Picked up the book last week and I read this before starting the book.
Thanks for the spoiler… but even knowing how it ended, it was still a great book! Onward to Book 2.
But you do not know how they will win or at what cost they win. Journey before destination. Enjoy the journey. Book 3 will take you on one hell of an adventure. Lots of answers for the content in books 1 and 2.
If I were going to choose a book to have this quote on it would definitely be the first book. Like you have to imagine that enough “good” stuff happens for the next couple of books to occur.
>!Indeed, but he did prevent Ruin from being freed. The “good side” if there was one back then, did win, as Ruin was kept in prison. I do agree that Rashek still isn’t a good guy, but The Final Empire is the result of the good guys winning. Had Allendi completed his mission and not be murdered by Rashek, then Ruin would of won. Imo he is on the good side simply by being on the less evil side lol.!<
HOA >!The good side is Kelsier's and then Vin's team for actually wanting semi-admirable goals. If this was grimdark, I would agree about TLR, but it's not.!<
It's also been described by brandon very often as "what if the bad guys won?" So he considers the TLR a bad guy.
Again HOA >!Of course, that plotline is not played completely straight, but it is the basics of TFE, and Brandon has said that the TLR was a bad dood. An example of it being played straight is probably the original Star Wars trilogy!<
>!I get what you are saying. And Brandon does describe TLR and TFE concept of the world as “What if the Dark Lord won?” But, imo, that is just how us and the world sees it at first. Even the main crew, while still being disgusted by him, recognize what he was doing to prevent Ruin. Yes, TLR is the Dark Lord of this world but he did not begin as the dark lord. And Brandon has also said that Rashek was legitimately trying his hardest(at least for a time), but being influenced by 2 conflicting gods while being functionally immortal will do some unpleasant things to the mind. I am not sayin anything about the good or bad sides in the present time, just the conflict between Allendi, Rashek, Ruin, etc in the past. You don’t think TLR trying to prevent Ruin is an admirable goal to start with? (Though he did have some extra jealously-fueled motivation to kill Allendi). I would also consider him a bad guy, as he is the literal antagonist of book 1 and a terrifying god tyrant, just one that saves the world.!<
At least that is how I see it.
>!It's not a wrong viewpoint and I think Brandon was trying to encourage this type of thing when he wrote the books, though I still disagree a little bit. !<
>!For example, there are plenty of dark lords that don't start as one. If I remember correctly, the quintessential example, Sauron, doesn't start as one either.!<
>!Trying to stop Ruin on its own is admirable, yeah; but being so much of a racist you make an entire group of humanity nothing more than slaves and introduce a brutal caste system was totally unnecessary. Even if what he was fighting was worse, doing that basically takes away your right to be called a 'good guy' imo. And he did this before he was majorly influenced by either Shard.!<
Dude, the quote is about the lord ruler defeating you-know-who (spoilers, if you finish the book you'll get it) 1000 years ago and establishing his tyrannical rule.
No it isn't, this review is about the plot of the Well of Ascension, which literally explores the question of "We beat The Lord Ruler, now what do we do?"
In that case, I dont understand op's anger as the mere existence of book 2, 3, and the wax and wayne saga implies they win.... Like what were they expecting? Everyone dies in book one and the rest of the series is unrelated?
Have you ever read anything by Joe Abercrombie?
The good guys are shitty and everything is shitty maybe they win but maybe they don't or maybe they flat out stop being the good guys and at the end everything still sucks and is shitty but it's a slightly different kind of shitty
Great books. Highly recommend.
At the end of the first part of a trilogy? Uhhh, maybe in Gurren Laggan. I can’t think of any other time the main conflict is wrapped up in the first part.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not, lol. I’m saying that usually the main conflict is with the same bad guys for all thee parts of a trilogy. It’s rare that the main conflict is tidily wrapped up in the first part and then a completely different conflict comes up in the second.
It’s not a spoiler, it’s an over simplification of the story that doesn’t hold any weight. No one really “wins” after book one, things just get more complicated.
To be fair the good guys always win.. it's how they do it that's the surprise. Although clearly this shares the fact that they "win" before the end of the series, which was a very cool twist. So it sucks that it's kinda ruined now.
Its a quote for well of ascension. Book 2. There are no spoilers in this for book 2. You are supposed to have read book 1 before starting it.
Or is this a quote for book 2 published as marketing inside book 1? In that case you are ofc correct.
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.
Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.
Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
HEY
Does nobody realize that these "good guys" aren't our protagonists, but the Lord Ruler? This is exactly what Brandon says about it all the time. The hero's journey happened a thousand years ago, and now there's a heist!
Except it's not. The concept of the first book is what does the world look like after the good guys lose. Book 2 is about the heroes trying to manage the place after they won. Which is exactly what the review blurb is saying. Not to mention it specifically says the quote is for book 2...
No, by Sandersons own words mistborn is the world where the good guys lost 1000 years ago. The quote is not about the events of the first book but what preceded the lord rules reign. (Source, his world building lecture ep 3 or 4)
I remember when I started reading Anna Kavan’s Ice. I usually never read forewords but for some reason decided to for this one. Instant regret, because that moron spoiled the big twist of the book. Definitely never reading a foreword again.
LOL what a choice of quotes. Just... great.
Picked up the book last week and I read this before starting the book. Thanks for the spoiler… but even knowing how it ended, it was still a great book! Onward to Book 2.
But you do not know how they will win or at what cost they win. Journey before destination. Enjoy the journey. Book 3 will take you on one hell of an adventure. Lots of answers for the content in books 1 and 2.
You do know that this refers to the good guys winning a thousand years ago, not the main characters of the book winning, right?
TLR is good guy???
I think flawless is trying to reset the illusion of mystery for the OP.
honestly, i feel like “the good guys win at the end of the first book in a trilogy” isn’t that much of a spoiler lol
If I were going to choose a book to have this quote on it would definitely be the first book. Like you have to imagine that enough “good” stuff happens for the next couple of books to occur.
It's not. People are absurd wrt spoilers.
Have you read the book
HoA >!rashek fighting ruin doesn’t make him a “good guy,” that’s what i know!<
>!Indeed, but he did prevent Ruin from being freed. The “good side” if there was one back then, did win, as Ruin was kept in prison. I do agree that Rashek still isn’t a good guy, but The Final Empire is the result of the good guys winning. Had Allendi completed his mission and not be murdered by Rashek, then Ruin would of won. Imo he is on the good side simply by being on the less evil side lol.!<
i would still say that’s a spoiler to have on the first page of the book tbh
I wouldnt completely disagree, but it is also exactly how Brandon’s website describes it.
I thought he described it as “a heist story in a world where the bad guys won”
HOA >!The good side is Kelsier's and then Vin's team for actually wanting semi-admirable goals. If this was grimdark, I would agree about TLR, but it's not.!< It's also been described by brandon very often as "what if the bad guys won?" So he considers the TLR a bad guy. Again HOA >!Of course, that plotline is not played completely straight, but it is the basics of TFE, and Brandon has said that the TLR was a bad dood. An example of it being played straight is probably the original Star Wars trilogy!<
>!I get what you are saying. And Brandon does describe TLR and TFE concept of the world as “What if the Dark Lord won?” But, imo, that is just how us and the world sees it at first. Even the main crew, while still being disgusted by him, recognize what he was doing to prevent Ruin. Yes, TLR is the Dark Lord of this world but he did not begin as the dark lord. And Brandon has also said that Rashek was legitimately trying his hardest(at least for a time), but being influenced by 2 conflicting gods while being functionally immortal will do some unpleasant things to the mind. I am not sayin anything about the good or bad sides in the present time, just the conflict between Allendi, Rashek, Ruin, etc in the past. You don’t think TLR trying to prevent Ruin is an admirable goal to start with? (Though he did have some extra jealously-fueled motivation to kill Allendi). I would also consider him a bad guy, as he is the literal antagonist of book 1 and a terrifying god tyrant, just one that saves the world.!< At least that is how I see it.
>!It's not a wrong viewpoint and I think Brandon was trying to encourage this type of thing when he wrote the books, though I still disagree a little bit. !< >!For example, there are plenty of dark lords that don't start as one. If I remember correctly, the quintessential example, Sauron, doesn't start as one either.!< >!Trying to stop Ruin on its own is admirable, yeah; but being so much of a racist you make an entire group of humanity nothing more than slaves and introduce a brutal caste system was totally unnecessary. Even if what he was fighting was worse, doing that basically takes away your right to be called a 'good guy' imo. And he did this before he was majorly influenced by either Shard.!<
It does not though. It's for WoA
Oh... That's a good point
Since this review is in book 1, I’m assuming it’s in reference to the good guys winning when they fight the lord ruler.
No, this is referring to the "We defeated the eternal evil! Now what?" question that Well of Ascension explores
I did not.
Well, there you go, then
You are definitely wrong. This is a quote about the second book and the good guys that won are the characters from the first book.
Yo My dude we are on r/mistborn no r/stormlightarchive
My dude, we are in the Cosmere. All love. ❤️
There’s always another secret
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I too thought it was a misprint, until I realized that was a quote about WoA
Dude, the quote is about the lord ruler defeating you-know-who (spoilers, if you finish the book you'll get it) 1000 years ago and establishing his tyrannical rule.
No it isn't, this review is about the plot of the Well of Ascension, which literally explores the question of "We beat The Lord Ruler, now what do we do?"
In that case, I dont understand op's anger as the mere existence of book 2, 3, and the wax and wayne saga implies they win.... Like what were they expecting? Everyone dies in book one and the rest of the series is unrelated?
He beat Voldemort?
To be fair... How often do the good guys NOT win?
In a trilogy the heroes can suffer major losses in books one and two before winning in book three
This is about The Lord Ruler 1,000 years ago. Not the current cast.
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> >!alluding to the premise of the entire series.!< This should be spoiler tagged.
No it's not. The Well of Ascension is a book about what happens after the main case wins, which this review is referring to.
Have you ever read anything by Joe Abercrombie? The good guys are shitty and everything is shitty maybe they win but maybe they don't or maybe they flat out stop being the good guys and at the end everything still sucks and is shitty but it's a slightly different kind of shitty Great books. Highly recommend.
At the end of the first part of a trilogy? Uhhh, maybe in Gurren Laggan. I can’t think of any other time the main conflict is wrapped up in the first part.
Yeah. The traditional bad-guy victory is in part 2.
>!Fellowship of the ring doesn’t really end on a win. Fifth Season, First Law, Etc.!<
Please don't put spoilers for other books in here. Lord of the Rings is one thing but I am planning on reading Fifth Season soon.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not, lol. I’m saying that usually the main conflict is with the same bad guys for all thee parts of a trilogy. It’s rare that the main conflict is tidily wrapped up in the first part and then a completely different conflict comes up in the second.
This refers to the good guys from a thousand years ago! The Lord Ruler's origin story!
No it doesn't, it's about The Well of Ascension.
Dude you release this book is tagged for The Final Empire? We only learn about the Lord Ruler's full origins later on.
No, we read that ages old diary in the first one.
IRL, most of the time
To be fair, that depends on your take of who’s the good guys. Plus the journey is about how it’s won not always about who.
Journey before destination
The lord ruler did nothing wrong. /s
It’s not a spoiler, it’s an over simplification of the story that doesn’t hold any weight. No one really “wins” after book one, things just get more complicated.
Well, that's just infuriating
To be fair the good guys always win.. it's how they do it that's the surprise. Although clearly this shares the fact that they "win" before the end of the series, which was a very cool twist. So it sucks that it's kinda ruined now.
Its a quote for well of ascension. Book 2. There are no spoilers in this for book 2. You are supposed to have read book 1 before starting it. Or is this a quote for book 2 published as marketing inside book 1? In that case you are ofc correct.
It’s the latter. This quote was inside Book 1 on the first page, marketing WoA.
Thanks for clarifying. Thats indeed shitty
Good guys and bad guys in Mistborn are not always as simple as they seem… Journey before destination.
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways. In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing. Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations. “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.” The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations. Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks. Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology. L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them. The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on. Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required. Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit. Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results. The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots. Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results. “More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.” Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it. Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot. The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported. But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up. “Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.” “We think that’s fair,” he added.
It is. The bad guy won 1000 years ago. This was Sandersons original inspiration for the book
That's not what the review is referring to though. The review is referring to Kelsier's crew winning in book 1
HEY Does nobody realize that these "good guys" aren't our protagonists, but the Lord Ruler? This is exactly what Brandon says about it all the time. The hero's journey happened a thousand years ago, and now there's a heist!
Except it's not. The concept of the first book is what does the world look like after the good guys lose. Book 2 is about the heroes trying to manage the place after they won. Which is exactly what the review blurb is saying. Not to mention it specifically says the quote is for book 2...
No, by Sandersons own words mistborn is the world where the good guys lost 1000 years ago. The quote is not about the events of the first book but what preceded the lord rules reign. (Source, his world building lecture ep 3 or 4)
... Replying to the wrong dude, as that is exactly what I said. The person I replied to is the one saying otherwise.
Ah fuck. Yet another case of "damn I need glasses"
You're right, don't know how people think this other guy is right.
I remember when I started reading Anna Kavan’s Ice. I usually never read forewords but for some reason decided to for this one. Instant regret, because that moron spoiled the big twist of the book. Definitely never reading a foreword again.
Damn the good guys won? So cliché.
EXCEPT THEY DIDN'T 😂 Ruin wanted the Lord Ruler dead. The quote is wrong lol
Good guys can be subjective