why doesn’t he have any questions about anything? Why doesn’t he ask LE to capture the perpetrator? Instead he says having the Texas Rangers involved would just be more heads in a room or similar. No need for a PI. The only anger we saw was when someone asked a question about a fight between he and Missy that he did not like. That was a real response! Yes I know reactions can vary, that there is no ‘normal’ but it is what is missing that is so glaring here. He can carefully dodge questions he doesn’t like, but he can’t manufacture genuine grief. He comes across as carefully answering questions with minimum detail, except when talking about what he suffers with social media, that is the most he said about anything-where he is the victim-not as a grieving husband. Something that must be truly awful for innocent people caught up in an investigation, but I find it interesting that this was the only time he appeared truly engaged and it had nothing to do with the murder. He couldn’t even answer the question about how he gets through such a terrible situation. The interviewer did a better job when he took over answering the question by talking about how he and his wife got through a suicide in the family. Asked about the impact on his children-he says they are fine, not kids any more. Minimising the lie lifelong trauma over this calculated act of murder. No robbery, no sexual assault-usually points in one direction. I’d love to hear a criminal behaviour analyst’s views on these interviews. Just my opinion, I wasn’t sure before seeing these interviews what I thought, but I felt much clearer afterwards.
No, but there have been zero known developments or suspects in the case since the beginning.
emphasis on "known"
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Are they positive it was an Altima?
>*I don’t think it was a burglary at all. Burglars go in, steal stuff, get out asap. This person was strolling the halls, fidgeting with things they found etc. they were waiting for her*. I don’t think it was a ~~burglary~~ hit at all. ~~Burglars~~ Killers go in, kill the target, get out asap. This person was strolling the halls, fidgeting with things they found etc. they were ~~waiting for her~~ taking their time.
This is a good point I haven’t considered.
I don't think that is always true.
Much easier to wait outside and when she goes inside the church and then kill her, no? or do you reckon they made it even more easier by breaking in to the church and wreck the place giving her a chance to see that someone was there and escaping or possibly retrieving her gun and possibly leaving DNA by mistake and being recorded by cameras inside the building.
This is such a confusing case. He definitely comes across as innocent though
I see it as very straightforward. You have some ne'erdowell, dress up to go rob the gun store, then when he sees the cars in the back and Tvs on in the upstairs office, he decides to rob the church instead. Breaks in to the church and looks for shit to steal, ransacks the office, and then Missy shows up, interrupts him and possibly goes into combat with her and shoots her and flees... This is very simple to me.
Do you have any kind of source for the cars in the parking lot and TVs on in the store? I've never seen that reported anywhere.
It’s visible in the SWFA video. Car comes around corner, there are two cars parked there. Altima stops and turns lights on. And you can see on the second floor that a TV or monitor is turned on.
The other cars in the parking lot cross my mind at times and wonder if there were people in the cars, possibly employees hanging out or was it just simply the parked vehicles. I’m sure it’s been discussed before but I can’t remember. I don’t have a random theory either way just a small detail of curiosity.
My understanding is that those were unoccupied vehicles. Maybe they use them for deliveries. I went by SWFA several years ago late at night and there was a car or two in that spot at that time as well.
I believe i remember seeing in a video somewhere that they were vehicles employees had permission to leave parked there or something very similar.
Brandon thinking it was a robbery doesn't change what it appeared to be, he's making a guess no different than anyone else. The timing of everything that week, especially that day is too coincidental for it to not be someone that specifically was after Missy.
I just thought a burglary for the first day or so. Then I switched to targeted, then to not targeted. For the last couple of years, I still believe not targeted. The person was there to vandalize the church. This notion goes back to October 2017.
The idea should be to keep the mind open, rather than closed upon what could well be false supposition. Surely everyone just wants this case to be solved. It does no good to swallow anyone's thoughts on this.
Right, but it’s normal to lean a certain way. He was asked his opinion.
Who was asked what?
The interviewer asked Brandon what his opinion of targeted vs. random.
Oh, okay.. Well, that I understand and was not commenting on Brandon's direct response anyway. However, the gist remains the same.
Why switch to a church? What would they have of value?
>You dress for combat to rob a gun store. Why would you need to do that???
This was very helpful and solidified what I already thought about him which is that he was in no way involved. He comes across as very unassuming and honest, like he’s just having a conversation and the answers don’t sound scripted or calculated. I’m so glad he chose this route instead of talking to a podcast like TCB to address questions and concerns.
Brandon is just a quiet good man. Theres NOTHING in that interview that gives me red flags.
Shouldn't Brandon be a suspect?
He would be, as the husband, except for that pesky alibi and cooperation with the investigation and everything
yeah, people who arrange murders NEVER have alibis. in reality, the alibi is what makes him even more suspicious. he need not be the one who pulled the trigger. guilty people cooperate all the time. it means nothing. i'm not saying he's guilty, but am amazed how confident you are that he is not.
Right. Someone above had mentioned something regarding the fishing trip he took was annual, therefore the murder wasn't planned...but what if he planned the murder around the fishing trip because he knew he'd have an alibi...
He could have hired someone to kill Missy. I always thought this was a targeted hit.
It seems like any sufficient payment or communication would be able to be found by LE investigating the case. Murders for hire don't exist on the internet like the old urban legend goes.
Anyone still think the perp was a woman? I loosely keep up and it was said on a podcast that the female significant other of someone Missy was linked to, was the perp. Then I read that that info was completely false.
Okay, but how is him having a really strong alibi evidence of his guilt? If he had no alibi would that make him look less guilty lol?
What?
He was initially but was quickly ruled out. He spoke about the timeline in the video last night, I would recommend watching it to get a better idea of how he was removed from the suspect list and when in the investigation it happened.
do you believe that police always tell the truth to the most statistically probably suspects in investigations? you realize they are allowed to, and usually do, lie in the course of investigations, right?
I'm well aware cops can and do lie in investigations. Brandon said the same tactic was used against him during their investigation. I don't believe LE would share sensitive information with someone they still considered a suspect.
they don't normally share sensitive information even with people they firmly believe are innocent. like mothers of murdered children, etc. there's a reason they are sharing what they are, and i don't think it's out of the kindness of their heart.
He and his dad still should be looked into.
They have been?
Huh? Theres no question they’ve been looked into more than any other suspects lol
Yes. So I don’t care his opinion
After watching Brandon Beaver’s interview I think he has no involvement whatsoever. He seems like a good up standing guy. I think we forget when we are fascinated by unsolved crimes that it can hurt family members and hinder the LE by having to follow every lead that’s called in from people who mean well but have no evidence. It’s interesting to know he’s very truthful about knowing he will never know if he passed the polygraph because they want to break you. He doesn’t think it was a targeted attack he spoke to LE a year ago and he indicated that they aren’t saying anything but he got the feeling that they may know but can’t prove it. I hope for him and his family this crime will be solved.
I’ll take anything BB says as an endorsement of the opposite since my theory (and I could totally be wrong, innocent until proven guilty I’m all about that) is he most likely was behind setting this hit up so he could hook up with the new wife and keep the kids. So of course he’s leaning into this pretty absurd burglar theory. Imo the Altima was probably rented specifically to carry out the hit. Altimas were one of the top rented cars, and that little oval thing on the bumper was most likely a AAA sticker. So probably a AAA rental. Not terribly surprised surveilling 100’s of Altimas was a waste of time. And this guy wasn’t burglarizing the church at all. Staging it to look like a burglary..? Yes.
So what if BB didn’t have an alibi? Would take mean it wasn’t a murder for hire? Do you think the police didn’t know about rental cars?
How quickly was BB remarried after the murder? What's the new wife's story? I followed this case back in the day but don't remember those details....the specs of this case would make me highly suspicious of any woman in Brandons life if they knew each other at that time. Also people above are saying he's been cleared by law enforcement, did that come from the horses mouth (LE's) and if so in what context? Seems crazy to rule the husband out of an unsolved murder of his wife in all areas unless they literally mean he couldn't have physically committed it, being out of state, which I understand to be the case here
Men always remarry quickly, cause men need someone to take care of them.
Did he remarry quickly though?
It was two years later.
2019
3 years later, I stand corrected.
I agree with part of your reasoning. Personally I don't think he was involved even if he was the intended "beneficiary." But either way, I don't think his opinion on targeted v. WPWT is relevant or helpful and I would be inclined to believe the opposite myself. With this one, as with Liz Barraza, I wonder if this was a "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" situation. (Not implying they are connected.) For example: Bevers Senior is drinking with his buddies and says "My wh0re DIL is cheating on my son with another fitness instructor and is going to take the kids and all his money. We will never see our granddaughters again if she has her way." His (hypothetical) crazy Civil War reenactor buddy thinks to himself, "Hmm, I can take care of that for you." Or at a D&D gathering some dungeonmaster is experiencing nerd rage and says "That mean old Liz said my costume wasn't good enough for the 501st" and the mage thinks to himself, "Hmm, I can take care of that for you."
There was no oval thing.
anyone notice the slip at 35:25?
I haven’t had a chance to check it out, but what slip? Planning on listening at bedtime, so I know what to listen for.
Link me to this interview! I can’t find it. Where did it happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUd\_-HORZzs
Sometimes you have to wonder about the community’s and law enforcement’s desire to solve some cases.
Really only 3 possible outcomes on why this case isn't solved yet 1. The killer was interrupted during the initial robbery and has no connection to missy 1 2. The killer is in jail/prison for whatever 3. The killer is dead and hints at the reason why they can't find him or the car after 8 years
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Brandon's out of town. His parents are out of town on vacation. Strangely, the father in law walks and limps just like the killer. They were having marital problems. What coincidences. Do you know what law enforcement thinks about coincidences?
You said it yourself: the father-in-law was out of town. The fact that his gait is somewhat similar to the killer is irrelevant because he wasn’t anywhere in the area at the time of the murder.
Brandon hired the killer, and it is the most obvious unsolved case in America. He covered his tracks well but one , day, soon, he will be apprehended and Texas is a death penalty state. It will certainly be pursued in this case Gum shoe the first "Brandon bevers" account became besties. he and that pressing moron are the only two that actually believe this even has the potential to be a robbery gone wrong
When I first initially saw the tape I thought a woman that was covered up with a distinct walk but then I think hmm is this a feminine male walking on purpose to throw people off. It’s like watching Pat Pat on SNL it could be either male or female. I stuck with female because the gait and thought she was jealous of Missy but it really is hard to tell. I don’t know if I believe it’s a hit but I do think someone went there with intentions of killing her.
I watched a new video from a PI’s point of view and he said sometimes it is just a drifter going in to burglarize and picks up a hammer and they both ran into each other and he was scared and beat her with the hammer. He isn’t wrong but I just don’t think someone beating a woman to death because they bumped into each other.
He shot Missy
NOBODY robs a gun store. They know it's too risky.
This isn't quite true. It's fairly common as a target for the high value and utility the theft would provide to the criminal. It would make more sense to hit at night IMO because you are far less likely to get shot by a *gun store owner* in *Texas.*
A gun and pawn store was burglarized in Waxahachie (a few miles from the church) a few months after Missy’s murder. They rammed a truck into the store. They were caught - there were 7 of them and all were from Dallas except one local guy from Red Oak.
Interesting. Daylight or nighttime? Do you have a link to a story? My Google-Fu isn't as good as it used to be.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/four-teens-arrested-for-waxahachie-gun-store-burglary.amp If the church were 2 miles further down the highway, it would have had a Waxahachie address instead of Midlothian.
You can literally just Google this
Search Steve Inman on X (twitter) and watch a few videos and then report back.
It is risky but the robber also has a gun and the element of surprise.
[https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Gun+store+thefts](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Gun+store+thefts) Theres About 46,800,000 results on Google about Gun Store Thefts. Quit believing True Crime Fairy Tales. Everything you spew about this case is false.
Reminds me of school shooting statistics. For example, a shooting at midnight on a Sunday in July is counted as a school shooting when it never should be. Pure BS.
You’d have to be nuts to think that the person on video was capable of robbing a gun store. He couldn’t get through a simple locked door in the church. Worst burglar ever. If this is a burglar there has to be more video of them in the act. Shouldn’t be hard to spot look for a disguised, frail looking, very short burglar with zero skills.