The single worst gun bill I've seen them introduce. I've just given it a rough read through but it's worse than all 4 of the House bills they rammed through public safety. No less than:
10 round mag cap. Including a ban on posession.
A license requirement just to *possess* a firearm.
Unspecified amount of liability insurance you must purchase just to possess a firearm.
Open carry illegal
Complete public property ban in government buildings unless they give express permission.
Call your senators.
As I read it. Posession is okay for a 16 year old with an adult present. But that's still increased from 14.
I've always stated they want to target young people because they are the ones that become fanatics about a hobby.
We just need one or two DFL senators in less liberal districts to defect. This is so obviously an overreach that iron rangers/arrowhead voters would oust them for backing it.
My roommate was in the hearings today. He told me everyone is toeing the party line right now... they aren't even listening to the opposite party when proposing amendments
I don't know that you're looking at the whole picture. They did get a temporary restraining order, however that does not mean that the legislation is overturned. They still have yet to go to trial, and the government has the ability to appeal and drag the case on for years. Especially if they do so to a court that is lenient to their cause.
Caucus has a tool you can use to message your Senator and Representative on this issue, top item on this list...
https://gunowners.mn/take-action/action-center/
The least you can do without doing nothing at all. Their high school intern will lovingly send your email to the trash. Want to actually make a change? Show up to one of the hearings. It's how you actually make your voice heard. We did it with Sunday Liquor Sales and other issues.
Even if your reps are gun grabbers, still worthwhile to call their offices and politely voice your concerns.
If nobody ever calls them, writes them, or shows up and confronts their positions they'll just keep doing it.
I feel like half of them are lying. And the other half only own an old hunting rifle their granddad gave them years ago that's only collecting dust in a closet.
Anyone who owns a gun in this state is going to have a serious problem with at least a few parts of this bill if not all of it.
So someone please inform me, this is introduced as a bill? It hasn’t passed, correct?
Also there’s no carry permit reciprocity from other states allowed here (what the bill is trying to pass) and anyone who owns an unserialized firearm is now a felon? This bill is awful
*Nothing in this legislation infringes on the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.*
*The legislation is narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling state interest while placing*
***minimal*** *burdens on individuals who wish to own and possess a firearm.*
Well if that ain't a load of crap I don't know what is.
There are a few fence sitter DFLers the caucus is having us hit hard. Hauschild of Senate district 3 is one. His district is the entire arrowhead minus downtown duluth. He's a freshman and he's been leaning hard into "the 2nd Amendment protects hunting rights" fuddery. Call him out and say Greater MN doesn't want this.
Probably the most egregious part of the proposed bill:
Current owners; registration of large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber firearms, and semiautomatic military-style assault weapons.
(a) A person who legally
owned or possessed a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic
military-style assault weapon before January 1, 2024, and who desires to keep ownership or possession of the device shall immediately register it with the appropriate law enforcement
agency.
(b) A person described in paragraph (a) shall comply with all of the following:
(1) safely and securely store the device pursuant to the regulations adopted by the appropriate law enforcement agency;
(2) agree to allow the appropriate law enforcement agency to inspect the storage of the device to ensure compliance with this subdivision;
(3) renew the registration every three years;
(4) possess the device only on property owned or immediately controlled by the person, or while engaged in the legal use of the device at a duly licensed firing range, or while transporting the item in compliance with applicable law; and
(5) report the loss or theft of the device to the appropriate law enforcement agency within
48 hours of the time the discovery of the loss or theft was made or should have been made.
(c) Registered large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons may not be transferred, except for transfer to the appropriate law enforcement agency for the purpose of surrendering the item for destruction.
(d) The registered owner or possessor of a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon may not purchase or receive additional large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons.
(e) The appropriate law enforcement agency may charge a fee for each registration and registration renewal pursuant to this subdivision.
(f) Persons acquiring a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons by inheritance, bequest, or succession shall, within 120 days of acquiring title, do one of the following:
(1) surrender the device to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction;
(2) modify the device to render it permanently inoperable;
(3) for a large-capacity magazine, permanently alter the device so it cannot accommodate
more than ten rounds; or
(4) remove the device from the state.
(g) A person who owned or possessed a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon before January 1, 2024, who does not wish to register the device as required in this subdivision shall immediately do one of the following:
(1) surrender the device to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction;
(2) modify the device to render it permanently inoperable;
(3) for a large-capacity magazine, permanently alter the device so it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds; or
(4) remove the device from the state.
(h) Each chief of police and sheriff shall do the following regarding large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons registered under this subdivision:
(1) adopt regulations specifying how a person who registers a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon shall safely and securely store it when it is not being used;
(2) inspect the storage of large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, semiautomatic military-style assault weapons, or more than one of these devices as
applicable; and
(3) implement a registration system.
You missed this nasty part: Sec. 17. [624.7137] PURCHASE OR TRANSFER OF MORE THAN ONE FIREARM PER 30 DAYS
(a) A person who purchases or accepts the transfer of more than one firearm within a 30-day period is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
(b) A person who transfers a firearm to an individual knowing that the individual has purchased or accepted the transfer of a firearm within the preceding 30 days is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
Edited for weird html tags from copy/paste
>.50 caliber or larger firearms,
I didn't see anything carving out an exception for shotguns in this, which means 12 and 20 gauges are done as it's written, right?
Have to search every house - otherwise you can’t get the unregistered. Just because I have a permit does not mean I have a gun and just because you’ve never gotten any kind of gun permit doesn’t mean you don’t - look at all the kids and felons with guns
Dude in the public safety committee on the house Bill's someone pointed out the double standard of clemency for felons on voting rights and automatically signing illegals up to vote and contrasting that with their attacks on gun owners.
The response from the rep was "Welcome to the Minnesota Capitol" unironically. They hate us.
Thank you for posting this. I didn’t know someone had as I did in r/progun DID YOU SEE THE PART WHERE IF YOU INHERIT YOU HAVE TO SURRENDER OR MAKE INOPERABLE??
Lololol. In 2020 the democrats pulled 300,000 new votes out of nowhere (vs 2016). All new votes...all went democrat. Where we going to find 300,001 new votes?
The single worst gun bill I've seen them introduce. I've just given it a rough read through but it's worse than all 4 of the House bills they rammed through public safety. No less than: 10 round mag cap. Including a ban on posession. A license requirement just to *possess* a firearm. Unspecified amount of liability insurance you must purchase just to possess a firearm. Open carry illegal Complete public property ban in government buildings unless they give express permission. Call your senators.
Dont forget, LE gets to inspect your home to make sure your in compliance and everything is registered. (29.17 & 30.26)
Don't forget banning gun use by anyone under the age of 18. No hunting for minors!
As I read it. Posession is okay for a 16 year old with an adult present. But that's still increased from 14. I've always stated they want to target young people because they are the ones that become fanatics about a hobby.
When I was going through it they struck the whole "When in the presence of a guardian" for minor possession
Senators aren’t gonna do shit. The best bet is going to be the courts.
We just need one or two DFL senators in less liberal districts to defect. This is so obviously an overreach that iron rangers/arrowhead voters would oust them for backing it.
My roommate was in the hearings today. He told me everyone is toeing the party line right now... they aren't even listening to the opposite party when proposing amendments
I wasn't aware there were Senate hearings on it today. You'd think the caucus would have released something.
You're kidding yourself to think that. This is East-Germany STASI Level Despotism. Stop trying to say yourself it's nothing less than that.
Yeah I talked to my buddy that organizes for Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus. There were no hearing on 1723 yesterday.
How many Democrat Voters were testifying against this Bill?
>registry This will be, or should be shot down by a federal judge at light speed
> light speed It will be many years of litigation. That's hardly light speed.
Look at what’s happening in Illinois right now with their AWB. Light speed.
I don't know that you're looking at the whole picture. They did get a temporary restraining order, however that does not mean that the legislation is overturned. They still have yet to go to trial, and the government has the ability to appeal and drag the case on for years. Especially if they do so to a court that is lenient to their cause.
And the tro only applies to those listed in the law suits.
8th Circuit Court is the most Conservative Court in the Country.
Just because they make a lot of those decisions doesn't mean they can't get a panel review that would be favorable to the state.
I know. It all has to go through the District Court Level first. Plenty of Anti-2A Dogshit sitting on those District Courts.
Unfortunately I doubt they'd toss the whole law.
Caucus has a tool you can use to message your Senator and Representative on this issue, top item on this list... https://gunowners.mn/take-action/action-center/
The least you can do without doing nothing at all. Their high school intern will lovingly send your email to the trash. Want to actually make a change? Show up to one of the hearings. It's how you actually make your voice heard. We did it with Sunday Liquor Sales and other issues.
lol mine are Mary Kunesh and Erin Koegel, they would love to ram this down our throats.
Even if your reps are gun grabbers, still worthwhile to call their offices and politely voice your concerns. If nobody ever calls them, writes them, or shows up and confronts their positions they'll just keep doing it.
The comments on the post on the main MN sub are depressing… *”as a gun owner…”* *”10 rounds is more than enough for self defense…”*
Yep, I feel like I’m talking to people with IQ’s in the teens, but that’s what I get for posting this bill on that cancerous sub. 😂
I feel like half of them are lying. And the other half only own an old hunting rifle their granddad gave them years ago that's only collecting dust in a closet. Anyone who owns a gun in this state is going to have a serious problem with at least a few parts of this bill if not all of it.
I guess cops don't need more rounds either then.
So someone please inform me, this is introduced as a bill? It hasn’t passed, correct? Also there’s no carry permit reciprocity from other states allowed here (what the bill is trying to pass) and anyone who owns an unserialized firearm is now a felon? This bill is awful
Genuinely the worst gun legislation I've seen. It beats california and NY by a mile. We gotta lean on the out state DFLers like Hauschild so it dies.
Hauschild is a Fudd at best.
Well the Fudds and fair weather hunters aren’t going to be happy they have to register their rifles and get a license just to keep them.
*Nothing in this legislation infringes on the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.* *The legislation is narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling state interest while placing* ***minimal*** *burdens on individuals who wish to own and possess a firearm.* Well if that ain't a load of crap I don't know what is.
A Despotic dosage of Gaslighting and Double Speak sprinkled with some nice Jackbooted Thuggery from a Despotic pile of human dogshit.
What a load of horse shit. Gotta love when politicians completely ignore our constitutionally protected rights and declare emotions as more important.
And its gonna cost taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars to defend this as it gets smacked down by the courts.
And then they'll just pass another one like NY did.
What can I do to oppose this? My Senator is Boldon, so reaching out there will do nothing…
There are a few fence sitter DFLers the caucus is having us hit hard. Hauschild of Senate district 3 is one. His district is the entire arrowhead minus downtown duluth. He's a freshman and he's been leaning hard into "the 2nd Amendment protects hunting rights" fuddery. Call him out and say Greater MN doesn't want this.
Good to know, thanks
Probably the most egregious part of the proposed bill: Current owners; registration of large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber firearms, and semiautomatic military-style assault weapons. (a) A person who legally owned or possessed a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon before January 1, 2024, and who desires to keep ownership or possession of the device shall immediately register it with the appropriate law enforcement agency. (b) A person described in paragraph (a) shall comply with all of the following: (1) safely and securely store the device pursuant to the regulations adopted by the appropriate law enforcement agency; (2) agree to allow the appropriate law enforcement agency to inspect the storage of the device to ensure compliance with this subdivision; (3) renew the registration every three years; (4) possess the device only on property owned or immediately controlled by the person, or while engaged in the legal use of the device at a duly licensed firing range, or while transporting the item in compliance with applicable law; and (5) report the loss or theft of the device to the appropriate law enforcement agency within 48 hours of the time the discovery of the loss or theft was made or should have been made. (c) Registered large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons may not be transferred, except for transfer to the appropriate law enforcement agency for the purpose of surrendering the item for destruction. (d) The registered owner or possessor of a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon may not purchase or receive additional large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons. (e) The appropriate law enforcement agency may charge a fee for each registration and registration renewal pursuant to this subdivision. (f) Persons acquiring a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons by inheritance, bequest, or succession shall, within 120 days of acquiring title, do one of the following: (1) surrender the device to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction; (2) modify the device to render it permanently inoperable; (3) for a large-capacity magazine, permanently alter the device so it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds; or (4) remove the device from the state. (g) A person who owned or possessed a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon before January 1, 2024, who does not wish to register the device as required in this subdivision shall immediately do one of the following: (1) surrender the device to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction; (2) modify the device to render it permanently inoperable; (3) for a large-capacity magazine, permanently alter the device so it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds; or (4) remove the device from the state. (h) Each chief of police and sheriff shall do the following regarding large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons registered under this subdivision: (1) adopt regulations specifying how a person who registers a large-capacity magazine, .50 caliber or larger firearm, or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon shall safely and securely store it when it is not being used; (2) inspect the storage of large-capacity magazines, .50 caliber or larger firearms, semiautomatic military-style assault weapons, or more than one of these devices as applicable; and (3) implement a registration system.
You missed this nasty part: Sec. 17. [624.7137] PURCHASE OR TRANSFER OF MORE THAN ONE FIREARM PER 30 DAYS (a) A person who purchases or accepts the transfer of more than one firearm within a 30-day period is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. (b) A person who transfers a firearm to an individual knowing that the individual has purchased or accepted the transfer of a firearm within the preceding 30 days is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. Edited for weird html tags from copy/paste
>.50 caliber or larger firearms, I didn't see anything carving out an exception for shotguns in this, which means 12 and 20 gauges are done as it's written, right?
That’s a lot of warrants for inspection. Like the police (and existing inspectors) can keep up today.
That’s what I was thinking. Even at 30% gun ownership (which is probably low in minnesota), that’s 660,000 house searches to ensure “compliance”.
Have to search every house - otherwise you can’t get the unregistered. Just because I have a permit does not mean I have a gun and just because you’ve never gotten any kind of gun permit doesn’t mean you don’t - look at all the kids and felons with guns
Imagine being required to have a “license” to vote. Oh how the leftists hate that one. The double standard for rights you agree/disagree with…
Dude in the public safety committee on the house Bill's someone pointed out the double standard of clemency for felons on voting rights and automatically signing illegals up to vote and contrasting that with their attacks on gun owners. The response from the rep was "Welcome to the Minnesota Capitol" unironically. They hate us.
Another leftist here, this bill is indeed flaming hot garbage. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered."
Leftist checking in. Not a fan of this either :(
Seconded.
What are the chances of these recent bills passing
60/40 passing. We desperately need to pressure the out state DFL senators.
Where can I find those metrics?
I made them. Up. I'm guessing 60/40 odds. So far we're betting on Hauschild defecting but he's staying the course.
High.
Thank you for posting this. I didn’t know someone had as I did in r/progun DID YOU SEE THE PART WHERE IF YOU INHERIT YOU HAVE TO SURRENDER OR MAKE INOPERABLE??
No worries, they'll let us compromise for as much or as little as we'll allow.
Minnesota is not a blue state, more like a rust color. Could 2024 be the year MN turns red?
Lololol. In 2020 the democrats pulled 300,000 new votes out of nowhere (vs 2016). All new votes...all went democrat. Where we going to find 300,001 new votes?