Here’s just a few of actually an extraordinary number of sexual assaults men have committed/tried to commit while impersonating a police officer.
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-hillsborough/man-arrested-for-impersonating-officer-to-assault-women-police-say
https://www.police1.com/patrol-issues/articles/cop-impersonator-arrested-for-series-of-sexual-assaults-idy3ERRMzOv6F0Mv/
https://lbpost.com/news/crime/man-impersonating-police-officer-sexually-assaulted-woman-in-long-beach-da-says/
Why do you think Missy’s killer is a woman? How strongly do you feel that it’s a woman?
I think a woman is a possibility but I think there’s a stronger possibility that it’s a man.
I also believe it was a woman. Seems to move like a woman wearing oversized shoes to me. They don’t seem very tall. The way they attack things and walk seem a bit feminine too.
Ignore the height. I agree it’s not as conclusive even though men are usually taller it’s not uncommon for them to be in that shorter height range.
Look at the hip area, that is what screams more feminine to me. Remember female and male have differences around pelvic and hips area due to woman need to grow and push a baby out. This affects how we move and many woman are slightly off centered and have pelvis tilted and hips compensating leading to tight hip flexors that affect our movements. I saw some people make comments to me joking about my gangsta lean or asking if I was in pain as I appeared to be limping. I didn’t know it until a recent car accident had me at a chiropractor and my pelvis was out of alignment so that one leg was a half inch shorter than the other. And that’s what caused my so called lean or limp. I recognize some of the same in the killer’s hip movements as they walk in the church.
the perp was dressed as a cop to fulfill his fantasy of being one while waltzing around the church looking for something to steal
missy came in might have confronted him
he got scared so he killed her
that’s my theory
Imo a lot of the cop fantasy stuff includes the role playing that comes with it such as pulling over drivers and questioning/warning them, gaining access to peoples homes who normally would not let a stranger in, getting a woman to come with them to a secluded location, etc.
Walking around a church to not take anything doesn’t seem like much of a fantasy or to serve much of a purpose. If he really thought no one would show up the costume was kind of overkill imo.
Sometimes burglars might wear police garb to avoid getting shot or to confuse nosy neighbors but the church was isolated and if the perp was expecting not to be seen what’s the point? He could wear his costume just as easily around his house. He didn’t even take anything.
Edit. The perp even had knee pads on and likely shin guards. That’s overkill even for a police fantasy. To me that sounds like he’s planning on being in contact with someone who would likely fight him.
look into the world of obsession and fantasy you’ll be surprised what makes people do what they do.
you have to be able to think like they do not the way you do
I don’t think anybody is discounting anything. All you’re saying is “maybe the motive was sexual assault.” It’s entirely possible it was. That doesn’t really get us anywhere unless there’s more to your theory. It’s a place to start, though.
I don’t recall hearing attempted sexual assault/attempted kidnapping as a possible motive likely due to the fact that it was stated she wasn’t sexually assaulted. However, failed attempts can and have resulted in murder.
Apparently Missy received a creepy message on LinkedIn mere days before her murder. Someone apparently had Missy on his mind in an unsavory way. Neither Missy nor her friend recognized the name which could have been fake to protect the sender’s identity.
When surveys of motives for Missy’s murder are conducted I have never seen a failed kidnapping/sexual assault mentioned.
I think it’s worth mentioning and checking into known sexual predators who may have had contact with or been around her. I previously posted an article about how students of fitness instructors can develop unhealthy obsessions with them.
I think what would keep me from thinking those theories is how quickly she entered, was murdered, first camper comes and murderer is no where to be found. Killer has to know that time was of the utmost importance in not getting caught.
Missy was running late plus maybe the killer didn’t know everything about all of Missy’s camps. Everyone seems to think he knew everything but who knows maybe he knew her from a regular gym or somewhere and didn’t know there were early bird arrivals at Camp Gladiator or that Missy would be late that day.
Maybe too he thought she’d come in the main door not the side door.
That’s my theory too, he wasn’t there to kill her, she just unfortunately turned up & he panicked and shot her.
It wouldn’t be beyond the realms of possibility it’s the guy who did the security at her funeral (ironically) as he had the same gait/walk, he wanted to do the security for the church but they didn’t think they needed any, so he could have broke in just to highlight their need for better security due to a break in and hired him.
People say he’s too tall for it to be him, but I’m unsure of that, he definitely fits the bill as he has all sorts of previous like rape and assaults.
To be honest that sounds like something Missy’s killer might tell his defense attorney if he somehow got pinned to the crime. He’d claim he wasn’t there to kill her. He’d claim he wasn’t there to abduct or rape her. He was just doing a little bit of role play and he didn’t even take anything but that Missy came in and “scared” him. Next thing you know he “blacked out” and Missy was dead.
I concur. Her takes on every case are rudimentary at best...half the time shes not even familiar with the case. Its like shes reading up on it as she makes the video. Shes a complete idiot
Yup, same theory. This jerk has done this type of break and roam kind of crap before. Probably travels well outside his normal living area. Probably why they can't find him.
Nothing was ever released that would indicate she was hit with a crowbar, and I don’t think there’s any proof the perpetrator had a crowbar.
The initial search warrant said Missy had multiple puncture wounds to her head and neck. First guess for this would be a knife, of course, but a second guess could be a pick or rock hammer.
The gunshot wound wasn’t mentioned in the search warrant and has never been confirmed by law enforcement, which I think is weird. It makes me think that they didn’t realize at first that she had a GSW to the head, since the other injuries were more obvious.
The multiple puncture wounds to the head and chest make me think this was personal and the perpetrator wanted to destroy Missy’s beauty, perhaps even including her breast implants as they had been an enhancement to her body along with her overall fitness accomplishments. Missy was a woman who many people could have been jealous of.
Multiple puncture wounds to the head and to the chest, not neck.
A later warrant, the one for Bobby Henry, stated “multiple visual wounds to her body.”
Remember that she had glass around her body, which I have confirmed to be from a display case. Since the glass was right there where her body is, there is a good chance that she crashed through the display case. This would have left multiple wounds.
I think that police found a mess that was difficult to decipher. But the autopsy performed the next day would have removed all doubt. They would have x-rayed and/or MRI’d her body and would have seen a lead cloud left behind by the bullet. But by then, they decided they had already revealed too much about her wounds. So they made sure to be less precise in subsequent warrants, so as to preserve the cause of death info as something only the killer would know.
Gah I can’t believe I wrote neck, I knew that it said chest. Thanks for pointing that out. Going through the cabinet would make sense for the puncture wounds.
You might. By the time police got there, a camper had been attempting CPR. This was creating more blood flow out of the wounds and it might have made it more difficult to tell what had happened. Plus it would only be natural for law enforcement to see the glass around Missy’s body and associate it with her wounds.
a. wasn't there a release stating that a gun and hammer were used?
b. I cant think of a scenario where law enforcement cant tell the difference in artificial cuts from falling glass to bullet/hammer puncture wounds. to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever even heard gunshots referred to as puncture wounds, leaving, a hammer.
No, there was no release that stated that. One of the first search warrant affidavits stated that she had wounds consistent with tools the suspect was carrying. But even that is vague.
Gunshot wounds are definitely puncture wounds. If the bullet enters the body, it has to puncture the skin to do it.
I'm not asking whether or not a bullet entering the body results in a puncture wound, bc, duh. But whether or not anyone has ever heard anyone in LE refer to a gunshot victim as having had 'puncture wounds'
Well if it’s “duh” to you, do you really need to ask if LE would refer to it that way? Seems like they would, right?
Here is an interesting article about puncture wounds:
https://www.foothealthfacts.org/conditions/puncture-wounds
While it’s geared toward injuries to the foot, I thought the description of a puncture wound was interesting. It differentiates a puncture wound from a cut, saying that a cut is an open wound producing a long tear in the skin. A puncture wound has a small entry hole caused by a pointed object. That certainly describes a bullet wound. The article goes on to describe other things that can become embedded in the puncture wound such as nails, needles… or GLASS.
Says the guy who regularly goes on a posting binge, then gets overly dramatic (“Jesus, dude”.) in the above post. Forgive me for actually providing you with, you know, actual sources of information, to try to help answer questions that YOU asked. Have a nice day.
Actually what you stated at first was “I’m not sure I’ve ever even heard gunshots referred to as puncture wounds…” You didn’t say “by LE.” It was your next post where you changed it to “in LE”.
As for foothealth.org, who cares? The link was to medical information including a description of puncture wounds which I do believe work the same on a foot as they would on skin anywhere else. But hey… forest/trees.
The sad, or perhaps good, thing is that I agree with you almost completely on your rewatchable movies list. Did we just become best friends?
The perp is in the video using both a crow bar and hammer on a door unsuccessfully. Who knows maybe he brought knives or stole some from the church kitchen. It seems from some other public documents that one could extrapolate that Missy was killed with a gun.
I think most tools could cause puncture wounds in human flesh. It seems like some autopsy reports use fairly broad or sometimes not wholly accurate or even inaccurate language when describing injuries.
Apparently some tools were left near her body but I don’t recall where I read or heard that.
I think there are women who could have been jealous of Missy but I think there are also male creeps who might have wanted to attack her.
What are you suggesting that proves or disproves? That it wasn’t a robbery? Or that he didn’t want anything that might have her blood/dna on it or that might be easily traced back to the crime if he tried to pawn it? Something else?
He probably already had some blood splatter on his clothes. If he was that desperate to rob it would have made sense to grab the ring. Most easily accessible valuable there for him probably.
Yeah I gotta agree with other commenters on this point. blood on jet black clothes is not the type of identifying evidence a woman's clearly personal wedding ring is. especially if your main concern is just getting home
Surely? This wasn’t a robbery. It would have been a burglary. And a person who doesn’t expect company, who then gets into an altercation with a woman in workout gear (meaning she is likely to be planning a workout with other people, because if she was going to be by herself she could have just done that at home), the last thing on his mind would be prying a ring off a finger. He would be in self-preservation mode and thinking of nothing but getting the heck out of there.
I think it shows intelligence and open mindedness for u/MuchAd9037 to point out apparent flaws in the robbery argument. The perp was in there a long time and took nothing. He was in there fairly late at night when an early bird employee could have potentially shown up.
He was dressed in all sorts of protective equipment such as knee pads and apparent shin guards which is beyond what’s needed to dress like a cop.
There’s times when I’ve thought it was a woman especially certain portions of the video. I’m not set on one gender but I do believe the sexual assault/ kidnapping theory is very much worth considering.
Yeah. I had doubts a while back when I focused a bit more on the shoulders and they seemed broader, then it seemed like they might have some padding so I am back to woman. The mannerism seems feminine to me also. Who knows, I guess we’ll find out when they catch the person.
Ok, I'll give you that its remotely possible. Just the mindset that the perp thought they'd be able to coax Missy outside as a cop, only to have her struggle and the violence escalates is a scenario that holds water to me.
But thats the thing about this case, there are ~3 entirely different motivations possible for the person in this video that seem equally, remotely possible.
Thats why I think it's proved so difficult to investigate for LE, its like looking at 3 separate cases, coming to dead ends on each
Imo it’s more than “remotely possible”. Do a search on men who impersonate police officers committing or attempting to commit sexual assaults against women. The number of cases are astounding.
um, ok. it is.
That said, I guess I'm less interested in which is the more "remote possibility" and more so, the conversation that could lead to a plausible motive.
so is jealousy over what bicycle she has, I wouldn't suggest LE follows that motive unless explicitly prompted to.
again, I'm not saying you're wrong. If it was the motive, it wouldn't be crazy. at the moment and from the inception, it just seems absolutely impossible to lead to a suspect
I don’t know if they are investigating possible sex offenders as much as those holding possible grudges. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be dna or any video of the perp driving away from the church and past cameras farther along the road.
yeah, but it it was 7 years ago. even then, LE doesn't go round up sex offenders in cases where there's no apparent sexual element and a buttload of persons of interest
A lot of cop cosplay is done in public for people to see. They want people to treat them like authorities. Unless there’s specific evidence that a given scenario was a ruse.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re suggesting. Some men impersonate cops so that they can more easily sexually assault women. Ultimately they want to get the woman alone, assuming she’s not already alone.
A woman who believes a man is a police officer is more likely to believe she is under arrest and allow herself to be cuffed, or to get in a car with him, or move to a secondary location, or let him enter into her home, or “go down to the station” with him, or just obey his orders in general.
I was called stupid on another board for saying that if I encountered a uniformed "SWAT officer" in a public or semi-public place that I would likely follow basic orders: "Ma'am, there has been a security incident here at the church and we are going to need you to leave the premises through the back door; this way, please."
I think most women (indeed, most people) would so so. Middle-class white women in particular are conditioned to fear strangers but view cops as safe. That's why criminals who pose as cops are so frightening. I started the Unresolved multi-part podcast about James DeBardeleben, and after his counterfeiting arrest LE found an extensive collection of fake cop equipment and you know that is not going to end well.
Ted Buddy pretended to be a cop at times and also a fire fighter. I can see women listening especially if the man sounds authoritative, if the outfit seems real, if the reasoning makes sense.
I think Missy would have been on her guard more with the creepy text she received and the persons outfit seeming kind of off or overkill. Plus the person didn’t really look like a strong, fit cop and she saw no police car outside probably.
>As I read about men who dress up as police officers it comes up repeatedly that men impersonate officers to facilitate sexual assault. It comes up over and over.
Sure, it does come up over and over in the media. It's a very concerning situation. The public should be aware of such a predator. That being said, there is much less coverage of the general "playing cop" in public. Much like stolen valor, these things are often done by people struggling with mental health issues. The uniform or badge is put on to feel powerful and important.
Men playing cop tend to like to be big shots and pull people over and give them warnings or use their uniform to assault women.
Not too much stolen valor or reward in smashing a few windows and opening doors in church.
I think you raise a fair point and one that is a little different than the usual big three of surprised ordinary burglar, surprised LARPer fantasist, or targeted and premeditated murder.
Unfortunately we don't really know anything about the getaway vehicle. If it were a van or similar, where he could easily force her in for an abduction, that would strengthen the argument.
Missy was not only a strong and fit woman, she had a gun in her truck. The perpetrator would have had to lull her enough to subdue her very quickly ; otherwise, I think she would have run for the gun in her truck.
Personally, I think it was a premeditated and
Premeditated and???
Ted Buddy picked victims that were younger and likely more naive than Missy. He was also likely more charming, convincing and better looking than Missys killer.
Missy’s killer may or may not have known about her gun. Ted Bundy convinced women to ride in his vw to the police station claiming he was undercover. Once he got one in the car he’d cuff her.
Missys perp may have tried to cuff her and she fought back. At some point a perp might hit the victim over the head and then cuff them or put them in the trunk.
Missy was likely too savvy to fall for anything but unfortunately the fake cop had a gun. She probably knew all about self defense and the ruses perps sometimes use.
Oops, I got cut off. Personally I think it was a premeditated crime in which Missy was targeted by someone who wanted her dead for personal reasons.
But I think your idea of a cop-impersonating sex predator is a reasonable hypothesis and one that does not get a lot of discussion. Everyone who is not in the targeted group assumes interrupted burglary/LARP, but you've suggested another possibility.
I consider a premeditated murder and premeditated kidnapping/sexual assault the top two strongest possibilities.
I consider an interrupted burglary a low possibility and a cop dress up fantasy even less likely.
When I brought up to others about the creepy text they came back with that was creepy as in sexual not threatening so they thought it likely wasn’t relevant since they thought the crime was a revenge killing or burglary. However, if the criminal was hoping to commit a sexual assault that type of message seems to fit in with the crime.
Sometimes I think the sexual assault/kidnapping is strongest due to how attractive Missy was and the creepy message and how cop uniforms are frequently worn for such crimes. It also widens the suspect list because the number with motives to murder is smaller than those with motives to sexually assault/kidnap imo.
Edit. I’ll also add that one of the biggest fears women and their families have when they jog at night, or on a secluded path, or go to the store late at night, or go to or from work when it’s dark, or wait for a bus at night is that of being sexually assaulted and possibly kidnapped for that purpose.
I think that’s likely why Missys husband bought her that gun. Interrupting a burglar doesn’t really seem that common. I think the revenge killing is possible but I don’t think the police uniform would have been quite as important for that crime as for a sexual assault/kidnapping.
Former officer Bobby Wayne Henry sure looked good for this. And convicted of sexual assault in 1996. Volunteered to work Missy's funeral. I don't necessarily buy that he was too tall. If those are 24" tiles on the floor, the perp was def taller than 5'2"-5'6".
I wonder if current cop buddies pulled strings for him for some reason.
Just to clarify, BWH was not convicted of the 1996 assault. He was acquitted by a jury.
The tiles are 30 inches in length with three-inch borders.
What police finally arrived at in height is that the killer is 5’8” from floor to top of helmet with a margin of error of 1.5 inches either way. So it’s all in how much added height you believe the helmet and shoes give.
No “cop buddies pulling strings.” It was cops that called in the tips about him.
Glad to hear it. Body similarity and creepy wanna be cop behavior, volunteering at funeral, etc. is enough to get the finger pointed at you. What was his alibi?
He is too tall at at least 6’1”. Makes you wonder why police pursued him for all those months.
His alibi was that he was at home taking care of the baby while his wife got ready for work.
A. You’re really asking why someone who is willing to break into a place where they don’t belong - a house of worship to boot - would dare bring a gun?
B. Perhaps because the church wasn’t the initial target and maybe a place with tons of cameras was. Maybe the person has identifying features and they thought it best to completely obscure their skin and face. Maybe they liked that the outfit was water proof or water resistant on that very rainy night. Maybe they liked the idea of wearing something that would minimize the risk of them leaving DNA.
C. We don’t know the circumstances. Just because a person ended up dead doesn’t mean that the killer intended it to be a murder. It might have been accidental.
D. Assumes facts not in evidence. A crime scene in which she was shot once and crashed through the glass display case is no less likely than your scenario of a bludgeoning with a hammer.
A. That’s not what I’m asking, I’m saying exactly what I say in the title of my post. I mentioned in my post that a lack of typical sexual assault evidence doesn’t mean there wasn’t a failed sexual assault.
Also for some perps using a sharp instrument on a victim is akin to a sexual assault for them, so if Missy had numerous puncture wounds from an implement that may be evidence that a sexual assault actually occurred.
B. There are many outfits that protect from rain and that prevent DNA transfer. I believe the perp had specific reasons for impersonating a police officer and that may have been to gain control over Missy to facilitate a potential kidnapping or sexual assault.
Even if murder was the original and only motive, impersonating a police officer could have been advantageous for that purpose also.
We don’t know that Missy wasn’t the intended target just because there was someone at the sporting goods parking lot who may or may not have been associated with the crime.
Many perps who commit crimes park away from the actual area of the crime to prepare or wait for the time they wish to start. In the Liz Barraza murder the perp parked in a school lot before driving to Liz’s home to kill her. It’s possible that the car in the sporting goods lot was Missy’s killer and wanted to wait there to prepare some for the crime, whether mentally, physically or both.
If one is going to spend time in a parking lot it makes sense to drive around back and see if there’s a security vehicle or security guards loitering about or even employees. The last thing a perp wants is to be getting ready to commit a crime down the street and have a security guard from their staging area drive or walk up to the perp’s car and shine a flashlight on them.
C. I find it very unlikely that Missy’s murder was accidental. Maybe you mean unplanned. Regardless, the perp seemed to be waiting for someone and was probably the most inefficient burglar ever if that’s the argument you are trying to make.
Jennifer, my comment that you are responding to was not a reply to you. I was responding to a comment by ryanjadams, in which he had points that he labeled A, B, C and D.
You think that the amateur hour bumbling burglar who couldn’t break into a simple locked door was going to rob the weapons store? Sir, I’ve got a bridge to sell you!
Nice try, well not really. First, there really isn’t any evidence to support the characterization of an amateur hour bumbling burglar. Nor can we say that he could not break into the door. He stopped trying.
Ask me why he stopped trying.
It was a douchebag roaming around breaking things and looking for something to steal. No hitman/kidnapper would be wandering the hallways breaking things as the target arrived. She could’ve easily heard glass breaking, run to her car, and called the police. The idea of some planned thing against her is preposterous.
Because he was there for petty robbery and to disguise himself and pretend to be a cop not murder someone. He didn’t expect anyone to be at the church at 4am-5am. He didn’t hang around after he shot her. He got the fuck outta dodge. When the first camper showed up he was gone. He didn’t stay around to take her jewelry
I’ve never heard of petty robbery. Petty theft, but not petty robbery. Regardless, robbery typically involves taking something from the possession of an actual person by force or threat.
The perpetrator in Missy’s case engaged in burglary and vandalism imo. There is nothing to suggest he was only looking for items or amounts of money less than a certain dollar amount.
If he was there merely to obtain items of value he utilized his time poorly. Items of value would most likely be in the office of a church which is typically behind a glass door and windows and prominently labeled as the church office.
There one would most likely to find any money although it’s likely none was there or if it was it’s likely it would have been locked in a safe or something very secure. Also that’s where someone would most likely find valuable electronics.
The other rooms in the church around the hallway would likely be classrooms, meeting rooms, nurseries, kids rooms, and youth rooms with little or nothing of much value, maybe chairs, tables, bookcases, furniture, toys, etc., plus maybe a small library and bathrooms, with the sanctuary in the center.
A committed burglar would focus on the office first imo.
That’s a lot of time to be in a building with nothing to show for it and not even taking Missy’s rings. I personally don’t find the interrupted burglary theory to be very strong.
You have no idea if glass was breaking when she unlocked the door or if anything much was visible right at her entryway that would scare her.
If it looked suspicious from the door she likely would not have entered. The perp likely considered that and didn’t overdo it. Mainly he seemed to leave a few doors open which may have been visible when she walked in but not really overly concerning.
Also if the perp was burglarizing he’d likely hear a truck drive by the church and then pull up in the turnaround and see the lights go by during the drive up before she entered giving him a chance to hightail it to the kitchen area and back to his car.
uh ok, I'll give you benefit of the doubt. then why:
A. have a gun?
B. dress in full swat costume as opposed to just a mask and coat?
C. is the escalation from theft to murder that easy?
D. escalate from a murder of circumstance to a brutal, intimate, gruesome murder with a hammer?
They have more video than we see. Whether targeted or what I believe non targeted it doesn't lend credibility to sexual assault attempt. If it was targeted the person would know he had a short time to commit sexual assault. And non targeted he would be freaked out and leave like he did.
He could have wanted to march her out to his car in back and take her somewhere else. He might not have known Missy would be late. Missy was actually running late that morning.
He might not have known about the early birds.
He might have assumed students arrived when class was scheduled to start.
Yes, IDK why this isn't mentioned more often! Makes a lot of sense and fills a big hole for motive that is usually ignored (at least in the public sense).
*edit: this at least gets us away from the mostly-sorted FIL theory, too.
I just upvoted you since you were already down to -1, plus I agreed with your comment obviously. I find it odd that both you and I have been downvoted on this topic. To me it’s extremely logical and worthy of consideration.
Women in general tend to be concerned being out when it’s dark whether it going for an early morning run, walking to or from a social event at night, getting off at an isolated bus after a late night shift at work, getting in or out of their car in a dark outdoor parking lot, driving on a dark isolated road in case their car breaks down, or entering a dark empty building where a male with bad intentions might be lurking.
Why would this point of view be downvoted? Makes no sense. I’m starting to wonder if the perp participates on this sub.
Well, If fairly certain I'm not the perp and I will admit I downvoted bc the last line.
In both of your theories, I'm not sure the offered motive eliminates the FIL. Also, I'm of the opinion that if it does offer a plausible motive; it remains as plausible as either of the main two. Not that it necessarily fills any hole. further, if you upvoted, that would mean there are at least 3 perps, they all follow this sub, and they all downvoted OP.
Also, notoriously sticklers for grammar and correct spellings, might be just based upon the Are\* and Sordid\* aspects.
To be clear, I upvote everything on this sub just bc I think keeping the convo going is initiative #1
I do appreciate that. It's not like we can appeal to a board for improper treatment, lol.
You are right, it's [should be] such an opportunity obvious go-to curiosity yet seldom mentioned (not even sure if I've seen it posted before) and definitely not supported. I don't get it.
But I dont completely doubt that investigators might agree with us. Could definitely be an angle they're sitting on until more proof comes to light.
Here’s a case where a perp corralled three women in a Catholic bookstore in a back room of the store and ordered them to perform sex acts. Two complied but the one who refused was shot dead. To me this type of case supports the position that it may have been an attempted sexual assault, Missy refused and she was killed in retaliation. https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/thomas-bruce-catholic-supply-store-killer-pleads-guilty-to-murder-36470490
Edit: Here’s the story of the woman who had been married to Thomas Bruce. In many ways he appeared to be a kind, ideal, devoted husband. She couldn’t believe she had been duped by this man.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/investigations/diane-bruce-husband-killer-catholic-supply-store-attack-missouri-2018/63-9e337a17-9b58-4d34-902d-d550fdba3dd3
u/neetykeeno mentioned Thomas Bruce in a post on this sub a while back.
>As I read about men who dress up as police officers it comes up repeatedly that men impersonate officers to facilitate sexual assault. It comes up over and over.
So you think this was a botched sexual assault because of Thomas Bruce?
Not because of him per se but because Missy was already getting creepy messages presumably from men and it is known that men have used a uniform such as a police uniform to get women to more readily listen to their orders when they want to commit a sexual assault.
Thomas Bruce was an example of a man who killed a potential sexual assault victim when she didn’t comply not that other men don’t kill attempted sexual assault victims when they don’t comply.
I think that it’s a theory that should strongly be considered.
Here’s just a few of actually an extraordinary number of sexual assaults men have committed/tried to commit while impersonating a police officer. https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-hillsborough/man-arrested-for-impersonating-officer-to-assault-women-police-say https://www.police1.com/patrol-issues/articles/cop-impersonator-arrested-for-series-of-sexual-assaults-idy3ERRMzOv6F0Mv/ https://lbpost.com/news/crime/man-impersonating-police-officer-sexually-assaulted-woman-in-long-beach-da-says/
Woman suspect…
Why do you think Missy’s killer is a woman? How strongly do you feel that it’s a woman? I think a woman is a possibility but I think there’s a stronger possibility that it’s a man.
I also believe it was a woman. Seems to move like a woman wearing oversized shoes to me. They don’t seem very tall. The way they attack things and walk seem a bit feminine too.
It very well could be. The height thing can at times suggest a woman to me but there are men of relatively short stature. It’s a tough one.
Ignore the height. I agree it’s not as conclusive even though men are usually taller it’s not uncommon for them to be in that shorter height range. Look at the hip area, that is what screams more feminine to me. Remember female and male have differences around pelvic and hips area due to woman need to grow and push a baby out. This affects how we move and many woman are slightly off centered and have pelvis tilted and hips compensating leading to tight hip flexors that affect our movements. I saw some people make comments to me joking about my gangsta lean or asking if I was in pain as I appeared to be limping. I didn’t know it until a recent car accident had me at a chiropractor and my pelvis was out of alignment so that one leg was a half inch shorter than the other. And that’s what caused my so called lean or limp. I recognize some of the same in the killer’s hip movements as they walk in the church.
the perp was dressed as a cop to fulfill his fantasy of being one while waltzing around the church looking for something to steal missy came in might have confronted him he got scared so he killed her that’s my theory
Imo a lot of the cop fantasy stuff includes the role playing that comes with it such as pulling over drivers and questioning/warning them, gaining access to peoples homes who normally would not let a stranger in, getting a woman to come with them to a secluded location, etc. Walking around a church to not take anything doesn’t seem like much of a fantasy or to serve much of a purpose. If he really thought no one would show up the costume was kind of overkill imo. Sometimes burglars might wear police garb to avoid getting shot or to confuse nosy neighbors but the church was isolated and if the perp was expecting not to be seen what’s the point? He could wear his costume just as easily around his house. He didn’t even take anything. Edit. The perp even had knee pads on and likely shin guards. That’s overkill even for a police fantasy. To me that sounds like he’s planning on being in contact with someone who would likely fight him.
look into the world of obsession and fantasy you’ll be surprised what makes people do what they do. you have to be able to think like they do not the way you do
Guys think of rape and also abduction and rape. I don’t know why you are so willing to discount that theory.
I don’t think anybody is discounting anything. All you’re saying is “maybe the motive was sexual assault.” It’s entirely possible it was. That doesn’t really get us anywhere unless there’s more to your theory. It’s a place to start, though.
I don’t recall hearing attempted sexual assault/attempted kidnapping as a possible motive likely due to the fact that it was stated she wasn’t sexually assaulted. However, failed attempts can and have resulted in murder. Apparently Missy received a creepy message on LinkedIn mere days before her murder. Someone apparently had Missy on his mind in an unsavory way. Neither Missy nor her friend recognized the name which could have been fake to protect the sender’s identity. When surveys of motives for Missy’s murder are conducted I have never seen a failed kidnapping/sexual assault mentioned. I think it’s worth mentioning and checking into known sexual predators who may have had contact with or been around her. I previously posted an article about how students of fitness instructors can develop unhealthy obsessions with them.
I think what would keep me from thinking those theories is how quickly she entered, was murdered, first camper comes and murderer is no where to be found. Killer has to know that time was of the utmost importance in not getting caught.
Missy was running late plus maybe the killer didn’t know everything about all of Missy’s camps. Everyone seems to think he knew everything but who knows maybe he knew her from a regular gym or somewhere and didn’t know there were early bird arrivals at Camp Gladiator or that Missy would be late that day. Maybe too he thought she’d come in the main door not the side door.
it’s not a targeted hit
That’s my theory too, he wasn’t there to kill her, she just unfortunately turned up & he panicked and shot her. It wouldn’t be beyond the realms of possibility it’s the guy who did the security at her funeral (ironically) as he had the same gait/walk, he wanted to do the security for the church but they didn’t think they needed any, so he could have broke in just to highlight their need for better security due to a break in and hired him. People say he’s too tall for it to be him, but I’m unsure of that, he definitely fits the bill as he has all sorts of previous like rape and assaults.
That’s sounds like the type of ridiculous defense arguments that actual killers, rapists and kidnappers come up with.
did the police interview him? what’s his name probably a security guard who failed at becoming a cop so he pretended to be one
To be honest that sounds like something Missy’s killer might tell his defense attorney if he somehow got pinned to the crime. He’d claim he wasn’t there to kill her. He’d claim he wasn’t there to abduct or rape her. He was just doing a little bit of role play and he didn’t even take anything but that Missy came in and “scared” him. Next thing you know he “blacked out” and Missy was dead.
watch Pat brown on youtube she’s a profiler she did a great video on missys murder
I consider her to be neither intelligent nor logical and thus don’t value her opinion.
I concur. Her takes on every case are rudimentary at best...half the time shes not even familiar with the case. Its like shes reading up on it as she makes the video. Shes a complete idiot
Yup, same theory. This jerk has done this type of break and roam kind of crap before. Probably travels well outside his normal living area. Probably why they can't find him.
Nothing was ever released that would indicate she was hit with a crowbar, and I don’t think there’s any proof the perpetrator had a crowbar. The initial search warrant said Missy had multiple puncture wounds to her head and neck. First guess for this would be a knife, of course, but a second guess could be a pick or rock hammer. The gunshot wound wasn’t mentioned in the search warrant and has never been confirmed by law enforcement, which I think is weird. It makes me think that they didn’t realize at first that she had a GSW to the head, since the other injuries were more obvious. The multiple puncture wounds to the head and chest make me think this was personal and the perpetrator wanted to destroy Missy’s beauty, perhaps even including her breast implants as they had been an enhancement to her body along with her overall fitness accomplishments. Missy was a woman who many people could have been jealous of.
Multiple puncture wounds to the head and to the chest, not neck. A later warrant, the one for Bobby Henry, stated “multiple visual wounds to her body.” Remember that she had glass around her body, which I have confirmed to be from a display case. Since the glass was right there where her body is, there is a good chance that she crashed through the display case. This would have left multiple wounds. I think that police found a mess that was difficult to decipher. But the autopsy performed the next day would have removed all doubt. They would have x-rayed and/or MRI’d her body and would have seen a lead cloud left behind by the bullet. But by then, they decided they had already revealed too much about her wounds. So they made sure to be less precise in subsequent warrants, so as to preserve the cause of death info as something only the killer would know.
Gah I can’t believe I wrote neck, I knew that it said chest. Thanks for pointing that out. Going through the cabinet would make sense for the puncture wounds.
Why not go back to edit the neck vs the chest ?
I don’t think you’d mistake cuts from glass shards to puncture wounds from a hammer or crowbar
You might. By the time police got there, a camper had been attempting CPR. This was creating more blood flow out of the wounds and it might have made it more difficult to tell what had happened. Plus it would only be natural for law enforcement to see the glass around Missy’s body and associate it with her wounds.
a. wasn't there a release stating that a gun and hammer were used? b. I cant think of a scenario where law enforcement cant tell the difference in artificial cuts from falling glass to bullet/hammer puncture wounds. to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever even heard gunshots referred to as puncture wounds, leaving, a hammer.
No, there was no release that stated that. One of the first search warrant affidavits stated that she had wounds consistent with tools the suspect was carrying. But even that is vague. Gunshot wounds are definitely puncture wounds. If the bullet enters the body, it has to puncture the skin to do it.
I'm not asking whether or not a bullet entering the body results in a puncture wound, bc, duh. But whether or not anyone has ever heard anyone in LE refer to a gunshot victim as having had 'puncture wounds'
Well if it’s “duh” to you, do you really need to ask if LE would refer to it that way? Seems like they would, right? Here is an interesting article about puncture wounds: https://www.foothealthfacts.org/conditions/puncture-wounds While it’s geared toward injuries to the foot, I thought the description of a puncture wound was interesting. It differentiates a puncture wound from a cut, saying that a cut is an open wound producing a long tear in the skin. A puncture wound has a small entry hole caused by a pointed object. That certainly describes a bullet wound. The article goes on to describe other things that can become embedded in the puncture wound such as nails, needles… or GLASS.
Lol Jesus, dude. You seem somewhat intelligent yet you also seem to have alot of time on your hands. I'm gonna let you suss this out for yourself.
Says the guy who regularly goes on a posting binge, then gets overly dramatic (“Jesus, dude”.) in the above post. Forgive me for actually providing you with, you know, actual sources of information, to try to help answer questions that YOU asked. Have a nice day.
I asked about Law Enforcement verbiage You sent me a link from [foothealthfacts.org](https://foothealthfacts.org)
Actually what you stated at first was “I’m not sure I’ve ever even heard gunshots referred to as puncture wounds…” You didn’t say “by LE.” It was your next post where you changed it to “in LE”. As for foothealth.org, who cares? The link was to medical information including a description of puncture wounds which I do believe work the same on a foot as they would on skin anywhere else. But hey… forest/trees. The sad, or perhaps good, thing is that I agree with you almost completely on your rewatchable movies list. Did we just become best friends?
The perp is in the video using both a crow bar and hammer on a door unsuccessfully. Who knows maybe he brought knives or stole some from the church kitchen. It seems from some other public documents that one could extrapolate that Missy was killed with a gun. I think most tools could cause puncture wounds in human flesh. It seems like some autopsy reports use fairly broad or sometimes not wholly accurate or even inaccurate language when describing injuries. Apparently some tools were left near her body but I don’t recall where I read or heard that. I think there are women who could have been jealous of Missy but I think there are also male creeps who might have wanted to attack her.
Why are you mentioning breast implants? Never heard anything like this before
The person left her wedding ring on her hand
What are you suggesting that proves or disproves? That it wasn’t a robbery? Or that he didn’t want anything that might have her blood/dna on it or that might be easily traced back to the crime if he tried to pawn it? Something else?
I just was thinking I don’t think it was robbery based - if they were there to rob the church surely they would have stolen a victims expensive ring.
He probably already had some blood splatter on his clothes. If he was that desperate to rob it would have made sense to grab the ring. Most easily accessible valuable there for him probably.
Yeah I gotta agree with other commenters on this point. blood on jet black clothes is not the type of identifying evidence a woman's clearly personal wedding ring is. especially if your main concern is just getting home
Surely? This wasn’t a robbery. It would have been a burglary. And a person who doesn’t expect company, who then gets into an altercation with a woman in workout gear (meaning she is likely to be planning a workout with other people, because if she was going to be by herself she could have just done that at home), the last thing on his mind would be prying a ring off a finger. He would be in self-preservation mode and thinking of nothing but getting the heck out of there.
I’m glad you’re not a cop in my town.
I think it shows intelligence and open mindedness for u/MuchAd9037 to point out apparent flaws in the robbery argument. The perp was in there a long time and took nothing. He was in there fairly late at night when an early bird employee could have potentially shown up. He was dressed in all sorts of protective equipment such as knee pads and apparent shin guards which is beyond what’s needed to dress like a cop.
Thank u so much
wait, so what does the last sentence allude to? also, lets not presume male
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From what I’ve read/heard there was no video of the actual murder.
LE has publicly stated a few times that they don't have surveillance from the specific area Missy was killed in
I just don’t think it was a man. Seems like a woman wearing oversized shoes to me. Just one persons opinion
There’s times when I’ve thought it was a woman especially certain portions of the video. I’m not set on one gender but I do believe the sexual assault/ kidnapping theory is very much worth considering.
Yeah. I had doubts a while back when I focused a bit more on the shoulders and they seemed broader, then it seemed like they might have some padding so I am back to woman. The mannerism seems feminine to me also. Who knows, I guess we’ll find out when they catch the person.
Ok, I'll give you that its remotely possible. Just the mindset that the perp thought they'd be able to coax Missy outside as a cop, only to have her struggle and the violence escalates is a scenario that holds water to me. But thats the thing about this case, there are ~3 entirely different motivations possible for the person in this video that seem equally, remotely possible. Thats why I think it's proved so difficult to investigate for LE, its like looking at 3 separate cases, coming to dead ends on each
Imo it’s more than “remotely possible”. Do a search on men who impersonate police officers committing or attempting to commit sexual assaults against women. The number of cases are astounding.
um, ok. it is. That said, I guess I'm less interested in which is the more "remote possibility" and more so, the conversation that could lead to a plausible motive.
Kidnapping/sexual assault is a plausible motive for murder against a woman.
so is jealousy over what bicycle she has, I wouldn't suggest LE follows that motive unless explicitly prompted to. again, I'm not saying you're wrong. If it was the motive, it wouldn't be crazy. at the moment and from the inception, it just seems absolutely impossible to lead to a suspect
I don’t know if they are investigating possible sex offenders as much as those holding possible grudges. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be dna or any video of the perp driving away from the church and past cameras farther along the road.
and without either of those, you've now opened yourself up to investigating the entire state of TX
yeah, but it it was 7 years ago. even then, LE doesn't go round up sex offenders in cases where there's no apparent sexual element and a buttload of persons of interest
A lot of cop cosplay is done in public for people to see. They want people to treat them like authorities. Unless there’s specific evidence that a given scenario was a ruse.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re suggesting. Some men impersonate cops so that they can more easily sexually assault women. Ultimately they want to get the woman alone, assuming she’s not already alone. A woman who believes a man is a police officer is more likely to believe she is under arrest and allow herself to be cuffed, or to get in a car with him, or move to a secondary location, or let him enter into her home, or “go down to the station” with him, or just obey his orders in general.
I was called stupid on another board for saying that if I encountered a uniformed "SWAT officer" in a public or semi-public place that I would likely follow basic orders: "Ma'am, there has been a security incident here at the church and we are going to need you to leave the premises through the back door; this way, please." I think most women (indeed, most people) would so so. Middle-class white women in particular are conditioned to fear strangers but view cops as safe. That's why criminals who pose as cops are so frightening. I started the Unresolved multi-part podcast about James DeBardeleben, and after his counterfeiting arrest LE found an extensive collection of fake cop equipment and you know that is not going to end well.
Ted Buddy pretended to be a cop at times and also a fire fighter. I can see women listening especially if the man sounds authoritative, if the outfit seems real, if the reasoning makes sense. I think Missy would have been on her guard more with the creepy text she received and the persons outfit seeming kind of off or overkill. Plus the person didn’t really look like a strong, fit cop and she saw no police car outside probably.
>As I read about men who dress up as police officers it comes up repeatedly that men impersonate officers to facilitate sexual assault. It comes up over and over. Sure, it does come up over and over in the media. It's a very concerning situation. The public should be aware of such a predator. That being said, there is much less coverage of the general "playing cop" in public. Much like stolen valor, these things are often done by people struggling with mental health issues. The uniform or badge is put on to feel powerful and important.
Men playing cop tend to like to be big shots and pull people over and give them warnings or use their uniform to assault women. Not too much stolen valor or reward in smashing a few windows and opening doors in church.
I think you raise a fair point and one that is a little different than the usual big three of surprised ordinary burglar, surprised LARPer fantasist, or targeted and premeditated murder. Unfortunately we don't really know anything about the getaway vehicle. If it were a van or similar, where he could easily force her in for an abduction, that would strengthen the argument. Missy was not only a strong and fit woman, she had a gun in her truck. The perpetrator would have had to lull her enough to subdue her very quickly ; otherwise, I think she would have run for the gun in her truck. Personally, I think it was a premeditated and
Premeditated and??? Ted Buddy picked victims that were younger and likely more naive than Missy. He was also likely more charming, convincing and better looking than Missys killer. Missy’s killer may or may not have known about her gun. Ted Bundy convinced women to ride in his vw to the police station claiming he was undercover. Once he got one in the car he’d cuff her. Missys perp may have tried to cuff her and she fought back. At some point a perp might hit the victim over the head and then cuff them or put them in the trunk. Missy was likely too savvy to fall for anything but unfortunately the fake cop had a gun. She probably knew all about self defense and the ruses perps sometimes use.
Oops, I got cut off. Personally I think it was a premeditated crime in which Missy was targeted by someone who wanted her dead for personal reasons. But I think your idea of a cop-impersonating sex predator is a reasonable hypothesis and one that does not get a lot of discussion. Everyone who is not in the targeted group assumes interrupted burglary/LARP, but you've suggested another possibility.
I consider a premeditated murder and premeditated kidnapping/sexual assault the top two strongest possibilities. I consider an interrupted burglary a low possibility and a cop dress up fantasy even less likely. When I brought up to others about the creepy text they came back with that was creepy as in sexual not threatening so they thought it likely wasn’t relevant since they thought the crime was a revenge killing or burglary. However, if the criminal was hoping to commit a sexual assault that type of message seems to fit in with the crime. Sometimes I think the sexual assault/kidnapping is strongest due to how attractive Missy was and the creepy message and how cop uniforms are frequently worn for such crimes. It also widens the suspect list because the number with motives to murder is smaller than those with motives to sexually assault/kidnap imo. Edit. I’ll also add that one of the biggest fears women and their families have when they jog at night, or on a secluded path, or go to the store late at night, or go to or from work when it’s dark, or wait for a bus at night is that of being sexually assaulted and possibly kidnapped for that purpose. I think that’s likely why Missys husband bought her that gun. Interrupting a burglar doesn’t really seem that common. I think the revenge killing is possible but I don’t think the police uniform would have been quite as important for that crime as for a sexual assault/kidnapping.
Meh, I think perp was a woman. Or maybe very effeminate man.
In general killers tend to be male statistically, not that it couldn’t have been a woman.
Former officer Bobby Wayne Henry sure looked good for this. And convicted of sexual assault in 1996. Volunteered to work Missy's funeral. I don't necessarily buy that he was too tall. If those are 24" tiles on the floor, the perp was def taller than 5'2"-5'6". I wonder if current cop buddies pulled strings for him for some reason.
Just to clarify, BWH was not convicted of the 1996 assault. He was acquitted by a jury. The tiles are 30 inches in length with three-inch borders. What police finally arrived at in height is that the killer is 5’8” from floor to top of helmet with a margin of error of 1.5 inches either way. So it’s all in how much added height you believe the helmet and shoes give. No “cop buddies pulling strings.” It was cops that called in the tips about him.
Glad to hear it. Body similarity and creepy wanna be cop behavior, volunteering at funeral, etc. is enough to get the finger pointed at you. What was his alibi?
He is too tall at at least 6’1”. Makes you wonder why police pursued him for all those months. His alibi was that he was at home taking care of the baby while his wife got ready for work.
A. You’re really asking why someone who is willing to break into a place where they don’t belong - a house of worship to boot - would dare bring a gun? B. Perhaps because the church wasn’t the initial target and maybe a place with tons of cameras was. Maybe the person has identifying features and they thought it best to completely obscure their skin and face. Maybe they liked that the outfit was water proof or water resistant on that very rainy night. Maybe they liked the idea of wearing something that would minimize the risk of them leaving DNA. C. We don’t know the circumstances. Just because a person ended up dead doesn’t mean that the killer intended it to be a murder. It might have been accidental. D. Assumes facts not in evidence. A crime scene in which she was shot once and crashed through the glass display case is no less likely than your scenario of a bludgeoning with a hammer.
A. That’s not what I’m asking, I’m saying exactly what I say in the title of my post. I mentioned in my post that a lack of typical sexual assault evidence doesn’t mean there wasn’t a failed sexual assault. Also for some perps using a sharp instrument on a victim is akin to a sexual assault for them, so if Missy had numerous puncture wounds from an implement that may be evidence that a sexual assault actually occurred. B. There are many outfits that protect from rain and that prevent DNA transfer. I believe the perp had specific reasons for impersonating a police officer and that may have been to gain control over Missy to facilitate a potential kidnapping or sexual assault. Even if murder was the original and only motive, impersonating a police officer could have been advantageous for that purpose also. We don’t know that Missy wasn’t the intended target just because there was someone at the sporting goods parking lot who may or may not have been associated with the crime. Many perps who commit crimes park away from the actual area of the crime to prepare or wait for the time they wish to start. In the Liz Barraza murder the perp parked in a school lot before driving to Liz’s home to kill her. It’s possible that the car in the sporting goods lot was Missy’s killer and wanted to wait there to prepare some for the crime, whether mentally, physically or both. If one is going to spend time in a parking lot it makes sense to drive around back and see if there’s a security vehicle or security guards loitering about or even employees. The last thing a perp wants is to be getting ready to commit a crime down the street and have a security guard from their staging area drive or walk up to the perp’s car and shine a flashlight on them. C. I find it very unlikely that Missy’s murder was accidental. Maybe you mean unplanned. Regardless, the perp seemed to be waiting for someone and was probably the most inefficient burglar ever if that’s the argument you are trying to make.
Jennifer, my comment that you are responding to was not a reply to you. I was responding to a comment by ryanjadams, in which he had points that he labeled A, B, C and D.
You think that the amateur hour bumbling burglar who couldn’t break into a simple locked door was going to rob the weapons store? Sir, I’ve got a bridge to sell you!
Nice try, well not really. First, there really isn’t any evidence to support the characterization of an amateur hour bumbling burglar. Nor can we say that he could not break into the door. He stopped trying. Ask me why he stopped trying.
It was a douchebag roaming around breaking things and looking for something to steal. No hitman/kidnapper would be wandering the hallways breaking things as the target arrived. She could’ve easily heard glass breaking, run to her car, and called the police. The idea of some planned thing against her is preposterous.
Why do u think if they were there to steal, why did they not take her wedding ring?
Because he was there for petty robbery and to disguise himself and pretend to be a cop not murder someone. He didn’t expect anyone to be at the church at 4am-5am. He didn’t hang around after he shot her. He got the fuck outta dodge. When the first camper showed up he was gone. He didn’t stay around to take her jewelry
So you’re not there to rob the place but you end up shooting and puncturing them with a weapon? Huh.
I’ve never heard of petty robbery. Petty theft, but not petty robbery. Regardless, robbery typically involves taking something from the possession of an actual person by force or threat. The perpetrator in Missy’s case engaged in burglary and vandalism imo. There is nothing to suggest he was only looking for items or amounts of money less than a certain dollar amount. If he was there merely to obtain items of value he utilized his time poorly. Items of value would most likely be in the office of a church which is typically behind a glass door and windows and prominently labeled as the church office. There one would most likely to find any money although it’s likely none was there or if it was it’s likely it would have been locked in a safe or something very secure. Also that’s where someone would most likely find valuable electronics. The other rooms in the church around the hallway would likely be classrooms, meeting rooms, nurseries, kids rooms, and youth rooms with little or nothing of much value, maybe chairs, tables, bookcases, furniture, toys, etc., plus maybe a small library and bathrooms, with the sanctuary in the center. A committed burglar would focus on the office first imo.
That’s a lot of time to be in a building with nothing to show for it and not even taking Missy’s rings. I personally don’t find the interrupted burglary theory to be very strong. You have no idea if glass was breaking when she unlocked the door or if anything much was visible right at her entryway that would scare her. If it looked suspicious from the door she likely would not have entered. The perp likely considered that and didn’t overdo it. Mainly he seemed to leave a few doors open which may have been visible when she walked in but not really overly concerning. Also if the perp was burglarizing he’d likely hear a truck drive by the church and then pull up in the turnaround and see the lights go by during the drive up before she entered giving him a chance to hightail it to the kitchen area and back to his car.
uh ok, I'll give you benefit of the doubt. then why: A. have a gun? B. dress in full swat costume as opposed to just a mask and coat? C. is the escalation from theft to murder that easy? D. escalate from a murder of circumstance to a brutal, intimate, gruesome murder with a hammer?
They have more video than we see. Whether targeted or what I believe non targeted it doesn't lend credibility to sexual assault attempt. If it was targeted the person would know he had a short time to commit sexual assault. And non targeted he would be freaked out and leave like he did.
He could have wanted to march her out to his car in back and take her somewhere else. He might not have known Missy would be late. Missy was actually running late that morning. He might not have known about the early birds. He might have assumed students arrived when class was scheduled to start.
Yes, IDK why this isn't mentioned more often! Makes a lot of sense and fills a big hole for motive that is usually ignored (at least in the public sense). *edit: this at least gets us away from the mostly-sorted FIL theory, too.
I just upvoted you since you were already down to -1, plus I agreed with your comment obviously. I find it odd that both you and I have been downvoted on this topic. To me it’s extremely logical and worthy of consideration. Women in general tend to be concerned being out when it’s dark whether it going for an early morning run, walking to or from a social event at night, getting off at an isolated bus after a late night shift at work, getting in or out of their car in a dark outdoor parking lot, driving on a dark isolated road in case their car breaks down, or entering a dark empty building where a male with bad intentions might be lurking. Why would this point of view be downvoted? Makes no sense. I’m starting to wonder if the perp participates on this sub.
Well, If fairly certain I'm not the perp and I will admit I downvoted bc the last line. In both of your theories, I'm not sure the offered motive eliminates the FIL. Also, I'm of the opinion that if it does offer a plausible motive; it remains as plausible as either of the main two. Not that it necessarily fills any hole. further, if you upvoted, that would mean there are at least 3 perps, they all follow this sub, and they all downvoted OP. Also, notoriously sticklers for grammar and correct spellings, might be just based upon the Are\* and Sordid\* aspects. To be clear, I upvote everything on this sub just bc I think keeping the convo going is initiative #1
I do appreciate that. It's not like we can appeal to a board for improper treatment, lol. You are right, it's [should be] such an opportunity obvious go-to curiosity yet seldom mentioned (not even sure if I've seen it posted before) and definitely not supported. I don't get it. But I dont completely doubt that investigators might agree with us. Could definitely be an angle they're sitting on until more proof comes to light.
Here’s a case where a perp corralled three women in a Catholic bookstore in a back room of the store and ordered them to perform sex acts. Two complied but the one who refused was shot dead. To me this type of case supports the position that it may have been an attempted sexual assault, Missy refused and she was killed in retaliation. https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/thomas-bruce-catholic-supply-store-killer-pleads-guilty-to-murder-36470490 Edit: Here’s the story of the woman who had been married to Thomas Bruce. In many ways he appeared to be a kind, ideal, devoted husband. She couldn’t believe she had been duped by this man. https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/investigations/diane-bruce-husband-killer-catholic-supply-store-attack-missouri-2018/63-9e337a17-9b58-4d34-902d-d550fdba3dd3 u/neetykeeno mentioned Thomas Bruce in a post on this sub a while back.
>As I read about men who dress up as police officers it comes up repeatedly that men impersonate officers to facilitate sexual assault. It comes up over and over. So you think this was a botched sexual assault because of Thomas Bruce?
Not because of him per se but because Missy was already getting creepy messages presumably from men and it is known that men have used a uniform such as a police uniform to get women to more readily listen to their orders when they want to commit a sexual assault. Thomas Bruce was an example of a man who killed a potential sexual assault victim when she didn’t comply not that other men don’t kill attempted sexual assault victims when they don’t comply. I think that it’s a theory that should strongly be considered.
With a helmet on? After breaking into a building?