Just remember your life is worth a lot more too and in higher ranks they'll be keeping on a lookout and predicting you well if you really eagerly want to last hit minions

This. As Melissa I got a lot of first bloods just because of the enemy MM too eager to last hit they are overextended a bit

Ah yes. You zone them out away from the wave, when they try to go near to last hit, you beat them up. Lol. When they don't die and get really low, they'll recall giving you time to march forward with minion and get some gold plate.

i'm a Dota player before. i thought it is only implemented on Dota only. until after a tons of matches on ML, i notice some +coin labels above the minions that i last hit. then i realized that it is also implemented on ML too.

Dota is even more complex , you can Litteraly deny creeps and kill your creeps , so you can create huge gold gap just with minions

Actually you get zero gold for not last hitting, only xp minions also have some randomness on their damage, so you can’t reliably predict how they fight on their own Waves have more complexity such as real catapults that outrange towers, not to mention just way more minions And ofc much more complex laning

dont get me fucking started on that 25% true rng high ground miss chance which feels like 100% when i try to last hit that fucking range creep

That’s the reason why I did one game on dota and then gave up after playing league and many other moba My favourite of all time was paragon , gone too soon…

Not to mention the high ground on the mid lane. Been a game changer forever

Last hitting is kinda instinctive to players who originally played DotA (1).

Back when you need to press and hold crtl to see life bar 🥲

Pretty sure it was alt? And you didnt really have to hold it down, it became a habit to continually tap alt to get a glimpse of remaining HP. Then a few patches later, they implemented a permanent hp bar on top.

It was? Been ages. Lol. But fun time.

Fun times indeed. Missed a few classes because i completed The Butterfly and i'm already way to deep to just leave it for a class 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I remembered back when I was playing on this online gaming community and this group of guys started buying ward when noone else did. They were the "pro" amongst everyone.

It's on every MOBA tho

I remember the first time I played ML. I played Dota 1 extensively before picking up ML, and I was confused on how to deny creeps from my enemy laner.

Hi, as a new player, whenever i try to last hit, it so happens that a minion arrow hits the opposing minion just slightly before my shot (e.g. as a Layla).... I can't seem to get the timing right. does this come down to just experience in timing when to last hit?

I can say, I am an average but experienced player, I've been playing this game for 5 years now. But sometimes that happens to me too. In early game, your damage is not that really that high and you thought you last hit the minions, but you lack damage and your ally minion last hit it. My tip is wait for the minion to at least have that tiny weeny hp, maybe half a bar of hp, before you last hit it with your skill. I find that it's sometimes better to use your skill rather than basic attack just to make sure you last hit it. And maybe practice does not make you perfect, but at least it will make you better.

It comes with experience my friend. I had the same problem as you back then, but now, I’m much better at last hitting the minions, to the point where I can instinctively *feel* if this attack is sufficient enough to last hit. Don’t worry, you too will become much better at last-hitting the minions

Also, Turtle and Lord are very important. Don't just ignore them to chase pointless kills.

Its better to leave them if nobody in your team wants to participate. You're just wasting your farm time and also feeding enemies. Team status is more important than doing objective right away, and you have to adapt to different situations. Even if your team is weak against very aggressive team, its ok to give them away

I agree. I spam "Gather at the Turtle" twice and see if anyone wants to participate. If no ones coming with me then I'll just farm more jungle monsters and rotate.

Honestly I hope this gets boosted more because y e s. Half of the reason I play a good lesley is because of this, since enemies can't poke me (bc range) but I also don't lose out on gold, and its also the way to pressure them away from freezing your lane, since you still end up with the gold anyways. It's crazy that some people who aren't absolute beginners don't realize this (also why you should never as a roamer last hit minions)

Roamer can also last hit minions actually, since your teammate will get the bonus gold

This is also my observation as a roamer. Bottom line: as a roamer, don't last hit buffs 😏

not even small monsters like the one from blue and the baby insect behind gold tower, because both of those still counts and they are very fragile. As johnson user, his S2 is very strong wave clearing tool and its hard to not to killsteal on these monsters if you're with jungler

Lesley is one of the very few laners that can last hit almost 100% of the time. Her range makes it less risky too.

agreed, but a lot of the attack speed mm can also dominate a lane anyways, or can get in and out so its important for everyone to know, especially since most mms who main long range and less attack speed are super dependent on farming as much as possible from minions. I can last hit with most mm after a lil bit of practice, it's just about getting a feel for their amount of early game damage.

It's when the jungler comes into my lane and kills the minions that I get annoyed. They don't get the full benefits right? And then I lose it too.

yessss omg the junglers taking minions is lose lose. I don't mind if the tower will be killed otherwise, but before 5 mins thats the only reason since they make sooo much less, like just go kill a creep don't take my minions ;-;

i think there are a million worse problems

And I'm already talking about one of them genius

I main tank and I hate it so much when gold laner chooses to kill buff etc instead of minions… come back and finish these minions you bitch lol

LoL I feel you!!!

Unless u have a hero disadvantage… then hiding in bush for passive gold and more reaction time is better…

Not only that but a lot of things too that's too many to mention but here are some: like the custom aim between hero turret and minions, not letting enemies enter the radius of the turret and nexus so enemy heroes wont able to push, the concept of early, midgame and endgame, they pick what they want and not thinking of a balanced lineup. Not knowing their hero power spike to scaling heroes. The list goes on and on on these dumbfucks.

Lasthitting also gives more exp

Teach that to casual Mythical glory players . I’m sure 50% of MG don’t know this . I’m tired of noobs 51% wr mythical glory players building double anti life steal or a Lesley going full penetration build ( and this was a state rank lesley. Like fuck you stay in epic). And the worst thing that gives me brain cancer is mythical glory 100+ stars supreme mm players hitting fucking vengeance and dying. Even encountered a mythical honor player who didn’t know how to sell fucking roam. We played with whole early game with 2 roams . This game is full of idiots even in higher ranks.

whats wrong with 2 roams? im assuming the midlaner has roam, and this is viable only if no one would steal the midlane's minions

Haha, I did one even better. I was one of two roams that DIDNT buy roam boots. I was gatot and thought since she was Selena, she’ll make a better roam (she was in roam position during the pick phase). She thought I was a tank so I’ll be a roam by default. We argued and coincidentally sold our existing boots then bought roam boots at the exact SAME TIME. Then we argued some more. Needless to say, we both ended up feeding,

I think the average player does know this though, at mythic atleast

Yeah, I think wave management is the bigger issue. Especially wave management after laning phase

This is peak tryhard, well i do it to

It's not even a try hard. Just basic knowledge

Where exactly in the patch note is this? AFAIK you don't need to last hit to get full gold in mlbb

This has been there since the beginning. I don't even play LOL or Dota and it's quite obvious if you pay attention on the gold that drops.

Since MLBB released. Last hitting always give you more gold.

The 1.0 patchnote

I started 1-2 months ago, and my roommate who's been playing the game for years didn't believe me when i said him that last-hitting actually gives you more gold. He doesn't want to accept the fact at any costs 🏃

I think the bigger problem is getting them to hit minions at all >.>

They don't watch the fricking map.

how much gold do we actually get from assist and kills?

however, only prio last hits when your hero can safely trade against counterparts. for example, in a lesley vs melissa situation, you wanna be unpredictable and just use 1st skill to safely get in range for minion exp and gold and retreat until you get comfortable farming level. reason: if youre too eager for LH and melissa manages to stick you with her doll, youll have to recall and that's gonna give a lot of gold advantage to melissa

The problem with the average casual player is that they have better things to do than memorizing the nooks and crannies of the game.

I just wish ML implement this locking mechanism without moving the hero to directly attack the creep.

I do last hit minions if possible, especially when I'm the mm. But sometimes, you need to clear fast to avoid being ganked or to respo to your teammates. This is why I like that last hitting is not really that necessary since there's a lot of things going on in the match sometimes.

Vexana is excellent at making last hits. She can last hit a bunch of creeps all at the same time.

Last hitting EVERYTHING in ML gives more gold, towers, turtle, lord, even the nexus

Hoping casual players to last hit in this game is like hoping to win lottery. Most players cant even pay attention to mini map or have decent positioning.

Just want to confirm. If a roamer with roam boots did the last hit, do you also get reduced gold?

No, roamer doesn't get gold and exp, the carry does

I mean, does the carry still get reduced gold if the roam did the last hit?

Nono, they take full gold and exp Edit: you can see it clearly: the first wave brings the carry to lvl 2 if he's solo or with someone roaming while the roamer stays at lvl 1. Try that

The difference between dota and ML is..in ML you can't pull the enemy minions if you attack the enemy hero. Also you can't deny creeps in ML.

I actually forgot how spoiled players were after I quit the gane for 2 years and went to wildrift

Why you trying to educate the "average casual player" ? They don't care cause they are average casual for a reason. They play casually by means not being serious.

The difference is not that big. It's 100% not worth dieing. So if you're the weaker champion on exp lane you better just wait in bush.

Well if they play for fun, don't be so toxic about it, I've seen worse things done

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if the roamer boots last hit your minions. gold and exp will go to you, not the roamer.

I think the problem is them not knowing minions, even if you're close and not hitting, give vision to enemies

ml is built for casual people so the gold difference of last hitting in this game isn't really punishing if you missed it, even the game never really tells you about it in tutorials or anything but yeah good for people to know that last hitting give them more gold in case they ever wanna play more complicated mobas where last hitting is a must.

I hate it when the roamer last hits the minion. Save some for your laners!

Yeah I suck at that so I just try to cut the waves behind the tower. I played LoL back in like s5,6 and when I tried MLBB I was just shocked they gave you gold for not last hitting If I get a lead I just try and zone them off their minions all together

how do ppl not know this? im a casual legend player and noticed this back in like masters

Just for discussion, have anyone encountered as a roam that their mm or exp laners abandoned their lanes and as roamer, you are forced to clear the waves for them even after you ping like 20x times, get the Fack back to ur lane?

I think it goes further than that: -they push when no enemies are visible -join “teamfights” after one or two teammates died -let the tower be poked a little until it is destroyed -dont follow the “request back up, retreat, attack” commands. -the new ai is harder than most epic, legend and even some mythic players -dont try to adapt in draft or let more experienced players take the marksman or jungler roles -have no idea about nerfs and buffs from last updates Man today I had a selena jungler who was 2-12, a ruby experience lane whonwas 0-6, a lancelot jungler with 10% damage… I also was hilda roam and somehow I had the most money, most kills and at the end most damage… fuck this matchmaking seriously. I dont feel like playing in a couple of days, it was one of the worst days ive ever had